#46 | Language | has labelling gone too far?

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Yeah. An oddball that was jailed after he tried to get his son, aged just 13, to have sex with a prostitute and snort a line of cocaine. I'm a good father, he told the court. A man jailed for years claims he is still a good dad, despite offering his son cocaine and trying to get him to have sex with a 26 year old prostitute.

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Don't be a pussy, the man told his son after they organized a party for two sex workers to visit a hotel in Bromley, Greater London. The young lad, who cannot be named, bravely told his dad I'm fucking 13. This is ridiculous. When he was offered a line of cocaine at the sentencing hearing, the man from Croydon Crown Court, he is.

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The man, told Croydon Crown Court He is a great father, despite appearing to have some weird and very skewed views on what is good parenting. I'm a good father, he insisted after he pleaded guilty to arranging for a child to engage in sexual activity, as well as supplying him of cocaine. He told the court I might not look like it in your eyes.

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It was only because he was feeling down, because he'd broken up with his girlfriend and he said, he's done all that stuff before, he added. So the bra sucked, his penis job done. Whatever.

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That's the key to repentance. The boy's mum had reluctantly agreed for him to spend the night with his dad, but when the boy arrived, I, his dad offered him a line of cocaine and said, I've bought a brass.

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Fuck. You know, man. 30. Yeah. It's not funny, really. The, shout out to the bloke who sent this to me just to say his name, because he did it. Supply me a story. Okay. That's good. But you knew that, my daughter is 13. I, I don't know if she actually knows what the word cocaine is or what it looks like or anything.

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She probably aware that it's a drug. Yeah, but she wouldn't be aware of anything else. And she's quite pretty, so I don't know what you know about bros. She wouldn't respond well to a prostitute. You think? No, I don't think she would. I know, I don't know if you would or should, really. I mean, it's I just remember being if I think about my 13 year old self, like I was still in that transition period of fucking.

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Yeah, Transformers going into football like that. I didn't really think about women in that way. I had just started masturbating. Probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 12 hours. Well, you know the age that you started masturbating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 12. Can you remember the moment? Yeah, I can, What I said something like, oh, I can do this now. I'm gonna do this forever.

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I. I don't think it actually, this isn't the first time that I, twisted one off, but when I was 12 was the first time I jacked 12. That's not bad. Yeah, yeah. And I remember it was you. A hairy boy? No, I remember I at the time, the in the pube region, it would have been like, a 60s came over, so.

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Yeah. So the fact is this, tiny boy penis with, pubes, just, you know, I. Well. Oh, you put your thumb up. That would be the end of you. Don't just stop talking. Ricky, finish your sentence, and I'm going to play the jingle. Not just immediately in the middle of the sentence. Stop talking. Why would that ever be the right thing to do?

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Because normally you say you put your thumb on this to say, I'm playing the tune now. I was just trying to communicate with you. That was it. This is all staying in. I'm not hiding in this. Out now, right? On the night, I see, like, Band of Brothers playing tunes high as quiet midnight waves. Surfing through till daylight breaks.

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Rhythm hit us different ways. Love of music I we prayed with our tongues in cheek banners. And we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Promise. Hello and welcome to lads Anonymous is episode 46, a podcast where two best mates of over 20 years invite you to join their safe space, where all manner of subjects will be discussed.

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We'll focus on a specific subject matter first and then answer your questions, dilemmas or need for advice or handled anonymously. So sit back, relax and enjoy the pot. I think we might need some, new hand signals. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we do, we do. We never use them, but that's fine. That's fine. I'm not the wanker. I haven't seen you.

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I you just be there now, all the time. I swear that, mate. Fuck you. What's going on? So the the last episode. Yeah, that we did, on competition, and then we did a midweek pod, which you joined, which was great. We had a little word. It's out. Went out Thursday morning, probably Thursday morning. June. Have. How's how's it going?

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Well, it's a midweek blast off. What you call it. Yeah. Looking at the next segment. Next segment where we've got on to it okay. So now it's going good. It's going good. Getting a lot of, people emailing and enjoying it, which is the, you know, the main point of it, just to take you away for half an hour from your life just to enjoy something.

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So the last midweek pod, we actually did a little revisit for the first segment, and that was a revisit to episode 28, where we're talking about social clout chasers. But this email was about paedo hunters revisited, so we had a little bit of a chat about that. Then we had a bit of a chat on OnlyFans revisited. And then we had some competitive stories about volleyball, a voice note on disqualification for swimming Gareth Bale.

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The witch call it. We need the sports day, the egg, the egg, egg. Run the cycle. Well, I'm having a fucking mind blowing round. I can spoon race. Fuck, fuck. I can say no. And then a gentleman being ultra competitive with his kids gaming. We had, suggestion him for that pod as well. Why don't people send in their answers for the dilemmas we read out from the previous pod?

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So sometimes fucking the dilemmas that we read out are they are. It's hard. Sometimes I'll put them in and then after we have a conversation about I'm not fuck, you know, like we're just two, two men that I don't really know a lot to be given up there, but we're doing our best. We're giving advice. So if any of you have listened to the dilemma from the previous pod and you think you know what I've been in that situation, I can I can give some advice here.

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Then we'll read those out too. And remember, for these midweek pods, it's only possible if you submit your stories to that relevant topic. And again, like this person had gone to, the social clout chaser revisited, because I'm finding a lot of people that email in there just fine in the pod, and then they're smashing through it and they want to ask questions about previous pods, but there's nowhere to really fit that in into this main board.

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So let's stick it in the midweek pod. So if you have anything that, you want to send us so the midweek pod this week would be about language, what we're about to speak about. So if there are any words that you used to use when you were a younger, any local dialects. So I, you probably know this, but knock down ginger, depending on where you are in the country.

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Totally different, slightly different name. Knock a door, run. No cherry knocking. Not not dungeon. Just thunder and lightning. What? Yeah, I know they all remember when I was a kid. So? So I would only play knock Down Ginger in school holidays during some time. During some time it went on. It was a school. All of their activity and

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Oh, well.

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I know, but it was only something to do on school holidays. I don't play, I just felt like I needed to be sensible. During term time. We would go up to Birmingham. I spent a lot of time on holiday in Birmingham, and my granddad lived. And, we go up on the train and my mum and my cousins there as well.

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Right. And it was great because they had we all have beer mixes. So we just go out and the beer mixes, the, the great days. But obviously after a day or two, right around a beer mix starts to wear thin. There's only so many streets you can drive down, right? Bunny hops. You can do. And so you got some mischief.

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And there was one geezer who hated being the the target of a knock down ginger. And he had a chain, like, and you, he also had a BMX, so we would dare each other to go up to his door and bang on it as hard as we could and run away and then wait for him to come out with, with his chain or his bat on his bike.

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And it was almost like road rash. You remember that game road, right? Yeah. Yeah, it was like that. But you in Birmingham? Yeah it is. We we always eat lot when we go to a point where we, we just got so brazen we've knocked down Ginger that we were literally knocking the doors stifled, aren't we? GP started again.

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You're wanker. I just imagine that if I do this, some young kids, you can't do anything to. I'm. They're calling you a wanker for answering your own doorbell. Okay, okay. Let's, So if you've got any, submissions of, words or anything like knock, knock down Ginger where you used to send it in to lads anon pod at gmail.com.

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Now we spoke about the, the name for the second podcast, the midweek Podcast, that we would do that will do some interesting results mate. I didn't think this name would win and it's one. Well it's not it's not called Ricky's Blast Off, but he will also number four. Yeah. And it's got a very low score. Yeah. Release the poison.

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Yeah. That's Thursday. Sorry. Next third was the Thursday turn out. Yeah. Has put pig's second was Ricky's midweek blast off. So it didn't. Which means the winner by a landslide. Yeah. Was quickie with Ricky. Okay. Well, I said, well, I've yet to. The people have spoken with spike, and they are the demographics of it as well.

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So Twitter was quickie with Ricky. So, you know, the, the more sexual focused listeners there. Yeah. I ig was the midweek blast off. So the wet dream is in the creamers over there. And then blue Sky turned out heavily for the Thursday. Turn out the mucky bastards hooked I know it was zardoz. It's so bizarre. Read it. Yeah, you're loving a bit of blue sky at the moment.

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You ready? Yeah, I am, I am. It's I just feel free over there. I just feel that I can, post a bit more without, being abused. Yeah. Being abused. But again, is, well, like in the. You know, the football sphere that we're in, I just, I just feel like I can be a bit more open and honest about football knowledge or terms.

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I'm not the fucking no xG guy or anything like that. And I'd like to ask questions about it, but I feel a bit too self-conscious on Twitter. Blue Sky is a bit more, I don't know, it's just a bit more welcoming. There's less cunts on the yeah at the moment, but they'll come, oh, they'll come, they'll come. If you build it, they'll come.

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Yeah. And then, then we'll just have to live in it. Yeah. Let's see. Plays. Before we move into the podcast, if you could, not doing this if I renewal a download and you fucking done that, we love you for it and following us on social. But this podcast will only grow through word of mouth.

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Now this topic was emailed in from a lad because he is unable to understand what his teenage children are saying to him anymore, and I like philosophy as well. Like when we used to knock about to give up the we used to read a lot. I mean, like I, I kind of, I always had an interest in reading, but from where I'm from, no one really read as, when I was growing up, no one read or found it a kind of an extra curricular activity to do fun, to do fun today or anything like that.

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And then when I obviously when I met you, you had a bookshelf that was just fucking chockablock with books. And then you were like, have you read this? And every time I'd come and see you, you'd give me a new book and I'd just get proper ten toes in all these books. And I absolutely loved it. Fucking loved it.

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So you obviously have a love of language, and then you studied, journalism, didn't you? Yeah. So the joy. Yeah. Go on. Well, journalism is more about understanding formats and platforms as much as it was about language. By the time you arrived at university, you would expect to be able to write so and communicate coherently and concisely. But, but but what the journalism degree was, is about how, what what formats exist and how do you operate in those areas.

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So whether it be but then uni would have been paper journalism, tabloids, broadsheets and then online was booming. So it was about how to operate in that field. So it was really about how to exist in the world of journalism and has survived it rather than communication. But the best, the best lesson I was ever taught was George Orwell.

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And yes, reading his work because everything is so easy to understand. And you have it's not flowery. It's functional language and storytelling. His ability to tell a story was what drew you to it, rather than using flowery language like D.H. Lawrence, for example, which is, long winded, flowery and of less value in my opinion. Depends what you're reading it for and what you get out of literature.

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But yeah, I loved the way Orwell wrote, and it kind of I tried to mimic that style whenever I found myself. Right? Yeah. Again, it's, Orwell was like 1984 was the first time that I read something that really opened my mind to the possibilities of, you know, media manipulation and how words can change and language. And then again, the same with Animal Farm as well.

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And, I mean, we've spoken about it on the pod, and that was the first time that really kind of got me interested in any language, really. And just having an understanding of it and what words could be used and, and how if you like, especially working in social media, if you have to write, I don't know, 140 characters for a tweet.

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You know, each word has to count and it has to do something. It has to make someone feel something. And we're living in an age where it's so what's the word?

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You it has to. It has to have that much of an impact, whether it's like left or right and not politically speaking. But it has to evoke some kind of anger or joy to really capture someone. And that's why, you know, part of why I do love social, because it forces me to to write in an articulate way so that I can convey what I, what I want to, but also hit those kind of, hooks that, that, that I want to.

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So again, like we've, we've Orwell and we've read in it was a, it was a place where I kind of and then obviously knocking about the, you know, the books, the classic literature that we read. That was my real kind of grounding with, with language and, and literature. Now this is a bit more kind of relevant. Have you seen the Jaguar rebranding?

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Yeah. Okay. So there is a there's been some kind of, people haven't seen it. What would you I would say a bit, I, what I would describe it as it's been did what you would normally think of. Oh this is what I normally think of Jaguar luxury car. Yeah. With the, with the, with the, the Jaguar cat.

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The cat. Yeah. Expensive cars. Sleek. Yeah. It's it's all of that stuff. Only if you've got a lot of money that you could afford it. And back then as well, it was, businessman, rich businessman that would, that would have those types of cars and the rebrand has stripped out the actual iconic Jaguar from it. And it's mainly what is just text, different color.

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And it's a real different kind of feel to the brand, where it's more playful with colors and the advert that they put out, it was appealing to, I don't know what the latest gen is, Gen's Gen Z or whatever it is, but it was more appealing to, a hell of a lot younger audience than it was.

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And it's opened up this kind of discussion that the, the, you know, is our Britishness being eroded with the simplification of, of language and how things are spoken about at the moment. So the British culture and values and the way that we used to speak in the 1960s, this isn't the best example, I know, but everything was groovy and now it's lit and now it's just changed the vibes.

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Well, I think.

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So, so, so they've gone in and in terms of Jaguar, they've gone in a completely opposite direction of what people understood that brand to be. Yeah. They've essentially, in that advert ticked every possible box that they could tick. So there's androgyny in there. Blacks, whites, there's the, the, it's, it's very kind of you sort of left leaning, open minded trans.

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Yeah. Yeah. Trans conscious, all those things. Right. Yeah. Which is when you think of a Jaguar, you think of a bloke on a stage in a, in Wiltshire or Gloucestershire and. Yeah, with a shotgun and, you know, a pheasant hanging over his shoulder, you know, not this. So what. So, so the reaction to it was always going to be one that was aggressive from people that like the conventional I don't know what state Jaguar course was in, but they clearly wanted to move in another direction and appeal to an audience that might be different to the one that they have previously appealed to.

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And there's no cars in the video, so it's almost kind of like, what? Well, what is what is this? Or is you selling cars or you just trying to capture a market? And the thing is, is that whether it's the right way to go or not or the, you know, they should be or they want to appear more open minded or not, I still don't see a young person, you know, and try and buy in a Jaguar, which is what this is what you've got.

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So why bother? Yeah, but then all of this commotion is good for the brand. It's good for Jaguar. It's good because people are talking about it again. It kind of felt like it was fading out like an old hat. A Jag. Well, I think I mean like, don't, don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure I saw something that since 2017, their sales had dropped by 80% or something.

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Had they really? It was fucking. It was pivot or die then, right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. If you if you want, if you want to support Jaguar, you should have bought their cars. If you wanted the Jaguar to remain the same, you should have bought their cars. Yeah. I didn't buy the cars. You bought Land Rovers instead. Owned by the same company I think as well.

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Jaguar and I think. Yeah. Yeah, yeah they are it, this happened as well like with the, the mini brand and I think this rover or something, there was another brand anyway. But, you know, British cars and this is a British institution and it just kind of no one was interested. So that they had to, to move.

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But yeah, I just thought was pretty interesting. And like with how how people are now kind of saying about that stuff. And I was always like as a kid, I was always interested in, Victorian Britain and the way people spoke, the way people dressed and, you know, the language and stuff about that. But I, you know, as the years go by.

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But things change, man. You can't just fucking look, can you imagine if we spoke like we were Victorians? Like, now it's always going to evolve. Yeah. And it should or shouldn't. It's evolving everywhere, all over the planet. Every dialect changing. Kids are not supposed to talk like us. They're supposed to have their find their own way of communicating.

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And they have. It's nonsense, but it's theirs. And it's not just that. It is is it's cultures as well. Like if you're from a certain area, you'll have a different language. If you're into drill music, you're talking in a different way. If you're into Indian hip hop, you'll have a way of communicating that's a part of where, what you belong to.

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And yeah, language evolves in that. That's because of it. So that's, that's a that's an excellent segue because I was I've got it here that the kind of as Britain is being this, multicultural melting pot, the and the influence of pop culture TV, the different way in language has changed. And just like you said that a lot of young people will use terms like Wagwan Bombay Clarke.

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You remember as well. I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right. Bankert. Yeah. Pun shot. It was, it was this. And you said Bangladeshi. Yeah, it is Indian. Yeah, yeah. What it means, mother of a motherfucker or something like that. Sister. Sister fucker. That's it. Yeah, yeah, I say it's about one of one of the most kind of, horrible things you can say as well.

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Dollar, dollar dollar. Bunch of, brightly. And that was, you know, what that like, because he used to say that in, that program. Goodness gracious me. There was a lot of progress back when we were growing. I was using these types of language where it was, it kind of felt okay because the people on TV are saying this language, so I can say that, but it also taught me about different cultures and how they speak.

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And it was just, I don't know, I like we what? Yeah. Well, just as a kid, as a white kid going to high grade school, which was predominantly black. Yeah, we picked up slang that was of West Indian descent. The etymology come from that area. And so we would we would often use that and there would be a way of us communicating.

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But my dad hurt me because I'm. What the fuck are you talking about? You know what I mean? He wouldn't like it, but. But because you're so influenced as a kid by the people around you, the way you communicate becomes a part of your vernacular. And, it's a positive thing. Yeah, I, I was going to ask you because, like, I, like, even now, I would, you know, I would say that, you know, the demographic of 41 year old father of two, but I would still, meet up with my mates and use those terms.

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Yeah, because that's what I grew up with. We did together in WhatsApp groups. There's all all of us talk in ways that, you know, and as you get older, becomes less important. But every young is a part of I don't see. Yeah, exactly. And I love that as well. The kind of the way that the way that we chat and the language that we use and the kind of, that melding part and that the with my kids, I've noticed a heavy influence from my brothers in America, brothers and sisters in America.

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Now they've grown up with the YouTube. They are the YouTube generation. Yeah. And a lot of the stuff that they watch is American. So they will say, dad, are we going on vacation this year? Why not? We say, holiday, we got a holiday. You got another day. What you say and,

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Dad, which which ones is, does this go in, in the in the trash. Is it in the garbage? No it's not. None of those go. It's not. Not the bin. Put it in the bin. Candy. Elevate. You hear it when you hear it? Oh, you hear it. Oh. Do you have a. Well, like I say, not not a problem with the the kind of, influx of American vocab coming into our culture, but it's.

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You know, people do find it a bit problematic, and I'm just. I wouldn't say it's problematic for me. Maybe that's the. That's a bit of a, I think, wrong word, but I still, with the girls language and what they speak is I am still kind of like, we don't we don't say that in Britain. Yeah. So realize what we say and correct them as to say, this is what we say here and this is why.

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And explain it to them that way. Not that I'm like anti America or anti any of signs they might because it's all all language right. We have, we have words for those things. So if you're being more influenced by a YouTuber than you are your father.

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But that's young people. That's what they always want to do. That's what I did. But yeah, like that's irritating and trash instead of rubbish. Like just don't do that. Candy and all that sort of stuff. Yeah. But yeah, that's, I mean, that's the power of influence. Yeah. And I don't, I guess YouTube is the last person, people on earth that you would really want influence in young people.

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But so is here we are. Yeah. In terms of dialects and language and and influence. Have you ever heard Toronto, Toronto accent in Toronto? No. I, I can't remember it, but there it's it's a it's a weird accent, isn't it? Very weird. You won't be able to hear this, but I'm going to play a little bit so that people at home know exactly what I'm talking about.

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Okay? And what I don't like is if the business is true that you left your mom's in the hood. Somebody go smoke. Dude, you don't leave. Your mom's nowhere. You have money, and you left. Your mom's there. You're. You're a sick to my stomach. But if it's not true, Shorty's just talking shit. And what if, my skin is crawling right now?

00:30:08:07 – 00:30:31:13
So Toronto's weird one. It's like they've. It's like a combination between an American or Canadian accent and it. London road man. So you know what I'm talking about. My. Let's let me send you a link just so you because you didn't hear that. So when all kind of talk about it and you do you have a listen. Can you play it while we record it?

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I think so, yeah. Even just get it on your phone. I've just sent it to WhatsApp, but yeah. So obviously because the massive influence from Drake and how much of a culture vulture he seems to be where he is, he got sort of super obsessed, obsessed with the grime scene in, in London, and he would bring Skepta and gigs over and work with these guys and really start to talk like them, like there's, there's, there's bits in this, there's a sample or he's taken a bit from Drake in and I see Skepta tune this huge one that he had shut down.

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Yeah. He, he's just absorbed and use some of these languages. And then the kids obviously from the area because that's where Drake from and you kind of just taking it on and it's influence all of the the way they speak. Did you watch that clip. Yeah I did yeah I, I what is that like that is it. And it's everywhere.

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It's not just, just go I think this girl's relatively famous for it. This clip kind of went viral. But they they're all over there. Like if you're like, I know it's important to accept other cultures and your kid's going to be influenced by by the people they meet. But if one day they were just talking like normal Canadians and then they come over and they're talking like that, I think I got a hit.

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The kid, he got hit. Yeah. I, I very few times when you hit your kid, that's one of the, the I've noticed with my eldest there has been the, the kind of odd slide of road man like how she says things and I'm like, thank you. You're so innocent that don't don't do it. It's. I want to do that now.

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Yeah. Luckily, I know where we live. The kids are just the kind of cocooned away from that. They're all. They're all kids at, like road men in Devizes, where we live. It should be fake. I look at them go, you would be eaten alive in the streets of Edmonton like you. Literally. You would literally last five minutes before everything was taken from you.

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It was like even growing up, I felt and having lived in Tottenham for three years, four years, I felt didn't feel most comfortable in Edmonton. That was all the places I was like, I don't really feel comfortable here. I don't want to be here. Not that anything happened. It just didn't feel like it. It felt like a place that was kind of like a wild West, a little bit like anything could happen.

00:33:06:05 – 00:33:32:08
Like it didn't. It was very, very edgy. Always on the edge, super edgy. It could go either way. Right. So I'm looking at these kids in Devizes and they've got they're not tech tracksuits. No. It's just a this is a it's just a uniform. And I'm like this, you're behaving like this and you're acting like this because you, you're obsessed and you've been influenced by drill music and look at it, and music has a massive impact on how we behave and who we are and how we communicate.

00:33:32:08 – 00:33:51:07
And, you know, communities that we belong to. Music is always around those things. Yeah. They wouldn't it would be terrible for them in it and it'd be terrible for them. It would be like a goldfish and a shark. Yeah. They would come straight away and go right.

00:33:51:09 – 00:34:34:23
Give me your clothes. I want to have a little chat about the the changing of words for the we'll say the betterment at the moment. So back in the day used to be colored. Now person of color, people that were, you know, labeled fat plus sized. I've seen a lot on social at the moment. Now, I don't know if the a common thing or if it's just trying to game the algo, but people aren't saying she was murdered or she was killed under analyzed on a live.

00:34:34:23 – 00:34:59:16
I've seen that on TikTok. On I don't know I don't know if that is part of this to make it sound less negative or harsh, but I know what I was to get impacted by the algorithm. You hear it for sure, but that will definitely transport into real life now. Probably yes. Yes. So with those and again.

00:34:59:18 – 00:35:37:18
The the bone of the the internet, we have words like selfie Noel DMs, wrathful, wrathful, wrathful. Snowflake. Yeah. Gammon. Woke. Yeah. There's a lot of new words on the stream now. I just wanted to get you like, my thoughts on this kind of, progressive way on how we use language. And, we'll have a lot like. I think this is part of the discussion as well.

00:35:37:20 – 00:36:24:00
So, like a gender neutral language. So obviously they them. Policeman turning to police officer. Mankind changed to humankind. Man made artificial. So all these types of wording that is, you know, a show of progression that it isn't just about focusing on men and that these words that were used previously that were quite, you know, insensitive, inflammatory, whatever fat plus size, colored person of color.

00:36:24:03 – 00:36:56:06
Yeah. Is there a danger that as a nation or as a world that people are being pandered to to be labeled as something, or is this society saying, you know what, we're not happy to be called this anymore, and we don't have to stand being called colored or fat or whatever it might be that, you know, the pushback on that.

00:36:56:08 – 00:37:27:07
Right? I think we've we've spoken about some of this before, but is there a I guess what I'm trying to say is like, I'll be going too far to try and label everything, to try and pigeonhole everything and have a name for everything. Or is this kind of a way to say, whoever you are, whatever you're doing, as long as you're comfortable, then be comfortable?

00:37:27:09 – 00:37:51:12
Do you know what I mean? Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think so. So I think, there's been a movement, isn't there? In on on social media, but everywhere to be more kind and to be more understanding of why someone might be morbidly obese or,

00:37:51:14 – 00:38:19:05
And it's important that people aren't made to feel, you know, horrible. And if someone wants to be referred to as they them, he him, she her or he or she, whatever it is, then you can be respectful and use the pronouns that you should use and that the language changes and and be understanding of it. And like say you you mentioned colored it went to black.

00:38:19:05 – 00:38:41:19
Now is it people of color? Yeah. Person of color. Person. Yeah. Yes. It's a person of color is the preferred word but sort of term now. Yeah. So black is and then so. Well I guess if you're black and you're comfortable with the word back and you prefer that then. Yeah. But let's see now we're in that we get into really complicated and confusing areas.

00:38:41:21 – 00:39:18:12
So yeah some people it's fine but other people not. So how do you know what to say? I, I have no idea. But then as well, like with the changing of and people of color, people of color is, is grouping up a lot of people. Yeah, it's kind of like LGBT. I LGBT I a plus I think is sorry if I pictures that you're grouping up loads of people and just saying this is everybody that isn't straight, whereas there are big groups inside that you'd imagine don't want to be a part of all of those other groups.

00:39:18:14 – 00:39:52:00
Yeah, like a gay, gay, gay man and a lesbian aren't the same. They like the same sex, but it's not the same. It's they'd have different priorities, political priorities that have different, ways of living. And then you had sort of trans, asexual, like how is asexual and gay and related in any way? I know I don't I don't know if it's in there.

00:39:52:02 – 00:40:24:20
Yeah. It's not lumped in there. But again, like, yes, well we have not person of color, the progression of half caste. Like now no one says that and now it's, dual heritage or mixed heritage. Mixed race is all right at night. I think that one's. That one's gone. Maybe. I think it's dual heritage. So. So if there's no sort of slow things growing up, you knew you wouldn't shouldn't say half caste has always been to me has always been an open term I would never use.

00:40:24:20 – 00:40:44:09
It would be an unacceptable. Well, when I was younger, Half Caste was the sign. I think growing up we knew. I'm not saying it was. I'm not saying I found it. It was. It was. It was acceptable. That's what people said. I always thought half caste, wasn't it? I never I've never used that word ever. Mixed race.

00:40:44:09 – 00:41:08:00
I have used and continue to use this day because I didn't realize it. It's now deemed offensive. Who deems this offensive? How many people have to find it offensive in order for everyone to stop using it? And a case in point. My dad is says colored a. My nana used to say colored because they think saying but like they felt bad saying black like black was a bad word.

00:41:08:02 – 00:41:33:03
So you say colored from a position of actually saying this is that this is the kindest way to say this, or whatever the least offensive way to say it. But they were wrong because for a long while color's been bad. I get that up because I was, you know, I have hesitated of using the word black or saying the word black because I don't know what what's right anymore.

00:41:33:03 – 00:41:58:12
And I don't want to offend people and I don't want to get into a horrible situation. So I think if you if you usher, I mean, I feel comfortable saying what? Yeah, I do, but I don't I do feel comfortable saying white, but I don't feel comfortable of labeling stuff. Do you know what I mean? It's to say all this white guy said to me, you're like, it's just a guy.

00:41:58:14 – 00:42:31:23
Do you know what I mean? I don't really I for me, I don't like there being this separation. And to talk about this is what white people do. This is what black people do. And we've had conversations here about using the word pan-Asian as opposed to South Asian. East Asian. Yeah. Because my it was told after I said I use the word oriental, which in interestingly, Oriental in America is deeply offensive.

00:42:32:00 – 00:42:55:21
Like, and I know this because I did a podcast called The Other Podcast behind Patron People to do it. It's like CoC, and we was using the word Oriental freely, and we got really angry message from a guy who lives in America. His wife is Asia, he's Asian, and in America it's actually written in law. It's so it's so offensive that you can't use it to some degree.

00:42:55:21 – 00:43:19:17
This this was passed during Obama's reign. Mark. He was furious. And this is what I'm saying about language. It's the same word, but depending on where you are, it has different meanings and different. The weight of it's different. So we, we we got empowered by this man, and he was furious with ignorance, like, how could we be using that word?

00:43:19:19 – 00:43:48:21
And I was like, shocked by this email because it's like, it doesn't it's not offensive in England. It's not a offensive. It's not an offensive word. And I know this for two reasons. There's a Tik Tok, a who Johnny Wong and he, he talks a lot about this stuff and he says it's fine. But also, a friend of mine who I won't name his wife is from Vietnam, and she thinks the best way to describe people from the Orient or from East Asia is Oriental.

00:43:48:21 – 00:44:10:20
And she is very comfortable with it. Right. The point is, and it just goes on to say, well, that's interesting, man, because like, yeah, we have had this conversation and I was always, thought the best way was, was East Asian. It probably is the best South Asian. You know, that no one's going to be offended by East Asia.

00:44:10:22 – 00:44:34:21
Yeah, she's the best looking. It's so tricky. Right. But they if you has as a woman from Vietnam, she wants to describe herself as Oriental. Right. She wants to. And it's her right to because that's so and not that it would ever come up. But if I said that word around it, she wouldn't. It wouldn't even bat an eyelid.

00:44:34:21 – 00:44:50:19
But if you're in, if you fly across the pond, you're in all kinds of trouble. Fuck, I didn't say that. Fascinating, though. In it. Yes. Yeah. Is totally. Before we wrap this up, I wanted to.

00:44:50:21 – 00:45:18:19
Again, like I said, the words I keep saying seeing rather snowflake gammon woke this type of new language that's come in and it's it's, Well, would you say it's like a pejorative? Yeah. It's not the right word. I mean, yeah, it just has like a, it's a negative light comes from a negative place or a negative meaning.

00:45:18:21 – 00:45:21:07
Yeah.

00:45:21:09 – 00:45:47:00
Do you, do you use these type of that language in your kind of common. What woke. Yeah. Is that is this is this is it coming to your. Yes. Yeah. And like every night. Yeah. Yeah. I mean yeah. But only when mucking about, like talking and, like, having a lot of lights. I know I'm big. I get it cuz.

00:45:47:01 – 00:46:19:05
Be gammon all the time and so much so that people have Photoshop my face on a piece of gammon. Yeah. That's nice. There's a lot. Yes. It's good. Yeah. And so you kind of lean into it a little bit. Yeah, I guess so. Sometimes I think it's. Well, it's interesting, right? Because that's a good friend of ours, as mentioned to me the other day, is that woke is means something slightly different.

00:46:19:05 – 00:46:47:24
And I'm not going to attempt to butcher that, you know, and articulate how this has changed. But woke originally with something very different and comes from black culture. But now woke means anyone who is, you know, overtly offended and lefty lefty, right. They meant something else originally. And and I think this person is irritated when he hears the word woke being used constantly because it's the original.

00:46:48:00 – 00:47:31:03
The original meaning has been lost, and it still has weight for those people. But the way to make this more relative in the what we can talk about, Rick, is the word Yid, because we know, Spurs fans. It's a collective noun for describing Spurs fans, right? Yeah. It also is an offensive word for a Jewish person. And there's been this long running battle between Spurs fans and their feeling that they have the right to refer to themselves as it's as a collective noun for being Spurs fans and sections of the Jewish community who think we shouldn't be using it because it's offensive to them.

00:47:31:05 – 00:47:51:16
And the interesting thing is, both of those things are true. And, and, and this is the way language works is it is an offensive term within a certain context, and it is a collective noun for groups, for Spurs fans, in a certain context, depending on how you want to look at that word, it's either offensive or it isn't offensive.

00:47:51:16 – 00:48:15:12
So it's up to the person hearing it to decide whether or not it's offensive or not. So there has been constant this. This even went through a run in 2006 77. There was the crown Prosecution Service arrested Spurs fans at the game for singing and chanting while we were at the game as well. Ricky, you and I. Yeah, we were arrested for singing the word.

00:48:15:12 – 00:48:46:08
Yeah, and this went through the courts and was eventually thrown out because context and intent needs to be taken into it to understand that whether or not a word is or isn't, offensive, because otherwise it's just letters that look the same. So so, you know, there are people now that haven't had and gone through this conversation and had this, these experiences that choose not to sing the word yet not Spurs fans decide to decide to to say not to.

00:48:46:14 – 00:49:05:08
You know, they decide, I'm not going to sing. You know me anymore, right? And I'm going to say y word instead. So they did. And then there are lots of most Spurs fans who go to games that still sing it freely. But it's interesting that the the same word that once meant something else is adopted by another group, and now it means legitimately means something different completely.

00:49:05:10 – 00:49:41:21
So there are two definitions for the word Yid, and it's the same word that is in. That is very interesting. I hadn't even thought about that. I hadn't even thought about that. So, I mean, yeah. Right. Okay. Actually, I just wanted to this is the main reason why I brought this up, because again, in the paper, I don't know if you've seen, Sam Smith, he he's a common guy that everyone loves to kind of hate, but he has come out and he is said that he is self partnered.

00:49:41:23 – 00:50:09:14
So he's not single. He's self partnered. He's in a relationship with himself. Yep. And as you can imagine. What hang on minute. Sorry, I was just distracted by something like Sam Smith has come out and he said oh good isn't is it fucking job. Just the one going up is that Leeds job is saying, come on man. I think he sees these opportunities fish of them self partnered and for me it means nothing to me.

00:50:09:15 – 00:50:33:16
He could use these words and people of a certain demographic, certain age, and they can use it and feel comfortable and do whatever. I don't give a shit. It means you know, it does. It doesn't matter to me. But I do absolutely pissed myself about the absolute uproar that it causes. And people are just, like, foaming at the mouth.

00:50:33:18 – 00:50:51:16
How can he say he's in a relationship with himself? Just don't care about it. I just don't just worry about it. Like if he wants to be, if he wants to say that and he wants to be in a relationship with himself, fine. I'm like, okay, that's that's enough. In his rage, beaten up. Yeah. Yeah, it is, it is.

00:50:51:16 – 00:51:11:23
But I, I don't know, it does. I didn't know if you'd heard it or not. No I hadn't, but I, I'm not surprised I he is he is a knobhead. But it's not, it's not something that I, you know, I spend any time thinking about at all really. I as soon as. Yes, but but but weirdly, my issue.

00:51:12:00 – 00:51:29:05
I didn't hear you say Sam Smith when you were talking. Then I just thought when my ears perked up is when you just said he's in a relationship with himself, he's having a self relationship and I might as well. What, because it doesn't make any sense. Ricky, we're all in a relationship with ourselves all the time. Yeah. You don't.

00:51:29:07 – 00:51:50:04
People choose to be alone rather than being in relationships. That doesn't mean you're in a relationship with yourself. You just single. So it's like adding, trying to add a sign out of this important to something that is very normal. Certainly. Yeah. No. But like he's good at seeing what has he got to just fucking do this thing to see and why he got one.

00:51:50:04 – 00:52:13:13
Everyone up all the time singing Star Wars. Let's not do this again and again with that. The to to round it off, the bit about the self partner in a relationship with with oneself. I was kind of a I'm always in a relationship with myself because I'm always trying to grow and develop and understand myself better and other people around me and stuff like that.

00:52:13:13 – 00:52:38:08
So again, it didn't really make sense, but again, I didn't. This is the problem grammatically. It doesn't make any sense. And and people there is, there is. It's fine. So it's a correct correct. Grammatically what this relationship means it needs you need two things to have a relationship. You need two points. You can't grammatically cannot have a relationship with yourself.

00:52:38:10 – 00:52:57:15
Right. It's impossible because language exists. So it's insane in the same sense as saying like why? Why? Man, I don't want to be offensive. I don't want people to get annoyed at this. Right? But I've got to say it, guy,

00:52:57:17 – 00:53:23:00
People can identify exactly how they want to identify. They can. Yeah. And you can say that you you are a woman. Woman. You can say your, several things. You can say you're a tree, I won't mind. I don't care if you're happy. That's the most important thing. So there's a difference between how you identify and what you feel.

00:53:23:02 – 00:53:42:04
And then. And then the grammar, the grammar of it. So. You can you can say, you know what? I can't be bothered. I'm not going to say it because what am I going to get what I'm gonna get out of it? I'm just going to get people are going to get annoyed and that's it. So I'm just fucking not going to say it, right.

00:53:42:04 – 00:54:05:12
Well, what you can tell me, isn't that a problem? He's not a problem when you don't. I would rather not say something that I feel is true for fear of reprisal. So I'm now silencing myself because of what might come back. And that is worrying and dangerous. So this is how I mean, this is part of the the whole language discussion.

00:54:05:12 – 00:54:43:13
So when I was writing out the running order, I'm just putting these thing together and in fear of saying specific words or triggering words or anything like that, that where my beliefs were, that might be a problem for for someone else and someone listening to. I actually, to a lesser extent of probably what you're going to say, but when I was writing out the word fat and saying the word fat, that a lot of people hate that words and it is triggering for people and talking around that now is is a different conversation.

00:54:43:13 – 00:55:16:06
What do you think about body body positivity? And everyone should be happy with their body. I think people should be comfortable within that, within their own skin and that I, I don't like the way that for years society has built itself on like landmarks. And you should look a certain way. Yeah. And and stuff like that. Yeah. But I think there comes a time where it becomes full circle, where someone is 30 stone and you're saying a good for you.

00:55:16:06 – 00:55:37:20
It's not. No, it's going to be dead. You can be dead. You'll be dead by 45. Someone needs to say, I'm supportive of you, I love you. Let's just have it, okay? Yeah, yeah. But if you carry on going in there jittery, there isn't going to be you anymore. You can't be positive about. It's bucking against. So what it does is bucked against all of the things you just said.

00:55:37:20 – 00:55:57:22
Like an era where being the body positivity and people feeling secure in their in the way they look was not allowed because of lad culture. Lad mags. And there was this sort of body shaming aspect a lot through 2000 and probably in the 90s as well. And so yeah, what you do is you get a reaction to that.

00:55:58:01 – 00:56:38:17
So people are like super positive about about the their bodies and then the other and you got Lizzo who's like celebrated everyone telling her she's beautiful. She may be beautiful, right? You know, everyone has a type, but she's not beautiful by proxy just because of the way she looks. Right? Is that damaging where we have developed a culture that so understanding and dismissive and it to a point where they're not willing to acknowledge the fact that with being morbidly obese comes diabetes, heart failure and all those other things.

00:56:38:19 – 00:57:02:20
So if we're going to go down this part, I like fag, I like it, I like I smoke when I have a few beers. Yeah. So I don't want anyone digging me out when I have lung cancer. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't want anyone gone. You shouldn't have smoked. Well, I know, but it's what you're what you're saying.

00:57:02:22 – 00:57:29:05
Like, with the, the the body positivity. Just as an example, like Lizzo then she is a celebrity and she is kind of, on a pedestal for being body positive and being who she is. But then it kind of but some but she's got she's got someone going back. What I want to say because people then look up to and say, well, if least I can do it, I can do it.

00:57:29:05 – 00:57:51:22
I don't have to lose weight. I don't have to worry about the complications of have holding this much weight. Yeah, and then it's like, you know, and the health service and but the problem is, is peace and relationships and the, you know, excuse the pun, the weight of it all is it's not taken into consideration is glorified almost.

00:57:51:24 – 00:58:19:04
Yeah. So yeah, it's good. So we're going to go into something a bit more lighter now. Good. So we've got dilemmas and something only you know the dilemma is called from Vietnam with love and something only you know is called where the fuck is Walter. The topic for next week is technology. Is it helping or hindering society? Kids don't get up to mischief anymore.

00:58:19:10 – 00:58:55:13
No one plays out. Kids are no longer, use their imagination. Socializing is become an issue with people learning life skills. And this is similar to what you you, go on about as well. Flaps. So the friend food chain, you know, your of your beat is the funny ones all that lot. But learning your place in a group of people or society used to be done in pubs when we used to socialize and go out, but we're not doing that as much anymore and has technology been a good thing, a bad thing.

00:58:55:13 – 00:59:22:24
So we're going to discuss that. So any stories that you have that you want to share or anything weighing on your mind, you know where to email us lads anon pod at gmail.com. And we are now going to go into dilemmas. So, just you got an issue for a tissue? You're a bit sad cause Penguin kissed you an aching in your soul, alone in your flat.

00:59:23:04 – 00:59:55:15
Please talk to Vicky Flanagan. Let that stress off your chest. Well, friends, you deserve a place like you're safe to get nice and warm between. Vicky, your plans. I'm typing this from a sleeper bus in Vietnam. I've been backpacking with a power from uni for just over a month now. I was warned beforehand about the strong possibility that I'll fall in love on my travels.

00:59:55:17 – 01:00:16:18
You really do meet a lot of women. Anyway, we've been traveling with two Dutch girls for over two weeks and I've had feelings for one of them the whole time. I plucked up the courage to say something on our last night out together in Hanoi four days ago. She felt the same way and we had an incredible night together.

01:00:16:19 – 01:00:34:09
It was very special. Since then, she's been on my mind constantly. But a spanner was thrown into the works because two days after our night together, I slept with a Danish girl. That's not me.

01:00:34:11 – 01:01:16:14
That is the man non-existing, is it? And this is. Despite not having any sort of commitment to the Dutch girl, I feel incredibly guilty. Because if she did the same, I know how I would feel. It was a drunken act that I massively regret. Luckily, she doesn't know. Would this be something I ever tell her? I guess the dilemma is, am I getting too hung up on this Danish girl when I when I would have at least the next summer, she would be at least five weeks, then potentially whole year in Australia without her.

01:01:16:16 – 01:01:38:19
Also, I've known her for two weeks, but it feels like I've known her a lot longer and I can definitely see a future with her after this. Is she the right? Is it the right person in the wrong time, or do I need to make it the right time? What should I do? What? So. So he's. He's infatuated with this Dutch girl.

01:01:38:21 – 01:02:00:06
Yeah. Don't tell her about the Danish girl. Ever. Yeah, I don't yeah, that dining form. And I love that, I love that I love this woman. I would finally and then. Then two days later, I slept with a Danish girl with was wrong with us. Like we just preprogramed the different. Yeah. Decisions. Yeah. Look, you have to make it work.

01:02:00:06 – 01:02:17:11
You have to go with. If you feel that strongly, then you need to give it every opportunity. Don't wait for it to happen. There's a reason why I live in the ass end of nowhere. Because I met a girl at a festival in Portugal, and I knew that she was the one. And so I had to move my life to go to her.

01:02:17:13 – 01:02:47:06
And that's why I did. And now I'm married. There you go. There you go. I mean, again, you're going to be traveling a lot, right? You're going to be meeting a lot of people. So it's going to be a lot to put your life on hold for this, this lady. So what I would kind of, make sure that she is the one and that you are in the right place together and that you are going to kind of keep to your, whatever decision that you make.

01:02:47:06 – 01:03:10:18
And then afterwards go and see her, spend some time. And if she is the one, she will be the one. And maybe you won't even do that year in Australia because you think, you know what I found what I want, I'm going to stay here and, that's what you're going to get for our advice. Now we are going to jump into something only you know.

01:03:10:20 – 01:03:39:13
Something, you know, you do that. Where the fuck is water? I've had an absolute nightmare here that this has happened in the last two weeks. I've been seeing a woman from Slough, proper friends with benefits. No snakes in Slough. No strings. I just go around their flat once a week, server up the day. But I'm happy with it.

01:03:39:15 – 01:04:03:22
We're both happy with this arrangement, and I've been bragging to my mates about it. They're all proper jelly when I fill them in about our escapade. Sex Capades. Anyway, this girl has a six week trip booked in South America. I told her to crack on whoever she wanted. No drama. She said it wasn't that kind of trip. But she did have one big ask of me.

01:04:03:24 – 01:04:32:11
She wanted me to pop around the flat once a week to check everything was okay and ticking over. I agreed. Well, I've also failed to mention in this story it's my fuck buddy lives with water, an African gray parrot in her words. Water has been by her side for nearly 20 years and it is her best friend in the whole world.

01:04:32:13 – 01:04:54:02
Now. Water is dead easy to look after. Change the shit carpet floor and his cage top his food up with seeds at his water and let him fly around for 15 20 minutes. Jobs are good in. Okay, so I've sorted water out. Time for a quick fag fag break on the balcony and then on I trot. As usual.

01:04:54:02 – 01:05:24:10
I flick my cig off the balcony, shut the balcony door. One last glance at will, and I disappear. Only this time he wasn't in his cage. Was a. I frantically checked the whole flat, but nothing. I look over to the balcony and who do I see sitting on the railings that can't water? I I'd not put him back in the cage before I'd gone out for a snout, at least flown out behind me through the balcony doors.

01:05:24:12 – 01:05:51:20
As soon as I open the balcony door, he was off. Okay, now I'm fucked because water has flown off. And water is fucked because he's an indoor parrot flying around Slough. To cut an already long story short, I visited daily and saw water a few times, but that fucker had gone. I planned to meet this woman in her flat on the day of her return to tell her face to face.

01:05:51:22 – 01:06:15:17
I put the key in the door and to my surprise, the door swung open. Where the fuck is Will? As soon as I started stumbling for my words, she knew. She dropped to her knees in the stairwell flats and let out a blood curdling scream which echoed around the entire building. It was a bad one, lads. She was broken.

01:06:15:19 – 01:06:47:16
Needless to say, water was never found. We're no longer in touch. And that is something I need. I. She couldn't forgive him. My fucking bird flew away. What? You shouldn't have a fucking parrot and a fried rice book anyway. It's fucking over. Oh, God. Can you imagine the dread of, like, going, right, flicking the cigaret like, guidance back and looking at the cage being like, fuck, fuck, where is he?

01:06:47:16 – 01:07:12:09
And then seen him outside of me, not fuck, fuck, God damn it. Well, you ruined it. That was excellent. If you have any more dilemmas, any more something only you know, send it in. And if you have anything you'd like to, for us to discuss any stories about next week's topic about technology and how it's affecting society, email us in.

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Lads, non pod, gmail.com and we will see you on Monday. On the night hazy light band of brothers playing tunes. Hi. Is quite midnight. Waves surfing through till daylight breaks. Rhythm hit us different ways. Lover music's out. We prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band aside we like to speak and yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains.

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Brothers.