#150 | Bizarre True Stories – Real or Myth?

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Gareth Flavell: ah

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Flav: What's happening?

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Gareth Flavell: I am. It's the same cycle the last two years, man. And I don't know quite what to do.

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Flav: Whoa.

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Gareth Flavell: I quit vaping. New Year's resolution, quit vaping and everything's going fine. Everything is going fine. And then in April. i hit a wall.

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Gareth Flavell: And it's like i go to the football. I have a few pints. I get a bit giddy and I'm like… This chewing gum isn't… It's not holding the tide.

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Gareth Flavell: So I go out and get a quick little £4 Lost Mary just to, you know, tide me over for that evening, leave it in the pocket. The next time I go for a beer with the boys, it will be there.

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Gareth Flavell: And that's it. That's all I want to do Just when I'm having a beer, have a quick vape, and then I'm done and dusted. But I find myself…

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Gareth Flavell: When I'm locking the doors at night, everyone's upstairs. I go into my coat pocket and I'm standing by the front door. have a couple of bangs on it.

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Flav: What?

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Gareth Flavell: Put put it back in my coat and then off to bed I go. It's like a full stop on the day.

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Flav: What's this? Oh, so you don't smoke, you don't do it during the day, but you you've got it on your nail, Rick.

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Gareth Flavell: no.

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Flav: I'm literally watching you i've watched you take a pull on it.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, And it's…

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Flav: Is it because everyone's out and they don't see you doing it?

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Gareth Flavell: It's now slid into May. And what what look out your window. Tell me what's there.

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Flav: Summer, sunshine, warmth.

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Gareth Flavell: The sun. Yeah. And it just makes you go into that pub garden mode. And I can feel it in my body. Like, it's like saying, you know your calorie counting, but it's hot.

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Gareth Flavell: Just have a beer, Rick.

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Flav: Rick Rick can I to me you just seem to be constantly on like just weird not weird, you're doing it for the betterment but you're right's fasting and you not and then you don't you can't vape and then

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Gareth Flavell: You know, it's hot. Just sit in the garden and have a little vape.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: It's like you just want your life to be a little bit more miserable than it needs to be. like who Who are you fasting for?

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Gareth Flavell: ah For me, i like like I'm at my…

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Flav: No, no, I get that.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Flav: Does it make you happy?

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Gareth Flavell: the No, the the losing weight makes me happy.

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Flav: When's that going to happen?

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Gareth Flavell: ah what it goes on and off. It's it's like a

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Flav: So you're not really losing weight despite denying yourself.

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Gareth Flavell: No, no, maintaining, maintaining. Losing and then up and then losing and then up again.

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Flav: Like, you're not not smoking crack. it's just a bit of of It's just a bit of steam.

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Gareth Flavell: nay

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, but I kind of feel like I've let my kids down because I'm like, ah not not that I did this. Right.

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Flav: Okay, lett let me just tell you something, Rick.

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Gareth Flavell: Right.

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Flav: That's fine at the moment. In a couple of years, they won't care.

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Gareth Flavell: bri

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Flav: They'll be so preoccupied with what they're doing. ah They'll be vaping by then as well.

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Gareth Flavell: Don't say that. Don't you dare.

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Flav: I wouldn't be surprised if they're vaping already. How old are they?

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Gareth Flavell: no

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Flav: 14 and 12. 14 ones.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah

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Flav: Maybe because she's she's very good and she's she's very… yeah she likes sure

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Gareth Flavell: yeah. Yeah, she is no way, Nathan. No way. Younger one, we, you know, we might have a Lambert and Butler, 20 on her.

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Flav: I have a problem.

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Flav: ah ah There isn't there isn't a young person in where I live who isn't vaping. Honestly, it's like pandemic. but like it yeah They've brought in vapes to help reduce smoking.

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Gareth Flavell: It's fucking mental. Yeah.

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Flav: I mean, putting part of that into business as well.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: And definitely it helps get you off the fags, for sure.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah,

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Flav: But most of these young people would have never started smoking anyway because smoking is a habit is is is of rather seen as sort of quite a disgusting habit, right?

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Gareth Flavell: it's bad, isn't

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Flav: Yeah, whereas when we were kids, first thing you did was 16, someone out of a spare cig and you started smoking. and it was like, cool, was like the best thing in the world. It was disgusting, but you just did it. Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: I was nicking menthols out my mum's purse when I was like 10.

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Flav: Yeah, I really 10.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck me. Yeah, yeah.

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Flav: Exactly. But these vapes are like, they taste like sweets. It's crazy. um and So the they all these kids are just a like both Will and Chloe, they're vaping.

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Gareth Flavell: Oh, Chloe as well.

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Flav: And I'm like, what? She's 18. What am I supposed to do? What was we doing at 18?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Oh, God.

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Flav: I was smoking. I was nicking my nan's fags.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: I was nicking my nan's fags.

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Gareth Flavell: ah ah

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Flav: Super kings. They were. They were long.

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Gareth Flavell: okay

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Flav: Long, really long ones. And like my nan, I'd be lying on the floor because often when I'd go and see him, we'd go into my nan's house. You remember house, don't you? Because she had she used to sit on a chair on the left-hand side. And there was another chair over the other side room where my granddad used to sit. But he's always, it was so far away.

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Flav: So I used to lie on the floor next to my nan, ah you know, by her feet pretty much. Or my my back up against her the chair.

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Gareth Flavell: Like a little a dog.

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Flav: Yeah, um um like my nan I think my nan was the only put i was the only person my nan wasn't mean to.

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Gareth Flavell: Okay. ay

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Flav: Yeah, she loved me.

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Gareth Flavell: Oh.

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Flav: I was her favorite, hands down her favorite.

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Gareth Flavell: Really?

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Flav: Yeah, because Russell and Ryan, obviously, they're my half-brothers, but they they only saw my dad every other weekend because their their relationship with their mum split up.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Flav: um And ah so I would always go into my nan every Sunday, I would just go in there. I think I wanted to get a whack get out of the house because i had two older stepbrothers and was like…

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Flav: to spend some time on my own banana so she was my favourite no I was her favourite but I used to just I used to nick fags from her and smoke them when she got to a stage where she was kind of i think the dementia had started but I wasn't aware of it so I could just smoke her fags and she wouldn't know yeah yeah

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Gareth Flavell: That's mental. While you were talking just then, and you're talking about your nan, this is going to sound weird, right? But I just saw an orb go past around your head.

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Flav: no you didn't

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Gareth Flavell: I swear on my life. I swear on my life. When you watch this back, when we watch the video back, you will see it

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Flav: um but that can't have happened because that sort of shit doesn't exist, Ricky.

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Gareth Flavell: That is… that is

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Flav: What do you mean an orb? I've just had a wank, so hopefully not.

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Gareth Flavell: Well, I believe orbs…

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Flav: That's a joke.

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Gareth Flavell: what ah Orbs are… ah Well, it's like little balls of energy, isn't it? That kind of…

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Flav: It's the bits when like when you're watching Ghost Hunters and stuff and they go, oh, an orb. And you're like, oh, rock great, an or another orb.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

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Flav: All right.

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Gareth Flavell: And I just saw one. Maybe it it was…

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Flav: Well, you see, you show me the video and prove it to me.

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Gareth Flavell: Right, I can't wait to do this afterwards. It's going to fucking brilliant.

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Flav: All right. Yeah, so um all the kids are vaping. You'll be vaping. Don't worry.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: Hang on. Doesn't D-Money vote vape?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, she does. Yeah, yeah.

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Flav: In front of the girls?

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Gareth Flavell: Like a fucking mate. Like she doesn't do it in front of the girls, but like, yes, cool.

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Flav: Do the girls know?

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Gareth Flavell: The vape is laying around everywhere. she She will be vaping in the kitchen. The girls will come in and she's like wafting her hands like they can't smell fucking triple lemon or whatever it is she's smoking.

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Flav: a cherry yeah yeah You can't tell them not to when you're doing it.

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Gareth Flavell: It's like, yeah, I know, but i just… They know that I've made a conscious effort to stop, to kind of show them, look, girls, I used to vape. I know it's bad, and I'm going to stop. I, like…

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Flav: That's the thing. Because they won't they stop listening to your words and just follow your actions. What am I supposed to say to Will and Chloe when i'm I'm still smoking cigarettes outside?

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Gareth Flavell: you smoking… Are you on the cigs? The actual…

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Flav: and When did I ever give up?

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Gareth Flavell: thought you did. I thought, like, you went…

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Flav: when i know When I wasn't drinking, I stopped smoking then.

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Gareth Flavell: Right.

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Flav: So, I mean, we talked about this, but it's so weird. I didn't even want a cigarette.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I know. Yeah, exactly.

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Flav: like went now Like, if i'm I'm not… I sit in this office all day and obviously I'm not drinking and I don't think about cigarettes. It's only when I get home, if I get home about…

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Flav: Well, whenever, whatever time I get home, I probably start drinking pretty much most times, most nights.

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Gareth Flavell: Right. Okay.

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Flav: When when i say start drinking, it's not like tanning whiskey, but might open and brought a bottle of wine or something.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: Then the fags fly out.

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Gareth Flavell: Fuck, really? What are you on?

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Flav: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: you on…

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Flav: Rob gold.

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Gareth Flavell: Right.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: In the white box, yeah? Not fucking mobile reds, no? Because it used to be mobile lights, didn't they?

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Flav: No, gold. Gold.

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Gareth Flavell: Right, okay.

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Flav: Yeah. So, um, Yeah, I don't know. It's weird because I spot i thought like tobacco was the hardest thing to, or nicotine was the hardest thing to give up or one of. But like I said, I have no ah no sensation to want to smoke when I'm not um not having a beer.

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Gareth Flavell: Fuck.

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Flav: Weird, isn't it?

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Gareth Flavell: and and like and And you're like smoking in front of the kids and that's fine. And you're like, yeah, I know that.

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Flav: But they're not kids. They're adults now.

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Gareth Flavell: But like, right.

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Flav: Yeah. Yeah. My dad did. My nan did.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: Did you…

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Gareth Flavell: I remember.

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Flav: the draw

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, my mum. Yeah, my mum used to smoke for years, years and years.

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Flav: Rick, you know, you're not, you ah you should be setting a good example to your kids, and you do, and youre you are correct.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: But when they go out in the big world, they're going see it all.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: So, like, what do they know?

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Gareth Flavell: So…

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Flav: what what maybe not Remy, but Amelie.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: Have you talked to her about what, like, ecstasy pills and stuff like that?

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Gareth Flavell: Fucking hell no Jesus Christ. I can't…

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Flav: What happens when she gets offered one then? She doesn't know what to do.

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Gareth Flavell: Well, I… God, do you think I…

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Flav: bit older. You better wait a bit later. Just 16?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I think I'm going to have to wait a bit later. I mean, she is a very, you know, goody two-shoes kind of like…

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Flav: it's

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Flav: Yeah. Good. Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, but I going have to have that conversation. You know, if you like, so have you had that conversation yours?

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Flav: yeah they They mature rapidly from 14 to 16. sixteen that There's a big change. I know it's a massive change in Will between 14 and 16. He becomes more mature and he's much more like an adult. He's not an adult. He's still 16. But if this you see a switch in your kids at that age.

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Gareth Flavell: He looks like one.

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Flav: And then… What? What?

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Gareth Flavell: Will, fucking big old lump, isn't

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Flav: Yeah, he's so tall.

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Gareth Flavell: Handsome, handsome man as well.

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Flav: He's good looking dad. And Chloe's like 18, right? So she's literally an adult.

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Gareth Flavell: Fuck.

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Flav: So ah they ask questions and they're going out and they're dr they're they're going out to like, in the country here, they have this place called The Patch and they they'll meet on this, gri of similar stuff that we did when we were kids.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah.

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Flav: ah you We used to go to Paradise Park and drink.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, help.

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Flav: They go to the patch and drink. The the cycles repeat regardless. And then they just, so well, what what happened was… During lockdown, had loads, we, you know, it was a heavy time, so we it was we thought the world was ending, and so we just I bought loads of like stuff to help alleviate the boredom, let's say.

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Flav: And it was in a lockbox, it was all locked away with a code. um And the last time I used it would have been years ago, and I forgot that the stuff was in there. And there was nothing major, but and the kids found it when we were moving.

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Gareth Flavell: what they box open, though was it?

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Flav: It was zipped up, but it wasn't locked. And previously it was in like my room in the top of the cupboard, but it just when we were moving. It wasn't a problem because they you know they ask they they saw sort of like some mushrooms and stuff like that in there.

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Flav: that And they just like know they were asked questions.

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Gareth Flavell: Uh, yeah, okay, that's fine.

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Flav: But i just i made it a point, because I worked for the media charity before, working with young people and educating them about things like drugs and a knowing Nick, our mate Nick, who you know works in drugs…

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Gareth Flavell: Nick, ya yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Flav: ah harm reduction in young people with drugs that I knew that it was better for the kids to have the information about what to do if someone offers them an ecstasy pill in the future when it inevitably happens they're not given that information and they make the wrong decision like take it whole immediately so

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, double dropping shit like that.

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Flav: Yeah, because they didn't feel it in the first half an hour. That's that that is that's harm that's protecting them from a situation. or not It's not protecting them, it's giving them the information to make the right decision. The right decision could well be, I don't want that, no thank you.

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Gareth Flavell: Right.

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Flav: But we know, don't we?

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Gareth Flavell: Yes.

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Flav: We don't make the right decisions, do we?

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Gareth Flavell: No, no, no, no, no.

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Flav: Typically. In fact, we like making wrong decisions.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do. And have you have have you had that conversation though?

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Flav: So…

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Flav: Yeah, several times. Not sat them down and go, right, guys, need to talk to you about something.

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Gareth Flavell: Right.

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Flav: Drugs.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: When they get offered to you in the future, it's more subtle, like exhibit A.

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Gareth Flavell: Exhibit A, we're all going to do we're all goingnna do this.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: We're all going to do a quarter and tell me how you feel.

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Flav: yeah

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Gareth Flavell: We write down our feelings. We journal it. ah

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Flav: No, we just sat down. it was just when you're driving the car. the but The car rides are the best places to have conversations with the kids because there's nowhere they can go.

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Gareth Flavell: ah Right, okay.

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Flav: So, and we might start out of like, oh, used to get out my mates. We used get out with all sorts. And then I go, oh, what do you mean? Well, you know, so when you're young, you do you get you put in situations and people offer you things.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: Like, have you ever heard of like ecstasy? that that And they'll they'll go, yeah, I know what it is.

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Gareth Flavell: Oh, yeah.

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Flav: They know, because certainly if they're on social media, they'll know what most things are. And then you talk to them. Like…

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Gareth Flavell: and when you when you educate them and saying like um like, do half and the strengths and all stuff like that, did you ever draw comparisons with your own experiences?

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Flav: No, I never said, I alluded to the fact that we had experiences when I was younger, but I never went into detail about this is what we used to do.

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Gareth Flavell: Gotcha.

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Flav: Not like that. It wasn't glamorizing it. It was just saying, look, when you get older, certainly now, now it's like obvious. They're out, they're mating their mates.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: They're going up down to the woods. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if they've tried some stuff already. I don't know. They haven't told me and they probably would. um I think they think Chloe would because she's much more like,

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Flav: It's like the second child's syndrome.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Flav: Out of the two of them, it's going to always be the year.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: And then… ah So, yeah, you just sort of talk to them about that. And, like, the best one… the this like i guess what you're going to be offered, it's going to be weed and it might be pills and mushrooms and stuff like that.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: It's just some basic harm reduction that they… to keep themselves safe. Like, you wouldn't drink a whole bottle of vodka… right in one go would if you were having to drink vodka you might sip it and see how you feel you don't take a whole ecstasy pill in one go even though it looks tiny these are really yeah it does a lot yeah you can end up in hospital

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Gareth Flavell: No.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. What's that going to do? It does a lot. It does a lot. Yeah.

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Flav: does a lot um so it's just so that they know that you are cool with it and that you're they can talk to you about it at any time rather than if you don't mention it they're gonna get exposed to it anyway not at 12 not at 14 maybe because they're still screamnna like you say she's quite prim and proper but at some stage they are they're gonna see it

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Gareth Flavell: Right.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, because I've always had this thing, right, where we've spoken about this before. We're talking about ah harm reduction, and it's always better to be kind of open and honest. And I wanted that relationship with my kids. I do want that relationship with my kids to say, ah if someone offers you and you you know you are inclined to do it or whatever, take a half and see how you get on, all all that stuff, right?

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Gareth Flavell: But then I'm always in that bit, like, if they ever ask me, have you ever done it? not What do I say? do I go… Yeah, I've doubled.

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Flav: Yes.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah. oh yes

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Flav: you say but you You just say, that if have I ever done it? And you'd say, yes, in my younger days, I have taken some things.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: Yeah, you have to be honest.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: um Yeah, I can see that, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, Foxy, yeah yeah. He used to push a good lord knows what in my mouth.

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Flav: I always get blamed for shit like this. He kept putting oxygen, shoving pills in my mouth.

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Gareth Flavell: he

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Flav: I didn't want to take them, Fox made them.

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Gareth Flavell: ah right oh yeah okay I'll yeah I'll let you know but that might be instead of cool Frank it'll be cool Foxy that'll do that'll work

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Flav: Or if you wanted, ah you know, i'm not not that this is probably a situation that it would be appropriate, but I could always talk to them and then you'd never have to talk about what you've done.

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Flav: But when they're older, when you think they're ready.

00:17:04.52
Flav: Yeah.

00:17:08.90
Flav: Indeed. Indeed.

00:17:11.77
Gareth Flavell: But then glorify it.

00:17:13.69
Flav: I would never.

00:17:13.94
Gareth Flavell: That's good.

00:17:15.86
Flav: It would come from a place of love.

00:17:21.88
Gareth Flavell: OK, right.

00:17:22.13
Flav: Right, and love and care, yep.

00:17:23.80
Gareth Flavell: Jingle.

00:17:50.81
Gareth Flavell: Hello and welcome to Lads Anonymous, it's episode 150.

00:17:55.61
Flav: So it's…

00:17:56.05
Gareth Flavell: Ricky, he's Flav, two best mates, one main topic. We answer your life dilemmas and confessions in our feature, Something Only You Know, and everything remains anonymous always. So sit back, relax and enjoy the pod.

00:18:08.85
Gareth Flavell: How's it going Flav?

00:18:10.52
Flav: um I think on Saturday, no, sorry, on June 1st, I'm going to Bristol Cathedral or some place in Bristol to listen to Amnesiac, the Radiohead album, In the Dark, played by an orchestra.

00:18:12.47
Gareth Flavell: Mmm.

00:18:15.67
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:18:22.58
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:18:30.76
Gareth Flavell: i've so I've seen those things.

00:18:32.41
Flav: they put You put a mask on your face yeah and yeah and you lie down.

00:18:34.73
Gareth Flavell: Oh, I've not seen that one. Fuck off.

00:18:38.71
Flav: They just play the album.

00:18:42.20
Gareth Flavell: Mate, that sounds ream.

00:18:43.92
Flav: 15 quid.

00:18:45.24
Gareth Flavell: My mum went to… It was a present for her fella. But Hans Zimmer.

00:18:52.37
Flav: Yeah.

00:18:52.47
Gareth Flavell: Church. Thousands of candles.

00:18:55.96
Flav: Oh, yeah.

00:18:56.47
Gareth Flavell: Dark and live orchestra.

00:18:57.43
Flav: Does she love it?

00:18:59.37
Gareth Flavell: She's not into Hans Zimmer, but she said it was amazing. So

00:19:03.58
Flav: Why what why why did you buy a stuff? Who's it for?

00:19:07.00
Gareth Flavell: ah she bought it for her fella.

00:19:09.02
Flav: Oh, right. I guess I said she went along. Yeah.

00:19:11.16
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and I've seen they do a Fleetwood Mac one. They do a Coldplay one. I'd be fucking well into that.

00:19:19.09
Flav: Yeah, I'm going to… I think it's called Pitch pitch Black payback Playback.

00:19:25.25
Gareth Flavell: That sounds all right, you know.

00:19:26.65
Flav: Yeah, it's We the Curious Planetarium on June the third So i'm gonna I might check it out. I might go.

00:19:34.84
Gareth Flavell: How were amnesiac, is that high up in your…

00:19:40.28
Flav: ah Not in most people's, but in mine, i would say… i mean, I've… You kind of Because I think I've said this before, but with Radiohead, you you can dip in and out of different albums and when you want.

00:19:53.53
Flav: So you kind of have a favourite at one time.

00:19:55.51
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:55.96
Flav: i think Amnesiac is… Yeah, i love it. I listen to it more than any other Radiohead album. And I have done for ages, yeah.

00:20:01.18
Gareth Flavell: Shit.

00:20:02.65
Flav: It's brilliant. So good. now Anyway… okay

00:20:07.87
Gareth Flavell: What?

00:20:09.87
Flav: It's good. Because Kid A and Amnesiac, essentially, they were released within the same year. It might have been even been months apart. And they're supposed to be together as a a combined thing. And they actually but later on released them as a combined album.

00:20:23.16
Gareth Flavell: what

00:20:24.34
Flav: But yeah, Kid A and Amnesiac. They're like… Amnesiac is like an extension of Kid A.

00:20:32.17
Gareth Flavell: I didn't know that.

00:20:33.50
Flav: Yeah. If you go on Spotify, there's a there's one of the albums is… ah see How is it called? It's just Kid A slash Amnesiac or something similar to those effects.

00:20:46.61
Gareth Flavell: I'll have a look at that. The um little were bit of housekeeping. There is a ah dilemma update we've had, right?

00:20:53.93
Flav: I

00:20:54.23
Gareth Flavell: Do you remember there was a dilemma called Backstage Blues?

00:20:59.61
Flav: can't remember, remind me.

00:21:00.79
Gareth Flavell: So it was a gentleman who was with his long-term partner. They'd gone see their favorite DJ. They were a bit ah three sheets to the wind. Someone from a v someone from the DJ entourage came through the crowd, gave his missus a VIP backstage wristband.

00:21:18.81
Flav: Ah, yeah, and she went and left him.

00:21:19.19
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:22.20
Flav: Yeah, i remember, yeah.

00:21:23.45
Gareth Flavell: That's the one.

00:21:24.25
Flav: Yeah.

00:21:25.24
Gareth Flavell: Hello lads, me again from the backstage blues dilemma. Just wanted to update. Me and the missus spoke and moved past it. She was truly sorry for what she caused.

00:21:37.18
Gareth Flavell: Think I just needed an outside, unbiased opinion for reassurance. I have a great relationship. Thank you for helping me not screw it up. I've also quit smoking and vaping. Oh, fuck you. ah Fuck, i didn't read that.

00:21:52.83
Gareth Flavell: Latinon is helping me through the irritability and cravings.

00:21:54.90
Flav: ah

00:21:56.15
Gareth Flavell: Thank you. P.S. That Flav is a great guest. You should get him on more often.

00:22:01.43
Flav: This is ah that's a, that's a joke that's a hangover.

00:22:01.53
Gareth Flavell: Okay. Yes.

00:22:04.85
Flav: Do you know this? It's a hangover from Jaffan.

00:22:06.17
Gareth Flavell: No.

00:22:08.89
Flav: The joke is that I'm a guest on James's channel.

00:22:11.70
Gareth Flavell: is it really?

00:22:12.09
Flav: ra

00:22:12.87
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:22:12.82
Flav: Rather than a podcast. Yeah, rather than rather than it being our podcast, I'm a guest on his podcast.

00:22:18.97
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:22:19.18
Flav: That's the joke.

00:22:20.31
Gareth Flavell: ah Because someone mentioned it last week as well, and I didn't twig.

00:22:24.54
Flav: Yeah, I didn't hear it last week, but that's what it was.

00:22:26.52
Gareth Flavell: Right, okay, right, okay. I like that, I like that. um We are still getting people that are sending in ah to the feature, don't listen. We have this week's don't listen.

00:22:39.71
Gareth Flavell: Play it in one second. What this is?

00:22:41.02
Flav: Last week, woman was fudding herself off.

00:22:43.19
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I couldn't believe that. I listened back to that as well, and I was like, there were there was, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:46.46
Flav: Did you get a twinge?

00:22:50.75
Flav: Yeah, little twins.

00:22:51.48
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah.

00:22:51.70
Flav: I don't know what you're like.

00:22:53.43
Gareth Flavell: Well, yeah, course.

00:22:54.29
Flav: What'd you do?

00:22:55.35
Gareth Flavell: Oh, I didn't do anything. No, yeah God, no. Because if there's us two laughing in it as well. Because I didn't know what was happening, first of all.

00:23:00.02
Flav: The thing is…

00:23:03.03
Flav: i

00:23:03.10
Gareth Flavell: There was a first noise and we were, like, talking and I was like, did I just… And then another faint one came through and then I was like, fuck, is that…

00:23:08.73
Flav: Yeah.

00:23:11.29
Flav: So, like, in my opinion, what is it cheating if you knock one out to that?

00:23:15.78
Gareth Flavell: No.

00:23:17.84
Flav: No?

00:23:18.55
Gareth Flavell: Well, I mean, like it's like saying if you knock one out to porn…

00:23:22.04
Flav: Yeah, but that someone who listens to the podcast is some sort of different. Like, your wife, your missus wouldn't be happy if you did that. And you haven't done that.

00:23:29.61
Gareth Flavell: Mmm.

00:23:30.22
Flav: You haven't done that. Let's be clear.

00:23:31.05
Gareth Flavell: Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

00:23:31.14
Flav: but like

00:23:32.35
Gareth Flavell: Nah. nay

00:23:35.22
Flav: Like, what if like your missus received a a voice note of some man getting fudding, like, wanking, going, oh, oh. Would you be okay with her?

00:23:44.18
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:23:45.21
Flav: ah Would you be okay with listening?

00:23:48.54
Gareth Flavell: Well, I mean, that's the thing is, right, we could, like, that person, whoever sent that in, that could have been another recording from an audio from a video or whatever.

00:23:58.61
Flav: Of course. Yeah, of course.

00:24:00.09
Gareth Flavell: So we don't know. But, ah so I wouldn't have said that, but now you mention it, I still don't think it. So that's fine.

00:24:09.18
Flav: Okay, fine.

00:24:09.96
Gareth Flavell: um So this feature, don't listen, flap out out request that anyone can have their time in the sun, If they send us an audio and all you have to do is label it, don't listen.

00:24:24.93
Flav: Yep.

00:24:25.08
Gareth Flavell: We won't listen. stays under a minute and it could be a recording of whatever you like.

00:24:27.10
Flav: We never do.

00:24:31.33
Gareth Flavell: And we will play it live on the podcast. what we would you know Our one request is no kind of racism, homophobia, any of that stuff.

00:24:42.30
Gareth Flavell: But good, clean fun, really, is what we request. And we're going to play one now, and neither of us have listened. We've got no idea what is coming, so enjoy this.

00:25:43.42
Flav: you.

00:26:04.92
Gareth Flavell: Very nice.

00:26:04.89
Flav: wonder yeah I wonder if there's anybody who listens to doesn't listen to the fighting cock and listens to this. There may be people's like wives and stuff.

00:26:12.57
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:26:13.68
Flav: I don't know if we can go into that story once again.

00:26:17.69
Gareth Flavell: Well, I mean, it's just a, let's just say it's a story that Flav has cooked up, whereby that Tottenham's chairman, Daniel Levy, for Tottenham to get, well, for the fans to get their own way.

00:26:29.86
Gareth Flavell: ah Yeah, the chairman has his wicked way with me in a travel lodge.

00:26:29.94
Flav: More players. just get more players.

00:26:35.13
Flav: ah

00:26:37.51
Gareth Flavell: I think it's a travel lodge in Watford.

00:26:38.71
Flav: in well

00:26:44.15
Flav: Yeah. And he basically, you yeah you're completely naked and he's got his suit on.

00:26:48.63
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:26:49.13
Flav: And he pokes his willy for ease fly.

00:26:50.78
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Erection through flies. Cause he's got, he's got no time.

00:26:52.50
Flav: um you And he hoists you up.

00:26:54.02
Gareth Flavell: He's a businessman. say ah yeah.

00:26:57.28
Flav: Your your legs around his waist.

00:26:59.00
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:26:59.93
Flav: And yo he puts you up against the door.

00:27:00.06
Gareth Flavell: um

00:27:03.42
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:27:05.91
Flav: And he starts having his way with you, Ricky.

00:27:07.42
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. And then, and then my, my, my legs and arms ah wrapped around him tighter and tighter, like an anaconda.

00:27:08.47
Flav: bouncing Bouncing you on him.

00:27:16.66
Flav: Yeah. yeah

00:27:20.06
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:27:20.06
Flav: And what do you whisper in his ear?

00:27:21.94
Gareth Flavell: I can't say this bit. I enjoy the joke up to this point because this bit just makes me, i can't, I can't do it. Yeah, go on, you do it.

00:27:30.62
Flav: He whispers in your I'm going to make you come, Daniel.

00:27:30.88
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:39.83
Gareth Flavell: ah deary maid it

00:27:40.02
Flav: Oh, yeah. And most people won't know that there was a second meeting, this time with Igor Tudor, that he was disgusted with your little naked body.

00:27:46.46
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:27:49.88
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:27:50.33
Flav: And like a big ogre, he threw your body like a baby at the wall. Yeah, yeah good stuff.

00:27:58.62
Gareth Flavell: Oh, dearie me. Well, thank you for that voice note. Good, good voice note.

00:28:01.09
Flav: Yeah.

00:28:02.02
Gareth Flavell: And what what a lovely person that the that that old lady had locked her car keys in her door and you took her back home to go and get the spare one, even though she just listened to, you know, that story there.

00:28:02.14
Flav: Yeah.

00:28:09.40
Flav: Yeah. Good lad.

00:28:14.04
Flav: Yeah.

00:28:15.74
Gareth Flavell: um

00:28:16.06
Flav: Oh, oh, oh.

00:28:17.59
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:28:19.70
Flav: Oh, oh. Wrecky, wrecky, wrecky, wrecky, wreck, wreck, wreck.

00:28:23.19
Gareth Flavell: yeah Oh, my God, that is disgusting.

00:28:27.58
Flav: I can't remember.

00:28:30.14
Gareth Flavell: Do you know what we're talking about today? i can't remember. No, I'm only joking. It is… Well, I was going to say the world's most bizarre stories, but i don't know if it's the world… And i don't know if they're the most bizarre, but I've kind of got some stories and they're just sentences and paragraphs because I'm not going to read everything out.

00:28:48.28
Gareth Flavell: And I'm quite glad we've started with this first one because this took Britain by storm when it came out. And there were still a kind of ah the stones that are unturned, but it is believed to be a bit. I'll just read it out.

00:29:06.42
Gareth Flavell: The Enfield Poltergeist, right?

00:29:09.09
Flav: Oh, yeah.

00:29:09.18
Gareth Flavell: North London family claimed their house was haunted by a violent poltergeist. Furniture moved, voices echoed through the walls, and one daughter was alleged allegedly levitated.

00:29:21.58
Gareth Flavell: Even journalists and police officers reported strange events. Proper can't sleep after watching the documentary type of stuff. Now,

00:29:33.37
Gareth Flavell: I mean, you've just laid your cards on the table about orbs and ghosts, but you you remember back to this, and especially, you know, the documentary that we that we both know. What was it called again?

00:29:44.38
Flav: um Ghostwatch.

00:29:45.98
Gareth Flavell: Yes.

00:29:46.84
Flav: Yeah, Ghostwatch was a dramatization or… like Well, now it'd be known as a mockumentary, but but but there weren't they certainly weren't common back then.

00:29:51.78
Gareth Flavell: Mockumentary, yeah.

00:29:56.18
Flav: And it would have been like 1985, 1986, maybe. Maybe little bit maybe in 19…

00:29:59.72
Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

00:30:00.12
Flav: maybe maybe a little bit old look maybe it was nineteen ninety I don't know exactly when it was, but it came out and it was essentially mockumentary based on the Enfield poltergeist. The Enfield poltergeist is known around the world, which is weird because Enfield is just an unassuming little suburb in in north northwest northeast London.

00:30:17.94
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:18.52
Flav: um And yeah, so Ghostwatch did a dramatization or a mockumentary about that, but they passed it off as if it was real.

00:30:32.82
Flav: And so we were watching it and we were watching it. It's like, oh my God, this is the scariest thing as well. So they've got a live camera and it's filmed as live.

00:30:40.28
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:30:41.11
Flav: And the these kids are sort of levitating and they're they're getting scratches all over them. And you're hearing you're hearing the the ghost talk on the pipes.

00:30:47.08
Gareth Flavell: Oh my god.

00:30:51.23
Gareth Flavell: Pipes.

00:30:52.19
Flav: Yeah.

00:30:52.38
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:30:53.30
Flav: Shut up. That's what said. you remember?

00:30:55.48
Gareth Flavell: Yes. Yes. Yes.

00:30:56.05
Flav: Told him to shut up. Shut up. Shut up. And they were really clever because the camera would pan around and in the curtain you'd see an out print of a man.

00:31:03.61
Gareth Flavell: yes yes

00:31:05.18
Flav: really It was really good. And I mean, I'd i'd watch it again.

00:31:09.59
Gareth Flavell: I mean, a for one of the, I think we did an episode. I don't know if we did it specifically on the end for, ah and on the end for all ghost watch, but it was part of it. And I did watch it back. Uh, and I still was like fast forwarding bits and looking away from the screen. Cause it is fucking, I remember watching at the time and it was horrible, but right.

00:31:29.53
Gareth Flavell: I mean, this is a bizarre story because it says that journalists and police reported on strange events as well as the family, but there was also embellished parts as well that they knew were hoaxy.

00:31:36.95
Flav: Yeah.

00:31:42.14
Gareth Flavell: But what, what like, is it, we've spoken quite a lot, right, on, like, last week, ah simulation theory, we've spoken about space, multi-dimensions, and just weird goings on.

00:31:56.31
Flav: yeah

00:31:59.48
Gareth Flavell: Where are you with these types of stories? Because we had a chat, didn't we, during the week? I don't if it was on this podcast or if it was on WhatsApp. I can't remember now. About your house.

00:32:11.58
Gareth Flavell: Your new house.

00:32:12.30
Flav: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:13.66
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:32:13.78
Flav: but Wait, it was on…

00:32:15.10
Gareth Flavell: Was it on this?

00:32:15.90
Flav: Yeah, I think it was on something. I don't remember.

00:32:19.13
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:32:19.21
Flav: don't remember. We speak so often. and ah can't remember when I spoke so much about it. but Yeah, there's like mike there's some really creepy stuff going on in our house.

00:32:27.08
Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

00:32:28.09
Flav: Um… Well, say creepy. It's only creepy if you if you're scared, isn't it? It's not… I don't even… Like, stuff's happened I can't explain. But I don't believe in ghosts. So it's not ghosts. It's something else.

00:32:43.07
Flav: But other people do think it's ghosts. But what i um I will refuse to be scared ghosts 44. It's one of the most pathetic things you could ever be.

00:32:55.03
Gareth Flavell: Right. Okay. I mean, I will never, ever have a but bad word to say about ghosts because… I'm looking around at the moment and if there is anything, you know, if there are any kind of vibrations or energy or different dimensions or whatever, I don't want to kind of antagonize.

00:33:16.63
Gareth Flavell: So I will just say that there are, there's a possibility. Actually, one of my favorite stories from doing this podcast and where I, what, do you mean?

00:33:25.34
Flav: Who do you think you are, Rick? Who do you think you are? Well, they' they've gone through. They understand what the afterlife is and they think, right, we're going to get Ricky because he doesn't believe we're real.

00:33:36.18
Gareth Flavell: Well, not that i Yeah, when you put it like that, it's a bit…

00:33:43.19
Flav: Show me any documented proof that that there is any afterlife. Just show me something and that I can believe. Just show me something.

00:33:50.39
Gareth Flavell: yeah There were some books and images when we were younger, quite iconic images that like still burnt in my brain,

00:33:54.07
Flav: Yeah, I remember them.

00:33:57.43
Gareth Flavell: right And I can't get away from those. So I will never kind of, bit but I will never put my hands up like you are doing right now and being like, mate, whatever you've got, come at me because there is no, sounds and sounds like it.

00:34:08.45
Flav: i'm not I'm not saying come at me, I'm just saying not scared.

00:34:11.29
Gareth Flavell: Oh, look look at you.

00:34:11.51
Flav: All right, then.

00:34:12.31
Gareth Flavell: I'm not scared.

00:34:12.54
Flav: All right.

00:34:12.89
Gareth Flavell: Look at him.

00:34:14.58
Flav: Prove to me you exist right now. Or this at three o'clock in the morning tonight, right? Prove to me then if you want to. If it has to be three o'clock, prove it to me then.

00:34:24.79
Gareth Flavell: How can you, how can those words leave your mouth? You are a madman.

00:34:27.45
Flav: Because I legitimately, legitimately impossible for ghosts to exist.

00:34:34.97
Gareth Flavell: ah what What am i god

00:34:35.51
Flav: Prove it to me. These are the list of things, sorry, Rick, that have happened in my house. um The smell of um incense in my office.

00:34:46.52
Flav: Strong smell of incense.

00:34:48.98
Gareth Flavell: I? Sorry, the the office you're sitting in now or at home?

00:34:51.26
Flav: No, no, home.

00:34:52.57
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

00:34:52.66
Flav: It's not an office. It's actually just a bedroom, but I don't know why we just call it that. ah So walking, footsteps.

00:35:01.92
Gareth Flavell: Oh,

00:35:02.71
Flav: Bear in mind the house is detached. It's not connected to another house. um Will was in bed and heard footprints footsteps in the attic above his room, which is directly above his room.

00:35:15.44
Gareth Flavell: God.

00:35:15.86
Flav: And we have a staircase that goes up to the attic. And there's nothing in the attic.

00:35:18.26
Gareth Flavell: Oh, God.

00:35:20.79
Flav: It's just floorboards. So we haven't done anything. We haven't finished um working on it yet. So what I saw was when I came up the stairs to the kids, are basically there a staircase that leads to two bedrooms and a small shower room, right?

00:35:36.79
Flav: So we've gone up there, the shower room light was on and there was somebody or something behind the door, the crack in the door. like You know the conventional horror movie you see a shadow through the door?

00:35:47.22
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah

00:35:49.69
Flav: it was um It was something that was moving behind it. And I opened the door and there was nothing in there. um Ollie's heard teacups being placed down in the, not like old fashioned China, not what we have.

00:36:02.55
Gareth Flavell: yeah.

00:36:04.09
Flav: Yeah, so those are the things that have happened thus far.

00:36:06.97
Gareth Flavell: and Yeah. And you're you're okay? Like, it just try doesn't bother you because it's not real? Right, okay, that's interesting.

00:36:14.26
Flav: Yeah.

00:36:17.52
Flav: Mate, I want it to be real.

00:36:17.82
Gareth Flavell: i' Mate, I'd have to leave the house.

00:36:20.98
Flav: No.

00:36:21.18
Gareth Flavell: i'd like Even though I've paid all this money, we now have to leave.

00:36:26.01
Flav: And and and and you out of the corner of your eye, you do see things like moving and stuff like that, like like it's a shadow. But it's all, it's all

00:36:33.02
Gareth Flavell: That is ridiculous.

00:36:35.83
Flav: because we know, we've all talked about it. We're seeing, looking for things, subconsciously looking for things that are just not there.

00:36:41.02
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. One of my favourite stories…

00:36:44.65
Flav: And if they are, what can I do about it? I'm going to sit there and be scared every night when I go to bed.

00:36:48.82
Gareth Flavell: Can you not get like a…

00:36:48.91
Flav: Someone

00:36:50.40
Gareth Flavell: What do you call it? An exorcist type character in.

00:36:56.84
Flav: from the church maybe come and bless the house or some shit.

00:37:00.66
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, dash holy water all over the gaff.

00:37:01.48
Flav: Ollie's been walking around. Ollie does believe in all this shit.

00:37:04.49
Gareth Flavell: Well, there you go.

00:37:05.43
Flav: Yeah.

00:37:06.09
Gareth Flavell: One of my favorite stories that you ever told on this pod, and I had no idea about it is when you used to, when you were younger and you hide under the covers when you were scared of ghosts and you got your your family, the army of ghosts.

00:37:16.63
Flav: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All my older dead all the dead ones.

00:37:19.89
Gareth Flavell: LAUGHTER

00:37:21.82
Flav: Could you protect me against the ghosts? Yeah, when I was a kid, I was well scared, yeah. It was like, I'd go Nanny Betty, Andrew, Grandad Sid, um Uncle Bill, um just list them all off. Anyone dead I knew.

00:37:38.94
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:37:39.18
Flav: Nanny Margaret. ah could you just like make sure protect me against the ghosts?

00:37:46.36
Gareth Flavell: You…

00:37:46.39
Flav: That's what I used

00:37:46.80
Gareth Flavell: Maybe you need to do that for this house.

00:37:52.13
Flav: say. I think at 44, even if the ghosts are proved to be real, what what what is there to be afraid of?

00:37:59.16
Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

00:37:59.90
Flav: If they're like poltergeists and shit's flying across the room and shit, then that is that would scare me that instance.

00:38:04.79
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:38:06.33
Flav: But the fact that poltergeists cannot exist means that it will never happen.

00:38:11.42
Gareth Flavell: I mean, you could be, what what imagine, woke woken up, middle of the night, you're bent over the bed, getting bummed out by a poltergeist, and your missus sat upright, tore watching happen.

00:38:19.07
Flav: Yeah.

00:38:22.07
Flav: She'll never be able to look at me in same way again.

00:38:23.48
Gareth Flavell: No, no, and she wouldn't able to see anything. she's just be seeing you jerking up and down, getting terrorised over the bed.

00:38:30.55
Flav: There was a film called The Entity in the…

00:38:32.54
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I remember you told me about this.

00:38:32.80
Flav: set

00:38:34.02
Gareth Flavell: I i never watched it. No way.

00:38:35.42
Flav: The ghosts would have sex with women, basically.

00:38:39.06
Gareth Flavell: Jesus Christ.

00:38:40.34
Flav: Yeah.

00:38:41.69
Gareth Flavell: Right. Okay. Right. Okay. Right.

00:38:42.87
Flav: but So the end the case in point of the Enfield Postgeist is that most of it it was seen to be embellished and over the top.

00:38:43.25
Gareth Flavell: Ghost.

00:38:49.88
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:38:51.27
Flav: So everything else is probably explained away by in other ways. I don't want to, mate. I would love the idea of some sort of afterlife happen.

00:38:58.81
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:38:58.78
Flav: I genuinely would prefer that to where I am right now, which is there's nothing. So I'd be excited more than anything. There just is no proof. It's why a telepathy thing blew my mind.

00:39:10.58
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:39:11.45
Flav: But people, someone poo-pooed it, and I understand it, because I think it's much more likely, I think we talked about this, it's much more likely that the whole thing is a setup than they're actually being able to, that telepathy exists. But…

00:39:24.49
Gareth Flavell: Because I listened one of the tapes, I think. And the bit where it got me was um them not being able to submit it scientifically because of something or other.

00:39:40.71
Flav: wasn't it it's the controlled It wasn't a controlled environment.

00:39:43.10
Gareth Flavell: Something like that, yeah.

00:39:44.09
Flav: Yeah.

00:39:44.89
Gareth Flavell: And I was a bit like, yeah.

00:39:44.89
Flav: um So, look, you have to choose whether to believe it or not. And the likelihood is that it's all set up.

00:39:50.14
Gareth Flavell: Right, okay.

00:39:50.17
Flav: Because how can telepathy exist?

00:39:54.52
Gareth Flavell: yeah i Yeah, I mean, I don't know. this is this is the…

00:39:59.64
Flav: did you Did you listen to the podcast?

00:40:01.56
Gareth Flavell: i listened to one episode.

00:40:03.13
Flav: So it gets more mental. or The Telepathy Tapes podcast. It's been listened to millions of people. was a massive, massive deal.

00:40:07.16
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:08.95
Flav: It gets even more mental. So basically they they focus on kids with non-verbal autism. let's get Occasionally a couple that are verbal but not. It's more of the kind of, you know, autism is a slight sliding scale depending on and you can be wherever you are in it.

00:40:24.44
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:40:25.27
Flav: The kids that they worked with were non-verbal, so at one end of the scale. um And they found this play where they would talk about this place called The Hill.

00:40:36.79
Flav: And the hill is where when they would meditate or fall asleep, they would all meet up in this sort of world. this It's like a may imagine like an internet chat room, but it exists in their minds.

00:40:49.14
Flav: And they would all meet there and they would share information with each other that there's no way that they would know.

00:40:57.22
Gareth Flavell: Right.

00:40:57.43
Flav: unless they'd actually been talking to them. So they didn't know each other in real life, but they would go to the hill, all these non-verbal autistic kids, to to communicate with each other.

00:41:08.02
Gareth Flavell: I mean, it sounds… I can't say that it sounds plausible because we we you know there's no record of it. like We can't record and measure it and stuff like that.

00:41:17.62
Flav: Let's…

00:41:20.41
Gareth Flavell: But how do these things… how you Do you see the news yesterday dropped? This has happened twice now with this podcast. One about space when we're saying we've never been back there. Fucking week later.

00:41:30.97
Gareth Flavell: Oh, by the way, we're off to space. See you in a bit. Great. And then we were talking last week about… um Fuck, what was it called again?

00:41:42.04
Gareth Flavell: The… What theory was it

00:41:46.51
Flav: I don't know. I can't remember.

00:41:47.32
Gareth Flavell: um Anyway, we're talking about no the Neuralink from Elon Musk.

00:41:51.29
Flav: ah Yeah, yeah. I watched Mass last night, did you?

00:41:54.14
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, and he's come out again with his Neuralink saying that they they've they've created this chip for the brain and he was he was saying it can give humans godlike powers.

00:42:08.14
Flav: does that even mean?

00:42:09.34
Gareth Flavell: Well, I mean, it sounds good. I'm sold. I want a Neuralink.

00:42:15.31
Flav: He's an odd man.

00:42:16.38
Gareth Flavell: He is an odd man.

00:42:18.54
Flav: It's weird. He can do some really good stuff. like The Neuralink stuff is, I think that's the next step, right? the next thing of in evolving as a human being is using technology to make our lives better.

00:42:29.94
Flav: But especially people have suffered injury and in making their life better, that's such a good thing. But then he's just gone mental and bought Twitter.

00:42:35.77
Gareth Flavell: He was saying…

00:42:38.12
Flav: That's where it all started to wrong, I think, when he bought Twitter. Yeah.

00:42:42.36
Gareth Flavell: people that cur that have never been able to see can see again people that have never been able to walk can walk that that's that's what he's claiming and it's all types of things like that so I was like okay fair enough right let's move on from that I want to say another kind of inexplicable thing the beast of Bodmin Moor do you know of this

00:42:49.82
Flav: Is that true? Yeah.

00:43:09.02
Flav: Yeah. Yeah.

00:43:10.46
Gareth Flavell: For decades, people in Cornwall have claimed to see a giant black panther roaming the moors. Livestock deaths, blurry photos, mysterious track.

00:43:22.07
Gareth Flavell: And it's, you know, they call it Britain's answer to Bigfoot. Now, we are, I would say we're both kind of um wildlife enthusiasts.

00:43:34.81
Gareth Flavell: Not to the point where we're like writing down about birds and shit like that, but… How pro plausible is Big Cats on moors in England?

00:43:45.20
Flav: I think not very plausible.

00:43:48.86
Gareth Flavell: Do you not think?

00:43:48.82
Flav: I mean, not no. You would find skulls or you'd find bones, right? You'd find evidence of it.

00:44:00.76
Flav: There might be cats, at ah a big cat, and someone's gone back to the pub and gone, I've just seen this. you know It just gets embeett embellished. But um what are we talking about?

00:44:07.29
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:44:11.29
Flav: Like an escaped jaguar or something like that

00:44:14.74
Gareth Flavell: yeah I mean, i don't know. i So ah I went for a walk down the river yesterday. Something caught the corner of my eye. It looked like a cat, a black cat, green eyes, but a lot bigger, like straight up before even this. And carry on looking through, like staring through the bushes and stuff like that. And I didn't see it, but it did feel at that time that I'd seen something quite big.

00:44:39.19
Gareth Flavell: obviously mind paying tricks on me i also remember actually when i fucking haven't thought about this in years i went to a wedding and it was in these lovely manor grounds right and whilst i was there i was very inebriated i had some had a little puff of the mary joanna and

00:44:58.97
Flav: o I've

00:45:00.98
Gareth Flavell: The lad I was with, we saw this rabbit, right? And everyone was… to ah We thought it was a rabbit, but this rabbit was, like, supersized. It was the biggest rabbit I've ever seen.

00:45:12.86
Flav: seen those massive ones.

00:45:12.99
Gareth Flavell: it It was like a dog, honestly. it was It was genuinely like a dog. And people were saying, what you've seen is a monk jack deer. They're everywhere here.

00:45:23.48
Flav: ah Yeah, yeah.

00:45:24.92
Gareth Flavell: But I swear I saw a big rabbit. Like, I could have… If someone said… On your family's life, did you see a monk jack deer or a rabbit? I would have said, it was a rabbit.

00:45:34.07
Flav: I didn't know what monk deer was before I moved down here. was like, um ah ah don't they don't look like rabbits, to be fair. You can say like a small dog or something like that. They definitely don't look like a rabbit.

00:45:46.49
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, but yeah I was fucked up as well, so

00:45:48.94
Flav: All right. I was just, it was interesting. um i was just looking that the the kind of reasons for the but the beast of Bodmin and why it exists, people think it was like a massive black cat, like a ah like a leopard or a jaguar or or a puma.

00:46:06.78
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:46:07.48
Flav: It says, before the list this legislation, it was legal to keep exotic big cats as pets in the yeah UK before 1976's Dangerous Wild Animals Act. When the strict licensing laws were implemented, some owners chose to release their pumas or leopards into the wild to avoid them by being euthanised.

00:46:25.00
Flav: Zoo directors have claimed since claimed that packs of pumas may have been released from regional menageries during this era. So there may have been big cats that people released in Cornwall who have since died and the the sort of that the story goes on there's apparently in 1995 the Fowey skull less than a week after the government denial a boy discovers a large cat skull on the banks of the river Fowey excitement peaks until the natural history movement determines it belongs to an imported leopard skin rug yeah

00:46:55.40
Gareth Flavell: Here we go.

00:47:05.05
Gareth Flavell: okay Well, think i think

00:47:08.09
Flav: most of these things are bullshit in there

00:47:09.88
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Have you ever heard of the um the story of um in Afghanistan, the the the giant men, the giant people that live in live in the caves?

00:47:21.00
Flav: Yeah.

00:47:22.60
Gareth Flavell: So there is this, I mean, it's exactly what that is. i don't know too much about it, but there is these kind of like, um it's known to the people of Afghan,

00:47:27.13
Flav: yeah

00:47:32.18
Gareth Flavell: that there are giant men, like 10 foot, 12 foot men that live in these caves. And they've been seen, they've been spotted, they've been photographed. And apparently when they there's a case when ah America and Britain invaded Afghanistan, that one of these men were actually captured and taken away.

00:47:53.98
Gareth Flavell: But, you know, he's probably living in Area 51 with the UFOs scotching there.

00:47:59.35
Flav: Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of bullshit.

00:48:03.33
Gareth Flavell: Bullshit. Right. Okay.

00:48:04.44
Flav: what about

00:48:04.62
Gareth Flavell: Fair enough.

00:48:05.24
Flav: What about um about Bigfoot? Bullshit as well, isn't it?

00:48:09.53
Gareth Flavell: Well, do you sit ye think, you think?

00:48:11.50
Flav: Yeah. They'd have more than… They'd have more… They'd have more fucking evidence if he exists. It's a giant fucking grizzly bear thing walking around the woods. Of course it's not. They would have seen it again.

00:48:26.90
Gareth Flavell: but yeah What about the, uh, the tracks, the paws, the hair that they found? all these different things. But I kind of like with Bigfoot, I am more of the um kind of thinking that it's it's a bit of a hoaxy type, bear type.

00:48:47.54
Gareth Flavell: i don't I don't really believe Bigfoot exists.

00:48:50.26
Flav: No, like the video, you remember the video from, it was just a bloke in a suit walking.

00:48:54.26
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

00:48:56.50
Flav: People want to believe, they want to be amazed and they want something to they want the unknown to be real because it gives them faith that there might be something else.

00:49:07.19
Flav: um But it's nonsense, isn't it? Like the Loch Ness Monster, Loch Ness Monster, also complete nonsense.

00:49:10.55
Gareth Flavell: Right, okay, what about…

00:49:15.50
Gareth Flavell: Don't say that.

00:49:16.02
Flav: What it is!

00:49:18.87
Gareth Flavell: Can it not be hiding in the depths of the lock?

00:49:21.64
Flav: It is quite deep, as they say.

00:49:23.22
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it's very deep. I think they've done… It's weird, isn't it, right, how… it's I kind of feel like it's like wrestling, that it's we kind of know that it's not there…

00:49:36.25
Gareth Flavell: but we're making believe to carry on tradition, tourism, like, yeah, well, it's not hurting anyone, is it?

00:49:42.18
Flav: It's quite a nice, isn't it? It's a nice thing to believe in. I wouldn't… Not really. And you want it to be real. or I used to be fascinated with it a lot this monster when I was a kid. Loved it.

00:49:51.83
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:49:53.11
Flav: um So, yeah, and it's it creates industry, local industry. And every now and then you get and another a picture or someone's seen a shape and everyone gets excited.

00:50:03.87
Gareth Flavell: I like it.

00:50:04.50
Flav: Yeah, i mean, there's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with it.

00:50:07.00
Gareth Flavell: ah I think there's been some pretty extensive scientific research of radars bouncing and scanning lake beds and stuff like that where…

00:50:14.90
Flav: yeah yeah Yeah, they can scan the whole fucking thing.

00:50:17.24
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, where that I don't think he might be hiding. Okay, what about this one?

00:50:21.99
Flav: Go on.

00:50:23.06
Gareth Flavell: ah The Dyatlov Pass incident, right?

00:50:27.79
Flav: Go on, don't know what that is.

00:50:28.70
Gareth Flavell: Okay. Nine experienced this happened in Russia. Nine experienced hikers fled their tent barefoot in sub-zero temperatures before mysteriously dying in the mountains. Strange injuries, missing tongues, and radiation traces.

00:50:48.48
Gareth Flavell: It's one of the most creepiest unsolved cases ever. Like, what happened there? i mean, it's like… That's, that okay, that's that's no ghost.

00:51:01.62
Flav: Yeah.

00:51:01.81
Gareth Flavell: That's no fucking Bodmin Moor. And this, nine hikers, sub-zero conditions, left their tent, everything was on fire, everything was going nice, found barefoot, tongues missing.

00:51:19.39
Flav: I don't know.

00:51:20.28
Gareth Flavell: You don't know.

00:51:21.11
Flav: but what I don't think it's a ghost, but ah something bad happened to him for sure. Like, did you see the other day, which is a bit more based in reality? Did that actually happen?

00:51:31.52
Flav: It 100% happened.

00:51:31.90
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah yeah yeah yeah

00:51:33.78
Flav: What's it called?

00:51:34.68
Gareth Flavell: ah I can't pronounce it. D-Y-A-T-L-O-V.

00:51:38.86
Flav: D-Y.

00:51:42.33
Gareth Flavell: Pass. Incident.

00:51:45.37
Flav: um Did you see a man was prosecuted for leaving his wife on the top of a hill where when the weather came in and she died? And he went to get help.

00:51:52.92
Gareth Flavell: What?

00:51:55.70
Flav: Just recently, is because he left his wife to die, basically.

00:52:00.70
Gareth Flavell: That's mean, isn't it?

00:52:01.91
Flav: but Someone's got go and get help.

00:52:04.44
Gareth Flavell: Oh, is that what happened?

00:52:05.78
Flav: I don't know the details of it. Anyway, Detelov Pass incident. The Detelov Pass incident is one of the most famous unsolved mysteries in the 20th century. In February 1959, nine experienced heisters from the Ural Polytechnic Institute died in northern Ural Mountains under bizarre and terrifying circumstances.

00:52:22.78
Flav: Their expedition was led by Igor Detelov. yeah tiatlov which is why the Arabian was known as the Dyatlov Pass. The group set up camp on the slope of the mountain called Kalyat Shackle.

00:52:39.29
Flav: The name roughly translates from the local Mansi language as Dead Mountain. and the hunkers When the hikers failed to return, search parties found their tent cut open from the inside. Footprints showing they'd fled barefoot or lightly dressed in freezing temperatures.

00:52:55.67
Flav: Bodies scattered across the snow and forest. Some of the victims appearing to have died of hypothermia. Others with severe internal injuries including crushed ribs and skull fractures. One woman was missing her tongue. Traces of radiation was found on some clothing.

00:53:14.39
Gareth Flavell: I mean, that is tough to explain, isn't it?

00:53:15.28
Flav: Tough to explain.

00:53:18.30
Flav: Some of the theories are… ah

00:53:22.97
Flav: A avalanche.

00:53:25.72
Gareth Flavell: What?

00:53:26.81
Flav: Yeah. Caused panic in the tent, forcing them to escape quickly in brutal conditions in 2021 Russian authorities officially concluded the avalanche was the likely cause.

00:53:38.14
Gareth Flavell: I don't know if I believe that.

00:53:41.05
Flav: Well…

00:53:41.22
Gareth Flavell: Traces of radiation. It's got to be like the Incredible Hulk type of person walking around Russia, going through people's tents, stealing their tongues, crushing their chests.

00:53:48.70
Flav: Well, an avalanche would explain it wouldn't it?

00:53:52.91
Gareth Flavell: See? Yeah, I've got it. Nailed it. Done.

00:53:55.90
Flav: Hulk. all Alright, you're saying the Hulk I'm going with an avalanche as well.

00:53:58.90
Gareth Flavell: Right, fine. Fair enough.

00:54:00.32
Flav: Well,

00:54:01.55
Gareth Flavell: We've got a few more here. ah that Actually, that there is one. This this isn't like a… It's just a weird freak one that I saw, which I quite liked. So this is the the Navajo blanket.

00:54:15.61
Gareth Flavell: A man watching an episode of Antiques Roadshow noticed a Navajo blanket that closely resembled an an heirloom that his grandmother left him.

00:54:27.32
Gareth Flavell: The textile had simply sat in his closet for many years, completely forgotten. After seeing the television show appraise a similar blanket for 300,000…

00:54:40.98
Gareth Flavell: he quickly decided to get his own item properly authenticated. Experts confirmed its immense historical value as a rare first ah chief's blanket.

00:54:55.16
Gareth Flavell: He put it up for auction where it stalled for $1.5 million. dollars

00:55:00.26
Flav: Oh, shit.

00:55:01.30
Gareth Flavell: Can you imagine what watching fucking Antiques Roadshow, right? And you're like, babe, we got one of those, didn't we? oh gee it's it in the wardrobe? I can't get it. And then, like, this guy was on dis disabilities. He was poor as fuck. He was, like, really, like, living through it.

00:55:19.26
Gareth Flavell: And then that he's got that in his wardrobe. 1.5 milli.

00:55:24.51
Flav: That's incredible.

00:55:25.88
Gareth Flavell: That is incredible.

00:55:25.82
Flav: It's like a dream, isn't It was like when your your sister found like a tin with loads of old 20 pound note banknotes.

00:55:33.88
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, thousands in the new house he just moved into. She took to a bank, changed it up, kept it.

00:55:37.34
Flav: what what What did she do in the end?

00:55:42.39
Flav: So they they allowed us to exchange old currency?

00:55:44.57
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:45.69
Flav: Interesting. like I don't know what what happens then. Does that, like, do they just take that off? Where does that, I guess they just create new money, don't they?

00:55:52.70
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:55:52.67
Flav: don't know. Cause we've got loads of, if anyone knows what to do with this, um we've got loads of old Swiss bank notes that are out of date.

00:56:04.06
Flav: And we'll say loads, probably about 500 quid's worth. But ah b UK banks don't take them. No one takes them. So not quite sure what to do.

00:56:13.62
Gareth Flavell: We've got, um like, my missus old man, he was in the Merchant Navy.

00:56:20.60
Flav: Yeah.

00:56:21.34
Gareth Flavell: when he was younger so he's been to all these countries all around the world so he's got loads of different currency like loads not we're not talking like loads of money in monetary value but as in he's just got loads of old pennies and this and that from south africa from fucking japan from wherever it's pretty cool like some of it must be worth money i i expect but um yeah we don't know what to do with either but what do you do with that

00:56:50.11
Flav: I've got to go to SNB cashier's office in in Zurich.

00:56:57.73
Flav: Or I can post cash for coins. That doesn't sound ah sound good, does it?

00:57:05.22
Gareth Flavell: You ain't getting that. what

00:57:07.57
Flav: says cash for coins, post Swiss franc banknotes. using Royal Mail Tracks to secure a courier and they will transfer the valuation straight into your bank account.

00:57:18.83
Gareth Flavell: Nah.

00:57:18.84
Flav: called Cash for Coins.

00:57:20.31
Gareth Flavell: Nah. They'll never do that. there Sorry, Mr. Flavreau, the money never arrived.

00:57:24.18
Flav: Yeah. is

00:57:28.18
Flav: Yeah, we're called Cash for Coins.

00:57:30.04
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:57:30.58
Flav: That's what I should say at the end. the phone down. All right. all right

00:57:36.47
Gareth Flavell: the The last one that i'll ah that is a bit of a weird one as well. ah The David Sneddon vanishing. In 2004, 24-year-old American student David Sneddon vanished while hiking solo through Yunnan province in southern China.

00:57:56.22
Gareth Flavell: don't pronounced that correctly. Leading officials to presume he had died. However, a stunning twist emerged in 2016 When South Korean intelligence uncovered evidence indicating he was actually alive, reports revealed that Northern Korean agents had abducted Sneddon to serve a specific regime purpose.

00:58:21.98
Gareth Flavell: He was allegedly forced to live in Pyongyang and become the personal English tutor for the young Kim Jong-un. This bizarre kidnapping case exposed to very shocking international reach of state-sponsored abductions. you imagine that?

00:58:39.67
Gareth Flavell: In 2004, you go missing, your family think you're dead, you're in some foothills in China. Then 2016, there's rumours that you're still alive and you've been commandeered by norfo korea North Korea having to fucking teach English.

00:58:54.41
Flav: Mm-hmm.

00:58:56.89
Gareth Flavell: you're not even an English teacher. What am I doing here? He's teaching me English. Mate, I can just talk.

00:59:01.97
Flav: I want to live.

00:59:02.58
Gareth Flavell: I can just speak. like What do you want from me?

00:59:05.37
Flav: um I've got one for you.

00:59:07.06
Gareth Flavell: Good.

00:59:07.58
Flav: Ho Van Lang, known as the real-life Tarzan, lived in the deep forest of central Vietnam's Quang Nguyen

00:59:16.95
Gareth Flavell: Go on.

00:59:18.49
Flav: province for over 40 years. He fled into the jungle with his father, Ho Van Tar, in 1972 after US bombing during the Vietnam War called several members of their family. summary of their incredible survival story covers the following milestones so they lived in isolation for 40 years because they thought the war was still going on

00:59:39.64
Gareth Flavell: Fuck.

00:59:40.43
Flav: hmm

00:59:41.34
Gareth Flavell: did and what and Did he know when he come out? Did he die there? What happened?

00:59:47.10
Flav: I think he died of liver cancer at 52.

00:59:49.80
Gareth Flavell: Oh, that's a shame.

00:59:50.74
Flav: um Hiro Anuda, Japanese Imperial Army soldier who stayed on the Lubang Island in the Philippines for 29 years after World War II concluded, believing the war was not over. He refused to surrender until his former commander formally relieved him of duty in 1974. 29 Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:08.57
Flav: twenty nine years

01:00:08.73
Gareth Flavell: that

01:00:12.23
Gareth Flavell: That's fucking mental. Can you imagine you calling out to him?

01:00:14.01
Flav: yeah

01:00:16.47
Gareth Flavell: David, the war's over. No, no, no, not until, right, years go past have to get his former boss to come back to go to the island.

01:00:19.70
Flav: No.

01:00:24.50
Gareth Flavell: It's over, David. Oh, right. Okay, fine, fine. As you said it, I'll do it. Right, okay. Those have been some ah inexplicable stories, which I want to believe, but I think, you know, Flav's a skeptic until he gets bummed out by a poltergeist tonight.

01:00:42.03
Gareth Flavell: What time did you say? 3 o'clock? 3 a.m.

01:00:44.05
Flav: 3am. Yeah, let me know. hit Hit me up.

01:00:45.31
Gareth Flavell: 3 a.m. Good.

01:00:45.87
Flav: Hit me up.

01:00:46.81
Gareth Flavell: Here you go.

01:00:46.84
Flav: up There's a couple of good news around the world. you want some good news from around the world?

01:00:51.54
Gareth Flavell: Hell yeah, I do.

01:00:52.66
Flav: Malaria vaccine shows real-world life-saving impact.

01:00:56.50
Gareth Flavell: good

01:00:57.11
Flav: um Who updates that the RTS malaria vaccine helped avert an estimated one in eight child deaths among eligible children?

01:01:09.31
Flav: How about the vaccines? Don't take the vaccines. Oh, my God. Fuck's sake. Two, kiwi birds return to New Zealand, the New Zealand capital after a century away.

01:01:22.95
Gareth Flavell: Oh, that's nice.

01:01:24.28
Flav: yep ah Brazil's Atlantic forest shows its lowest deforestation in 40 years.

01:01:32.35
Gareth Flavell: Good.

01:01:33.07
Flav: That's good. ah The world has passed a milestone for ocean protection.

01:01:40.00
Flav: 10% of the ocean is now officially within protected or conserved areas up from 8.6 in 2024.

01:01:47.19
Gareth Flavell: good

01:01:47.14
Flav: That's good. Yep. ah Electric trucks are having a breakout moment. Global led by China.

01:01:56.44
Gareth Flavell: I mean, that's good.

01:01:57.87
Flav: Yep. Yep.

01:01:58.84
Gareth Flavell: but But do we boo it because, you know, it's China.

01:02:01.27
Flav: China. China. ta China.

01:02:02.62
Gareth Flavell: but Yeah, we we we we have China.

01:02:03.14
Flav: Yeah. Yeah.

01:02:05.54
Gareth Flavell: China.

01:02:05.72
Flav: ah yeah um ah yeah All right. Okay. Let's do it. Okay.

01:02:08.82
Gareth Flavell: No, no, no, not saying it.

01:02:10.23
Flav: All right.

01:02:10.58
Gareth Flavell: what It's what we, what we what we ah you know, what we're led to believe.

01:02:10.95
Flav: No, let's celebrate. Let's celebrate.

01:02:14.13
Flav: Yeah, we'll celebrate.

01:02:14.80
Gareth Flavell: China's bad.

01:02:14.75
Flav: We'll celebrate. Yeah, China.

01:02:17.27
Gareth Flavell: I say celebrate it.

01:02:17.43
Flav: Right. Celebrate. celebrate.

01:02:19.52
Gareth Flavell: Celebrate Okay, good. Good. That was good.

01:02:22.11
Flav: Good.

01:02:22.89
Gareth Flavell: That's good. Good news roundup. Okay. We are going to be going on to dilemmas and the dilemma is called follow my dreams, but which dream?

01:02:33.46
Gareth Flavell: And then we've got something only, you know, Greek petting zoo. The topic for next week is going to be Amsterdam.

01:02:44.86
Gareth Flavell: Amsterdam. We fortunately, we, we have a, an Amsterdam pro.

01:02:45.72
Flav: I need to go back. Yeah.

01:02:50.07
Gareth Flavell: Flav. ah

01:02:51.03
Flav: do

01:02:52.79
Gareth Flavell: So what it is now, what it was, the sex, the drugs, the stags, and everything in between, the history, the canals, you name it.

01:03:05.88
Gareth Flavell: Amsterdam is a magnificent place. Been there twice. Had a boo. I'd love to go again, actually, but as a more of a, as an adult, like actually you'll you'll do a lot more explaining about because you have been there many times.

01:03:17.89
Flav: I'm not going anywhere. I'm not going to Amsterdam with you.

01:03:20.69
Gareth Flavell: No, that's fair.

01:03:21.03
Flav: I would love to, but you'd just be fucking walking around everywhere. I'm like, let's sit down. Let's take some mushrooms.

01:03:26.65
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:03:27.56
Flav: Let's just, you know have a spliff, drink some beer.

01:03:29.18
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

01:03:30.26
Flav: You'll be going to No, but I need to see Anne Frank's house. I have to go to Anne Frank's

01:03:33.46
Gareth Flavell: oh I was going to do that joke.

01:03:34.01
Flav: Do you? Do you? What?

01:03:35.67
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I said I was going to that joke.

01:03:37.21
Flav: All right. so I know you.

01:03:37.69
Gareth Flavell: yeah yeah exactly do yeah how long are these mushrooms going to take like how long do i trip for because at 10 past four we we're both booked in to have a vip tour of and frank's and you'll be like

01:03:39.34
Flav: It's not a joke. You would definitely want to go there.

01:03:51.86
Flav: I wouldn't mind tripping and walking around. That would be right. Do both. You do a bit for me and I'll do a bit for you.

01:03:57.05
Gareth Flavell: yeah okay yeah yeah yeah that's fine that's fine

01:04:00.63
Flav: take more and Take more of these, Ricky.

01:04:02.71
Gareth Flavell: so if you

01:04:03.72
Flav: All One more house.

01:04:04.79
Gareth Flavell: If you've got any fun stories on Amsterdam or anything that, you know, is off the beaten track that you've ever visited in Amsterdam, send it in to ladsanonpod at gmail.com and we will, of course, read it out.

01:04:04.86
Flav: One more.

01:04:20.95
Gareth Flavell: Now, we are going to be going on to Dilemmas. Where is the jingle? Um… um

01:04:29.05
Flav: You don't know the jingle, Rick. Do it. The button.

01:04:31.36
Gareth Flavell: Oh, don't know which one it is.

01:04:33.02
Flav: Try. Just guess one.

01:04:34.07
Gareth Flavell: Right, okay, that one.

01:05:04.61
Gareth Flavell: That's such a fucking good jingle.

01:05:06.72
Flav: It's good, isn't it?

01:05:08.23
Gareth Flavell: Follow my dreams, but which dream? Hi Ricky and Flav. Sorry for the late reply. Been trying to keep myself off social media with current events going on and all the racism, etc.

01:05:24.89
Gareth Flavell: I would prefer to keep this anonymous if possible, but to be honest, don't care if you do read my name out. You know the show. This is our 150th episode. We have never dropped, ever dropped anyone's name.

01:05:39.70
Gareth Flavell: Ever. That didn't want to be mentioned. Anyone else listen to this? If you have a dilemma, something only you know, we will never, ever mention your name. Lads Anonymous, it's in the name. You are kept anonymous.

01:05:51.70
Gareth Flavell: Basically, the dilemma I have is one you've already spoken about on the pod regarding careers. When I was 17, I had a couple of weeks work experience with my old man and quickly realized that was my dream job. My dad is my idol and I aspire to be like him.

01:06:08.50
Gareth Flavell: After the work experience, I went and yeah i went to the interview stage, where which ended up going down to the final four, in which required to undergo two interviews. But unfortunately, I wasn't given the job as I was in 18, and they needed to hire two females to reach the male-to-female workplace ratio.

01:06:30.97
Gareth Flavell: Fast forward to now, my old man is due to retire next year and has offered my brothers and me the opportunity to fill in his shoes. However, I'm worried now that from 17 to 25 years old, I've not really done much in my life and probably lost countless brain cells through booze and drugs. My old man is selling the job in the worst way possible because it's a hell of a lot of commitment. The hours are quite unsociable, but the returns in terms of money are absolutely unreal.

01:07:03.90
Gareth Flavell: My issues are that I don't believe i can pass the FCA or FSCA exam. And I've also finally, after several years of chopping and changing jobs, not holding one down longer than three months, I finally found my feet. and have been working with my boss for a year now, and have aspirations of going in on my own and starting my own business, in brackets, window cleaning, but also have several other ideas to go with the business that my boss doesn't and really ah feels I can't truly succeed in. As I say, my dad's job…

01:07:40.22
Gareth Flavell: brackets, stockbroker, like the Wolf of Wall Street, trading metals, etc. is probably my dream job and has very lucrative pay. But I don't know whether to chase my dream of being my own boss, having my own business, or to chase the dream job that might not even be around in a few years. So my question is, do I follow my dream job dreams or my dream of being my own boss and running my own business?

01:08:11.86
Flav: ah

01:08:15.67
Flav: I mean, i can only tell you that my life improved when I started working for myself rather than someone else.

01:08:22.49
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:08:23.03
Flav: And the freedom that I have still have remained to this day and not having to feed into anyone. I'm not essentially making money for someone else. The fact is if you're employed at a company, you should be making them more money than you cost.

01:08:39.79
Flav: That's the whole point.

01:08:39.86
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:08:41.56
Flav: So that means your value is greater, certainly certainly with the support you've been given, than you're being paid. So that always sort of… I understood it. That's the way it's their job.

01:08:51.83
Flav: They create an opportunity for you that you wouldn't otherwise have. But my experience with it was… um As soon as I went on my own, I i became a lot happier and more content. Stop brokering, I'd imagine it's quite a stressful job.

01:09:08.82
Flav: So um why not try out for a year? um where Why not try out you know working for yourself for a year if it is window cleaning? Barriers to entry is quite low, right? So yeah try it out for a year. If you don't like it, then go and do the stop brokering or the all the other way around.

01:09:27.19
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:09:28.18
Flav: I don't think you can lose here.

01:09:29.82
Gareth Flavell: ah Yeah. ah Like my initial thought of… your dad's your idol and you want to follow in his footsteps. You also kind of want to please, you know, your dad as well.

01:09:41.53
Gareth Flavell: Uh, as we all do, we you know, we look for those, um, kind of the adulation from your father, but is it your dream job? And is it not your dad's dream job? That's the, that's where I kind of feel like you need to ask yourself those questions.

01:10:00.56
Gareth Flavell: Um, And you've spoken about how lucrative it is. um Are you just, you know, married to the idea that you're going to have a fuckload of money because it may not even work out that way with all the pressures and stuff like that.

01:10:18.81
Gareth Flavell: And again, you've said, you know, your you your other dream is being your own person, having your own business.

01:10:18.98
Flav: Mm-hmm.

01:10:25.08
Gareth Flavell: an again, i know it's a bit cop-outy, but what, as humans, it's a nice thing to be like, what do you do for a living? I have my own business. I work for myself, ah which is great. But the kind of reality of it is ah how do you get there and how you just how do you sustain it and how do you be consistent in it and how do you still enjoy doing it?

01:10:49.18
Gareth Flavell: um

01:10:51.93
Gareth Flavell: I think, what you know, like what Flav was saying, that like even if you um you were saying that you're nervous about passing the fca and fsca don't you carry on doing your business now the window cleaning and then do those exams and if you do fail those exams doesn't matter how you still got the window cleaning and if you do pass them then maybe take a year out of window cleaning it's going to be there when you get back and try and do the stockbroker thing that would be my only

01:11:07.67
Flav: yeah Yeah, study for him.

01:11:22.81
Gareth Flavell: but my only kind of bit of advice, think about what it is that, is it what you want or is it what your dad wanted for you? and are you wedded to the the more, the money side of it being a stockbroker or is it, you know, your true calling and the whole kind of your own business thing and working for yourself.

01:11:44.48
Gareth Flavell: It's, it is a wonderful thing.

01:11:45.78
Flav: This sends shivers down my my spine. The recruitment process for FCAs. The process consists of four main stages with the assessment centre being the most challenging hurdle.

01:12:00.15
Flav: Online tests, you must complete logical, numerical and situational judgment tests. The logical and and analytical tests are considered the most demanding sections. You're obsessed on how well you understand the FCA's core purpose and regulatory goals.

01:12:13.66
Flav: You must give structured answers and link your reasoning to consumer protection and market integrity. I'm like, fuck this, man.

01:12:19.96
Gareth Flavell: yeah fuck Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:20.05
Flav: I'm going to do the i'm gonna do the old window cleaning.

01:12:23.80
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, exactly.

01:12:25.66
Flav: No, mate, do Ricky's advice about doing the window cleaning and on the side study for your FCA's and then you've got both.

01:12:25.94
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:12:31.54
Flav: You're doing both things. You're satisfying both things.

01:12:33.85
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. There you go. that's ah That's our advice. I hope you find it helpful. We are now going to go into ah something only you know, and it's called Greek petting zoo.

01:12:51.68
Gareth Flavell: Back in the late ninety s early 2000s, I worked in Kavos for five years as a bar manager. Now, all the workers who worked in Kavos for the summer had but had a family mentality and all got along with ah so so the lads.

01:13:07.83
Gareth Flavell: And it was all shagging birds, drinking and playing pranks on each other. One of my mates, who will stay nameless, obviously, but we'll call him Bob,

01:13:18.74
Gareth Flavell: used to work on a party boat and would leave in the morning around 10am taking party going tourists to a lovely island with a blue lagoon.

01:13:26.48
Flav: Nice.

01:13:27.13
Gareth Flavell: They would spend the day there having barbecues, water sports and drinking games a great day out. Bob had left on the boat for his daily boat trip and off he sailed not due back until around 5pm. I was sitting around the pool with a couple of other workers when we had the idea of kidnapping a couple of chickens and putting them in his room for when he got back.

01:13:50.74
Gareth Flavell: This would be hilarious! So off we went in our van to find some chickens in the next village down. We found a little farm looking place and had a look about for some chickens. After chasing them around, ah ah around some chicken, for what seemed like hours, we managed to grab three of of the little buggers, shut the van doors and off we went back to Kavos.

01:14:15.19
Gareth Flavell: Now on the way home, we saw a goat on the side of the road and had the idea of grabbing the goat as well. It was tied to a post, so we literally just untied the goat and led it to the van.

01:14:26.81
Gareth Flavell: Easy peasy. We got back and got the spare key, which Bob hid just outside his apartment. We ushered in the goat and pretty much threw the chicken in the apartment and shut the door. We all went to the pub down the road, all chuffed ourselves like little schoolboys laughing our heads off.

01:14:43.54
Gareth Flavell: It got to about 4pm and we decided to grab a few ah Zeds before we started work at 7pm and await the arrival of Bob. Unbeknown to us, it had been really rough at sea as a storm was coming in, so the boat was delayed getting back by a few hours.

01:15:01.85
Gareth Flavell: We were at work and Bob walked in swearing and looking like a beetroot red with anger. He'd opened the door and the goat ran at him and headbutted him. The chickens were flapping about and there was shit and piss everywhere.

01:15:16.63
Gareth Flavell: The goat had eaten loads of his clothes and Bob was not a happy man. Even to today, Bob does not know who turned his apartment into a petting zoo. Love you guys. Love the pod.

01:15:29.18
Gareth Flavell: Flav, you're in my ear constantly on my post rounds. Lads and on. Overlap. Football between the lines. The lab. The fighting cock.

01:15:37.46
Flav: ah

01:15:38.17
Gareth Flavell: And that is something only I know.

01:15:40.77
Flav: God bless you, mate.

01:15:41.62
Gareth Flavell: ah God, ah I was going to tell a story about Cabos, but I can't tell that one here. Uh, I will tell you after Flav, um, and people in, in, uh, the lads patron discord, I will, I'll tell you in there as well.

01:15:50.64
Flav: Okay. All right.

01:16:01.47
Gareth Flavell: Um,

01:16:03.54
Gareth Flavell: that's been, that's been this week's for, for lads anonymous. Thank you for listening. Uh, if you want to become a patron and you want this podcast out today, Friday, ad free video three days before the normies.

01:16:16.60
Gareth Flavell: And obviously I just mentioned the discord that you can jump in and chat with everyone else. I'm there every single day twerking for you.

01:16:26.03
Gareth Flavell: Patron.com slash lads, anon pod. Next week, the topic is Amsterdam. Get your stories in ladsanonpod at gmail.com.

01:16:38.07
Gareth Flavell: And until then, i hope you have a bloody wonderful week.

01:16:44.03
Flav: Cheers.