#92 | Your Dream 5 Dinner Guests, Dead Or Alive

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May I am. I'm exhausted. Right? Mentally. Physically. My social battery. My just capacity to think or do anything at the moment is I'm with you online 0.3%. I've got nothing. I've got nothing. It's been three days of mayhem, really, and like glorious mayhem. But the bodies, yeah, can only do so much. Can only cope with so much. Yeah.

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It's been. I haven't been off the wagon for a long, long time. 120 days though something. What was the last three days. I drunk so much alcohol like that. We were at the, we were at the festival of celebration for Tottenham Hotspur's Europa League win. Oh yes. Well we reached. Yeah I met up and it was lovely and I was, I wasn't going to go because I was feeling tired and yeah.

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And I was reading in the WhatsApp groups, all you boys going, I'm going to be doing this something that and I'm like.

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I'll call guy after guy. I go, I run the wife and went, I'm going to go, you have a great time is up. Yeah, okay. Come on. In a way, I wanted to go, why is my day off? Blah blah lads? Because it is a day off. She just like you and I go, that's all right. So, was it was her day?

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Oh, I haven't seen her for ages. Like, I, I spent three, two days, two days in London. And then we're supposed to do house stuff yesterday were European champions. All right, she can wait, Ricky.

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The European champions. It can. It can indeed wait. Everything can wait. It can it I just I just want to but I actually I apologize to anyone. I mean, I'm sure everyone was just hanging on the edge of their seats waiting for us to post podcast clips on the lads anonymous Instagram account and saying that it's been tumbleweed for the last week or whatever.

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I'm sorry. All right. I'm sorry I haven't been posting anything and we'll get back to it. But things are just, you know, life is just got in the way of doing that kind of stuff. And for me, like with, with, you know, we won't go too deep into talking about Tottenham stuff. But for anyone that's been living under a rock that the team that obviously flab and I support, Tottenham are in the, Europa League final in Bilbao.

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And I went along to it with my dad and I to catch, you know, two planes over there, to rent a car, stay an hour away from your bar where is happening, and then drive in on the day of the game. And then on the way back on the final with your drive back to beer, it's, to do a mental journey, and I.

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Well, did you have any fears of the planes? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think. And Edwin renews up in the air. I wasn't scared. I was all right, actually, I was all right. There was a couple of, like, bits where it goes down. You're like, you gripped the seats, but that's expected. Now, I, I'm always disappointed if I, if I, if I did have a little light, little check in you to say.

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Oh, but you're on a plane, right? So stay there. Yeah. This is completely abnormal what you're doing. Yeah, I've told you about this, but the throwing hands up in the air. Yeah.

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Well, yeah, there was a few of those knocking about on the way back, right? Because my, I woke up at like nine on matchday 9:00 in the morning, and I was awake for about all of that, then obviously match finishes and traveling back to, driving from Bilbao to beer, it's got to be a race and a wake that the airport got on the plane and stuff.

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And for all of it, I was awake for like 36 hours. But on the flight from Paris to Paris, mid-flight, I had a panic attack again. Yeah. So having panic attacks? No, I don't know what's happening. What? The thing is, it's like this was a bear race to Paris on the way back. On the way back? Yeah.

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I mean, God, no, I mean, of course, like. Yeah, just exhausted, utterly exhausted. Mid flight. Yeah. Mid fliers and fucking goodness. Well, this one I feel myself going is And I could feel the heat, the sweat. And I'm just like, I don't know what to do because I've got my dad next to me. 73 is out.

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He doesn't really know what doesn't even know what kind of stress, anxiety, panic is. The old I think I get on with it, the mind and, well-being and all that stuff done. I have no idea what that is. So as I could tell myself. Got it. And I said to my dad and I tapped him on the shoulder and I say, dad, I'm having a panic attack.

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And he went, just remember to breathe a sigh. Thanks. I'll tell you, that was a great I don't know, I don't know, I just wanted someone to help me. But what can you do? No, you can't, you can't do anything. So I just let him run down the, Well, the doctors told me, write it out, and then put your head between your legs and concentrate on your breathing.

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And that's what I did because I was bracing for impact. Yeah.

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It was fucking, It's dreadful. For a couple of days. My ego is high emotion type of massive fatigue. Drinking is. Yeah, yeah. And then and you're on a plane, it's like a lot. Yeah, it is a lot. It is a lot. And I think kind of like when I got back as well I, I got back at 645 in the afternoon.

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By 7:00 I was asleep on the sofa. Mrs. wakes me up at 12:15 on the sofa and says, you coming up to bed? Went up to bed and then I slept and I was still I slept with my friends who are like nine in the morning and like, it's not like, oh, I've had a really good, good sleep now I'm right is right.

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You just feel as drained and exhausted as you ever were. And it's going to take a couple of a good couple of days to to kind of get myself back on to it and leading up to it as well because of, you know, you saw in flight as you saw in hotels and rental cars and passports and they start and their match tickets, all of it, that's going through your mind that everything is sorted and stuff like that, that you kind of my, our walks that I would take myself when I drop the kids off, go for an hour, walk, stopped walking for the past week because I just need to get stuff done, need

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to sort of stuff out. All of that junk food come right back into my life just devouring anything and everything like nights again leading up to it. So yeah, kind of just like holding on by the fucking fingertips that's going out to it. But you know, I'm just going to be catching up on my sleep and, and, again, getting back on in, getting away walks back in, getting some clean eating back in and just really looking after myself.

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And I'm pretty sure that will sort myself out. What you just said about the, your celebrating and drinking and stuff like that. How are you? Like, absolutely. Yeah, I feel terrible. I feel so tired, so obviously like I'm walking around, I'm walking around Tottenham bowling around something of a bottle of vodka yesterday. So I mean, and yeah, everyone is, everyone is in such a mood like it was such a great atmosphere, like you were seeing people pass around alcohol like strong alcohol, light beers going on and, and I'm walking around and swigging a fucking vodka.

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And I was like, at one point I was like, this is too much. But I didn't give a shit. Like I said, I didn't give a shit about anything. I was just bawling around so happy. I've never been so happy in my life just because I've watched loads of kids half my age kick a ball in the net in a way that I want for the first time in years.

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So yeah, now I'm feeling it. Now my sleep in and shit like that. So, is there any, any point of view that's like, I'll think about going back onto the wagon? Or is it just like, yeah, I'm definitely thinking about doing that. And yeah, I think I just feel I don't really I haven't thought about it much.

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I'm kind of at that stage, just these last couple couple of days. It's a, there's normally right with a win win, a win, a European trophy. So yeah, I got to be I'm too busy to feel this way. That's the thing, right? Yeah. You much worth it to feel this shit? My head hurts by banging and and bearing in mind, like we like we went from Wednesday.

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I was drinking on the train down to the social before the game with my dad. Drank so much beer to celebrate. We bought more beer, was just sitting in. I was just tons. And then. And then the day after, it was just like, carry on. The pilots keep going. We've got to build this fucking guy, right?

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Should we, should we kick him with a show?

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Them night hazy like Band of Brothers playing Jones high as quite midnight waves. Surfing through till daylight breaks rhythm. Here's different ways. Love of music. We prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band as I we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Promise to see. Oh. Nice I got you.

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Intro. Say Ricky, he's to two best mates. We're fucking broke and blah blah blah. Come on, that's juicy. Do you see Bitcoin a as high as it's ever been? So it's time to, 11,000. Jesus. Have you got any beers a little bit no. Nothing yet we're talking about. No, I'm talking about £500 worth, that sort of thing.

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Not nothing. Right. It's a it's like. Like.

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What have you used in the past? The of, the telegram died. Didn't it say not died? But there's no like you can't access telegram to buy things that anymore. So really, is it all that stuff gone? Well, I what I had to do the I is Swedish owned ago maybe Netherlands. I'm not sure whatever country owned it.

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There were to give up loads of personal information from people using. So the kind of securities this country is still exists I think in general working, but I think if the law can get can request information and telegram have to give it to them, right? WhatsApp. No. At the moment WhatsApp. We've got a want what. I've got a advert encouraging people to use it, saying it's encrypted, but yet we can't see what you're writing.

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If you seen the advert, we can't see what. Yeah, yeah I think yeah yeah yeah I think I have, yeah. It's that ballocks is it. Well no I'm sure I don't know I, I'm encrypted end to end encryption works and no one can see it apart from me and you if we're talking. But if it's the police request it, then they just hand it over.

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It's not like they're going to go. No, it's. This is against our principles, Zuckerberg. And you do that for me, is he not? Yeah. He's can crush you writing, much better for him. My my missus ask me what's this into an encryption mean? And I'm like, I literally don't know. I think it's just between that, the conversation stays between us two and no one else can access it.

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But, yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be good if every if there were payloads of people, at Facebook or Meta going through all your all your names, all your shit. Will it be terrible? That would even feel very good there. So imagine if like, loads of lads WhatsApp groups got leaked. Now what does the dun dun dun. Yeah I mean I think that's probably the vast majority of lads and they WhatsApp groups in it.

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Like that. Or do you think. I don't think there's a large WhatsApp group out there. I don't think it's a lads WhatsApp group out there that, you're not going like someone's going to prison. Yeah, yeah, maybe not prison, but I mean, there's been some this this bad stuff in there, like in your in your mind's eye.

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If I just said who's the worst in our group?

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Are we visualizing the same person? Yeah. Yeah. This is like boxing.

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I would just say name now. No, it could be. It could be anyone. We've got quite a few boxing groups. Does it matter? Doesn't matter. Yeah. He likes boxing. Speaking about boxing. Well, actually, before we go into the topic today, we did a episode a couple of weeks back. It would have been normally sandwiched between a quickie with Ricky, but again, I didn't do it because I was away.

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I'm sorry. It will be back next week. We did a episode on punishment. We were talking about punishment that we that we had when we were growing up, and it's, other place too lenient, that kind of thing. But we didn't like before the episode, before we were talking about executions and we didn't get through to any of the worst ones that I was.

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I didn't know, no. So someone emailed it and said, why don't you do a whole episode of the worst types of executions and tortures that have been used throughout the ages? And I was like, yeah, we'll fucking do that because there's some people listed next week. Let me tell you if it's better than that. Right. Listen, next week this is submitted by Ladd, and this is because of you, right.

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And your recommendation of marching powder. And they've heard us talk about different books in the past. They want to know what our favorite books are, our least the most impactful, the shittiest, any books that we've read that we thought at the time changed our lives. And we look back now and we have a little bit of a laugh about it because it actually was pretty sheer, all those types of things.

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So, yeah. What do you want to do? Torture into notebooks. Internet episode two internet sites. That was the best episode we've ever done. It's so funny. And we barely scratched the surface. Any one of those. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I forgot we would need to do an internet, episode part two. Yeah. That's good. Actually, chatting to birds online.

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Reading up birds in chat rooms, we can talk about, Are you, Did you.

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I, yeah, I'll. I'll sing. I'll probably do books or whatever the the topic for today. Top five dinner guests that are alive. And we've had this thing quite a few times, and it's something that I've always like, I mean, I do like the conversation of it, but it's like a very, often I, it feels a bit cliche, but after, I haven't submitted so many times, it's like, right, let's let's do it.

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And over the years, like, do you, do you like dinner parties yourself? An actual dinner party? Well, sitting down, eating some wine because I've heard you. Yeah, I like your you and your wife. You are quite social. I've noticed, I've seen a couple of times when you've said you've gone round with people's houses for Sunday roast for curry and stuff like that, like me and my Mrs. are just.

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We have never done that ever. Yeah. Yeah. Like I mean yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, I, I think I prefer hosting than going around, but. Yeah. Yeah. So why, why would you put. Well no, no I just it just interested in your kind of because you seem more social than I am in kind of, the way of dinner parties and having guests round and shit like that.

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Yeah. I think if our house is bigger, we've got a quite small three bed house, and it's like the. It's a kitchen, open plan kitchen diner. So it's not as big as we'd like. So it's kind of like in the summertime when we can have table in the garden for barbecues. We invite people round. I normally for my daughter's birthday, we always have a big barbecue then, but that's kind of the, that's where it lays, really.

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But if I had a bigger house with an actual a decent dining area, I think I would have people around more often because I quite like the idea of people just coming round, music playing. I want a bit of, bit of a nibble, that kind of thing. Just chilling out and stuff. Loves hosting. Like it's our favorite thing.

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This is part of. Yeah. One, we're moving into this house and putting so much effort and time into it. She can't wait to have people around. Really. She's very house proud.

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And like, are you are you like for me?

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Don't ever be like, oh, by the way, we've got people coming around this afternoon, I must say. All right. Sweet. Okay, then make sure she hears the. For fuck's sake. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's is only I have to keep. I have to keep up that I'm the grumpy dad, though. When people are around and it's like my nieces and nephews know that I'm not.

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I'm absolutely fine. It's great seeing your family and it know the people that you want to hang around with. Yeah, she does tell me I'm generally okay. So I don't I don't mind. She does what she loves doing and she loves cooking. She loves doing all that stuff. It makes her really happy. So she's happy when. Oh well, I mean, that's that's very admirable of you.

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Depends who she is. But, if you were to have this, make believe dinner party. Yes.

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What kind of party would you envisage for yourself? I mean, like, I a you took a lot. I, so you can have so many different dinner parties ranging from, like a seven course meal master blaster or like a guac attack. Yeah, probably. We just have some peanuts and party the farm. I mean, ideally, if it's about good night, then I'd probably,

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I'd probably, you know, I'd abandon the food. I'd rather sit down and be cultured. You just go straight to the guac. Yeah. That's, I mean, it's not with this sort of thing. It's more about it's less what you're doing in it and more about the conversation or the timing, and I guess so.

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But night a good Balinese. Okay, a good book, good ball a good. Is that where I had a lovely little bollock? I think with the, the people on my list, I don't think that would necessarily be satisfied with just a bollock. No, probably not the probably used to get things lazy. Got it. Do you remember that room I used to tell everyone about me and garlic bread and I in a room?

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I watched the but saw it happen with my own eyes. Like how much you really would put on another bottle. And I used to feed three people on on a sink that's inside a bowl. I'm not even on a place. I couldn't get it up, couldn't get enough of it. But instead of having, like, this is the mental stuff.

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Didn't use cutlery, just had two sticks of garlic bread that you used as like, makeshift spoons. That's it. That's that's not true. But everyone in our friendship group thinks that's how I eat my spaghetti bolognese with garlic bread is nice and fork.

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Oh, oh, in your, column, a celebrity type meal. It may not even be celebrity. We'll get onto that. But what is the, you have in this dinner for the intellectual chatter for banned? Yeah, I'm having it for the first edition of The Conversation, the philosophical chat on some of them. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I mean, yeah, but yeah, to some degree, I think based on what they've created in the past, it would be interesting to discuss the themes in which they've created that.

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Oh, shit, I'm excited why you're talking. What are you saying? You're just people I want to boast with. These are people you want to sit in and have a roast with. Is that. It's. I'm just denying.

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Those are the people that I could easily have a roast of that I'd never invite. Right now, I think I've gone for, you know, when you first turned in your homework and it's like, everyone's got this, like, the same answer, and you look at yours, and yours is totally different, you know? Oh, maybe I've got a bit.

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They're mine. I've come with a more of, a bang, a table read, a bit of a, like, lot of conversation. I mean, there is the intellectual mix in there if for, philosophy, but I wanted to kind of have that, that balance, because if you have a dynamic of someone like Socrates and then you have fucking all that nice someone that's totally Theo Von, like opposite ends, if you have, like, loads of different people like that, you say, how is that conversation going to flow?

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Is it just going to be like, nah, I can't give a shit about that. I don't, I don't even like everybody on Monday list. Oh fuck. Yeah, right. I'm just gonna, I have all these other things lined up, but I need to hear, like, okay, give me what number? Guest. Guess number one on your list. Yes. Number one would be Alex Garland, who is a,

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He's he's a writer of novels and books. But more recently, in recent times, director. He directed smack in the, Right. Yeah, yeah, we spoke about that. We he also has read a couple of books by him through the Tesseract. And another one called, The Beach, probably the most famous one he's known, which was made into a film that hasn't aged brilliantly.

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I've watched it relatively recently, and the beach hasn't aged the way I remember it being by blown. I used to love it. If you seen it, no, it's with Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got it. Okay. He. The soundtrack. Oh, the main theme song was in, Oh, sense, I think. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey.

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Yeah, it was. It was all songs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the kind of. Yeah, I like that. But that's not nowhere near as important as the some of the other stuff he's done, in my opinion. And, you know, he's been involved in Sunshine's a brilliant film. He wrote that or is involved in screenwriting. And 28 days Later, which was I like, okay.

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Yeah, yeah. That one that was I love that film again. Looking at it now is very of its time anyway. It was, it was when I watched it. McKinnon I just like this blew my mind every time I've watched it. It's so, so much depth to it. So like it's, you know, it's essentially like an advancement of the Turing test, which is whether or not a piece of AI or a computer can convince you that it's real without if you can't see it.

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So you don't know if you're talking to a computer or a human being. So. So the Turing test would be your view of whatever you're talking to be concealed. And you need to if the if the computer or the AI is convincing enough, you won't know whether or not you're communicating with a computer or a human being. And it's a very simple test.

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I can't remember, like it beeps and buttons and it was not it wasn't scary. And, yeah, if you're talking to someone, you don't know what, but you're not real or not. You're not having a conversation like we're having now. It's like pressing buttons and lights. It's not. It was old. It's like it's in the 60s or 70s or something like that.

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Right? Okay. But what this what this film does is, it takes you into, you see the robot, you can see she is a robot because she's her body is literally you can see for it. She has it body hair. And she is, clearly, you know, a robotic. And not only is it asking you to convince you whether or not you believe it's real or human, but it takes it further, saying, can you fall in love with this robot?

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Can you find it sexually attractive? It's removing the mask and then asking questions, philosophical questions about what is life and what happens when we create it, and what does it mean philosophically? You know what happens when we play God? Yeah. And the film explores all those things. I just loved it, I love it, I love it, I think it's my top, maybe top three films.

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Yeah, it is absurd. Can you tell me to watch it? And I was like, this is fucking insane. This film is unbelievable. If you're not seeing it, go, obviously go and watch it. Did you see that, news story the other day that that young lad had, fallen in love with, not an eye. Yeah. Personality on line or something.

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Then didn't it tell him to kill himself to join her or something like that? I don't know, it was it was, it was, it was making kind of a suggestion. So they should be together in this other world where they are and blah, blah, blah, and. And the young kid killed himself. Yeah. I think he might have been, I had it I think you might be on the spectrum or something like that.

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Spectrum? Yeah. I don't know if that's a correct terminology anymore. I've been out of that space for a bit working with kids on the spectrum, but the, Yeah, I mean, there's a film called her, which I'd recommend you watch as well. Yeah, yeah, you you told me about that, and I've not seen that yet. Yeah. And that's essentially the same story.

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Not, not I don't know. He doesn't kill himself at the end to be with a but it's his relationship falls in love with his is I personal assistant basically and I use my I, I use and I, I use ChatGPT and Gemini on my phone all the time though all the time there isn't dialog copilot I used ChatGPT to some degree.

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Really? Yeah. And you can have conversations with ChatGPT, so if you want to, if I want to research something or if I'm going to do a shoot, I'll switch it on my phone and have a conversation with it, and it will give me information I need that will feed whatever I'm doing. And it's getting to the point where you, like I.

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My life would be much more difficult if I didn't have it. And it was like, if you seen this interest in, things like a real on Instagram where they ask ChatGPT or something similar that if you could take over the world, if I wanted to take care of the world, how would it go about doing it? And stage one was make it indispensable to everyday life, and it won't be long before it is.

00:28:24:02 – 00:28:35:13
But the thing with ChatGPT is it's it's safe for work, to use an internet expression. You can't. Yeah. It won't interact with you in that way. Like if you wanted to make it like.

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It like a relationship with an I it it's not it has like safeguarding in place so it can't happen. But there are tons out there. It's free, it's open source. Anybody can take you if they you know what you're doing. Yeah, yeah. So there will be tons of sex bots and all kinds of the porn industry will be working on this.

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I don't mean just sex robot. I'm not talking about the ones in real life again. What do you mean, you can't? Why not? Just do what? What do you want to see what it's about. Like how? Like really is. I come to a conclusion about whether it was cheating or not. If you have sex with a robot, that is I.

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I think we did and I can't remember. I think it was.

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Oh fuck it way. I think the question is, is, is it is your would your wife be happy about it? No she wouldn't. So therefore you probably shouldn't be doing it. Yeah, I think that's that's probably what is it worse than saying I'm with another woman. No.

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No. But if you've caught your message compounded by a sex robot, would you be happy?

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Looking at doing RoboCop? Because I able to go. Fuck, yeah. Yeah, you wouldn't want that, would you? But keep. Yeah. Let's just keep a lid on this, then. Probably not. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Right. What is it for? Alex Garland? Just is it like, do you know anything about his personality, or is it just his mind and how he's created these films that you were like, yeah, I quite like him.

00:30:04:12 – 00:30:24:04
I would like to have him over for dinner. Yeah. That you'd find out, wouldn't it be? Yeah. I think, it just everything it produces is interesting and it's not always brilliant. Like last film, his latest film is warfare. And, there was another one about what would happen. I can't remember the name of it now. It was like, literally came out two years ago, so.

00:30:24:06 – 00:30:47:10
And it was about what would happen if there was a civil war in the US. And it's a really interesting concept. However, it wasn't a great film. It was okay. But the concept was interesting to be talking about. Yeah. So what would happen if, like, the two political factors went to war with each other as some interesting stuff in the film, but whatever, whatever he does is interesting.

00:30:47:12 – 00:31:08:04
So that's why. Right? Well, I mean, my, my first one. Yeah. Mike Skinner, this little bit different. Alex Garland, you know, sitting down with a glass of red wine or a bottle of red wine and Mike Skinner would be up there for sure. Yeah. Revenge six. I just fucking mowing through them, just chatting about like, inevitably anything cheeky Graham.

00:31:08:04 – 00:31:41:06
Probably. Yeah. Yeah yeah it would do. And it would descend into hell yeah very quickly. Oh heaven. Whatever. Whatever way you look at the time. Heaven for sure. Yeah. I think kind of like the way that his some of his song lyrics, the quotes that he said that he's outlook on life, the way that he shoots his, music videos and he's brought out a film recently, all of that side to him.

00:31:41:12 – 00:32:02:19
I just find that hugely interesting because, you know, he was always dubbed as this pop poet, and it's like a cool thing, a pop poet. But I think it really does a disservice to him because I feel like that there is it's more to him than just being this like lager out that can string a few lyrics together.

00:32:02:21 – 00:32:25:14
And I would love to kind of have a sit down and chat with him about these different things that he's put together, like, you know, his concept album and where does that come from? And all these different experiences he's had. And like, it's not all like ease and sniff and it's like, you know, a huge different, array of things that he's gone through.

00:32:25:14 – 00:32:48:13
And, losing his father when he was younger and like, all these different things that I'd like to, I don't know, just chat to that would be like, I think he would probably be my number one podcast interview when he, when he came out, I was blown away by it. What he did that pushed things forward.

00:32:48:15 – 00:33:12:09
It was like nothing I'd heard before. And I and this has happened a couple of times in my life where I've heard something for the first time and gone, what is this? Yeah. And Mitski and, the streets, the the pushing. So it was that massively. It was like nothing that was around at the time. And each time they kept that individual like, I bought the album off of that, that single.

00:33:12:09 – 00:33:30:05
And that's what we had to do for the kids listening to this used to have to buy albums that wasn't just freely available on the internet. The minute you want it, you had to buy an album and invest in it. And that we saw that on MTV or might be the MTV base and, MTV base. Yeah.

00:33:30:05 – 00:33:48:18
Which was the most of urban. It had more sort of edgy MTV, and I just couldn't get my head around what it was. I didn't know I wouldn't I and to this day, it's hard to describe what the streets what are and is it. Yeah. Jared. Is it it's so it's like a melting pot of all of these of, of urban England at that time.

00:33:48:18 – 00:34:14:11
Because he's what's unique about him is that he sounds he's not London, he sounds like he's from Birmingham, but his accent is sort of in between. And it's and and it doesn't all rhyme and it all flows awkwardly and but it works and it was completely unique. And like I said, he remains it remains that way a fall in a way, a little bit in recent years, for sure.

00:34:14:13 – 00:34:33:19
But yeah, and there's a reason why when we went to see the streets in Brixton Academy, why would that we I've never been more excited for a gig than that one. Yeah. It's what like that would look like you were saying about the hearing on the radio. I think I've mentioned it before. Eminem. That's right. Yeah, yeah.

00:34:33:21 – 00:34:52:04
My name, my name is. And when I first heard that and I heard the lyrics, that's how the fuck is it? And then the streets, the lyrics by and by the lights. But by the lights. Station, new heights. I was like, I started laughing, I said, what fucking lyrics are those? That's where weird. Then I had to sing again for the second time.

00:34:52:04 – 00:35:17:14
I was like, oh, actually, I do, you know what I call it like this, you know, this is all right. And then it was this snowball of more information, more where is this guy from? Who is he? Like, blah blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. From from then on. And I've just really kind of he's when he puts stuff out, it's always kind of with, this artistic side.

00:35:17:17 – 00:35:38:00
I don't think I've ever really heard an interview or anything, but I really know who he is. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. That always seems to be in a front there, I see sonar. Oh, great. I keep it so he would be my. I am my number one second we got Kanye West. Are you kidding me?

00:35:38:00 – 00:35:43:18
Really? They don't understand what to say on Twitter.

00:35:43:20 – 00:36:11:16
Make it mad. Like for someone I don't I I'd love to sit down and talk to him and go, what are you doing? What? Yeah. What is driving all this? Because he's mental. Like, if there isn't an example of someone who doesn't give a fuck more than him, he literally couldn't give two shit, but at the same time comes across as the most sensitive, you know, reactionary human being that there would exist, you know, it's it.

00:36:11:19 – 00:36:38:18
He's done so many incredible things. And almost for me, the music's the least interesting part of him. But I'm not really a big Kanye West fan, I, I liked yeah, College Dropout, it was all right. Yeah, it was massive at the time. Yeah. But I'm more interested in all, like, the mad stuff that he's done, you know, like Yeezys, legitimately one of the most sought after trainers in the world at that time.

00:36:38:20 – 00:37:06:16
Now that he's they've cut ties with him for obvious reasons. And there is an irony that Adidas had done that. You know, Adidas and, you know, actually I to check my facts, I might be thinking about Hugo Boss, who designed Nazi uniforms. I was thinking out of that somebody. Anyway, don't see me. Cancel me. Yeah, but he's train is gone like the they now set in Sports direct Yeezys.

00:37:06:16 – 00:37:26:06
You can find him in sports. There is nothing to do with him. And this idea of there is nothing to do with. No, I think it's because it was like, I can't I'll have to look look into the details, because obviously he's just brought those commercial relationships disappear when you start saying shit. Yeah, yeah. And they would own Adidas, would probably own the design or the IP.

00:37:26:06 – 00:37:50:16
So they continue to in the name so they can continue to, they can continue to, to sell them wherever they want. And that's, you know, Sports Direct. Well they were selling to flannels. Do you know what's happened with that. So flannels is like flannels is where if you've got a bit of money but don't have, you don't really know how to spend it or on clothes that you might like other than Scotland.

00:37:50:18 – 00:38:10:13
It just hasn't. Tasty gear on there. Yeah, it's like football casual. Yeah. Yeah. Has like, it's really expensive for stuff that's mass produced. Yeah. I'll put up of her pieces, few bits in there. So it's not I'm not like being critical of it, but the point is, is it's owned by, Mike Ashley, who owns first the right sports.

00:38:10:13 – 00:38:29:12
The right. Is it is it really? Yeah. That's why. Oh my God. And so and they've just shut down loads of stores now. Houses, flats you loads of flannels. Yeah. In Sports Direct as well. Yeezys are in now you see Stone Island CP company in a year have seen that. Yeah that's what's happened. Fuck I didn't know that.

00:38:29:16 – 00:38:49:21
Yeah. Oh like I want to go back to. Sorry. I just want to go back to obviously. Yeah I do want to go back to that. But you when you said on the previous pod that we were talking about him and you saying that he's a disruptor, or does he want to be known as a disruptor, more than his music, or is it his music?

00:38:49:21 – 00:39:02:14
And I just thought we were really interested. Yeah, I just thought was a really interesting thing that he said last, last week about that. And I think he made. Oh, shit.

00:39:02:16 – 00:39:31:14
That. Does that happen? My back. Yeah. Oh, here I am. Ali. When he, when you said about that and I think he does like, you know, when you there's people in the fashion industry and music industry that they are the major disruptors. I think that's where I think that's where he sees himself. And obviously the more kind of outrageous and pushing the boundaries and going over the line and seeing what he can get away with it for him.

00:39:31:14 – 00:39:52:21
I guess he's seen more as a lot, you know, himself in history as a disruptor, but like, do you think you'd be confrontational to have at your dinner table, you know, like one of those. And I think it'd be a nightmare. He would, it would just take over one obviously. Want to take over. I admire this is just out of five conversations I really like to have.

00:39:53:01 – 00:40:20:18
Haven't really thought about chemistry and dynamic. Because, I don't know how much in common. Alex Garland, the Connie baby, they would have to create him and especially some of the others on the list. They would. They're very, very confused about that. So one of my, Yeah. So again, I just want to one final thing is like that latest song, the World War three song that to me is it is blown my mind.

00:40:20:18 – 00:40:45:22
I just cannot get my head around it. What the thought process of it. And I just it's. Yeah, it's just blowing my mind. I would love to talk to him about it. I'm not sure you even give me an answer, but, I mean, this is, crude as it is to be. Let's just pick the two most offensive things and stick them together with an absolute banger and be.

00:40:45:24 – 00:41:00:04
And we'll we'll get away with it. Just. You see, the world Will Be free is currently the most. I'm treating this at the check. The most viral song in Israel.

00:41:00:06 – 00:41:24:06
And I thought, how, I'm speechless. Why? How does that make sense? I don't I don't know, this is so on spot. Maybe it's just curiosity of it. And people said, if you heard this outrageous. It is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying we love this. Yeah. Also, one thing I'm confused about why I've just popped into my head, you know, like, they're not like us.

00:41:24:06 – 00:41:53:14
They not like, yeah. Yeah. Who is us? Because I'm pretty sure it ain't like middle class white people. Let's let the parodies of them dancing and singing. Like who? And there's, like, really rich kids in sort of private school, and they're singing and dancing and everyone's saying they not like us. And it's like, I don't really. I'm sure that it's been adopted as this general popular song, but yeah, I feel like, yeah, it's going well.

00:41:53:14 – 00:42:23:19
I just feel like, a lot of people are missing the point or that. Don't think about it. I just like it because, Yeah, I mean, I like, I mean, catchy. Yes. I was always of the mind of that. It's, you can take it and you can apply it to whatever you want. Really? As in, because it was always like, for me, sports people that like, you know, they're a cut above the rest, don't I?

00:42:23:19 – 00:42:42:24
An amazing basketball player, an amazing football player that they're not, like, as amazing team. They're not like us because we're the fucking tits. But then, like you said, people have taken it. Whether it is rich people, whether it's whatever. And they then using that song is to say that then not like I said, that I know I did like what you were going on.

00:42:42:24 – 00:43:07:23
I will go back to you like you might call us. That kind of contrary figure. One of my original guess was Morrissey. Yeah. And, I thought, yeah, that'd be fun. That would have a name. And just having him kind of, because he is so contrary. But I also see, I was saying it's similar to my missus l but she was like, but wouldn't it be so awkward?

00:43:08:00 – 00:43:30:10
Like, every conversation you have, he would just be against the kind of grain of it. And she was like, hasn't he said racist stuff before? And I'm like, yeah, he has. But that's not not the reason why I want him in. But it's the reason why he does have that. What's interesting about my guess is like winning this, it's that he just to me, Morrissey just goes against the grain.

00:43:30:10 – 00:43:40:24
Whatever it is, goes against the grain. And like, I know people like that, and they can be irritating, especially to day to day, but, like.

00:43:41:01 – 00:43:59:21
It's like, you know. Yeah, he just I just think he just he gets irritated by people. So therefore just goes out and says the opposite of what people think. Yeah, you love this. And, I do love the Smiths, and I just love the way that he's so fucking. I can't think of the word now, but like, it's the end of the world.

00:43:59:23 – 00:44:17:08
And so if he's at the dinner table when someone passes him, the salt and the salt shaker knocks over and a bit, just like flecks onto his potatoes, I cut my head off and fucking throw it down the sewer. My my life is done is so dramatic. And I'll just be like, this fucking guy, man. Get him in, get him in.

00:44:17:13 – 00:44:37:20
But then I also I was like, oh man, do I do. I really want him to be there for the dynamic of it? Oh, I've not come up with loads of different guests of who I'd want in there. So I think my, my, my second one, I actually went with who is it is I just feel really bored now.

00:44:38:00 – 00:44:42:02
I feel really vanilla. But I've gone with Pete Dockerty.

00:44:42:04 – 00:45:14:01
That's a masculine repeat. Okay, okay. Because Pete has that philosophical side. He has that romanticism about, Victorian England. He has that, patriotism of British values, British culture. He's got the the poetic side of him, the, romance and love novels, that kind of side of him. It's like Morrissey lite. So that's why I've picked Pete.

00:45:14:03 – 00:45:35:09
But if Pete and Mike get together, I think there might be fireworks. I don't think anyone's getting with stars that I have to when they talk about everything at this dinner party. Yeah. Why not? Let's just. Anything and everything died at the, flat. And that's how you know what you know? Yeah. Yeah, well, I think pushed him.

00:45:35:12 – 00:45:57:05
Yeah. So people at someone basically flat that Pete. Okay. He was in, in Islington in, in his in north London somewhere. He fell off a balcony and no one knows how he fell. And I think the story is that he slept and he was high and he slept, but no one really knows. But weirdly, I when I was watching that documentary about, the man fall in.

00:45:57:06 – 00:46:20:20
Have you seen it? Yeah. It's so weird because it reminds me of us going out in the not in London at that time. I like the feel of that. Of all the footage. Just reminds me where I would be in this house. Yeah, I know it would like less house parties, but, like, end of sessions do. I mean, it just reminded me so much of what's going out in, in North London.

00:46:20:22 – 00:46:37:14
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I totally I totally get what you mean. When you look back at that, it is a bit scary that we were in those situations and we weren't ready none the wiser. We were just having fun. But sometimes I was so high I didn't even know where I was, who or who I was with.

00:46:37:15 – 00:46:45:16
Honestly, I've got myself so many situations. I remember coming to one point and.

00:46:45:18 – 00:47:08:10
I think I pulled it bad and I was so high on mood that, they said that I was just talking much, you know, I don't know if you if you've ever got this high on MDMA. Right. But you just having conversations though, your brain isn't working in the way it normally that you're, you're having conversations that you think you're having with people, but you're not.

00:47:08:10 – 00:47:31:06
You're just talking to yourself. And I was doing that and she sort of made sort of woke me up, maybe come to that. I was talking about my brothers or something like that. That's all right. So sorry. Shit. Yeah. That's that time of my life. Yeah. It's like, you know, a, let's, let's have you third guess.

00:47:31:06 – 00:47:55:06
And, boy, got Thom Yorke. Oh, do you know what? She's just. Come on. Do you know what? You say? That. But I hadn't even thought about that. Really? Why didn't I even think about that? Well, for me, yeah, maybe because he's just a bit fucking of a whiny cunt. Yeah. You know, I mean, like, they just be there, like, Gary, like about the environment and about my.

00:47:55:06 – 00:48:12:03
I know it's heating up in live. Well, everything's. No where do you want me to do to the environment? Let's stop eating like me and stuff about me. Why are you telling me now? I've done the roast chicken. It's too late. You should have told me earlier. It was. Is he a vegan? Yeah, he is.

00:48:12:04 – 00:48:47:04
He. I'm not surprised. Yeah. He is. Is, He listened. He listened to me. Is murdered by the Smiths. And that's what made him become a vegetarian. Right. Good. Good one. Morrissey. I mean, for me personally, on a on a selfish level, that just so much of his music, I spend my time with the be great to chat through it, but I do I do think I'd be a little bit intimidating when I say the wrong thing about is he thought he's music and upset him.

00:48:47:06 – 00:49:03:13
Yeah, some of it is hard to decipher what it is about. Some of him. Yeah. And I would say the same about a lot of bands, like some Bowie songs don't make any sense at all when some Oasis songs don't make any sense unless you know what they're talking about, it's very difficult to find the references and apply it to normal life.

00:49:03:13 – 00:49:31:12
Some of them you can, like she's electric with. I mean, what is it about northern family? Is it about relationships in the North? Is it what is it really? I don't know, no. And there is it like. It's interesting you say that because, like, for a lot of Oasis, songs and, like, you know, I wasted my favorite band, and I've spent years watching Liam and no interviews.

00:49:31:12 – 00:49:51:03
Mainly, no, because he's a songwriter. And, I've tried to go through, like, with a fine taste and, and really understand what the song is about. And he knows what it's about, and he knows why he wrote it, but he never gives it away. You need to know I need the key from your writer. That's what I'm saying.

00:49:51:03 – 00:50:17:01
Like like talk to, like he's spoken about why you wrote that song. So, you know. Yeah, it all makes sense. Yeah, but if if you didn't know it, it would make it nice. No real sense at all. No. And like, champagne supernova. Yeah. I mean, a lot of that lyric is like, it's just. He said part of it is just rhymes, and it doesn't actually go with it.

00:50:17:03 – 00:50:37:19
It means nothing. But when you're listening to it at a certain time in your life, when you're bellowing it out from your lungs, maybe write a gig if you're at home, whether you're with mates, it means something to them at that point. And it's that, it resonates. So if you feel like I wrote that about a football match, that is what I wrote about.

00:50:37:19 – 00:51:03:08
If you feel like I wrote it about being young and in love, your first off, that is what I wrote it about. It's generic enough for you to grab onto it and make that emotion yours. But he wrote those lyrics about something in his life to make him, and I don't know what it is. Yeah, I'm. That's what I'm always so, I don't know.

00:51:03:09 – 00:51:25:08
It's that quest for the unknown. And I think that's what always, I might as well say now, you know, mustard gas is now Gallagher, obviously. Of course you fucking is. Well, I mean, Mike Skinner that night. Okay? I told you I did the homework wrong or I. You don't play people. I love them a bit. I mean, it's your mates, your day table.

00:51:25:08 – 00:51:50:18
You can do what you want, but you know what, right? I've had these, these lists for years. Right? And it's always changed. So I broke down my, my first iteration when I was, like a bit younger, and it was Mike Skinner, Liam Gallagher, Alex Turner, Pete Doherty, George Orwell. Right. If you had invited me to that table, that dinner party legitimately, I wouldn't come, I would.

00:51:50:19 – 00:52:09:07
Why not? Why wouldn't you come? Alex is there right off. And well, he got he got taken off. All right. In my, my older years. So he'd be a bit Mardy, a bit boring, a bit aloof. So it is such a toxic thought in real life. He's got to come out. You think on a very basic level, a tosser?

00:52:09:07 – 00:52:29:18
Yeah, I think so. I think I couldn't think of anything. Anybody. I'd less like to spend time with than them. Really? Yeah. I don't like it. I'm brilliant. I know, I think you know what I'm going to say already. But when they're playing games and they purposely sing a different pace to everybody else. What? What are we doing here?

00:52:29:20 – 00:52:43:15
What? We're. Yeah, yeah, we you we're here because we want to share with you your music and enjoy it. And he's just like, I don't want to sing those old songs, but I have to say, I'm gonna fuck you up for everyone. Go fuck yourself, you prick.

00:52:43:17 – 00:53:13:24
I, I, I think actively, while it's fresh in my memory. A mate of mine. Only recently, when he was younger, Alex Turner and Arctic Monkeys, when I the up interview, the Arctic Monkeys and he said Alex Turner was a total and utter cum even when he was, even when they were just up and coming, he was just like, it was like I watched this interview and the interview was beneath him, like, why am I even doing this?

00:53:13:24 – 00:53:42:13
Why should I be here? Why should I do this? And just answering in the most stupid way possible? And I exploded and had success so quickly they became they. They generated a buzz based on their own. And you remember the bootlegs were flying around. This is yeah, sort of mid in like the birth of the internet, but you, you still burning CDs and it'd be like bootlegs of bit of gigs and they just had so much momentum that you probably didn't need it.

00:53:42:19 – 00:54:03:14
Like the, it was, it was one of the first bands that went viral before via a viral virality of content was a thing didn't. Yeah, I think it's like the Myspace era. That's how they. Yeah. The first massive answer to utilize, maybe they just thought, yeah, this or that need you don't need to play the media game.

00:54:03:16 – 00:54:13:08
Yeah. He still whatever. Yeah. And you're wasting people's time, right. Don't be there. No, I agree to the interview. Tosser. He's a wanker, a big wanker.

00:54:13:10 – 00:54:29:09
Yeah. I wouldn't go to that one. I'm glad he came up the rock. Right. Yeah. He did come off the race because he had to come up the list, but I then I was kind of like, okay, I need a bit of. And then I had Liam in there and then over to now and now back to Liam again.

00:54:29:11 – 00:54:59:05
So it would be Mick, Pete and Liam that I mean those are the those are the music guys that I love that I'd love to, you know, just to be me and stuff like that. Favorite. Well it's good. So sorry. I would probably say, oh, God, that's a hard one. What does your mind go straight to turn the page.

00:54:59:07 – 00:55:28:11
Turn to do that. The the the, the the the the, the album I listen to so much that I would dream about it. I would like it would be my dreams. Terrible. My I think won't. Yeah. At the time as well. I'd just watch Gladiator like he had and I was blown away by it. And then he says about, you know, 34 or whatever, it's, thingy Roman and.

00:55:28:16 – 00:55:57:11
Yeah. And I was just like. And, you know, his hands going through the, the, which call it, fuck now I forgot now, but all of those little references that he has in the end of the party scene as well, it's just like, oh, my, I was just so easy to slide at my mum. The obvious one is blinded by the lights, but but I think I actually includes two of the people on your list reading the song.

00:55:57:13 – 00:56:01:14
Oh yeah. Do you know who it is? So.

00:56:01:16 – 00:56:18:01
He's going to say it again. What's the question? So it was your favorite street song and it was actually mine. Is it featuring one of the other people on your list that you've done so far? You'll get it.

00:56:18:03 – 00:56:23:12
Mike Skinner has featured. Yeah.

00:56:23:14 – 00:56:48:20
Pete. Yeah. He's featured. I think he's done a song with Chris Martin before. Yeah. What's on the list? Is he. Because we haven't even got that for the. No, no he is. Pete. Well, on your list. No, I'm telling you. What are you. So I said, what? One fucking favorite song and it's breaking it out, right? Right.

00:56:48:24 – 00:57:09:21
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. You're playing in, I see for you. The voice is talking to me. It ain't even funny that always. That's what. That's the song that kind of creeps into my mind when I'm having a little panic inside. Yeah. No, no, no, it's just that I know I'm, you know, going out and I'm like, oh, God.

00:57:09:23 – 00:57:29:12
You're thinking that someone. You hear the lyrics of that I'm absolutely pregnant out one of my, So I'm going to go quickly through the last two people on my list, before I do that. Well, who's your next one, by the way? DJ Cassidy's brother.

00:57:29:14 – 00:58:00:03
It's not a joke. Granddad. Alpha. Granddad. That's nice. That is nice. I've gone for, no past relatives because I'm a heartless bastard. And I'll just stay for the party. Sing. What's yours? Mine is. I've actually gone with Kathy Burke because I wouldn't mind, smoking and not stubbing cigarettes out on a chicken carcass. She's her brother is Gary Oldman, which is always blows my mind.

00:58:00:05 – 00:58:29:00
Did you know that? No. Kathy Burke is not a brother. Gary Oldman? No. What about Gary Oldman? CategoryLe Mans sister? Is that lady who was in EastEnders? Vic my shit, that was my brain done that. But I know Murray is big mouth. Gary is big money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I've done that in.

00:58:29:02 – 00:58:55:18
Kathy, but Kathy Burke grew up around my area as well, so not in North London ism. She grew up that way. Really? Yeah, she I just think she's just, like, really funny, really down to earth. And, you just need someone there, that light in some mood and isn't. Oh, airs and graces and the kind of like, like, you know, I was talking about that dynamic, the dynamic of the table.

00:58:55:20 – 00:59:16:03
I think she would slot in nicely. And I would like to have a bit of a chin wag with her about her life. And, you know, it's kind of the direction she's taken. And I remember when I was younger, you know, Kevin and Perry, The Fast Show, everything was a huge part of my life when I was growing up.

00:59:16:03 – 00:59:43:03
So I just thought, Kathy might be there to to lighten the mood. So here we are. So what are we up to? We? You. Then we got, I would either grab my grandad off. Of course I wouldn't. I there's so much of his past the way that my mum saw me so much about his life, and I really sort of taking more time to listen to him because he was always, always open to talking and, and like he was very sort of joy, jolly man.

00:59:43:05 – 01:00:09:18
And he passed away when I must have been about 15, 16. And I just wasn't interested back then. And I would be interested now, like what his role was in the Army, in the Air Force. He was a mechanic. And, you know, my mum told me a story like, when he was 39 and his dad just got on a bicycle and rode to Birmingham in search for work from Wales.

01:00:09:20 – 01:00:28:11
And they were sort of. Well, yeah. Yeah. Like, they just needed work and, and they couldn't get any in Wales where they're from in south west South Wales, it didn't have, they couldn't afford them. They were really, really poor. They couldn't afford a a car or anything like that. So they got on a bicycle and they put me.

01:00:28:16 – 01:00:49:20
Yeah, Road to Birmingham to find work. They got work when they were there. That's fucking mental into it. So, Oh. So sorry. Office. Your mum's. Yeah, I was so is it that side? I don't know what it was. Who was the one that, the leg blown off in the war? That was. That sits brother uncle Bill Bell.

01:00:49:20 – 01:01:12:00
Right? It wasn't blown off in the war. It was. It was hit with shrapnel and then had to be later amputated. Well, I see, you know, very similar you're talking about pretty bad. Yeah. I was on the beaches on in Dunkirk and I was like, oh, fucking hell on Normandy. Sorry. Normandy landings. And that is Dunkirk. Dunkirk. First of all, I.

01:01:12:02 – 01:01:17:17
Yeah. Yeah. The Normandy landings.

01:01:17:19 – 01:01:41:01
I'm up here mixed up. He landed. He was a part of the Normandy landings, and shells were coming over, and he was a part of the evacuation of Normandy, you know, and, we got loads of loads of vessels over to. Yeah, soldiers out. And a shell came over and exploded. And the metal from the casing of the shell, the shrapnel just went through his leg and it was in a bad way.

01:01:41:03 – 01:02:06:03
That was my that is. So my granddad didn't see any action because he was really good at football. And they kept him part of the morale there because obviously football in the conventional sense, in terms of the league just suspended during the war, so they would have into barracks tournaments. So you would play the barracks in Leeds and the barracks and Leeds would play the London and then East Anglian, whatever it might be.

01:02:06:05 – 01:02:28:06
And some of granddad was a captain of his Army team. So they just didn't send they, they didn't send him to war. I've never heard that in my life. That's, that's my, that's that's quality. Well I mean like, you know. Yeah. My grandmother kept out a war for being quality at football. Yeah. My Uncle Billy's tease him said there was play football during the war.

01:02:28:08 – 01:03:03:08
I lost my leg. I, you know, to do a job, you have to do a job. Is that the market? That's what I like. Isn't it a shame that that it takes us to our full eight or probably earlier for me, especially that the appreciation of your grandparents and knowing the history and their story and being, interested in it to know where you're from and the struggles they went through that once they're kind of gone, that's when you become interested.

01:03:03:08 – 01:03:30:21
That's when you that you are and invested in your own history. Because at 16 years old, I wasn't like that. Do you know what I mean? It was like, yeah, yeah. You see them? You you celebrate Christmas so east, you get 5 pound in a card and you tell them a bit of an update and stuff like that, and then once, like, I mean, I was always interested in my family, history, but like, my, my grandparents and my mum side were very much reserved.

01:03:30:21 – 01:03:50:23
So it wasn't until my grandad was dying of cancer that he actually opened up. And I learned a bit more about his life and, stopped by. He hadn't really told anyone. And now that he's gone, there's so much stuff that I'd like to know about that I don't, though, you know, I'm never gonna get the chance to put him on the list.

01:03:50:23 – 01:04:10:15
And instead of fucking Pete. Okay, well, yeah, I think I'm going to have to. Well, I know I've got one person left on the bay. Well, it was going to be me. It was going to be, for Avon because I needed a bit more, laughter and a bit more randomness on there. I might have to. Yeah.

01:04:10:17 – 01:04:57:21
Did you have any effect? You know, that obviously was part of the reason why Trump got elected. Yeah, it does actually. Yeah it does, it does. I'll be honest. The whole kind of, bro bro casting of Theo, of Joe Rogan on the other podcast that, you know, Trump went on. But the thing is as well, like Trump's, communications team or marketing team, PR team, whatever you want to call it, where they saw an opportunity of a captive audience and they thought, if we do this circuit here, we know that this audience, they follow for the certain demographic of people they follow for this amount of these certain things.

01:04:57:21 – 01:05:17:08
And we can tap into it and we can do this, that and the other. You know, that's all part of the, you know, the tactics on, on, on winning votes. And he did that to great effect, really. And the thing with Fear Run was that it was like he's a massive platform and he's he's also pro-Trump. Right.

01:05:17:10 – 01:05:35:06
So yeah. Went to his inauguration didn't he. He did. But he also had, Bernie Sanders on. There you go. There you go. But the thing is, is like what you happen I've had this a little bit myself at a much smaller degree is you get people that get very upset with you if you start. They call it platforming it.

01:05:35:07 – 01:06:00:09
Me talking to people that have political differences, which I think I just think is bullshit. I really do like is it if he treated Bernie Sanders different differently than he treated Trump, then that's a problem, right? Because you're not being fair. But if he's just had the same energy of podcast and he's that shouldn't be the like when the flat earth for people got very angry when I spoke to flat Earth or so you should be.

01:06:00:11 – 01:06:18:20
Not fucking. Of course I should be talking to him. Of course. Why wouldn't I talk to him? He's fascinating. I don't agree with what he's saying, but. Yeah. And the guy. The guy, the Spurs fan, he was a Trump vote, the gun toting sort of. He's interested in pro guns. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Right. That is mental to me.

01:06:18:20 – 01:06:50:08
Well I wouldn't, you wouldn't talk to this guy. Fascinating. Oh I have yeah. Like I'm, I'm the same as you. And like, if there are people with differing opinions, I think these, like, you know, platform and whatever you want to call it, I think it's fine to have people on your platform to talk about these things in an adult kind of conversation, to understand where they have come from and what has led them to this point, into why they believe in these values and ethics and whatever it is.

01:06:50:08 – 01:07:20:09
And it's interesting conversation to hear that stuff. But like if you're someone like, like James English. Yeah, the James English Podcast, where he is just capturing any kind of fucking anybody that's got a story. Yeah, that's right or wrong, just so that he can put content out whatever. And then it's like he puts out and he platforms him, and then he holds his hand back and saying, you know, I'm not of the opinion of what they're saying.

01:07:20:10 – 01:07:51:12
I'm just giving them a platform. What, like, why should I be persecuted for that? I'm just, you know what? We're just having a conversation. But you're totally, there's there's one thing of having a discussion with Trump and Bernie Sanders, and they are treated equally, and they are, you know, giving their point of views across. But then when you're platforming just anybody for engagement clicks and stuff like that, because, you know, that's the game that's there is a difference there.

01:07:51:12 – 01:08:18:11
Yeah I think so. I think look, I mean there is. But you also you can't argue this is your opinion. You can't argue with the success of his podcast. People want to listen to it. There are people out there who are fascinated by this stuff and they want to listen to it. And why is the if it's if there's if it's popular, it's validation that people want to hear the content that I think it's terrible crap, right?

01:08:18:17 – 01:08:40:11
Most of it. But I have listened to a few episodes and thought, there's some interesting stuff here. Yeah. I thought that, you know, he's part of his thing is talking to people that are previously or, kind of being canceled or, you know, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if Laurence Fox has been on his podcast, for example.

01:08:40:13 – 01:09:03:10
So that is a part of his thing. But you remember, there's a lot of people that get fed up with being told how to feel and think. And so what happens is, is that you seek out stuff like the James English podcast because they need to the the sick and tired of being told what they think is, you know.

01:09:03:11 – 01:09:33:09
I don't know, unacceptable. And eventually you get sick and tired of being told how to think and be. And I think like the fact that Trump is in power is a big part of that. And I think the fact that James English podcast, being successful is a big part of that. In a, in a world society that's much more based in the middle, where we're kind of accepting of everything, even if the even if you don't agree with people, then then you don't have these extreme things, I don't think.

01:09:33:09 – 01:09:57:24
And, I yeah, I just, don't I mean, like the thing that really like, just, with fear watching the thing that annoyed me, with the whole kind of, having Trump on in other people as well. It was the and Joe Rogan or whatever. And Trump won and everyone was saying, this is, this is going to be the era that everyone's going to remember.

01:09:57:24 – 01:10:22:09
That podcast was the, the platform that swung the vote. And this is the, you know, that is the, you know, the broadcast and all that, like. And then they came out and because he was getting a lot of heat for it, and he came cast to say, if you think platforming Trump on my podcast had anything to do and swayed any votes thing, you know, and it's on you and you're an idiot, basically.

01:10:22:09 – 01:10:41:17
Yeah, you got nothing to do with it anyway. And he was kind of like, hands off, don't have a go at me. I don't have the, you know, I didn't do anything. And it's like you did. Yeah. You know, you did. Hang on. Ricky, if people are just saying the broadcast got him elected, that's them going. We are not responsible for creating an environment where Trump can also get elected.

01:10:41:19 – 01:11:03:04
You know, it's a reaction to society as well. As much as it is, I know I understand that there may have been a few few more people like to everyone has to look it and go, right, well, I've, I'm, I'm essentially a tastemaker to some degree. And this is influential and people will will have voted for Trump.

01:11:03:06 – 01:11:29:04
That perhaps would have been on the fence. Maybe if were if his audience is 200,000, 300,000, you know, maybe one. Yeah. Have you a thousand people. Might of but the biggest problem is the bigger problem is, the environment that has been created that enables MAGA to, to become popular is so much bigger than a couple of podcasts even wrote.

01:11:29:04 – 01:11:52:12
Yeah. So I think, but people would like to sort of isolate these in this attack for, you know, one rather than some of the extremist stuff that I'm. Yeah. No, no, I think nothing. Right. And I know my final one is final. Emanuel Augustus, who's the a boxer who he was shot, actually. I think he might have been dead.

01:11:52:14 – 01:12:14:11
He was shot in the neck or head. But before that, he was a really interesting boxer. It's called the Drunken Master. And he would. He would have this very strange life. Even if you're not in boxing, you'd be. You'd want to watch him fight. And I'd just be fascinated about how he sort of arrived, the style when, you know, he wasn't a prolific.

01:12:14:13 – 01:12:35:13
The successful boxer. Yeah. His record of something like 38 wins and 34 losses. But he shared the ring with Floyd Mayweather and his abilities were there. But he's just life got in the way, really. But you had the most fascinating boxing style which you haven't really seen since, like and it was not disrespectful. It was a, it was an element of, you know, his style.

01:12:35:13 – 01:13:01:13
It was how he was effective in the ring. So I'd have him. I've. That's the first time I've ever heard that name. It's my favorite. Like, you are my favorite boxer. Oh, I didn't know that. You linked to him. He's incredible. I am I being stupid here by saying that? Would like the rope a dope style to create that?

01:13:01:13 – 01:13:18:17
Oh, no. Can I rope it out? Was I, I think it's Ali. When you lay on the ropes and just swing around. Right. Okay. He thought it was that. Yeah. That's a lot of them into fall sense. You're struggling. Yeah, he might have done that as well, but he was more like, do you know, who is it?

01:13:18:22 – 01:13:46:00
Ben? Whittaker. Yeah. So Ben Whittaker has definitely watched some, but. Ben, where is Ben? When? If there is a bet end. Right. Emmanuel Augustus, it wasn't. It was just about how he fought. So we take these exaggerated steps and move in and out of range and throw punches by some of these over, you know, over, over, over the top steps for what?

01:13:46:00 – 01:14:06:24
For, you know, would just and he would move around and you have a low guard and and he would land punches from angles. He was just fascinating to watch. And some people did say it was it's a bit disrespectful, but generally because he was such a nice guy and interviewed so well that it wasn't it wasn't anything that really Chris, he's criticized for.

01:14:06:24 – 01:14:37:05
But he, he it's Floyd Mayweather said it was his toughest opponent ever. Well, I, I'm going to have to have a look. This gentleman now, manual Augustus, who was your show your first Emmanuel Augustus one your granddad Alpha two. Tom, your Kanye west, Tommy Oak, Kanye West and Alex Garland. That is a strong five and my five.

01:14:37:07 – 01:15:04:05
I am going to go with Mike Skinner, Pete Daugherty, Liam Gallagher, Kathy Burke. I was going to go Theo Von, but I am actually going to swap. And actually now I, I'm going to go see Ivonne just for the, the, the dynamic and chemistry. I also want to do just a quick little, shout out to some others that I had on there that didn't make the list.

01:15:04:05 – 01:15:32:19
Mickey Flanagan, Steve Irwin, Danny Dyer, Ozzy Osbourne. I don't know how you pronounce her name. Comedian Michelle. This war, I think that's her name. Rick. Male. Bob. Mortimer. Adele. They they some other names, but they just didn't make the they didn't make the cut. Unfortunately for that, I bet they're absolutely gutted with that now, we haven't got a dilemma this week.

01:15:32:19 – 01:15:56:10
So something only you know is called the line up. And the topic for next week is, as I said before, submit by. And it was inspired by flubs mentioning all of the recommendation of the book marching Powder, actually one of The owners, they had your recommendation, bought the book for their holiday. Oh, nice, I love it. Yeah, yeah.

01:15:56:13 – 01:16:29:13
So, the recommendation has gone down well, so they want to know, recommend, watching the victory parade. So the goodness I'd recommend, you know, rewatching of the Europa League final. They might enjoy that. I would also recommend that it's, that's a DVD that they can, you know, they can watch as well the so that the book, your favorite book, your least favorite book, the ones that changed your outlook on life, the ones that you read and that you kind of a bit like at the time.

01:16:29:18 – 01:16:44:21
Do you remember that book? Maybe because it had a shark on it? Is it Rorschach test? They were reading that I was mad at that time. I thought, it's a mad book, but looking back and I was like, really enjoyed it at the time. Back to do. You said you want to read it again. I say absolutely fucking no.

01:16:45:00 – 01:17:10:08
I don't think it's a great book. I just think it's, it's it's interesting. And if you're a big fan of the jaws film, there's so many references to jaws. Yeah, yeah. I can't even really apart from the because because there's, there are, images in the book made up of text, isn't there. You remember that? And it kind of it's like a nod to jaws, and I can't remember what relevance the shark is now.

01:17:10:10 – 01:17:31:21
Like, that's that's when you don't remember the kind of context of the book. And it was this would have been mid 2000. We read that for fucking that and thought that, wrote Master Hession. I said, we've got trust me, I've got a list of every single book during that time period I've got. I've got a list of the books that I read recommended all those things.

01:17:31:23 – 01:17:48:06
You probably won't even remember this as well. You, I said about, you know, at that time, Da Vinci Code was getting loads of, press how good it was. And you were like. You were like, Rick is a pile of shit. All right, be glad I said that. But you. But you won't be able to stop reading it.

01:17:48:08 – 01:18:05:05
You said it's like crack on a page. And I was like, give me that. So I started reading it, and lo and behold, like, page turner, every single page shouldn't be the worst. Yeah, but you know, what would you compare it to in TV? It'd be like.

01:18:05:07 – 01:18:23:20
My I can't think of anything this shit enough, but compulsive enough. It's like, I don't want to say shit enough. But it felt like I was, reading Breaking Bad each episode. It was like I was just very, tense. And it was just getting to the next one, to the next one, to the next one, to the next one.

01:18:23:22 – 01:18:45:22
But we're going to be down, wasn't it Dan Brown Dan Brown? Yeah. Angels and Demons as well. Also did that one other you I hadn't read that one. No no no. So we're going to be going through our books and if you want to submit a book that changed your life, that you for that you was recommended and it was absolutely fucking shite.

01:18:45:24 – 01:19:02:07
Any of that. Send it into Ladd's unknown pot at gmail.com and we will read out your book recommendations or your not, say, book recommendations. Now we're going to go into something only you know.

01:19:02:09 – 01:19:44:05
Why something, you know the line up, lads love the pot. In the past, there have been a couple of stories that have involved weddings where the bride has had encounters with other guests. Well, let me tell you about a happily ever after with all parties involved. At the start of my sophomore year in college, a man and his daughter approached me on campus, where I was wearing my fraternity letters to let me know that he is an alumni of the same fraternity and wanted to meet us and introduce his daughter, who is coming, who is an incoming freshman.

01:19:44:07 – 01:20:09:19
That paragraph is probably the most American paragraph in my fucking life. So I was thinking that when you before you said it, it's like, oh, the American past. It's not that I've ever known fraternity. It's like compiling a paragraph. Oh, what a I want to know. I want to know what that is about life. People are really sort of like, passionate about their fraternities and where they went to university, because that's what we think right?

01:20:09:19 – 01:20:34:23
From an outside, we're like, oh, you love your fraternity. And it's like capital. Well, yeah. And you have to suck each other off when you move there and. Yeah, yeah. And like beat up a, you know, someone with learning difficulties just be accepted. Is that too much? Yeah I know, yes. I always remember Ed Sheeran saying that his wife studied in America or she's not from America.

01:20:34:23 – 01:20:47:18
I don't think that she studied. And they were driving through like where she used to go, oh my God, frat house, man. I've always heard of these things. I need to go to a frat house. She's not really. It's not that kind of big a deal. And he's like, come on, I've got a guy, I've got a guy.

01:20:47:18 – 01:21:02:22
And they they drove up to a frat house and knocked on the door to see if they would be let in, and they said, yeah, we are. We're putting in a moment. It's like stood around and there was like five guys and one guy was on the floor and he had his face superglued to the floor, and he was like, wow, it's this.

01:21:02:24 – 01:21:21:23
This is what the fraternity is all about. This guy, right? Let's have a good time to lay up. Yeah, no hazing and all that stuff. I wish we could ask questions. Yeah, that'd be good. Actually, I love that kind of that American guy. I know I've said it before, but I do love America and that culture and all of that stuff.

01:21:22:00 – 01:21:45:10
So I was right. I'm sure you can already guess where this goes over the next several years, she dated and had the occasional hookups with several of the guys in the fraternity. She eventually ended up marrying a good friend of mine from the fraternity. Yes, he knew about everything. At their wedding, there was five of us invited who had past relations with her.

01:21:45:12 – 01:22:08:17
We all decided to sit next to each other at the ceremony, as close to the front as possible, and didn't tell anyone why. When they got to the altar, you could see a wry smile from both of them as they noticed all of us sitting next to each other, grinning ear to ear. Happy to say the couple is still married to this day and have a wonderful family, and we're all still friends.

01:22:08:19 – 01:22:26:13
And that is something only we know. So you sad because you banged the bride? Who was that next? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that's quite mean. I should be out of order, if anything. I mean, yeah, can you imagine that? You look back and like, people that you've had an inkling that your wife's been with don't really want to know because that's where she is.

01:22:26:13 – 01:22:50:19
I want to know. And they're all lying next to each other, all smiling. Right? If we bang g. Yeah, yeah. Have a good wedding day. Says this bit on top and. Okay. Okay, good. That's well done. You've ruined my fucking big day. Right. Nice one. So the topic for next week is books. Your favorite books. Send them in to lots and on pod at gmail.com.

01:22:50:19 – 01:22:58:03
And until then we will see you on Monday.

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