#140 | Louis Theroux | Inside The Manosphere

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Go. What have you bought for Mother's Day? Nothing. Well, if you bum nothing I'm fucking really struggling and I, I kind of really your mum won't. My mum and mum misses like I kind of want to, I don't. What do you mean you're Mrs. Ross. It's not. She's not your mum. She's not my mum. But it's the girls mum.

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Yeah. The girls have arms, legs and you give them a £20 each night. They're fucking 12 and 14 and they don't like. They don't even try. I think they do. They do try. And that in their own way they'll get her a gift, but it'll probably be from the corner shop. Yeah. But. And she likes, I don't know, salt, vinegar, hula hoops.

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So she's got two packs of ice. Yeah. It's not but you can't you can't just. That's just not for Mother's Day, is it? You can't just be like, you know, the sacrifices you've made as a mother. We're going to celebrate you. You've been a mum. All right? So the husbands have to do this. Yeah, yeah, the husband should be.

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So you're celebrating the mum for being a mum? Not. Not for being your mum. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah, yeah. Not not for being mum. Although she will probably tell you that she does act like my mother. Like, I don't know, just looking after me and picking up stuff after me and shit like that. But I kind of, I mean, it's, I'm at this stage now, this really kind of, been my Mrs..

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26 years. No, my mother 43 years, funnily enough, and like, have all the birthday presents and the Mother's Day and the Christmas. I just don't know what to buy people anymore. I've got to this part in my life where I, I literally sit there and I think I have bought them everything that they've ever mentioned. Yeah, even things that are like half mentioned and for my Mrs..

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I could not buy her anything for Mother's Day. Right. She wouldn't give a fuck. Doesn't care just if we said mother happy Mother's Day. Here's a card. Here's some flowers. I'll do the roast dinner this Sunday. And all the trimmings and all that lot, and, you know, do all the washing, and, you know, I'll show everything, right?

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I should be very thankful for that. My mum. It's not like my mum is expecting the present. Right? Yeah, but she the that she, she, she probably is expecting a present, but it's the thought process of the present. Do you know what I mean. Now, I could spend a fiver, but if I've thought about it that there's this emotional connection between her and I, that's where her.

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That's where she'll. That's where she finds her pleasure. Right? Yeah. But Barakat then reckons just say I love you and then buy like a flowers that grow that she's like enough to chuck away in a pot, a little rosebush, something like that. Then every time she thinks to you and then you've done the thing. Yeah. That is, that's good.

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That was good at. So one out. Concentrate at the moment. Right. Because I've, I've, I don't know if you've noticed, there's a world, there's war going on. The world's going to be at war with each other, right? No one's going to care about Mothering Sunday. Won't be blown to bits. Okay. Yeah. Is that not finished yet? The war.

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Just getting so. Joe. Rick. All right. So have worked out how much it's going to cost to fill. I've got there's no central heating. There's no,

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Oh. What's it called? Rick. You don't have gas mains where I live. Right. So I have to fill up a tank with heating oil. A big tank in my garden, truck comes along, pours the oil in, so I think, is it what's it called? A. Oh, the nice. I can't remember the name of it, but it's a certain type of fuel.

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Crude oil. No, no, that's a crude oil. It's, it once was crude oil, but now it's kerosene. Something like that. Right. So at the beginning of the week, 500l is a, it's 1000 liter tank. 500l. Would it cost me £350? Okay. And that would last about three months, right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 500l. Now. Yeah. It's £850.

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Oh my good fucking load. In a week. It could be £1,600 right. I haven't got a choice. If I want to have heat in the house, that's what I have to pay. Hang on a second. Which house is this new road? New? Well, it would have been the same in the old. Yeah. So same thing. So you're in that you in the new house and you still have to have one of these oil tank.

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There's no there is no there's no infrastructure where we are. So there's no like so polish up with Wiltshire. What what are they like living. No. It's like medieval type place but you know, are still like they're in the fucking medieval times. No. When you know, when you're on the train and you look out and you see this house in the middle of the field, do you think I'd love to live there?

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Yeah. Do you think someone's plumbed all the way just for that house? A gas line? No, they're not on the grid. They exist off the grid. In that respect, there would be electricity like the easier to attach to the grid in that way. Yeah, they just have big tanks of gas, and then they draw that gas instead of drawing it off main grid.

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And you pay your fuel gas company, you have an account with an oil company, and they come with a big truck and drop you off loads of oil. That is fucking. Do you still have to, dig a hole in the garden with depots and then bury? Me when I was a kid, I had to do that, not dig a hole.

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But there was. They had a like a toilet. I used to hate it when we used to go away when I was a kid to, to lie on, say, I didn't hate going on. On it. Totally on. See, I hate having to have a poo in these in these toilets. Essentially, it was a shed. Yeah. No shit.

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And then in this toilet, it was a toilet would look normal, but bit bigger. And there was just loads of, I don't know, some liquid in there, bleach, something like that. And you just poo in there, but it would be empty, like once a week and there just be loads of floaters in. That was fucking disgusting. Got my.

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You're looking and see someone else's poos. You sat down. Oh. When I went to a readin that chemical toilet. It's like a chemical toner. That's what it was called. But it was like when I went to readin, I went up these stairs and all these, like, porta potties were just in a line. When you go in there, there's no, like, hole for it in.

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And then you you flush the toilet and then the poo. You guys, it was like you could see straight down and you could see, like, everyone else is like, there is no there's no connection. It's like they'd put a, what do you call it? One of those, secrets. What the fucking, you know, for, export crates that go on a cruise ship.

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It's like one of those was just underneath, but it's just full of shit. And I was like, this is fucking. This is horrible. I could see so many other people's page. It was like. It's like, like a big, thick I fell down. Yeah, yeah, just go straight down. It. I could see piles of poo. I got different colors, shades and, textures on.

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This is crazy. You know, I'm, I would, I will never, ever in my life ever go to a festival and camp. Never. That never gonna happen for me. Yeah, I've done it once. A festival, I'm never doing it again. There is no chance I'm got a hotel. The tent is, Yeah, we did have tents at, Best of all, not best of all.

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Boomtown, which a particularly grotty little festival, to be honest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, full of, like, you know what you call them? Crust. The variance. I always thought it was a bit, like, very druggy. Yeah. Very catty. What's what's the word that, the young and the Nikki's. Are they like drugs? Nikki, these are like.

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These are like, you know, sky kids that you find on the street. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought it was a bit kind of like like, No, no, no, it's a normal. It's just like, you've got to pay, like, hundreds of pounds to get in. It's not like, you know, walk in and there's just loads of people, but there is a lot of drugs.

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Yeah. Oh crikey. Quite. Yeah. Heroin is quite strung out like, nah, nah, like of how you drop in load money to get. It's not just for like it's gonna cost you a grand at least. So you're not going to need a. Yeah. Tree. Hang on a second. You went. So I'm just, things are just falling into place now.

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You told a story about when you went to Boomtown and it was on fire. But you there with your wife. So did you go camping with your wife? We did. Yeah, for three days. But we don't quite active on the TV. We, Oh, God, I take that. We. When? The day before. Because Alex was performing. So we got access on the Friday before anyone got there.

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Oh, yeah. So we just. We were like the first tent there. Pretty much. It was pretty cool. Shit. And then all the people, the scum turned up, and then it all got a bit too much. Yeah. Yeah. So. But like the best thing about, like, Primavera and then Portugal is you go there and at the end, everyone leaves and goes home, goes to their home.

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It's in the middle of the city. It's in a park in the city. We like, fuck. Right, right, right. Our apartment was like a five minute walk from the festival. It's just brilliant. Oh, my God, that is a dream. Yeah, it was a dream. None of this fucking three days in the tent malarkey. Nuh. No, no.

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Like Glastonbury, I don't know if I could, I could I, I'm in the posh, the posh glamping. I said yeah I'm at an age now where like I have to have a bed, like a hotel. I can't do like tent for three days eating fucking. Last year my brothers were my brothers. They went in for one day and night and they sneaked in some geezer, they paid some geezer, get them in.

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Psychiatrist in gray. Yeah. Ross. So, Adam, it took him hours to get in. I don't got in straight. No, if I don't know why, I've got straight got in straight away. Fats. Yeah. I've had to keep trying because the the people were looking at checking the idea. I said no, it was, I was, I couldn't do that.

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Nine. And they didn't even know where they were sleeping. They ended up sleeping in someone else's tent. I think someone let them in anyway. Mate, that is amazing fucking now, right? Should we, we crack on, boy. Yeah.

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The night hazy like Band of Brothers playing tunes. He is quite midnight. Waves surfing through till daylight breaks. Rhythm of different ways. Love of music that we played with our tongues in cheek. Band is how we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Promise. Hello and welcome to Lads Anonymous. It's episode 140.

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I'm Ricky, he Slav, two best mates. One main topic. We answer your life dilemmas and confessions and I feel something only you know. And everything remains anonymous. So sit back, relax and enjoy the pot. I haven't even asked how you are. I'm right. That's good. Thinking about all the shit that's going on in the world. And I'm like.

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I'm in an enviable position where I can just pop from, you know, heat. My house is now twice as expensive as it was a week ago. Largely I'm unaffected by it. And I think it would be foolish for me to, let this get me down too much. So. Well, have you been properly, like, deep in it, like just getting, like, down rabbit holes and all that?

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A lot? It's, what I will say is it ain't been, you know, I wish I didn't make it a joke, but, I mean, just saying it's the one idea. Obviously it's not, but, it has affected my family. And I quite a lot. My brother in law is in the RAF, and he's. Well, he was deployed in Qatar.

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But he's since moved, obviously, because everything kicked off. We're expecting him back. Soon, within a couple of weeks, but I think it's a bit, touch and go. I mean, he's pacing back in, as in, like, the only overpayment will finish. Yeah. No, no, no, his deployment was four months or five months. He went in November.

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Yeah, but we've got the war side now, so he's got a slightly. Well I don't know. That's the thing. We don't know if we don't know if we need him. We need to we need to see. I think that's probably it. But he's pretty pretty intelligent. Switched on guy and he he is. Yeah. Very, very. Yeah. Yeah, man.

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Well, so it's directly affected you in that way. Yeah. I it just feels it doesn't feel good. Doesn't feel right. No. There's too much. There's so many countries involved now. So what? In what way do you say it doesn't feel right? Is in, Well, like a legal kind of like war. No, no, no, no, I feel serious.

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Right? Okay. To me, it feels a bit on top. Well, you know, it's I don't claim to know enough about it, but you're hearing all this stuff. I don't know, man. It's just, you know, you got the Ukraine and Russian thing. You've got. You've got NATO having to protect its borders across Ukraine. If Ukraine falls, Russia goes into that.

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They're on the edge of if Europe and NATO countries, if they take a native country, then we are at war with Russia. Yeah. They Russia and Putin were encouraging, you know, activation of war from Iran to draw. You know, you'd imagine that means that resources are now going towards dealing with that situation. Yeah. Yeah. So you having to support Ukraine issues, you have to support this these issues they're attacking oil depots in Qatar and UAE and Saudi Arabia.

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Oh I mean just feels like a lot. Yeah it does I mean oh a I've got I can't I can't you know, I can't say anything that's going to make anything feel better. So I'm trying to focus on stuff. Just stay on the, you know, work. Just focus on more work and and hope that this doesn't escalate to a point where, I don't know, we have.

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Do you think we'd ever get called up? No, I mean, I, I always had this thing in my head that, like, I'm over 40, so I can't get called out. I'm too old now. Nuh No, you be. Oh, doubt it. I mean, I'd be rubbish out there. Wouldn't I be like, fucking blowing off the 50 yard run and say.

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I mean, it's a social contract that people have certain I just kind of 100% be drafted. Not that it will happen here, but you saw what happened in Ukraine every week. A certain age had to what were drafted, and the only people that were allowed to leave were, women and children. And, you know, like I think people think, well, I won't do it.

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I don't it's not even a choice. It's not like you go to prison like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, fuck knows. It's a bleak. Quite. Start it. Sorry. No no no no no no no no. It's a good way. It's like it's a good way in the fact that we are talking about things on our mind because it, it kind of feeds into what we're going to talk about.

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Now, do you know what we're going to talk about. Yeah. The, Louis Theroux documentary, The Manosphere. Yes, yes. What I will say to people I know you were expecting that we were going to be doing, stereotypes of British all accents and people in Britain, Liverpool, fucking Birmingham, whatever. We push that back again. We apologize. Well, actually, I apologize.

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We're just going to say what we want really. So we're going to talk about what we want. And this felt kind of like, do you know what this is of the moment? So let's have a talk about it. I watched it last night. Did you when did you watch did you watch it last night? Yeah, yeah, I watched it at.

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Well, we look at home I little even Mrs. wouldn't really be interested, so I just sat down and yeah watched it. I was expecting to be more outraged and annoyed than I was. So the way I've been reacting to it was if I left it, I was fuming kind of thing. People have been saying that I didn't, if there was nothing on there that we didn't we haven't seen on social media constantly.

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No, I think you are, more alive to that because you're obviously you're on TikTok and we're both on tick, so, so we know that it exists. Now. I went with my Mrs.. I didn't go with my missus. Sorry that I said I'm going to watch this documentary. This is what it's about. Louis Theroux, she I fucking love Louis.

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I'm like, we all do love. We all do. Right. Let's watch it together. So we started watching it. We got about ten minutes in and I could see her, like, physically squirming in her seat. Really? Like just that uncomfortable reality. And honestly, I felt really uncomfortable, as well, watching it. There were parts of it. I was just like.

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It felt like I was watching. Did you feel uncomfy? Oh, come on, it felt like I was watching. Tottenham and the other team are just attacking an attacking and attacking and, you know, they're going to score in a minute. And I was just like, I couldn't. I was like looking back and looking to the side. I was just like, this is horrible.

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This is this is really horrible. And then my missus got half my friends. She was just like, I can't watch the rest of this. I'll leave it to you. And I was like, all right, sweet. Totally understand and get it. But before you watched it, they obviously just said about TikTok. So we kind of know about these, personalities online.

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Obviously, we work in, let's just say we work in social and that, industry. So we're aware of what drives money, clicks, views, all shit like that. Did you know what the moment was before we before you watched it? Did he know what what the manosphere was? Yeah. What was what you mean like the tick tock that they exist?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but, I mean, not for me. I kind of heard of the term man. Oh, I've also heard of, term of red pill community. Yeah, I know the words, obviously. Misogyny. Yeah. Yeah. So what that who fits in where? And is it the same thing? Right. Is it I just I never really touched is the the pope like for the matter sphere.

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I've never heard the term manosphere. I thought it was only through come up with. But I might be wrong. But yeah. Yeah. You're aware of it, like kind of toxic masculinity. We've even talked about it on this pod. We did an episode while back on it. We did? I forgot to put the the fucking number in because I was going to reference it to say, go back and listen.

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Yeah. And you'll find it. So on. You know what? Actually, I'll put it I'll put it in the description in the episode description so you can listen back. Yeah. So definitely, definitely aware of it. And it was interesting that Louis Theroux chose to, to cover this subject. So, I mean, I think it would do very, very well, though some people have been critical of it already.

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But yeah. So I was aware of it. Yeah. It's getting it kind of feels a bit like not maybe, maybe not as intense. But you know, when adolescent first came out and everyone was like really talking about it, I'll be seeing this and there's a lot of WhatsApp groups going on about it and stuff like that.

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Let's start like where? Why do you think that these, what do you think people are drawn to these, drawn to these communities, to these people? Sorry. Do you know what, before we before we get to the, Sorry, I know I've just asked you a question, so I've stopped. Sorry. What I do want to say is, so the I'll just quickly say, well, my fear is.

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Okay. Where do I put it? Okay. The amount of effort, the groups often share a belief that men are oppressed by modern society, blaming feminism for a decline in traditional masculinity, the promotion of masculinity, misogyny, and opposition to feminism, often arguing that society is biased against men. Male influencers who provide content about fitness, business and self-improvement.

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So that's what the following. And then these are all the content creators that we are going to be kind of referencing that featured, so there's an end called Harrison Sullivan, and he is known as just ticky tacky. Justin Waller, I think his name is, he was the he's an American that was on there, Myron Gaines.

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Yeah, he's the one that has the talk show, and he gets all these off girls fresh fit podcast. Yeah, that's had that's a bad one. I mean, we'll get into that. Yeah, yeah, that is when I was like, I may even have to switch to yourself. Yeah. Because it was. It was too much. But there's another gentleman called Nico who I've never heard of, but very popular.

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You hadn't heard of him before this? No, never. Those massive. Huge. Yeah. No, I had no idea. Mainly in America though. But yeah, he is. He is massive. Yeah. And, obviously Ed Matthews as well. So. And Ed Matthews is best mates with, Tiki Turkey. So that is what the man is for. Aries. These are the content creators that were featured in the documentary and when Louie was talking about them.

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Sorry, I'll ask you the question again. Why do you think so many men are drawn to these? Q mean, I don't think so many men are. I think it's blown up to be be made as a much worse problem than it is. Right. I think to me, one person, you know, Ricky, who genuinely looks at the Andrew Tate in his tequila talking head, Matthews and thinks they are the answer.

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They are the light, genuinely. I have one mate. Okay? One mate of all we people. Yeah one mate. All right. So he. Yeah. And he's, he's he's our age and my my my racist. My that one. That one. All right. Because you always going to get racist people right. Yeah. So he might be that much of his friendships are very complex things.

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All right. So don't judge me right. It's just no, no, no the way it is. No no no no, you shouldn't be judged. I have friends that say very say things, and you just think if you are serious. That is outrageous. Yeah, but like you said, it's complex. Relationships are complex. Like I don't understand why if you are a left wing or left link leaning, that you can't have friends who are right wing.

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And the real irony of that is that it's left wing people that would tell you can't have friends with the right wing. And so it's perfectly fine to have friends with left wing people, in my opinion. What I say right wing, say say courts, Tories in labor, right? Case in point. Really quite right. What a great podcast is.

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The rest is politics. You will listen to. I have done that today a couple of times. So often these are two people. There it is. I can't remember who it is. It's, Alex, the is Alex Campbell. I'll tell you exactly what is into Alison Campbell and Rory Stewart. Now, politics are diametrically opposed in principle. One is Tory Stewart and the other one very much a labor stalwart.

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Both works in the highest echelons of of politics. Yeah. And they are friends and they talk. It's bad in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I don't agree with some them but if you can't listen to them then you're the problem anyway. So yeah, you're one racist, mate. Is the one is a red pillar, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing is even signed up to to the Cobra. The what is it? What's the real world? I think it is. I know, I know, yeah, yeah. Where they have all the kind of crypto stuff and to tell you how to make your money very much is one point of this. Yeah. All right.

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So my point is anyone is normal. Are they are they really going to be attracted to the probably the problem with this is there you are giving a platform and making it seem much more serious. And it necessarily needs to be. That isn't to suggest that there aren't young men being influenced by these people. There are. And they were in the in the program.

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But it isn't as you you for, for for the large majority, young people are not given enough credit or of their ability to read situations and understand what is and isn't acceptable. But my son is an it knows exactly 100. He is. We don't restrict any of his social media. Yeah, but he knows also because he's being brought up in the right environment that he's a moron, like horrible, hateful moron.

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Yeah. So I look at it, so sorry about my case and point it made it sound like there's this epidemic. And there is there is an epidemic. It's the same thing. Like, have you ever seen that clip of, Ross, Ross Kemp where he's doing his documentary and he and he's talking to this bloke. He's like, he's a kind of investigates red bread pillars.

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And he goes off that he basically works out at the start of the documentary that there have been 56 deaths by someone who claimed to be, a red pillar in in the world. Right. And he was like, whatever. And he went, yeah. And he's looked at it again. We can't make an entire documentary on something that affects such a tiny percentage of people.

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Yeah, but these things do get they get politicized and get blown up to the point where you think that there is. It's the same with knife crime in London. You think if you walk out in London you're going to be stabbed at any second, stabbed in the mouth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many people is that happening to you?

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It's not happening to anybody, really. You might. It happens and it's an issue. And he's talking anyway anyway. Anyway. Anyway, So what, what would attract. It's a young man. He's is well, in incels, it's. They feel like they, the a woman's never going to be attracted to them. And like, involuntary celebrate is what that means, isn't it.

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So there's that there's young men who probably do feel to some degree that society demonizes them and, attacks them. And there is a matriarchal society and to some degree, being a man does come with it. Certain challenges, this but but it doesn't mean you're going to go on to go and humiliate women because of it.

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So I don't know. I don't know why they do it. I mean, like, loneliness, obviously. Like, one of the, this was really sad. Like, they, they feature two lads, that had bought into this, I don't know, what would you call it, philosophy of, like, the red pill community or like the beliefs. Yeah, it's just beliefs, whatever it is.

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All of the gentlemen in America, the. What was his name again? Fucking hell. Justin Waller. So it's two. So Justin Waller was being interviewed by Louis Theroux, and, he bumped into this. Justin Waller just bumped into two fans of his. And he says, sit down, we'll have a coffee, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he chats to them and then Louis Theroux chats to the two gentlemen offline.

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Just no, normal people haven't got a social following and they've just bought into this belief. And this red pill community. Now, those two were, not one of them. I don't quite know what he's the you know, his history is in his background, but he said he was homeless and he was living in his car. That's right.

00:29:57:12 – 00:30:28:03
For a certain amount of months, he'd lost everything. And then, God, God helped him, didn't he's someone die? And he's like a his dad died or something. And then, they were both there, and they were saying that what? They believe in this belief system, they don't believe in depression because depression is, you know, why would you be depressed when you have the resources to get yourself out of it?

00:30:28:05 – 00:30:49:12
Then in the second sentence, he said, I did have a brother, but he took his life. Oh that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So you can see it's kind of. Yeah. What might happen, how that might affect someone. And they find solace in the belief system that takes them away from how they feel. Yes. Justin. Well, I guess it's like he is a joke.

00:30:49:14 – 00:31:09:13
Like all of them look ridiculous. Yeah. You know, like, this is the thing is, like, what I found interesting was what? How how did Louis Theroux, how was he going to manage this? That's what I that's why I wanted to watch it. Right? Because I saw what you saw. What, his ticket, what he did when they were filming this.

00:31:09:15 – 00:31:29:06
You remember where that day he was live streaming all of it as a way to combat what he thought Louis Theroux would do. And has done is that it was a hit piece. That's what Louis Theroux does, essentially, and for good reason. He attacks the right subjects and the he goes off the things that could be potentially damaging.

00:31:29:08 – 00:31:52:17
But generally the people, his subjects don't really have rights or apply or don't have a platform in order in order to react to what's happening. Whereas he has decided, I'm, I'm going to gain some leverage here and I'm going to record everything. Yeah. So I was when I first watched that thing, you know, whenever the footage was coming out, because obviously we're streaming it.

00:31:52:17 – 00:32:13:23
And then it got published. He got clipped up by his clip farmers, and they got distributed everywhere. So he kind of played his hand really early. And now we'll be six months later and the documentary comes out. Most people have kind of forgotten about that incident. And now we're only reminded by it by the, the bits that Louis Theroux showed in the documentary.

00:32:14:00 – 00:32:37:02
Yeah. So like and I was thinking this is a really interesting dynamic because how is Louis going to navigate this? Because if you look at the streams he was made to look uncomfortable by HS. Yeah. He was he looked out of his element. He didn't like being the subject of of the, of the, the conversation. And that's what he made happen.

00:32:37:03 – 00:33:03:20
He made Louie the subject. And Louis was supposed to be the subject. What if you what do you like most about Louis Theroux when you're watching these documentaries? He ask the questions you want to ask, and he does it in a disarming way by sort of laughing and trying to be their friend. Yeah. And he, he, he also does that thing where, he asks it in such a, you know, kind of polite, inquisitive, manner that it disarms you.

00:33:03:20 – 00:33:29:13
But then he silent and he sits back. Yeah. And he's like, this is your platform. I'll let you fill in the, you know, the the blank here, the silences, and that's what they naturally do. So when you were sorry, I've kind of, like, just hijacked your. What were you saying with, his tickets? Okay. Before, this documentary came out.

00:33:29:13 – 00:33:39:18
Two seconds. You gone now? Since in him.

00:33:39:20 – 00:34:08:02
All right. Go. He was, he was kind of, he was like. He was on the offensive. So he was clipping up stuff already, waiting for knowing what he thought Louis was going to put out. So he mentions about Louis through ask questions, makes it go silent so that the person he's interviewing would then open up and say stuff.

00:34:08:02 – 00:34:33:13
They feel the human instinct to fill the void. Exactly. So, like, Kate had already set these traps to enable him and his team to clip up video clips to make Louis look uncomfortable, stupid, out of his depth. Tried to get on the front foot, and like you said, he went early and posted all this stuff people have largely forgotten.

00:34:33:19 – 00:35:00:11
And what this kind of. I know you said hit piece. I'd like, but with the way it was made, it didn't really feel like a hit piece. It felt like a I'm going to ask 5 or 6 questions. The floor is all yours. And like, he like, ultimately hung himself, you know, I mean, yeah, but like the things he said, which.

00:35:00:13 – 00:35:20:11
Yeah, yeah. The bits where he's talking about, you know, I'd rather disown my son and then be gay and. Oh, my, my, my, my daughter be an off model and all that sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah. No he did, he said those things. They are they are truths. And Louis for who's asked a question, he could have answered him any time anybody wanted, but he was with him for two days.

00:35:20:13 – 00:35:49:09
How much of that footage that they filmed made it into the video? None of it really. That 1% of Louis for his footage makes it in. Yeah. So he knew in this instance that that was what was going to happen. Now, he could have kept his mouth shut. He could have not given him anything. But what's the point in doing it if he doesn't say the thing that's going to, you know, this the argument, the criticism of it was that this guy in The independent, I read their review.

00:35:49:09 – 00:36:11:21
They gave it like two, one and a half out of five as a documentary. And the main. Oh yeah, the main criticism was that it just platformed these lunatics who the people that are disciples of them aren't going to be looking at Louis Theroux going, I've seen the light. They're just going to be hearing what they've always heard from and from the others, which is the things they want to hear.

00:36:11:22 – 00:36:34:06
Like women are this and men are this. And if you want to be successful, this is what you have to be. So that was the point. It's like, why? Why highlight this conversation? But you as a journalist and as a filmmaker, as Louis Theroux is, you have to have these conversations. There are consequences to making these films. You have to make them.

00:36:34:08 – 00:36:54:03
You can't not you can't ignore it. This is happening. This is spread all over social media. It doesn't need television to spread further. So what Louis Theroux was doing wasn't platforming these people to have their own platform. More people look at their content than they ever would on the BBC or potentially Netflix. Add something to it, but they've already got their audience, so he has to do it.

00:36:54:05 – 00:37:15:02
So yeah, I mean, in terms of them protecting themselves and worrying about the hit piece and the the legion of fans are telling them what Louis Theroux does. And it was a different scenario. So that's what I was really interested in, is how would Louis Theroux be able to make this documentary, despite all of what's happened before? And I think you did a good job.

00:37:15:06 – 00:37:35:22
I think he you actually, he came across how you always comes across, which is in control, even though, you know, the truth is, a lot of this time he wasn't in control. Yeah, he's out of control. So to still be able to do that and NHS comes across probably worse than I thought he would. Yeah. Yeah yeah.

00:37:35:23 – 00:38:06:06
Because, you know, when I'm looking at it and you just see a character being played. Yeah. Same as Ed Matthews and the characters, it's not real. You can tell it's not real. Well, I can as a 44 year old that I'm so talented playing along for the sake of it. And what you do, what do you do when you get the captured the imagination of these men who are vulnerable, who are gullible, who are want to be led and feel a part of something bigger than themselves?

00:38:06:08 – 00:38:27:00
Once you got that audience, you go, now, I'll take my course. We're going to teach you how to trade. We're going to teach you how to earn money. Yeah. And then they're going to take a subscription from that. Why in God's fucking name would they want to need all this description? If he's got a Ferrari or a Lamborghini at 23, it's because that is, the money isn't trading every day.

00:38:27:00 – 00:39:01:18
It's the vulnerable people that buy in because they want to be part of something bigger. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly that. There was a part in the very first part where he's in where he was in, in, IHS and he was saying about, why he says things and does this and all that a lot. And he was just saying for clout like that, I think there was a video and, the next day when Louis had come over and seen him and he said, oh, there's a video here of, some girl, sucking me off in a toilet.

00:39:01:18 – 00:39:38:04
Do you want to see it? And showed it to him or something like that? And he's like, what did she know she's been he's like, yeah. And he was like, why have we done that? He's like, for clout. He understands that obviously that that type of video content, the stuff that he says, the more controversial, of views that he has online and posts, it is going to generate more views, which in turn will be more money for TikTok or for for whatever it is.

00:39:38:06 – 00:39:56:22
So he is not going to get a he's not going to get notoriety from being, vanilla or just being plain straight, or even if he was like a little bit right or a little bit left. He's never going to gain the traction with the amount of people and, you know, faces that are on these platforms. So he has to be extreme.

00:39:56:22 – 00:40:33:12
And he said, in a word, you know, he he does things for, you know, click farming and stuff like that. So it's like once you hear that and you kind of like you saying they're playing a character. And I know that it's it's kind of a character. I don't know, like, I don't know how people can see them and be like, yeah, he's literally just said, I get these people to sign up to my subscription service or to buy forex or whatever, and they give him give me money.

00:40:33:12 – 00:41:02:24
And he's like, well, don't you feel bad about that? That it's not actually it's like it's just it's business. In a slight. Yeah. No in it. So it's like, yeah, I mean they're psychopaths on the sociopath. Yeah. The normal feelings, the normal reaction to these things are on, That's not how normal people react. They don't, they don't I know, I know, you, you know, mates growing up with cheat on their misses, like, every week, not fill up a thing about it.

00:41:03:01 – 00:41:21:11
It just somehow they have a disassociation from the reality of their actions. But there's some, like, Justin Waluigi Warlock. I mean, like, who is following that, who looks at that and goes, yeah. And you know what the most eye opening thing about the documentary is? When they started speaking to the women and you realize everything they're saying is bullshit.

00:41:21:13 – 00:41:40:13
What you're saying is bullshit, that when he had his wife and she was pregnant and he had said, I want to have many wives, he saw the hesitation, the confidence at which he was talking when he was just with Louis, you know, confidence. He was talking with the woman in the room. It's a different energy and same with the other kids.

00:41:40:13 – 00:42:00:12
So I suppose we're going to come on to. But what's his name? Rick. His name is, Myron Gaines, mate. You saw him when that woman, his girlfriend, was in there. It was like a puppy. It was an awkward. It's like, oh, my God, she's saying too much. My character is being broken down here. Yeah, it, you know.

00:42:00:18 – 00:42:29:22
And then he went, I'll go and clean my room. Go clean my room. Like it was like, okay. Yes. It's trying. Yeah. He, he had to kind of try and gain control back of the situation so that, Justin Waller and Myron Gaines, are two of the kind of, American influences in the man's sphere. And they were, so they're kind of, shtick, if you will, is that they have, partners that, it's a right read.

00:42:29:23 – 00:42:53:03
Monogamous. They, they they are one sided, one sided monogamy. So the wives aren't allowed to have girlfriends, but it was like the, the bit when he goes, oh, yeah, I'm going to have many wives. And the woman was like, no. And then and then, I got the bit where you just realize, oh my God, she's fucked.

00:42:53:05 – 00:43:14:07
Is, when he asks, Louis asks if they were married or something like that, like something along those lines, like, I don't know if it was like, you're married. And he said the kind of yes, they were, but not legally or something along those lines. Yeah. And a name by the state or something like that. Yeah. Which, yeah.

00:43:14:09 – 00:43:42:24
Which means nothing to him because she has zero protection and she has a, she has babies. Yeah. So it's just, just fucking scumbags and like what, what? You're either a creature or you're completely vulnerable to look up to this man. Like, what is it possibly as a role model, can he offer you, apart from a lifestyle that you perhaps want?

00:43:43:01 – 00:44:08:08
Oh. Well, why would you want to be anything like him? The case is a creep. Me and the other guys is vile. What's his name? What's his name? The case on the podcast. Myron, my r. And again, he is vile. That whole set up. It's not just. There's a few podcasts like it that do it where they bring on of girls or or opinionated women.

00:44:08:10 – 00:44:31:10
Yeah. They'll just set traps for them to make them look stupid. Yeah. And obviously in that scenario, it's very intimidating. Your brain doesn't work the way you want it to do. And maybe, you know, they own their level of education, that it's stopped at some point and perhaps reasons why they become OTH models is because of some things that have happened in their life.

00:44:31:10 – 00:44:53:14
But there's no real feeling or understanding. It's just they've decided to do this. Therefore they're scum and they're fair game. And he said like that bit about name in free countries. Yeah, it's name is free countries. And the woman said, I can't remember what she said. She said, I Barcelona is a country. And yeah, like that is alarming that she doesn't have that information to hand.

00:44:53:16 – 00:45:37:20
So you need to take care of that person and figure out what's going on, not use them. As abilities go, little women are dumb. He's he's a horrible, horrible piece of work, man. Yeah. To they. So that platform is the kind of set up like this. There's two like two people, like, host. I don't know if he's the host and there's like a, like a co-host, and, then they have, like, five women and like, you're saying from off backgrounds or models or whatever it might be, and they use these people to embarrass, humiliate, and just, make the women look stupid to say as a kind of example.

00:45:37:20 – 00:46:06:01
Look how stupid this woman is. She said Barcelona is a country. This is why we're the fucking the alpha males. We're the apex predators. And we're like, And the way he he was saying that, that women don't know what they want. So I'm the one that gives them direction. I tell them what to do. And he was saying to his, to his girlfriend or whatever, you know, that she, she doesn't really know what she wants.

00:46:06:01 – 00:46:42:07
So I tell her what she wants and this kind of, coercive and horrible type of, behavior that he was showing in front of Louis and then in front of his, you know, girlfriend that they both the both the, what's his name? The, Justin Waller and Myron gains their partners that were being filmed. They looked so uncomfortable and like it was almost like the Justin Waller one who's, you know, wife who's technically not his wife and has his children.

00:46:42:09 – 00:47:01:11
It's like he's convinced her to say this is good for business. Yeah. And I say, I know that you're monogamous, that you only sleep with me, and I sleep with multiple women. This helps business. See this big house that you're in? This is business. Keep your mouth shut. This is what you know. Maybe it doesn't happen or whatever.

00:47:01:11 – 00:47:21:00
Yeah, just stuck to it. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what it feels like. Exactly what happened. It's like this kind of, he's gaslighting of. Yeah, but also, he's providing a life for her when she's living in a mansion and she's driving a Lamborghini to drive. Like, all those things are reality for her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, why is Coleen Rooney same with Wayne Rooney when he checks Glenys.

00:47:21:00 – 00:47:39:13
Why? Because. Yeah. You know the fuck. It's hard to leave that lifestyle. Yeah. So that's his leverage. Look what I provide for you. Look at your life. Yeah, yeah. Look how different he could be. And that, I mean, a lot of people would tell me what to say. I'll say it. He does it. Yeah, yeah. The reality isn't the reality.

00:47:39:13 – 00:47:59:07
It doesn't matter. It does matter because it's you influencing people. But from her perspective, very difficult. But it's how they changed when the woman was there. No, you means, you know, they're full of shit. Yeah. And the and the and when they're on show, they're performing like this guy Myron gains biggest pussy all that. Yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah.

00:47:59:07 – 00:48:18:13
Around that girl. He was so uncomfortable is, My God, I'm going to be exposed. He just crumbled. Yeah. I'm like, where does this come from? Like, a lot of it comes from people that have been cheated on by the, you know, the other half. And you're like, you're so you're so weak. You're so rattled by a woman doing that to you.

00:48:18:15 – 00:48:39:06
Yeah. That you now have to become the one misogynistic wanker on earth. All women are this. And this is the thing, Ricky. Right? As you watch this and you know, it's bullshit because the vast majority of relationships, while they have their challenges and nothing like what these people describe it to be, no, like, that's not to say, but men and women will get on forever.

00:48:39:08 – 00:49:03:14
I don't know anybody who talks about their women like this. In fact, I wouldn't be friends with anybody. I wouldn't spend time around anybody for that women the way he does. No. And you, how many friends does he have? How many people? He really is real friends, do you think? Yeah. None. I don't think he has anyone. There's people, disciples, people that feed into his the other weird campers with him.

00:49:03:16 – 00:49:32:16
He's not his friend. Diva. Yeah. Andrew Tate has his brother I it nothing. That's it. No support people exist like these are isolated, lonely, unhappy, insecure and so and probably have confidence. And then you create a podcast like that one thought fresh and fit and it gains an audience. You know, partly because people might you know, buy into the red pill culture is definitely a thing for sure.

00:49:32:18 – 00:49:50:06
But also, it's like a fascination from the outside is like, why is this geezer so strange and weird? Why does he hate women so much? And what's even weirder is some of these is that you've got this old bloke who comes on, usually smoking cigarets and stuff. Yeah, he comes on the box and I'm like, you're like 50 and you're digging out.

00:49:50:06 – 00:50:14:23
Girls are like 18 and 19. You say, yeah, you creep. Like, how can you be so rude by 19 to a 19 year old girl? Because she does, you know, f or whatever it might be. So this is where I haven't watched it and obviously and knowing about it. But this is where I kind of like, like you said at the beginning of the part, I don't think it's an epidemic.

00:50:15:00 – 00:50:33:09
I don't think you know that. Obviously there are young men that are watching it and thinking, fucking joining a telegram group or a betting group or fucking whatever, they're going to make money, and soon enough they will lose their money and then it's like, oh yeah, this is just shit. They've just hired that. Well, I think that's what I thought.

00:50:33:09 – 00:50:56:13
Clever, clever. That was clever about it. Ricky is they won't lose their money in one go. They'll lose their money gradually via monthly subscription. So they. And they won't realize who's it for a year. I think that's the trick for subscription. If they tell them to do this, put five grand into this, and then the box pulled up and in that instant you're like, fuck, it's HSBC.

00:50:56:14 – 00:51:20:24
All that happened. But if you just pay them £30 a month over a 12 month period, it's not his fault you don't lose the money. You don't even notice the money going, yeah, yeah. I mean that involved maybe I don't know. Yeah. Yeah probably when I got to the end of it though, I was kind of like. Like all people really buying into this, like a lot of it.

00:51:21:01 – 00:51:47:04
Right. And getting into the depths of how they are talking about, women and society and things like that. Yeah, I get it. Maybe there are elements of people that have been cheated on and they don't like, they're kind of, strawman backs I'm up against against women or whatever, but all of it. I'm just kind of like, I have to, you know, see, for all of that.

00:51:47:06 – 00:52:11:10
Well, I did, people aren't stupid. When I used to produce no holds barred podcast, I wanted to do one on the red pill community, and getting them to speak was really difficult until someone reached out to me and said, I'm, Yeah, I'm in a red pill community. I believe in it. And we had a phone call as often I would, I would speak to them on the phone before recording the podcast, and we spoke on that.

00:52:11:11 – 00:52:37:10
In the end, he ghosted me and didn't do it, but we had a couple of conversations on the phone before him. Pussy. Oh, and I said, what happened? He said, my wife, who I thought that we were going to spend the rest of our lives together, didn't, give me any clue as to that. She was unhappy and I had absolutely zero idea.

00:52:37:12 – 00:53:07:20
Left me for a man she met at the gym or something along those lines. And I've spent my entire life buying the house. Paying into the house, buying a dinner, taking her out dates, constantly, paying for everything. And then she just leaves and another man gets everything that I've. I've bought into so that the the what happened to him mentally having gone through that betrayal meant that he couldn't trust women.

00:53:07:23 – 00:53:44:01
He for all women were going to do this. And actually society is set up to, to facilitate the needs and desires of women and not the needs and desires of men. And I to certain degree, I understood his position, understood what had happened and how deeply hurt it was and why he now that he succumbed to this, given that using this vulnerable state, this thing that made sense, that this is why my wife left, is because of this, it's the way society is set up, rather than it being something that the he may have neglected her in some way, or did it, maybe she just fell out of love with him.

00:53:44:01 – 00:54:05:07
All of the normal things that happen, he needed in an answer that he couldn't get and so found it in the red pill community. And then you look, you look around you and you think, you know, kind of to some degree in the traditional nuclear family, it is a little bit like that, right? The husband pays for everything.

00:54:05:09 – 00:54:26:19
The husband pays for the rent, the husband pays for food. The husband buys the wife presents, you know, and then when Father's Day comes around, the gets a card and a pack of socks. Yeah. And men are expenses to fill that role. And I do understand, I actually quite like that. I like the traditional sense of, like, being able to provide if I can.

00:54:26:19 – 00:54:46:12
Sometimes it's hard. I enjoy that, but it's not for everybody. Like, if I took a girl out on a date, say, if I wasn't married, God forbid, I don't know what to do about my wife. But, so. But I, I, I don't know, I do, I go, I just want, I please don't pray. Don't think there's anything that.

00:54:46:14 – 00:55:05:02
But tell me what today I don't want to in the red pill community. Well, if one or the other. But, the weekend I spoke to him, I said, because he was talking about paying for everything. And I said to him, I'm taking my wife away this week. And he goes, did you pay for it all?

00:55:05:02 – 00:55:29:19
And I went, yeah, of course. And he goes, you're you're in the system. You're a part of it. That's the matrix. And I'm like, oh, I want to do that. It makes me feel good to be able to do that. Yeah. Yeah. And but in the younger community now, I remember a mate of, you know, Adam, Adam, Adam Rosenbaum and yeah, he went out for a date long, long time ago.

00:55:29:19 – 00:55:40:06
This was about ten years ago. And they went 5050, which is much more common now. The there was a split.

00:55:40:08 – 00:55:59:22
Never in my wildest dreams. Never. If I was going to take a woman out for a date, would I feel comfortable saying, can you pay off? I just, I just couldn't. Yes, I, I could. I'd rather not go on a date. I just couldn't if someone insisted I really want to. In that instance, I go, okay. Yeah.

00:55:59:22 – 00:56:31:12
But going, are you going to split this or it's like, okay, it's it's not. It's like culturally grown up. It wasn't acceptable. Yeah. I am a common man here. The fucking hours I'm going to live conversation with. But I was saying that I think we were just talking about, now, obviously you send back that paying bills and, you know, taking the kind of traditional father role and providing and stuff and I wasn't I was.

00:56:31:12 – 00:56:47:20
Yeah. It's more. Yeah. Okay. Right. Sorry. That doesn't mean anything. My mechanic mate Steve, so I, I've talked to him about it and it was basically I was just saying that for as long as I can remember.

00:56:47:22 – 00:57:09:23
I pay for our summer holidays. Right? Like, all of everything, you know, flights, villa shopping when we're out there getting dinners out, when they're fucking at a beach, hot, getting cocktails, whatever the fuck it is. I don't give a shit. It all goes on my card and it's all like, I pay for this and it makes me feel good.

00:57:10:00 – 00:57:33:16
It makes me feel like this is what I was born to do. This is what I'm supposed to do, like. And it makes me feel. Yeah. It just, I don't know, manly. I think that's yeah. I think what they would argue is that's the system. You've been brainwashed. It shouldn't feel good. But that's your perception. Don't tell me what feels good or why it feels you should feel good.

00:57:33:18 – 00:58:03:16
I mean, no, but and again, in that, with, he, he took you, he was saying about, a lot token about the matrix. And it's all this, like, you know, things are put in place to keep people down and to keep people unhappy and to keep people, working for businesses and stuff like that, where it's like, well, part of his thing was, if you sign up to this telegram group, I'll tell you how to get women, I'll tell you how to do this, and I'll tell you how it's like you, you're essentially part of the matrix.

00:58:03:17 – 00:58:26:20
You are the mate. You know, you're capitalist and you're making money from other people, right? It's just. Yeah, he's I mean, he's 23. Of course you're going to pick apart stuff. He's he's pretty switched on for someone of that age. And I think he's. Yeah, he was privately educated, but when I was talking to the, to the mum, you could see how disappointed and like awkward she was.

00:58:26:22 – 00:58:52:04
She was in listening to him talk the way he did. But then you always realize it's, it's it's ballocks it's not real. It's not. She knows it's not real. She finds it cringey. But, you know, it's not real. I don't know, maybe I'll just, on the last bit before we, jump off. Do you think there is, like, for these people that have a now kind of, notorious online?

00:58:52:04 – 00:59:10:21
They're the ones getting the clicks. They're the ones getting the views. They're the ones of, you know, the click farmers. You're sharing everything about what they're saying in their streams, you know, about, do you think there is a gap in positive role models? Like, who are the the people that are out there? Intel we're seeing is the, you know, the villains.

00:59:10:21 – 00:59:33:11
Are we making money because now the biggest streamer in the UK isn't like this at all. Jim Skin, he was actually skin exploded in the last two weeks and he films on Kik and Kik is is almost like the grown up twitch in that they don't ban you for swearing and it's a little bit more mature in in its content than on Twitch.

00:59:33:11 – 00:59:50:16
And Twitch is very kind of sensitive to swearing and yeah, anything like that. Have you, have you got a kick account? No, no, I'm not going to sit and watch someone fucking walk around with a camera. Didn't my. I just thought I'd ask. I just thought I'd ask. I don't know who is watching it or why.

00:59:50:16 – 01:00:17:14
It's entertaining. Like, I don't, I don't like Matt Brady, for example, when he makes his YouTube videos, it's just like a little travel documentary and you're watching this moron walk around Ireland saying and doing funny things, right? Yeah. On face value, what it is, it is quite funny. Yeah, that's one thing. Following someone around for 24 hours a day, they've got this backpack that they have like 30 grand that just allows them to stream consistently forever.

01:00:17:16 – 01:00:38:11
But seven hours streaming just out on the out in the streets behave like that. I know, but he is the opposite to all of this. He's very positive and very good, and people are really tapping into that. I think people are getting a bit tired of this, that kind of because it's negative, right? They live in a negative world.

01:00:38:13 – 01:00:58:16
They're even taking the piss out of someone, taking advantage out of someone. The someone's expense, laughing at someone's expense generally, that there's only so much energy you can be around that kind of. Yeah, those those kind of people, you know, the way he talks about women, it's like, how many times can you hear it for think, I don't want to hear this anymore.

01:00:58:18 – 01:01:15:24
Yeah. It's almost like, I don't know if you've seen the movement, the, you know, like road men, you know, like the yeah, yeah, yeah. The kids are sort of nicking bikes and stuff like that. There was, there was a time where it was kind of, you know, almost like what would you call it? Like it was like, boost it.

01:01:15:24 – 01:01:34:24
It was like hero. What's the word? It's the opposite of Villainized. It was sort of like idolized. It was like it was, you know, we've we've we've drill music and stuff like that. It was almost like, okay, this isn't could be an aspirational lifestyle. But then you this stuff about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chicken man down and stuff like that.

01:01:35:01 – 01:02:06:06
Yeah. But there's this movement from the community that are saying, actually this is really cringe or cringe way to live. This is not something that is aspirational or and I almost like being bad is cringeworthy. So there's this kind of like movement away from it. And I think there. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. And, and I think if everything goes in waves, like we went through a really woke era where no one was allowed to say anything and, you know, for fear of being canceled, that everyone was being canceled.

01:02:06:06 – 01:02:42:03
Is comedian comedians being canceled for something they said? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ten years ago. Jon Ronson did an incredible series called Things Fall Apart on. It's a it's a podcast series where he go through eight, 8 or 9 different, examples of how cancel culture has existed in history. Really fascinating stuff. And then so the reaction to that was over, like, was this sort of manosphere era where the, you know, you can't be canceled because you're not in a position where you kind of looked down on your pilots about things.

01:02:42:03 – 01:03:13:06
So what are you going to do, tell everyone to stop listening to them? Anybody? What listens to sticky talk? You ain't have to listen to someone telling you not to listen to. They say, fuck you. So, I mean, so maybe we're moving into an era where we just don't want that negativity anymore. Not insane, but the, that negativity you think social media to to blame because everyone knows that the more angry, frustrated, the more vile things that you say, the more extreme things that you do.

01:03:13:06 – 01:03:32:04
Everyone knows that's what that's what get views. Yeah. And the thing is, if that's what's getting the views, that's how these people are getting paid. So the more kind of extreme you are, the more views you're getting, the more money you're getting. So they're going to continue to do that. So with social media, does it allow you to continue to do that?

01:03:32:04 – 01:03:54:10
Why don't they switch the algorithm so that the more happiness is rewarded and paid for and positivity and oh yeah, yeah, that's a good point. And maybe they could switch the algorithm up to promote that other stuff. But if you look in in terms of history and how news is covered and information is covered, it's always it's always been the most negative aspects.

01:03:54:12 – 01:04:22:07
You know the old adage, if it bleeds, it leads for tabloid journalism. You know, the positive stories don't sell. And the algorithm can only be reactive to how it if people interact with it, you know, and it's not the algorithm isn't a human being, it's AI which gauges and adapts to human behavior, not the other way around, doesn't it?

01:04:22:07 – 01:04:47:23
So I'm on my, my, write a letter to Zuckerberg, see if he can, change the our guy for us. Save us. Okay. We are going to go on to something. You know, it called just the tip of it. The topic for next week. I promise it will be accents and stereotypes from around the British Isles.

01:04:47:23 – 01:05:10:06
Cockney is Geordie, Scouse is Northern Ireland, and and they're stereotypes. Well, I think I say, I promise, but you never know what's going to come up in the news that we might want to discuss. So, I mean, it more than likely will be, you know, people have been emailing in, if you do want to email in about the subject for next week, lads, anon pod at gmail.com.

01:05:10:06 – 01:05:29:09
And before we go over to, something any, you know, I just want to say shout out to the discord community. On patron, I don't know what has happened, but I think there's been a few people that have been patrons that haven't signed up to discord, and they've done it within the last week or so, new patrons.

01:05:29:09 – 01:05:56:07
But the discord, there's kind of been a balance which just slightly tipped over where it's really, it's popping off in there. And it's been a pleasure to be. And I'm in discord, the lads. Discord than I mean, any WhatsApp group now it's just the best place to be. If you do want to come become a patron Patreon.com slash lads and on pod and you're listening to this, you'll get this on the Friday.

01:05:56:07 – 01:06:32:14
But you have a normies, you get it on the Monday and you won't get the video and it won't be ad free and everything else. No discord. All right. So we're going to go into something 90, you know, well, we. Okay. Here we go. Wow. Something, you know, just the tip of it. I was five months into my relationship with my current partner and went on holiday to Scotland with their mum and dad for a week.

01:06:32:16 – 01:06:52:23
We decided to go for a roast dinner at a pub near our place where we were staying. We got seated and ordered drinks. Everything was going okay. We were chatting as you do and we got on to the topic of baby pictures. So my girlfriend got her phone out and was showing her mum and dad pictures of me as a kid.

01:06:53:00 – 01:07:17:24
Nothing weird, quite normal right? Just to make it clear, the seating plan was my girlfriend to my right and her dad in brackets, who was pretty intimidating in the early days. Price bracket directly opposite me and her mother, who was opposite my girlfriend. Okay, so back to my girlfriend showing our pictures of me. So she was shown this one particular photo.

01:07:18:00 – 01:07:45:19
I was holding the phone, her phone in front of her so I couldn't see, but could really see her mum and dad's faces, faces and reactions. And what happens next is possibly the worst possible thing to happen. She was zooming in on the photo of me as a kid saying how funny my big eyes looked, but all of a sudden her mum and dad's faces went bright red with shock and looked disgusted.

01:07:45:21 – 01:08:11:14
She had accidentally swiped instead of zooming in on. The photo showed nothing but my cock. Fully erect. Yes, the head in full frame. Yeah, making naked Matip. The worst part is she had the phone held up for at least 30s as she didn't realize that she had swiped and not zoomed. So it's fair to say when the when the food arrived it was rather awkward.

01:08:11:16 – 01:08:42:01
It was. It was most definitely the most uncomfortable. I felt shoveling roast potatoes in my mouth. And that is something only all four of us and I enjoy the pot. Keep up the good work. Okay. How are you guys? Who who's, What? Like. If you for like, what are you doing with it? But that picture. No, I know, but you're you're still going out.

01:08:42:03 – 01:09:00:19
Well, any anytime you want, you can actually have a live action of that. Yeah. Now you can still image I don't know I don't know I mean update, you know, for them I mean, I'm why is it right when you give your phone to someone, why do they start having just. I'm showing you a photo, right?

01:09:00:21 – 01:09:17:06
That's all I'm doing. You don't need to zoom. You don't need to swipe and look at this and all that lot. Just fucking chill out with that. Every time I share my missus of I, I've got my phone in my hand and I'm like, okay, go look at that. Then she takes the phone out of my hand. Well, it's the 8980.

01:09:17:08 – 01:09:41:20
It's not what we know. Yeah, we're just looking at I'm not saying hold my phone and look at if I just look at the photo, that's all you need to do, right? Yeah, exactly. Like, it was rather awkward. It was the most definitely the most uncomfortable. I felt shoveling roast potatoes in my mouth. That's good. Have you, like, with your, father in law?

01:09:41:22 – 01:10:06:08
What's your relationship like? Was it ever awkward? Does he ever kind of standoffish or, like, obviously. So my my wife's that. Yeah. I mean, once in. Oh we've been there 12. Oh where where are we to. Yeah 12 years I mean once it's where we twice shared to the wedding. Cock. So yeah. Then there's no I then I.

01:10:06:08 – 01:10:32:01
Right. Okay. And then, my previous father in law Jesus. Yeah. I mean, like, basically Nick from each other. Yeah. I was, My what? My, No, my father in law was exactly this very standoffish when, me, mama, me and my missus first got together, he would barely say a word, like, barely say a word.

01:10:32:03 – 01:10:51:09
Yeah. His birthday is the day before mine. And I went round there. This is in the first, like, two years. And as I got through the door, it was it. Birthday day. Because this guy around. Right. Yeah. And I open the door and I said, oh, happy birthday Charlie. And he didn't say anything. I didn't say a single fucking thing.

01:10:51:09 – 01:11:25:14
Nothing I for I mustn't, mustn't have heard me 7:03. Oh, by the way, happy birthday Charlie. Oh, no, I, yeah. And I thought, oh, God. How early on was that that. Yeah, this was in the first two years, just absolute stonewall. Fucking gay. He gave me that snippet. I don't say, baby. Nothing in laws. And do you know how, I broke the ice with him, and he started talking to me, and he actually liked me and thought, you know what?

01:11:25:16 – 01:11:48:03
This is the guy. This is the guy for my do, It was the night. The famous night of, me on the roundabout. Yeah. That night, So. Well, that's what. Well, it was that. Yeah. Well, then he thought he's all right. He found it hilarious. The like so fucking, like, less and done. That is hilarious.

01:11:48:05 – 01:12:11:10
Yeah. It is, you know, just got I went out and got pissed. Really mega pissed. I went to a, like it was a cocktail. Two for one or whatever, from 6 to 8. Then I went to another place. Is all you can drink? Eight till ten by half. Nine. I was absolutely counted, so I had to go home.

01:12:11:12 – 01:12:32:01
I went to my missus house and knocked on the door and they said, don't is not here. She's still out, Rick. It's only 9:30. They took me upstairs to her room. I was there, I was checking off my age. They were downstairs watching TV. I, passed out on the bed and then they heard me, like, half an hour later, go into the toilet, be sick, and then go back into the room.

01:12:32:04 – 01:12:56:08
And then they were like, oh, thank fuck, he's passed out. They went to sleep. And then they got a phone call from their next door neighbor saying, hi, I don't mean to wake you up, but, we think Donna's boyfriend is on the roundabout on the estate, and they're like, oh, God. Like, really? And they had to get dressed, get in the car, drive down the road to the roundabout.

01:12:56:09 – 01:13:18:20
And I was standing on the roundabout and nothing but just my boxer shorts, waiting for Donna to come home. And he found that obviously hilarious. That's how the ice break with us. So there you go. Well, why did you try and why did you escape the house? I don't know, I don't know. And, I actually there's a there is a bit that I missed.

01:13:18:20 – 01:13:33:06
I walked into their bedroom, I walked into their bedroom, said, Where's Donna? And they said, Rick, she's down the pub. She's still out. It's like really early. And I thought, I want Donna. And they're like, just go back to bed. So I shut the door. I went back to bed and then I made this escape out. When I woke up in the morning.

01:13:33:06 – 01:13:55:02
What did you have on your boxer shorts and socks? Just. No, just my box socks are off as well. Just boxer shorts on around about. The style of the night. Why did she come home to see you? You, Did she come at leave at night early to come back to you? No, no, no, she didn't she didn't know any of this is going on.

01:13:55:04 – 01:14:13:19
And then, when I wake up in them, I like they're all, like, leaning over me. Do you know what you did last night? I signed, and then they proceeded to tell me. I looked out as well. You know, when you're so pissed off, I just literally saw my jeans and they were rolled down and it was just two holes, like where I just wrote them down and stepped out of my jeans.

01:14:13:19 – 01:14:30:06
Going to bed by now, man. But, yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't suggest doing that to break the ice with your father in law, but it worked for me. That's going to be the end of this, week's podcast. I hope you have a lovely week. Yeah. Enjoy. Bye.