#139 | Fred Again.. and Live Music Therapy

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Rishi will be sitting. They will be staring at each other. We've got. We've got nothing to talk about. So just know. Yeah, we basically both of us hate life and we wish we didn't exist right now. Yeah. Okay, so we're not going to make up some bullshit conversation for your benefit because we just don't have it in us.

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So no, because Tottenham lost and are all disappointed and we going to get relegated for the first time in our entire lives. Right. So has quite important effects mentally we're not going to give you some sort of trite bullshit conversation. We just can't. All right. So yeah, here's a jingle okay. And we'll fucking find that fucking jingle first.

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Wow. Adam Knight hazy like Band of Brothers playing tunes. He's quite midnight waves. Surfing free till daylight breaks. Rhythm hit us different ways. Love of music that we prayed with our tongues in cheek. Is how we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Promise right?

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Go. Yeah. All right. Hello and welcome to anonymous. It's episode 239. I'm Ricky. He's five two. Best mates. One main topic. We answer your life dilemmas and confessions in our feature. Something 90, you know. And everything remains anonymous. Always. So sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast. The people believe. Genuinely believe, right? That like why aren't more of these, you know, people that run these countries like Iran.

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And Putin and that. Yeah unlike Donald Trump they realize they're going to be dead.

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You're going to die. They're all dead. You're dying right. He's dying. It literally the end of their lives. I don't know about the what do you call them in Iran? I'm going to guess here the leaders. Iran is it? And I've apologized to anyone. I'm just. I'm digging into the depths of my. Not the depths, but the shallowness of my knowledge here.

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Okay. Is it the ayatollah? Yeah. No. Yeah. I think you're right. I think you're right. You know, you just saying that to support me. No, no, no. That is the. That is the name of the dude that, the Americans looked up. He was. He was their leader. Yeah, it was Ayatollah. Is it? Yeah, I'm sure it is.

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Yeah. If so. So they've killed him? Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's I Towler. Yes. Hey. Great. No no no, no, really. I'm saying, Oya, get in because Flav knew it. Not because he's dead, right? Well, shouldn't he be dead? Well, okay. What did I what? I didn't know, I didn't I, but I know what he did. Why why why are you checking yourself?

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Cheer his death? Yeah. No. To this day. Cheers. Death. Right now celebrating someone's death. I don't know why. It's reported that he killed 30,000 people for protesting against his government. It's like. Yes, it's like. It's like, you know, it's like Keir Starmer killing half the Spurs football stadium, which I would gladly be a part of. I was going to say, yeah, it doesn't sound too bad if I'm honest.

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As long as I'm in that number. Yes, I did that. I don't know if he did that. They said he did that. So it's like, oh, well, might as well bomb. I think you think that's bomb because it's like we know they've got like nuclear powers in that. Or they were close to having nuclear power or always close to having nuclear power.

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Well, we better bomb the shit out of Iraq. Weapons of mass destruction. Bomb shit out of it. I think because no one really believes in that anymore. They got to go. Let's say they killed loads of their own as well. Okay. I've also. I think they probably did. But this is what the this I the kind of the new age of, misinformation.

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And you, you can say whatever you want, whether it's true or not, as long as you say you've you chest and you've got a big enough platform. People believe it doesn't matter. Yeah. So the protests that you saying kill 30,000 people because they protested against him? I'd have no idea. I don't know if that's because my government are telling me feeding me that or I don't know if that actually happened, but but let's at face value.

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Let's take that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But then the other thing you just said is that they've got nuclear weapons or they are close to having them, they're always close to it. But I swear a couple of months back didn't the Americans go in and bomb their nuclear site like heavily on their site? Right. Like complete. Yeah. And and took it out.

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It wasn't that Lebanon. What was it? I know, so now I'm fairly certain it was Iran. So do they have near to nuclear weapons or don't they? See, this is the thing. I don't know why, but, like, you know, you know, they say like it. Like you're in a pub and someone was like, oh, I just kicked off over there, like, let's go in and kick him in.

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I'm like, yeah, right. It woke you up, flap. What did he do? Oh, I just said to me, I'm like, whoa, whoa whoa whoa, hang on. What did he say exactly? You know how I just, you know, he just did that? I just I'll go in and I'll kick his head in with you. But you got to tell me why.

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It doesn't feel like I know why at the moment, but when it was around, did you say I don't know? Oh, sorry. I thought you would totally. Oh, well, I got half a Google it, and I don't care. Yeah, see me right now. I don't care about any of it. It's it's hard at the moment. And, I mean, we might as well talk about it because I just feel like what?

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You know what I'm not talking about? We're in the dark. No, I know I'm not talking about, but the depths of despair. Why? I mean, we're both there. It's pretty hard to, people listening to this would be there as well, where most people in the depths of despair were in hell at the moment. I'm not the I've got to do a conversation about Tottenham.

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I'm not doing another one. I'm not in two in a day. Right. Okay. I've already done a five statements on my own record on my own for 20 minutes. Yeah, I didn't feel better after. I didn't feel better. If it was, I have done this is the worst I've ever felt. Okay. And we've got to talk about it at 3:00, so I don't.

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Yeah. Please. Okay. Yeah. Please. Okay. All right. Okay. Let let me, let me, let me switch the conversation. Right. Let me switch the conversation. Right. You guys, you've downloaded this or streamed it or whatever, and you thought that the topic was going to be accents from the British Isles and stereotypes, because that is what we were going to be talking about.

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Right. And for some reason, I had this brainwave about an hour ago, an hour and a half ago to say, Flav, I would like to talk about this subject. You said yes. Let's do it. So, we're going to do that. It is. So we actually did have an email in and we've had a few comments because as people know, Flav and I went to the Fred Again gig last Friday and people wanted us to talk about that gig because you're seeing lots of clips on internet and how good it was and stuff like that, I don't know.

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Yeah. You know what? Love is the de de de de de de de de de de de de pull me out and it, it it may I've been talking to everybody since then. Like now everyone's gone I can't, I can't get over it. I cannot get over it like it's in a week today a week today. Ricky. We were right now sitting in a pub in.

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Well no, we're on our way to sitting in a pub. Yeah, I've had a few jars before the excitement. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I've been the first ever Mandy.

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To do that the did it, it So. Yeah. So what I wanted to. But I'm exactly with you here, right? It's one week and I'm still looking at clips and smiling, feeling all the feels. So I thought, you know what? Why don't we flip today's pod? We're going to do that next week. The British Isles and accents and stereotypes.

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And we're not going to talk about, obviously Fred again is going to be the, you know, central to the topic. But what I wanted to speak about was the general overall experience of it. Now, you know, I don't want to assume with myself, but I will say, I'll speak on behalf of myself. That kind that, that genre of music.

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I'm not going to sit here and I'm not going to say, you remember that mix, how he did this? Do you remember when that dropped? I'm not going to, you know, the technical part of the music or anything like that. But what I will do is we'll go into what wanting to do is just speak about the, the, the experience of it.

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Okay. Now before if anyone doesn't know, Fred Again is a record producer, singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist and DJ. I was going to say DJ like, Kevin and Perry. But anyway, he we were this was part of his USB oh two tour, which was ten weeks, ten cities and ten release projects. The tour concept, was releasing a new track in each city.

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Stop. The initial oh, the original tour included and ran to late 2025, in Mexico City and was extended again to obviously the one that Flav and I went to, Ally Pally. And it was all about the guests that were included on these different ten days. The show is well featured, an immersive Boris Hackett installation, and the guests included underworld, Mike Skinner, Ezra Collective, Kano, Jamie that there's loads right.

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And I was kind of like, I've been sitting here collecting my thoughts over this riot for the last few days, and I'm still, still watching rails and rails and rails, having this really good feeling about it. Something I haven't really felt in a long time. I don't know if that makes sense for anyone, but as we were speaking just then about this war that was going on, about the, for me personally, you know, the, resurgence of reform, there is lots of just stuff that I, I find, jarring and doesn't really go with my beliefs and anything like that.

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And you kind of feel like lost, not lost in life, but the the, you know, the tragedy of everyday life. And then you get to experience something like this. It was unbelievable. And the what I first want to talk about is the kind of, the suspense, the, the, the mystery behind it. Now, at these gigs, no one really knew who was playing when they were playing or anything like that.

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And on the day of the gig, a poster would be put outside. Well, especially in the Alexandra Palace case, poster would be put outside the front on a set list of who was playing and who the guests were. A guess were, what? And then you would. And then obviously that's the first time anyone would see it.

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So you've got this ticket, you know, you're going to see Fred, but you don't know who is going to be there. The the suspense and surprise of who's going to be performing for out all his shows was palpable. It was incredible. Like, you know, you're going to see the eyes, but you don't know what you know, who's going to be supported and what's going to be on show and, and all of that stuff.

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So I just kind of, it was like leading up to it that built up. And I don't feel like I like, well, I feel like I haven't had some felt like that about a gig or a live event in a very long time. What about you? You go like, we we, Yeah. I mean, so we, we went through this process of how we got tickets, so this obviously was the hot ticket, wasn't it?

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It was difficult. Yeah. Was, people who listen to the last show will know that me and Ricky, we were talking about how, Tony's our new best friend, and, Tony is one half or. I don't know how you describe him. Maybe one third of what Freddy is when he. When they perform their live music. And if you look at footage, you'll see Tony and Fred again together, performing together on stage at, like, Coachella or Primavera or Glastonbury.

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So he's massively involved. And it just turns out that he happens to be a Spurs fan, at least for a long time. Unbeknownst to me at listening to the final podcast, until I mentioned that we were going to see Fred again. A pretty brave era a couple of years ago, and he was like, reached out and said, it'd be lovely to meet you.

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Let's go for a drink and I'll give you some backstage passes. And I was like, fuck you. That's incredible. Anyway, we saint since maintained, a friendship and, and obviously this came around. We tried to get tickets the normal way. They sold out instantly. And I was like, any chance you can help us? But obviously he's busy traveling around the world, so I didn't actually know I had tickets for the gig until about two weeks ago.

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100% guaranteed. So I was kind of hoping, but not I'd kind of like, not sort of expecting. And then he came through, as he always does. And he sorted this out a couple of tickets and then we will go and we're excited. But what was really good is I didn't know that he reached out to you, Rick, because he listens.

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Yeah. Another podcast. And he said something along the lines of what did he say? Rick? He he just said that, he's a fan. Lots and on. Yeah. He listens, on his, when he goes on his runs, feels like that. You are I in his ear all the time? I think he's, enjoys the pod.

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And then I, you know, I, I did the thing of under pressure, so, like, out on a ticket slot, and I want to do that d, you know. Oh, hell no no no no no no no. And I don't think I've ever done that. But this was, it was like I can't unmissable. If there's any way and that's it.

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And so so yeah the build up to this was incredible. And the fact that you and I were co in made even more exciting. And we only found out like three days before it up and that you got tickets. Yeah. Yeah exactly. And I got tickets. I met an amount of people that I was just so jealous so much.

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Why, why, why couldn't I come on the day my sister in law got four tickets and my brother Ryan didn't have a ticket, and in the end, he bought one off the internet for like, £3. And so the vast majority of us were there. Yeah. And I don't think he doesn't regret it. He doesn't regret it at all.

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And so I was super excited and and just couldn't, couldn't wait and have been fans of his a friend again for while since Actual Life one came out. And I remember being in the car driving along and at the time we've lost dance in was just massive. Yeah. Played everywhere. We've lost dancing and weirdly did it.

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Dee dee dee dee. Weirdly, for a long time I thought the Blessed Madonna. I use a DJ in a in her own right. I thought she sounded loads like Madonna. So when I first heard it, I just thought, oh, that's such a sample. Madonna's voice. And it weren't right. Just some, just not just some deejay of knows, you know, big DJ anyway.

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And I just love. And so I listen to the album and it was during lockdown and very strange time and it's just like it's just this lovely sort of ambient EDM music that. Yeah, the, the just just fit neatly into what we were all going through. And it's quite emotional. I listen back to it. I was listening so I couldn't listen to USB after for about 4 or 5 days after the gig because it just I wanted to be back there.

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I just I couldn't listen to it. Right. And then when and then recently they've added all the mixes from sorry to the songs that were played on the evening. So you can listen to a playlist of all of the songs. So even the ones I originally included in the ten is now all the ones that were played live and I just couldn't listen to it.

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I wanted to, but every time I heard it reminded me of being in that amazing room last Friday. Yeah, so I kind of wanted to protect myself a little bit. So I went back to listening to Actual Life. One a mouse getting really emotional in the car. I thought, I thought this was going to come because I always I've been.

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Yeah, but. Well, because I've been doing exactly the same. Exactly the same. And, just I don't know where it comes from. I don't know whether it's like you were saying about, lockdown. And then being kind of tied to those emotions from then, and then when you hear it now or, or and if it's a mix of on the night of how good it was and, just a lot of feelings then, but I just feel like that is, I don't know, it felt like something was has been missing and I kind of found it.

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I don't know if that makes sense. Well, on Friday, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. No I want to get into that. I want to because I've got loads of feelings about that as well. But just quickly, just because I couldn't listen to USB, it just went back to listen to this. And I was driving around and it took me back to the that 2020 year.

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Yeah. And it's just like I was back in, in that moment or is listening to this in the kitchen with my misses. And it was, you know, nearly six years ago now and how, what incredible piece of work. You know, all three of those albums are, but they're really kind of a time stamp of an era that was very strange anyway.

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And so to have all of that experience with those previous albums, and I haven't seen him before, I was so excited about about Friday, and it didn't disappoint. You know, he played from 6:00 to a quick what must have been quarter 11, half ten. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was suffering by the end I gotta say I was on my yeah I was creaking.

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Yeah I'd essentially been in one, one spot dancing nearly five hours. And because of the sort of pace of the show, you just don't stop. You don't get a moment to kind of breathe. You know? It was incredible. Yeah. No, no, I loved it. Yeah. It's, Mate, like what you what you were just saying, like, Oh, I think you said something to me the other day.

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It was. Did you say something to me over time or. I don't know, but it was like putting myself back there, and how I was feeling at that at that point was like, I don't want this to ever stop. No, I don't I don't want to go home. I don't want to I don't want to do anything.

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I don't want to face, reality. Reality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to really felt like you were in that room. And it was a break from everything. Yeah, and we're not. It might sound like. Oh, you guys are fucking overdoing it. It it felt it. Anyone who goes to a festival knows this is a break. You are having a break, but this is enclosed in a room.

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And you had this sort of like, net in art installation above this going up and down. And obviously we're under the influence of certain things as well, which helps. Yeah. But it was a break like for us it was a break from Tottenham, but it was also mean like Tottenham. But it was also a break from the, the you know, the rising tensions in the world and the horrible things that are going on.

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The minute we got in that room, everything disappeared for five hours. It disappeared. I don't just like people like Fred again and producers like Sammy Verges like blowing up at the moment. And Daft Punk, you know, who finished the show with Fred two one half of Daft Punk, which was insane. And I'm not not even like a massive Daft Punk.

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I appreciate them in that. I know their songs and know their hits and yeah, like it blew me away. That yeah, these people are invested, invested in making people happy. Yeah, you know, they get financially rewarded and so they should. But they that they're putting out positive energy. That's what dance music is. You can't do anything other than it can't do anything other than make you happy, make you move, release endorphins, release dopamine, connect with people.

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And people that choose to do this incredible for it. Again, all of them. You do it that they they. There was a bit when there was a bit when I got I can't remember who it was, but maybe someone from the Ezra Collective who were the best part of. Not in my opinion, no. Daft punk was wicked, but yeah, right.

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Yeah yeah yeah. The the he said, remember this feeling like this feeling that you're, you've all got inside you right now. Take this with you wherever you go. Yeah, yeah. It's so simple, so beautiful. And you know, cynics will go wherever it was pure. And they choose to do that. That's the life they've chosen to take. And you share that with them in this room.

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There were 5000, 6000 people in that room, maybe more. I don't know what the capacity is. And everyone fucking loved each other for five hours. It was it. I just oh, I can't wait to do it again. I remember, Fred saying something like, welcome to church or something like that. Yeah. And at that moment I was like, looking up and then seeing that the, the art installation or like, almost like the cloth was breathing in and out, like looking up and looking across to everyone else.

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And I was just thinking, it does feel like I'm at church and I'm having a kind of, this, euphoric feeling and I guess kind of like a what you were saying about, people that were whatever they had in life leaving at the door. And they were going in, and it was just about music being with each other, having a good time that time.

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And I felt like I kind of, I felt like I climbed out of my phone, if that makes sense. I am, you know, like the next guy, like the next girl. I'm just scrolling endlessly on Instagram, TikTok, whatever it might be. And you just seeing bad news, people fight in all this other stuff. And to go to something like that, where I am removed from that for like five hours and dancing and drinking it for now, it's, it was just such an experience now.

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Like, that's the kind of, thing that I was saying earlier. When we were chatting that I've been to, like, loads of gigs this year. What? Not. Sorry, not this year. Last year. And for that, and I am a band guy, I go to loads of gigs, whether it's at stadiums or smaller venues and stuff.

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And I've gone to see my favorite bands, and I've loved every minute of it, but I never felt like that, if that makes sense. But I never felt that, like, when I go at the it's always like, I don't know, let's just say Oasis. For example, Oasis are my most favorite band of all time. Everyone knows it.

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Been saying fuck knows how many times, but when you're there, and you know, there's a lot of people in casual clobber, you know, like Stone Island, get up my energy. And then. Yeah, there is I don't want to be a apart and it's fine. It's fine. No, I want to see a white oasis. But isn't that, what I felt on Friday?

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Yeah. I mean, there's a couple of things like, you know, always is. Is you better than anybody knows what it is? It's like the football crowd is. There's lots of gear, you know, there's lots of that type of energy sort of lads. I've been I've seen lasers play maybe 5 or 6 times and there's always something going on.

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You've got to kind of be a little bit wary. I know. Apparently the this tour was a lot more lovely and everyone was just buzzing off the fact that they were together again. Yeah, yeah. But there was but back in the day, that's what Oasis was, wasn't it? Yeah. Whereas this is what it was. It wasn't just that, though.

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I mean, electronic dance music attracts a certain type of people, and it's associated with, let's be honest, it's associated with ease and and pills and and and the a million other things. Yeah. Which bring out a certain type of energy in in itself. But this is the second time I would say the second time I've done a gig similar nothing would compare, I don't think, to what Fred again produced and what the guys produced there.

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It was something incredible. It wasn't just the the music, the songs that it made. It was the way it intertwined with each other. It was the guest that came on stage. It was the way they built a stage around the deck so that people can get up on top of it. Yeah, it was the art installation that moved constantly with the room.

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Yeah. It was sort of dipping into songs that, you know, and then other stuff that you might be less familiar with. Strange bits and pieces felt like you were part of an experience rather than just a gig. Yes, yes, yes. So which is in part due to the genius of the guys that put it together like that.

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You're this could be creativity behind it. Like most of you like the bands that we've seen, you know, you go and you listen to them play their songs and then you go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. If they're quite good, they might do a little bit of crowd work, but some of them might even do that. This was completely different and I guess dance music lends itself to that a little bit easier.

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Like I went, Solomon, I've mentioned this before to Solomon at the Royal Naval College. In the summer last year, and that that was probably one of the best gigs I've been to before for it again. Yeah. And that was because of that. The set in the. Oh really? Well, it was, it was that like so the Royal Naval College is a really old, classic buildings in London, which is a genuine college and university where people have studied.

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I'm not sure if they do any more. Yeah. It's like a massive courtyard. And if you look to your right or left, you just see these buildings that have stood for hundreds of years. And in this courtyard at the end is a stage where the deejay is and his guests are, I don't know, the back of that is the tens.

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And I think you can even see the, the Millennium Dome, the, the, the O2, and the sunsets as you can dance music and you're in this amazing setting. It all adds up to this kind of free experience, which is very different from, you know, the boogaloo type of all the way. Right? Yeah. It's time to fast. It's different.

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Yeah. I mean, like 70 kind of £70 for five hours. If you got tickets, it's nice. It's like it's a lot for someone to pay for one gig. But it weren't just one gig, was it? It was five gigs. Yeah, yeah. Exactly that. That's the thing. And I think the, the nature of the, of the gigs as well, the crossovers in, in guests that were there that maybe weren't particular to, that type of music and the way that it was like genres and cultures and everything like this huge crossovers and bending of music that, I don't know, it just felt.

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So what's the word I'm looking for? Like, community, you know, a, it was just, I don't know, very, very welcoming, very diverse, very. It was just the energy was completely different to what I'd ever witnessed or been through. And like you were saying about, Oasis and where bands come on and stuff, like, it made me not made me think, oh, like I've just paid.

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Say what? You know, I paid 110 pounds or maybe 130 pound for Oasis or whatever. Mega excited. Sorry. I keep using them as an example because it's just easiest, but, you know, and then they, they, you know, there's some big screens, big graphics playing. They come out and they play the, you know, the 16 songs or whatever that, you know, they're going to play.

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And then they walk off and we've all had a good time. Right. But like you were saying, it was, and when you there and even though I knew kind of like I had a quick scan of who was going to be, playing on that day when you're when you're actually there, you don't fucking remember who exactly is coming on when and all that lot.

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So the surprise element of, you don't know who's going to be coming out and like, Kaino or whoever, it's just like you're so stunned. Of what? Like you just don't know what is going on in front of you at that moment. That surprise element is just like, wow, this is actually happening. And I am actually here. Yeah.

00:31:23:22 – 00:31:47:02
And the money that you spend on these gigs, like one of my most favorite gigs ever. I know that people laugh at this. That's fine. But my, my favorite gigs ever was seeing Coldplay at Wembley and that for the spectacle, the the kind of, the glow, you know, the bands that you get and they all glow up and spell different words and do different things.

00:31:47:02 – 00:32:11:16
And it's very it's kind of, the most interactive type band gig that you're going to go to. And I found it amazing. But having gone to this like it, it feels like it's there's two things I either it's going to like, set a precedent for what I want to go and see in the future and be like, oh yeah, is this it?

00:32:11:18 – 00:32:43:08
Or it's like, why are, people not being as innovative as Fred or as, like in that kind of. Yeah. I mean, that's sort of I don't want to overdo it. But, you know, he's as creative as anybody else in the scene. It takes someone to be able to create in order to, experience. Isn't it? So, like.

00:32:43:10 – 00:33:00:01
The, the there'll be other people that have done other things in other genres of music, like people talk about like the Lady Gaga and Kylie Minogue things and the yeah, the hat tricks that go into putting their shows on. It's more than just so it's not. Yeah, yeah, it's something else. It's it was right in our wheelhouse.

00:33:00:01 – 00:33:28:19
Ricky. Yeah, yeah. But it's a whole other deejays up to that standard or other musicians up to that sound. Probably unfair. Yeah. Oh yeah. And it's and you know, fucking done so well financially as well. I can't afford to do this. He can afford to get these, get paid and probably appropriately, he's 32 years old. So, you know, it's he's ambitious and it's a god.

00:33:28:19 – 00:33:33:11
I am.

00:33:33:13 – 00:33:55:23
I mean it's a sheer. Yeah. You know, I was I got really frustrated after a couple of days, you know, my Instagram was just I couldn't my algorithm was so hijacked by Fred again that I didn't get anything else other than Fred. Again, stuff for about 15. Instagram.

00:33:56:00 – 00:34:19:02
But but then there's people making comments about anything that's really popular. Attract criticism. Yeah okay. But but I was like there was a guy saying and this is just one that sort of stuck with me. But he was like saying, you know, I know everyone loves Fred again, but, how many how many black people were there? And I'm like, what?

00:34:19:04 – 00:34:34:14
What does that what do you why are you asking that question? What does it matter? That's an insane thing to say. Well, and the thing is, he just left it there. Let it drop to my. Yeah or something. Yeah. And sort of like, let me throw his hand grenade in and then walk away. I'm not going to contribute.

00:34:34:14 – 00:34:55:11
I'm not going to say what I mean or where I'm coming from. This question, how many black people were there? And I'm like, dude, we were there. No one was looking at each other. No. No one was thinking, who are you? Why are you here? There was a room full of positive energy. Yeah, I would tell you about half.

00:34:55:11 – 00:35:16:11
Half the people that came on stage were black. There's. There's that. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. Didn't matter. Everyone fucking loved each other in the room. Yeah. And that is, that is one motive coming from and that's what. Sorry Rick is, is that's what you escaped all the bullshit in there own social media bullshit. Everything that make it was an escape from all of that.

00:35:16:11 – 00:35:30:14
No one was scrolling on their phones. The only time they had their phones out was to record something. Yeah, that was it. You don't even look at your phone for a second up and check the time. There was this moment was I was fucked up, basically. And I said my brother was like, you know what time it is?

00:35:30:14 – 00:36:04:18
I was that spits himself 11. He went caught to eight. 000. My so fucked is Causeway. I thought that was a really cool thing. What they did is, well, when you were going in and the, they were giving you a sticker to put on the camera of your mobile. And obviously people film, you know, I took a couple of clips as well because it's like, you want memories of being there and you, you kind of can't believe what's going on that you want to capture it.

00:36:04:20 – 00:36:34:23
But apart from that, I just didn't look at my phone at all, and just fully, immerse myself in it, but it's. I thought it was really nice, touch to it. It's like a reminder of you're there for the gig, you're there for the experience. You there for, the music. Whatever it is. And, like, not be stood there scrolling Instagram or whatever it might be.

00:36:35:00 – 00:36:55:17
So I thought that was really cool. And obviously people did take their phone out to, to, to film and stuff like that, as I did. But, and I just felt it's like, you know, when you go to gigs or wherever you are and you're out and someone's fucked up, someone's really drunk, or someone's been sick or someone's, you know, whatever.

00:36:55:17 – 00:37:18:08
It's that kind of that. That really kind of folks in say, remember, you were like, what? You're filming. Yeah. Remember. Remember that you're alive yet. And remember that, like getting your video out and filming someone fucking having a bad trip or just doing this or doing that, like, be human about it. Yeah. But I, I thought it was like it was like this.

00:37:18:08 – 00:37:38:07
The sticker over the phone was actually saying, experience this, like, experience it for your screen, actually experience it. That's what it is. He knew that people were going to the obviously everyone. Everyone does some things you actually like forcibly removed. If you're filming. So he knows that. But it's it's like it was it's not to say, remember you're here.

00:37:38:07 – 00:38:16:15
Remember what this is about. And you don't need your phone to to to experiences. And that's what I hope it was. Is a nice touch. Yeah. And, I wanted to mention as well that, obviously these gigs were, you know, the, you know, ten, the initial tour was like ten places, ten cities. But he is he is known for doing these kind of guerrilla type gigs where I've just, like pop up gigs where it'll be like, oh, I'm in Berlin playing here tonight, or tomorrow night or whatever, and everyone's kind of like trying to get tickets and stuff.

00:38:16:17 – 00:38:39:24
And it's that surprise element and, oh, it just reminds me of, like, back in the day when I was head over heels in love with the Libertines and Docker. He used to be like, get a message out on the internet somehow, or just a message out and be like, I'm playing, Camden. Or he'll be like, I'm playing in someone's flat at 2:00 tomorrow.

00:38:40:01 – 00:39:10:14
Yeah, I love that. People would go along to it and stuff that building of that. What's the word I'm looking for? Fuck's sake. It's annoying when you when you would do a podcast and you need a word, you can't remember what it is a scarcity of, trying to look for tickets or going to gigs or to a football match or whatever, but, yeah, it was, it was amazing.

00:39:10:16 – 00:39:39:22
Yeah. It was call it the. I just want to say about the, the art installation as well, like, it just felt when you're in there that you were in, like, it felt like you were in a womb, that you were safe, that you like. It was a it was a nice place to be. And I kind of like in, I don't know, but like way I, I don't know if I just feel self-conscious when I'm going to, when I'm outside or gigs or anything like that.

00:39:39:24 – 00:40:08:08
And then I just felt, it was all part of this immersive experience of being there. And, it was just, I don't know, it's hard to put into two words really about it, but it was, glass. Yeah, it was absolutely class. Do you have anything else that you want to, say or shall I just, bounce?

00:40:08:10 – 00:40:35:10
There was a bit where I, I took I basically took two, two tap to TSB, two KB, which is too much. And it's, it's it's, you know, don't do any drugs, but, you know, I quite like them, so I do sometimes, the and it was a bit too much for the situation. And there was a bit where I couldn't tell who was around me because.

00:40:35:10 – 00:40:54:18
Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a hallucinogenic as well as a stimulant. And I was like, fuck, where is it? Where I've lost and I've lost everybody. And the strobe lights were really far from you all right. Okay. So I don't know where I go, I don't know where I am everywhere and and every now and then I turn around.

00:40:54:18 – 00:41:13:19
And my wife was just there, who was like my wife. But I go back to reality, and I find my wife and I find everyone I know. Oh, no, I'm not alone. Night. Night. I've literally just stepped one step away from everyone, and I thought I was gone. Oh, God. I've been lost. So I've lost at sea.

00:41:13:24 – 00:41:35:13
But I know where I am. I know what time this is lovely, but I don't know where my mates are. My wife is. Anyway, that was, That was an experience. One thing I, well, I actually, I do want to say about the. Because before we went, we had just seen the, Mike skin, born Slippy.

00:41:35:16 – 00:42:05:13
Yeah. We collab that I was at the previous Fred gig, and having seen that, and it was really like this seminal moment, and I was like, fucking. I am crestfallen that I wasn't there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, Jesus Christ, that is amazing. And then like, obviously we went Daft Punk, know, it was amazing as a collective.

00:42:05:13 – 00:42:27:12
Fred. Yeah, it's a tough. Yeah. Sorry. I dunno what you said. Yeah. So it was, I felt like I kind of got my, my, not my own back, but, had my, had my moment. Yeah. One thing. What would you prefer, though? Your third fright. Fright might is to Mike Skinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it didn't really matter, though, because at that moment, it was.

00:42:27:12 – 00:42:35:11
It was absolutely insane. It was just so good being there. And,

00:42:35:13 – 00:42:58:08
One thing I will say is if I ever do that again, I'm going to get a hotel in London, because getting a train back to Milton Keynes from Alexandra Palace and making sure that I get the last train back from Euston to Milton Keynes was fucking horrible. Why do you do this? So, I mean, like, if you have to, I know.

00:42:58:08 – 00:43:33:06
Is it an expense because you commit to it? I mean, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. It's like, you know, if that was me I'd be like, this is great, but I've got to find a way about some milk. Keynes, after I release. So this is like some worst robbery on the streets. Yeah. In your mind, right. When you're doing these things, it's kind of like I go to London regularly, literally every single week, and it's a 40 minute train or 50 minute train, depending on what one I get from Wolverton, where I live straight into Euston.

00:43:33:06 – 00:43:50:01
And then I get on the underground and then, you know, seven sisters in 15 minutes of that. So it's all very straightforward. So in your mind, do you think that's what it's going to be like when you go home? You just go, you know, get out from the gig, get to Finsbury Park and get the underground's back to Euston, and then Bob's your uncle.

00:43:50:01 – 00:44:10:20
You fucking back at home. How was this? Never, nice. Oh it's horrendous. We got we we got outside. I think we've got a be free to, bus to wood, grain, and just sat on that for ages. And then we got the underground from wood grain to, God, it's wood grain. Piccadilly line. I can't remember.

00:44:10:20 – 00:44:28:13
Yeah, I think it must be. Yeah. And then, changed over somewhere and then got back to Euston. Well, hang on that you couldn't get. You couldn't go back to Finsbury Park? Why? No, it was just as soon as we got out, we saw a bus and people get in on it, and we were just like, we just need to get out of this.

00:44:28:18 – 00:44:47:10
What are you going to be free to again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So the other way for it to Finsbury Park, because it's just like there's so many people is so like, fucked from that gig. You exhausted. You just need to sit down and collect your food and get on and get out of there. So that's what we did.

00:44:47:10 – 00:45:08:06
It went to wood grain and then got the underground and. Yeah. And then, back to Euston and then, oh, may I, I think I've got, I'm about 1:30. So you've got the last one. Yeah. Got the last train. But when I got home it was like, I, I'm so fucking glad that I'm actually just here. Yeah. In my bed.

00:45:08:06 – 00:45:26:09
And it's nice and I don't have to go anywhere next morning as well. Like for normally my fucking hangover, you know, palpable. But I was, I got away very, very lightly in comparison to what I normally do. I felt admirable. Oh, really? For about three days.

00:45:26:11 – 00:45:57:04
I didn't get away with it. My way. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You only live once in a fuck. Yeah. What I'm going to say before I get into it, we've got, I sent a voice note over to you, for a dilemma. Obviously we we are going to do dilemma. And the dilemma is called setting sail or dropping the corporate anchor and something that, you know, is called sleep Well, Sweet Prince.

00:45:57:06 – 00:46:22:19
The topic for next week, as you already know, is going to be accents and stereotypes from around the British Isles Cockneys, Geordie Scousers, Northern Ireland, Highland Scots, Glaswegians. They're going to talk about all of them. The ones we like, the ones we don't like, the different stereotypes. If you've got anything that you want to send in to us, send it into lads anon port at gmail.com and we will read them out.

00:46:22:24 – 00:46:53:20
If you've got any suggestions for topics, send them over to We are always welcoming on different topics that you want to discuss. Send it in, we'll talk about it. We are now going to go into dilemma.

00:46:53:22 – 00:47:21:11
Oh. So, just you got an issue for a tissue? You a bit sad, and I will teach you a can in your soul, alone in your flat. Please talk to Vicky Flanagan. Let that stress off your chest. Well, friends, you deserve this place like you're safe to get. Nice warm between break you and. All right, lads, just a bit of context.

00:47:21:11 – 00:47:46:10
In 22. I've been to school, went to uni, got a degree, and I'm currently sat on a graduate job on a masters funded by my company. On paper, I'm two and everything, right? If you describe my situation to most people's parents, I tell you, don't you dare mess this up. And here's the problem. Just as the Smiths predicted, it is fucking miserable, lads.

00:47:46:12 – 00:48:13:18
I wake up in the dark, commute in the cold, sit in front of a screen all day pretending I have passion for the emails I'm getting through. So anyway, here's my dilemma. One of my best mates has started training as a deckhand, and if you don't know what that is, that's working as a crew. On superyachts, this means waking up to the sun on the water, working outdoors, driving jet skis, driving tenders, sailing through the Mediterranean and then the Caribbean and the winters.

00:48:13:20 – 00:48:35:17
No more commute in my hope. British gray sky depression. You work hard, but instead your backdrop is going to be Monaco instead of Milton Keynes. Sorry, Rick. Anyway, here's the real harsh caveat to all of this. This means walking away from a job that most people will have to work incredibly hard for long term corporate rule and progression.

00:48:35:19 – 00:49:03:18
A master's degree paid for as part of my job. Predictable and very healthy salary growth. By the time I'm 30. Leaving this wouldn't just be quitting the job, it'd be stepping off a very stable escalator and in yacht in there is no grand scheme, no guarantee placement. I'm going to have to fly out to Palma or Antibes, print CV, wander round docks and pray to God someone hires me before my savings start to disappear.

00:49:03:20 – 00:49:31:21
So that's am I an idiot for even considering walking away from safe since boring? The font size is going to be better, but may eventually not like. Or I'm a more of an idiot if I don't test the one life that actually excites me because you only get one go at this thing now. Anyway. Cheers boys. Love the pod and come on you spurs!

00:49:31:23 – 00:50:01:12
Oh God is tough. I mean, the obvious answer is fuck it, just do it. You only live once. Another answer is suck this up. Put the work in, get to 30, then do it. Although by then you might have met a woman, started a family, and then you could never do it. I'm surprised if your answer. But,

00:50:01:14 – 00:50:14:24
Well, I thought, like, I thought you would have heard that. I'm just going straight like fucking do. You only live once? Going to die? Just don't do it. I mean. Oh, yeah, but it's so easy for me to say. Yeah, I know, I mean, that's what I'm saying. The easy answer is just go. Yeah, go and do it.

00:50:15:01 – 00:50:37:18
Yeah, but how healthy is this salary? How is it? How is it? How can you use your obvious intellect to set this up? Set you up? Yeah. For future. I don't know what the job is. Is it a bar? Is it. Is it law? Is it accountancy? Yeah. I don't know what it is. So, what is the fallout of you doing this?

00:50:37:20 – 00:51:03:13
Your parents? How angry are your parents going to be? Tough in it. It is. I understand these difficulties, Louise feeling, but the answer is you do only live once. You. Yeah, you can, you can. You know, you walk across a road slip and get hit by a truck tomorrow. Yeah. This is only one one way, one way around.

00:51:03:15 – 00:51:28:18
And you're you're clearly miserable. And do you think at any point in the future you're going to not be miserable doing this job, doing the commute? If the answer's no, eventually you have to engineer a way to do what you want to do. You know, no one else can lead your life. You got your own. I mean, my gut feeling would be just to just go and do it, all right?

00:51:28:18 – 00:51:46:24
You fucked it up. But you know what? You're not going. They're not going to get a job. You're clearly intelligent. There's a reason why you're on this scheme. It's because of what you got going on inside your head. It's a great opportunity. What? You can't carve out opportunities for yourself in the future. You're drawn to this idea of being a deckhand on the Mediterranean in the Caribbean.

00:51:47:00 – 00:52:02:02
Why? Because it sounds fucking nice. Yeah, same. Sounds like the best. Yeah. Sounds like an incredible life for a bit.

00:52:02:04 – 00:52:30:13
I am, try and follow your dreams, man. Do what you want to do. Yeah. I so I've got. I could probably count on. Well, I'll just say I've got a fair few mates. Quite a few. Right where they, they've they've been doing their jobs for years. Very experienced certifications. University degree. All this stuff that backs up what they do.

00:52:30:15 – 00:53:06:16
They live in lovely houses, nice cars, and they are miserable. They if they, if you ask them, would they want to restart their career again? They would say, yes, there is no way. You know, they've been told by either by parents or, you know, society has said this is going to earn you a lot of money. You're going to be in a, you're going to be stable, you're going to be able to pay your mortgage until, you, you know, 60 or whatever it is.

00:53:06:18 – 00:53:26:12
But they're miserable and they don't want to do that. So it's kind of like, yeah, sure, you can do this job and you can, as you were saying, that it will pay for your house and, you know, your marriage and kids and support your lifestyle on that. But.

00:53:26:14 – 00:53:54:09
You don't want to be miserable going through life, man, or full of regret or full of your young lads like the world is out to be risky. Yes, you can make, yeah, you can rebound. You got so much. Yeah, yeah. And how good is it? How good is this opportunity if it makes you miserable. But the opportunity is potentially earn really good money by your 38 years away.

00:53:54:11 – 00:54:08:17
Do you know what you can get done in eight years? Yes. You underestimate how much you can get done. For what it's worth, I had a different career. I started podcasting when I was 33.

00:54:08:19 – 00:54:29:22
And that was 11 years ago. Now we'll talk about how old am I now? And I was 30. 44. Say yeah, yeah, 30 years, 30 years old when I started doing podcasts. That's eight years old. What you are now. Yeah. How long is this course? If it's like 18 months, just finish the fucking course. If you missed what I was going to say, get the certification and then fuck off.

00:54:29:23 – 00:54:48:07
Yeah. When? When does your masters end? Is there some sort of commitment to the job you have because they're paid for your masters? If so, when is that? We need them for more more information, boy. But by and large, follow your dreams. You're intelligent. You'll find a way of making money in the future. There'll be other opportunities for you.

00:54:48:09 – 00:55:08:01
Do what makes you happy. And generally, as long as you're not hurting anybody, they always do. What makes you happy. Other people can't be happy for you. And it means nothing. My mum's really proud of me. How far does that go? That feeling of your mum being proud of you? Yeah. When you wake up in the fucking dark.

00:55:08:01 – 00:55:27:19
In the pissing rain in November. Yeah. Your mother's pride only goes for them. Yeah. No, I totally agree. Technically. Right. We are going to go on to something and you know.

00:55:27:21 – 00:56:08:22
Wow. Something ugly. You know. Sleep well, sweet prince. When I was 14, we had a house party, a guy from schools, house, free booze, chance of girls and an empty house. Yes, please. It was going fine until all the men who played football with us turned up. You know the type. The lads. He left school, but instead of getting jobs, hung around the park to play football with school kids and free for a picked up the fit girls in a year in in cars after school who were 18, would rather spend the night at a teenager's party than a pub.

00:56:09:02 – 00:56:38:23
You know cool guys. They turned up, with the fit girls from all. Yeah, that was your mind when I read that and heard that, it reminded me of, Arctic Monkeys. Yeah, they turned evil. All the lads turned evil. Pissing in the freezer. Put in his mum's dildo in a passed out kid's mouth. Things being broken mouthed, threats of violence and aftershave and CDs being nicked.

00:56:39:00 – 00:57:05:13
All of us are too scared to say anything. Think about Donovan and Jay's interaction from The Inbetweeners. I was I was making eyes. My is so fucking good. While going through the house, I found the porno mag and decided to calm myself down and have a wank in one of the empty rooms. 30s later I finished as one of the girls walked in.

00:57:05:15 – 00:57:30:24
I'd pulled my jeans up at this point, but now had come on my hand and a porno mag in front of me. Thankfully, she didn't notice the mag and she sat down and started talking while I was trying to wipe spunk on the pillow beside me. She was the girlfriend of one of the lads downstairs. Less than a minute later, my mate walked in to tell the girl her group was all leaving my something I need.

00:57:31:04 – 00:57:51:19
Only you know is that while my mate thinks I pulled that night and kept it on the down low to avoid getting my head kicked in the truth is, the only other person who got spunk on them that night was him, as that's the bed he crashed out in. He complained that night that the pillow was wet, stuck to him because someone had spilled a drink on it.

00:57:51:21 – 00:58:15:05
No, it was my spunk. And that is something only I know. That's fucking disgusting, right? I love the baby. I just know it was my spunk. You need to clarify. Yeah. We want that is. Yeah, I get it. The, the the bit of, like, he's at a house party, right? The football lad to turn up the alpha males.

00:58:15:05 – 00:58:36:10
They're still in there pissing in races, stealing CDs and aftershave, fucking my SLA. I'm a guy for a wank. That's the least thing from my mind that I would want to be doing at a house party. I was going to nip off a lads real wank court. I'm scared for my life. It's not finding a oh. Someone told me a story about them.

00:58:36:10 – 00:58:59:20
I mean, there was this house party, and he's gone up to his room and he's. Mate is fast asleep, cross legged, right cross legged, but gone backwards and fell asleep backwards, but still cross legged with his cock in his hand. And there's just this. Like a a sort of spread of porn mags in front of him on his bed.

00:58:59:22 – 00:59:32:16
Nice. Just fine. Like they've been found out. Not. What are you doing? A car trick and you say, oh, one of these is going to be turned upside down. You find the cards out for mags everywhere. I that's it for this week. Hope you enjoyed it. By the way, I know the patrons are going to be listening in the discord earlier this morning I messaged to say that the video put an audio ad free will be dropping Saturday because I thought we're going to be recording on Saturday, but it's actually today, Friday.

00:59:32:16 – 00:59:56:06
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00:59:56:08 – 00:59:59:18
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