#41 | Psychedelics | what you HAVE to know before taking a trip…

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I am not the most surrealist situation of my life, I think ever. And that will ever happen to me. Well, my old man, he came round there on Wednesday. Yep. We went to the local cemetery and we were shown plots around the cemetery of where he's going to be buried. And we were having a pros and cons chat of that.

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What do you think about this plot here? It's got trees and, you know, it's really nice. Yeah, I don't, I don't I wreck the, if it's got trees, the roots underneath them. I have to, like, get my coffin out again. And, and I thought, well, I, you know, I just want to be put in it.

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All right. Okay. What about that one over there? That. Yeah, that's in the sunshine. That one that's got, No. Look at all the foliage. The leaves are. Yeah. There's two. Look. How many leaves are there? So, now you're going to be, like, raking all those up. I'm gonna, I don't know. So we were just going around a graveyard thinking.

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How did this come, come about? Like, did you say, right on this date, we are going to the graveyard, and we're going to find out where I'm going to be buried forever. No, he just he said to me ages ago. So there's a place at Milton Keynes. Crown Hill, Crown nail Crematorium. But it's got a massive graveyard. And he said to me, Rick, can you go and find out what I need to do so that I can get buried in there?

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Eventually? I said, yeah, yeah, sure. Is anyone else buried in there? Anyone else in the family? Not that I know of. I just they're on his own. He lives in. I was pre, a shipping back to Milton Keynes, and, and there's no room there, so I. No, I didn't do any, investigation work for him because I'm a bad son.

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So we went off and done it himself. And then they found this plots in the place where I actually live. And it's a five minute walk from my house. I was like, do you know what? If I'm going to get buried, that's where I would go. So at least we would be together in that fact. And that was a fucking weird conversation as well like that.

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You go there that like we had a conversation like there is three graves. And I said that if you pick the middle one and there's a family that went three together, then it going to go is that we can talk that one up and we are definitely going to have to I can get in there next year I think.

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So what about I don't know I'm not I don't know man. I will have to chat to her later. But I know like where we're going to go when we die and what we're going to do and we're like, that one's two need a path for that one. And this graveyard. Right? So you've got an old established graveyard, a Victorian graveyard, and it's like the first there's a building that it says, like 1892, a lovely place.

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And then they've extended it, and the extended bed is literally like, a Sunday League football pitch, just grass for miles. There's no trees, there's no nothing. It's just fucking horrible. And I sat down. I thought, like, I don't think you should go there. I don't want to go. That's miserable. Well, I'm not visiting you there, but I mean, for me, like that is fascinating.

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I love the idea of, you see, there's a place with free. It's almost like when you have a piss in urinals. Like, which one do you take? It's strategic about you won't have a bloke standing next to. Yeah. That is strange. I don't think I'd ever have that. I don't think I'd ever do that with my dad.

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Happy. But do you know. What do you know? Weirdly, we haven't even spoken about it. We don't speak about when he dies. I think he doesn't want to talk about it. So it's really healthy. Your dad is having that conversation with you. He showed me that, he bought a plan a couple of years ago. He's been paying money into it.

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Funeral plans? Yeah. He's like flowers, cars, graveyard plot, tombstone. All done. Don't have to worry about anything. Just stick me in the, all pay for all done. I was like, that is really good. And then we were sitting there and we were just bantering, sitting on this bench, looking at these pots, laughing. And it was really it was so natural.

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And it was away from the masses and you could just hear the birds tweeting and the, you know, just natural kind of, natural life going on around you. And I was at peace and just knowing that he would have been there. He's 72. There's nothing wrong with him. And like, he could go on living for an extra fucking 20, 30 years.

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Whatever you reckon. Hundred and two big then getting 200. And by the. I've seen his fry ups on a Saturday morning inside this format probably. Yeah probably not. But, Yeah, it was so fucking weird, man. So we know that's a that's I actually see when you listen to that it sounds like a really positive thing and it's, it's positive.

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Like you don't. The last thing you want to think about is your parents like afraid. Right. And he thought he isn't afraid by the sounds of it. He's right. He's just like, yeah, just stick me in that. I'll bet that'd be right. I've been paying into it for years and have to worry about anything. On the way back, it was just there was a silent moment.

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I went, daddy went. Well, I said, if you could live forever and I mean forever. Forever. Yeah. Or you or you just died naturally. Yeah. What would you choose? We could go on forever. You wouldn't? Nuh I do, you know, eventually when I got. I don't want to live forever. Yeah. And I was like. But what about if you do live forever, you really do live forever.

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So when the earth it all the natural resources gone, it cracks open and it disintegrates. You're just floating around in space forever. You don't even see anyone. That's what you'd be doing. Ain't worth the risk, is it? Nah, I thought that. No, cuz, like, it was like, you know, it was. You always get these, these situations where every generation thinks they're the last generation.

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The end of the world is nigh. It's been there was it's been it's been the way people, making prophecies about the end of the world and when it will happen. Yeah. So it's likely that the world, despite climate change and all this shit, will go on for a long time, but eventually, at some point in the future, something bad is going to happen.

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Yeah. And everyone's done apart from you because you made that part way back then, and it's just sitting there in your tongue in nothingness, black, just floating around in space. Nothing. Nothing. No sounds, no nothing. There'd be no sun. So there wouldn't be black. Wouldn't even be a thing that you could see. Because black is a shade, right.

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So you need in order to perceive something is there. There needs to be some thing for light to bounce off of in order to see it. So it would just be complete nothingness. And guess what? Well, this is what happens when you die, right? Yeah. Forever. Except thankfully, your brain doesn't realize it and you turn off in this instance, she's gone.

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You're going to be dead, but you're gonna know you're dead. Yeah. And the greatest gift of death is that you don't know. Yeah. And that's that's why, you know, there's nothing. There's nothing to be afraid of. It really? Really. Is that is, you know, you're not aware when you became conscious. And you won't be aware when you pass away.

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Yeah. It's just it's just will become. It'll be nothing to worry about. You won't even be able to perceive that you even existed. Or there's some thoughts. I've been looking at some stuff recently. It's like. Alan, what's his name? I'll find the name of him. But he talks about that. The idea of rolling into something else, the afterlife of some sort.

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And I don't believe it, but I really find it interesting to to listen to, and it's quite rare. Yeah, yeah. Quite comforting. I did, I did try and get him on a couple of, I tried to, to tempt him. I said, what about that? Right. Yeah. The extension is for 500 years. And he was like, no, no, no, because my body, I'm likes him out.

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And I said, no, listen, they find a pill and your body, you still you still you still Dennis. Right. But your body goes back to when it's 21 years old. So you live for 500 years. You'll be a 21 year old body of a 21 year old. I think it did. It did not sit and just stroke. His chin is like, no, no, I don't want it.

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That's enough. Good. I know, Rick, because you're because it needs to be an element of jeopardy. There, right? Yeah. He's 500. You will be lost for 500 years. If you're saying to me, 21. Well, no, I wouldn't want to be 21. I like a fucking little creature at 21. Oh. Let me see if he give me one body at 32.

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Right when I was at my peak, I what I considered to be my peak. And then you said, right, you got your body. There's going to be no health issues on 500 years from this day, you perish. Do you want to do it? You got to think about that. You'd see day. But what happens if you're like 90 years in and the world ends in like, fuck, I've got five of got left, still left 410 years that now you take the risk.

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But you five days you might do no me no luck is well it's like it's a 498 years and it's for fuck's sake. Tottenham still haven't won the league. Absolutely. Fucking cunts.

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Them night hazy like Band of Brothers playing tunes high is quite midnight. Waves surfing through till daylight breaks rhythm us different ways. Love of music that we prayed with our tongues in cheek. Bang aside. We like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Promise.

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How's it going? Flav? It's good. I did a tweet yesterday right at sort of I had a glass of wine. Right. It's a Friday night. My missus. Yeah, my missus works shifts, so I don't we don't like what is typically a weekend for people. We don't have that right. So it might happen midweek anyway. In this instance it was a Friday night.

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So for, let's make a roast dinner. It's been all right. She's work on Sunday. Call her on the roast and then a couple of glasses of wine. And then, like, I tend to get a bit creative when I get a glass of wine. So I put a tweet out about buying a house. But it was the tweet wasn't about buying a house.

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The tweet was about crowbar making more into buying a house. Right? Okay. Yeah, yeah. Anybody listen to this brilliant member here? As you just heard, a big Spurs fans and we've got this 17 year old prodigy who's sensational right. So yeah all I can do is think about this 17 year old boy that he's.

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Not sexually obviously. I shouldn't even need to put that in there. Well, anyway, so I've written this, I've written this, this tweets at a brand new house. Stressful is the missus wants to talk about it. You know, it's dealing with estate agents and vendors. And so this is all, how do I fit much more into the conversation?

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Someone like that, I'd butchered it, but. And then loads people just kind of amazing. Congratulations. You buy now. So that's nice. And another one. Amazing. Nice. No one was mentioned in the joke. The whole the whole reason why did the tweet was to make the monkey more joke. That was the key. That was the take home. That was the punchline.

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Everyone just congratulated me about health, which is lovely, but it's not. I was born, it. I wanted people to laugh at me anyway, I think. I think I did see the tweet actually. I replied because, like like loads of people. Congratulations. And then someone else had put in their, a stressful because they're all liars. They all just want to take your money or someone that's like fucking, a stressing out.

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It looks and he needs to fuck you there. Listen to this one. Right. I'll tweet. This is so this is tweet. I'm in the process of buying a house is stressful. Spending a huge amount of time dealing with solicitors, vendors and estate agents. People warned me about how taxing this period is. The missus wants to talk about it all the time, wondering how I can fit much more into the conversation.

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That was the tweet. Yeah. Ben Foreman, he's a he's definitely listen to this big fan have been you know we've he's been listening to podcasts for years because the entire owning a house part won't be any less stressful. Be prepared to learn how to repair a lot of things you never expected to repair. Don't put off home repairs either.

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And she has been. I, I, it doesn't even have central heating. Ricky. Yeah, I am is scary. I mean, yeah, I like, isn't I totally about it because I don't really want to like, put the wind up here or anything. It's a, it's a beautiful house. It should be. And there is so much potential. But, there's potential.

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It's going to be, not really. It's going to be a bit of a slog to begin with. Chiswick. But you. Yeah. And I but the thing is, she got it at the an ace. Ace like he knows. Would you consider me a handy person? I, of everyone that I know, I would probably put you at the bottom of the pile of handiness.

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Yeah, I would too. I ain't doing anything. I'd rather go broke paying someone to do it. It's funny, though, because it. Dad's for you and your brother is. Is it? Well, yeah. Yeah, even Ross's kid you've got there because he's got a new house. He's had to look at Joe. He's. Well, yeah, they're all they're all really happy.

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And Adam's like rich, so he just can afford to pay every. So, so yeah, I, I, I, I'm in the, precarious predicament. But when I walk round now, I was like, this is too much house to not not give it a go. And if it's if we can get that finish in a year or two, it would be a sensational place to live.

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Yeah. There's just so much potential. It's just what I plan. And we should move on with the show shortly. But my plan was go find the house from within my budget. Yeah, go and live there. That sounds like the sensible thing. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's pay off as much upfront as possible. We've walked into this house and I've known because Ollie has gone through so many houses and she's never found one.

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The the. You just tell she doesn't like the house, I can tell. Yeah. She's walked in there and I was like, oh, no, there's no signs she likes this house. Oh fuck. She likes this house. And I'm looking round and it's fucking massive. And I was like, so I can plan was to you have a big deposit is now we got to pay the smallest amount deposit as possible.

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Right. I can just have as much cash as possible to, to do it. And we ain't going off. That's right. As long as you. As long as it's habitable, you'll be all right. And then you couldn't, work the rest of your life until you die. And then you have a beautiful home, but you'll be dead. So,

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Oh, sorry. Rick. Psychedelics might help for this period. They they. Absolutely. Well, I'm going to jump straight into that. But for day, the show last week eight is not is a lot of mentions for Brave Star which was a quality cartoon I remember. Oh well hang on bro I was that horse. Yeah, yeah. The cowboy tight. Yeah yeah.

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I haven't thought about that since I was about six years old. How would that. That's good. You know what was great about last week's episode? It was just like it was just a nostalgia fest, wasn't it? Yeah. The. And there's so many comments as well of like, oh, you forgot this. And so this Centurions I remember the night love century.

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Really I didn't watch it. So centurions had like these suits and they, they would when they needed to fucking fuck something up. Like when there's a dinosaur that comes down that ain't supposed to be. Oh, everyone they would throw into the air and then the suits would just attached to them bits to them. The centurion. Oh yeah. I think they could fly.

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And then they could. They turn into cars and shit. I think if I remember rightly, that's pretty good. I like centurions. Do you know of, the hurricanes? I mentioned the hurricanes on the podcast. Did you read hurricanes Champion spirits here to stay? That's about football and hurricanes. So what what happened to to be some sort of problem that I have to solve during the episode and but but as a kid, to just watch it, you got to get to the football.

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I think for football, at the end of the episode, the five minute football game against the rabbits or the typhoons, that that does ring a bell. Yeah. Finders keepers. I don't remember that funhouse at that. I don't know if we brought that up or not, but. Yeah. Funhouse we've patch up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was that was the twins.

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Do you remember when Yewtree was all, was all kicking off with Project Yewtree? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And when they got here, they get like Arris, they got Savile. They got. Yeah. Few, few, few big names went down. Right. I was convinced Pat sharp was coming up at some stage where they just thought like, oh, isn't anyway Nancy. And that's, this is, you know, he's clearly not.

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And and has never been. But I just thought house jelly. Yeah. Slime. Slime kids just for as a recipe for disaster. It, it.

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Packs up now as you mentioned psychedelics get straight in there. So this is a the topic is psychedelics. And this is what it says in the dictionary of in the drugs causing effects on the mind, such as feelings of deep understanding or unusually strong experiences of color, sound, taste and touch. Now when someone says psychedelics, what does it mean to you?

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So for me, I think back to I think I my mind probably goes back to the 60s, back to the Beatles and it's hippies with long hair sitting in a circle doing acid trips or mushrooms. I think of some of the clips in Forrest Gump. And I also remember this is probably a lie, but I'm going to say it.

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And because I've said it on a podcast, it means it's true now. But Jimi Hendrix, I swear I read that he used to put acid tabs under his bandana on his head and where he would sweat on stage, it would, it would like, ingest into his skin osmosis. Yeah, yeah. The skin. Yeah. Yes. Doesn't sound true. Doesn't sound well at that.

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It's I don't know, maybe it would be, we should we should have asked drugs, Nick to uncover Nick's. He would know all this stuff. My experience with LSD, is it how it gets distributed? In my experience, it's almost like, blotting paper, which is quite. It's quite hard. It does dissolve in your mouth, but pretty. But the paper is quite hard.

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I was remembering what people used to tell me that you could do it in your like, you could put your eyelids paper there and you would like. So I know I know this stuff. Right? And it's like we got a good friend of ours we're not allowed to mention because he said, I asked permission, said, can we talk about you putting things up your ass all the time?

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And he was like, no, you don't have permission for this is this is something that we share in the WhatsApp group, not not for public consumption. He's quite annoyed with me. Said, no, no, you don't have my permission. Do not talk on the podcast about me putting things up my ass all the time. And we had to do actually do work and edit the podcast as well, because I haven't, because I just thought, yeah, it'll be five minutes, but then when you think about it, you know, thousands of people do listen to it.

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And you're like, he probably doesn't want to know people to know that that his preference for putting cocaine in these bodies by pipetting it up his ass. It's the reason why I'm getting to this, Ricky, is that is I. Why put it under your eyelid? Why? I don't know. So the answer you always get is, oh, it's going to go faster.

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Yeah. I don't wait an extra ten. Can't wait an extra ten minute because that's what we're talking about. It's still going to work. It's just, you know, your high faster, your high faster, but it just takes a while for it to kick in. Might take an hour. It might take two hours. Right. It's what you're saving ten minutes by putting in your eye.

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But I never understood it. When you say like. Like that. Yeah, I. I wouldn't understand why you do that. Well, like when you, when you first heard about it, when you growing up. Yeah. What was your row. What, what stuff did it conjure up for you? So psychedelics for me back in the day, it was the last thing I would try in terms of drug taking.

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It was so far removed from what I thought drug taking was. Do you know what I mean? Right. It was the kind of thing you'd do in Amsterdam because truffles were legal. There were legal there. And. But in terms of it's not we just didn't come across mushrooms much as a kid. So like, the whole idea of drug taking when we were younger would have been, you know, coke and pills.

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That was it. Really. Sure. And on various occasions, speed. Yeah. Regrettable occasions. There were occasions where, And then. And then what? You sort of like the Meow Meow explosion as well. That was that. That last felt like it lasted a couple of weekends, but probably a lot longer than that. Anyway, it just, psychedelics never came into my sphere, and it was almost like, like you said, some of the hippies would do.

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But now it's like, super popular, like mushrooms, because of the ways you can ingest it. Mushrooms were, are just so accessible now and people are getting into them. But there's a very specific for me, the specific places where you should and shouldn't, what not should. If you want to take them. But then being used recreationally, like, for example, I went and saw a band called The Smile.

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Yeah. About it last March, basically. And so we were taking mushrooms then, and it what didn't work for me, it was too much. It was. There were too many people. What they do mushrooms is enable you to you. What happens to me at least, is you go into yourself and your brain kicks into gear and everything is a process and you feel a high, you feel like a rush of it.

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You know, dopamine and serotonin is flowing through you. So it feels good. But for me, I'm very introspective on it. So I so the idea of going to a gig and experience and enjoying it was difficult. My problem is, is someone had and I was there, I would do it again. That's the problem. So yeah, so so that was it grown up.

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It was like something I never would do. Rick. And then. And then, and the only time I did do it was at university. And these cups of fucking horrible caps were being passed around, which was somewhat portrait all over. Disgusting. Oh, gods. Yeah. When so when I was younger. Exactly. Like, like you saying, I believe it or not, that I was very to the, the, the the people that I hung around with.

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If this certain circle of friends that, I was very late to the drugs parties, I was always that guy that I'm like my kind of am I? You know, I'm the natural light to crack on. You do what you want to do. And I just wouldn't partake. And one day, I think I went back to someone's house and there was no beer, and everyone else was.

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Was, doing pills, and I was like, there's no alcohol. No what? We'd been drinking beforehand. And I think it was then back to this day, some to see what happens. And I was like, I think there was that we were trying to go to a petrol station. We went to a couple of petrol stations. They had no booze, and then I had a couple of cans on main.

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I thought I gonna have a couple of cans and then see what happens. The couple of cans quite quickly. And then it was like I had now I've me not doing anything and loads of people having the best time they've ever had. And I was like, I'm getting really bit this, I know I am. Everyone thinks everyone thinks if it's it.

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Then I had a half and then the come up from the half. Where's the other half? I need to feel that again. I mean, this is the. This is the first time you ever took ecstasy. Yeah. It was. Yeah. Yeah, a very first time. And then so, because I was late to the that kind of chemical side.

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Yeah. It was it was all right with, with the chemical stuff, but the it always scared me, like LSD, acid, mushrooms, like losing your mind. People jumping off cliffs and because they think they're somewhere else. So I didn't like that fact that, I would lose control of not knowing where to you. Just so off and walking down the road and shit like that.

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What you just said about thinking if you fly jumping off buildings, that was what? That is exactly what I used to think about, about them. That you would lose control and you would think you could fly and there'd be you wouldn't have a sense of reality. I think that that was scary about them. So that that did happen to that was why I wouldn't go near them, because I was scared of that happening.

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In the same way, you wouldn't take pills because you thought you were going to get you were going to end up take the pill that betsey's. Yeah, but what actually happened, really, Abetz, was that she ingested too much water and that's what killed her. It wasn't the ecstasy pill. So I'm pretty sure that's what happened. I've heard that as well.

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There was a propensity and there is a propensity to drink over hydrate when you're on pills because you're hot and you're moving around and you and you dance, you want to dance. If you're going to a rave and you're taking ecstasy, you move. You just it just essentially the drug you would, you would imagine was designed for rave culture back in the 80s and 90s, and ingesting lots of water in a short amount of time can very quickly kill you.

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Shivan. Yeah, that I mean, but the message you got from that was if you take that pill. Yeah. Hospital bed hoses coming out your mouth.

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And so they did a good job in scaremongering. Right. And and yeah, it's not there's nothing wrong and it's being wary. Yeah. Yeah. Could be wary and beaten. You should be concerned for your health when taking anything. So, when I first did, matches, I went to Amsterdam. This was when I was younger and a lot younger.

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Thinking back to it now, and this was a time where I wasn't in my, my boss stage of smoking weed. This was someone out there. I'd have a little smoke, probably have a little, like a, And it was Amsterdam. It's, you know, red light district. It was. Let's just go show a group of lads we went over.

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We had no luck because this is the early days back then, like, so. I must have been like 18, 19 or whatever. The internet. I don't know if it was really a thing back then, but I'd, we'd just gone over to Amsterdam and it was like, we'll get there and we'll book into the first thing that we see.

00:28:36:09 – 00:28:59:21
So we found this hostel called The Last Watering Hole, and it was a fucking disgusting, utterly disgusting. And where we were then there was like 10 or 12 lads and we said, we're looking for, you know, ten, 12 lads to come in like a hostel, whatever. It was like, yeah, yeah, I've got room for all of you. You're going to be in the same room.

00:28:59:24 – 00:29:17:15
We were not fucking getting there. Everyone's turning round to each other, shaking hands and whacking each other on the back, getting there. We went in there and it was just a ginormous room of 30 bunk beds. So. And it was like this flea bitten cesspit. And I remember I was in there and I woke up one morning and I looked to my right.

00:29:17:17 – 00:29:38:20
There was a man with a big beard looking directly into my eyes, and I locked him. No, I was it's, This is fucking horrible. This is horrible. Anyway, we went when we had a smoke. Good. I hope I hope that's okay. Yeah. We we had a smoke and then we, they sold mushrooms in this gaff as well as weed, obviously.

00:29:38:22 – 00:29:59:22
And we said to them, can we buy some of your finest mushrooms please. And they were like, not really. No. Have you done mushrooms before? I mean like, yeah, we've done them. And they're like, how many of you actually gone though. Like what? What's your what's your level? And we were like, well there's some noise. If some of this is like, hey, go, I'm going to give you these mushrooms.

00:29:59:24 – 00:30:19:15
And I think they were like, I don't think they were the week. It's maybe intermediate, but you wouldn't give us the strongest. And it's a polystyrene tray. Yeah. And he said, well I want you guys to do he came to our table. We were all sitting, I went to eat a quarter. Give it a half hour. If you don't feel anything, do another call up.

00:30:19:17 – 00:30:38:07
If you don't feel half our cell and so forth. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, yeah. Got it mate. Yeah. Every half hour. Yeah. Brilliant. And then then as soon as he left and we heard the door slam my mate when we eat everything now. Everything when you try, we leave nothing. We all do the same. And we just all have the same trips.

00:30:38:07 – 00:30:55:07
Us. All right. Fine. So I was just like I was with lots I hadn't done. It was. We've done it once. Like, we didn't really know what we were doing, so we just ate this tray of mushrooms. And for the first bit, I was giggling and laughing and had a bit of weed with it and are sipping a beer.

00:30:55:07 – 00:31:16:02
And in this environment. But it was the worst environment because it was a group of lads where we were young, where there's alpha males and betas and everyone's trying to be the, you know, top of the conversation and everyone's like cutting each other off at the slightest thing. I put his drink down a bit weird, fucking get him that kind of thing.

00:31:16:02 – 00:31:37:11
But we're all laughing through having a laugh. And then for me, it started to turn where I was. I was double taking stuff like I could see stuff out of my periphery, and I had to quickly keep looking around. And there was a speaker. I remember there was a speaker, and I kept thinking it was, like a man in top hat and tails serving us, and it kept freaking me out.

00:31:37:11 – 00:31:57:04
And then I'd look and focus on it. It was just to speak on this line. I, I'd heard that if you're riding out this mushy trip that you if you drink, coke because of the sugar or a mars bar that that it will help. I kept walking over to the bar. I'd get halfway to the bar, and I'd freak out and come back.

00:31:57:06 – 00:32:17:17
So then some of us were like, this is. And none of us wanted to say anything, but it was like, this is, this is, this is strong. And I'm holding on for dear life. And I was like, some of us went like, let's, let's go back to the room. So we went back to the room and a splash water on my face to kind of wake myself up, get myself back in the game.

00:32:17:17 – 00:32:41:08
I looked at my reflection in the mirror. Yeah, and my chin was just melting towards my shoulder. It was just so distorted and I was like, what have you done? What have you done? Rick? Would you, you know, had any experience like have you done nothing? No. But did you have any idea about how it might feel because you can't describe it's hard to describe how it feels.

00:32:41:10 – 00:32:59:13
No. And when you say, because I've only done it a few times, when you sit there and you get the, you know, the dope mean and it makes you feel good, I've only done it a couple of times. It did. It didn't make me feel I didn't have a rush of MDMA. It's not as heavy as MDMA. It does feel good though.

00:32:59:13 – 00:33:23:24
It feels your body feels nice and tingly and, that that does. It depends on the dosage as well. Like, give me an example. What? How much did you take after that? And so, that, that one. I don't know how much that was years ago, but yeah, that was years ago. And then the second time. Yeah, was when we went away to a cottage.

00:33:24:01 – 00:33:44:14
So was the second time you ever done. Second time I've ever done. I've always wanted to do it. I always wanted to go back, but I wanted it to be in a good environment. Good people, safe place. And I'd done some research on the internet. And is I how many mushrooms should I take in? Grams. And I found this site and I said, you put in your weight.

00:33:44:16 – 00:34:11:19
Yeah. Size and age. And it gives you what, and if you're a beginner, medium and or high level, that dosage of mushrooms I should take. And he said I should take four grams. What? No. Well, that's what he said. No, no, I would four grams of mushrooms would floor me. Yeah. But you're you're like, you buy the bad boy mushrooms.

00:34:11:23 – 00:34:32:14
These are, these are like truffle. Oh, truffles. No truffle. Sorry. I thought you were talking about, like, four grams of standard mushrooms. It'd be fucking you into another space. You'd be like, especially if you, you know, tolerance to it because you you build tolerance to them very quickly, and you have to give yourself some space to let that tolerance break down.

00:34:32:16 – 00:34:54:03
So if you took five grams of, of, truffles on one day, you'd have an experience. And then the next day, if you took five, you would have a lesser experience. And to the point where they would have no impact on you at all. Oh, shit. Really? Yeah. So. So like when you do three days in Amsterdam, the third day is like you will find something else was and didn't take the truffles because they don't really work anymore.

00:34:54:05 – 00:35:22:00
And, truffles and mushrooms. Totally different. Yeah. So they don't they, they're essentially the same thing as far as I understand it. But it's, they are the way you receive them is in this plastic box when in Amsterdam. And they're like walnuts. They taste like walnuts. Yes, yes, yes, yes yes. I and a magic mushrooms and liberty cap that you pull from the ground.

00:35:22:02 – 00:35:53:15
It's gross tasting. Yeah. It's like I if I can get them down without any. It's a miracle. It's the. Yeah they are disgusting. It it really is from my memory. Like eating a handful of mud. Yes. It's terrifying but but but with with it's almost like truffles are like designed for ease. They're like. It's like eating nuts. There's nothing horrible, in fact, that apart from the really sweet taste you get in a in your gum when you're eating them, they're actually not.

00:35:53:17 – 00:36:16:20
It's not unpleasant to eat. That is, that is a perfect description. Of what? When I was at the clinic to eating my my truffles. So, 44g of truffle. This isn't four grams of mushrooms. It was that right? Okay, I went I did those truffles, like, genuinely, had one of the most hysterical laughter. Best times I've ever had.

00:36:16:20 – 00:36:46:07
It was. It was such a completely different, wholesome experience. Yeah. That's that's the side that I'd be like. Yeah, I would, I'd recommend that someone. But, like, when you, you said at the top of the show about the environment. Yeah. Like what in your mind, what is the the best environment to do? It completely depends on what you want to achieve, really.

00:36:46:07 – 00:37:14:16
Like there's nothing wrong with. And by the way, you know, I just go caveat all this is don't start taking mushrooms. Not yeah, yeah, but it's these are experiences. And I can tell you I'll give you several examples after this of when I've had horrible experiences on psychedelics. And and these are the point is you don't really know what's going to happen most of the time if the environment around you've got good people around you like this.

00:37:14:17 – 00:37:35:11
In your instance, you have three friends who are doing it right, and it was a positive experience because everyone was away together. It was controlled. There was no one outside. Yeah. You was in a safe place, right? Yeah, that sounds good. Sounds perfect. Right. And you got to that point with mushrooms specifically where you got to the hysterics.

00:37:35:13 – 00:38:02:04
Yeah. So that's went a bit it for me. That would be like when you're peaking, that would be like the peaking when you're peaking on mushrooms is, is that you would get you get to the point where everything is fucking hilarious and you go, yeah, I, I've but that really doesn't work on your own. So if you have, you might find things funny that you wouldn't typically find things on it, but you need energy to bounce off.

00:38:02:06 – 00:38:16:22
And that's what it is with psychedelics. And like with a pill, you could take a pill and you'd have a great time on your own doing whatever you want to do. Yeah, right. Or you know, cocaine would, you know, send you would make sure it's just travel wank.

00:38:16:24 – 00:38:41:17
With mushrooms you need you need a dance partner. You need someone with you right fit to get that experience. But there's also a different experience if you're just walking through the woods and or through, you know, just going for a walk. Yeah. So it depends. It depends on what you're trying to achieve. I'll tell you what you shouldn't do.

00:38:41:19 – 00:39:05:07
Right. Okay. This is good. Do I did okay a couple of times. Actually. I even did it recently. So you think you've got. That's the thing with psychedelics. You think you've got it nailed. You think I get it? I understand, I know what this is, and then it teaches us. Like, so much so so so I took first fucking summer and I maybe that's a couple of beers.

00:39:05:07 – 00:39:26:14
I wasn't thinking right in my head. I thought it was about what? It must have been about 9:00 at night, and I had some LSD, and I was like in the counter that I watched pop a tap like an an actual tap, tap? Yeah. Like a blood paper blob paper. Wait, you get that from. So I would just go in it.

00:39:26:16 – 00:39:45:07
No. You that's how you take LSD. Still taste it? Yeah. Yeah, I know, but I don't I don't think I've ever, in my life like a dealer or like. No, it wasn't from a dealer. I can't remember where I got it from. Now. It's not. You don't like dealers in London? Like the Albanians in that they're not serving up magic mushrooms.

00:39:45:07 – 00:39:50:07
It's just, you know. Yeah. No, I've never seen that acid.

00:39:50:09 – 00:40:11:16
No, not in artwork. In inner London. They're not common. I don't think, out here in the country, they are. I can't remember where I got them from. Ricky. I don't give them away to the guy. Let's put the things up his ass. He was, He had a date with that. He. He planned the, like, a little getaway with his Mrs..

00:40:11:16 – 00:40:32:11
At the time. Not at the time. He's Mrs.. And the. And I was like, take two of these and I didn't actually do that. I didn't give them anything. They happened to have it on them and and they and and they had a great time in this, little secluded log cabin that they'd hired for the, for the weekend.

00:40:32:13 – 00:40:55:15
But in this anyway, like, I had some LSD and I was like, in my arrows, I'll stick Avengers on. I watched who I watched the Avengers films. That's got to be about five hours. And by that time I'll be naked. I'll go up the stairs to bed. Two films ended. I wasn't naked, I was fucking flying.

00:40:55:17 – 00:41:17:13
But I'm like, I'm on the sofa. And I'm like, fuck what I what do I do? It's 3:00 in the morning, so I'll put another film on. But your brain, when you're under the psychedelics isn't it doesn't work in the same way as it does now. Now I'm like, of course not. Go to bed, go to sleep. Then I'm like, I can't read.

00:41:17:13 – 00:41:34:06
You can't sleep. By the way, there is no sleep. Whenever I say it is impossible. Also, the trip duration is around 10 to 12 hours for a hotel, depending on the strength, right? Different and you don't. And the other thing is you don't actually know how strong each tab is. So it's always, always a bit of a risk.

00:41:34:08 – 00:42:01:07
So I had her and I took myself to bed. Feels like, well, I'm going to say, like what? I can't just sit on the sofa. And I spent the next six hours in the dark having the worst time you could possibly have. And and the great thing about psychedelics, or the useful thing about them, is that no matter how bad a trip you have, you learn a lot.

00:42:01:09 – 00:42:17:04
You learn a lot. The big the biggest lesson here for me was, don't fucking think you can do whatever you want to do can respect it. If you're going to take it, don't take it all. But if you are, fucking respect the hell out of it because it will absolutely fold you up if you if if you take the piss.

00:42:17:04 – 00:42:54:13
And that's what I did. When you were talking about, learning a lot because I this is why I've always kind of like, circled back to shrooms, because there is this scientific research of not curing, but good for depression, anxiety, addiction, a treatment, personal strife, self-discovery, enhanced creativity. Yeah. So, like.

00:42:54:15 – 00:43:20:16
I got I don't know, I don't really know what my question is. I think I think it's around what have you experienced out of that stuff, if any? Is it bullshit or is it like because there's a there's a huge, thing in society at the moment, no huge thing. But specifically what I've seen is, like microdosing for you work day and stuff like that.

00:43:20:16 – 00:43:41:17
And I know it's not the, the trip that that we've been talking about. Yeah, but it's that same tapping into that part of your brain that makes you more productive and creative and focused or something. So first off, all that stuff about, you know, and using it to help with depression and stuff like that, it's not depressed people just taking mushrooms.

00:43:41:19 – 00:44:05:23
That is, it's clinically administered and it enables people to, to, use psychedelics and more. I think probably more. I see as much as, using sort of MDMA as well to enable people to access and be comfortable and be able to process things through in a guided, secure setting. So I'm not sure how illegal it is in in England.

00:44:05:24 – 00:44:30:15
I don't know what the legality is about using psychedelics for therapy, but I think it's come in and you can get it elsewhere in the world. In terms of my I can only in terms of microdosing. I've never done it. And I can only tell you that the one person I know who continues to do it is is big believer that it's a very positive thing.

00:44:30:17 – 00:44:54:02
Now, microdosing, in my understanding, is that you don't feel anything at all. You're right. You're taking such small amounts that there is no recreational. It's not a recreational experience in terms of getting high, right? It's you put these small amounts in your body like any like any nootropic, anything like ag1, for example. You know, this podcast might well have an ag1 read on it.

00:44:54:04 – 00:45:15:08
Yeah, it's putting stuff that's good for your gut health, giving you the vitamins you need that it's the same principle with with this is that it has a positive impact in your body, but you're not getting high. So you can function, right? Okay. You can still drive and still do everything that he always did. Yeah. I mean I know don't ever take any drugs and drive, right, right.

00:45:15:08 – 00:45:35:17
But but in terms of how you feel as if you're completely sober. Right. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, but yeah, in terms of, in terms of my experiences with, with taking mushrooms, yeah, I do a lot of internalizing and sometimes you take them not because I want to have a good time, because I know that my brain will kick into gear.

00:45:35:19 – 00:45:53:22
And it tells you can't hide from how you feel. So your, your, you know, your, your, your experiences typically from day to day, if it's something you don't want to think about, the hurts you or if it's uncomfortable or a problem, you put it to the back of your mind and just procrastinate and do something else. Yeah, we're brilliant at that.

00:45:54:03 – 00:46:08:19
At humans. Yeah, yeah, I've got an issue I know solving, but I wouldn't do this instead so I don't have to think about it. That is me. It's everybody. It's me as well. Yeah, the stuff I've got list long as my arm starts to sort out. But I'm sitting there and I don't want to do that and will dog instead of whatever.

00:46:08:21 – 00:46:25:22
Not even something as healthy as that. I'll fucking go on TikTok. I'll take dog. He's not good. Yeah. What's what, Tik Tok. So good he didn't have to think about anything anyway. Exactly. You're on Tik Tok, but with mushrooms, you can't hide from any of that. And that's a really positive thing. You have to fight, you have to confront it.

00:46:25:24 – 00:46:51:16
And you don't choose what to confront either. Your the your brain, almost like your subconscious goes, this is what you're going to think about. It's crazy, right? Yeah. What? You're scared of death here. You go. Think about it. See, this is not at one point. I'm like, I do want to confront these things that are in my mind that helps me process these things.

00:46:51:18 – 00:47:12:08
It gets it out into the flow of like, okay, Rick, you know, you've been thinking about these. You've been baring these things. Now here is the fear of death. Now, here is the fear of, you know, those types of things. But then at the same time, I'm like, would I freak out? I'm, I might, I may die, I don't I've never I've never I've never experienced anyone.

00:47:12:13 – 00:47:36:00
It my I know it has happened. I've never freaked out by anything. It's almost like, all right, okay, so I can't I'm on this trip for 3 to 5 hours because mushrooms, that's the sort of the period you. It's very hard for you to control the direction of where your thoughts are going. So it's almost like the the mushrooms take over a little bit.

00:47:36:02 – 00:47:54:08
You're where you're not. It doesn't let you walk into traffic right? Yeah. I'm just saying in terms of, you know, you can guide the way your brain moves and think about things that you want to think about if you know, and those are positive things if you can manage to do that. Yeah. With mushrooms, it's more like this is what you're going to think about now.

00:47:54:10 – 00:48:18:16
And it's certainly if you're on your own and there's no one, there's no stimuli. It's all about stimuli as well. But by the way, colors that, you know, you got TV walking if you're doing these things, the, the, the psychedelic wall, the psychic that the, the experience will, will, will be manipulated by what's going on around you.

00:48:18:18 – 00:48:43:08
If you're sitting on your own and you're doing them, obviously you're going to internalize because you're not being stimulated from outside. So that's that's that's my. Yeah. Okay. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah I'm if you if you put music on if you put the Beatles on or you put like Radiohead or British people. Yeah. I just you, you focus on that and you know, music on mushrooms is incredible.

00:48:43:10 – 00:49:08:02
Incredible. The, like to, to try and answer one kind of, myth, like you said, about Avengers and TV and stuff that, spike your engagement. If I was watching TV and I was on mushrooms, would the characters come out of the TV? No, it's not. Not that kind of it. My. No, maybe I said no.

00:49:08:08 – 00:49:35:12
Not really much. No, but, you know, everything isn't real. You know, like like what the misconception was or that I had was that I would see something that isn't there. Yeah. And to me and only me, that would be real in my experience, is that's never happened. You, your your brain will see things in patterns that you wouldn't see if you weren't on, on, on mushrooms.

00:49:35:14 – 00:49:55:06
So, like you mentioned about that speaker, you thought it was a way that is. Yeah. But, you know, you have your compass mentis enough to know that that isn't actually a way. It's just fucking. Oh, that looks so much like a waiter now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So as long as you understand that you. In my experience, in my experience, only the, the mental stuff happens.

00:49:55:06 – 00:50:16:18
But, you know, it's not it's like a bending of reality rather than a force environment. That's that's it. So I it's not. No. Fuck. Actually that so the, the craziest, you know, what was that thing you wanted to talk about Rick. You met we mentioned it yesterday. I think this might be a good point to talk about that because.

00:50:16:20 – 00:50:51:22
So, my medicine, not in medicine, but in medicine. Why did you why did we talk about that? You said so. It was. I have a list here of the what? It's like just ten drugs that are linked with, psychedelics. So you got LSD? Mushrooms. MDMA is in there. Yeah. DMT, ketamine, two CB. Yeah. Mescaline. Salvia.

00:50:51:24 – 00:51:18:09
Oh, I don't know what these last two are. N b o m e compounds. Fuck knows what that is. And then five hyphen meoh. Hyphen dmt. Yeah. Is that ameo. Is that meow meow or is that. No, I don't know. But, but yeah. And then that's what we, then we were talking about that, thing that you took.

00:51:18:11 – 00:51:44:19
Yeah. No, you suspect it was there was someone in a setting, and he had, like, time, split time. Skip it. Fuck. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. That's right. It's so. Yeah. So Stuart Lee, he was on a podcast and he was saying that, what was it called? Time. Time is time skipping. So he was it's it's supported or something.

00:51:44:19 – 00:52:20:01
Yeah. So that there is this thing called, I think I think it's called time skipping. But Stuart Lee had been doing some gigs and he has he was walking around a, monastery and it was just kind of like on a way to another gig that he'd gone to do some sightseeing or something like that. And there are times that people have, there's been loads of this record of humans where they're at a place where time kind of stands still for, a second or two.

00:52:20:03 – 00:52:50:10
Yeah. And what they see is a moment in time from 100 years ago, 200 years ago, of the exact place where they were. So he's walking around these ruins that are ruins. There is nothing there. And while he was there, he had this not out of body experience, but an experience where time stood still and where he was looking at the, you know, the kind of the structure of this monastery.

00:52:50:12 – 00:53:15:14
He could see the walls. He saw like 25 monks. He saw the high ceilings, he saw the stained glass windows, he saw all this crazy shit which would have been there hundreds of years ago. And then after a second or two, that faded away and he was just back to where he was. And this has happened all over the world to so many different people.

00:53:15:14 – 00:53:42:22
And I've never, ever heard of it. And I was like, can you imagine? That's what what happens are you and you said when I had done this drug, mythological medicine. And then you told me the experience of him. Yeah, it was fucking crazy. So. So I need to be clear, right? Medicine isn't something that's relatively readily available, and I don't know how to get it.

00:53:42:22 – 00:54:12:19
And, it is a different experience. Although similar to mushrooms and LSD, but, so I got this. Someone I know said, do you fancy these? This is a it's a psychedelic called medicine. I'd never heard of it. And I was like, yeah, obviously I'll try that. And it was a little capsule on powder, similar house of mushrooms.

00:54:12:19 – 00:54:32:15
Come now. Often people get mushrooms. They're in little capsules. So you know the dosage, right? Yeah. Sort of grabbing a bunch of dried mushrooms and rolling into your mouth isn't necessarily the most scientific process in terms of ingesting and understanding the effect that they're going to have on you, but typically now they'll come in like a capsule, which is a gram.

00:54:32:17 – 00:55:10:04
Anyway, we I took one of these one capsule and it was insane. It was insane. And and I that was the one time there was a separation from reality. And whatever this was, this world was, I couldn't there's a number of things that happened. So it was the night of the Champions League final between Real Madrid and Liverpool, and Gareth Bale scored that over a kick.

00:55:10:10 – 00:55:43:03
Remember that? Yeah. Like I was watching that game, but it was played out in front of me in eight bit mega like Sega master system Megadrive graphics. Yeah. And I was like, fuck, this is mental. I needed some air because it was a lot, too much. So I went out into the garden and I looked up in the sky and it was like the world's biggest orgy was happening in the sky.

00:55:43:05 – 00:56:09:12
Like what? What? What do you mean what? You know, like, can you can you imagine like, those old sort of. On the ceiling of the dark things called a dome in Florence. Yeah. That was one of the most beautiful paintings in the of heaven and hell, right? It was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the dome is on the inside.

00:56:09:14 – 00:56:26:23
It was like looking up at that in the sky. It was just undulating bodies, just fucking basically. Anyway, I stopped looking at that for a bit and then that's insane on it. So. Yeah, that's mad. And then I went round the corner where I live. I live in a cottage and there is fields around me, right? Yeah.

00:56:27:00 – 00:56:52:10
But in front of me there's a big field that goes out for about a good. And I can see about a mile. It was the sun was coming down and I was suddenly transported into a western, and I was a gunslinger and I was female. Oh my God. And I had guns and this leather jacket that was. And a hat, cowboy hat.

00:56:52:12 – 00:57:12:05
And my hair was just blown in the wind. And I felt like I was the ballocks. I was like, this is I am the fucking ballocks. So I stood and looked at that a bit, and then I was like, she's doing it. My misses. And I was like, that's a lot. That was a lot. And she hugged Constitution.

00:57:12:05 – 00:57:34:05
This is really important point actually. Right is everybody's different and everybody reacts differently to all of these these these these psychedelics. So if you're thinking about, if you're thinking about trying these in the future, what I'm talking about, you could have a completely different reaction set. Right. So this isn't going. Oh, so I heard that. Therefore this is what's gonna happen to me.

00:57:34:05 – 00:57:58:05
Doesn't work like that. Different for everybody. Yeah. So a case in point is that my missus has like a really high tolerance, not high tolerance, just someone's habit. The way a metabolism works. And it just takes us forever to come up, but also, she needs more than I do. I was fucked off one, and she didn't feel a thing of one.

00:57:58:07 – 00:58:17:21
That's madness. But she could see how fucked I was. Yeah, she's like, well, and bear in mind, this is like I'd say about eight years ago now. She went, I'll, I'll take another one. Right. So what if you feel nothing at all? And it's been three hours. Yeah, fine. This probably might be in the data. Something. Yeah.

00:58:17:23 – 00:58:41:10
So from the period of saying she's going to take another one, I had that experience outside. I was like tripping balls. And I'm like, this is me off one. She's about to take two. I've got to stop her. So because I just for it eventually kick in and I'm having this mental experience on one. So I went up, run into the kitchen, went early and I put my hands down.

00:58:41:10 – 00:59:04:07
I don't take a second one, just I take a sale. I think I'm and, she's already taking it. And it just didn't happen for her. In a way. It happened for me. That is, She took the second one. She didn't feel anything. I think she got another one. Layer, if I remember rightly. Fries. I'm, though, not mad.

00:59:04:07 – 00:59:21:19
Maybe. Maybe, maybe maybe she didn't. Maybe she didn't. But she's mad. But that's what I'm saying. That's the most important thing, is there is no guide. There's no right way to do it. It's it's it'll never get you. It won't. It's like a kind of like an educated guess that can still go tits up. Yeah. So I think what we'll do for.

00:59:21:24 – 00:59:52:22
We'll leave that there. But listening back to this, obviously we're not advocating taking it, but there are going to be people that are interested in it that have dabbled once or twice or looking to dabble, and it's just doing the most amount of education before if you are going to do it. Yeah. And if you decide on an environment, a safe environment with safe people, ideally with people that aren't taking it as well with someone with you, you have someone that trips is or sit with you on this one.

00:59:52:22 – 01:00:19:01
I but but my advice don't for what it's worth, is just don't don't get involved. Yeah, but that isn't the way people are set up. And the reason why drugs are so popular is because human beings strive to alter their perception and their environment for whatever reason. Yeah. I mean, having this conversation now, I do want to go and try some mushrooms and well, this is that's that's not okay.

01:00:19:03 – 01:00:49:06
This is not what I was supposed to be doing. Maybe the, it's the correct conversation about drugs, isn't about abstinence. It's not about not doing them because people will do them. Yeah. Why? You need to be open. You have to be open and happy to talk about drugs. Don't encourage it. Don't tell. But but give people have enough information so they can understand what they expect.

01:00:49:08 – 01:01:05:02
Like what? What the the worst thing. The worst advice, in my opinion, that you can give to a young person is just say no. Just say no because it gets to a point where they not learn, not they're not going to say no. It gets to the point where, like you had Ricky, it took you to your early 20s, right?

01:01:05:02 – 01:01:27:14
Whatever it might have been. Yeah. Where it bit was enough until it wasn't enough. Yeah. And then your bum voice doesn't come into your head. Go and just say no, Ricky. Right. You go. I want to feel like they're they're fed. And and that is completely natural thing to think about. So if that does happen to your daughter or your or your or your son, you seem to get into an age like my kids are.

01:01:27:16 – 01:01:46:07
They get into an age where they're going to start to be exposed by a to drugs. Right? There is there is zero chance that at some stage in their adolescence and up to becoming a young adult or an adult, that someone at some house party won't offer them a pill or. Yeah, or drugs to some extent. But because often kids that I just want to show off, look what I've got.

01:01:46:08 – 01:02:07:23
Right. That will happen. Do you want them to have as much information as possible before that happens, so they can make an educated choice as much as possible? Yes, yes. Right. So if someone's if they know nothing about ecstasy and someone goes to to join a pill and they see that that's. I'm not talking about your kids, by the way.

01:02:07:24 – 01:02:28:06
I know you're visualizing your kids. Yeah, but yeah, but, you know, you really you should because this shit happens. It's going to happen. The. They look at that knowing nothing about ecstasy and look at that tiny pill and they go, well, come on, a little pill. Do that, dad. It's got Donald Duck on it. Yeah, that sounds fine.

01:02:28:08 – 01:02:55:10
How bad can they be? I mean, yeah, like like some of the fucking emblems on these pills on the. Yeah, the mad Bart Simpson group. The Disney cast on it. It's it's how black magic it. Yeah. They they, it's less of an issue now, right? You don't read as far as I know. I'm fucking touch pills and years, but, but what I'm saying is, is really they're looking at this pill, and they got how, how much, how much harm cannot do.

01:02:55:11 – 01:03:18:19
And the answer is a fucking lot. Yeah. If you tell them, if this gets to you and you've decided this is something you're going to do, this is what you need. This is the correct procedure. Take a small amount and see how you feel. Don't take the whole amount because you can't remove. You can only add. So once it's in your body, unless there's a healthy conversations I've had.

01:03:18:21 – 01:03:36:03
Just saying this is never going to happen to my kids, and my daughter is actually putting them in more danger because it is going to happen. Yeah. So give them everything they need, the tools they need to make the right decision. Yeah, yeah. Once you drink an entire bottle of vodka in one go. No you wouldn't. No no no no no.

01:03:36:03 – 01:03:54:01
Everyone understands that. What's going to happen. You're going to piss and shit yourself and you have to go to hospital and Reiki energy. That's right. Yeah. Because what happened, happened. I did exactly that. You did that right? Yeah. So, but but you look at a vodka, you see lots of content, a lot of volume. With a pill, you see nothing.

01:03:54:01 – 01:04:24:03
You think, how do I make two pills at the strength they are now? They'll be in hospital. Yeah, yeah, but now it's good. That is. That's excellent advice. Excellent advice. We've got a really, interesting dilemma. And it's very relevant to this pot. Okay. What I will do now. So, so the topic for next week we're going to be focusing on the crazy world of TikTok.

01:04:24:06 – 01:04:57:07
Yeah. The characters the stars of today are yesterday's chip paper or the nobodies of now are superstars of tomorrow. It's the tick tock. As an app of how people, catapulted, into the stratosphere of how many followers they get for what they do and what they do. This could be mental. Yeah, it's crazy world there. And there are so many characters on there.

01:04:57:09 – 01:05:29:12
It's just an even just not the tick tock characters, even just certain people that, I don't know, they do a specific hobby and loads of people watch them and they get an audience. So we're going to be diving deep into the world of Tick Tock. Now, before we do this pod, send us a link to any of the tick tock creators or characters or accounts you follow, and we will bring them up and we will discuss them.

01:05:29:14 – 01:05:56:00
And if there's any stories that you've met, any of these tick tock characters when you're out and about in a pub or a club or over in Dubai or whatever it might be, any stories that you've got, send it in to lads anon pod at gmail.com and we will, we will go through them. So this is the dilemma for today and it's called the last trip.

01:05:56:02 – 01:06:28:00
Oh, just, just tired and you got an issue for a tissue. You're a bit sad. And we'll teach you a can in your soul, alone in your flat. Please talk to Vicky Flanagan. Let that stress off your chest. Well, friend, you deserve this. Relax. You're safe here to God. Nice. Sure. Between breaking them. My best friend for decades.

01:06:28:02 – 01:06:56:09
Let's call him Guy. We met in freshman year of high school and fast became friends over the time, we would dabble together in various drugs, weed, alcohol, and also psychedelics like LSD. Some of my friends cherished. Some of my most cherished memories are doing acid together with Jay and our friend friendship group while camping and exploring around in nature.

01:06:56:11 – 01:07:22:10
Just wonderful. Cosmic, majestic, beautiful days in nature, basking in the glory that is acid. The years went on and we grew older. I moved to a different country for work. I still come home for holidays and cry, and my family, our friends, at least once a year, maybe twice if I'm lucky. But my dilemma is with Jay's girlfriend now.

01:07:22:10 – 01:07:50:19
Fiancee? We'll call her Betty. Jay recently proposed to Betty, and now they're getting married. Yeah, they've been together for almost five years. I have nothing against her. She's actually a really sweet girl. Kind, intelligent. And I'm happy for them. In my opinion. Jay is super lucky to have met Betty and she's actually out of his league. But Jay.

01:07:50:21 – 01:08:20:00
But Jay's Yonsei has some baggage. I don't know the exact details, but maybe ten years ago, Betty's brother had a terrible experience with acid. The brother's girlfriend convinced him to trip with her. He ended up stabbing her like ten times with a knife, and then tried to commit suicide. Fortunately, they were both saved by the paramedics, but there was major trauma from this incident.

01:08:20:00 – 01:08:45:22
As you can imagine, the brother and the girlfriend are still together. Incredibly, he pleaded insanity and there was no prison time and they got over their incident and moved on. I met him actually, at least a really kind guy. My dilemma is this that Betty is 100% against drugs and psychedelics. Say Jay won't trip with me ever again.

01:08:45:24 – 01:09:13:03
I want to do acid with my friend and trip booze in the forest like we used to. But he's told me he couldn't and wouldn't, lest he piss off Betty. So what should I do? Should I give up on tripping with my best friend? Should I try harder to convince his fiancee to let him trip with me? Should I get my best friend to trip with me and keep it a secret between us?

01:09:13:05 – 01:09:42:15
What should I do? I think you should just let it be. That was a time of the past and scenarios have changed, and it wouldn't be fair of you to make him secretly trip with you. Know, behind his girlfriend's back. Look, there's also. This is like, if you go camping together. Yeah. And you're in the wild and, you know you're going to be away for 2 or 3 days.

01:09:42:17 – 01:10:00:06
I don't think there's much harm in taking some LSD if you wanted to, if you wanted to. But you you shouldn't. And he needs his friend needs to be completely honest with his partner about what he's planning to do, and he's keeping it away from her, which is. But you cannot go behind her back and do it.

01:10:00:06 – 01:10:24:04
That's bad. That's bad. You've been a bad friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't take. Let's keep it between us at all. The second option you gave. Should I try harder to convince his fiance? Don't do that. Don't do that money for you. You potentially risk losing him as a friend. That. Yeah. I mean, because no matter what you think, the biggest influence in his life.

01:10:24:04 – 01:10:46:14
Especially if she said she's she's lovely. Right? She's right for him. He's out. She's out of his league. He's done well. Right. So she's the influence now. He's going to be listening to her because you're not around and you're not as much of your friends. You're not as important as she she is. That's the way it works. All right, my wife, I met my wife ten years ago, and she's the most important person in my life.

01:10:46:20 – 01:11:11:23
Without my country. Male. Yeah. Even though Ricky exists. Yeah. Does that hurt a little bit? No, no, no, I would I would say it's the exact same in my position as well. So in this, in this instances, that's, that's, that's the most important thing I get where you're coming from there may I. Yeah. Rick. Take me back. Take me back.

01:11:12:00 – 01:11:37:04
Yeah. Brian's flat. Yeah. For I am randoms Ricky everywhere. Just the best time to just once I would I would want that one more time. But it isn't my life now I call that the amount of times where it would be late at night. Everyone's on it and I'd be walking around the flat. Smoke. You know what I like?

01:11:37:05 – 01:11:55:23
There is there'd be at least 6 or 7 people that I have no idea who they are. No, I, I remember them now. I don't know their names. I just remember them being there, was I what is going on? I'd like to call my girlfriend at the time. Going at 4 a.m.. Are you coming home? And I brought, the not.

01:11:55:23 – 01:12:14:00
It's just not done yet. Really? Why not? Just having a good time? Just having a good time. So literally, I would choose that over, over over her and. Yeah, you know, I don't regret a single minute.

01:12:14:02 – 01:12:31:18
So to sum up that, just, I would say let the past be in the past. Yeah. And like Flav says, if you've got a day, you know, a few days away, then float it, but don't put pressure on it. It's all good to be encouraging to be upfront as well. Don't. If you are going to do it and you're going away you like.

01:12:31:18 – 01:12:53:07
So got mates of mine and they're they're getting on and there'll be someone listening to this I'm talking about them. He, they make an effort to go camping and, and it's just sort of understood that when they go camping, they might do a bit of mushroom tea. So it's that something they've decided to do to. They have a little thing that they do is boys, nice.

01:12:53:09 – 01:13:10:15
I mean, yeah, my best man. But the thing is, is it's it's like you're not in that circle, right? And you can't force his way in and listen, mate, in that environment, you take some mushrooms, you just your brain will go, what are you doing here? You don't know these guys. Yeah. You didn't invite. You didn't. They didn't invite you.

01:13:10:17 – 01:13:30:03
You think you've invited yourself? You invited yourself. And obviously fucking invited my boys. I fucking invited myself. Sorry, sorry. I shouldn't be here. Shouldn't be. That's that. That would be a definite conversation in my brain. Yeah. There was one time before we finished it. Oh, no. We got. We got something else. Me, something any and I. It's a quick one.

01:13:30:03 – 01:13:58:17
All right. But we, I went to Amsterdam in May, with a couple of mates and their girlfriends or wives, and we done. We done a lot of, like, truffles and stuff. And at the end, like, I don't shop sometimes I do podcasts. And you. I'm so sick of my own voice. Rick. Right. Some time and and, but at the end of the night, I was,

01:13:58:19 – 01:14:20:17
Boys, I'm so sorry. I'm like, all I do is I never shut up. All I'm doing is in your ear all the time. Just fucking incessantly talk it all the time. Never shut down. Making everything about me. So I'm like, I don't actually believe that. But in that moment, I was like, no, like, my bad man. That's you in it.

01:14:20:23 – 01:14:36:01
That's. Yeah. And then the conversation then went on to how weird toes are. I'm a mental that toes are weird. Go ahead and.

01:14:36:03 – 01:15:05:02
Wow. Dumb thing. You, you know. This one is called. Get back in there. Imagine German football coach Joakim love you. The one who is famous for shoving his hands down his pants and sniffing the hand. Afterwards. That's pretty much me. Long story short, I flew a fast jet for an undisclosed air force. In a country in the world.

01:15:05:04 – 01:15:29:10
No one told me this at first when I applied, but the G-Force involved in having one of the coolest jobs on the planet can give you hemorrhoids. So here I am, 20 years later, doing the Joakim Le at least once per day. The hemorrhoid in question does like to pop out on the wrong side of the poop. Massive sometimes.

01:15:29:12 – 01:15:58:03
And and it has to be put back in by the way of my finger. It's just a little push pop up. It goes down. I have to found that. Find out how urgent and thorough the washing of the finger has to be. So I sniff it. The finger that is most times is completely odorless and requires a quick scrub with soap.

01:15:58:05 – 01:16:25:18
But sometimes it's a mess. No one talks about hemorrhoids, so of course my problem is something only I know. That is good, but, I just I don't want tempt fate. I just feel like hemorrhoids is something I'm never going to get at, you know? Yeah. That and, like, because my perception is that it's for people that push really hard with, like, constipation or whatever.

01:16:25:20 – 01:16:45:22
Like, honestly, within a second, my entire it feels like my intestines have just all dropped down the toilet bowl as soon as I haven't even sat on the toilet and it's already coming out. I chill out, wait it out. It's. Yeah. It's Yeah. So I don't think I will get that. I have, I don't really want it now.

01:16:45:24 – 01:17:13:08
Know, I don't want to get that right. Like if you if you could get that or like, let me think of something that isn't really. Would you rather have hemorrhoids or diabetes? Hemorrhoids from from this last. Well, from one of the points we did, and you asked about having Aids or diabetes and, I said diabetes. And then the doctor who listens to.

01:17:13:08 – 01:17:32:13
That's anonymous. You said by far I like the amount of. Yeah. And, everything that you can get for Aids in comparison to diabetes, it pick aids all the time has made it mad. And it is mad today because if you said that to anyone Aids, otherwise they kind of ease the pain. But you definitely should pick Aids in.

01:17:32:14 – 01:17:54:19
Yeah. That world we've just great. I know it's the education of like what we used to think back then is still kind of prevalent right now. The shame of it. It seemed to. Yeah, yeah. Disease. Even though it's very, it's, you know, it's not that, okay. What we say and hemorrhoids or losing a finger.

01:17:54:21 – 01:18:06:01
I quite like them. I think it's okay. Hemorrhoids. Okay. That's interesting. Hemorrhoids. Hemorrhoids or.

01:18:06:03 – 01:18:24:00
You got hemorrhoids? Yeah. For the rest of your life. Or you break your leg and have a compound fracture so the bone is sticking out of your leg. But you will be right in in the end. Oh, fucking. Oh, that's a hard one. Yeah. Feels like you like that. Imagine the pain of breaking your leg in such a fashion.

01:18:24:02 – 01:18:48:23
Yeah. You know that. They will repair it and you'll be back to normal. But if you don't go for the leg break beaches of hemorrhoids for the rest of your life. And it what? In what manner is the leg break as well? Let's say I fell off my BMX, went to do a jump. Now I'm like a double footed challenge in a fucking.

01:18:49:00 – 01:19:08:13
Your legs point in the wrong direction. Basically bone poking out and you're miles from the hospital, so I don't think I can go through with the leg thing, even though it's a short term pain, long term gain. I think I'm going to have to go with the hammer. There we go. There we have it. That's the end of hemorrhoids versus we can play again next week.

01:19:08:13 – 01:19:31:04
Do you wanna play again next week? If anyone else has got any weird, health things like popping in a hemorrhoid or if they've got anything they need to pop back in, or that slightly whiffs and they don't know what it is. Let's all weird ailments. Yeah. Like a little muscle or bone that's there. And you don't know what what it's doing there or send it in to lads.

01:19:31:05 – 01:19:51:24
Unknown pot at gmail.com and we will read them out next week. And mummy says half a rib missing lock for example. It's never good. It just, it just didn't grow. How did she know? Does she, like, just feel around? You can feel it. You can feel it. So there's a bit missing and it's like a nubbin. That's fucking weird.

01:19:52:03 – 01:20:27:17
Why? Yeah, well, I reckon she can get a disabled badge for that, but she won't. But it's not even looking into it like we park anywhere and she won't. Just won't look into it. Yeah, she should definitely look into it. Next week the topic is going to be the, the crazy, crazy world of TikToks. Oh, wait, if you if you got any characters or anyone that you want to send us into, that's anon pod at gmail.com and we will see you next Monday.

01:20:27:19 – 01:20:52:09
The night hazy like Band of Brothers playing tunes high is quite midnight. Waves surfing through till daylight breaks. Rhythm hit us different ways. Love of music that we prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band that we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Promise.