#89 | Punishment | We Can’t Believe People Were Punished Like This!

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321 go. So I had, an incident I got my last 48 hours have been, interesting. Indeed. And, yeah, I, I don't know what happened, really. So we went to the the the social to watch the Tottenham game. And I was in London, had a few beers. I was, very jubilant and rushing off adrenaline.

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Very tired. Late train home and on the train home. Oh, this is about half 11, 12 at night I the train was packed because it was like one of the last trains I was sitting down. Thankfully, I started like, like pranking out. And I was like, I could feel myself almost going into like a panic mode, like a panic attack type thing.

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And as I was doing that, I saw, I need to get myself out of this in not environment that I'm in, but in this headspace because I'm fucking going under. And I could feel myself going under. So I stood up in my seat to try and wake myself up. But as I did that, I looked at the lights in the train and they were really bright.

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Then everything went into soft focus. Then everything went really pixelated. Then the next moment I woke up slumped in my train seat, absolutely soaking wet with sweat, and loads of people had got off the train and dispersed from the train. So, I'd passed out. I it and then nobody had seen me or they had seen me or I take know what the fuck?

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And then they'd go on about their day. And luckily this had happened a few stops before I was due to get off, but I was, I totally asked. No one freaked out, did no one? Oh, there was a lady? No, there was a lady sitting next to me. And literally. But this is such an embarrassing ordeal to go through because, what was happening?

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You know, when you get the, it like it was akin to dropping a pill, like heart racing and the the heat and the profusely sweating, pouring down my face. I was like, oh my God, why am I feeling these sensations which made me go further into a spiral, like I haven't done anything like that. So why am I feeling this like this?

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This is so unnatural for me to be in this situation. And I was so like, oh fuck, what am I going to do? I was literally seconds away from tapping the lady on the shoulder, sitting next to me to say, I need medical assistance now I am, there's something happening. I don't know what it is, but before I could kind of do that, and out of shame and embarrassment of doing that, I fucking stacked it passed out anyway.

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So hang on, you felt that way before you. Before you passed out. You think? Yeah, yeah. Ask right? Yeah yeah, yeah. And then before that I, And then after that I got off the train. I was so, like, soaking wet head to toe in sweat and then walked home. Tell my missus about it when I got in and it was just a bit of one of those weird kind of because you'd kind of come together at that point.

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Yeah, exactly. And then in the morning, I miss it. The goodness and this week, one of the, one of the goodness said that one of the dads from the the school, you know, the ones that do the, you know, the, the kid drop off and stuff like that, say, eight years old, heart attack out of nowhere, brown bread.

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Oh, goodness. I see so so that but that was there. So straight away. That was a week before actually. So Oh was that in your mind. That's it. All right. That is it. So the, the seed I believe may have been planted from that. And because we know about my, health anxieties that I do spiral my kid out with that.

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That's what it is. I'm just I'm just. No, no, I'm just too scared of dying. That's so it's. Yeah, but I've been. It's. You kind of think the worst that you. When, when when you're. Yeah. No I didn't hypochondria. Is that when you think you're ill all the time that there's something wrong with me all the time. No, that's not well.

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No hypochondria. I mean, yeah, you can have something wrong with you. It's just you escalating it to the point where you're dying, right? Yeah. That, that. Yeah. So if you like. Yeah. If you felt like you had use, had heart problems, you'd gone to that when reasonably if you look at there probably is a lot of other things.

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But I mean I think most people do it as well, to be honest, that, you know, you do you do naturally think, fuck, what if this is the worst? Then you'll my mind will fixate on it. I don't you're not alone. There's tons and tons of people who feel that way. Yeah, and then so I was having this conversation in the WhatsApp group.

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They said you should ring a doctor. And I was like, yeah, maybe I should. So I rang the doctor. GP said, we've got no appointments. Ring 111. And that is a kind of a telephone service, not emergency. You have in the UK. Yeah, not that's not an emergency. They did a telephone assessment. They said we've booked you, an appointment within the hour as an emergency appointment for the walking center in the hospital.

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So I went there. Did they practice that? With that said, it probably might not be a problem, but we need no no no no no no they didn't. They said, we don't we don't know. And that doesn't sound normal. That could be a problem. So I go there quickly and I say brilliant, lovely. But because of the, you know, the stomach issues I've had previously and we've chatted about on this pub before, I was a bit more, now I don't think there is a problem.

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I just think something has happened and I feel kind of. All right. And then, I remembered when I was walking to the station yesterday before this happened. So this was at 2:00, and I had the episode at 12 at night. But when I was walking to the station and I was getting my ticket, my my right arm was numb.

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And my right hand just numb and like, tingly. So that's fucking weird. But I was just like I need to get on the train and get a beer and go meet you. So that's all I was thinking about. But then when you thinking about did I have a heart problem then. And then I've got pins and needles in my arm and then all this other stuff I'd start to think fuck was if I had a an incident.

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But I went to the hospital, got EKGs, blood tests, all of that, and they've all come back and said, you know, there was no cardiac issue, your heart's working fine, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They said it's probably what you've just described and they or the environment I was in, it's, it's a panic attack and I've just passed out from it, which has never happened before.

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I've never found it in my life, ever. That's not true. And it's really well that I remember we were there, I was there. What do you think I was like in Upper Street? Yeah, but I don't remember that. I mean, you know, it happened just because you don't remember it. I had to fucking physically get you home. And you was like, slumped.

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I still don't think that happened. They did 109. I've watched you happen and then like to deal with the aftermath of it. So it actually fucking happened really? No, no. But panic attacks are like massive, right? You can have they can have a you can have a.

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What they what anxiety and what panic can do to you is it's so extreme that you feel you would feel like you might be having a heart attack. And that I genuinely think because you had it could be say what you did. Yeah. Yeah. You had a little porno spliff, didn't you? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I yeah, I had one toke on, on a spliff.

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Yeah, yeah. And that night. Yeah. And then previously you've, you've attached, you've attached your weed use in it, you know, back way when to your anxiety. 100%. So there was when you said we were having this discussion yesterday and you said this to me hadn't even occurred to me. I hadn't put two and two together.

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And the more I sat there and thought about it, I was like, that motherfucker is fucking right. And, I think I, I do think the threat you were pulling on there, I'm almost certain you are, right. Yeah. So you know exactly what would happen when I the last kind of days of when I used to smoke weed and I used to just spin out all the time.

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Yeah. So obviously, like, with anxiety and panic attacks, they come. They exist in the subconscious, not in the. They don't exist in the logical part of the brain. Right. Because panic when you're when there's nothing to be scared of is, really confusing. I what am I worrying about? What am I anxious about? There's nothing around me. And it comes from a pre defined build where you have to escape a dangerous situation.

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And it comes from that kind of that, that time where that was necessary to stay alive, like being chased by a sabertooth tiger, for example, is important that adrenaline rushes a body at that point, or you're lost at sea or whatever it is to keep you alive a bit longer. But when you're on a train on the way home after watching Spurs play, that's not when you want to panic, right?

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So but your brain would be doing it and and an anxiety attack. So what if it exists in the subconscious and so does your relationship with weed. And that impact that I think would have made you spin out, combined with the stuff that you'd had a really kind of a lot of a lot. It was a busy day, along with the emotional roller coaster, watching Spurs get to the final of the Europa League, being drunk, being in a hot train, surrounded by people.

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It's almost like when you think about it now that they've said it is an anxiety attack course. Yeah. And that obviously that the, the you know, podcast social of like 200 people being there and a lot of them know, you know, who kind of hate who I am. Yeah. Who you are so stressful. It's a very stressful, odd situation to be in.

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And especially when the football was going on, binge drinking and hot, sweaty rum and all of that stuff. And another thing that really plays on my mind, I hadn't quite, thought about is I really do panic now about sleep, falling asleep on a train and missing my start because I have uncles. I'm. Yeah, I'm constantly in this, mind of, like, falling asleep and waking up really quickly.

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I'm like, fuck, where am I? Where am I that panic? And then doing that 3 or 4 times on a late train when I've had booze. So now putting all the pieces together. Yeah, I, I absolutely do think I've had a panic attack and I fainted and that's what's happened. But it is fucking. It is scary, man. It is very, very scary.

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I'm sorry you went through that, Rick. It was all yours. I think I went there again.

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The night I see, like, Band of Brothers playing Jones High as quite the midnight waves. Surfing through till daylight breaks with them. Hit us different ways. Love the music that we played with our tongues in cheek. Band I, we like to speak and yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Brothers.

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Hello and welcome to anonymous. It's episode 89. I'm Ricky, he's Flav, two best mates. One main topic. We answer your life dilemmas in confessions. And I feature something only you know. So sit back, relax and enjoy the pod. What I do want to say about that, How? Incident yesterday night. Going to the hospital and stuff. Now the NHS does get some shit and it is celebrated and, you know, many people can think many different things about it.

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But from the moment I called one, one, one up, that I had, an assessment first of all, then within five minutes later, a clinician called me back, did another, more in-depth assessment which referred to the walking center, like the emergency bit, had EKGs, blood tests and all that, and then went to another specialist emergency day care unit, all of that.

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And it was just kind of like an maybe an hour, 45 minutes in each section being seen, everyone thoroughly checking me over all of that and all the analysis, the the service and speed was insane. It was remarkable. Like fucking God bless the NHS. When it works, it works well. It's fucking insane that, you kind of, you know, we see our cousins across the pond that pay 20 grand for that service.

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It's fucking mad. I don't know what you would, but they don't have the, the insurance and they end up paying a fortune. So, like, the cost of having a baby's like, I don't know, I'm not going to get this right. It is mental. Yeah. No, you're like, it's like 20 grand. No more. More than that. Way more.

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Oh. Is it really? Yeah. Yeah. I remember asking our friend a mutual friend. Was it, Eric group? I think it was. Who? He's an American friend, and he. I think I don't know if he's going to correct me, but actually, let me just Google it. But it was over 100 grand. Oh, my God, having a baby.

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I just thought one of baby. Oh, default like 20 to 40. Say what? Not for him. Start to say sorry antenatal care or, could you pay for that though? Right. You just you just go until, like, a payment plan for the rest of your life. You have insurance. Oh, no. No, hang on a second. I've. I've massively overestimated that.

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That's the cost of giving birth. This is the cost of giving birth is is. You're right. Is that. Depends where you're looking now? Someone says, Depends what? You have a C-section. But around between 18 and $50,000. Right. Okay. Right. And the Guardian in 2018 says why does it cost $30,000 to give birth in America? Like if you got you there a payment plan is there.

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The insurance just cover you to give birth and have inch like it surance against injury rather not like a planned, pre-planned perfect. It is meant to like. You know what happened to me yesterday? I went in, said my name, my date of birth, my address. They should sit here. His NHS number. Here's your wristband. And then I went through all of this process to get me checked up and all that lot.

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And in the middle of that they said, Ricky, would you like an egg sandwich, ham sandwich? And I thought, oh, I'll have an egg mayo. I say, egg sandwich. Yeah. And then and then Ben was seen and then it was just. And then my Mrs. pick me up after. And there was not. What time did you get picked up payment?

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Maybe about, 4:00 or something like that morning. No, no, no. Are you ready? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's incredible. It's an absolutely amazing service. The NHS, it's it is the challenges of running an organization as big as it is, cannot be overestimated for a service that is used by so many people. The the principle of the NHS is it doesn't matter who you are or where you're from, we will help you.

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That is in this modern era, in an era where there is such division of politics everywhere. The fact the NHS still remains, a the a body that will help anyone that walks in the door is an incredible thing, and that is something that people criticize it for. Well, it shouldn't be for everybody should it? We pay for it should just be for us.

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That kind of like energy. The yeah, yeah, yeah. Every single person I saw yesterday was of was not of a you know, a typical white British. You don't want to even say that. You're not saying that because people go, well there you go. It's been abused by people that haven't put into it. And you like the principle of it is, I don't know.

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There was like this there was this thing between as I've moved to the Pope. Right. Because it's essentially the same part of the conversation. It's like the pope who has issues with the way Donald Trump and, has he has issues with, immigration and, and do you think we should do because Catholic, you know, in the eyes of God, all men are equal that matter.

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If you're lucky enough to be born in the States and unlucky enough to be born in an area of the world that doesn't have that infrastructure, and there's like, well, they can't correlate, really, because they can't they can't come together. The principle of religion is that all men should be treated equally. And women obviously. Yeah. Everybody else, the, but and it's the same with the NHS is it shouldn't it doesn't matter.

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But you know, modern politics really don't allow for that anymore. So the NHS is, an incredible thing and long may it remain. Yeah. It was, absolutely. You know. Fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. Do you know what we're talking about today, Flav? You did tell me about five minutes ago. I've already forgotten. What is it? Have you read?

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No punishments. Punishments? Has it punishments. Punishment. Punishment. Punishment. Yeah. So someone, this is sent in by a lot. And I was like, actually, that's pretty, pretty interesting because I think they used an example of that. They had seen the punishment that was going on within their, location that you don't really see, you know, a clip from the year.

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So we went further into that discussion. Now, when you were growing up with children of the 80s. Yeah. Wish you did your mum or dad ever raise a hand here? You know, was there like never not not once. Never. I mean I didn't have an I haven't had a crossword with my dad in our entire lives. Like it's times I get irritated with him when he says stuff like that.

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Just chop like like that. Yeah, but not actual. Where I've been angry with my dad, and. And that stems from. But I was too scared of him when I was growing up. That's that's quite amazing like that. Yeah. No, you've not had, crossword. Crossword. Yeah. We've argued about football but that doesn't it doesn't. Oh no, I'd say yeah.

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I think that even, even if, you just ask him for the time and he tells you the time, you know how long we said it, and not by. And it's not. Yeah. No, not in that in legitimate the, you know, nature. So. And then Tony met growing up. Said I was I was afraid of his anger.

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Would you read it? Yeah, I was, I was scared of being in trouble with him. Yeah. Because he is quite explosive. I've never I've not seen that side. Yeah. And he was been I think a lot of it was performative for so I wasn't, I wasn't I never put the long answer. The short answer to this is I never really gave him an excuse to, I don't think, but I had my brothers.

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He never did anything to them as well. So. Wow. Like, we've, Obviously, my, it was just my mum and my sister with my dad. I think my parents met when I was about five, so I. I don't really remember anything previous to that. With my mum, I always check because we were doing this part of.

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I bet I get my facts straight before I start spitting stuff. Yeah. So I messaged her and I said, did you ever hit me with a slipper wooden spoon, rolling pin? You know, any of that kind of Karen? And she said, I never raised a hand to you or your sister. And I said, no, that's a lie. And she was like, I'd never raised a hand to you, your sister.

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And I was like, I remember you like slapping the back of my legs when I was younger. And she was like, I really think you're misremembering or you're remembering someone else, and I'm not. No, I remember there were times I do remember doing bad things and her chasing me up the stairs with a slipper like whacking the back of the stair, not getting me, but maybe as a, which called.

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I just, the warning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shooting across the bow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe, I don't know, maybe I, I feel like I tell you, I remember the, the neighbors that lived opposite us. And, one of them might actually be listening to this. I'll be interested to see if he picks up on this, but, them, the.

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So the the the older brother was a boisterous brother, you know, very I wouldn't say, but highly but very, adventurous misbehaving. And he often got a slipper or a wooden spoon and that was like, in the streets, like everyone saw him, not mum chasing him, fucking being served up. They would just be laughing. Kind of like just saying fuck.

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Yeah. So, and then then another lad down the street, his parents were proper strict and not so, our, our street was very like, single mum springing up their kids, council houses that, that, that type of vibe. So. And then so you'd get the, the fewer kind of, streets where they did have families, but this family where their parents were fucking strict.

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And we were we were out, I don't know what we were doing up to no good. And he said, I have to be home because we're supposed to be going to the cinema as a family. And he said, I whatever I do, I cannot be late. And he was petrified, utterly petrified, like he was late. And I didn't see him again for a week after.

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And then when I did see him, I said, what happened? And he said his dad took his belt off and smashed him three times. And I lost a lot. That's fucking mental. Like in the 80s, like being hands and belt. See, that was pretty normal. Got it man. Yeah I don't I don't I honestly I didn't see any I don't see any of that.

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I didn't growing up for my even my mates growing up. Well now no not not definitely not now. Not not now. I wouldn't you know, I don't know whether it's a good thing or a bad thing. I think it probably does happen behind closed doors, but for it to be commonplace for a slipper or, or a bell or something like that, I guess in some of the families that I grew up with went through a lot of multicultural families and the kids who had African parents that I remember them talking to, like, yeah, getting lashings from their, yeah, from the parents and stuff like that.

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But it was almost a joke. But it was a joke at school that that happened and maybe some sort of racial stereotypes involved as well. But the, but but generally. No, and I think. I think like if you think of, like the single parent family, the mum has to take control somehow because it is so hard for you to be mum and dad.

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Yeah. And you need that that role in that sort of nuclear family is the, the administer and the mum is softer typically. Yeah. And that's the kind of one I didn't have. My parents split out when I was five as well. I didn't, I had a mum who was very soft had of step by step dad that was super strict and my dad was somewhere and he wasn't soft, but he was in he was affectionate, so they I just don't know, I was, I was like scared of being in trouble growing up that I didn't cause any problems.

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But you can see where, a mum, for example, might need to use a slipper to, to maintain some sort of control. It doesn't really work though, doesn't it? Because it's not. No, just not unless your mum's certain type of person. Typically they're not scary. I'm. I was never worried about getting in trouble. My mum, it just wasn't a fear.

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No. Yeah. I couldn't imagine your mum. And so nice. Yeah. And even when she's been really angry with my little brother, like when he, you know, or or angry, but he, like, my brother was my little brother would during his teen years would go out and do things to excess and stuff and, but and I think there might have been times where mum would have been worried about him, but it was never she was that she was so loving and caring that it would that sort of punishment angle for her was impossible.

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Yeah. I'd like I'm thinking back as well. I was with my mum. I couldn't ever imagine my mum doing it now as I look back, but I could have sworn that there was. But anyway, I think my mum was brought up in a Catholic family, very strict, and I think the kind of, you know, the era of when your parents say something, you listened, you don't talk back.

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You don't. You know, say anything. So she was very kind of, what's the word? I'm looking but just very conscious that when she brought her children up, it wasn't going to be. We are definitely going to go down the religious right. We are definitely going to be about strict punishment. We are definitely going to be about this.

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I want it to be as open and just do whatever you want. Really. But within the kind of realms of, not doing anything completely fucking out of order or anything. But I was talking to my missus, dad, about this as well. And he's from so he was born in like World War two, 44, 45, somewhere around there.

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But he was telling me about when he was at school, and they would misbehave, and you'd have to put your hands out. Yeah. And you'd get a cane across the hands and a cane until your hands bled. And then you would walk back to your, your seat and you'd carry on. And he said that this was not only about misbehaving or fucking around.

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This was like sadistic. What's what's the capital of England? And here's to our Bristol. Right. Get up. You should know that, the punishment fucking wallop across your hands. That's fucking men doing it. Well, yeah, that is mental, right? And they thought that they, But I remember some from my dad story, so my dad would have been born about ten years later after your father in law, and he was in, school, I believe a Pateman or Holloway school.

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And he was in a room, and he was tapping on a radiator, and someone along the line of plumbing was also tapping on the radiator, and they could. He was responding to the taps, right. As I said, that's like, amazing. I'm communicating with someone in a different room with a radiator. But if anything, that sort of inquisitive nature should be rewarded and nurtured.

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Yeah, yeah. Unfortunately for my dad, the person tapping on the radiator was his head of year. And he decided we worked out that my dad worked out what room it is coming from somehow. And I burst through the door and it's like, who was tapping on the radiator? And my dad sitting next to the radio in a room was, kind for it.

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Ice bath water in it? Yes. So what what does that what harness? What does that harness? What does that help? What does that do? It makes you it makes you hate authority because it's unfair and unjust. In that moment. And what you what if you look at the successes of the economy out of that group of men and widows and women, to where my era with like millennials, you know, the amount of and it's still to do with an expanding interest in society and expanding technologies and the internet and stuff.

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But what Great Britain was able to produce now, not in terms of like in terms of industry and income. So the wolves, what they were able to do in that era, and I think a part of it was about how well we were nourished. I'm not saying the school system was great, and I'm thinking, actually, it's super. It's even stricter now than it was when I was at school.

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I think they kind of schools rebelled or adapted from that corporal punishment sort of route to. Yeah, being much more sort of soft handed with it. And my terrible rough and horrible. But I never feared any of the teachers and thought I was going to get whacked because of it. And I just think that was able to be more creative and sort of find different routes to be successful and, and generate.

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And, I think part of that is because you weren't being smacked for doing stuff that didn't deserve it, like the punishment wasn't in keeping with the with the offense, if you like. No, but like a school like yours from listening to you, do you not think that if there was a kind of, a sense of if I step out of line, that I will get got by a teacher, that's that maybe it would have been a bit more, less lawless.

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I, yeah, it would have been, but would have kids come out of it with less abilities to do things. Would would it would would that the fact that there would have been a lot a low bar for punishment, would that have helped these kids be better people in the long run? And I don't know the answer, but my guess would be no.

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So, while the environment might have been a bit more less a bit less chaotic if there was a caning, there, I don't know if those kids who got caned would have been helped because of it. Yeah. So yeah. Yes. In terms of behavior, probably would have helped. Would they have come out better, more rounded human beings?

00:30:33:20 – 00:31:00:07
Probably not, I don't think I think there is a middle ground somewhere which is difficult to me because you have to experience it. Between what my kids are going through now and what I did at school, like, yeah, I'm, I know the school, the that the punishments for very small minors are severe in my in my son in law school I think.

00:31:00:09 – 00:31:25:23
And why I say severe. No one's getting hit, but they're getting sent to rooms to sit on their own and I and it's for really basic stuff. So there is a zero tolerance. What is it called? Went into isolation. This. Yeah. Yours is actually ours is reflection right. They really changed it. So it used to be called isolation and they've reworked rebranded it to

00:31:26:00 – 00:31:40:05
Well all the kids just call it being sent now. They've kind of got their own name for it, but we got sent, sent there for sort of, I guess. Is this this element of, you know, they take control of something if they if they don't like this, what was it called? Isolation. It wasn't reflection. It was something else.

00:31:40:07 – 00:31:55:06
So they renamed it. But yeah, it used to be called sense, just isolation. So you put on your own or you're in a room with other people and you can't talk, and you've got to rewrite the same poem over and over again. So the punishments are set, like right in lines is, oh. As, as old as the the.

00:31:55:08 – 00:32:19:20
Yeah. This is what I want to speak to like about as well. But back in the day. So if I can just finish on this point, is that the. The situation with, where am I, where was I? So. Yeah. So, so so it's gone to strict, right. And and like I say, you can get sent to a room and be isolated.

00:32:19:22 – 00:32:47:16
But I had no fear sending would enclose into their school where if those send them into school. I went to, I'd be worried like something might happen to them. Gotcha. And so there is a middle ground between rules and strictness in their application. Then. And this kind of free, free experience of my school, which resulted in kind of violence and tyranny.

00:32:47:18 – 00:33:08:22
The, like it like you're saying about the writing lines and stuff like that. I, I've never done that in my life. And, back in the day, like when I was saying, like the early school stuff, a lot of Victorian times, like if you, even if you were, like, misbehaving or you got stuff wrong, they used to put cones on your head with D on it for dunce.

00:33:08:22 – 00:33:33:01
Yeah, but I need to, I need I have to sit in the corner, stand in the corner and look to the corner because you got the answers wrong or because you didn't understand something, how fucking things and brains didn't work any different than than they do now. You still had kids who struggled with learning. It's so bad. It's so bad now going like, fast forward in schools today, right?

00:33:33:01 – 00:34:09:01
And you're saying about that, I mean, my kids don't do lines. And you said that they recite poems and over and over again all the lines of whatever, and there's no punishment at schools now, but the amount of stuff I see online of, pupils beating up teachers or fucking terrorizing their teachers, do you think that. The the kind of balance within who is in control is just way out now, not out, not now.

00:34:09:03 – 00:34:34:21
It was when I was little. It's like, is it kind of more social media to shine the spotlight on those incidents? Yeah, of course there'll be some some schools that do that have lost control and don't have any order, but that would if it did happen in my in my kid's school, they wouldn't be expelled immediately. Like you get you get you can get suspended for failing a detention if you do it so too often.

00:34:34:22 – 00:34:58:11
Like failing the center would mean talking in detention. Something like that. Well, the kid's school. Yeah. So you could get, like, a fucking hell. That's so harsh. Yeah. So if you was, like, so an example might be, you're in detention. You found a detention by, I don't know, looking at your phone or you speak. And then in that May moment, if you say, I'm.

00:34:58:11 – 00:35:24:10
I'm leaving the detention anyway, that would result in a temporary suspension. Be like a day or two days from the school there. Really. It's really, really, really strict in terms of what they expect, but there's very little wiggle room for people to that are and don't be wrong like they if you think there's two straight I think you two stricture I think it's, there is that I think they've gone too far.

00:35:24:12 – 00:35:40:24
But like I say, if the, if the, if the alternative and there isn't an alternative, there's a middle ground. But if you say there's other examples where the school don't have control of the behavior of their students and their results in people with teachers being abused, then what's worse is much that's much worse than what they've got going on, I say.

00:35:40:24 – 00:36:13:06
But generally it's just a struggle for the kids that really struggle with, school, that find it intensely boring for them to maintain behavior for six hours a day, 240 days a year for out there how many school days you get? Yeah. It's difficult. It's difficult. I mean, the the barometer for, for, punishment. Sorry if that the, the level of punishment is the low, the bar for punishment is low, then they're going to fall foul that they just will.

00:36:13:06 – 00:36:33:04
Because it doesn't matter how much you say this is important. Maths are important. English is important. If you don't find it interesting, if the environment is so stifling and boring in the way of teaching doesn't bring true with you, it doesn't resonate with you. It's hard as a 14 year old, 15 year old boy or girl to go, no, I understand, I just go try hard.

00:36:33:05 – 00:36:59:04
Their brains don't work like that. Yeah, and they do almost like you're setting them up to fail. Almost like you're knowing that they're going to. Yeah. System but don't work for them. And and and what you you what you have to do as parents is toe the line between making sure that they follow the rules to stay in school, but also encourage them and that that school isn't the be all and end all, but not to a degree where they give up on school because they think, I can do all this without school.

00:36:59:04 – 00:37:26:05
Because it is important. It does. It has its uses. So it's really walking a tightrope as a parent and trying to do the right thing. Like reinforcing punishment for homework, like I get homework, I get it's important. But the amount that they get for me, it's insane is to sign. It's too much because they're in especially if you're academic and you can do it and you find it easy, you'll probably even get some enjoyment over completing the task.

00:37:26:07 – 00:37:46:05
If you're the opposite of that, it's torture you because you're redoing stuff that you're doing in the classroom. You struggle with there. You're at home and you're getting like you're getting tested, and then it's just a big red X comes up on the screen. If you don't, if you do it wrong and you got to do it again and you're just and I'm thinking like in terms of like, what's the B?

00:37:46:08 – 00:38:05:13
What's the goal here? What are we all fucking doing on this planet? The goal is to strive and be just content as possible for as long as possible. So force in you know, let's talk about son now right. He goes to yes, go to homework clubs, do his homework because the questions he can't do at home. So he has to have someone help him.

00:38:05:15 – 00:38:24:13
Yeah. My and my, my youngest, we, I think we're going to, but the parents can look up as well. The alternative is the punishment. If you don't do homework, club is detention. So yeah, if you miss homework you have to go to the detention. So you know, so it's his choice is you either do the detention or the homework.

00:38:24:13 – 00:38:42:12
Club slut. You can't do your homework in detention. You're not allowed. So do the homework club. So that's that's kind of where we're caught. And he understands that. But you're losing time in your day where you're supposed to be relaxing and comfortable and enjoying yourself with your friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just don't I don't, I don't said, I don't, I don't see it.

00:38:42:12 – 00:38:59:05
But I don't know. Were you, were you ever like that at school we run reports or anything like that or suspended or made that. Like I said, the part I get suspended in my school is so high, but I can imagine I was one of the good kids. I was one of the kids that didn't get in trouble.

00:38:59:09 – 00:39:19:22
Never backtrack to the teacher, but you could have a fight, full blown fistfight in school and not be suspended on it. Now, if you're fighting in in their school, that's like three days experience of suspension. Yeah, which is fine. You don't want to see the violence. You want to see the stuff that we saw, like we would go there would be fights in the park, in the playground.

00:39:19:24 – 00:39:41:18
Everyone we had fight, fight, fight, fight, fight like cheering. And if someone spilled some blood, it would go blood. Fight pop, fight. I remember that vividly. This is these are kids that fight, fight, fight. It went like oh my God is played in his nose split. It was like cheering more like this side. Yeah. Good. Well done. That's good.

00:39:41:18 – 00:39:59:23
Well again same again tomorrow. And it was be a fight every day. They could be done with a bit of that. But no I was, I was good. Just go. My I didn't cause any problems. My parents, I was, mainly on report for the vast majority of my school years in secondary school and having to check in with the head teacher.

00:40:00:00 – 00:40:26:22
Yeah, right. You know what? He stands up because I just, I my my preference was fun rather than work. And as an adult, 42 years old on this, I'm still the same person. I everybody's fun to looking around more than anything because that's what, you know ultimately makes me happy. Making other people happy and making them laugh is my priority.

00:40:26:24 – 00:40:47:00
So I would do anything I can to do that. So your punishment was to go on report. So what was that like? Yeah, I well, it was just checking in every break period that I had and the teachers would sign it to say, Ricky is here. Ricky was at his last lesson. Ricky did this and they would all write a comment on me.

00:40:47:00 – 00:41:11:22
Yeah, let's just say it. Does that exist now? That was. Yeah, put some more. And in year 11 I was like banned from science. So I had an individual table and chairs outside the classroom for me. So I wasn't allowed to go into the class because I would disrupt everyone. It was just stuff like that, that, did you was mainly my my secondary school.

00:41:11:22 – 00:41:33:10
What school did you think about what your behavior might how that might impact your mum, how she felt? No, no, no, no. Realize how stressful that might have been. Yeah. I for me was get in trouble at school. Yeah. If she was not allowed to sit in a science class just to sit outside, sure she wouldn't see. Where you going with this?

00:41:33:12 – 00:42:04:18
Yeah, but you don't you don't, you don't just doesn't your brain don't understand it. And I don't comprehend the the repercussions of this, just before we, we go to the next bit, I really do want to talk about, capital punishment and where you stand on that. Like, for years. I was always of, my younger years, I was like, yeah, I murderers should get murdered, you know, like, you've taken someone's life.

00:42:04:18 – 00:42:36:05
An eye for an eye. You take their life. That kind of punishment. And then as I grow older, I, Do you know what is so weird as well? I'm one of my fucking. You know, when you have a Facebook update and the memories come back, I'd say, and this is like 12 or 14 years ago, and I'm talking about capital punishment, and I'm saying I'm talking about people that murder people and pedophiles and that I don't think it's right that you should, you know, eye for an eye and take their life and stuff like that.

00:42:36:07 – 00:42:54:24
I post it as a Facebook status. What was I doing? Why was I thinking that as well as like what what? Maybe we should do a little segment on 000? Is there a way find in the middle because like, they follow them up every day? Like, yeah, some of them I'm like hating, I get mine how, how how if I said that what my mum's on Facebook.

00:42:54:24 – 00:43:14:04
Maybe it was different than the status. Didn't I don't know. I'll if you listen to this, I will post it on our Instagram. And you can see I was going on about. But, yeah. And then I was like in my kind of defense of it, I was like, yeah, pedophiles, they shouldn't get killed. And someone else underneath in the comment had written, I get that.

00:43:14:04 – 00:43:43:16
And, you know, I've read I know that lot. Watch what would happen if it was your daughter that was like, they'd want to murder them. Yeah, exactly. And I was like, I would, but they kind of mentally ill. Do you know what I mean? So it's like, can you. Yeah. Like, can you do that? Well, it's hard to it's hard to rein in your especially sexual proclivity because it's so sort of hardwired into your instinct.

00:43:43:18 – 00:44:19:11
So you cannot help what you find attractive. In the same way you can't help what colors you enjoy. You can I you cannot if what you find arousing is pre-built into your DNA, but also also into behaviors that happened early on in in your life and your may have years. So if those two things you can't control, it is understanding and sort of open minded to suggest that perhaps pedophiles cannot help that they find children attractive.

00:44:19:13 – 00:44:39:16
Acting on it is a completely different thing. You might be find, you know, sexual assault attractive. You know, people out there, they've acted on. It's a different thing. Completely. Right? That that should be punishable by the most severest ways, I think. Should they be murdered by the state?

00:44:39:18 – 00:45:05:05
I, I would say you generally I would be against capital punishment. Yeah. The, the examples where people have been wrongly accused and been killed and although rare in the States and in England, are, a few, I guess, I guess few and far between. But they do happen.

00:45:05:07 – 00:45:35:13
I if someone murdered my wife, I probably want them dead. And I, I and. I and I've had in my extended family people that have been killed in street fights. Yeah. And you know they served short relatively short sentences until about. Yeah four years someone something happens I don't I want to say this but anyway so it was a short it was much he got manslaughter as opposed to murder.

00:45:35:17 – 00:46:00:03
And it was if you're being completely balanced and you're being you looking at what happened. He wasn't murdered, right? It was a street fight. The guy went over the top, the court. So the person in my family was killed later. He died later in hospital. Should this person have really only served the amount of time he served? And the answer is no.

00:46:00:08 – 00:46:33:04
But it wasn't premeditated murder. So it's different. So the law should exist outside of the emotion, and there should be kind of a blanket approach to the way things do, because you can't rely on the family to make the right decision. But if it happened to me, if it part of my family, I'd want him dead. Yeah. I mean, there's a thing in specifically, Britain that punishment is not as severe as it should be.

00:46:33:04 – 00:46:55:02
But if we look to the US and for murder, life imprisonment, life imprisonment means life imprisonment over here. It's like 15 years. And then you get out on seven, eight years on good behavior or something. I don't think you do for violent crimes. I think that's really okay. But I think if you get life for murder here, you're in for 15 to 20 years.

00:46:55:02 – 00:47:28:19
Yeah, right. Okay. But still not life. No. There's this, kind of, discussion that, you know, should life be life or even if we have our kind of life, it's 15, 20 years. Should that be extended? Because punishment should be more severe in theory, because it would ward off those crimes happening. So if you're found with a knife on you, then you get 15 years because there's intent or whatever.

00:47:28:21 – 00:47:56:20
But at the moment it's you. I don't know how much you get on you, but you get my point anyway. What are your, how do you feel about, like, punishment? That it should be more severe than what we do in Britain? I think the because I think that. Sorry. Can't go. No, no, no no, I think there I think there should be I think the bar should be raised as a more, deterrent.

00:47:56:22 – 00:48:24:22
Yeah. That's my problem is I don't think it is a deterrent. I don't think there's less murders in the, in the, in the US because the, the, the because capital punishment is real. There's not I don't think that I, I don't know what the answer is, but I think in the moment when you murder someone or you, the reasons you choose to murder someone, they're so overpowering that you're not really considering whether or not there is a life sentence or a, you know, there's a life sentence above that.

00:48:24:22 – 00:48:53:24
There's potential death row position for you. Like, yeah, if someone's so well, so if someone you can't have a blanket approach to every serious crime even for this reason. So if someone murders someone close to me and I want to get revenge, that doesn't make me a serial killer, does it? It makes me angry, emotional, and upset. Like there's this idea that, like a crime of passion in France is treated differently.

00:48:53:24 – 00:49:18:03
I don't know if it's true. This is true. But the story goes that the crime of passion is treated more leniently in France than it would be in the UK or elsewhere. Because you're not. You have an emotionally different situation like that's interesting. You've heard about that. No, no, no. That's so say if you catch your wife in bed with your best mate and you murder them both, you're treated differently than someone who just murdered someone, right?

00:49:18:03 – 00:49:34:00
Because you you should be. It makes sense, like. All right, I have killed two people, and maybe I shouldn't have done, but I've just seen my best mate banging my wife. I'm going to be a man that feels like Andy de Frying and Shawshank Redemption. Yeah. He, he catches his wife. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying.

00:49:34:00 – 00:49:59:19
He's like, is that fair punishment? Yeah. That's. Yeah. The heat of the moment is a fair punishment for the wife. Yeah. Oh, it's bad, I know. Of course it's not. Yeah, it's it's an interesting Boogie Nights. Poor. Yeah, yeah. What's his name? Andrew. Was it so William H. Macy's character. He keeps his wife. Keeps his wife.

00:49:59:19 – 00:50:18:18
Kept bound by Pawn Stars. He ends up killing the end up killing or kill himself. I know he definitely kills himself. Yeah, but, you know, that's absolutely clearly. That's one of my favorite films. Is great for where I remember when I was a kid. And this always. This is one of those things that lives in my head.

00:50:18:18 – 00:50:42:11
Rent for a and a what it maybe when I was like ten years old or something like that. I watched a documentary on the last hanging in Bedfordshire. That was it. It was William. Is it purple or something like that? Pierpoint no, no no it was it a guy called James Hanratty. No. The I believe the the, the hangman was called Pierpoint I think.

00:50:42:15 – 00:51:04:21
Oh I don't know actually. Yeah. There was a dramatization about it was fascinating. He was the his job as a I don't know what the word would be I guess executioner. Yeah. And he would set up the rope in a front. So what that, I mean, I think we could have watched the same thing. Well, the whole thing is about the executioner, not the last person he got killed.

00:51:04:21 – 00:51:25:11
Right? It is about the last execution as well. But I'll get the name for it. It was, Timothy Spall. Spall? Pierpoint? Yeah. That's his name. Pierpoint. It's a film I show you. Go watch. It's good. Well I will de yeah. James Hanratty in Bedfordshire obviously Bedfordshire is close to where I live. Is it my child like brain as that.

00:51:25:11 – 00:51:50:02
Fuck. Someone was hung close to me. That's where it is. And it just lived in my head. And then there was this 15, 20 years later, documentary or newspaper article, whatever. And they trace back over the steps of what the guy had done, DNA evidence, all that lot. Turns out he didn't do it. Yeah. Didn't get it.

00:51:50:04 – 00:52:19:15
I mean, you just think it's fucking mental to give someone a life sentence or death sentence to only find out that it wasn't actually them. That's the thing that's fucking hundred percent what it's like. Is it, there in the future? That kind of, what was it? The, can't remember a film called Tom cruise in it, where people convicted of murder before the murder happens because they they can predict who's going to murder, who was pretty interesting.

00:52:19:17 – 00:52:37:09
I remember that, yeah, that that's just sitting there like, we're sitting there now and someone breaks the police break in and take you off to. You've got to save a life sentence for the murder you would have committed. That's what I fucking I. So that's a really good concept. But it's that's fucked up because. Yeah, come back to Madison.

00:52:37:09 – 00:52:56:18
Why would you. But is it fucked up? Because they know it's going to happen. So to to prevent in the death. And you're the one that has to go. Why does it have to happen for you to have had just because I might, I may have had a change of, it's not at 100% accurate prediction. That's what I you would have done this than it is good, then.

00:52:56:18 – 00:53:25:17
Yeah. But, yeah, Albert Pierpont, was an English hangman who executed between three, 435 people and 600 people, and it's 25 career year career, which ended in 1956. And the book. Yeah. What is is it in the eyes of God? Where does he go? He he's just doing his job. All right, but does God believe in jobs or is it right and wrong?

00:53:25:19 – 00:53:50:18
Yeah. I should his punishment to keep keeping theme of the show. Should he be going to hell for carrying out the orders of, the system? Yes. In the same way that like Nazi soldiers who are just following orders, you know, we were just following orders, right? That's bullshit. Yeah, but so was Pierpoint. He was literally just doing his job.

00:53:50:18 – 00:54:16:11
He was a normal bloke. Lived in a terraced house, and his job in the prison service was, official hangman. That's for this? Yeah. Is he the same as a prisoner of war guy? Because they were just doing their jobs. And this is the thing, Ricky. He sounds like a bit of a stoner conversation now, but. No, but it's it's interesting.

00:54:16:11 – 00:54:41:02
If you were if you were indoctrinated in the way that a lot of the people were in Nazi Germany. Yeah. How many of us really would have rebelled against it? Really? Like, honestly, probably none. If you're if you've got down your street, 200 people, Nazis and talking about Nazi stuff, then you're not going to go, you know, I like I disagree with all of this.

00:54:41:02 – 00:55:08:06
I'm not going to do it. Yeah, because because what I'm eternally reserving to probably leave the country or be very quiet about it. Otherwise you would have been. Yeah. You would. Yeah. You'd be. I mean, if you take it further, if you're in the Army, if you've been bombarded with this propaganda, you know, I'm not saying of at all these people have and will should and have faced a criminal charges.

00:55:08:06 – 00:55:32:11
And they did. But how many of us would have acted any different? If you're in you're working in the Army, if you're working in the Prison Service, you're in part of this. And the level of indoctrination and propaganda that existed then compared to now, because we we blindly followed, you know, the imagine that we, we build our sons into battle in Europe.

00:55:32:13 – 00:55:50:21
Yeah. There was no age of information you believe to the people above you believe that the government was doing the right thing for England. You listened to Churchill and you believed everything he said because there wasn't a, the age of information hadn't bloomed yet. So people in Germany, it's ones that joined the Nazi Party would have been.

00:55:50:23 – 00:56:12:24
So they would have done it. They would have gone ahead with it. It would have taken a it would have taken a very strong character to to have rebelled and accepted the punishment. Most likely you would have gone along with it to an extent where your life was comfortable. So how are you sure? How much are you willing to give up and sacrifice?

00:56:12:24 – 00:56:44:01
Now that most people know that the meat industry is a bit cruel, they know, yeah, they just don't care. They choose not to. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And to another extent as well. Like with football World Cups being held in places where, you know, maybe they shouldn't and, workers rights in what's going on. Yeah. Even like, you know, oligarchs and how they've earned their money to buy their football clubs.

00:56:44:01 – 00:57:21:07
And we're paying into that and going into that, you know, how much are we a part of this problem, willing, willing a Petro state to come and buy spurs just so we can buy players? We're not ethical creatures, moral creatures. No, we are self-serving scum. Mostly. And parasites on this planet. Good, good. Now, onto, dilemmas and something on, you know, the dilemma is called cherished memories or a career and something tiny, you know, is that's payback.

00:57:21:07 – 00:57:49:16
Joan. The topic for next week. Quite out, actually. How we how we got here allowed to send this in. And they want to hear us, believe it or not, talk about football. And I thought it's quite apt for this moment in time for us to talk about it, but it's our football origin stories. Local teams we supported playing for your school team for, in a way, gangs, hooligans, chants and how we feel about football now.

00:57:49:18 – 00:58:12:07
Men in our 40s, to the men we were when we were in our 20s. Yeah. Sounds good. And how and how that is, massively changed because for me, it I mean, I will obviously go into it, but it, it has changed enormously how I, follow football and how I feel about it now. But that is going to be the topic for next week.

00:58:12:13 – 00:58:28:10
So if you want to send in any stories or anything you want to get included or for us to chat about, send it to lads and on pod at gmail.com and we will read them out. And we're going to go into dilemmas.

00:58:28:12 – 00:59:01:03
Oh. So, just tired. You got an issue. So, just tired. You got an issue for a tissue? You're a bit sad because I will teach you a aching in your soul, alone in your flat. Please talk to Vicky a flat bed. Let that stress off your chest. Well, friend, you deserve, like, your size to get nice and warm between breaking them.

00:59:01:05 – 00:59:28:00
Cherished memories or a career? I work for an important organization that investigates very serious accidents to prevent them from happening again. An investigation is going on at the moment, and I've been lined up to travel abroad to be part of the investigation. I'm a lifelong Spurs fan and as is my dad, and the trip abroad falls on the same week as the Europa League final.

00:59:28:02 – 00:59:52:13
My dilemma is that I want to be part of this investigation. I said it'd be great for my career, but I also want to watch the final with my dad because it could be the first and last trophy we see Spurs lift together. He's put in brackets. He's not terminally ill. Spurs are just well you know. Yeah there is a risk as it's not guaranteed that will win either.

00:59:52:15 – 01:00:37:16
I really don't know what to do and use some flaps. Thoughts views on this would be welcome. You could say I'm stuck between a cock and a hard place. What do you do? Well. I, I think that when you're on your deathbed and you look back at the moments that sharing that victorious win over Manchester United with your father will be one that you might remember, but you won't necessarily remember the bit of investigation that he was involved in the week at work in, you know, May of 2025.

01:00:37:18 – 01:00:55:14
But yeah, there's no guarantee we're going to win. What are you getting in the NHL? What is the investigation not going to be any detail. No it doesn't doesn't is about accidents and how to prevent them. So there must have been an incident somewhere in Europe. Oh, it doesn't say Europe, but he's got to travel to this place.

01:00:55:16 – 01:01:16:17
Travel abroad. Is there any way that he can go abroad? Like, just for that? Like do two nights in wherever you are? Yeah. Maybe do a little, let him have a little one day away. Yeah. Wait, I, I don't I, I mean, I'm in a similar situation in that, we were doing, something called the phone call social for the main for the, the final.

01:01:16:17 – 01:01:36:24
But I would be understanding of my dad is 74 if he didn't want to sit in a room with people, go, man, or beer flying everywhere. And if he chooses not to, then I'm definitely going to watch it with him, because the alternative is that he watches it on his own, which just I couldn't. I, you know, I need to I'd have to be with him when I'm watching that either way.

01:01:36:24 – 01:02:00:01
So, yeah, I, I, I, I think fuck it off. Watch that. Yeah, I would, I would totally agree. I know I'm in the same predicament as you. I'd want to watch this game with my dad. The last time we were in the final, my dad had booked a holiday to Dubai. Thinking that we weren't going to make the final.

01:02:00:03 – 01:02:24:09
So he was in Dubai, and I instead went to Madrid on my own to watch the final. But I don't really want to do that again. If I'm honest. I'd much rather have the experience with my dad because it could be terrible or it could be absolute fucking ecstasy. What would you do? Would you do social with you that, yeah, I think so.

01:02:24:09 – 01:02:47:19
I think I would try and do something with my family because my uncles and my cousins and everyone, we all support Tottenham. So it might be a point of if there was a fighting cock social that we all went there, or we all went to a local bar somewhere or something like that. I'd much rather be with them to go for it together than, that's what this is all about.

01:02:47:19 – 01:03:14:17
It's the whole point. You're on the planet for us to to experience things with people you love. That is it. So yeah. Yeah, yeah. Your career will rebound. Will you have enough the opportunity to to to witness this. So should we win then maybe as you say because of Tottenham. No. Yeah. I, I will go with go if Tottenham now we're going to jump into something only you know.

01:03:14:19 – 01:03:21:17
What Tom thing. You know.

01:03:21:19 – 01:03:48:04
That's payback Joan. Keep me anon please. All right slags long time or download of lads anonymous. Here is my something only you know, about ten years. About ten years ago, I worked at a mortgage brokers in the Midlands. Most of the office was managers, and I use that term loosely by a lady in a mid to late 60s, let's call it Joan.

01:03:48:06 – 01:04:22:07
During many years there, Joan made it incredibly difficult to get along with staff and was consistently difficult to work with. She took pleasure in declining annual leave requests without explain why, spreading rumors about various staff members having relationships and giving most members of staff negative appraisals. Despite giving 100% working overtime and sometimes weekends. She really was a nasty piece of work and mainly towards the younger staff who could work quicker and more efficiently than she could.

01:04:22:09 – 01:04:45:24
I think most offices have one of these. Anyway. One very happy afternoon and notice goes around that Joan is retiring and a card and collection would be going around in the next few weeks. I was going on a holiday, and the very next day, after ignoring my annual leave denial from Joan, but she would still be there when I returned.

01:04:46:01 – 01:05:10:17
I said to my team, make sure the card and collection don't go back to the same day as I'd like to put into the collection myself. A few of them incredibly shocked. I had a great break made even better knowing that the office trollop would soon be departing and return to work on Monday. With a big smile on my face, I signed the card and asked for the collection envelope, which was surprisingly full.

01:05:10:19 – 01:05:36:15
Lots of copies. So I took a few quid out my wallet and put it, put my hand in the envelope. As I put the couple of quid in the envelope, I accidentally palmed two notes in my hand and then stuck my hand straight in my pocket. No answer. Now for reference. I would never normally do this sort of thing, but this woman made mine and several other lives an absolute misery for years.

01:05:36:18 – 01:05:58:15
Sheer torture. I popped into the loo and emptied my pockets to say I swiped 30 pound. Nice. I thought a few beer tokens for the weekend. However, that 30 pound ended up being placed on an Acca that came in at 66 to 1 and paid for another holiday that would no doubt have been declined under the previous management.

01:05:58:21 – 01:06:25:23
So that is something only I and I love it. I mean, you've got some, you got some booze taking that money. I would, I would never, ever I wouldn't do that. But fuck Joan. Yeah. Fuck. Joan. Yeah. So the topic for next week is football. So it's, you know, we'll be talking about our origin stories, local things we supported and far and away games and how we feel about football now compared to when we were younger.

01:06:26:00 – 01:06:38:07
So if you've got any stories or anything you want to send it to us, send it to lads anon pod at gmail.com and until then we will see you on Monday. Cheers.