#27 | Masculinity | what it means to men in 2024

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Because it's England, innit? I really wanted it. I wrote it in England. I wanted it to come out in red. And I just wanted to get bad with my mates. Filthy baron. Rolling at five. Death.

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On the night. Hazy light. Band of brothers. Playing tunes. High as quiet. Midnight waves. Surfing through till daylight breaks. Rhythm hit us different ways. Lover. Music's out. We prayed with our tongues in cheek. As we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Brothers. Hello and welcome to lads Anonymous is ABC 27, a podcast where two best mates of over 20 years invite you to join their safe space, where all manner of subjects will be discussed.

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We'll focus on a specific subject matter first and then answer questions, dilemmas or need for advice or handled anonymously. So sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast. Literally at Final Whistle, I was just I just want to win something. I'd just never seen any. I don't know what it feels like. Rick, you've carried on this conversation. Did I take it you've recorded that first bit?

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Well, we were just having a conversation. Yeah. Good. Terrific. Yeah, I just well, I just yeah, I just it would have been nice to be partying until. It's not just the hours. I didn't think just having that, you know, walking down the street and people listening in England and, what happened was I fuck all the fuck all that.

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Rick. Oh, you know what you do? You want to have it then? I just wanted to feel like what it would be like to win something proper. Well, what does that feel like? What does it feel like? I don't know, I'm sitting there. I'm like, you motherf. Fuck! Well done it again, isn't it? It's not coming home. Instead of me running the fucking.

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Oh, yeah. Oh. Just suddenly got like I'm in the in the build up to the day I said to you boys, I was like, we might be in a major trophy for the first time in my life. Yeah, well, actually, since 1991 and I was ten, I don't know what the fuck was going on. No, no, no, no, I and yet.

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But no, apparently not. Spain can have it again. I've already won. All the Spanish fans have all divided. What, like €3 World Cup? They've had all that recently. Footballing gods went nah not you. They give you give it to them again. Yeah. I kind of thought that the footballing gods would be like, let's just let them have a go.

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Just, let's just let England, let's see what happens if we do give it to them because they know, you know what happened, wouldn't they? But it smashed the city up. Yeah, exactly a good good. There's nothing I love more then, than celebrating a victory by destruction. I always say in America, in ice hockey, when someone with the city wins the Stanley Cup final.

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Yeah. This is really a momentous occasion for our town. Let's say fighter. Everything's good. Right. Speaking of, like, violence and setting fire to things, what happens to you in the pub before me? I'm. I'm glad you mentioned because I have never been in a situation like this in all my life. So, I mean, the lads in the beer garden watching the TV, waiting for England game to come on the beer gardens busy, we just, you know, shooting the shit as you do.

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And someone noticed a riot van pull up in the car park. And this, this pub we were at. It's not okay. That's that's fine. Maybe they're just doing a sweep of the area to make sure as an eye, people throwing glass is pissed off and or whatever else. Then another one turns up like that's a bit fucking heavy handed for a little flat race boozer in Milton Keynes.

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Two riot vans. Then from out of nowhere this like 4×4 blacked out car screeches around the corner onto a roadway where cars are not allowed to be in front of the school. That's kind of like at the back of the pub, the doors swing open, two German shepherds come roaring out, fucking barking, all blacked out. Officers come out holding them back, and I look to my right and there is loads of old Bill with, you know, there's massive submachine guns.

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One comes running into the boozer and it's got like this green laser on the end of it, and he's pointing at this geezer and it says, are you is he a Justin or Nathan? Are you drunk and blah, blah blah. And he says, I'm hands on your head, get to the floor. No sudden movements. And then the other officer says, everyone, no sudden movements, hands on the table, literally within like five feet in front of your table.

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Yeah, five feet in front of my table. I'm looking round at all my mates just to say, what the fuck is going on. I kind of have a little paper over my shoulder and there's an old bill just. He's in a tree. Like it's just hiding in this tree with a collective gun. I don't know what the fuck is going on, but in my mind, you know, you start freaking out.

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I was starting to freak out, right? Your mate was video this and doing a lovely little pan across the pub, and he can't see you. And you didn't look so. So I was terrified, confused. It was all a bit of both. Perplexed and terrified. Like everyone else was quite normal. Ricky in Your face was.

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Like, at that point. And I didn't know what was happening. And you know, when mistaken identity, anything can happen. They could have run in on me. I'm big guy. Your next. Yeah. We believe you. We've had to report to him. I know then if it's like America, it would have just been shot fired. And then ask questions when I'm, like, bleeding out on the floor in a way.

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Would you? You're, like, a little bit disappointed that they didn't fire the guns on him a little bit. You know, those in football? Where football tournaments, the football hooligans, and they don't have guns, but they have, like, those sand bullets, those bags, and they pull the sand and they. Yeah, really sting. Yeah. And they hurt people.

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I do like some of that action. That would have been nice. Even a smoke canister thrown over the pub. Whoa. And then they come rushing in. Bedlam everywhere. And they look to it. We have no idea what happened. The guy got cuffed. He was a really young guy as well. Must have been early to mid 20s. He got cuffed up, taken outside in the van.

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The two lads he was with, they got coughed up, taken outside. 15 minutes later they walked back in the pub and they'd been released. They gave each other a high five, come to collect their belongings. My mate shouted out what was that about? And he just started laughing and he shrugged his shoulders and as he's walking off, will make tap me and shouted, guys, look at his ankle!

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And he had a tag on his ankle. So I think, what is that? What happens when you if you break your body? Well, I don't think that obviously happens. But maybe the suspect they were looking for, they know hangs around with mate and they've located where his tag is and said, I reckon he's probably going to be at this boozer.

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And they descended on there and they've got him. I should have shot him just in case. Just in the foot somewhere. Let's just wait, you know? Yeah, I said a warning, but it's. And it's been a wakashu in since we last recruited fucking Trump as well, mate. Everyone's getting in. Everyone's getting go, man. If you. I don't know how.

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I don't know much about politics and not enough to purely comment on. Certainly not in US comment. Politics. Well, but it kind of feels like it's done now in the East. Survive being shot. There's that image of his fist in the air, the fire. And, if you had any doubts about voting for him over thinking about, you know, not voting for him again, he's fucking sign it up with that.

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Have you seen you see Joy over the way he's had moves, sort of tracked his head and the bullets and like free of a missed his head by about an inch. And one of them here if you hadn't turned his head he's in that last second it would have been blown to bits. That's fucking madness. Madness. How that that could happen.

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And that the guy had a clear shot on him. And like you're looking at the the videos that are online and people were alerting police to say there's someone on the roof. I think he's just they're just getting ready to put the cushion under his elbows because he's got, you know, sit in there and he takes a shot a fucking wild boy.

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Did you did you hear the conspiracy theories that the FBI let him do it? Because Trump said some bad stuff about the FBI and they were investigating him, so said, let him do it. Let the, Yeah, you might get a beat then. I'm not sure what I was. No, I didn't if you listen to that on recorded my bad.

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I'm also there's a friendly old guy who's fixing the roof just outside my window. And I would say if you hear banging and maybe a bit of Soarin, it's just for this episode. Just bear with the reason why I can't. He's like a life happens. Life happens. No, it's not that rate. It's really hot today. So it's 28 degrees here and he's currently in the shade.

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And at the end of it he has to finish the job today because he got another big job start tomorrow. And the sun's coming round. And he's only got a limited amount of times. He's like a vampire sizzles up in the sunlight and got to fix the roof before the sun gets him. Not me. The reason. And he's an old boy so don't to have a heart attack on my watch.

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So you just have to, bless him. Yeah. We just pay with this line. Well, just quickly, what do you think of what a fund. There was almost sort of glee in that. Trump nearly got shot and killed. That couple of the people that were attending the rally are dead. I don't know if you saw that in the hyper political world.

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I didn't see could imagine. I mean, I didn't I didn't see the glee of the people that or person or is it people that I hate who died? I didn't see that. But I did see comments around the lines of shame. Yeah, I should have got him. You're not finished making politics like you. Whether you agree with it or not.

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There's a whole fucking line. Right? And this is what upset me the most about it is if we've led, if we if this is led to a situation and it would happen. And I remember a similar sort of conversation about a Tory local MP who's having a throat slashed by someone. It was fucking outside. Yeah. It was like literally 2 or 3 years ago, it was all over the news.

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I can't remember the name of the guy now. And also there was a Tory MP that was ousted and he said, Thank God that was the worst job I've ever had. I never want to do that again. That, woman as well, that MP that got killed. Yeah. And and the thing is, is on a local level, if you're talking to MPs, whether they Lib Dem, Liberal, conservative, generally, they're pretty good.

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They'll help you. Some of them may have views that you disagree with, but on a human level, if you speak to them, they own Rishi Sunak because they are on Boris Johnson. They are, aren't Donald Trump. Yeah. You know, Keir Starmer, they're just normal local people that genuinely trying to do things that are good. You should saw Twitter when that geezer died.

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It was like there were people celebrating it and I'm like, what the fuck are we? What is this? And so I think I'm sort of I have checked out of politics a long time ago, but I'm struggling to having conversations with anybody about politics these days. Yeah, I've, I've well, well checked out of it, but I really don't want to spend my time chatting about it like I used to be.

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I used to go down the booze and have a little bit, a little bit of a chat or whatever and shoot the shit. But yeah, I've got no interest in doing that whatsoever. Now I just want to have fun. Just want to have fun. That's so, so decked out in the name of fun. What are we talking about?

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Masculinity. Sounds lush. Yeah, I know, I've got to do a quick shout out to a gentleman called Ian. Right, Ian, I can't remember. He traveled from maybe Royston, I think, but he messaged me. He big fan of the, big fan of lads. And he messaged me and he had to do a bit of business, but he had to move up his canal boat at Milton Keynes Marina and he said, if you're free, jump on there and and, and we'll go, we'll travel the Grand Union through Milton Keynes, be a couple of hours as bang up for it as life gets in the way of stuff.

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My, my kid had to do, like a, an Aladdin play something or have, come up and I and I couldn't do it and I was absolutely gutted he needed to move out of Milton Keynes Arena. I had a bit of a bad back. So after like two, 2.5 hours of traveling through Milton Keynes, he had to moor up again, because the next night and he said, I'm in a place called the Galleon.

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I don't know how close is to you, don't know what the crack is and all that luck. It's it's basically a six minute walk from my house. But I went down and went down and met him. Denied. I am fucking furious. We we went he invited me onto his boat. And I will be honest because, you know, we I don't know who this person is.

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He invited me into his boat. I thought the doors were going to swing open and I was going to get a crossbow in the chest. You know? Yeah. I'm. No, I'm not, I'm not. I thought that if what was going to happen, I was up for it, you know, like, you just never know where the rotation. And I think he was a bit put on the back foot that I said yes and that I was, you know, willing to do that.

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And I was like, you know what? Fuck it. It's a lovely evening. When did this canal boat may stoke at a side? What I called the second crossbow is perfect. That's the. If you just said any other weapon, it wouldn't have been funny. But it would have been a mad world at that moment again. I know, but he just listened to you talk about football on a podcast, and you thought there may be a possibility.

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Yeah, I'm going to get crushed. The door flung open. He kicked the doors open by me. You test crossbow, Richard by me floating in the ground. You and him a fucking arrow there. That is no idea, Ricky, I am fuming as I as I was dying before I knew this is happened. I knew this is a mistake. My my not my last words of I love my wife and my children.

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Ethan. That I knew it. I know you're going to do this. He was a fucking diamond. Absolutely lovely guy. Share the side. I had a chat about the pod. I had a chat about footy and about life in general. So thank you very much. And on the next sunny passing for Milton Keynes, I would definitely jump on your boat.

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And do you know how difficult it is to get Ricky to do anything? He would say yes to absolutely anything and I'll try. I don't believe anything he says anymore. So the fact that he the fact that he's done this and he turned up, which you wouldn't even do that for me, I should be six minutes away from his house and go, Rick, do you want to come and meet me?

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And you go, yes. And just wouldn't turn up again. This is true, this is true, this is true. One last thing before we move on to the chat. It is the British Podcast Awards, right? Like they have a, a section and it's the People's Choice award. Right. So this is the people's podcast. The voting opened at the beginning of June.

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So we're like six weeks late and it closes end of August. And there's some big celebrity podcasts in there, and they're telling their fans to vote for them. I don't really think we stand a chance, but do we not stand a chance because of the quality of the show, or do we not stand a chance because our listeners aren't as big as fucking shits and giggles or something?

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I don't know, but we're about to find out. Right? So if you go to well, I'm going to put the link in our Linktree, which is on every single part of our socials, and I'm going to put the link in the in the episode notes as well. If you want to just want to go there yourself, the British Podcast awards.com/voting.

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So it's very easy British podcast awards.com/voting. Then you have to type out lots anonymous type out info and then it will populate with our podcast. Click on that. Click submit confirm and your emails are done and dusted. And if we get shortlisted I haven't discussed this with you flat, but if we do get shortlisted then Flav and I will turn up in a Dumb and Dumber style suit.

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You know that fluorescent orange turquoise. Okay, we will fucking die. We won't. I fucking will I, I we, What? We all eyes on me. That's it. That's what I'm going to say. Yo, you know, if you want to promote the podcast, you can go on to the British Podcast Wars website and go to Listeners Choice. Vote now.

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And there's assets that you can share to say that you voted for them. For us as well. Oh, nice. Yeah. Have a look. It's like a pink box at the top of their website. What are you talking about? Dumb and dumber. You're going to go into that room, mate. If we are shortlisted, I promise I will dress like an absolute mentalist.

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And go in there. I'd rather than do that. I'd rather not go. Yeah. Or do they just like, just to see if I have do this. I will get him. I will get you. So let's go there also going oh I see what's happened. You've got you to a thousand spot. Got you 2000 Spotify views and now you're switching it to this, right.

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You don't get to a spot on I find them all. But you know bang on about this till the end of August. Is that right? Until the end of August. And then something else will come up in September? Yeah. So if you could do that, that would be amazing. Today's topic is, as I've mentioned, masculine eight right now.

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When someone submitted this and they had their little quota that they gave me about masculinity in today's world, and how do you feel about it? And where do we stand? I that's that's really interesting. And as I dug deeper, it's quite a nuanced topic. And I thought, how the fuck am I going to write this into a show?

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And how are we going to talk about it in depth and do it justice? Now, normally with masculinity, it's paired up with toxic masculinity. We'll do that for another part, because you can't just fucking talk about all of it all at once in one podcast. So we are just going to talk about masculinity. The dictionary says the quality or nature of the male sex, the quality, state or degree of being masculine or manly.

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Right now, masculine is considered to be characteristic of men marked by or having qualities, features traditionally associated with men. Okay, now I'm going to kick off with a little game, and the game is. The masculine features and qualities of men in the 1960s compared to the men in the 1920s. Sorry, 2020s. The name of the game, is it?

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That's not the name of the game. The name of the game is just called Men. Right? Okay, so so there's loads of different things, right? And I can't put them all in a podcast that typifies what a masculine man is. But I've chosen to do appearance, clothes and behavior. Now in the 1960s, what type of hairstyles for a man that would signify he's a fucking geezer in the 60s is a fucking dude.

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Is today what would they like? Tell me. Short, neat hairstyles such as crew cuts or slicked back styles. Side partings were common, right? Right. You think of that. Now listen to the one for where we are. Varied styles ranging from short neat cuts to longer, more relaxed styles fade, undercuts, textured are popular. I mean comparing those two, which is more manly?

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Probably the 60s. Well. As a, as a kind of, in the modern era. Now, what what what is a man? What is a man? So skin it. First off, your skin it. That's the most masculine. That's it. There's no argument. He's. Yeah, for sure it is. It is if you have a quiff, if you perm your hair.

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That's all less masculine. If you want to look pretty less masculine. What about man with long hair? Less masculine? What about a man with a man bun? Probably, yeah. No, I mean, I don't hate the man bun, to be honest, Rick, I don't think he looks terrible. I wouldn't dig someone out for wearing it. I wouldn't have one myself.

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I quite like during lockdown when we couldn't get a record, I had a hairband. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. You did. Yeah. You did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I liked it. Right. But it didn't go down well where I lived in Devizes, little old Devizes, they weren't open that men have normal haircuts here. They have all things. Sure. Yeah.

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They wear the sun comes out even if it's only 15 degrees. Short shorts. Come, come up straight away in the pub. You should see it. It is crazy in it. Well, not crazy, but for to to typify how masculine you are, your haircut. Yeah. If it's short, you're a geezer. If it's long, it's a bit light. I think underneath is geezer Rick.

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I don't even like d like it's if you. If you have to fight someone, would you rather fight someone who has hair? Who doesn't have hair? You'd rather fight someone who definitely has hair. Definitely has hair. I know that there are a million different ways of impacting. Well, how well you can fight. None of them have to do with your hairstyle.

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Typically. Yeah, but if you could just go to hell. I had a hat. Hairstyles alone. You're not wanting to fight the bald one. Oh, for sure, because we have a built in understanding about what masculinity is and if the societal changes happen and its impacts the way we what we deem to be masculine and whether masculinity is a positive thing, all those things come into play.

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But it's nonsense, right? Because it's just the whim of the moment. But instinctually we know what masculinity is. It's how hard you are. Can you beat up the next geezer? Yeah, the boxing UFC. Why do you think? Yeah, yeah. Fucking power slap. Masculinity and violence are directly linked with each other in the pubs where we grew up. Yeah.

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Who led the pubs? Who, who was the main geezer in the pub? Who's the one that you know you to watch out for. Be respect, hard guy. Yeah. Not the most intellectual. Not the one. The fucking geezer. You could smash your face in, geezer could throw and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And and it might not be palatable, but they were very simple rules yet to follow in pubs.

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And if you overstep the line, you see you suffered the consequences. Go get, get folded up. Yeah, yeah. And all of it's about would have been about masculinity. Let John Bass, a much loved John Bass, reduced. He he was kind of somewhat jokingly ranking the most important attributes of being a man. Yeah. And he said been hard as fuck is number one, because you might be able to intellectually maneuver around someone who is hard as fuck.

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Yeah, but if he decides to smash your face in, he's won. He's he's won. And it might be horrible. It might be horrible to to for that to be palatable. It might be horrible for these people to expect to accept that. But you cannot argue with facts and you can't if you're bleeding unconscious on the floor and he's walking away.

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It doesn't matter how intelligent you are, does it? It doesn't. Clive's 1960s, right. Often wear tailored suits, was narrowed lapels. Dark colors like navy, charcoal, and black were popular accessories, toys, pocket squares, and sometimes hats like fedoras or showbiz. Now for men. Sounds good and right? Business casual is the norm. Smart shirts, chinos, blazer. People don't really wear suits to work anymore.

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I quite like the modern man. You don't have to wear suit to work. I like I like it, I like the the yeah, the the look of the modern man as well. But in terms of style, what was more manly? I'd go 60s again. Yeah, probably. Accessories, smartwatch, designer sunglasses, jewelry, bracelets, beanies. What do you make your main.

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Did you make them? Yeah. We wear lots of jewelry on their end. What? Like that? But yeah, back in the day, when I was growing up, like in the 80s, it's the geezer who's got Super Kings fag hanging out his mouth. Sovereign. I like, you know, the sovereigns. Probably a ring that says that as well. And he could punch you right in.

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So I like, that's what that's the time that reminds me of my old man. He used to have a sovereign, and he gave it to me. Passed it down to me when I was 18. So I think for men back then, when you would. Doughboy, 90 fools. Other little gold. Gold sovereigns, though. That's what you talking about?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. What I was thinking about is perhaps. And this is, I think, where the shift in insert in culture around music happened, where we're kind of lips where The Libertines were a little bit more androgynous, a little bit girly, the way they moved, and they were massively popular and had masculine energy as well. Also had a bit of makeup, bit of eyeliner.

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Yeah. I remember growing up in eyeliner. Thursday, if I may ls that aware? A bit by the night? Yeah, yeah. Fucking having at that in years. Yeah. I mean it wasn't, it wasn't for me but getting off of each other. Sorry. What was it for me? But, Yeah, there was a shift with androgyny and and the idea of masculinity through the noughties was significant because if you remember Vice's Blur.

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Blur, probably a little bit more androgynous. Well. But Oasis. Yeah. Very manly. Or the indie stuff was, was it was quite, you know, electro. Yeah. And very much. Well, I mean it was that mod where. So that was problematic in the 60s. There you go. So that was very, very kind of, masculine type of, culture and wearing when we were growing up.

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But yeah. And again, like in today's today's world, men wearing kind of like sit not see through top, but, you know, a bit like knitted tops that, you would normally. Stereotypically see on a female. And it's okay, like, I think, I think the world is changing as to what men can wear, and that's good. But would you necessarily say that's masculine?

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I don't think I care anymore. Do you know what I mean? I, in what respect? I don't care in the fact, as in when I was younger, when I was 18, six, 16 to 18, I was still very much, a child. I had no concept of the world was still standing on tables singing Ten German Bombers.

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Was that cool? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that kind of, outlook on life. So you would have cared about that, but you don't. So, yeah, I would have cared back then and masculine and what wasn't. And what was this? And and everything else sexuality as well. I would have viewed it a different way 100%. And now I'm at a place in my life where I'm totally comfortable with who I am.

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The people on me, that whoever wants to be what they want to be, where what they want to wear, just as long as they're happy and they're safe. I'm not really that fazed by it. But if I were to chat to my dad, he was brought up in the 60s. His, outlook on what, a man should and would be is vastly different.

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Yeah, because there was a clearly defined roles back then. It was binary, wasn't it? You were a man or a female. If you were a man, you were this. If you were a female, you were that. You know, they would literally dress babies up in blue and pink, depending on, on the, on their sex. And then obviously as they get older, people up the ladder have to hide their homosexuality because society didn't accept.

00:30:45:14 – 00:31:10:06
But it was much more simple then. And if you did manage to conform into what society said was right and wrong, then you were okay. But if you didn't, you had to hide it and free, you know, after the war, Second World War, and and there was a period of affluence and kindness, you would say. And I'm much more open minded.

00:31:10:06 – 00:31:28:12
It was about, and it was about creating in the swinging 60s and the summer of love in the 70s. All of that was a reaction to the horrendous stuff that we'd that these people had gone through in the war. Right? Their parents had gone through. So people got an award and never fucking time for they had to be masculine.

00:31:28:14 – 00:31:47:05
The men had to be men. The women had to do their role. And a lot of that was caring and nursing and on the home front as well, that did an incredible stuff towards the war effort. The men had to go and fucking kill each other. There wasn't time for anything else. So that was what they grew up with.

00:31:47:07 – 00:32:10:11
They grew up with their parents, witnessed the First World War, the Second World War happened 40, 30 years, 40 years later. All they saw was war. There wasn't no time to some inner reflection about who I actually am. I can fucking kill someone right now. Yes, there was a time period, but now at a before you got. Can you tell the means that now I've got to kill somebody?

00:32:10:15 – 00:32:34:17
Yeah. Okay, I got time. Yeah, I've got can shoot another European in the face. Yeah. Someone. Someone who's lesson lives. A lesson with a thousand miles of me. All countries are now at war. And you know. And that's what I'm saying. This is what was happened in society. This is proper pseudo socialism. It's not an was it sociology, right.

00:32:34:19 – 00:33:04:24
People listen to this weekend is fuck is doesn't always talking about. But my broad take here is society in the 60s was a reaction to this because things were calmer. There was no war. We were able to look at ourselves and figure out how we wanted to be. And, yeah, there isn't there hasn't been, there's been ample, ample opportunity to really understand what masculinity is and what it means and how it impacts society.

00:33:04:24 – 00:33:25:05
And the, how significant it is. But if there's a war going on, it'll go back to the old binary masculinity. Can you kill that person? Right. Well, go and kill them like Ukraine. It's the same thing you have in Ukraine. All the men stay. Everyone else fucking get out! Everyone get buzz cuts! Get in line! Go get your rifle!

00:33:25:11 – 00:33:49:21
Go and get the Russkies. Yeah, yeah. Go! Yeah. And, And so it's in times of peace when you can, you can really genuinely consider what, what masculinity is, what sex is, what how you feel. And that's an amazing thing because you want that all the time. Right. You want much rather be considered in their masculinity or rather than how how good they can shoot.

00:33:49:21 – 00:34:17:06
They come. Yeah. First one's much better. Yeah. So, yeah. So that's what the 60s would still been sort of steeped in that, I would imagine. But from the, on the behavior from like, fat family roles like we just seen in the 60s, typically the primary breadwinner with a strong sense of duty to provide for and protect the family, often seen as the head of the household.

00:34:17:08 – 00:34:47:20
Now in 2024, often involved in co-parenting and household responsibilities, emphasis on partnership and shared duties within the family unit. So on that front, how I was brought up, fuck you man. Balls in, sticks it down the table. Where's my shepherd's pie. Go.

00:34:47:22 – 00:35:17:20
That's what the guy. That's what, what the guy was like. And obviously when I grew up like in my household and how I grew up with my mum and my sister like as that the as the constant family unit. So. But outwards looking in the 80s, growing up on TV, only fools and I would say, you know, everything that you're influenced by and the environments that you're in, that's how that's what the that's what the man's kind of.

00:35:17:22 – 00:35:45:00
Yeah position was and me provider. Right. He had brought the money and and the, the woman made it the home. It made it comfortable and and as we're in 2024, what has been brought down to, to me and I'm a product of my environment and my friends and everything else like that, I still kind of think like that in a way you feel comfortable, but I wouldn't say.

00:35:45:00 – 00:36:09:20
I wouldn't say in a way, I do kind of still think. I still feel like I'm the breadwinner. I protect my family, my family and my responsibility. Anything that's an issue. I was so, the kind of the guardian of. Yeah, of my household. As I've got older and times are changing, and like you were saying about shared responsibilities, like you were saying the the breadwinner.

00:36:09:20 – 00:36:33:16
If if it turns out that my missus got a promotion and she becomes the breadwinner, I pay up quality. Yeah, but you're now the breadwinner means that you have to take on the the household responsibilities. That's your job. I would I'd be right with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're staying at home looking after the girls, and she's going out to work.

00:36:33:18 – 00:37:01:02
They'll be at school. I'll just have podcasts on all day and then I'll be hoovering and. Yeah, doing. You know, I want to say the same thing, Rick. I like the family dynamic that we've got. I like that not. Look, I'm. And by the way, like in back in those days, the man ruled the household woman wouldn't be able to rent a drive a car, rent a TV without.

00:37:01:04 – 00:37:24:11
Oh, get credit. Listen to this. There was this in in my mum's lifetime with my dad. My dad. And I'm 42. Yeah, my dad had to sign if she wanted credit. She had her own money. If she wanted, they wanted to buy it. Was it, I mean, they wanted a a TV. My mum and dad wasn't. They weren't, they weren't poor, but they didn't have much money when I was a baby.

00:37:24:13 – 00:37:48:13
And I think they would back then. They. Would you rent your TV? You wouldn't buy outright. Yes. And in order for her to do that, she had to permission from her husband. My dad. To say, all right. Yeah. She's allowed that credit that that loan. That is obviously bullshit. And luckily, the balance in the household is, is it's much more fair than it was back then.

00:37:48:15 – 00:38:08:14
And so and we should be thankful of that for sure. And men shouldn't rule a household either. That's nonsense. You do it by caring and you do it by discussion, and you do it by you do it by balancing and understanding your partner and the needs of your children. Right. That's much more progressive and better than we used to be.

00:38:08:16 – 00:38:32:13
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I you know what as well, I've been looking back at my, my dad's relationship with his parents. My nan ruled that fucking house. Did she. Yeah. My granddad was a little bit just let let's do whatever Nanny Joyce says. Yeah yeah, yeah. She ruled the household and he brought in the money, but she was her household.

00:38:32:15 – 00:39:02:05
So even then, I don't think it was as black and white as what we might remember. But I quite like the traditional values of of a household. I feel better and more masculine about myself in a positive sense, because if my kids or, you know, my stepchildren need something, I can provide for them. If my if my wife needs something, if she wants to go on holiday, she, for example, I pay for it to go on holiday recently with her friends that she probably wouldn't have been able to go if she if she was just working on what money she has.

00:39:02:07 – 00:39:20:04
Yeah. So you work as a unit then? And I think I like that, I like that if, if she was paying for me to go on holiday with my mates, I know there's nothing wrong with that at all. Yeah, but I don't I if I'm being really honest, I feel a little bit like she's going to peg me.

00:39:20:04 – 00:39:45:11
Leah. Yeah. Emasculated in a way. That's pathetic though, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. And then she go, well, it's not pathetic because as much as I would enjoy the gift and like I say, if my missus was a top earner, she was like, we're going, we're going here on holiday. But doing that, I was smashing the money down. I would be okay with it.

00:39:45:11 – 00:40:13:19
Right? That's fine. It would dent my ego and it would. I was not okay with it then, is it. That's not oh it's not. No, no it's not. No. I just I was getting on to that. There'd be elements where I'd be fine about it, but then I. Yeah it would because again like I'm saying, I'm a product of my environment and I it's more the traditional family unit.

00:40:13:21 – 00:40:38:18
It's only a matter of time Rick. Where you're, you're you're getting paid. That's what your sex life is that I, I think you should. Yeah, yeah, they sound in a way that I can't breathe. And then the ovary, you realize. But you're not sexually active as you thought it was. No, no, I hit it in the headboard.

00:40:38:20 – 00:41:07:06
This isn't fun anymore. This isn't fun anyway, now I get it. Now I get why this isn't fun. Well, what I did wanted to ask you is, as we're talking about, that, the kind of the role of being a father or a father figure or a carer or whatever, and the impact it has on their children's masculinity.

00:41:07:08 – 00:41:33:05
And because I notice, like, in each I know I've said this so many fucking times, I think I'm just going to call this episode Product of Environment. But you act the way where you were brought up and what was handed down to you. So my dad in the 60s, a lot of his, the way that he thought he was brought up, would, would be passed on to me.

00:41:33:07 – 00:41:54:21
And I I've taken that. And now growing up, the world is a lot more modern. And it is okay as a man to show more emotion and it is okay to ask for help. That British stiff upper lip bury everything into the soles of your feet and seal it with concrete and never speak about it. Yeah, we can talk about that.

00:41:54:21 – 00:42:23:03
We can go to counseling. We can say that we, we're not not feeling great with feeling play. Well, whatever it might be. Very different to to how my old man was raised. Now and I and and that's the way that's my outlook on on life. Great. I'm still learning. I'm still learning to be a better dad, a better man, a better person.

00:42:23:05 – 00:42:45:21
And to let those last shackles of, you know, those masculine ease of what it what it's supposed to mean to be a man in the 60s. Now I've got two girls, so it's a bit different. I think if I was raising a boy now, there'd be a lot of that. You fucking crying about fucking that, you know, that was the kind of stuff.

00:42:45:23 – 00:42:56:16
I mean, as someone who is raising a boy, you don't know. Just. You just know you. You just think, are they happy? Yeah. It doesn't matter if you're playing. If you're playing with.

00:42:56:18 – 00:43:20:17
But when I was a kid, it was football. All boys play football. My my boy, it doesn't fucking give a shit about football. He doesn't understand it. He goes football. Come home. Did it, did it? Come on. Well it didn't come home. Goes, I mean, are you bothered about and goes, honestly, I hate football. Don't understand it.

00:43:20:19 – 00:43:50:21
Just like they're idiots. Following each other on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty much. Right. What about your, your language at heart? As in lot like, what I say is my my language at home in front of my girls. Swearing doesn't. That's not what I'm talking about. It's the changing of language is to say, oh, that you've got have some balls to do to do that.

00:43:50:23 – 00:44:12:15
And I noticed I caught myself a few years ago, it's like, oh, you know, that's saying that only a man could could show that bravery because he's got ballocks. Yeah. Stop touching a little girl. Yeah. Stop acting like a big girl's blouse. You know, all those types of, wording that you picked up when you were a kid.

00:44:12:17 – 00:44:39:06
And that is in the world that's that was prevalent back then. I've been very quick to change how how I speak in that sense, because I don't want my girls to grow up and and feel like that they haven't got ballocks that it's, you know, they can't do that. The, the masculinity, the bravery. Of course they can. You know, so I try as best as I can to, well, catch myself.

00:44:39:06 – 00:44:59:19
I can't do everything my but maybe. Well we'll go and well example like I'm sure you've had to open a few drawers that they can open. I did, but when they weren't looking, when they weren't looking, I got a knife and stabbed the top. So the assumption was taken away and I just pinged the open. Yeah, but that's it.

00:44:59:19 – 00:45:19:22
They use their brains. Yeah, yeah. What you just did there was feminine. Yeah. What you should have done. You struggle with it until you got it off. I should well I should have done it. Disappeared into the shed and come out of a massive fucking. So yeah, I, I've got, I've got the right till now. Goes to smash the fucking guy.

00:45:19:23 – 00:45:51:09
Smash it up. Yeah, but but the, the last question I'm going to ask you have how are modern movements like feminism and LGBTQ plus rights redefining masculinity? You know, I don't know, it's a get Fox. The answer. Oh. You know, my chest. I was only given joking about. Hey, so looking forward to your face.

00:45:51:09 – 00:46:11:09
And I was asking that I look, don't don't. It's like a lot of sane when I started writing stuff for the toxic masculinity stuff, it's just too much. They'll have to be another episode. I we can, we can talk about. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about that. We can't talk about that stuff.

00:46:11:09 – 00:46:43:02
But obviously, the question you directly answered, which is funny, that you brought it up because it's like, but isn't it a shame that we can't actually have a conversation about that without fear of, you know, being dragged through the coals? Yeah, yeah, yeah it is. I saw this clip of, a clip of they asked this, these two young girls, they were about 17 and 18 and, they, they were asked, do you think how many genders do you think there were?

00:46:43:02 – 00:47:06:13
And one of them became began to answer in a way that what she believed was her truth. Right? Yeah. And going along the lines of, well, there were two genders. No friend idea we're talking about. Yeah. Acutely aware of the impact that that might have. It's almost shut her down. Don't talk about this. This is to this is this is going to get you in trouble.

00:47:06:15 – 00:47:30:06
Yeah. But and that's scary that we've got to a stage where we cannot have a conversation without people losing, losing their minds about it. That's. Yeah, that's a scary place to be. The thing is, it's the, I'm not going to, you know, profess that I know everything about it and I'm going to make mistakes. I'm going to say the wrong thing, and maybe my mind needs to shift on the way.

00:47:30:06 – 00:47:57:20
I, I think about a few of these things because we're so scared to talk about it. No one's ever going to have those conversations because you're going to get you can't move towards a solution if you're not communicating. That's not no, I am. We've got we've got a dilemma this week and we've got, something out, you and I, which made me fucking pissed myself.

00:47:57:20 – 00:48:22:13
Amazing. Before we get on those, the topic for next week is going to be social clout chasers. Now, this is internet personalities that give me an example. Just give me one. So hate chess Tik Tok. Yeah. And his mate is Ed Matthews or something like that. There's a, there's lots of different Andrew like. Yeah Andrew Tate could be one of them.

00:48:22:15 – 00:48:53:08
There's just lots of different big people on the internet that I want to talk about. Okay. Staged pranks as well that, you know, I'm just I'm like, they're driving the cloud for that profile. The engagement is going up, the video views. But we we still watching these things and yeah, I just I don't know how we've got to this point but you do you see the one that the the he got shot by the person he was pranking.

00:48:53:10 – 00:49:09:22
They shot him in. It's on video. You can see on the internet he was not he was pranking. I can't remember what he was doing. And the guy just pulled out. Gun went like this and just shot him. I mean, yeah, I love you. Understand that? Understand that. My biggest one at the moment, which is going to sound weird.

00:49:09:24 – 00:49:33:10
Paedo hunters. Yeah. I mean it's it's a, it's a sticky, sticky subject. Still my, my timeline is awash with pedo hunters. I know they're everywhere on the. We can talk about it. We can talk about. Yeah we will and I just don't I don't understand it. I do understand it. And they're doing a good thing but not can you arrive at someone's door and demand that they eat dog food because they've missed it?

00:49:33:11 – 00:49:56:16
Can you, like, just stop beating them? I don't know, but we will go into all of this. Right? And if you have any examples of videos that you want to send free of internet personalities, obviously stage pranks, anything that you've seen, even the wholesome content, someone walked past a homeless person and gives them 500 pounds because they said, how are you doing today?

00:49:56:20 – 00:50:16:03
You were the first homeless person to ask me how I was. Here's $500 on this page. Not in the name. And that is toxic negativity. Yeah. God, I want to shoot myself. I want to shoot myself in the face. Ricky, I just don't care about any of this stuff anymore. I just like. All right, fine. You get on with it.

00:50:16:03 – 00:50:39:12
Leave me alone. And if you want to, you want to. We can. You want to patch up positivity in a bad way. And I know what it is about. Right. There's there's that's. We should let's save this for next week. But it's essentially people exploiting other people for financial gain. But Disney offers something that's positive. I think that's not exactly what toxic positivity is directly.

00:50:39:12 – 00:51:05:09
But we will go. We were going to, oh, this next week. If the email is in lads anon pod at gmail.com and we will answer your stories and any questions you have sent in. We're now going to go into dilemmas.

00:51:05:11 – 00:51:35:23
Oh. So, just tired. You got an issue for a tissue? You're a bit sad cause Cat will beast you. I can in your soul, alone in your flat. Please talk to Ricky a flat bed. Let that stress off your chest. Well, friendship is a bit like your side there to get nice warm between breaking them.

00:51:36:00 – 00:52:06:18
Okay. For this dilemma, it's called deep dilemma. And it's a waste. Knight and Flav is going to play that now. Hey, guys. American millennial aged woman person here. Big fan of all your work. Thanks a lot. And I just need to put out a PSA that we need to be the age group. The generation that gets over the embarrassment around any sort of erectile dysfunction.

00:52:06:20 – 00:52:37:06
Guys like, we're all human bodies. Change are supposed to change. We're flesh and blood. It's fine. It's normal. And you know what? There's so much research and studies about any sort of penis problem. There are thousands of anything that has to do with your dick. If there's a problem, it can be solved and you cannot make it. Your partner's problem to go and find a solution to this.

00:52:37:08 – 00:53:01:09
Guys, come on. We spent years on birth control so you can come in us and getting waxes. So we got a Barbie pussy and Kegels to stay tight. Let's return that energy. Let's return that energy in our 40s and beyond. We can do it. Totally believe in you. Also, if you ever want to in New York and you're in Manhattan and you want to come hang out with New York Spurs on a match day, we're at Flannery's at 14th and seventh.

00:53:01:09 – 00:53:34:03
Hope to see you there. Bye. He goes he goes to keep that. What? What? That, That's what women are up to. Is it. Yeah. He calls the Kate the snatched tie I think is what she said. Yeah. What is that? So, you know, I just, you know, I didn't, you know, it's when. So it's it's the muscles down there, you know, like, you can do an exercise.

00:53:34:05 – 00:53:56:00
Yeah. You know, like, men can do it as well, where you're also. Yeah. Kind of. No, no, no, no, it's not for you. Also it for your, I don't actually know what it's for. I think it might be for, like, longer lasting or longer lasting erections. Yeah. I, I don't know what she's talking about. Erectile erectile dysfunction.

00:53:56:02 – 00:54:22:20
So the, I listen to the dilemma. Yeah. And I was a bit, a bit lost on some of it. Why? What? Because I didn't I didn't quite know what the, the, the crux of the matter was. Well, obviously she's had situations where the men have beat themselves up about having erectile dysfunction. Correct. I've had a couple of times.

00:54:22:22 – 00:54:53:17
So after a bit of back and forth I got to the bottom of it and it's it's the the general overall problem of men not wanting to go to the doctors seeking help for, erectile dysfunction or getting via GRA or if they've got something wrong with their penis and it's smelling and I don't know, I don't know what it might be, but just generally men will never go to the stuff.

00:54:53:17 – 00:55:13:18
So it I guess it's put on the woman to, to research to find that, to go and buy the creams to get in the pharmacy to do this. Not the about, masculinity to masculine to go and get sorted. Well, I've a, I've had a couple, I've had a couple of times where well a couple of not, you know, not being able to,

00:55:13:20 – 00:55:39:09
Rudy. Yeah. Back on single days back and say hi on my I never had an issue of MDMA that was like the superpower of mine. Could it also, I'm not promoting this, but you just cannot come on. It. Right. Okay. Yeah. No. Yeah. Right. Okay. You cannot you just you cannot cannot. And I just won't go out.

00:55:39:10 – 00:56:08:23
I, but then Viagra this is to my point is, back in those days, just popped a couple of Viagra south of problem. And, you know, I did it, I did it. I went and sorted that out. And by sorting out, I think I used to nick it off my brother a I, I, I've only taken Viagra once and that was when I was 17 or 18 when Viagra first came out.

00:56:09:00 – 00:56:27:20
They were you were able to buy them over the counter. You can sign in Spain, in the pharmacy in Spain. And I was, I was in, last holiday, right, to Magaluf as we were going to the airport or is in the airport, we saw them and one of my mates parked up the courage and bought the Viagra on the plane.

00:56:27:20 – 00:56:48:09
On the way back from on the way back on the way back on the plane, we were laughing, looking at the packaging. Who's going to take one? Who's going to do this fucking bitty big ballocks here, give me the tablet next year. Well I've done. I had a stonking erection for two hours. So on the plane the whole way home.

00:56:48:09 – 00:57:11:02
And do you know what it. There was so much blood to it. It was it. It wasn't enjoyable. It really hurt. And at that time, like at the early 2000s, I was wearing three quarter length trousers. That's all the rage back then. And my mates very tight. My mates kept pressing the air hostess person to come over and she like, hi, can I help you?

00:57:11:02 – 00:57:32:13
And they kept moving. You know, the brace position menu away from my Charles and saying Ricky's got a bone, have a look. And they were like laughing. And I was like, this is so is not on. They refined Viagra in later years so that you don't just take a pill and and you get hardened like that. Well, what it doesn't just go, you take a pill 20 minutes later, you got a hard on.

00:57:32:13 – 00:57:51:21
It isn't like that. You have to be aroused for it to be hot. Always your ass. That's not a problem. That's probably part of the issue, right? But once you get there, it doesn't go on. After a while, you're like, I'm sick of this. Now it's and it's not just it's fucking about as hard as it can get for leading.

00:57:51:21 – 00:58:15:16
Yeah. I mean, and so and even after you Jack that it's still still up. Still rock. And now I don't think I was ever able to. I would like to try this out personal it just to see what a good wife. Yeah. And I bet. But then. Yeah, but I don't want to, like, take one and then, like,

00:58:15:18 – 00:58:35:24
Yeah, afterwards, just be lying there with a raging boner that the of mate. It's doesn't really hurt. It's just a bit like I do without this right now, because, yeah, I've done all the sex bit, and now I've just realized we've not even answered the dilemma. Yeah. No men, men going to.

00:58:36:01 – 00:58:56:04
Mental health. Yeah. Oh, my. Mental illness. Yeah. So how would you. It's easy to answer, isn't it? Just fucking do it. Yeah. Oh, okay. Just forgot about that. Just can't do it. What's the problem? I think there's a there's a different thing that isn't necessarily masculine. Although I'm less men. Joseph the doctor less men go to the doctor than women are.

00:58:56:04 – 00:59:17:18
Imagine. Oh for sure. I think it's about fear of finding out that you're dying or there's something bad going on. That's why I. Yeah, why not go there? Is that there? There's there's that one. Oh there's one that the flip side of like you're thinking you're going to die for everything. Not me. Yeah. But I don't actually go to the doctors all the time, believe it or not.

00:59:17:20 – 00:59:38:01
But again, for if there was a problem with my pain. Yeah. Or the French franks and beans, then I don't know if I'll. If I would, I try and work out myself. Okay. If I quit before. If I had a really achy bollock. Don't know where it came from. What did you think? Like I didn't. Yeah.

00:59:38:01 – 01:00:03:15
Testicular cancer. Brilliant, brilliant. That's it. Thank you. That's it. Yeah. But again, I didn't go to the doctors about it. I just I just left it out, and then I, I if I, if I was struggling with erectile dysfunction and I'd be like, wow, this is just my life now. Yeah. Just like this then. Yeah, I think yeah, I think that's what most men do.

01:00:03:18 – 01:00:24:11
Oh, if you're listening, if you're listening and you've got something wrong with you and it's weighing on your mind or, you know, it's become a bit of an issue with you and you miss or you and your partner or even it's just an issue in your own look. I look it up on the internet if you need to go to the don't look it up on the internet.

01:00:24:14 – 01:00:40:01
Yeah, I can offer advice. After I said that, I did realize awful advice that you know what? You know what? It's terrible advice. I'll tell you why. Because you don't get the correct answer. You get the answer that most people have looked at, because that's the way SEO looks like it looks like. Yeah. And what's people going to be most drawn to?

01:00:40:03 – 01:00:56:16
Cancer. Yeah. Date cancer. Date cancer. You've got that cancer. Yeah yeah yeah. Never. But I've got it. Balance fallen off. But all my pants down to go for a way in my belly. And it's just nestled in my boxers. Yeah. You've got six weeks to live. So they don't. The internet isn't there to give you the correct answer.

01:00:56:16 – 01:01:16:22
It's to give you the most popular answer. That's why I and chat bots are very dangerous and ChatGPT is dangerous. You type in, you could type in exactly what your issue is, and they will find and scour the internet and give you the best result, but not the they don't know what right and wrong is, they just know how to pass on information effectively.

01:01:16:24 – 01:01:41:07
That's what's scary about it. Do not go to the notice, just go to the doctors. Can I, can I can I make a request quick for people who are listening to this? Send this sentence in your most embarrassing stuff. Be done with doctors. But what? You've gone to the doctors and you're like, oh God, I don't want to do this, but going, this is going to be deep in me or what?

01:01:41:09 – 01:02:02:24
My I've got, I've got a few, I've got a few. I'll tell you what I will tell mine. If people tell that. Yeah that's true that that's that's fair. Yeah. Yeah I've got, I've got a, I've got a good view. Yeah. How many times have you had fingers in you. Oh God. Maybe four, four times. You've been. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

01:02:03:02 – 01:02:21:02
Then move it around. Or is it just still. No no no. Laughter they have to do a sweep but a free 60 with your finger just to check this. No. How's that feel. When I'm looking for lumps. Yeah. Lumps, tumors, anything like that. I haven't done my prostate exam yet. Right. You've got that to go. When that when?

01:02:21:02 – 01:02:48:01
When do you do it? Now. No, but now I just say now. You don't know the answer. Yeah. At what age do you have to go and get your prostate? Don't you. It's. Now don't say that. What they're bringing into the NHS is, your dad's got to do it. With his dick. So, Oh, no. Guts.

01:02:48:03 – 01:03:09:16
Why why why are they bringing that in? Rick. No. PSA tests the parent. That's what they called are available to all men over 50. So I'm right. For eight years was PSA test. The amount of PSA in your blood is measured in nanograms. Oh, you don't have to be fingered anymore. No I resign. Oh, I can do it now.

01:03:09:18 – 01:03:20:23
The amount of PSA in your blood actually maybe the fingering is free, but the PSA test cost something. So if you go in NHS you've got if you think it's still.

01:03:21:00 – 01:03:45:03
Even if it didn't I'd say can you just do it from me? Honestly, if I, if I going to get my prostate checked and I get fingered, that would be the first time in my life. Really? Yeah. Genuinely. The first time anything has been in my ass. God, you're so frigid. I I'm fine. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right.

01:03:45:03 – 01:04:05:06
I'm not because I'm not. I'm not gonna be bullied. I'm not gonna be peer pressured into being fingered by you. I'm not I'm not trying. I'm not trying to bully you, all right? I'm surprised. Just surprised. Look, let me know. Let me know. Can we do. I can't do a policy. Weird. But what? So what I found out through, you know, speaking to you boys.

01:04:05:06 – 01:04:29:08
Now, over the years, I'm in, like, the minority, like most men have been. That have put up their own asses, the minority. And, you know, I get dug out for it. I'm the weird one for not being not shoving things up my ass, apparently. You know, it's, it's. I think it's just because you're so uncomfortable with the notion or the idea.

01:04:29:10 – 01:04:48:08
I'm not. I'm comfortable with it. I'm. No, I am uncomfortable. It doesn't sound like it. No no no no no no no. Don't get me wrong, I am uncomfortable with people shoving things in my ass. What about if your wife did it in a sexy manner? She wanted to. Luckily, she doesn't want to, but I just hypothetical. She's just one like that.

01:04:48:08 – 01:05:16:07
I'm just for. I'm. I'm going to go for it. See what you know. Pissed up. I'll pissed up. Yeah. I mean, yeah, she would be the one. But if it had to happen. But I bet I had a couple of one night stands and I tried to, I really had to. It's like someone I know. Describe to me the feeling of being fingered is like the feeling being chased by somebody with it.

01:05:16:09 – 01:05:38:13
Being chased by someone who's faster than you. Can't get away. What was your. What do you say? Yeah. So, like, there had been, like, some times when they like you, like, like. Yeah. Just trying to just move my ass away from him really quick. Really? So he did. Yeah. Yeah. So I shot the other one.

01:05:38:13 – 01:06:03:16
I don't know what. Maybe I let what I like or what I'm scared of. He's like, just shit going everywhere. Well, I don't think he's going to erupt in some kind of volcanic brown lagoon. Oh. You're, Alex has a story that that happened. Yeah. And it was a happy ending for him. Was it? Yeah. It was a bloody glorious ending for him.

01:06:03:18 – 01:06:33:07
What was it? I think it was. She touched this his, you know, the male G-spot. And he, ejaculated instantly. It was milked like. No, that's. You can't tell these stories. I'm talking about the person he was with. Can we get Alex on for one? And we just get him to study stories? Yeah. Why not? Budgie? Yeah, yeah, cause let's,

01:06:33:09 – 01:06:54:22
Yeah, he was milked. He loves it. Yeah, he's up for it. Yeah, but, if there's anyone out there that can, in in either camp of, I would never, ever, ever. That's what I want to know. Have anything. Am I with it in or around my bum? Because I'm a man and I'm a manly man. Masculine man.

01:06:54:24 – 01:07:17:15
It's not a man, it's not Maddox. Or if if you're, you know, if you're quite partial to, a digit or you've picked if you've been pegged, if you're, you know, let us know. Let us know. Do we do an episode about a man's asshole? Do we do we do that? Can we we we haven't. But we get I reckon we should.

01:07:17:15 – 01:07:44:13
All right. I reckon we should do in or out. We call it in or out and. Yeah. Because it's. And also in tune. But just to finish on masculinity before we go to the, something only, you know. I've often think for like. There's nothing more masculine than having sex with another man, right. That's about as masculine as you can get.

01:07:44:15 – 01:08:14:22
Yeah, because women are soft and they're lovely and they smell perky and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's gentle. Gentle. Yeah. And it's quite sensual. Yeah, yeah. You go feel fantastic. Like a woman's body feels amazing to touch. Yeah, yeah. Men are disgusting. There'd be nothing like a another man rotting behind you. And you getting beard rash from his beard resting on the back of your neck as he smashing you to bits.

01:08:14:22 – 01:08:44:23
That's what. That's pretty manly. It's about as manly as you can get. Yeah, yeah. Stinks of beer. Yeah. And six. Yeah. Six. Yeah. Got a little twinge, then thinking about it going in. Right. We're going to go on to something only you know.

01:08:45:00 – 01:08:52:21
Something you know.

01:08:52:23 – 01:09:21:01
Where did that come from? Anyway, you didn't know what it's. Anyway, haven't had a few beers. I feel I can safely email into you chaps to confirm that shooting one's load whilst on the flop is actually quite easy to achieve. The. It requires alcohol, tiredness and the firm belief that you can't sleep until you have released the poison.

01:09:21:03 – 01:09:47:11
Eventually softness will set in, but with a bit of determination you can still shake hands with the demon seed. So whilst I'm here, I wanted to mention something else that happens to me quite regularly. I've never mentioned this to anybody else. On occasion, whilst having a really big poo, a full load of gas comes out of my oh boy, what?

01:09:47:13 – 01:10:20:02
It doesn't squirt, it just hangs there and requires a gentle flick to be set free. I have to remember to check after our flush. As it turns out, the spunk that's flicked into the ceramic bowl is quite adhesive and often remains. Not sure if this is groundbreaking, or if you or your listeners have a have ever experienced this, but I just wanted to put it out there, and that's something only I know.

01:10:20:04 – 01:10:44:14
She saved that for the, in or out episode. I like I'm, I'm an I'm an open but I'm an honest guy. I will tell you anything that's ever happened to me that has never happened to me. Was that emailed in that was emailed in? Well, but I think Jesus name it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything's. Yeah. Anonymous.

01:10:44:15 – 01:11:03:07
Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I'm not asking you to tell the world. I'm just wondering if you set up a new account or something. Yeah. You're right. That would stay with me. But is it, could it be like you've heard of the prostate? Speaking of prostate exams and stuff, that. Yeah, it's it's like a sneaky secret eject button, isn't it?

01:11:03:08 – 01:11:23:09
Oh, shit. I hadn't thought about that. So he's he's basically his own shit. Is maybe his, his button is is more pronounced than. Yeah other people. And when he's doing a hefty turn out that is nudging it a bit bit more than. But is he is he. We need a bit more information. Is he is he just aroused?

01:11:23:09 – 01:11:34:06
Is he getting an orgasm or is it just an EEG? Let us know for the in and out and yeah, he, did.

01:11:34:07 – 01:12:17:05
Okay. I can't believe I'm going to say this. I'm going to say. Anyway, someone posted a thing in from from Reddit and it was, like a confession. And this guy was saying that every time he wanted to twist one off, he would go into the toilet and poo. But wank at the same time to say that nobody would know that he was guiding the to wank one off site, and he would have it never turn out, but he got so used to doing that that his body, anytime he wanted to wank, he immediately needed to go for a poo and and that that was constantly in his psyche all the time.

01:12:17:05 – 01:12:36:14
And that's how his body would react. Now I read that and then for some reason, every time that I wanted to do that, my brain was like, you need to go and pay Rick. So it was it got into my head. Yeah, that much? It never actually happened. But I was always what when you when you're at it.

01:12:36:16 – 01:12:56:01
Yeah. Always frightened that when I arrived I would share the same time. Never tell your missus. Never tell a lie. Because every time you make love now she's going to think. Do you need a poo? Yes. You can never know. They. It never actually happened. But it stayed with me for a couple of weeks. Was that distracting? Yeah.

01:12:56:01 – 01:13:14:04
It was, it was a bit distracting. So every time you've ever had sex, you also needed to poo at the same time. No, this happened for like a two week period. I didn't mean it still happens. One of the someone said it and in the WhatsApp group I read it stayed with me for a couple of weeks and I just got that sensation.

01:13:14:04 – 01:13:33:14
But luckily I moved on from so I didn't actually have to do it like this gentleman is having here. But has that ever happened to you? Never. Oh no. No, I mean, I like the you know, sometimes when I get as I've mentioned this before, we go into a hotel room and last night it suddenly need to turn out.

01:13:33:16 – 01:14:04:06
Yeah, but the sex, the, the I, the blank. Right. Finish on that, on that, on that bloody high night. And next week's topic is going to be social clout chases. So you got your pedo hunt is is staged wholesome content. Your internet personalities sending your stuff to lads. Anon pod at gmail.com. Any dilemmas you have send it our way and something only you know.

01:14:04:12 – 01:14:35:04
Again, smash it over to the email address and we will see you next Monday. On the night see like Band of Brothers playing tunes. Hi is quite midnight. Waves surfing through till daylight breaks. Rhythm hit us different ways. Love of music. We prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band is we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains.

01:14:35:06 – 01:14:37:20
Promise.