#8 | This Will Cure Your Fear Of Flying…

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Hello and welcome to episode eight of Land Anonymous, a podcast where two best mates of over 20 years invite you to join their safe space where all manner of subjects will be discussed. We'll focus on a specific subject matter first, and then we'll answer your questions, dilemmas or need for advice. So sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast.

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How's it going? Flat. So all right, mate. Yeah, yeah. How are you? Yeah, a little bit apprehensive about today's topic. Why? Because, I mean, obviously it's, We'll just get it out there now for fear of flying. Yeah. It's one of those things where you, you have to confront your fear. And normally, as humans, we just want to put our head in the sand, and we don't want to discuss it.

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I don't really want to discuss it, but I think it's, Well, what? What's what? So, speaking things that exist constantly in your head every minute of the day is, is going to change things somehow. Well, like, I will I be more fearful after this conversation? I don't think so. I think you'd be as fearful as you are right now, which is a a palpable amount of fear has.

00:01:12:07 – 00:01:35:20
Like what what what what more talking about? There's talking about being scared of flying is going to make you more scared of flying. Watching air crash investigation is going to make you more scared of flying. Who the fuck watches programs like that? It keeps I made. Luckily, they love it. What? Why would you want to find out? Why would you want to watch that?

00:01:35:22 – 00:01:55:15
I watch one, Rick, and it's like I'm scared of sharks. But I'm fascinated by them. Right? And I watch shark shark attack videos, but I won't go in to see you. Got to get in the plane. Yeah, there was one. Rick, I don't want to tell you this. Right. That's. I got this is your. This is going to stay with you for the rest of your life.

00:01:55:15 – 00:02:17:04
What I'm about to tell you. Fantastic. There was one that had the screw that was a screw loose in the tower of the plane, and it brought the whole thing crashing down out of the air. Oh fuck off. I thought you were going to talk about Sean. I'm checking. Oh, Jack. You know Jack, that kid shark, you know?

00:02:17:04 – 00:02:42:09
Man. Yeah. It's not going to be. I don't want the podcast to be about the actual, like, crashing. And, we haven't got any examples, and I don't want to fucking know about those examples, but it's just mainly the experience of a fear of flying where it comes from, what people do to kind of, navigate your genuinely apprehensive journey.

00:02:42:11 – 00:03:02:06
Yeah. Course, mate. Course I fucking hate flying. I had to do six flights last year. I did, I, it's just me. Didn't you find like. But despite a few. Felt a bit better about it, though. Not really. Oh, I did, I did, I did. The more you do it, the more you used to even realize you've been an absolute bellend.

00:03:02:08 – 00:03:32:01
But, that's a bit harsh. But, Rick, it's not an irrational fear. That's the thing. It's a completely understandable fear that he. And he's just. There's lots of us. There's, like, 40% of the people are scared of flying, apparently. It's not like we're not the like, it's not weird to be afraid of going up in a tin can in the middle of the sky, and somehow physics, according to people who know this, that this stuff can keep a chunk of metal in the sky at 38,000ft.

00:03:32:03 – 00:03:56:05
What, what? Why does it stay out? They can explain it to me. Well. Air pressure? No, not enough. Say, super jet engines. One thing that actually just, I just thought about now that I hadn't thought about in years, talking about airplane, crash investigations and stuff. There was a program that I used to hate watching when I was a kid.

00:03:56:07 – 00:04:22:16
And anytime I heard the music for the program starting and even now, when I hear it on YouTube or anything, it freaks me the fuck out and I have to switch whatever it is that I'm watching. Was it nine, nine, nine? Unsolved mysteries night. My God. What what what, like the Bermuda Triangle of planes disappeared, and, you know, it's like ghosts.

00:04:22:16 – 00:04:51:06
Poltergeist. I always remember there was this one where there was this, It was like a, It was a a baby's highchair, and, like, everyone was up asleep at night and they heard loud noises downstairs, and they came down and in the baby's highchair there was like, handprints where the baby sits and all up the chair and on the floor and stuff like that, and they have no idea where it came from.

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And I was always like, fucking oh man. Like, where did it come from? There's there's a baby ghost in the house. No one knows where it is. It's the ghost stuff that really, used to fucking do me. And he didn't like the ghost. No, no, I still absolutely I can't I can't deal with any ghost stories or poltergeist stories or so.

00:05:14:03 – 00:05:41:08
So if you, if you're a patron of the Fighting Cock podcast, you'll know that we do something called the Other Podcast. And we talked about ghosts this week. Oh, shit. Really? I haven't listened to that one. Yeah, listen to it. Because I've had two instances in my life which I won't go into it here. We can do an episode on ghosts if you're that scared of him, but, two incidences in my life which I cannot explain, which I think if.

00:05:41:10 – 00:05:57:12
But I'm sure there is explanations for them, but I don't know what they are. Two really bad ones. I'm going to listen to that as soon as, cities we go often way so similar to not me to so much about because I was terrified of ghosts when I was a kid. I grew out of it because they're not real.

00:05:57:12 – 00:06:21:13
In the same way that magic isn't real and time travel isn't real. Ghosts are not real disrespectful. But, well, magic is real. But so there's always an explanation for a magic trick, even though it appears to be magic, right? The same for this really is. Ghosts aren't real, right? And there's no proof in the world that they are real.

00:06:21:13 – 00:06:40:09
There's just people who want to believe that they're real, and then people that have an industry in making you think that they're real. Everyone else gets on with their lives. There was this like black and white photo I remember. You can see that. You can see like the ghost in it. And I'm just like in the 80s that photo was yeah.

00:06:40:09 – 00:07:07:08
Oh mate. Yeah. Fucking huge. And just that stuff like that, it's just burned into my brain and I just can't, can't escape it. I want to go onto something a little bit more, fun now. And I am livid with this, if I'm honest. Really? Like, it's taken me a back to be honest with you have now, last week we had a chat about what is God tier in eggs.

00:07:07:08 – 00:07:35:17
Yes we did. Is it poached? Is it fried? Is it scrambled or is it boiled? Yeah. Now we did some voting again on on our social and Facebook. We had four votes. Now Facebook. We haven't even promoted Facebook on there because neither of us really use it. But on Facebook and Facebook made me create a page. So if you want to follow Lads Anonymous on Facebook, it's just lads, a nonprofit.

00:07:35:21 – 00:07:54:02
So go and give us a like there. You get more traction if you ask people to get their mums to follow us on Facebook. That's how you use it. Facebook your mum. Well there's there's a few people that listen to the podcast that they don't do social media, but the only thing they have is Facebook. Fuck them people.

00:07:54:04 – 00:08:13:14
So if no, no, get that, get like that. Right. And then and then they and then they can go. So there was four votes on Facebook and one of them was from my dad, which he likes the post now I don't know if he liked it was because he likes scrambled eggs or he was just, you know, wanting to.

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It just enjoys what his son's putting out. So I think it's disappointing to me. Yeah. I want to know, where was the last time you saw this really? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Fried eggs before, you know, boom. We go to the cafe. He loves a little fried egg. Yeah. He looks like a man who loves a Friday. Yeah, it does.

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Then, on Instagram, we have 85 votes or an 85 votes. Fried egg one. Okay, I'll just put that out there. But on Twitter, we had a total of 1730 votes. Okay, 31%, 32% and 33%. Okay. Now it's very close. So now I'm going to go through the totals. Boiled egg 74 votes, a lowly 74 votes. No surprise there.

00:09:08:22 – 00:09:39:19
But though that means 74 people out there chose boiled egg over all the other eggs, no fuck is wrong with him. What is wrong with him? Fucking disgusting. I say. They are third place with 536 votes. Fried egg 33rd. I cannot believe I thought that. I thought this was Britain, man. I thought we were built on fucking fry ups and fried eggs.

00:09:39:20 – 00:10:02:13
No, no. But you know, we've changed as a nation. It isn't the 80s anymore, right? We're not it. Go on. Go. I'm so I'm, I'm I know which is number one I don't know, but I know because I, I trust in an audience. Right. Second place. Yeah. If 553 votes do not say poached eggs. Poached egg. Oh, bullshit.

00:10:02:17 – 00:10:28:15
Absolute nonsense. The winner on 570 votes scrambled eggs was close. So it's it's close between fried, poached and scrambled. But scrambled eggs have have won the day. And I just want to say I'm bloody disappointed in people that listen to this podcast because, well, you folks fried egg fried eggs number one. Right? Yeah. It should be. Well we're not I'm not having another conversation about fucking eggs.

00:10:28:15 – 00:10:53:05
Right. But, okay. But, you're wrong. Right. Okay. Talking about boiled eggs. Oh, gosh. Someone's wrote in. Well, on last week's podcast, you discuss flops, hatred for hard boiled eggs. I can totally relate to this. When I was seven, I was eating my state school supply dinner and had left a hard boiled egg and a beetroot on my plate.

00:10:53:07 – 00:11:13:09
I never like beetroot, boiled egg soldiers and scrambled eggs at home. However, hard boiled eggs had always been a no no. My favorite primary school teacher approached me and insisted that I finish the food on my plate. She forced me to eat it 10s later, the food decided that it was happier. Back on the plate and up it came.

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This moment had a huge psychological impact on me, and I could no longer stand the smell of eggs or beetroot. I would feel physically sick to the stomach if I smoked either. Not only that, the experience gave me an instant phobia towards eggs. They so happen 54 years ago and to this day I still find it impossible to cope with seeing someone I hard boiled egg.

00:11:39:24 – 00:12:05:22
Wow. Using a trauma of hard boiled eggs. That's that is crazy. See this is a couple of things. One, you shouldn't force kids to eat things. Even if they're being a little bit picky. They've got to get to the stage themselves, especially things like boiled eggs and beetroot specific tastes. But then to not have been able to enjoy an egg for 54 years because that the head teacher made him eat it, that's all different is harsh.

00:12:05:22 – 00:12:24:12
That's. But it's the 70s, 80s, 60s. That would have been 7060s. Yeah, yeah, everyone fucking complained back then. I just got on with it. Maybe we need a bit more of that in today's society, what are we doing in today's society to complain about shit? That ain't right. They used to be. Make them force all kids to eat boiled eggs at school.

00:12:24:14 – 00:12:56:14
Everyone just said no, no chewing. You just got to swallow it. Just this egg slides down. Yeah. That is that isn't, we've we've got people in their 60s listening to the lads anonymous episode. Yeah, yeah, which is good. Any other ladies? Any other ladies? Any other ladies in the listeners listening while we're, on the the egg chat?

00:12:56:16 – 00:13:24:00
Not more egg. This will be like a dip in dip in the egg, but double dip. Update from last week's things only you know. So this was a gentleman who had split up with his ex. He bumped into his ex, had started sleeping with her, and then the old ex came back and was sleeping with her two. So him sleeping with the old ex and the and the the two exes?

00:13:24:00 – 00:13:43:20
Yes. Two exes. They didn't know and they didn't know. So he wrote in. I thought I'd update you on the threesome situation. That's right. He wanted to free. He was wondering if there was any chance he could basically get both of them to sleep within the same time, even though they didn't know that each other existed. And he was like, I wonder if he's some in.

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And we said, no chance, right. Exactly. Told both of them that I'm not ready for a relationship and I want to keep things casual, which they both accepted. Only slept with one of them in the past week. The reason I think the threesome could be on is that when I was with my ex ex, she said she would consider having one.

00:14:05:07 – 00:14:32:19
So I think I need to convince my recent ex. Also, we'd like to set the record straight. I always wear a condom. The only time I didn't wear one when sleeping with a girl, I wasn't in a relationship where I wasn't in a relationship with. I caught chlamydia. So it's a it's a good update. I don't think. I'm glad to hear that you are wearing John's.

00:14:32:19 – 00:15:05:00
That's that's that's good. But, the threesome thing, I just can't see it happening. I can't see it happening. I mean, keep trying because she likes me for the pod. Keep trying. But, if. Yeah, I mean, if you do that, I mean, whenever I think of threesomes, so the guy who I asked to, I won't name, but I asked to send in a story about his experiences.

00:15:05:02 – 00:15:25:23
Experience of having two women. Yeah, he said he was going to do it. He has been very busy. He doesn't have any issues with telling the story. He just hasn't had time at the moment. So he's let me down. I think that's that's fine. We'll, we'll keep badgering him. Yeah. We'll come back. Yeah. And he'll send in, a recording.

00:15:25:24 – 00:16:06:06
Now the next reply for last week's pod, which was about time travel and going back in time to travel, whether in person or in history. How events happen. And this one was it's a somber one. So I'll just read a bit. It's to kind of come back to this. So Sunday, November the 10th, 2019 A wake up on my dad shows me a local news article about a red Porsche that was found upside down, launched through the second story windows of a brick office building in town.

00:16:06:08 – 00:16:28:09
I said, Holy shit, those idiots must have been flying. I go about my morning. I head to my friend's house to watch the NFL games. My best mates neighbor, who I knew pretty well but rarely spoke with, calls me, I answer and he just says, hey, I guess you probably heard by now. It immediately clicks. That was my best friend's Porsche in that building.

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He bought it a few months earlier. I've driven in that car with him on the same road where the crash happened. It turns out he and another great childhood friend of mine were drunkenly joyriding together, lost control, hit the median and launched into the second story building both dead on impact. 22 years old now. He goes on to say that that evening he was making calls to a lot of his mates to come and party around his house, and he didn't call this friend.

00:17:00:00 – 00:17:23:08
He crash because they had an Android phone and he was FaceTiming people, and he wished he just did an audio call, and maybe that wouldn't have happened because they would have come back and partied at his house. Now, there's a lot of times, and especially on last week's podcast where we spoke about embarrassing stories and moments in time that we would like to change.

00:17:23:10 – 00:17:47:06
But I just want to say, don't dwell on these things, man, because it will just it will end up eating you alive of things that you wish you could have done and things that you could have changed. And oh, the you know, history. Yeah. And it's incredibly sad. Yeah, it's sad, but it's like, no, not but it's sad.

00:17:47:09 – 00:18:15:09
It's there's no part. It's sad. But it has nothing to do with whether or not you text him. Yeah. Just go. Go forgive yourself. Yeah. Forgive yourself. Yeah. That's that's, that sage words again. Now, because I've used that many a time, especially after a big night out. Yeah, exactly. And now onto, happier conversation. Fear of flying.

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On a scale of ten, Rick. How how how afraid of flying are you? Good. Got questions? If you could line questions up. Yeah, I've got questions. Right. I got questions. Okay, you crack on and then I won't ask the question. Probably come up, but. Right. Okay. When did you notice that you had a fear of flying for years.

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Did it come from four years? Oh, that early? No. Maybe 4 or 5 years old. So my first fear of it was, yeah, that young my dad, my dad and my mum had recently separated and my, my dad had decided to take us to a BFR, weirdly, of all places, me, my nan and my granddad, they all went to our BFR.

00:18:57:02 – 00:19:31:06
I don't think I'd be back then. This would have been 85, so it probably wasn't exactly the same as it was now imagine the strength of the pills you might be for in the 80s they broke in my nan just off her tits on Pingers. I hope that was the case, but I don't think it was. Anyway, I, I remember walking down this corridor and seeing this kite image on the side of the side of the, corridor and getting and getting into the plane, and then I don't remember much, but I remember thinking a bit.

00:19:31:08 – 00:19:56:01
I remember the feeling of being scared, or I'm placing that memory back and connecting to what I feel now to that. That would have been the first, the first time. But then every time since every single time. What about you? Mine was. It's really weird. So when I was younger, my grandparents, they retired and moved out to Spain like in the early 80s.

00:19:56:01 – 00:20:19:05
So my summer holidays, I would always be, I would get taken to Luton Airport, dropped off at the monarch, reception. Oh, I can't remember that. Despite the monarchs. And, they would kind of yellow. Yeah. It was. Is it yellow? It was. Yeah. Monarch was alright. Our business monarch was nice. So it wasn't like it was.

00:20:19:05 – 00:20:40:15
Oh like my it wasn't like Ryanair. Monarch was was getting more like mountains. I haven't done that. Right. So we'd wear these lanyards to obviously know who we were and all our passports and all that that was on there. We'd get on the fly, the ash, stewardess would, would look after us. It was fine. Brilliant time. I remember flying in thunderstorms.

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I remember fun with my parents. Everything. You know, that they'd never been a situation where I was frightened or had that fear. And I think it all started. This is going to sound weird. When I passed my driving test, right? Listen me out, okay? I think it's because I realized that if I was in a car crash or going to have a car crash, there were a number of things that I could do to prevent the impact or or lessen the blow, whatever it might be.

00:21:18:00 – 00:21:47:21
But I'm kind of I'm in control. Whereas on a plane I ain't in control. Yeah. And more often than not, if it if something does happen and it goes down, there's only going to be one winner. So I'm just not not more often all the time that you fall into that if you're falling 38,000 or whatever, 37,000ft out of the air, the you're dead and everyone's dead.

00:21:47:23 – 00:22:10:21
And everyone has experienced that going down together, knowing that we're all fucking dead. Not only that, your loved ones with you because that one's getting lonely on your own. They're all fucking dead. That they're dead. That is one thing that does strike the fear of God in me. Like going on family holidays that were all wiped out. That, the whole family, all of them.

00:22:10:23 – 00:22:36:14
And I say that my dad would joke about that. Imagine if we go down now, all of us, the entire Flavell dynasty dead. Yeah. Is that, You're right, though, that lack of control and just complete faith in a system or an airline or a pilot is is a lot to give over. What pisses me off, right, is how comfortable some people are about falling asleep before takeoff.

00:22:36:16 – 00:22:59:00
Fuck off. Will you wait that I turn around and who are these people? The nerve of some people and not people that, those little cushions around their neck. Like they're going to have a good old, good old sleep. Yeah, they're going to be comfortable when at ease in themselves. Fuck you. You should be with me. And you should be gripping the seat in fear.

00:22:59:00 – 00:23:23:11
Everybody should be terrified on that plane. This shouldn't be anyone. Come on. That, Brian. Everyone should be bricking it. Everyone should be holding hands together. Link fingers interlock in trying to get the. I mean, that's that's fundamentally that's how I feel. That's how I feel when I'm on. I'm on an airplane, especially if I haven't been on one for the year and I get them on like next year.

00:23:23:11 – 00:23:46:10
So we've got to go where we got, we got in Amsterdam in May and that's only it fucks me off, Rick, just because it's going to be lots coming in on this episode of the Pod. Like lots, lots of things I remember. It's good if Joel fucks me off, it's when I get on a plane and it's longer than I thought it was going to be like, oh yeah, yeah, you know, I'm still very my brain, my brain tells me that flights are much shorter than they actually are.

00:23:46:11 – 00:24:04:06
Like, I'm like, I think about a flight to Amsterdam. In my head, I thought, 45 minutes sounds about right. 45 minutes. It's an hour and 20 hour and 21 was ever an hour and 20, I was fuming. I'm annoyed Oli booked it. I was annoyed with Oli because it was longer than I thought it was going to be.

00:24:04:08 – 00:24:21:22
Oh, so will you put you've obviously put the wrong flight. It's the. It used to be 45 minutes. Now apparently if you fly from Bristol it's further in it. Fuck yeah yeah yeah, yeah. So can we drive to Stansted? Let's drive to start. What's the closest one stands? That's closest? The other side of London. Let's drive there.

00:24:21:24 – 00:24:37:23
Takes three hours to drive it. Don't care. I think it was last year I flew up to, Glasgow. I've done that. And I thought, yeah, it's only girls go. It'll fucking be like ten minutes or something like that. Just be. No, it won't be nothing. About time you get up, you've got to come back down. Said no.

00:24:37:23 – 00:24:58:20
Only when we got up there all I could see because it Scotland just gray skies when you get, when you hit Manchester. Gray skies. And I was just sitting there thinking. How can this plane and the pilot see that there's our planes around. No one can see anything. It's just gray clouds everywhere. And it's like every little bump.

00:24:58:20 – 00:25:15:18
I'm like, that's another plane coming. I'm just literally waiting to hear the clap of thunder. And then the plane just rip open. You just. Oh, I know before I want to ask you a question about that in a minute, but what how long was the flight to Glasgow? Because I know exactly what you talking about. A car, I can't remember.

00:25:15:18 – 00:25:43:24
I listened to an ally. Hour and five minutes. What are you talking about? What the fuck? Why is it an hour? Five minutes? It's a it's 2.5 hours to the south of Spain. How can it be an hour and five minutes to Glasgow? Glasgow? How can it be the event? It's always as well that I've been sitting on a plane and I've got, I've downloaded my, my playlist on my podcast, put my headphones in and I know I've got 2.5 hours to get to Spain.

00:25:43:24 – 00:26:08:04
I'm sitting there listening to a bit of it and I'm like, right, okay, brilliant. Okay. Right. How long we got left? How long we got left there? Watch. We've been flying for 20 minutes, is that it? I'm bringing forth the fucking of the full podcast. I've listened to four podcasts I can, it's only been 20 minutes. It's on the flight.

00:26:08:06 – 00:26:36:09
This is ridiculous time. Just stand still when you're up there. If it does, it's horrible. How is it? What is your biggest fear when you're flying the another plane comes out? Is it okay? We'll get to that one as well. Is it taken off? No landing? No. Just just being in the air and knowing that you're on that plane for two, three, four hours.

00:26:36:09 – 00:27:02:18
Yeah. And you can't get up or flying over the sea? No. Or. Oh, yes. Yes, but no, but worse than that, there were, there was there is a there's a tier list with the tier listed. Greatest fears from flight. Yeah. Yeah. Me me me. The air collision that's got here. Yeah. That's that's number one. That's nice. That's number one for sure.

00:27:02:19 – 00:27:28:21
Got to me that collision two aircraft clashing being ripped open and seeing someone else fly out of the gate attached to their seat, fly out of the hole. And then closing that number two. Rick is in that mid-air collision surviving, but in the middle of the ocean. My two greatest, two greatest fears is been in a plane crash and being abandoned in the middle of an ocean.

00:27:28:23 – 00:28:01:24
No one's going to find you apart from shop. Yeah, exactly. I think my. I would love to. I've flown to America twice. I've got I've got a couple of stories that are actually now thinking about it. So I flying to America twice and going over the elastic and just knowing that you're suspended in a plane for, x amount of hours going over the sea is just fucking frightening, man.

00:28:01:24 – 00:28:21:09
It's just it's horrible. Now, I flew to Seattle from for some reason when I, when I took off from Heathrow, we went backwards to Denmark to refuel. And then and then we went back to. And then I went to Seattle. I was just a few years going on. Why can't we just go? Why don't we just go?

00:28:21:09 – 00:28:44:11
What is all this waiting around? What is left? I know, I know where to go. Which left them. Why are we in Denmark? Why? Why? There's always a go, go, go. So I was on this, scan the plane, and it was like a 13 hour flight to Seattle, and I was like, mate, this is all right.

00:28:44:11 – 00:29:02:22
Okay, I'll just go get through it. I have just have it. Just got to get for. And I was midway, I think, flying over and I'd already watched one of the films. It was, Britney Spears film crossroads. I think the opening scene was Britney dancing around in her bra and her bedroom. I was like, this is going to get fucking tasty.

00:29:02:22 – 00:29:25:02
Yeah, the rest of it was absolutely amazing. So wasted my time there. But when I was flicking through the channels it said camera one and camera two. I really thought, what the fuck is that about? So I looked at camera one and the camera was from the nose of the plane, right? Or you could see was gray clouds.

00:29:25:02 – 00:29:52:24
That was it. So I was like, this is fucking it. I clicked on camera two. Yeah. And it was from the bottom of the plane. And you know where I was flying over fucking Greenland and all of that. All I could see was the ice caps and ice and snow everywhere. And then I was like, great. If we go down now, not only look at that, like be stranded in icy waters and you can fucking freeze to death.

00:29:52:24 – 00:30:14:15
Yeah, I was just, Oh, mate, this is not. This is. Why have I done this? Why did I find these cameras what you said? It's funny you said that, right? Because I followed. I was like, what? What is the flight path to get to? I think it was my Mexico or maybe Hawaii or somewhere in America. And it wasn't just straight across the ocean.

00:30:14:15 – 00:30:40:20
It goes up to Greenland and then across, like why? I'm sure there's a logical reason for this. Yeah, but when I fly, can you just go straight across that there is a part of me that is you want a little bit of human land? They will have land. They can get lands maybe. Yeah. If there's a bit, if there's a bit of land, that way we may be able to like to float down and everything would be all right.

00:30:40:22 – 00:31:02:07
Well, just on that, one of our friends is a pilot, isn't he? And, he's actually sent us in some recordings that we'll play at the end of the show. But I remember having a conversation about this, and one of and this did it made me feel a bit better. But a plane can fly perfectly well on an engine like so.

00:31:02:07 – 00:31:24:22
So if we're carrying on that God that that tier list of terrible things airstrike a bird strike on takeoff that's got to be in there somewhere that I forgot about, like, Yeah. So. So someone told me once, if you count to 120, in general, you're going to survive the flight right from takeoff. Well, just to kind of do that every flight.

00:31:24:24 – 00:31:46:07
And when we flew together, you told me the most, the most dangerous part of flying, of taking off is, 15 seconds. Once you go past 15. I was never 15. I was at 120. Is that. Will you be there in 15 seconds? Okay. That's enough. When I get to 16, I'm like, right, rub my hands together. Right.

00:31:46:08 – 00:32:07:02
Safe. Safe. Safe. As I said. Now, you're not. You're not safe as I was at that point. Right? I still would the danger zone. Also, I want to go back to your point of what you were saying, and I want to cut in there because the gentleman who is a captain. An active captain. Yeah, has sent in these words.

00:32:07:04 – 00:32:28:23
There are a lot flaps that there's going to be a recording at the end that's going to answer a lot of your fear of flying question. These are misconceptions. Isn't there a common misconception. So it's it's absolutely great. And you have to listen to it because it will put your mind at ease. But if you just listen to this bit I asked, is it true?

00:32:28:23 – 00:32:55:08
If both engines fail, you won't drop like a stone out of the sky and there's a possibility you could glide down to safety? And he wrote back, yes, wings generate lift, not engines. The aircraft would need to descend, but it won't fool engines create enough speed for the wings to generate lift. They propel the aircraft forward. So if they.

00:32:55:10 – 00:33:19:14
So if they stop the aircraft. Sorry. So if they stopped the aircraft needs to descend to maintain speed, but it doesn't fall out of the sky. So. Yeah. Is that what you're going to say exactly. He was going to he said you can glide for hundreds of miles. So unless you're in the middle of the Atlantic and there is nowhere to glide to, you're probably going to be all right.

00:33:19:14 – 00:33:38:17
I mean, even if because they could glide it down. So these are two blokes who know nothing about this, but imagine, Rick, is that they would. This is what the both of the engines gone. You're over a span. Yeah, right. And you're thinking, shit, tons of airports land there. But if the rain will find a field somewhere and we'll just glide this little beach down there.

00:33:38:20 – 00:33:57:22
Yeah, yeah. All right. Or landing gear down or not. Just land on the belly. Just let it slide out. So that's. I reckon that made me feel a lot more comfortable. But what would make me even more comfortable is two more engines. Just why don't they just look for a. Like, I'll get them. I understand what you're saying.

00:33:57:22 – 00:34:15:20
The the the engines don't lift the plane. The wings lift the plane, I get it, I'm just stick a couple more engines on. Everyone's happy. Yeah. What was the, Well, why don't you put two? Why don't you put two there? Exactly. You know what they'll say? Because it's not a jumbo jet. It's not necessary. Is necessary? It's necessary.

00:34:15:20 – 00:34:39:19
If both of them go out. Okay, you can glide the plane down. No one wants to be glide. No one wants to be on a plane gliding down to the earth. We want another two engines, just in case. There's always. That thing is. Well, when I see on Twitter or any social where one of those kind of little planes where it's only two passenger and they run out of fuel and they land on a motorbike.

00:34:39:23 – 00:35:02:10
Yeah. Not that. Yeah, but if we can go down, just go, go on a motorway. Just go. There's a find them everywhere and they belong anywhere. And, and they say sometimes pilots get congratulated for missing houses. Like, let's just concentrate on the plane for now. Right. And if we, if there are houses but get hit, then so be it.

00:35:02:16 – 00:35:24:20
Then what's it like? How many people are going to be in that house? Two if you have to avoid the houses and crash the plane into the side of a mountain, everyone's dead in that plane, 300 people. Is that if you hit a house? But it's the best place to land. You might kill a couple of people, but everyone on the plane survives, and technically the wings are quite high, so it just hit the roof of the house I don't like.

00:35:24:21 – 00:35:56:00
Yes, go for it. Yes, you're right, you're right. So the game. Can you remember the flights that we've taken together before? Before? Before we do that? Yeah. Rick. You know, you know, when you take off. Yeah. And then you get after about a minute, you feel the plane drop out of the sky. Just go. The engines change. Yeah.

00:35:56:02 – 00:36:21:16
They're right. Yeah, yeah, I hate that. I don't know why they do it. I wish they didn't do it. But I found out the other day what it was. Oh, shit. Really? It's when I'll pilot friends. Going to be impressed with this. When they're taken off, they need to accelerate into the air. Yeah, but once it gets to a point where they don't need to accelerate anymore, they just turn, turn off the acceleration, and then you're flying a normal.

00:36:21:17 – 00:36:37:10
They don't need to they it's like take off acceleration ends. Yeah. And then they're into the flying bit. And that's the difference. That's all you can hear. And you might hear. Yeah. You might hear like a change in the engine is it's not moving as fast as it needs it. It needed to to take off. That's what it is.

00:36:37:12 – 00:36:57:03
One of the things I always say, hey, why don't they say that on that when you buy the ticket? Like when you're buying the ticket from the air company, they should have on it that because everyone's scared of this bit on just on the ticket little no sellotape to it or stapled. After about a minute you're going to feel the plane like it feels like it's falling out.

00:36:57:03 – 00:37:17:13
The sky isn't. That's normal is it? Don't worry about it unless you ask. Unless you're terrified. No one tells you anything. That's my fucking problem with air stewardesses. One of the things I hate is when you take off, you're like, okay, right, we're going to be taking off. We're going up, we're climbing, we're climbing. You can feel the gravitational pull if it gets.

00:37:17:15 – 00:37:37:18
You got those butterflies in the stomach. Okay. We're climbing. We're climbing. Then you just tilt to the left. Oh, mate, it's. They don't fall as well. Why does it so far do a little cheeky what they're doing their little turns and they need to get on course. But it's just that mate is that comes out of nowhere. Just fucking tilt and then that's it.

00:37:37:20 – 00:37:55:22
So it would take two seconds for the captain to go. By the way, we're just about to turn towards fucking, you know, Bulgaria. All right, mate, we got to go. So it will, you know, it will be quite severe. Turn, but, it's perfectly normal. And this is how the plane says never do that. You're just sitting there.

00:37:55:23 – 00:38:15:11
Normal. Completely normal. Something the plane feels like it's about to spiral into the fucking ground. That's a good point. Like they should. They should update us this week. This is what made us in the probably have a little chat. This lack of information there is not enough information is key is you can't have a good relationship without communication.

00:38:15:13 – 00:38:36:01
I want to have a relationship with the process of flying. They need to be a conduit and help me. Do you remember as well? Like another thing that used to it used to help me. Used to break up the flight a bit. Food coming round. You waited. You. It's up. You look like they say. Oh, stupid day.

00:38:36:03 – 00:38:53:14
They've got. They've got the little car and they're rolling it down the aisle. Everyone's getting their food. And then you open it up and you lock them bones or your face. Yeah. We got is an early morning flight, and you got fry up and you got a little spark bow at air. And you look at whoever you thought from if you like it or not.

00:38:53:16 – 00:39:13:17
I'll have your bread rough. Take your time. It takes your mind off it. Yeah. Now, what have we gotta go? Order it. He's too much. I'm not fucking support free like it look like it used to be. Cost a fortune as well. Yeah. It's not, it's not, it's not, it's not a welcome distraction. Neither is it because you have to order it.

00:39:13:17 – 00:39:29:07
So. So you know it's happening. It's not like oh look, it's the people with the car or part of the game could be this passes the time. How fast, how long it takes a car to come to you. You're watching the car go down the line. And what are they ordering? What I got what Pringles have about wrinkles.

00:39:29:09 – 00:39:48:15
They've got panini. Yeah, yeah, that one's got. Yeah. Was it a it's. No I miss now what made me always me feel comfortable when I was coming back when we used to fly. You fly. If you eat Ryanair or Easyjet you choose an Easyjet. Oh what? All day Ryanair was a fucking heap of an airline. He's jet feels better.

00:39:48:15 – 00:40:15:19
But he said it's Heinz tomato sauce. Sorry. Heinz tomato soup on the way back. At least to make me feel a bit the flying. Yeah, it was good. Good luck there. Shit. Gun. What the. So when do we fly together? Prague. Prague? Yeah, definitely for it. Prague. We flew to Brussels. Brussels? One more crossroads in Brussels.

00:40:15:21 – 00:40:43:07
One more. We would have flown to Prague. We're run to Brussels. We would have flown to Madrid. No, Milan. Milan? Yeah, but when we were flying to Prague, I remember it because we didn't fly to Milan, though, did we? We flew to Genoa. Well, I'll get to that. All right? Right. Okay. Hold your horses. All right. When we free to, Prague, and obviously we both got fair fly and both sitting next to each other.

00:40:43:09 – 00:41:08:12
Both take off. And, like, that bit you just mentioned of you taking off. The engines are in kind of thrust mode, and then they cut out what? You just glide your nose down. Whatever you're doing. And that little plane drops that that little bit. We both looked at each other and I grabbed your arm and we just sat there and every little, every little money you we kind of, we we shouldn't have sat together.

00:41:08:12 – 00:41:29:08
No, I was driving your arm. I was like, I feel like, I don't know, I'm scared of you. I just make me feel better. And like it was almost like I had pedals where my seat was. I stamping my feet when we're dropping down, like, I. I just couldn't I couldn't fucking do anything. But, like, it was.

00:41:29:10 – 00:41:49:15
It's horrible. Yeah. So when you're flying with someone that is just as scared as you, just don't worry, because it was a happy occasion. We were flying to Prague to go and watch our football team away in Europe, and we were just drinking and it was all good. But yeah, it's a bit of a nightmare. And then we flew to Milan.

00:41:49:17 – 00:42:12:15
Well, we went to a game in Milan where we actually flew to Genoa, and then we got the train into Milan. But Genoa is on the coast. And the runway was right next to the fucking coast. Yeah. So as the planes coming down got in to say. Yeah, it just felt like we were going in the sea and, and they've, they've misjudged.

00:42:12:17 – 00:42:35:03
They've misjudged it. Look how close we are to the sea. It was we fucking nightmare. I had one this this summer with, with the wife and kids. We actually was. It was for a wedding for African friends on busses. Wedding. It was it. No, no for Leroy. But anyway, we flew over to land in to,

00:42:35:05 – 00:43:01:03
It's important. Remember the airport, because it was a really dodgy landing, and apparently our friend said there's crosswinds going into the airport. I can't remember. It was ballocks, but that was a bad one. And it was right by right on the say, but what happened in this flight? I found myself. And this is going to be hard to articulate in words.

00:43:01:03 – 00:43:23:16
I can show Ricky in person what I did, I would constantly do, and I was bearing in mind I was the only one on the plane doing this is all of a sudden I do this. Rick. For no reason. Look, so the way I get how I could describe that is, you know, when you a baby, you drop a baby.

00:43:23:16 – 00:43:39:09
It has not. You know, if you if you if you can drop a baby, they have a natural instinct to put their arms out to grab the trees as if they were monkeys falling for the trees. Right? Yeah, that was me. As a grown man when nothing was happening in the plane. But my some inside me could sense something.

00:43:39:09 – 00:44:01:13
It changed in the plane and my arms would just shoot out in the air like that. And I looked across at my wife and she'd look at me like, what if I married? It was, I know, I know exactly what you're talking about. It's kind of like, because I dated you. You know, when you, falling asleep, you fallen asleep fast, and you.

00:44:01:15 – 00:44:16:15
And you wake up. Yeah, it's one of the many. It's one of them ones. And. Yeah. You always got. Yeah. Fuck, fuck. Oh, shit. Shit. Yeah, yeah. One of them ones. How do you feel about flying now? Like in your.

00:44:16:17 – 00:44:45:19
Article? I was going to say adulthood, but just being an adult like you had your fear of flying. When you're a kid, you've done a few podcasts about, you know, spoken to pilots about fear of flying, the mechanics of it, having a better understanding of flying. So this is the, like, fantastic. Yeah. Well, yeah. So there are well, I haven't I so I've worked this out when I was,

00:44:45:21 – 00:45:24:06
But you going to, are you going to do like a plane crash statistic. Because I don't want to know. No. You do want to know it because this is really helpful for me. Because it made me. It made me feel, it made me feel much better about flying after I heard it. Okay. Right. But but to answer your question now, in all the things that I know, I've have haven't had done a couple of podcasts with pilots already, and knowing all of the file saves that are involved in flying and how extremely unlikely is that any of us will ever be involved in anything close to a air crash or some sort of

00:45:24:06 – 00:45:41:06
incident? No, because my rational brain takes over and I can't listen to all that shit is bullshit because we're in a tin can in the middle of the air, and there's no reason why that stays up there. I get science, I understand physics, understand pressure going up and down in the wings. It keeps you up there. Bullshit is when you're up there.

00:45:41:12 – 00:46:02:06
You're 37 there. There are ten feet below your feet, right? And below that 37,000ft. I don't give a shit about air pressure. Don't want to know about it. I don't want to know. It doesn't help me just say it's magic. And this is the only magic that exists on Earth is real. And it's all going to be fine.

00:46:02:08 – 00:46:21:14
Yeah. The bit where I get on the plane and I'm walking down the aisle, I'm like, right, 25 a 25, a 25, 25. Oh, great. I'm on the wing. I'm going, why am I always on the wing? All you hear is, I know the little flaps are going up and down. I'm just like, Jesus Christ. Like, why?

00:46:21:15 – 00:46:48:21
Like why is this happening to me? But yeah, like you said, I've done a lot of I wouldn't say a lot of research because I don't want to go down too far into the rabbit hole flying. Listen to pilot podcasts, listen to you. Have you listen to it? Yeah, yeah I have, yeah. And I completely get it. I'm sitting here in my little working from home office and I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.

00:46:48:23 – 00:47:20:10
Makes perfect sense. See it on a plane. And it's just back to fucking ground zero. And it's and just that fear is deep within me. Have you ever thought about going and seeking help, as in getting hypnotize the CBT counseling? I think I've even seen I think Easyjet do courses on the understanding of how a plane works and the fear of flying and getting over it.

00:47:20:10 – 00:47:45:21
And I think some other airlines do it too. I think if if it would stop me from doing what I want to do or prevent my family from going and experiencing things, then I would just do it. You grin and bear it, right? And actually what I've found is if you speak to the doctors, then know if this is a hack that I should tell people about, but I will like I don't know if you ever take diazepam.

00:47:45:23 – 00:48:06:03
I was literally about to come on to that. Well, I said, it's a hack that you shared with me. So so so no, I wouldn't get it. But it's good that that that exists because it's important people see the world. Right. But better hack is calling their doctors and gone. It's really bad, I guess. I'm so afraid of flying and my kids just want to go on holiday.

00:48:06:05 – 00:48:34:00
And my wife, they deserve it. But I'm terrified. He's 20. Diazepam. Brilliant. Thank you very much. This is amazing. Now, I don't care about anything that I'm just. Quick, quick, quick. Remember, Rick, the best flight I've had was when I went to Glasgow and I didn't realize I had a couple of pills on me, and I'm like, oh Lord, I'm not.

00:48:34:00 – 00:49:01:06
I can't take I don't want to take these through. Like, I don't want to go through customs and all that shit for these, well, party pills were like, yeah, ecstasy. Oh shit. I was like, oh, bottom. Well, he did that before your flight. Yeah, before my flight. I bust him and, Well, I did one and I got another one, and I thought, well, one I'll be able to get through like a bus.

00:49:01:07 – 00:49:23:17
Just crack it, break it up in bits and put it in my pocket. Then I'm going to see it. So I was like, for greater in the airport, I so fantastic. And my flight get pushed back, push back, push back to we were the last flight to leave Glasgow to leave Bristol airport to go up to Glasgow.

00:49:23:17 – 00:49:47:12
Last flight to leave the airport and it was shutting down for the like. We were like, it's not going to happen, it's not happening. But I was I feel really good about this situation. Don't know about you. Look. And obviously kids top it up. And I was topping up with quarters like just felt really good, mate. I, I don't remember anything feeling anything about the flight when I went up there, went down.

00:49:47:12 – 00:50:04:23
I don't remember a great deal about it, to be honest. I lived in Glasgow, met my mates at a night out on a Tam, fucking Irvine. That is something that I would never, ever consider. Just give me the icy palm and that's it. Be done with what? Why wouldn't you consider that I'm a. This is. That's not advice, by the way.

00:50:04:23 – 00:50:26:17
Don't start taking ecstasy. Just get free flight. I just happened to have some on me. I don't really remember where I got it from, because it would be sensory overload. And I need to kind of be on an even keel, so I would that is, that is something I would never consider, just ones that chill me out and I'm fine.

00:50:26:19 – 00:51:03:12
Before we go onto a submission for the fear of flying. Well, no, hang on a minute, Rick. Okay, I've got 20, 24 million. No, hang on. There were in 2019, there were 38, 38.9 million global flights, 38.9 million. There were in that year 26 plane crashes. And and and bear in mind, these weren't commercial plane crashes like people.

00:51:03:14 – 00:51:17:18
Us flying on holiday. Right. Some of those were like those little shitty biplanes for for God knows reason what people get into. But I go up there and then they crash. So in 38.9 million.

00:51:17:20 – 00:51:38:19
We have absolutely nothing to worry about. Zero. That's a lot of flights in a well that was in before the pandemic. It dropped considerably apparently, but still loads still. Yeah that's fucking did that somebody feel better? It does, it does. But what if you were in that 26 number. Yeah. That's the way my mind goes I'm sorry. Sorry.

00:51:38:23 – 00:52:03:15
So in 2023 we're up to 34.4 now. I don't get it. I'm with you, Rick. There's nothing, having that information doesn't make me absolutely shit myself. When I get there. That is mad. What I've said earlier. So we we have a we have a an alive working captain, and he's done some amazing voice recordings of the common misconceptions of flying.

00:52:03:21 – 00:52:36:22
Listen to that. It'll make you feel a hell of a lot better. And we've put them at the end of the podcast because honestly, just wait until the end. It is brilliant. So hold on, get to the end. Abolition. Now, this person sent in their submission of fear flying love that you're all talking about this. I'm in the States and I travel for work quite a bit, and I've learned travel for work is much a different phrase in the States, as is other parts of the world.

00:52:36:24 – 00:53:01:14
For example, I live in Michigan, Midwest region. For work, my team covers the West coast. This means I'm traveling to L.A., San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, and Alaska. The plane plane ride from it. I don't know if you call it a plane ride. Yeah. That's ridiculous. That's you can't some of the realizing it. Yeah. So we can kill 300 people just like that.

00:53:01:16 – 00:53:30:10
A plane ride. That's a bus ride? Yeah, a riding a bicycle. A bit different than what? Flying a terror machine. Okay, so he's in the air for a combined six hours when he's traveling to these places. When I have a fear of flying. So I've just been swallowing this the past two and a half years. I had my first panic attack in 2022, mid-flight, mid-flight from Minneapolis to Seattle.

00:53:30:12 – 00:53:55:01
I didn't know what was happening at the time, just a horrible experience that was terrifying. Flash forward to 2024. I see a therapist regularly and work through my fear of flying with him. He's helped me realize that the massive geography that I'm covering isn't normal, and it's okay for me to have anxiety around going a quarter of the way around the globe every month.

00:53:55:03 – 00:54:18:10
He's helped me to put in perspective that air travel is a choice and economically efficient choice at times, but that it's okay to be uncomfortable with things that we don't understand. I used to message my buddy, who is an aerospace engineer, every time before I flew, confirm that planes work on the physics. Check out the laugh out loud.

00:54:18:10 – 00:54:49:03
You know, it showed me I don't have a ground point. Just I travel a hell of a lot and long distance, and I'm working my way through my anxiety around flying. My best practices are to cut out caffeine and alcohol and eat very clean. Three days prior to flying. This has significantly helped my flying anxiety, a contrast to when I used to try and have a few drinks at the airport before the flight to cut out the nerves.

00:54:49:05 – 00:55:17:11
So again, another fellow anxiety flier. But flying for your job, man. Fuck you now, I couldn't do that. Not if my job was to plane hop on the rigs, I just nah, I couldn't, I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. My well and I'm not. This is going to sound like a namedrop disease is right. But, so I someone who, is a big part of Fred Higgins outfit.

00:55:17:13 – 00:55:36:22
Tom like Tony. Yeah, yeah, he listens to the flying podcast. He hooks us up with some tickets and stuff in the summer. I'm pretty sure you'll be listening to this because he said, I'm in a plane every day and I'm flying every day right now. Big Fred again is is. Yep. Unless they choose not to gig, they've got a gig every night.

00:55:36:24 – 00:55:52:13
And I just listening to him like last year and talking about how many planes he's got to get now when we were in Manchester and then we're in Munich. I mean, all these and I'm like in my head I'm like, Panofsky, I'm here.

00:55:52:15 – 00:56:09:00
Right, guy? Yeah, I get it. You got to be around. But it is a lot of bloody flying. Yeah, but the statistics tell you that it's not risky. You could get on a plane and spend your life on a plane. The chances of you going down, it's, almost minimal. Not even worth even thinking about. But he's trying.

00:56:09:00 – 00:56:35:08
Bloody risky gain, Eric. Yeah, there's too much, too much flying. So much flying. I couldn't I couldn't do a tour bus. Tour bus. Not saying. Oh yeah. Isn't more safer though, is it? Statistically it's not. No, but I'd much rather to crash into a rock on the ground and crashed into a rock from a plane. I'd crash into ten rocks in a tour bus than the one rock from a plane.

00:56:38:00 – 00:57:12:24
Right. Next week. Do you know what the topic is for next week? What is it? Just a simple one word happiness. Okay. Happiness. What makes you happy? What makes you unhappy? What you can be talking about the general ness of life and what brings you happiness. So I will crack on with that next week. But for your good deed of the day, as you're listening to this, go on to Spotify, go on to Apple Search lads.

00:57:12:24 – 00:57:37:16
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00:57:37:16 – 00:58:08:03
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00:58:08:04 – 00:58:30:06
Or you know, salty sea dog these are, these are the titles of the different dilemmas and things I do, you know. Oh I wonder what you was doing then. So. So I see so the names of the dilemmas and the. Can you go through them again now that I know that because I was, I was confused. Sorry. So the dilemmas.

00:58:30:06 – 00:58:49:15
Yeah. Come to think of it, maybe not comes it maybe not is the first time. Yep. And best time to break up. Yeah. And then things only you know. Yeah. So salty sea dog.

00:58:49:17 – 00:59:26:07
And I'm a hetero male. However. Yeah. However. Yeah, he's a, you know what's come in the however. All right. Beautiful. We're going to go suck jobs. And he sucked jobs. Maybe I don't know. Who knows, maybe, mate, maybe. Maybe. So we're going to go straight into you. Come to think of it, maybe not. One day, not long after my son was born, and having gone some time with no sex, I was feeling horned up out of respect for my wife, who was still recovering from the birth, so obviously not feeling up to anything.

00:59:26:09 – 00:59:48:20
I decided to tug one off in the shower fight so I forgot. I have a respect for my wife, you know? But I went to visit a prostitute because I said, all right, we're talk in the shower and they started off okay. But when I got close to climaxing, I was suddenly overwhelmed by the most searing, excruciating pain in my head.

00:59:48:22 – 01:00:16:09
I felt like my skull was ripping itself in two. I was left debilitated, squatting in the shower, fully erect, with my head in my hands, trying not to scream in agony. My wife would no doubt I've come rushing in and found me in that pitiful state. In the days and weeks after, I was unable to pleasure myself, as every time I tried, the pain would start to build, accompanied by some moderate nausea.

01:00:16:11 – 01:00:38:01
Am I alone? Has this ever happened to anyone? Should I go to the doctors? Do I power through? So it's. You're not alone. It's really common. And I've had it. You fucking lied. I've had it. I had it in my teens and it's sporadically. I've had it in adulthood and it's really. And it's mine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's much more common than you think.

01:00:38:01 – 01:01:04:09
It's it's typing, masturbation, headache or sexually exertion headache. You can get it during sex as well. And what it is is if it's the blood, the blood vessels swelling in the brain because you actually you actually know, you might say, I've gone, oh, oh, I remember seeing that X at Spurs. It's the same. Yeah, yeah.

01:01:04:11 – 01:01:23:00
The same thing. Right. Fuck. I never knew that. I didn't know that was a thing. So it also. Yeah I'm conversation in the group with Alex in Bristol. He's had it before as well. It's. Yeah there's there's the lightning bum now. That's it. That's different. Like lighting up your ass. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. Yeah.

01:01:23:02 – 01:01:51:12
And I didn't know about that. You didn't have to know about that. I didn't know about ejaculation headaches ever. Well, they know they're not even just ejaculation. It can be just the act of having a tug or sex. Having sex. It's basically about the blood vessels. And typically it's like things like, if you haven't slept well enough or if you haven't enough water or you've maintained that sort of unhealthy lifestyle, the fact that you've got a new kid means he probably isn't sleeping so it can kick in.

01:01:51:12 – 01:02:11:23
It's nothing serious, though. It goes it, because that's good in my experiences. And it's weird though you can say that I can feel the pain is intensely distinct. This is that horrendous feeling. You feel like you're having an aneurysm in the back of your head, and you do feel sick. And so you basically you got to be off.

01:02:12:00 – 01:02:31:03
Yeah. Ejaculation for a few weeks. Right. Okay. So don't go to the doctor maybe. No, not. No power. First I will go to the doctor. I don't say don't go back in case. Do something else. But yeah, but yeah, yeah. It's not it's not the end of the world. What it should do. You Google this I have.

01:02:31:03 – 01:02:55:15
No, I didn't go. No, no. My man who's said okay, right. Okay. Hold on. Maybe, I know, right. I'll read you a bit from the medical, medical news today. Please stay. An orgasm. Orgasm headache is a primary headache. A primary headache is a condition itself, not a symptom of another issue. So don't worry. You've got brain cancer.

01:02:55:17 – 01:03:18:17
A person may experience an orgasm headache just before or during sexual climax. These headaches can happen during masturbation or partnered sex. Orgasm headaches are one of two types of primary sex headaches. The other type is sexual benign headache, which doctors call a pre orgasm headache. People typically experience orgasm headaches just as they just just before during orgasm.

01:03:18:17 – 01:03:42:09
The pain may feel explosive intense from in an orgasm. Headache may be painful around or behind the eye area. Mom is always in the back of the head. The condition can often cause pain on both sides of the head. Moving around may make the pain worse. Yes, moving your head afterwards was the night I, they last several hours or even several days.

01:03:42:09 – 01:04:07:24
Mine would stop anyway. The result from blood vessels swelling in the brain. That's. That's also sounds like he's not been tugging one out. Really? And I'd say I'd say maybe, you know, if you're if your wife is feeling not up to it, then the worst thing you can do is force yourself on, not force yourself. But like the idea of I'd never want to have sex unless the other person wants to have sex with me.

01:04:08:00 – 01:04:26:03
Oh, yeah. Jesus. Yeah, you wouldn't want to do that. So it's fine if you want to. Just in the shower, talk. When I have been, then it's healthy. Fine. Maybe you've been. You've had put both building up for so long that your your brain has gone on there or just let nature take its course. Go sleep one night.

01:04:26:05 – 01:04:49:11
Treat yourself to a little sexy drink. I see what I'm saying I've had in mind since we started. Not mind these. Are you have any, any any playoffs? No, no, no, I thought I was close, last week because there wasn't an opportune time to bleed the radiator. So why me? And the days would take you by, and I was just like, fuck, man, I need I need some space.

01:04:49:13 – 01:05:18:11
And I just knew it was going to. I was going to blow a gasket in my in my, in my sleep. But luckily, the opportune time came and I was able to, expel the poison. So it was good. We're going to go on to the next dilemma. Best time to break up. I'm considering breaking up with my partner of four years as the sparks go on, and despite both our efforts, it doesn't feel like it'll ever come back.

01:05:18:13 – 01:05:39:02
She goes on a two week holiday with her family in two weeks time. Should I end things before she goes away? Potentially spoiling her holiday due to the break up? Should I wait until she's back to do it, allowing her to have a nice time with her family without the news of a break up being fresh in her memory?

01:05:39:04 – 01:05:58:09
Probably worth, you know, in this. Well, we live together and have two dogs while she's away. I'm supposed to be looking after the dogs. I'm going to kill the dogs. He's going to kill the dogs. This might not be easy. If we split up and I've moved out of the house. I'd like to be moving back in with my parents who own cats.

01:05:58:11 – 01:06:24:13
And so the dogs couldn't come to stay there for two weeks because they've been gobbled up. So basically, do I break up with the missus of four years before her family holiday or do it after I'm gone? They've got the added spice in the mix that they own two dogs together. I think the house before the holiday drown the dogs.

01:06:24:15 – 01:06:47:14
That's what I think. And then. And then ruin a holiday. Kill the dogs? Yeah. Dump her. Kill the dogs. Right. Distraction technique. It's like she's thinking about the dogs. Even though you've broken up with. Why did you kill the dogs? Cats? And why? I can't fucking bring the dogs and the cats together. Be crazy. I had to drown the dogs.

01:06:47:16 – 01:07:09:00
Okay? I don't love you anymore. I have to drive the dogs. There's never a good time to break up with someone. Or. And it sounds like she's in to ending it as well, but it sounds like what you've just said. You both tried. It's not working. This isn't a lesson to people buying dogs, isn't it? Dogs are for life.

01:07:09:00 – 01:07:35:05
Not just for the for your relationships. That's right. Do you think if if he broke up with her before, it would give her some head space on holiday? Yeah, she might be able to get a dick on holiday. I was thinking she might be slinging back some, Marguerite is an. Yeah, boy. See? Yeah. Pedro. Pedro! Oh my God.

01:07:35:07 – 01:07:53:13
Yeah. Pedro is going to give it that good dig. Yeah, exactly. Let her enjoy herself. Those long strokes from the back. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. Not doing long strokes at the back after four years. Pedro, the T-shirt. Yeah, like a,

01:07:53:15 – 01:08:16:16
That not because if she comes back after. Oh, I've had a lot in all day. Look at my tan lines, blah, blah, blah. By the way, you dumb. But I'm great. And heads up. Yeah. Lovely. I think maybe float the idea before she goes. I just told you and said, yeah, you're right, Rick, just say this isn't working.

01:08:16:16 – 01:08:36:15
We know it's not working. Like, go and have a great holiday. Go meet Pedro, get a duke, and then, and then we'll we'll revisit when you get home. Yeah, that's that's what I think. Yeah. Yeah, that's good advice, right? Things only you know.

01:08:36:17 – 01:08:43:17
Dumb thing. You know.

01:08:43:19 – 01:09:04:02
This is a short one. Yeah, called Salty Sea Dog. So that's like something you would say. Rick, is this you, all all of these titles every single week is. I've made them up. Oh, you've made them up. All right. Right. Sorry, sorry, I forgot something. I was going to say. That sounds exactly like something you would say, right?

01:09:04:02 – 01:09:31:22
Fair enough. I understand. I was once, I was once servicing my lady with my tag when I pushed the come button a bit too early and busted my beans. My missus didn't realize and was also nowhere near finishing. So I decided to go down on her. Found myself giving licks, but also pretty much eating my own cum until she finished.

01:09:31:24 – 01:09:58:08
That's it. I mean, I think I'm I, I'm going to lay my cards on the table here. I'll be brutally honest. I've, I've never tasted manages no, I don't think that you made that sound like it was like, oh, I think a lot of men have. Oh, let us know. Let us know what other people or other people is just let us know next week.

01:09:58:14 – 01:10:17:16
Understand if you've tasted your own days. I don't I'm just saying, Rick, what you said that was like it was like. It's weird, isn't it, that I haven't tasted my own jizz. It's like the conversation I keep bringing up. Like I'm weird in our friendship group for not have stuck, stuck a finger up my own ass. I'm the weird one for that.

01:10:17:16 – 01:10:25:18
Apparently that was that was the same sort of energy that you just brought. Brought.

01:10:25:20 – 01:10:55:05
I'd like to kind of, say that I tried in my teens because there was a, there was a, a phenomenon going round. It's called a turbo wank. A gentleman would stick a finger up there off an massage the prostate gland whilst having a wank. And it would be the most amazing time ever. Fireworks I could never I couldn't put it up there, just wouldn't got there.

01:10:55:07 – 01:11:18:08
So I got off. I think you got to persevere. Yeah, I know I, I make maybe I panic. So a lot of work. My mum's in the house. Someone well I'm upstairs fingering myself. I got my finger jammed in a hull. Shit, man. Yeah, but I've yet. And I've never ventured into that. To that kind of into those seas as an adult.

01:11:18:08 – 01:11:46:13
It's the worry would be that it was. It does feel so good that the only way you can do it. Yeah, I rigmarole. Yeah. I kind of got addicted to the I mean, this is, Are you sure? I really shouldn't have started this sentence, but, back when, when I was younger, the addiction to getting how I was making weight and ejaculating was, just insane.

01:11:46:17 – 01:12:07:18
That's normal. That's normal? Yeah. Drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they go hand in hand. It was like, I have a little spliff, dog. And then they take longer than, I can't remember at today, but I just remember it was like not having a normal wank and then having one while you're hot. Yeah, just like, just go for the high one.

01:12:07:18 – 01:12:35:17
Yeah. You know, I've got choice between to take over the high one. I pay for the high. But you in the fortunate. Most stoned most of the time. Just because I wanted to wank, you know. So if I. They, you and you're you're the fortunate few that can just do minds all the time. Yeah, yeah. Mind makes up porn minds.

01:12:35:23 – 01:12:59:21
Yeah. Like, just think. Think of whatever I could think of plants if I wanted to say. It's just a fiend. Yeah, I am a face. Speaking of a fiend. Yeah, I'm a hetero male. However. There is one thing only I know. And to be honest, it would be good to get it out there to see what other people think.

01:13:00:01 – 01:13:31:07
It's. I've carried it around for 20 years. I'm a hitcher. Male. I'd always love the ladies. I'm quite a sexual bloke who is in love. Nothing better than enjoying all of a woman. However, there was an incident that occurred that, hi to an incident had that I had to hide from my mates, family and myself. In my early 20s, I used to drink in a pub and the landlord would also serve up.

01:13:31:09 – 01:13:57:23
It was a convenient relationship. I got mostly free drugs and just had to go along with his throwaway comments about how he'd like to let me piss all over him in the early morning. And other than naughty suggested perversions, harmless fun. So I thought. And an act the innocent to his obvious older man with the young lad fancy to get the free drugs.

01:13:58:00 – 01:14:23:08
One night after a massive sesh, I stopped in on my way, back from the tube from another bar, and he was there. He asked if I wanted a line. Of course I said yes, and ten followed, one fully charged. He must have seen his window of opportunity and asked if I wanted to piss in his mouth. I was desperate for a slash.

01:14:23:10 – 01:14:47:11
Three sheets to the wind, and it seems like a fair trade for the bag. We just burnt through. So he got on his knees and I let out, let out in his mouth. However, he didn't stop there and then proceeded to ram my cock into his mouth faster, telling me to fuck his mouth. I fucked his mouth. Fucking out.

01:14:47:13 – 01:15:13:20
But I couldn't come because of all the gear. And although although he was good, although he's good at the stubble, wasn't helping. Was this wrong to do? And should I have felt this much shame from from this experience? Well, should I just write off to as a as a high jinks and as I didn't shoot my load, it doesn't really count anyway, from anonymous hetero male.

01:15:13:22 – 01:15:37:17
So I don't have any advice. What do you want me to say? That he's he's. There is no advice to give. There's nothing wrong with it. It's fine. Like, I mean, like pissing in someone's mouth. You, you. I think you knew by getting the free gear that what was going on right? So. And the suggestive like there was undertones in you made it clear that you wanted you to piss on him.

01:15:37:23 – 01:16:00:02
You knew going in that he's got gear and you'd probably have to piss on him. And so up and he had to give you to give yourself the game. It's nothing to forgive him. It's just just something happened there. Just. Yeah, just. Just the drugs. The drugs decisions in the night. Yeah. They make you these city things. They make these city things.

01:16:00:04 – 01:16:17:04
So don't be ashamed about it. But I wouldn't be, like going around the pub and telling everyone about it, but. But that's what the something you're under you knows about, right? You can share whatever you want. Can you publish it to thousands of people? Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. And then we wait for to to what they say as well.

01:16:17:06 – 01:16:48:06
So if you have any more things only you know, any dilemmas that you need us to answer, send them in lads. Anon pod at gmail.com and we will get everything answered for you. Now you are going to hear oh I've got the outro ready. Something? You know.

01:16:48:08 – 01:17:13:20
There you go. Got a poem? Got a flat out. Oh, probably out by now. You were going to hear from our, captain, captain, pilot friend who is going to come over to answer your misconceptions of flying and next week's pod. The topic is happiness. So if you want to send anything in again, send in. Now. Take it away, Mr. Pilot.

01:17:13:20 – 01:17:40:00
Man. Hello, mate. Sorry for doing this by voice note. I know that means you can't refer to it, but I'm doing some laundry and if I don't sort it there, my wife is going to get home and stab me to death. I've had to think about it. So. Myths. Misconceptions. One that springs to mind is that, you know, when you're flying and you see an aircraft fly past like overall below you like really close.

01:17:40:02 – 01:18:01:13
And people always go, oh man, that was like a close call. Like passengers report it to us all the time. We nearly hit another aircraft. We didn't. The first of all, your eyes and your brain, all of our eyes and brains aren't evolved to cope with the closing speeds and distances, at that height and at those speeds.

01:18:01:13 – 01:18:24:12
So you cannot judge how close it is. The closest it could possibly be is 1000ft above or below you. When you're up above, 29,000ft are in what's called reduced vertical separation minima. Normally there's a separation of 2000ft between aircraft up there. It's it's 1000ft. So as much as it might look like it's really close, it's 1000ft, which is a lot.

01:18:24:12 – 01:18:50:13
You know, another one is we've got to autopilot itself. People seem to think that. Oh, I've always thought the autopilot is much cleverer than it is. Like people have assumed. It's like a robot with, you know, as intelligent as AI is only just becoming now, people think autopilot has always been able to do it. It doesn't. It is essentially cruise control.

01:18:50:15 – 01:19:24:13
You tell it what heading, what altitude you want it to fly, or what waypoint you want it to fly to, and it will do that. But it doesn't make decisions. It will fly you right through a thunderstorm. It it doesn't think, it doesn't judge stuff. So it's very much still with the pilots controlling it. The reason that we rely on it is because in thin air, you know, a much higher altitude autopilot is able to keep the aircraft straight and level far better than I would, or any of us would be able to.

01:19:24:15 – 01:19:52:23
That's why you, aircraft above a certain altitude. Again, 29,000ft have to have the autopilot switched on. Another one is our landings. So people tend to think that every landing is supposed to be silky smooth. And while if there's no reason not to, that is, that's the case, there are times where actually a firmer landing would be more desirable.

01:19:52:23 – 01:20:18:18
So, for example, in a strong crosswind on a wet runway, or on a very short runway, you would want a firmer touchdown because you will lose more energy, and to more speed, quicker. So the aircraft will be able to stop quicker. If you're trying to grease it down onto the runway in a very strong crosswind, that's more time that the aircraft isn't in contact with the ground.

01:20:18:18 – 01:20:41:02
It's more time to be blown off and away from the runway. So sometimes it seems like the pilot is slammed in. It's actually because he may have a fairly or she may have a fairly good reason to. Oh, another one you might have seen, some of the footage or photos of people putting what appears to be, like gaffer tape onto the wing.

01:20:41:04 – 01:21:06:01
The engineers do now. It doesn't look great. It's not gaffer type, it's something called speed tape. It's very, very strong. It's actually made of metal and it's to, basically it's not used for critical repairs. It's to tide things over until it can be sorted properly. So as much as it looks a bit of a bodge job, it's just, sort of an extra layer on top of repairs, which have already happened before.

01:21:06:01 – 01:21:32:22
Sort of more general maintenance takes place. Oh, and one which you might think, could be a misconception, but which is actually true. The pilots genuinely don't eat the same meals to avoid, obviously, food poisoning and incapacitation. There you go, Rick. Lovely. The metal type thing is nonsense. Oh, there's a gaffer tape on the wing. Otherwise it's made of metal.

01:21:32:22 – 01:21:40:17
Whatever, mate. Yeah, fuck that mate, fuck that. I'm. Fuck you. Fuck you up a lot.