#155 | Dreams | They’re Proper Mental! Pt.2

00:02.52
Gareth Flavell: How are you? What was going to say, um ah before we started recording, I said to you where you got coffee, you got water, and you were disgusted that I had suggested a hot beverage.

00:07.61
Flav: oh

00:17.11
Flav: I don't, yeah, I don't, I haven't, there's no part of me that wants a cup of tea or anything, just want water. I haven't had do any coffee.

00:23.29
Gareth Flavell: So I'll…

00:24.25
Flav: There is this, ah my dad, my nan used to tell me in hot weather, I drink hot drinks.

00:27.93
Gareth Flavell: Yes.

00:29.08
Flav: Yeah, but it's stupid.

00:29.37
Gareth Flavell: See?

00:30.20
Flav: like She also said to she thought the Watsits were healthy because they had cheese in them. that It's the same lines. how how how could How could possibly putting boiling water into your body or not but or very hot water into your body… I mean, I'm going to ask ChatGPT, but ah ah it doesn't make sense….

00:50.10
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, there is a well, I mean, it's, I don't know if it's an old wives, so we're about to find out, but drinking hot drinks keeps you cool in hot weather because it's something to do with the core temperature of your body. don't know what it does, but I continue to drink hot drinks in hot weather.

01:10.14
Gareth Flavell: But ah I am, oh God, i don't want to be wrong about this. And and I've just been like gunning hot drinks.

01:16.31
Flav: ah it so If something your nan was telling you… Okay, home then hang on, hang on. Yes, but only in the right conditions. A hot drink can make you feel cooler because it makes you sweat.

01:25.83
Gareth Flavell: Oh, I don't want that.

01:26.81
Flav: So the sweat evaporates, on the evaporates it cools the body. But here's the catch. only helps if the sweat can evaporate. So works better on a day in dry heat. You're in shade, there's breeze.

01:39.19
Flav: It doesn't help if it's humid. you're in So basically just if you anything that makes you sweat more might make you cooler. But if you're sweating already, then a hot drink is just going to do nothing.

01:48.50
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I i considered.

01:49.58
Flav: I've been sweating. no I've just been sitting here. I've been sweating all day, wherever I am.

01:53.21
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:54.60
Flav: It's really bad because got booked for a ah job in London on Wednesday for the Scotland game. It was 11 o'clock at night and the humidity was still there. And I was just on this shoot, just sweating buckets, absolutely pissing sweat.

02:08.18
Flav: There's nothing I can do about it.

02:08.92
Gareth Flavell: Oh God.

02:09.89
Flav: My body just loves to sweat up.

02:12.98
Gareth Flavell: ah ah when When you're doing these as well, you're in a… Are you in a pub full of people as well?

02:19.38
Flav: Yeah.

02:20.54
Gareth Flavell: I mean…

02:21.14
Flav: Pub full of people with four lights shining at you. um Yeah, it's not it's not ideal, really.

02:29.49
Gareth Flavell: What's that experience like? Like, sitting there, ah you've got loads of, like, let's just say, camera crew around you. And it must must be a weird feeling, just sitting there feeling…

02:38.71
Flav: Yeah.

02:42.33
Flav: Yeah, so people that don't know, it's basically doing this job for kind a um a company called Mixer, M-I-X-R. They run a load of pubs and they want us to download. They want people to download their app and you can get rewards for drinking.

02:54.46
Flav: So, you're like you know, like the coffee bar, if you you drink nine drinks, they'll give you a tenth one free.

02:56.60
Gareth Flavell: e

02:59.01
Flav: It's like that. Anyway, so they the way to promote this, they want they want to film us in front of watching England or watching Scotland and just chatting through it and talking bits talking about things.

03:11.26
Flav: And then they film you watching the game constantly. So um it's a bit weird, like people staring at you and that. This one wasn't, the one against Scotland wasn't too bad because it was in a separate bit.

03:23.06
Flav: We were away from the nor the people.

03:24.50
Gareth Flavell: oh

03:26.04
Flav: But the first one, the England, we were bang in the middle of the pub with massive lights all shut shining down on us.

03:28.82
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, saw that.

03:31.45
Flav: And yeah, everyone was really nice, but it was, i felt a bit awkward, but you just got to get on with it. Yeah.

03:36.98
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, do you have a little hanky with you to dab your head?

03:42.65
Flav: I use mounds of tissue, but just there's nothing you can do. It's boiling hot. There's nothing you can do. It's just what it is.

03:48.18
Gareth Flavell: know.

03:48.87
Flav: Yeah, you should have done that.

03:49.72
Gareth Flavell: I considered doing this pod with no top on, but… I don't, yeah, I don't really want, you know, everyone to be watching me topless. So I will not do that.

04:00.81
Gareth Flavell: um

04:01.26
Flav: Patrons only there, right?

04:02.49
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, true. That is true. But then what about if there's a a saucy clip that want to put out there? That'd be weird scrolling through and then some geezer on your TikTok or reel comes up.

04:13.46
Flav: I gotcha.

04:13.85
Gareth Flavell: yeah Just sitting there topless naked.

04:14.42
Flav: Yeah, yeah, that would be…

04:18.17
Gareth Flavell: ah um Do you know what the topic is today?

04:24.66
Flav: Dreams can come true.

04:25.33
Gareth Flavell: Can country. true and they then and ah You know you got to have hope.

04:26.34
Flav: Look at me.

04:31.09
Gareth Flavell: You know you got to be strong.

04:31.54
Flav: Got to have to be strong.

04:33.61
Gareth Flavell: Dream.

04:35.50
Flav: No.

04:35.29
Gareth Flavell: ah I don't know what that middle bit is. I love that dreams.

04:40.92
Flav: No.

04:40.76
Gareth Flavell: Can country.

04:42.68
Flav: carried

04:42.87
Gareth Flavell: You know you got to have hope.

04:43.74
Flav: yeah

04:45.13
Gareth Flavell: I know you got to be strong.

04:46.04
Flav: Yeah. Yeah.

04:48.07
Gareth Flavell: don't even think Gabrielle knows about that.

04:48.63
Flav: I don't know. Number one, dreams, Gabrielle.

04:51.03
Gareth Flavell: fucking ream tune that is my god i'm so hot um do you remember your dreams like as in do you you've told me this before actually and i've been really i don't know why i've been so surprised about it

04:51.70
Flav: Yeah.

05:02.01
Flav: Yes.

05:10.77
Flav: What? You don't remember your own dreams?

05:13.50
Gareth Flavell: I do, right? There's there's a stage, right? i like I wake up and I'm like, that was a weird dream. And then I'll put my T-shirt on to go downstairs and I can't remember the dream. It's gone. It's gone.

05:29.56
Gareth Flavell: It's very rare that I remember.

05:29.94
Flav: Yeah.

05:31.28
Gareth Flavell: It's got to be something that really affects me.

05:31.74
Flav: ah

05:35.58
Flav: ah they don't stay with me forever they stay with me for a day or so i might think about it and then they just disappear as they go on goes on they they they just disappear um but i have vivid dreams um every night i i would say which is weird because i can't create an image in my own eye in mine's eye by doing vividly yeah then i can't explain why that is the case um

05:54.14
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

06:00.98
Flav: But yeah, mate, as well as, because I'm taking amitriptyline, that represses r REM sleep for somebody. It's one of the negative parts of it. So you're sleeping soundly, but you're not getting as much REM sleep as you normally would if you're sleeping naturally.

06:14.71
Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

06:16.02
Flav: But it's not when you're you're in ah a REM state that you're dreaming. It's in the other dream state. I can't remember. It might be a light sleep or something like that. ah or it may be if there's deep sleep REM light sleep and um waking sleep I think those are different stages of your night if you wear a Fitbit it tells you which what bits you've been in during during the night um and

06:33.50
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

06:36.06
Gareth Flavell: ya Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. i always get angry when it's like, I'm not not in deep sleep, just fucking REM or whatever. Give me the depot.

06:46.58
Flav: it's weird that you think you're in deep sleep the like my my understanding would have been I thought you were only there talking about sleep. The eight hours, when you fall asleep and you go into deep sleep and you sit there for seven hours then you go, but that's not the truth. You're in and out of different variations of sleep.

07:06.71
Flav: But yes, I dream lot. I've been having a lot of sort of naughty dreams as well recently for some reason.

07:12.45
Gareth Flavell: What?

07:13.06
Flav: I can't, I don't remember much about them at all, but I remember the kind of theme of it being around that.

07:13.02
Gareth Flavell: Right.

07:19.96
Gareth Flavell: Wow.

07:20.36
Flav: don't know. but And then, annette but then, um but that dream of I had a mad dream last night. he said You can't recall them, which is why like they don't mean anything.

07:32.92
Flav: I remember, to me, they are like processing things that have happened.

07:32.76
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

07:36.80
Flav: So I'll have something that's that's happened during the day or something I've been doing a lot of, especially if it's new, and I'll dream about that at night. It's almost like processing it.

07:46.46
Gareth Flavell: Right.

07:47.72
Flav: That's what I believe it to be anyway.

07:48.92
Gareth Flavell: Right. No, no. I do have some of the… ah So ah why do we dream? Like scientists, they have no idea, no exact kind of ah theory of why we dream exactly.

08:04.09
Gareth Flavell: Some say it's memory sorting.

08:08.06
Flav: Yeah.

08:07.91
Gareth Flavell: Others say emotional processing.

08:11.43
Flav: Yeah.

08:12.22
Gareth Flavell: This is a weird one. Threat simulation. So when you when you can't run away and you're running through treacle and you're running really slow and something's chasing you, it's a threat simulation to prepare you from running away from a bear or whatever it might be.

08:16.98
Flav: Yeah.

08:24.25
Flav: Yeah,

08:31.03
Flav: yeah, yeah.

08:31.22
Gareth Flavell: and that And then the other is…

08:32.82
Flav: so ive

08:34.42
Gareth Flavell: You're gone. The final one is a random brain activity.

08:35.83
Flav: No, no, go We'll follow on a

08:42.01
Flav: Yeah. but But you know, like, um you know, like when you're having a fight and you can't fight properly in your dream, it's like you've…

08:43.67
Gareth Flavell: I mean…

08:50.81
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, you can't throw a punch like full power and stuff and it's like you're punching in water.

08:57.61
Flav: It's weird that it's the same for everybody.

09:00.82
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, that is.

09:03.13
Flav: Yeah. It's like no one can… I don't beat the shit out of people. I often have a dream of like, I'm i'm in a fight and I'm hitting like eight or nine times on the bounce. ah then they're not they're not doing anything bang bang bang but then they're sort of all right

09:17.14
Gareth Flavell: oh fuck, what do I do now?

09:20.44
Flav: yeah and then and then see told you kind of thing don't know or running as well you just can't run when someone's running after you you just cannot run as fast as them it's a weird thing

09:30.07
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it's mental. So for for you, there is no part. So it's memory sorting, emotional processing, all those theories. None of it is to do with anything supernatural, contacting ah the other side of the world, different dimension. Whoa,

09:49.98
Flav: Obviously not.

09:50.90
Gareth Flavell: well ah whoa, whoa, whoa, chill.

09:52.69
Flav: It's like, do you believe in magic, Ricky?

09:52.48
Gareth Flavell: I know.

09:55.32
Flav: We've had this conversation loads of times.

09:56.96
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

09:57.52
Flav: Am I contacting the dead when I dream? No, it's my brain activity. It's, it's they of course not.

10:05.44
Flav: Of course not. awful

10:07.06
Gareth Flavell: that theyre Actually, i did see I did see this thing of, um what was it called?

10:07.86
Flav: What do other people do? People believe other things.

10:15.95
Gareth Flavell: So um here it is, right? ah Pre-cognitive dreams. ah Pre-cognitive dreams that seemingly predict or provide insight into the future events before they happen.

10:22.26
Flav: Yeah.

10:30.36
Gareth Flavell: While they often feel deeply profound or paranormal, scientists explain these experiences through psychological phenomenon like coincidence, confirmation bias, and the brain's ability to subconsciously process data.

10:47.29
Gareth Flavell: So I'd imagine that's kind of like deja vu but in your sleep, right?

10:47.74
Flav: yeah

10:51.03
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

10:52.92
Flav: Yeah, I think, um yeah, I think it's it's it's just sure your your brain has to unload and process stuff. Otherwise, you could be going crazy. like i read I was reading about this thing yesterday um where essentially a problem you have in your life is like an open loop in your brain and yeah and and you're aware of it. So It might be, you know, that you have got a doctor's appointment.

11:22.62
Flav: No, you you've got a problem. You need to make appointment for a doctor. That because you know that you need to do that, that becomes an open loop in your brain. and and And the number of open loops in your brain you have, the more the stressful you you you become.

11:36.73
Flav: So often what happens like with journaling or writing down lists or or or typing out things, it closes those loops. They don't go away, but it closes those loops so your brain doesn't have to worry about them subconsciously.

11:51.26
Flav: So I think the most practical use of… We dream for a reason, right? So there's no use to it.

11:56.25
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

11:57.33
Flav: you would you wouldn't No one would dream. you would So it's some sort of function that the body is performing. It's not linking to a spiritual spiritual realm because you're fast asleep and then therefore you're more open to that.

12:11.42
Flav: Isn't it much much, much, much, much more likely that… um that the dream dreaming is a function like the body like the liver processes toxins the brain is going through a processing of the thing that's what's most likely isn't it so that's what i believe

12:25.56
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

12:30.58
Gareth Flavell: Right. Okay. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's good. And and the the closed loop things, right. That's that, that sounds very, you know, i was going to say plausible, but that sounds exactly what's probably happening.

12:40.61
Gareth Flavell: And then the journal thing, writing it down to put an end to it. That's really good. Actually. Um, I hadn't thought of it that way.

12:46.21
Flav: I've got fucking loads of shit that I need to do that's stressing me out all the time. We all have to some degree.

12:51.93
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

12:52.54
Flav: But and and writing it down doesn't make it go away, but it just feels like that you get control of… You write a list, you can work for it kind of thing.

13:03.10
Flav: um I think…

13:03.19
Gareth Flavell: You get it out and you get the kind of negative, the spiral out on paper and at least you can kind of put a plan together or something.

13:08.73
Flav: because you Yeah, like that. um and but But with your… There's a million things going on your subconscious that the brain is taking care of, perhaps.

13:19.69
Flav: That's what I think dreaming is. Like stuff that's going on that you're not aware of.

13:22.20
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

13:25.78
Gareth Flavell: Right.

13:26.14
Flav: Mostly.

13:26.22
Gareth Flavell: I know, I do know where you stand on this and this is fine. I'm not trying to convince you, but I'm just having a ah discussion.

13:31.15
Flav: Yeah, it's what other people do.

13:33.21
Gareth Flavell: ah my missus she had a dream she had a dream about her granddad her granddad has been dead years doesn't really have any memory of her granddad at all just bits and pieces ah but one of them it was that I don't know why was saying this but he said just ah do a phlegmy in the fire that was burning that's just fucking weird

13:38.76
Flav: Yeah.

13:58.90
Gareth Flavell: Just a little greenie as you're walking past.

13:59.38
Flav: That was her memory.

14:00.42
Gareth Flavell: you Yeah. Memory of your granddad walking past a fire.

14:03.11
Flav: Spitting in the fire. Really.

14:03.77
Gareth Flavell: yeah

14:04.43
Flav: Yeah.

14:07.11
Gareth Flavell: But she said he had a ah a medical smell about him, like antiseptic. ah what What was the thing that TCP, that kind of a smell?

14:14.78
Flav: Okay.

14:18.49
Flav: Yeah. All right.

14:19.67
Gareth Flavell: um And that's what she remembers of ah of her granddad.

14:23.26
Flav: Yeah.

14:23.86
Gareth Flavell: One day went to sleep, had a dream about her granddad. And the first thing that she smelled in the morning was that TCP smell really strongly.

14:33.96
Flav: Yeah. like

14:35.48
Gareth Flavell: and it was like her, in her brain, in her mind.

14:36.31
Flav: yeah

14:38.28
Gareth Flavell: And she smelled it and she was like, fuck, we don't even have any TCP. There's nothing around there. That, that just seems very weird. And she texted her mum about it saying, oh, I just had a dream about granddad and I could smell the smell.

14:46.20
Flav: Yeah.

14:50.16
Gareth Flavell: was very weird and blah, blah, blah. And her mum messaged her back and said, to- today is your granddad's birthday. Now we we can do the coincidence, the subconscious thing and and all of that.

15:03.26
Flav: Yeah, but what does what does she believe? What does she believe?

15:06.01
Gareth Flavell: shit I think she believes that um it was a message I don't know what the message was, maybe contacting from the, you know, the other side or just to say that I'm safe or whatever it might be. But it's just, you know, like it says coincidence, right?

15:24.76
Gareth Flavell: But sometimes these coincidences, they just feel more than a coincidence. Or is it that we want to believe that there is more than a coincidence?

15:36.18
Flav: Yeah, look, I don't want to poo poo it. I think um it doesn't matter. How do you feel about it? or She obviously thinks that it's linked to the birthday and that i don't think it's a coincidence. Actually, it's probably a deliberacy from the subconscious kicking in. So she would have been aware at some level that that his birthday is on that day, maybe.

15:58.04
Flav: Or I might be completely wrong and he wanted to reach out. ah question i mean I'll stop being cynical. My last time I will be. My question would be, like why has he waited 60 years or whatever it's been?

16:09.75
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

16:10.58
Flav: Whatever it was. How old is it? 40 years. that that but But whatever. It's fine. um

16:18.46
Flav: It's… my mum and my wife believe heavily that that that it's linked to messaging and they mean something and we'll write things, write things, Ollie doesn't write things down often, but she'll write down dreams and she goes to psychics and as she has done previously and they've been very accurate in, in, um in her life or they've been very good at,

16:28.68
Gareth Flavell: Wow. Okay.

16:39.35
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

16:47.42
Flav: drawing information out of her that she isn't aware she's like Darren Brown.

16:49.34
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

16:51.92
Flav: um But yeah it's yeah, I mean, if you get something from analyzing your dreams and, or if it brings comfort like that might've done to Donna and her mum, that's a wonderful thing.

17:01.02
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

17:05.02
Gareth Flavell: What is, ah yeah, I mean, i'm kind of like, ah know I'm kind of ah saying about um whether it's relatives ah visiting or a message and stuff like that. like i'll be I'll be honest and I'll kind of, I am mainly where you are on it all.

17:21.33
Gareth Flavell: But yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to try and see if I could change your mind, and I can't. ah um what's the what's What's the weirdest dream you've ever had?

17:29.30
Flav: No, no, no.

17:33.08
Gareth Flavell: Do you remember, like, the some real fucking…

17:34.74
Flav: ah I can't remember specific dreams.

17:36.96
Gareth Flavell: are you sitting…

17:38.69
Flav: Go on, Rick.

17:41.78
Flav: go

17:42.42
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, so while while you while you have a little thing, there's a couple of dreams that stand out for me and that I always remember. And they weren't particularly horrific dreams, but it's dreams that i you know that have stayed with me.

17:58.97
Gareth Flavell: Now, the first dream, I went fishing with my dad and my cousin Ryan, and my dad caught a fish called a tench. I've been trying to catch one of these for the last three seasons, and I just can't fucking do it. And it's winding me the fuck up.

18:14.10
Gareth Flavell: Right. And they're beautiful fish, red eye, green, silky smooth scales.

18:16.03
Flav: Mm-hmm.

18:21.05
Gareth Flavell: Great fight. And my dad caught one. And I was like, and the fight was so vivid because it was trying to get into the weeds and all that lot. And, you know, we had photographs and it was really, really good.

18:32.98
Gareth Flavell: And we, we stayed the night there, got the tent out. Me and my cousin were um in one tent. My dad was in the other. I went to sleep and I woke up and the tench was next to me.

18:48.44
Gareth Flavell: And i was like, what the fuck? why's why is the tent next to me in the in the fucking tent? This is weird. And as I kind of like tried to come to, was just stroking the scales and how soft it was.

19:04.34
Gareth Flavell: And I was like, in my mind, was like I like, don't know why this tent is with me, but it it feels all right. And then my eyes, so you know, they started to kind of come around and I could see,

19:18.04
Gareth Flavell: the the white eyes of my cousin looking at me going, Rick, what are you doing? You're stroking my face.

19:26.30
Gareth Flavell: And i was like, fuck, what the fuck's happened?

19:26.81
Flav: Amazing.

19:29.27
Gareth Flavell: and I dreamt obviously so much about this tench, but it wasn't, it was my cousin it't and it was his face and I was stroking it in the middle of the night in the countryside.

19:36.26
Flav: He's sort

19:37.76
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

19:38.81
Flav: ah You're acting out. um Yeah, I do stuff like that. i talk in my sleep a lot. My missus says, um obviously I wouldn't be aware of that. My ex-girlfriend would sleepwalk all the time, Amelia.

19:53.24
Flav: she would um shoot She would walk in and she was fast asleep.

19:53.09
Gareth Flavell: That's…

19:57.14
Flav: oh In sleep, but sort of her eyes open. And she'd come in and sort of start feeling the walls as if there's like, she was dreaming something and I would have to just take her back to bed.

20:09.50
Flav: That would happen five nights in seven probably.

20:13.40
Gareth Flavell: Fuck off, really?

20:16.12
Flav: Yeah. It's hard if you got used to it in the end, but it used to be quite creepy because you'd be in bed and you'd hear her get up and start walking around the flat, but she'd be fast asleep.

20:22.68
Gareth Flavell: Oh my god, that freaked me out.

20:26.65
Flav: Yeah.

20:26.95
Gareth Flavell: That's horrible.

20:28.17
Flav: I don't have any dreams I specifically remember, but i they're the same themes that have come up lots and lots and lots. Like… um

20:39.80
Flav: The, ah so sharks naturally. i dream a lot about um sharks in my dreams.

20:44.07
Gareth Flavell: wh-

20:46.67
Flav: Great whites. They can be like different colors, like brown, green, blue. And it's, there's like, they're never like, I don't know.

20:57.94
Flav: It's not like them being attacked by them, but they're they're there. They're in my dreams. um i often dream about being in really high precarious places. So I'll have to, I'll be climbing, um

21:07.78
Gareth Flavell: Oh, God.

21:12.54
Flav: like i'll be at the top of a statue or, ah or not, or, or a mountainside and there's a really narrow pass and I have to go through that narrow pass to get to the bit that's safe, but I have to do this bit. And I'm in my dream, absolutely terrified that I can't do like, so I got i really like heights.

21:33.53
Flav: Really? I don't think anyone should like heights. People are comfortable with heights. of Freaks in my opinion.

21:39.51
Gareth Flavell: Oh, mate, when I see reels, like the things like, you know where people are doing…

21:39.94
Flav: Uh,

21:44.71
Gareth Flavell: um It's kind of like, part I mean, I suppose it is parkour, but they're on like at the top of massive tower blocks and they're jump there and they're just jumping between tower blocks.

21:51.54
Flav: Yeah. Free climbing.

21:56.36
Gareth Flavell: There's a massive drop, but they, you know, they can they can make that leap or they are on a cliff face. Yeah. Free climbing, um but but they're okay. But you see their, like their camera footage and looking down and like, I actually feel a tingle in my stomach and I'm like, I feel like I can't look at the screen. It's fucking horrible.

22:17.02
Flav: the the the The bit…

22:22.10
Flav: the the bit The bit that freaks me out when they go up there is that when they build the beds and they plank that they they they put the beds into the clock…

22:28.54
Gareth Flavell: yeah yeah

22:30.94
Flav: and And then they just sleep there. Like there isn't like a fucking thousand foot drop beneath them. They're fucking sick in the head.

22:35.29
Gareth Flavell: ah

22:37.48
Flav: I dream about that quite a lot. Dream about higher higher places. What else is there? was One other thing. remember where it was now. um But yes, I'll have dream specific stuff. I remember as a kid specifically dreaming about Child's Play quite a lot. The Chucky doll.

22:55.67
Gareth Flavell: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

22:56.31
Flav: um I used to dream that the…

22:57.01
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

22:58.42
Flav: Do remember Art Attack? And you had Morph.

23:00.73
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah

23:03.51
Flav: Yeah, moreph I dreamed that thousands of morphs were coming to get me when they all had knives.

23:09.38
Gareth Flavell: that's fucking meant so

23:11.26
Flav: Yeah, I used to be terrified of morph when I was a kid. You know what I didn't like? i didn't like inanimate objects coming to life as when I was a kid. It was like a really big scary thing for mine.

23:20.15
Gareth Flavell: Right. Okay.

23:20.63
Flav: So Chucky was like my worst nightmare. And for some reason, morph would… Some people don't know, but morph was like a little… It was like a stop-motion character. Yeah.

23:30.36
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Stop motion, orange clay character.

23:32.79
Flav: Yeah, made up made out of Play-Doh clay.

23:33.20
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

23:36.22
Flav: And he didn't speak, he just went… Like that. That's how you would communicate. and honestly, as a kid, he scared the life out of me. I remember vividly, he was a kid watching it on the TV going, and this is designed for children, going, that's the scariest thing I've ever seen.

23:53.77
Gareth Flavell: It's so odd that that scared you.

23:56.95
Flav: Yeah.

23:57.53
Gareth Flavell: What was that?

23:57.88
Flav: Yeah, did.

23:58.17
Gareth Flavell: Like, what what you know, what the um the dreaming of the the kind of narrow being up high, like what it's like trying to understand what what does that mean?

24:10.25
Gareth Flavell: Like processing from the day or you think it's a like um like you were saying, part of a…

24:15.94
Flav: it's more of a deep-rooted fear.

24:18.07
Gareth Flavell: Right…

24:19.80
Flav: ah don't know why I don't know why. why comes up so often in my dreams. um Because I would never put myself in that situation. Maybe it's my brain saying, remember, this is scary. This is something you need to be avoiding.

24:35.70
Flav: um Not because he yeah can it's not a premonition to my future. It's just saying, remember, heights are dangerous.

24:41.94
Gareth Flavell: yeah

24:43.91
Flav: You know this. I don't know.

24:46.17
Gareth Flavell: oh so So we spoke earlier, didn't we?

24:46.52
Flav: Maybe it's that.

24:49.21
Gareth Flavell: say that Threat simulation. Maybe it's like trying to…

24:51.80
Flav: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

24:53.40
Gareth Flavell: Fuck.

24:54.15
Flav: That makes complete sense. Yeah. Threat simulation.

24:56.30
Gareth Flavell: Rah, that does. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

24:58.14
Flav: just reminding you that don't go up. Don't start climbing up ladders up the side of the houses and kids are going fall off.

25:07.19
Gareth Flavell: I had this really weird dream and I've told you this story before, but but not the dream part of it. So I was playing football in my mate's back garden. We were playing World Cup doubles.

25:17.78
Gareth Flavell: And as we were playing, um there was the noticeable stench of shit. um And someone had either trodden in dog shit or shit their pants. and We didn't know which one it was. And my mate said to me, Rick,

25:33.53
Gareth Flavell: I need to speak to you a second, but I want to speak to you away from this lot. Can you come into my garden shed? So yeah, sure. So i went into his garden shed and he pulled his pants down and there was an absolute Lincoln logger in there.

25:46.12
Gareth Flavell: Right. ah

25:47.23
Flav: Oh, my God. How has he done that?

25:47.99
Gareth Flavell: ah i't I don't know. It's just, just laying there in his pants. And he just said, it's only a little one.

25:52.54
Flav: What, a big poo?

25:53.18
Gareth Flavell: It wasn't yet a big poo, an actual big long poo. And he pulled his pants up and he just carried on playing football. We're in his back garden.

26:02.42
Flav: Why did he show you that?

26:04.71
Gareth Flavell: don't know. I think it was just to get a confirmation that maybe it was it was a bit small and it was okay that he had done it.

26:06.74
Flav: What did he hope that you…

26:11.03
Gareth Flavell: Or maybe because I was saying, God, it stinks of shit here. Maybe it was to stop me saying it stinks of shit because I knew where the shit was coming from.

26:23.86
Flav: ah Why didn't he just go and have a poo?

26:26.42
Gareth Flavell: I don't know. he was just so into it. Didn't want to lose his World Cup doubles match or something. Fucking weird. But the dream that i had, same guy, same situation,

26:37.56
Gareth Flavell: But he, poo just kept coming out of his mouth and we couldn't stop this poo coming out of his mouth.

26:43.32
Flav: ah

26:44.58
Gareth Flavell: it is so weird.

26:45.78
Flav: Yeah.

26:45.74
Gareth Flavell: And ah no matter what we tried, it was just out, just pouring out of his mouth.

26:46.46
Flav: Yeah.

26:50.94
Gareth Flavell: And in the end, I got a screwdriver and the heavy handle bit of it, and I was holding the the thin skinny metal bit. I ah knocked it on his head and the poo stopped coming out. like, what?

27:02.74
Gareth Flavell: what What is that dream? It stayed with me for years. And I just think, how is that?

27:07.79
Flav: Fuck knows.

27:08.15
Gareth Flavell: look

27:08.71
Flav: don't know. it just It's just going back to that that moment of very vivid memory that you've you remember, I guess.

27:09.78
Gareth Flavell: that

27:15.70
Flav: And the your brain, I don't know, man. fuck knows. I don't know.

27:20.61
Gareth Flavell: Dreams are fucking so weird, man. like um

27:22.94
Flav: They are mental. Yeah.

27:24.09
Gareth Flavell: Like, just going back to your nightmares one.

27:27.42
Flav: Yeah.

27:27.26
Gareth Flavell: So ah my heavy one, heavy, heavy, was always about Polgeist, always has, probably always will be. And I remember ah back in the day, Freddy Krueger.

27:40.28
Gareth Flavell: And because when you go to sleep, wasn't it? that That's when he would come. um

27:46.87
Flav: m

27:46.68
Gareth Flavell: and ah just not being able to go to sleep because he would be there.

27:49.94
Flav: That's right. Yeah.

27:52.52
Gareth Flavell: And then when I was asleep and i was it was my dreams, he was there. And I was like, fuck, like this is the film actually happening. And then I'd wake up in my bed and I was fine. But for a good six weeks, it was a nightmare trying to get to sleep. But generally when I'm having a a nightmare,

28:15.93
Gareth Flavell: I don't have nightmares like that. What I would probably describe as my nightmare um currently, and maybe this is the thing of like the stuff playing on your mind. Well, I don't think it does play on my mind, but it it' somehow festers as dreams of my Mrs. cheating on me.

28:38.10
Flav: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had that as well. That's insecurities, isn't it?

28:40.60
Gareth Flavell: And yeah.

28:41.75
Flav: That's fear.

28:44.53
Flav: that's that's That's what that is. It's your your brain, like threat protection, ah your greatest fears. Like these subconscious, you have to kind of deal with them, right? You can't ignore them. And they're in all of our subconscious. I've i've dreamt of my wife cheating on me several times.

29:04.70
Flav: um Never me cheating on her. Always her cheating on me.

29:07.70
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

29:08.63
Flav: at And um actually, that I think even in times where I'm about to have sex with someone else in my dream, I stop or wake up. That happens quite a lot.

29:19.48
Gareth Flavell: Right. Okay.

29:21.37
Flav: um So what I'm saying is I'd never do anything bad in my dreams.

29:26.63
Gareth Flavell: But.

29:28.31
Flav: um Yeah, but e I think that's bat it's about fear, Rick. But you have to process these things. Otherwise, they can kind of fester, think.

29:35.26
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. ah But like when I wake up in the morning and obviously it's, I know it hasn't happened, but I have this deep kind of feeling that it has.

29:37.41
Flav: Hmm.

29:46.97
Gareth Flavell: And I'll be in the mood of her and then she'll go to me.

29:50.47
Flav: Genuinely, Lee.

29:50.61
Gareth Flavell: You've had, you've had a dream.

29:51.47
Flav: You're genuinely being…

29:52.86
Gareth Flavell: Like you what?

29:53.50
Flav: yeah Are you actually an angry other?

29:53.62
Gareth Flavell: No, not, not, like no, no, no, i'm not angry with her, but I'm distant.

29:59.03
Flav: Yeah.

30:00.02
Gareth Flavell: You know, it's like, and and then she'll like, she'll be like, you're right.

30:00.86
Flav: What?

30:03.66
Gareth Flavell: And I'm like yeah, yeah, fine. And then she'll say, have you had a dream about me cheating on you again? And I'm like, yeah, have. And then she'll be like, yes, yeah she's like, you're a twat.

30:10.04
Flav: Yeah, I have. It's not my fault, is it?

30:13.13
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I know. But I don't know. i don't know. but It just makes me so, ah I don't know. Like you're saying, I am…

30:22.38
Flav: I guess it… Yeah. Sorry.

30:24.82
Gareth Flavell: i am I am like distant, but there's no, obviously there's no reason for me to be like that, but maybe it's that feeling into that fear of that.

30:36.91
Gareth Flavell: It could happen or I don't know. i don't know what it is.

30:40.79
Flav: Yeah, well, I guess the feeling the distant feeling you'd be feeling after, the you know, the morning afterward be, it still feels real in the dream, even though you know your missus hasn't done anything wrong.

30:52.34
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

30:52.73
Flav: ah it's the it's so It's a so snapshot of what it might be like, and it still hurts, because you can kind of realise, it's like when you imagine, i don't know if you do this, but I imagine what it might be like to lose my wife, like if something bad happened to her and what my life would be like.

31:07.45
Gareth Flavell: Oh, God, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:09.81
Flav: So I think we all do it. um And I feel real emotion when I'm thinking about that, even though it's not real.

31:15.72
Gareth Flavell: Mm, yeah.

31:17.08
Flav: So in the same way that when you're dreaming, that emotion, even though your missus hasn't done anything, e you feel, um yes you experience some of what what it might be like if she had, think that's where it comes from.

31:33.57
Flav: That's what it is.

31:33.46
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I'm not into that. um I remember a time when, i might be mistaken, bah ah lucid dreaming.

31:45.37
Gareth Flavell: So like lucid dreaming is where you're all fully aware that you're dreaming, but you can control what you dream. And I remember, didn't you go for a stage of like going to bed and being like, right, i fucking I'm getting after this?

31:51.03
Flav: Yeah.

31:57.11
Gareth Flavell: then you weren Weren't you double dropping magnesium tablets or something?

31:58.33
Flav: ah was Spooky, spooky, but… Yeah, no, it's mainly spooky. He was into it.

32:04.18
Gareth Flavell: if

32:04.64
Flav: um yeah so But you mentioned it to him, and you'll get 15 paragraphs probably about about it.

32:08.95
Gareth Flavell: ah

32:09.74
Flav: But, yeah, so it's the idea that you control your dreams, that you can you can make whatever you want happen, happen inside the dream. um Again, don't think it's real. think you…

32:24.12
Flav: ah

32:24.38
Gareth Flavell: What?

32:25.24
Flav: i think you've I don't think you can get to it. you I don't think you have, you can't have conscious control of your dream. You're not dreaming. It may be if you're, when you're asleep, you're shutting down. Your conscious mind is shutting down.

32:38.36
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

32:40.98
Flav: What is the control then? Because you have to be consciously aware that you're doing something. If that's impossible because you're genuinely asleep, how do you consciously control your subconscious while you're asleep?

32:52.63
Flav: To me, it doesn't mean make any sense. I have never been able to do it. I've had things where i've but dreams of things that happening that I like. um and i want more to happen and they sometimes do and other times i'll wake up and they don't happen or whatever it it might be so um yeah but yeah yeah there's this idea that people can kind of get into a state and i don't know if it's between sub the sub sleep you know that bit where you start i know where i'm going you know what did you you said something the other day when you felt a bit dribble or something on you what did you say

33:15.13
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

33:24.95
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. ah um ah ah can't remember, but…

33:31.19
Flav: you got up and you got a drink or something and then you thought, oh no, it's at my house. It was when you was at my house. Cause yeah, you was talking to me and he was, and I was like, cause you got up and you don't you'd had a fitful sleep for for obvious yeah for various reasons.

33:46.30
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

33:46.81
Flav: And then you thought it was about half four and you weren't, and you, you wasn't sure whether going be able to get any more sleep. And then all of a sudden you felt a little bit of dribble on your, on on your cheek and you went, hey lad, see later.

33:56.47
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

33:59.93
Gareth Flavell: ah

34:00.22
Flav: I'm off. Because then you knew that was like a signal for you that you was you were starting to slip into sleep.

34:07.80
Gareth Flavell: yeah

34:08.25
Flav: So my I have a signal each night where I've got my eyes closed, I feel pretty awake, and then my thoughts start to become very abstract.

34:21.46
Flav: So this is something i could I control. It just happens. So I'm just sort of half, sort of got my eyes closed and I found a comfortable position and I've sort of started to relax and let go a little bit.

34:32.50
Flav: And my I know I'm about to fall asleep. I'm conscious of this bit when I start having voluntary thoughts about… They're not thoughts. They're like, it's really hard to explain. They're like, you' you'll think of an idea that makes no sense or…

34:49.05
Gareth Flavell: yeah

34:50.42
Flav: ah it's so it's that they're so abstract these thoughts that it's impossible to articulate what they are if that makes sense but I don't remember what they are I just remember this thing happening and then pretty much as soon as that happens as long as my conscious brain doesn't start ticking I start worrying about something I'm gone yeah

34:56.02
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that does make sense.

35:10.65
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, and is that that's… ah So when you… But does that… I guess you're so used to it though. Does that not panic you? That you're like, you're having like these kind of LSD trippy, like, fuck, I'm thinking about something weird there.

35:26.74
Flav: No, it's not that though, because I know what that is.

35:27.00
Gareth Flavell: Or is it more of a comfort that, you know, you're going into sleep?

35:31.18
Flav: it's not It's more like, it it's more like ah it's like shutting down. It's fucking hard does it to explain.

35:36.18
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

35:38.29
Flav: It's like half thoughts. That's what it's like. It's like you're having half thoughts that don't make any sense. And It's almost your conscious letting go and handing over to the subconscious.

35:51.27
Flav: That's what it feels like. ah no I don't know what that feels like, but that's how I would describe what was happening.

35:54.58
Gareth Flavell: the

35:56.57
Flav: So yeah.

35:58.71
Gareth Flavell: sight

35:58.97
Flav: um So that's why I know um I'm falling to asleep.

36:02.58
Gareth Flavell: with with bloody hell i've got a fucking frog in my throat probably got a fly in my throat fucking thousands of them in here um where the uh the dribble and And that's how I know I'm fucking and nearly home, nearly home.

36:14.26
Flav: Yeah.

36:17.55
Gareth Flavell: Have you ever woken yourself up from either snoring or one of the um one of the best ones I've done? I've done this quite a few times. and It's always so embarrassing because my missus is sitting right there where I've had a heavy day of it. Maybe I've been at the football and I've been drinking or I've been fishing. I've been out in the sun all day.

36:38.42
Gareth Flavell: um whatever it is. And as I'm dozing off, I'll go into this state of dreaming or whatever. And then I'll wake up to the sound of me laughing.

36:49.22
Gareth Flavell: Like, it's just so, and then my missus is like, youre what are you laughing at?

36:49.85
Flav: Yeah. Yeah.

36:53.93
Gareth Flavell: What are you doing? And I'm like, Oh fuck, like shit. I've got to try and explain this. What's going on. Or or I'm laying there and then I'll wake up and she's looking at me. She's like, You're dating off on the sofa, but you're smiling like you're giggling to yourself.

37:08.81
Gareth Flavell: Right. Right.

37:10.14
Flav: well I talk a lot, apparently. And I can hear myself laughing sometimes. And then I'll feel myself but then then ill film myself do a laugh.

37:16.41
Gareth Flavell: ah

37:21.72
Flav: Like I'm doing it, but I'm still sort of dreaming. So i'm sort of forcing out.

37:25.62
Gareth Flavell: right

37:26.35
Flav: Weird. Again, difficult to articulate.

37:30.39
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, my my eldest, but when I'm laying in bed at night, I can hear her talking to herself. Fucking well weird. I hate it. Do you like, and again as well, um ah sleep paralysis.

37:40.45
Flav: funny.

37:42.86
Gareth Flavell: you You ever experienced that?

37:47.67
Flav: ah No, you haven't. I've seen… So my brother Ryan has… ah He's got a form of epilepsy where he he has episodes during the eat during the night. He's on he's on tablets now. that They're under control. But when ah when we were a kid, when he was… i would have been like 14, 15. I'd stay over. So he's my half-brother, right? So have different mums.

38:08.57
Flav: But we'd stay over at his house during the summer. And he would be… um have They're not like fits. They're like…

38:21.90
Flav: He'd be like talking, sleeping, and he'd sit upright and he'd be rubbing his eyes.

38:24.25
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

38:26.89
Flav: And he'd sometimes have a day. You've probably seen him do them.

38:29.69
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

38:30.30
Flav: Like I say, he doesn't have them anymore, but he would he'd he'd he'd basically have to cover his eyes and he'd go into like a waking dream or a or or it it brain would be firing.

38:30.53
Gareth Flavell: remember. Yeah, yeah.

38:43.10
Flav: So he'd he'd have to hold hiss arm over his eyes for a few seconds and then it it would just come back around and he'd fuck. Like that. um So he'd have them during the night. so that And I don't know what he sees.

38:56.69
Flav: And he can't articulate it. But he's in that moment, can't do anything other than go through what he's going through. don't know if it's the same as sleep paralysis. I've never, I've heard people say that they've had it.

39:07.75
Flav: I've never seen it happen. I don't, I don't really believe in either.

39:15.00
Gareth Flavell: we I remember but but um back in the day, we used to call them day terrors that ah when when your brother was having them.

39:15.54
Flav: But I don't want go on.

39:22.30
Flav: Yeah.

39:24.79
Gareth Flavell: um And I get i guess, so was there the diagnosis early that he had epilepsy? Was it later later on in life?

39:31.73
Flav: No, like like in, in um I don't think he started taking tablets late in his 30s.

39:37.98
Gareth Flavell: Right, okay, yeah, that makes sense then.

39:40.95
Flav: Apparently just you see Paris is a very real scientifically documented phenomenon.

39:45.82
Gareth Flavell: Right. Sleep paralysis. i I have had an episode of it. I've only had one and it was so fucking scary. Honestly, um i was at my um grandparents' villa in Spain.

40:01.08
Gareth Flavell: um My mum and my sister were in the room with me. They were on the single beds and I had an airbed between them. Now, my dad always says about um ghosts, my nan and grandparents and my family are all very spiritual, believe in ghosts and visits and all stuff like that. And he used to freak me the fuck out because I'm, you know, petrified of that stuff, right? But when I was asleep and I i woke up,

40:33.11
Gareth Flavell: And I could feel a weight on my legs. And my dad has had that. He's told a similar experience where he said he felt a weight on his legs. He saw a bright light and he tried to punch it. His first thing was he was throwing hands at whatever it was. And was like, that's fucking mental. But… um But I felt this weight on my legs and it felt like something was in the room with me, something was sitting on my legs and I tried my best to move my arms and move everything to get my mum's attention, to help me, or to to do anything.

41:09.46
Gareth Flavell: And I couldn't move anything, but I was… I was awake. And then i tried to speak to my mum to say something was happening, tried to vocalise something. And I remember that all that was coming out of my mouth was just… And i was like…

41:27.64
Gareth Flavell: fuck, like, I can't even talk to her. I'm just mumbling, making, it's not even a proper noise that's coming out. And I was just, it was like I was stuck in my body, being awake, and just feeling this weight on my body, feeling that something was there or was in the room, or I i don't know. It was the weirdest thing. And then I came to and I could move my arms and then that was it. I was just fucking freaked out and didn't go to sleep for the night.

41:55.93
Gareth Flavell: But… that was Sorry, that was a like early morning, but I just don't like, okay, we can say that um it's your body shutting down or like I'm half in a dream state or whatever, but it was so real and I was so awake.

42:14.93
Gareth Flavell: Do you know what i mean? i I cannot explain it.

42:17.40
Flav: Yeah, well, is this I've just been reading while you've been talking there. and It says the science behind it. So you go into REM atonia, which is dreaming in REM sleep. Your brain paralyzes your muscles to keep you safe.

42:31.54
Flav: So you don't sort of act out what you're dreaming. The glitch.

42:34.04
Gareth Flavell: Good.

42:34.60
Flav: During sleep paralysis, this paralysis lingers into wakefulness. You are fully conscious but unable to move, speak or open your eyes. Yeah. Hallucinations. Because you are caught between dreaming and waking, your brain can project vivid, often terrifying hallucinations, visual, auditory or sensory, into your real environment.

42:53.72
Flav: So, that's it Is your brain projecting what?

42:54.94
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I mean…

42:58.84
Flav: Something that looks completely real, but it's coming from your brain. According to the National Institute of Health..gov.gov

43:02.94
Gareth Flavell: So so that Right, okay. Well, that may I mean, that does make me feel a little bit little bit better that there wasn't a ghost sitting on me.

43:08.02
Flav: toov

43:11.86
Flav: You're not going to, as an adult, you would go you wouldn't go back. I know you're not going back there anymore, but you didn't go to bed worrying about that, did you?

43:19.83
Gareth Flavell: little bit. Yeah, little bit. I didn't want that. um What I will say, the last thing as well, um the so like part of that, the brain protection and all that lot, do you ever do that thing where you're where you're drifting off to sleep and then you jolt?

43:36.57
Gareth Flavell: You just laying there.

43:37.69
Flav: Yeah, or like you'll kick out a leg. ah ah So often I'm kicking a ball and my leg will kick.

43:39.37
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

43:43.22
Flav: Something like that, yeah. So there's like ah there's like a link, isn't there, between…

43:46.58
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it's something to do with that you're falling asleep too fast and your brain thinks you're dying or something like that. So it it it kicks in to ah give you a little ah gives you a little word little charge where you kick out to say, no, no, no, I'm not dying.

43:57.94
Flav: Right.

44:04.02
Gareth Flavell: I'm i'm still here. Everything's still working. Apparently that's what that is. But I mean, don't fucking really know. ah We… I did put out a request for people to send in their dreams. And normally when I put out a request, I'll get a few emails.

44:19.61
Gareth Flavell: But can I just say to the lads community, thank you so much to the call out I did for sending in your dreams because you've sent a fuckload in and I'm going to read some of them out now.

44:34.30
Gareth Flavell: Hi, Ricky and Flav. My recurring dream, which I have about once a month, is that I have coursework due at university and I'm about to miss the deadline. I left university 15 years ago.

44:47.99
Gareth Flavell: Now, I'm no expert, but I think that means that I have no interest in returning to further education. i mean… No, don't think that is that you've got no interest into returning a further education.

45:03.22
Gareth Flavell: think it's probably, I don't know, scared about deadlines that you keep missing or or that there's a looming kind of deadline.

45:10.90
Flav: Yeah, I had that.

45:14.01
Gareth Flavell: What, like universe that you kept really?

45:15.00
Flav: yeah Yeah, I yeah, I'd leave everything till late and it was stressful. And I definitely don't want to go back to future education ever, because ah partly because of deadlines and essays.

45:25.71
Gareth Flavell: No.

45:27.47
Flav: like

45:27.64
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

45:28.44
Flav: I remember sitting there going, this is a load of shit. i I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I'm here because well everyone told me to come here. So I'm here for three years now and I'm gonna write a silly essay and I get my stupid degree. It's gonna make no difference at all when it didn't, actually didn't get my degree, I left in the year three, still paying for that.

45:48.66
Gareth Flavell: ah Fuck.

45:49.24
Flav: Stupid fucking, actually I've actually paid off my student loan.

45:53.21
Gareth Flavell: That's good.

45:53.82
Flav: Finally, is it?

45:54.78
Gareth Flavell: Finally. Well, I mean, it's good that you've paid it off, but I mean, you know, um um I will not be advising my daughters to go to university or heavily lean on you must go to university a because X, Y, Z, whatever.

46:00.97
Flav: Hmm.

46:06.86
Flav: It's very expensive these days.

46:12.47
Gareth Flavell: Right, ah next one. Dreams. I have three vivid nightmares. One of my dreams I had 25 years ago when I worked for my uncle involved traveling across the country in a trailer he had.

46:25.05
Gareth Flavell: i had a bunk that I referred to as my coffin. One night I dreamt that I was in a coffin. As I was sleeping, I put my hand on the ceiling and I felt it.

46:35.65
Gareth Flavell: I went crazy and started punching and clawing like the ultimate warrior when the undertaker put him in one. Finally, I came to my senses and realized that I was just in bed.

46:47.06
Gareth Flavell: Another dream I had involved waking up in a bunk in a jail cell. I was sitting there depressed, not knowing what I had done to get there. It felt so real and I would never want to be in that situation. that is a fucking horrible dream.

47:02.46
Flav: Yeah.

47:03.03
Gareth Flavell: another recurring dream is that my wife leaves me and I'm alone. I see her, but she won't speak to me. i don't know the circumstances, but I feel the emotions of when I wake up.

47:15.13
Gareth Flavell: My wife is my everything and I wouldn't know what I'd do without her. That could have been written by me. Fucking hell, man.

47:21.87
Flav: I mean.

47:22.97
Gareth Flavell: Oh my God. The prison one. That's horrible.

47:28.22
Flav: my When my wife's coming home and she does late shifts and she comes home at half nine, those are the worst days. The best days are when she does early shifts. not she She has to get up at 5 a.m., but I'm still asleep. So she comes back by about half three. Those are the best ones.

47:41.37
Flav: I don't know what I'd do. i dont I don't know what I'd

47:44.47
Gareth Flavell: we would, yeah, we just have to, yeah, I don't know. just be living in solitude, really. Just me my me and the girls. That's it.

47:53.44
Flav: Yeah.

47:53.46
Gareth Flavell: Done. Put line in it.

47:54.71
Flav: Yeah.

47:55.01
Gareth Flavell: Done. Done.

47:57.08
Flav: dealing with that just a minute yeah no go on

47:56.98
Gareth Flavell: Right, next,

48:00.34
Gareth Flavell: ah ah ah Next one. This is what this is. I enjoyed this one. So at the risk of sounding wanky, I'm an actor. And when I when I'm mid job, I get some fucking weird and intense dreams pertinent to what I'm doing. When I played Macbeth, I had night terrors.

48:20.34
Gareth Flavell: And most fucked up, I played a man called Nathan Leopold, who, with his lover, Richard Lieb, kidnapped and murdered a child. Fascinating and horrifying story.

48:32.22
Gareth Flavell: Anyway, when playing this part after a few months, I had a dream where whereas I was in in the car with them just after they'd done a murder. They were smiling at each other, smug as fuck.

48:43.58
Gareth Flavell: It was intense.

48:44.07
Flav: Tana Mada.

48:46.43
Gareth Flavell: But the next night I dreamt I was back at my primary school where there was a field and a sort of sports storage hut at the back. We used to go behind there to smoke and try to unsuccessfully chat up girls from other schools there.

49:02.26
Gareth Flavell: I dreamed that some of the boys were telling me they wanted to show me something behind the fence. So I went with them. And there was a dead boy on the ground who was basically blue, frozen solid.

49:14.97
Gareth Flavell: We then all proceeded to piss on him, slowly thawing him out and steam coming off him.

49:18.44
Flav: What?

49:21.62
Gareth Flavell: How fucked up is that? I woke up thinking I had to change careers. Cheers, lads. Love the pod. You're both brilliant. ah I mean, like, that that is fucking…

49:32.28
Flav: That is brilliant. What fuck is that all about? You do do wake up sometimes and you think, what in God's fucking name is did that, where did that come from? I um i often have such terrible nightmares.

49:40.95
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

49:44.87
Flav: i have to wake myself up and I can wake myself up and I'm genuinely afraid. Like in my in my dreams, I'm so scared. And then I wake myself up and I feel, I wake up scared.

49:58.36
Flav: And then i have to keep myself awake long enough so I don't slip back into the dream. so if i And I can't. If I close my eyes and I start to go again, I go back into that dream again.

50:09.88
Gareth Flavell: Oh my god, mate, that sounds horrible. how do you wake yourself up?

50:12.92
Flav: You've never had that.

50:13.91
Gareth Flavell: No!

50:17.05
Flav: i don't I don't know. I can. I can always wet myself up in a dream. like when i think oh I'll suddenly like switch. I'll go, oh, fuck, this isn't real. And then dream. Or I'll dream something. like I think I dreamt that I'd i'd hit

50:33.50
Flav: So it's like ah it's really hard to remember. But I'd done something and I'd been cancelled and everybody knew what I'd done, but I was still having to go through the same processes of what I'd normally do, like go and get booked for jobs and stuff.

50:46.65
Flav: And I would… and But people or people knew what I'd done. was terrible what I'd done. i don't i don't know what it was. And then i woke woke up and I thought that was the reality. And then I woke up and it was like, oh, Christ, that was just a dream, thank Christ.

51:00.76
Gareth Flavell: listen There's some people that can dream, they can wake up and then they'll go back to bed and that dream will carry on

51:09.31
Flav: Well, that's what just said. That's what happens. If I'm having a nightmare and I wake myself up and if I don't stay awake, I only stay awake for about a minute and then I might dream something else.

51:19.96
Flav: But if I fall back to sleep, I go straight back into the nightmare.

51:23.08
Gareth Flavell: Oh, I see what he's saying. Fucking hell. Oh my God, that is disgusting. Jesus Christ.

51:29.01
Flav: Yeah.

51:30.17
Gareth Flavell: Right, we'll do the last one. ah this this This is a belter as well. Hey, lads, cannot tell you how much I love the pod. My best friend got me into it around a year ago, and we'd love listening in and sharing a laugh on a Monday. Well, thank you very much.

51:46.52
Gareth Flavell: When I heard you were talking about dreams, I just had to email in. For about two years now, I've been keeping a dream diary. If I wake up and can't remember it, in brackets, usually because it's absolutely fucking mental, then I jot it down in my notes app.

52:01.53
Flav: Yeah. so

52:03.77
Gareth Flavell: I have around 35 now, but this has to be the most bizarre of them all. Number eight. Danny Dyer's Minecraft Nightmare, 20th of August, 2024.

52:14.84
Flav: but

52:19.70
Gareth Flavell: ah I killed Danny Dyer's kid and then ran away before I thought anyone would find out. ah Suddenly, my life turned into Minecraft, so I went into creative mode and flew across the ocean.

52:35.06
Gareth Flavell: i eventually stopped and dug a hole at this spot and buried myself in the ground. There was a mass search party out for me and loads of famous people were trying to find me.

52:42.26
Flav: I'm

52:47.10
Gareth Flavell: i was found pretty quickly by a fitness influencer I follow on Instagram. ah he had He had looked at a map like you get in Minecraft and it revealed my location.

52:54.05
Flav: sorry.

52:59.67
Gareth Flavell: I'd forgotten to crouch which hide your name tag on the game. So he found me easily underground. I'm not always killing in my dream. I promise. However, I do get up to some pretty weird stuff. Let me know if you want to, if you want me to send in any more, love the pod, keep it up.

53:18.20
Gareth Flavell: That was, yeah.

53:18.76
Flav: I'd like to hear more.

53:20.06
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

53:20.34
Flav: That was great.

53:20.78
Gareth Flavell: yeah

53:21.18
Flav: That's exactly the but how mental dreams can be.

53:23.00
Gareth Flavell: ah

53:23.73
Flav: No, you said you killed Danny Dyer's son, ran away, turned into Minecraft. You've flown across the sea, then dug a hole. And because you didn't crouch, your fitness instructor that you follow on Instagram found you really easily by looking at the map.

53:37.11
Gareth Flavell: egg

53:41.08
Flav: Make it make sense. Like what does that for people who believe there's some spiritual connection?

53:42.95
Gareth Flavell: oh fucking hell

53:45.40
Flav: Tell me what that means.

53:48.18
Gareth Flavell: the it's the bit the funny thing I don't know why it made me laugh so much the it the ah the gym fitness influencer he's the guy that found him you'd be like for fuck's sake what are you doing here what have you grasped me in ah ah

54:05.56
Flav: Let's go to you.

54:08.61
Gareth Flavell: Oh, fucking hell. Right. We are going to go into something only you know, and it's called Working It. The topic for next week is monsters of the ocean, colossal and giant squid, orcas, blue whale, lion's mane, jellyfish.

54:26.69
Gareth Flavell: And obviously like the news, we haven't spoken about this news, but we need to, the great white shark in the Mediterranean, Flav, um and any other weapons of the sea.

54:35.42
Flav: Yeah.

54:37.70
Gareth Flavell: Have you had an uncomfortable encounter, sting or bite, close encounter, Send it in ladsanonpod at gmail.com and we will read out.

54:50.26
Gareth Flavell: And now we are going to go into…

54:58.31
Gareth Flavell: Jingles not playing, brilliant.

55:06.49
Gareth Flavell: Working it. Just thought of this story and thought you and Flav might get a kick out of it. When my wife and I were pregnant with our first kid, we were having dinner with my parents and they were warning us that there would be a lot of unsolicited parenting advice coming our way.

55:24.82
Gareth Flavell: My mum said some of the weirdest advice she got was from her paternal grandmother. She told my mum of the importance for mothers with baby boys to work them while changing their diapers whilst making a tiny wanking motion with her fingers.

55:46.26
Gareth Flavell: My mum even illustrated the motion my grandpa my grandma used

55:46.84
Flav: What?

55:51.77
Gareth Flavell: I was laughing at the absurdity of it all and turned to my dad telling him, geez, dad, you used to get jerked off from grandma. my My dad didn't think it was very funny.

56:01.76
Flav: What?

56:03.28
Gareth Flavell: And my mom assured me that ah that was most certain that advice was not taken.

56:06.01
Flav: lo

56:09.91
Gareth Flavell: And that is something only I know. that ah That is the first.

56:14.73
Flav: What did she call it? You have to work the kids.

56:16.57
Gareth Flavell: You have to work him. don't know why. don't know where.

56:20.62
Flav: That's fucking weird.

56:21.69
Gareth Flavell: That is, that is, um you know, that's um that's real back in the day kind of, I don't know.

56:28.20
Flav: not right.

56:31.06
Gareth Flavell: I don't even know what that is. Why would you need to do that?

56:34.13
Flav: You

56:35.48
Gareth Flavell: That is…

56:35.77
Flav: ah but no you you wouldn't you wouldn't need to.

56:35.99
Gareth Flavell: That

56:38.49
Flav: It's just fucking weird. Wank off a kid. What makes no sense?

56:41.94
Gareth Flavell: ah dies To work them as well. Good Lord. Right. Okay. That will do us for this week of Lads Anonymous. Topic for next week is monsters of the ocean. Send in your stuff.

56:54.84
Gareth Flavell: If you want more of this, sign up to Patreon, patreon.com slash ladsanonpod. um And until then, we will see you next Monday.

57:07.61
Flav: See ya. Bye.