#94 | Books | The ‘Must Reads’ Before You Die!

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I was fortunate the other night to, get on a guest list for Pete Tong's I based, orchestral like band at the Royal Albert Hall. We both were actually, and unfortunately, were unable to come to standard overlap. Yeah, I want to speak about that as well. So I don't want to speak about it. All right. Tell your story.

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I'm tending it so we, you know, we were fortunate enough to to get on the guest list. A wonderful man, James got us on the guest list, and I. I don't know what I was expecting, really unlike. But my missus and I were really into that music. My missus. So much more so than than me. Really, really looking forward to it.

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And, you know, free tickets stick me up in the roof, I don't care. It's, you know, it's free. That that would be a, you know, a nice enough experience. But when we arrived there and signed into the guest list, they said, you're in box 24. And I was like, what? Box 24. And I was looking at the tickets.

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It's like, what the fuck? And then she said, you're invited back to the afterparty at this club. It's across the road. And I was I okay? I looked at my missus and we kind of like looked at each other sheepishly, and we were trying to find our way around the, Royal Albert Hall. And we got to the part where, you know, it was people in, waistcoats and very well dressed, and they said, well, you need to go up these steps not, you know, not with you, but the pros.

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And I was like, oh, fuck, you know, okay, let's have it. So when we got there, these boxes, it was obviously Royal Albert Hall is, you know, circular shape. When we got there, we had like, individual attendants who had keys to the boxes that would let you in and out. And I was like a fucking Elvis bit on top.

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I wasn't expecting this. Went in there and there was eight seats, and it was just my Mrs. and me that I was sitting there, first of all, and then the gentleman James, who had organized it, came in with his dad and his son. So there was a few seats left and no, no one had taken them up. And then just as Pete was about to come on, the box door opened and in stepped three people.

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Sorry, there's four people. So the the three seats were taken up, and then there was a security guard standing at the back of our box and these boxes because roll out was very, you know, compact on top. And we all just dance in a way and having a good time. It's very dark in the box. And you couldn't really I mean, you could see but it wasn't you know, you weren't concentrating on who's around you and stuff.

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I was just with my Mrs. and we were having the right drink, but we're having a fucking great time. And then afterwards, when the on call was about to happen, this mystery person that, you know, that would have been like chatting to and dancing, we're having all sorts. She decides that she's, had enough and she leaves. How's that?

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Okay. Sweet. So she's gone. The door opens into the night, gone. And then James leans over to me, says, you do know who that was, right? Do you know who that was? And I was like, no, I've got no idea. Shit. That was Naomi Campbell. And I was like, sorry. And he said that that was Naomi Campbell. You've just been in a box of nine Campbell the whole night and dancing and laughing and, you know, cheering.

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And I was like, did did you did he know that you were going to be in there? He knew. But he said, when I said, why the fuck did you not tell me? And he said, one, I didn't want to freak you out. Yeah. Two, I wanted you to enjoy it and not be looking at her and thinking, I'm in a box of Naomi Campbell.

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I want you to be like, enjoy the music, enjoy Pete Tong. And he said, have you looked around the other boxes? Have we have a look next door? The box has joined to this one that's like, no. Well, I'm, I'm watching this and had a look at Davina McCall was sitting outside. Jesus Christ, I was like, this is fucking insane.

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It was a it was an utterly amazing night. And thank you so much to James for those tickets. It was a legend. I was just not expecting that at all. And, yeah, I can't I can't thank you enough, mate. I ended up selling all of that. Naomi Campbell was there. Oh, no, you didn't, did you? She was devastated when that that was.

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Get that she was I could tell she was a little bit she basically would have been much, much rather have been in London with you guys and me, waiting for me to drive back from Manchester. But such is life would do something more. Yeah. I mean, Yeah. Bless her man. Have you ever been in, like, a position where you've been with people of,

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We've done it, you know, we did the boxing, didn't we? We had the we had Ricky Hatton in another box. That was. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was. Yeah, that was pretty on top as well. Ricky. I'm just milling about being a knob. Well, he didn't really want to be there today. And to be fair to him, why why would he want to be there?

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Well, why was he there then? Because someone has paid him and said, if you sit in with these competition winners, then you can let that. Speaking of legends, Dame, you sort of does that for that was insane because he won a competition at and two higher because he builds his job is if you need I tell you what.

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If you need a garden office built, then let me know and I'll put you in by a Jamie because he's that's what he does anyway of the competition. Just on an offshoot. I think that's. You've just bought something in juice and tore higher, and, you won ten tickets. And he's like, I hate boxing long ago. And I was like, yeah, can I take all my brothers, my mates here?

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And that was it. That's fucking amazing. Yeah. If you haven't been like, you know what? You should also probably know now that there is a we've got, we would have loved to have gone. But getting back to Milton Keynes at that time of night is absolutely no tax unless we were staying in London. But we wasn't exactly expecting to go back to, an after party.

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Yeah. What was get up like a lot when you've gone to the races and, and Sky sports and all of that, like, Oh. Actually, I remember you saying that, you're in it. Weren't you in the waiting room with, Louis Frey? Yeah. We had, so James Allcock, who I've do a podcast with, but he's, you know, he's a big YouTuber and actually started to work in mainstream TV now, which is really good for him.

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But, he has a podcast at Spotify called The Ripple Effect, and it's a podcast where Louis Theroux also records his. I can't remember what the name of his podcast is, but you have these people. And he was in the studio before. Before, we were due to record with James, but I never I never, yeah.

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I mean, it's cool. His interest is interesting things happen in your day, but I don't. I'm never really kind of blown away by that. So I would never approach them or speak to them. No, I like I'm pretty kind of. I would never go up to someone and beat, oh, you blah, blah, really like your work. And I have a photograph or anything like that because I just, I don't know, there isn't anyone really the only time I think apart from Spurs players in Gilgamesh and Camden, I was pulled off my not knowing and said hello to Vertonghen and Benjamin.

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Stan Lee was you there? I was like, and then that's a chapter in his friend was there and I say 87. He said, sit down, sit down. And I told him about I won't go into the dolphin story, but there was an awful story about dolphin and a former player, Nacer Chadli, that we made up in a podcast that went viral.

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And I asked him about it, and he didn't have a fucking clue because I obviously don't do anything in social media. But he was very friendly. I thought I wouldn't do it normally, but like I say, I wouldn't. I, I was, I wasn't in the right mindspace to make sensible decisions. Yeah. I always find it a bit awkward.

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I think I'll probably like Liam and know just to get that on on camera, that because that that. Would you be worried about being mugged off? Yeah, I would totally. But you've got to take your chances because there's a high chance with someone like Liam Gallagher that he might just go fuck off me. Nah, Liam would be. Liam would be fine, I reckon now would tell me to go fuck myself.

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Yeah. And that would be pretty. You know, when they say never meet your heroes, that is the one thing that I would be, kind of like, actually, actually, you know, like my dinner guess from the last week. So Pete took a mike skin. Liam and now getting photos for them. I think that would be my about the only people I.

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Yeah, I know, it's so called Brett Millet about them as well. All the time. Like, she wants her. Yeah. I used to see, Jim. Jim Archer. That's right. Yeah. It crouched in Crouch End all the time. Yeah, yeah. Joe's the most famous and best person we know now. And he lives in Crouch End. Ben Haines.

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And lives in Crouch End. Yeah. No, I really. Yeah, shit. Bought me a voice note the other day. He loves it. He loves a really positive voice note. There's our friend Ben, but some people don't know. Ben Haines is like the face of Spurs in terms of, like, media, like interviewing players pitchside. Yeah. And I've known Ben a long time like before, but he worked for 90 men.

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We used to do some sort of collaboration work about ten more than ten years ago now. And he's always been sound, but the guy's a solid gold. Really nice geezer. Anyway, what a lovely voice. And so now, you know, like the part in that, He's what? He's one of the nicest guys. They go out of their way to be funny.

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I'm like, if you're like, right? And you think I'm going to do something like that, reach out to someone telling they've done a good job. It means a world. It really does. Like if you notice something and someone's doing good, or you notice someone who's working hard, or someone who's achieving like it doesn't matter what position you're in, if you reach out and send a text when he's gone.

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I just noticed your hard work and you're doing amazing stuff. It goes a long way. Yeah, I, I say to my missus, right. I like, I, I see people on Instagram and I always call because I am a believer in if you put out this positive energy that karma, whatever you call it, it comes back to you.

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I think I see people doing, doing well that I know I'm, I'm always are wrinkled. Nice. Perché so or whatever it might be, if they have gone out there, why are they completing the course or whatever thing that I went to school with, people that I know and I always got my way. If something is impressed me enough to beta to make me think, I will tell them because it makes people, you know, feel good and it's putting that energy out there.

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But sometimes I get a one word reply and I'm like, is that it? But I want a bit more than just or how on the on the message that that's what the reason you said I know, I know it's not origination. But but then when I just get nothing back and I'm like, I'll write fuck you then.

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Yeah. Pathetic little fat man. No one's bloody laughing. Man, I love, I love extras. Let's, speak. I want to put. Let's do it.

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Dim night, hazy light. Band of brothers playing tunes high as quiet. Midnight waves. Surfing through till daylight breaks. Rhythm hit us different ways. Love of music that we played with our tongues in cheek. Bands I we like to speak and yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Brothers. Hello and welcome to Lads anonymous. It's episode 94.

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I'm Ricky, he's flat two best mates. One main topic. We answer your life dilemmas and confessions. And I feature something I only you know. And everything remains anonymous. So sit back, relax and enjoy the pod. How's it going, Flav? As we mentioned at the top of the show, that you were unable to come to the gig that we went to and you were on Sky Sports The Overlap, to kind of preface this episode that you're on, I know you don't want to talk about it, but it is in the in the realms of, we won't talk about in football, but it's in something happened on a previous episode, and this clip has gone

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super viral like it's not only has the clip gone viral, but people across the planet have cut up the bits that you said and the bits that Jamie Carragher said and then spliced it with a lot of, you know, Tottenham content. So this piece of content has gone mega, right. And then see you've kind of proved Carragher wrong in the most insane, glorious way.

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So he said something. He said we couldn't win the Cup. There's no chance that Spurs could win the Cup in a final European final against Monday night. That's right. And I just said just you wait. Yeah. And like you say, it's been clipped up quite a lot because we did win. That's right. So you were back at the Overlap on Thursday.

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Thursday. Yeah. We'll say it like because you must have had so much contact over that. Yeah. Loads. And as a, as a human and getting that much kind of like engagement and attention, people poking you, prodding you, what are you going to do? What are you going to say? This is what I would do. Have you thought of this?

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It must ever get on top of you. You just take it in stride, I don't care, just no rock up and doing my thing. Mostly I just turn the notifications off and I don't see anything. Mostly, But on Instagram, you can't do that. You can't, like, turn off notifications for individual posts, so you get everything. So there's a couple of things you got.

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So you're on Instagram. You have to do you get requests to be a collaborator because you don't get a fee for the overlap for it's nominal. The value is in the fact that it's a successful show and that you're it helps promote the podcast and gets you further opportunities. And you get you get a lot there's there's there's benefits in-kind rather than fiscal ones.

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So and obviously to maximize that you kind of sharing reels. They share the rail with you on Instagram and you have to accept it. And if you want it to appear on your timeline. So when you do that, so so I'm not complaining about the amount of attention it got because I can't do I can't complain about, you know, sharing an Instagram reel and then it gaining traction.

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But that clip went mental. And outside of that. So people like you say were taking it and repurposing it for for TikTok. And like I was scrolling through TikTok. It's really alarming. Sometimes when you just see your own face, suddenly, you know. Yeah. And one of them had like 40,000 likes. And I'm like, and that must have been half a million million views.

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And the wow. Instagram, the clip, the clip, the overlap shared off directly after we won the game got a million. So that's like that's mental for for people to sell a million people have seen that. And so yeah he got a load of it. That's God fuck it. Because I've what I've realized is when I, what I see the overlap is it's just a bit of content.

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You're just having a basic conversation about football and there's a little bit of needle, but it's not that deep. People take it really seriously. That show. Yeah. And they want you to be something that that or they put themselves in. You said, well, I would have said this. I would have said that. Why didn't you say this?

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And you got to bear in mind, right. You got to you got Paul Scholes sitting there. He's won the league 13 times.

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And you've won about 30 titles in his career but won the league 13 times. Yeah. I mean yeah, that's more than almost every other English club combined. Yeah. Like if you think about the amount of debt that they might for in a sense, but loads, loads of teams have won the league is my point. So and on top of that is that you get it's quite concise.

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They have to get through a lot. So it is it it's not it's not easy for you afterwards you driving back. It's like a four hour drive up their four hour drive back. And I'm thinking like. And you do think I should have said it this way because you are acutely aware of how popular the show is, how much you're.

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Yeah. And you think that they can land as well as I wanted it to do you do think like that? But in the title you just got to go with what comes out of your mouth. And yeah, so this was more stressful because I knew more people were going to be watching it because of the clip. So I didn't enjoy it.

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To be honest. My, I mean, what where what's, I mean, yeah, what's to be enjoyed about it, really? I've done it for about 40 times. So the novel is sort of gone. I love listening to pros talk about a game, for sure, but then on top of that, you've got like loads of people and then afterwards people criticizing what you said and you're like, oh my God, you know, I mean, you can't really win.

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No, not really. So and then that's why I turn turn on notifications off. I don't really whether there's a benefit to reading everybody's comments. Basically no I know I'm not mad celebrity. I don't have any training in having this much attention. I don't have any. It's just just a bloke. We just we just we've met, we talk into a microphone and so you're kind of like, yeah.

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I guess people listen to the podcast and they develop a relationship with the podcast and expects something or other. It's weird. Yeah, well, I mean, especially with the overlap as well, because your and everyone else is a representation of your football club on how you want your football club to be perceived and how you want that fan to act and to know and stuff.

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So I get why people are like, oh, you could have been this or done that or whatever. But at the same time, I would never go out of my way to type those words because it just isn't that deep, you know? I mean, because they didn't stick up for when they were arguing with a Liverpool fan. Oh, you should have said this.

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And I'm just like, but yeah, that's that sort of stuff's happened since I started doing it for five, 4 or 5 years ago. So I that bit was category really sort of. Yeah. I really pulled your pants down was I made it so well that I really kind of like. It's not. They expect you to say exactly what you what they want you to say within that moment.

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You're just reacting to the question. You don't need to know exactly how the questions can be framed. So it's not like you can you can kind of prepare some stuff, but anyway. Yeah. Do you think you do you think they'll be, as you move forward? Like there's a lot of, shit on LinkedIn or social everywhere about personal branding and about lifting yourself up, and you're the kind of the commodity and you're the one that's doing the selling of your brand.

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And we're told to go out there and film everything for ourselves. And appear on that podcast, go on that show, do this, do that, and whether it's for business or whatever, but that when things come on top that we're just not equipped to deal with it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But there's like there's loads of, there's, there's a few content creators within, the industry that I've seen that have said things that, let's just say unpalatable ten years ago.

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And they've been brought into the, you know, to everyone's attention now, and, you know, they're being hauled over the coals for it. But. A human isn't used to receiving that much attention and hate and negative comments and stuff like that. And I just feel like, I don't know, we're not I kind of got used to it now, though, you know, isn't it isn't this abnormal?

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Right. There's nothing natural about having, you know, being famous like a movie star that's completely, that's not that's nothing to do with nature. Nothing. It's like the polar opposite of what's supposed to happen. You're not supposed to be known by millions of people. And that's not what I'm saying. It's not me. I'm just saying, like, this week has been, like a little glimpse into that to some degree.

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And, Yeah, but that kind of like, abuse you get from people that don't know you, that I'm sort of hardened to that. Now, I've read stuff about people hating me every day, pretty much with that. It's such a fucking mental thing to say. Yeah, I went on the I went I looked at the comments yesterday of, which I don't usually do very, very well on YouTube, but I thought, I'm gonna I'm gonna watch it back and see if see what I think.

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And then just as a couple of people, it just. I fucking hate this geezer is a fucking moron. But but but we've. I thought that about people on telly all the time. That. I mean, when someone irritates me on something, I'll tell it off like he's a fucking wanker. Probably like my dad hates everybody. It's so mad boom like that.

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He won't go around there. He'll at least list off it at some point. Like I've gone round to watch Champions League final with him tonight. He'll tell me he hates at least 4 or 5 people hate him, hate him. He'll bring up Sadiq Khan, he'll bring up making love for me. I will, I'll text you. How many people?

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He said he hates. And I've told him a dad, you've got to stop being so negative. Like it's like we drove. I thought it would be a nice day out for the in the car with him. Drive to, Bicester Village. Right. Maybe do a bit of shopping, get some food. Would, That's not racing, right? Not if it had been about a year ago.

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Maybe. Maybe before that I should know. You know what it is, actually. But it's before the wedding, so 2020? Yes. About four years ago. Does it feels like. Yeah, I get it. This is, you know, fairly close to me. Is it. Oh yeah. Yeah. You, you getting to the point where you'd been annoyed if I hadn't mentioned it.

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Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we kind of. I want to go back around together. Okay. Right. Good. What do you want to go through? They are in Bicester. Yeah, I'll take that with the money. Yeah. All right. Okay. That's it. Yeah. To make up for the fact that we didn't come milk, I'll bring all. Oh, I'll take all.

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Yeah. When she has the next day out, day off. It has to be a weekend. Right. Yeah. That's cool. Oh, no. It could be any time. How can it be if you've done a working? Well, I mean, like, she'd be working for herself. So she can be close now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They started. Wow. Yeah. All right. So she can give us half an afternoon off.

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We will we'll we'll drive down. Go away. Anyway. So I'm in my car with my old man, and he's he's, It must have been. He was he was moaning for an hour before I said, dad, you've got to stop. You've all you've done. So he's got in his car and fucking moan for an hour. It is exhausting to listen to.

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We're supposed to be having a night, day out and all you've done is moan about everything, say something nice. And I've been working on him. He's not, I don't feel I think he's just built with that sort of light. And it's not when you meet him he's, well happy. Yeah. He is, he really is. I mean, maybe it's just the the older that you get, the more angry you get.

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What's the too much news I never yeah I never I would turn off exactly. Speaking about news. Yeah. Should we go on to today's topic. Was it news? No. Well, what did you say? Speaking of the news in books, but. Well. Right. But the books, and the books that have influence and affected your life, and the reason why I say news is because I know which one you're going to say first, which is your, world.

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No, we're probably going to say so what is. Okay. What's the most influential book that you've ever read? Well, yeah, the obvious one. The one that springs to mind. And I think people who've listened to any podcast I've done in the past will know what I'm about to say. But 1984. Yeah. You know, I mean, I don't know if influenced is the right word because it's.

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I just it just blew my head back. That's what it did. I read it and I was like. And it was a gift from my brother, which made it even more special. 2002 you got it for me. So I've got the book. I'm still and he signed it, said knowledge is Power. So the caption was on it.

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Rain. Cool. And so I read the book and it just, I was like, this is incredible. Like, it's the first book I read by George Orwell. And, yeah, it was in the first I. That was the book I recommended to you to read, wasn't it? First. Yeah. It was. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, it was just, it was just great.

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But in terms like, I sometimes the longer the more time is passed, you realize that it's quite crude. Comment on society is quite blunt in its application. Yeah. And isn't really at all like there's some stuff he predicted, but computers, for example, tele tele printers or something like that in the, in the book. Yeah. But and sort of messaging through tubes and stuff like that.

00:27:28:17 – 00:27:49:24
But it, it actually isn't anywhere near it's not an accurate description. He got it wrong. Right. Whereas Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, he got it right. He that was so much closer and so much more accurate prediction of of the future. But yeah, in terms of the first book to truly blow up, blow my mind, that would have been in it for you.

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So okay. Is it like, is that when you started reading when your brother got you, that book was you. Do you read before? So I seem to remember that, only met used to like, hadn't you read all fucking, What a story. Lord of the rings. All right. My mum, my mum got me reading when I was about eight years old.

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Right. Okay. Right. Yeah, I would read every day pretty much. I. Yeah. My family was never like that. My dad died as well. A lot. And and and Valerie, my stepmom, she read all the time as well. There was always reading going on. Yeah. It's really interesting it because my household was never like that. So it's just my, my mum and my sister.

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The only books I read was books that was made to read at school. Yeah. What was it? The, what was a book that I had to, So what was my segment? Go to bed. Did you not read a book? No. I don't know why. Your eyes. Yeah, because it was. I understand that I often worry that a fucking poltergeist is going to get me.

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Yes. Twice a day. I, I think I think you can understand why kids don't read now. Because phones are so easy, but. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah. No, I there's something to do in it. Yeah. I just yes. So when only so I can read. Although I enjoyed read and then when I came down to London and every time I'd visit your flat, you'd be like, have you read this book?

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No, I haven't tried to write it. Take that back with you. Have you read this? I would say every time I'd go back to my flat with a pile of books that you'd given me, for me to read. It's like homework. But at that time, I was just like, who've read up books, man. Like, it was just one thing.

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Yeah, one thing that I. That I remember this time, a mate of mine, Susan, his name is. And he always used to have a comment about something, but he never watched it, or he'd never read it, or he had no idea about it. And he used to really warn me up that he was so definitive in his answer of his impression of on other shit.

00:30:09:22 – 00:30:26:24
And I'm like, yeah, I've read it. No, I haven't, but, you know, share. And I used to it just, I used to think, well, I'm going to read it, I'm going to read that book, I'm going to watch that film. And I can tell you with kind of conviction of what it's about and stuff like that. It's a very small thing.

00:30:27:03 – 00:30:49:20
But then when I started reading, obviously, and then I started making my way through loads of classic literature of, you know, the top 100 books and stuff like that that you must read before you die. And I had this plan to read all of them. And then I start eating my way through all of these books. Some of them, but not absolutely great.

00:30:49:20 – 00:31:16:17
Some of them were absolutely terrible, and I wouldn't recommend any of them. Now, I don't know how they got on to be the best. Maybe it's the best book at the time. So I've got a list here and the ones that I kind of, I mean, so when I was in London and I would be getting busses and trains everywhere, I'd be reading nonstop all the time.

00:31:16:19 – 00:31:46:04
And most books that I read, I could read them with ease. But this book in particular, I would. I feel like I was crying in the inside, like crawling on my fingers, the pips crawling through it was, Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte. I. And then. Then the next one is, well, while they're in heights, Emily Bronte.

00:31:46:06 – 00:32:12:05
Emma Jane Austen. I know these are female classic books, but I always like reading them. I was like, this is fucking shit. If you're if you're into Orwellian language or like Cormac McCarthy style writing, which is quite masculine, quite blunt and quite concise. Yeah. And that stuff isn't going to float your boat, is it? Just it, I find, I find it all too flowery.

00:32:12:07 – 00:32:32:01
I couldn't really read it. Yeah. But it's one of those things like that. Like, like I was saying, how can I make comments about these things? I've, I if I haven't read them or don't know them and, you know, yeah. But you know, so I had you're not going to like, if you don't like musicals, even the best one you're not going to like.

00:32:32:04 – 00:33:03:24
And, I mean, so you don't have to. Yeah. That's true. You actually. Yeah, I could have done with that information earlier. My thanks. I mean, it's a good idea. It's nice to test yourself in it. And and I don't know, it's like a, another one as well. Thomas Hardy, Tess of the d'Urbervilles. One guy, Thomas Hardy, said, mate, it's so hard trying to read that stuff, but at the same time they sit at the top of, you know, they're in the pantheon of classic literature.

00:33:03:24 – 00:33:24:24
But my mom made me feel my mum loves them. Right. And I remember talking to my mum about Thomas Hardy specifically, was reading, what was it? It might have been tested. It was actually, it doesn't matter. And and I was like, why do it take so long to get sort of for the, for the, the narrative to move on.

00:33:24:24 – 00:33:48:18
And I want to get to the next bit and, and she said, you've got to remember at the time when that was written, there was nothing there was no point of reference. People weren't freely moving around. You had to create the scene. You had to describe it in the most descriptive way possible. Yeah. People didn't have a point of reference that you had to build the imagination for them, and that always stuck with me.

00:33:48:18 – 00:34:11:09
But I didn't read that shit anyway. You I mean, did you did you ever read any of that, like, classic lit stuff? No. Not really. Yeah, I read, I've read. Well, have I read? I read the Crime and Punishment. That was good. I thought that was going to be difficult to read. It wasn't very well.

00:34:11:11 – 00:34:33:22
Was originally written in Russian, wasn't it? Crime and Punishment. Yeah, I'd put that up in probably my top ten. Probably. For sure I read it, I would, yeah, I did read it and I remember you'd read it, you'd given it to me or recommended it to me. And back then is when I was, massive weight maker.

00:34:33:24 – 00:34:56:06
And I came back to Milton Keynes to see film. I might have made it all kind of met up to get stoned one evening and back then, because when you, when you roll in spliffs, you normally have like a tray that you roll with the spliffs on and someone had it. So I needed something to rest on. And I had a book in my man bag.

00:34:56:06 – 00:35:17:06
My beautiful Lacoste, man bag that I had. Yeah. And that's where I had all my, you know, weed paraphernalia and then my book and I got out Crime and Punishment, and I was rolling this spliff, and someone grabbed the book from underneath me and was like, what the fuck's this? And I was like, oh, it's a book.

00:35:17:06 – 00:35:54:13
And they were like, Crime and Punishment was about like, like punishment and torture. And that I was like, nah, nah, nah. And then they saw like, Hey, Theodore Dostoyevsky! And the name was, oh, I'm Ricky and I read books and I live in London, and I'm so better than you and blah, blah, blah, and I, I remember then was the first time that I knew people were a bit, maybe not resentful of me, but like, you know, when someone tries to either better themselves or try a new experience or try and do something different.

00:35:54:15 – 00:36:14:12
And I had moved to London. And like a lot of the people that I know lived and always lived in Milton Keynes, so is that thing of that. Not only had I gone, to live in the nation's capital, London, but I was reading and trying to develop and grow as a person and try and broaden my horizons.

00:36:14:14 – 00:36:39:21
And that was the thing that really stuck in my mind. Right. All right. How dare you fucking pull yourself up by bootstraps and try and get on in life? It's like, fuck, man. And I remember the whole evening was like, you know, doing Jeeves impressions and fucking God knows what else. And I was like, wow, you know, when Liverpool win the league.

00:36:39:23 – 00:37:08:10
Yeah, you kind of hate it and hate them for it. Yeah. Because it isn't happening to you, I guess. Yeah, sure. Generally it's like, When you just hold a mirror up to people's inactivity. I think that's a good point. And maybe that's why, Yeah. Sorry. That wonderful attention. Yeah. But. Yeah. Crime and punishment. Yeah.

00:37:08:12 – 00:37:36:11
Yeah. Right. That that was again that was that was a great book because it's just reading about someone's emotion and how they, it's almost kind of like the character was just being, what's the word I'm looking for now? I can't think of the word. I'm looking for it just, you know, the his emotions weighing on him and swinging from side to side of that.

00:37:36:11 – 00:37:59:05
Those types of emotions of of what they had done and how heavy weighed on him. But yeah, it was, it was a great book. And around that time as well, I've because I remember I wrote down some other, some other books, do you remember there was, you I don't know if you read this one, but you recommended it to me.

00:37:59:05 – 00:38:27:09
Naked lunch by, Williams. All right. Yeah, yeah. Well, I just I might, and this is, I mean, that was considered to be. That's considered to be like a modern classic. And I'm like, it's just nonsense. This is a stream of consciousness. Maybe I didn't get it. I probably didn't get it right. But you can. You have you can only you can only, you can only absorb things and, and react to them in the way that it feels right to you.

00:38:27:10 – 00:38:59:07
I just put the holy shit so I can actually be. I could actually be reading a book here with a structured narrative that makes me think. And he said it was just a mess. It felt like a stream of consciousness. But yeah. No, it was, I think it was a lot to do with his technique where you would edit a couple of sentences together and then the whole book, whole page, you would chop it all up, rearrange it, and it would still say the same kind of narrative or a different narrative.

00:38:59:07 – 00:39:16:15
And it was just one of the hardest books to read. I remember there was a lot of bombing in it, though, which I was like a bit like fucking a there's a lot of heroin and bombing in this book. So I was kind of like, I mean, that opened my eyes and got me really reinvigorated to read more.

00:39:16:17 – 00:39:49:08
But I was like, fuck, you know, that was that was an intense read. And then after, like with 1984, George Orwell and for me, like you said about, it was like blowing your head back and I, you know, as, I don't know, young 20 year old and coming from Milton Keynes and not really knowing anything about the world, moving to London hadn't really I didn't know anything about myself, really.

00:39:49:08 – 00:40:14:08
I didn't know anything about, the world around me and to kind of have this concept of what I'm reading or what I'm listening to is it could be edited or made up or deleted or I'm being I'm only being told what they want me to know and what they want me to think and what they want me to feel and do.

00:40:14:10 – 00:40:37:17
That concept had never entered my brain in my life, and it was only then thinking what? What am I reading now? Is, is any of this real? You know, I mean, yeah, I guess you go through that and then you come out the other side and then you kind of like just like take everything with a pinch of salt and get on with your life.

00:40:37:21 – 00:41:16:03
But also it's like the, the whole book, the 1984 is, is about hopeless. Everyone is as well. Right? Because, you know this. You know the truth is being edited and you know your book be politically being controlled. And the vast majority of people, you know, like, for example, there's a I remember watching the documentary about schooling in Israel and schooling in Gaza and, and they looked at how both school sets of school kids were being an Dutch, indoctrinated to the particular beliefs of that region.

00:41:16:05 – 00:41:50:09
Yeah. And a lot of it was like anti Israel and and anti causal anti Palestine. And and that for both of those groups of kids was complete reality and the absolute truth. And you couldn't tell them any different. So you then realize when watching that is that the what you believe regardless of whether or not how strongly you think it to be true, it's all nonsense because we're all part of a sometimes subtle and sometimes direct indoctrination of a certain set of beliefs.

00:41:50:11 – 00:42:12:20
We think the way we live here is correct, and people think otherwise in different areas of the world, right? People feel so strongly about Brexit and so strongly about, remaining in Europe because they've been told to think that way. No one's no one's assessing the world and going, right. This is my opinion. You're just absorbing bullshit. Other people are fed you constantly.

00:42:12:20 – 00:42:43:21
Everyone. That is true for the vast majority of people. So. You know that. And you just get on with your day anyway, that's what 94 is. That's the end. Winston falls in love with Big Brother. Yeah, he is, he is. What can I do about this? And that's. Yeah. That's what. So that's what. So that was so interesting about it that I won't spoil the book, by the way.

00:42:43:23 – 00:43:10:12
That's just literally the last sentence in the book. The themes in the book or what make it brilliant. Yeah. Have you got any other books that kind of, Darkness at Noon, doctor? Yeah, I love that. It was about the Moscow Trials. And the vast majority of it was in, a man's cell, and he was communicate with his cell cellmates through knocking on the knocking on the, on the walls.

00:43:10:14 – 00:43:39:19
Yeah. And they're all in there on trial in Russia, and I can't remember exactly what I've done, though, is kind of a it was in the end, I think people, the Russian officials and military and were being put on charge for things that shouldn't result in, you know, your execution or something like that. So it was this crazy time of conspiracy and, mistrust in Russia.

00:43:39:21 – 00:44:16:20
Johnny Got His Gun was the most disturbing book I've ever read. That was by these that by Dalton Trumbo, I think is. And the. Was that so? It's a, avoid the. Is someone done a song something Metallica. Something like that. And I can Google it. It's an unsung. Yeah, yeah, it's, there's loads of people of covered Metallica, right.

00:44:16:22 – 00:44:37:02
Oh that one. Yeah. No, it's called one, isn't it. Yeah. Someone actually wrote that in that anonymous before and told me that song Johnny Games one of them. Yeah. Well yeah, the Metallica song, as I mentioned, Johnny got his gun before on this. No. All right, I don't know you. My gun. All right. Well, so when I was, when I was, when I worked for exposure which is you've charity you've made a charity.

00:44:37:02 – 00:44:54:07
There was this kid who had a really rough time and didn't really have any father figures or anything like that, so he was going for his GCSEs, and I said that I'd read every book that he read, for his GCSE English and John. Wow. Yeah. It was, it was a lot of his war literature. He was like, Johnny got his gun all quiet on the Western Front.

00:44:54:08 – 00:45:22:17
It was all very grim and depressing, you know, but I just did an excuse to read stuff I wouldn't have read. Johnny Got His Gun is a book. It's an anti-war book about a man who, is caught up in an explosion or some sort of shelling, and he, he has loses his arms and legs. He loses his sight, is his ability to hear and his lower mandible is blown off as well.

00:45:22:17 – 00:45:47:17
So he's he can't speak. He can't make a quality of life, terrible quality of life. And he, he community with the majority of the book is as I remember it is in his brain. You're listening to his inner monologue. Fucking hell. But the he's he's interaction and he's kind of ability to understand time passing during the day.

00:45:47:19 – 00:46:06:14
And he, he works out that he can communicate with his nurses because he's in a war hospital, by tapping the back of his head on these, pillow, like a gloves. Yeah. And so that that's the kind of set up. And I think he ends up, I won't I won't spoil it just in case people don't read it.

00:46:06:15 – 00:46:25:04
Why you'd want to read it, but I don't know. But, it's, it's essentially a comment about war, for obvious reasons. Yeah. That Slaughterhouse-Five that I mentioned that it's fucking. That's. Yeah. Part of my favorite book or second favorite book sort of reading. Yeah. I've got so it goes tattooed on my arm. Yeah. See. Yeah, that is true.

00:46:25:04 – 00:46:40:01
That is. Yeah, yeah. I didn't think of that. I mean, I read it and I liked it, but it wasn't like, Do you like Kurt Vonnegut though? Because you have to is kind of an acquired taste. Yeah. I mean, it was, it was one of those books that you thrust in front of me and said, read that.

00:46:40:01 – 00:47:00:19
So I did, and I was like, yeah, yeah, I'd like to. It wasn't well, but. And if anyone likes Kurt Vonnegut resistances and they want to listen, read my favorites as well. I that was my favorite. But it's Slaughterhouse-Five and Cat's Cradle. Cat's cradle was so good. It's about ice nine, about, a weapon that can turn all water to ice.

00:47:00:21 – 00:47:07:21
Yeah. Just by adding this, substance to it.

00:47:07:23 – 00:47:32:14
Interesting. I'm not going to read about you. But I did want to ask you actually, because I will that there's a list at the end I'll bring up. But I did want to, ask you like we've got all these like classic lit books that we've, that we've read and stuff like that and, and everything else in your like 40s.

00:47:32:16 – 00:48:06:24
Do you still read now? I haven't read a book since I finished Game of Thrones. When was that? 12 years ago. Really? Yeah. Well, I've listened to audiobooks. I haven't read. I haven't read an actual physical book for that since then. I'm like, is there is there a reason why? Well, I, I could Game of Thrones.

00:48:07:01 – 00:48:40:24
It was an experience I'll never get to enjoy again. Like I'll never there won't be a greater, more sprawling, more incredible story. I'll never be able to find anything as incredible as it. Wow. It was. It took me about six years and fucking I've. I've got the books and I'm holding my hands up here, but they, The book, the book is if all the books together are about 70cm wide.

00:48:41:01 – 00:49:03:23
Fuck yeah. And some books are actually free books. So there's like three different books for that part. And so, well, it isn't actually, it hasn't been finished. So he still doesn't fucking idiots, doesn't finish the books. So there's two missing at the end that he's still working on at the moment. Is that the, fire and ice thing?

00:49:03:23 – 00:49:23:22
Right. Song for Fire and Ice. Yeah. I thought he brought out that Game of Thrones. So it was. So something come out fairly recently about the dragon that I watched that. Yeah. Not the end of the book, not the end of the. Oh, house of Dragons. House of Dragons. Yeah, yeah. He wrote other books around the George R.R. Martin.

00:49:23:22 – 00:49:47:07
I think he's right. Books around Game of Thrones that don't that aren't in A song for Fire and Ice. They're like before, but. Right. So that's why I say stuff like that as well. But but what I'm saying, he's like, I wouldn't put that in my I wouldn't put it like it's the best book I've ever read because it's just a bit sappy in it, like wizards and dragons and tits.

00:49:47:09 – 00:50:10:00
But but that's how it sounds, right? But, it's incredible. Like, you think the TV series is amazing. It's it it's. They can't even light a candle to the books because it's just different formats. You can't do it on TV like they did in the books. It does. Incredible. So it's finished that. And I'm like, what book could I possibly pick up now?

00:50:10:03 – 00:50:54:00
So I didn't. Yeah. And it just carried on and I for me social media is I totally and utterly destroyed my ability to concentrate for prolonged amount of time to pick up a book and read. And I, I think the last book that I picked up and I've tried to read it so many, so many times, and I get, you know, a good 20 pages in, I put it down and then I forget about it, and then I pick it back up and I'm like, I have to read the reread these pages and it's, I can't even remember what was kidnaped by a collar and a what.

00:50:54:00 – 00:51:25:11
The wrap is sort of. Yeah. And wrap up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's, it's just about Britain and and his upbringing and stuff like that about race and identity and stuff and, and it's supposed to be an amazing book. And at that time in my life, it, you know, I was struggling with a lot of my identity, and, when I was going through counseling, but, like, I try and I, I know I should read it.

00:51:25:11 – 00:51:45:24
I know I should, but it's, you know, it doesn't, you know, it's really hard. I know what you should. But if it doesn't rhyme with you. If it doesn't. Yeah. Then then you don't. You don't have to read anything I don't like. You have to get on with things or don't do anything. I think you're wrong because it's like so kind of you can relate to it.

00:51:45:24 – 00:51:58:13
And the problems expressed in it directly relate to your upbringing and these are gone through. But if he doesn't, if it doesn't chime with you, you didn't. It doesn't. I don't know why, but just find a pin.

00:51:58:15 – 00:52:32:11
Do you read any like self-help, self-help books or anything like that? Like, or like, what's that fucking one that everyone read at a time? Visualization. The secret. Is it? Yeah, I've read the secret. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's fucking shit. It's like the. So cheesy. But if you read it right, I, I have read it, but it was again, it was like I was reading, but nothing was ever going in my head.

00:52:32:12 – 00:52:53:23
It's nothing. There isn't much, there isn't anything. It's not an enthralling read or anything. It's it's just the law of attraction, right? So if you focus on something, then that's so in the way the book presents this, is that your the universe is listening to your desires, and the universe will provide you with whatever you desire. That's it.

00:52:54:00 – 00:53:16:13
Right? Right. But what? So that is nonsense. Obviously the universe isn't listened to. You want a new bike and therefore you get a new bike, right? It is. The universe needs. So it's priorities out, right? Because there's tons of people with all, but what it does do is it enables you to focus on or if you put it into practice.

00:53:16:15 – 00:53:35:04
So it's positive affirmation. So you wake up each day and you go, right, well, what am I happy with? I used to do this. I don't do as much in my budget, I will, I've got my health, I've got a roof over my head, my kids healthy. I'm in a loving relationship. I am luckier than 99% of the people on this planet.

00:53:35:04 – 00:54:00:21
And that's true, right? Yeah, very 99.9%. Yeah. Whatever. So it's a positive affirmation aspect to it. So that puts you in a good mood, which push propels you forward to have a better day. And you would have done. But it also there's this idea of like fixating on something that you would like to happen in your life, and it could be something as small as, you know, I want to.

00:54:00:23 – 00:54:26:23
So it's frivolous. These new pair of trainers, I want to I want to get those right. Yeah. Or it might be a figure of an amount of money in your head or a visualization of where you want to live. And if you keep visualizing on that thing, that eventually will happen, it isn't the universe plonking it in your in your direction, it's you creating or doing things that move you towards that thing.

00:54:27:00 – 00:54:50:02
So yeah, there have been a few, like I've always visualized about living in the countryside with a stream running through my garden kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have said that. Yeah, yeah. So I think one day I might get, I don't know, I've seen a few properties like that, but and there has been times where I've been skin and I've thought, let me put this into place and then something will happen and I'll have a little windfall, like a something of a tax rebate or something like that.

00:54:50:04 – 00:55:12:02
But what's happening is I notice in it I'm just noticing things and connecting the things that isn't magic. That's what I write, right? I see what you're saying, Natalie, because, you know, actually, a mate of mine, he was he's always talking about push. He'd love a push, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he was like saying that he doesn't know.

00:55:12:04 – 00:55:34:10
But maybe that push, offering caught up for at businesses like a kind of I don't know because he's seeing them everywhere and I love push. And then when he said that to me for the past ten days, I am seeing a Porsche fucking everywhere. Yeah, but I didn't really make that, connection of you. What you saying?

00:55:34:10 – 00:55:53:08
You know what? You're noticing patterns. Yeah. My brother's bought a new van, right? He bought an electric Volkswagen van for his work. Van? Oh, and he sent as soon as he's seen it and said it. I'm seeing them everywhere, whereas I just wouldn't have noticed them before because I hadn't had that. So that's what it's just finding patterns.

00:55:53:08 – 00:56:18:03
But it's really healthy way to live. It's what it's really. So notice the good things that are happening, not only good for to come from that for sure. So I've listened to like quite a few podcasts and like these books, A Path Through the Jungle like a psychological health and wellbeing program, The Chimp Paradox. What color is your parachute like?

00:56:18:03 – 00:56:40:14
All these type of, the power of now by what's his name? Eckhart Tolle. Yeah, those type of books. Do you? I've read some, I've read some. I read a lot of not giving a fuck, that kind of thing where we literally got that right in front of it. Have you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Have. Yeah. Another one I think like it.

00:56:40:16 – 00:57:10:20
Yeah. But there was a couple of bits where I don't know, it's really hard right when you're, it's, it's like the same as people like saying if you are having a panic attack and someone says, just, just don't have a panic attack. Yeah. All right, I just won't. Then it's really hard to kind of reverse your, or or even, you know, like we've said before on when you think and you spiral.

00:57:10:20 – 00:57:36:06
And the reason why is because your mind knows how to do that. Like there's a groove in your mind and it's easiest that it chooses the path of least resistance. So I will always choose that way. And you have to keep training your brain not to think in a certain way. So if you always are, going to go to a panic scenario, it's very hard to then go, I don't want that panic scenario.

00:57:36:12 – 00:57:54:12
I thought about it and it hasn't happened. It takes months, if not years, to change how you think about things and to get it under control. Yeah. So so I did find like it, you know some of it it's like, oh if that happens you just don't give a fuck. Just, you know, it's all about you, that type of stuff.

00:57:54:12 – 00:58:25:23
And. Yeah, but it was there was bits in it were like, oh, and this helps really, with the kind of stuff I mentioned to start with, like the overlap, like when you get in abused and whatnot, that this is just a moment in someone's day. People are so preoccupied with their own life that while you that negative comment might stick with you for a couple of days until you're bothered about something else, the person who's made is has made the comment, forgotten about it, and went on with their day.

00:58:26:00 – 00:58:59:05
Yeah, imagine all the things you've written on the internet. You can't remember any of it. And also, so many people are preoccupied with how they feel. They look that in in reality, you create a perception of yourself and you create a negative opinion of yourself that isn't real. It doesn't exist in the world. So that so that's that's kind of what I got from it is like I could be bothered about these things, but I've got what I need to give a fuck about all the important things like exercise.

00:58:59:05 – 00:59:22:22
Oh, I'm doing much of that. But exercise or, you know, health, whatever it might be. But none of them really. They're all it's so broad. They have to be so broad. Yeah. It's applied to so many people that they say, yes, I did read that. But that's not that. I don't often sort of like I quite like that geezer.

00:59:23:00 – 00:59:40:19
What's his name? The, Jim James. What is it? James? The fitness guy who just coats everybody off all the time and swears? Yeah. Smith. James Smith. James Smith. Yeah, yeah. So I picked his book up at the airport, cause I just thought I might be good when I'm on. Oh, he's got a book as a.

00:59:40:21 – 01:00:08:17
So a couple. Yeah. Right. And terrible. Oh. Oh, this I read I read about ten pages. Oh, this is shit. Yeah. Never looked at again. Before we move on to the next bit, just a couple of, I've put some books in here that I feel like that you might, agree with. So these are the books that previously, many years ago that Flav and I have read.

01:00:08:19 – 01:00:40:05
And we think that you you may like them. So there's Birdsong by Sebastian Faulks. This one's my one. Great Expectations by Charles Dickens. Never a love of love. A bit of Dickens. This this is, this is one of my favorite books and films. It's Dracula, Bram Stoker's Dracula. It is fucking. It's my life.

01:00:40:05 – 01:01:10:14
Honestly. Frankenstein. Frankenstein over Dracula. It's so funny, right? Literally, you said that sentence to me however many years ago, ten, 15 years ago. Yeah. Frankenstein is, as you said, this little description of in the book. And you were like, I can't get it out of my head. And when you tell me that it's fucking years ago and like, you actually saying the same thing, not breaking character, I can't, but it was subscription.

01:01:10:14 – 01:01:37:05
I remember now it's something to do with, maybe it's not actually called Frankenstein, is it? The thing that it's made coming over the hill and there's a shadow or something like that. So, so I yeah, I, I can remember vividly what I know exactly what you're talking about now. So, so I can't remember the part of the story, but Frankenstein is the he is the, he's the scientist.

01:01:37:05 – 01:02:03:03
Scientist? Yeah. He's the butler of. What would you call him? Actually, and the monster is just the monster. It's not. It's not called Frankenstein, as most people know that. But. So he's on the run, and the monsters go out, and there is this description of him. I think he's on an island, and he sees this shadow of the monster coming down on the other side of the water, the lake.

01:02:03:05 – 01:02:24:00
But it's he's like a good mile away, and it's lit by moonlight. And you can see the shape of the monster coming, going down. And he's like, this monster's coming for him, and he's watching it. Come let's. I know it's so cool what it is. Watching it come from like a mile away. And he sees the monster get into the boat and start, rowing itself.

01:02:24:00 – 01:02:46:01
And he's like, he's he's impending doom. He's watching his, his own, and approach him so that. Yeah. And that's like Mary Shelley was like, I want to say like 20 when she wrote it. Fucking mad did it. I might I'll find it now. But she was young, super young. So listening to that, that's what would make me want to get out and start reading.

01:02:46:01 – 01:03:11:13
Yeah. Lord of the flies. Yeah. That another brilliant. Well. American Psycho. Yeah. I went and talked about that. That's fucked that that fucked my head up. That did. Because, like, I'm on the train, I've got an on and the shit he's describing is the fucking most mental, depraved stuff that you'll ever hear. And you're like, why, why, why, why, why is this arousing?

01:03:11:19 – 01:03:38:00
And then and then and then it will suddenly there'll be a whole chapter about Phil Collins and Genesis and then he go back. This guy is like a murderer, is brilliant. It's true. Everybody should read American Psycho once. Yeah, it is absolutely fantastic. The last couple, I mean, the All the Pretty Horses, you know, when we read the the trilogy, the trilogy, the second book fucking killed me.

01:03:38:00 – 01:03:55:07
It killed me. Yeah, I, I Cormac McCarthy's. Yeah. Cormac McCarthy. Yeah. We haven't. You mentioned the road, the road I read in one sitting. The road was so good. I just sat down and read it. And Quantum Coffee. So easy to read it. Yeah. And his dialog is brilliant. He has a very unique way of these characters talking to each other.

01:03:55:07 – 01:04:22:05
It's very monosyllabic and short and concise to get through a lot really quickly. Yeah, the climate, coffee, the road, blood Meridian, no country for old men. But if you seen the film, they kind of skip the book because I've not actually seen the film, you know. Well, the book, it might be okay if you just. So I read the book and the film came out and it's like scene for scene, exactly what you see in the book.

01:04:22:07 – 01:04:59:09
Right. Right here. God was film. And, Jared Leto was in it. Jared Leto and Jennifer Collins and oh, man. Sorry. Anyway, yeah. That so. Yeah, I think, Oh, about mice and men. Yeah. Mice. Brilliant. So who wrote that? John Steinbeck, right? Yes, yes, yes, I've got one of his, today.

01:04:59:11 – 01:05:23:18
Yeah. Grapes of Wrath. That's never read it. How does heavy. Oh. Mate. Fuck. You know, the IMDb in that. Fuck me. Holy shit. Yeah. That's insane. Requiem for a dream is what I was after, right? Right. So the film's really good. I use Darren Aronofsky. Maybe, but I'll read the scene as heavy as well on it. And, yeah, it's a great film that you should watch it, right?

01:05:23:18 – 01:05:51:13
Yeah. Or read the book. It's like I said, it's similar to this scene. The scene, yeah. Think was amazing, I can't remember. And then I've got some other, like, Time Traveler's Wife. Love that. Memoirs of a geisha. Love that. Rebecca by Daphne de Moura. Yeah. Amazing. But. Yeah. And what was the other one? It's connected to Rebecca.

01:05:51:15 – 01:06:15:24
I wish it right now. Right. I would random, but, Okay. We're going to jump ahead to the topic for next week, right? The topic for next week. We completely missed this. And, and, and I did mention it and, I do kind of apologize because I did want to speak about this, but it's going to be on executions and torture through the ages.

01:06:15:24 – 01:06:43:17
So the many people that wrote in, it's alarming, but it's also to say that you were interested in it. The rack, the Iron Maiden. Yeah. Waterboarding the Judas cradle. So we will we'll be talking about all these tortures throughout the ages. And do you think it's not, you know, we right. Is it right that we bring some some torture back, maybe water it down a bit?

01:06:43:19 – 01:07:11:12
The, yeah. So talking about psychological torture as well. Yeah. Trying to get information out of people. I need some information. I'm going to do some torturing. Yeah, my bad start. Give it to us. Yeah. Right. Sounds right. Yeah. So, yeah, we'll have a good, get our chinwag about that. So if you've got any more, you know, executions and tortures that you've seen in the past, then send it in to lads.

01:07:11:16 – 01:07:36:12
Anon pod at gmail.com. And we will, of course, read them out. So today's dilemma is called kind of leopard change their spots and something 90 you know is called power piss brazen bull. Yes, yes that is in there. That's the worst. That is the worst. It is the worst that I will talk about next week. But what are we up to?

01:07:36:14 – 01:08:01:09
Oh, okay. You might be a bit miffed about someone, like murdering your kids or something, but I don't know if I'd still want to. Anyway, we'll talk about this next week. Yeah, I guess I'm, like, psychologically, when I was younger, I mean, yeah, when young boys. Yeah. I mean, I would do like thinking about like, you know, if you were to get ants and get them in a jar and then fill it up with water and then they're drowned.

01:08:01:11 – 01:08:21:03
But yeah, I didn't do that. Right. Yeah. I like to see what would happen. What? Just to see what? I don't die, I don't know, I don't know what would happen. It's a bit cruel to animals. I don't know why some kids specifically boys do do that. Yeah. Boys and insects. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. Weird.

01:08:21:05 – 01:08:45:09
I used to think the kids did that were fucking weird. Like. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can be a serial killer, but anonymous told me so many stories about my dads and children. Be, like, walking along and see my dad, just like with a dragonfly. And, like, I mean, I'm not going to go into see, but she would see him like, he would tie a like, little bit of, thread to string to a dragonfly's tail.

01:08:45:11 – 01:09:07:08
And she would be looking and he'd be walking around the garden with a dragonfly, like a balloon on a string. I mean, that's walking around in a cool like it's it's basically about a pet butterfly. Yeah, but no dragonfly. I kind of get that. Yeah, but it's the it's the bad stuff. Anyway, we're going to be talking about that, which was so comfy, but we'll probably put him in there.

01:09:07:10 – 01:09:15:13
Yeah yeah yeah for sure. All right. Yeah he deserve it as well. What we do. So dilemma.

01:09:15:15 – 01:09:44:11
Oh. So, just tired. You got an issue for a tissue? You're a bit sad, cat. When you. Are you aching in your soul, alone in your flat? Please talk to Vicky Flanagan. Let not stress off your chest. Well, friend, you deserve this big like you're fighting to get. Nice wall between breaking and.

01:09:44:13 – 01:10:09:16
Kind of leopard. Change this box. Do you think someone that has cheated in a relationship can genuinely change and be faithful in the future? Or is it more likely that once someone has crossed the line, it becomes easier to do again? And you guys don't know the context, but just as a discussion, my girl got chatting to someone at the bar one too many drinks.

01:10:09:18 – 01:10:36:03
He kissed her but she didn't push him away or protest. Nothing has happened since. They don't have each other's socials etc. she was honest and I believe her. But you know, I do know that she has cheated in the past with other guys, but it's never sex. A kiss at the bar when she's loaded, but that's as far as it goes.

01:10:36:05 – 01:10:44:07
Will she ever change?

01:10:44:09 – 01:11:10:03
It's tough one. Yeah, because everyone's an individual. So there's no blanket answer to this? No, it's just whatever you are okay with the idea that this might happen again? Yeah. And she's putting herself in situations where she knows she can be prone to this sort of thing. Like, if I don't want a drink, I'm not going to spend much time in a pub.

01:11:10:07 – 01:11:30:05
If I don't want to kiss men. I'm not going to be loaded in a pub, I mean, or women in my face. Nah. What is that there? So if she's still creating the actions or doing the things that lead us to a position where she is vulnerable to making mistakes, then don't put yourself in that situation. That's a fair thing to for you to ask about.

01:11:30:05 – 01:11:57:09
I think. Yeah, I totally agree. But I'm also of that kind of, like if you're, if it will be in a relationship for it to work like you have to, you have to trust one another. And if you're if she's like, oh, I'm going out with the girlies or I'm doing this and I'm thinking, I wonder if she's cheating on me.

01:11:57:11 – 01:12:18:07
Has she cheated on me? And you really stink when it comes time is to check her phone or ask her kind of subtle questions as to how drunk she is. And did she speak to any guys and stuff? Like, I think when you get to that stage, it's a bit like, how can you, how can you if you're if you're if she's going out, she's on her own with a girls and she's going out to the bar.

01:12:18:09 – 01:12:40:00
How would you think about anything other than the fact that she might end up doing this again? Yeah, that's not fair on you know, like you cannot help where you're thinking and you might be some I don't know, some people might you might get being gaslighted saying you can't, you control or you don't want her to do certain things.

01:12:40:02 – 01:13:03:13
She because she's done that she's created an issue. And you. There's no world where you should be able to feel comfortable with her going to a bar on her own. No. Or with her. Yeah. And that's something she did. That's not your fault. She created the problem. I would I would struggle immensely. I think it could well be the end of it would be the end of my relationship, probably.

01:13:03:15 – 01:13:24:23
Yeah. I there was no way I could do that. Absolutely not. Every time you love her, you just see her kissing another man like you've been so little to her in that moment that I would struggle to deal with that. Yeah, it's the it's the part of the question in the inner turmoil of is she where is she, who she with, blah blah blah.

01:13:25:00 – 01:13:46:04
And you just literally you can't do that. You can't do that in a relationship. It will never work. It's not to say. It's not to say that she would never do it again. But my question would be, why would she put herself in a situation, as I just said, like, I wouldn't do it if I cheated on my misses and she'd taken me back somehow.

01:13:46:06 – 01:14:08:03
I wouldn't put myself in a similar situation where I've done it again. No, I mean, I do actually remember like, it was out of a podcast, massive pod shits and giggles. I said, oh yeah. And they got one in and they went about the bloke who's got caught cheating, but he's missus is taken aback, but he's not.

01:14:08:05 – 01:14:16:21
But then he sees something in something funny on the television, but knows he can't laugh for about good 3 or 4 weeks.

01:14:16:23 – 01:14:36:03
Because obviously she's taking the invite, but she's still furious, so you're not allowed to laugh. Oh was funny. That is funny. Now we're going to go into this no where you get on them. It is interesting to see. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. You never do. You know where to email us also. You know what? You know what's best.

01:14:36:03 – 01:15:01:05
You know for you don't listen to us and take our voice as verbatim because we don't know the intricacies of your situation, but you got a right for her to not put herself in that situation where she could end up doing the same thing. And if it happens again, make you go, yeah, what's the next bit? Something I know you know.

01:15:01:07 – 01:15:07:05
Something, you know.

01:15:07:07 – 01:15:31:23
Power piss. Right. I was coming back from a gig when I was about 16, paralytic drunk, got the train back from Clapton Junction and was desperate for a slash. I had a bottle of Fanta that I finished, so I got on the train and filled that up with my piss. Good. Basically, I was fire hosing my piss off the window.

01:15:31:23 – 01:16:02:10
And also, as it turns out, it hit the bloke perpendicular to me and splashed on his jeans. A fucking disaster. He came over to me and said, you pissed on my jeans? You pissed on my jeans? I'm 16 and he's a big Eastern European fucker. Oh fuck. He says, right. You pissed on me. You're gonna have to do something for me.

01:16:02:12 – 01:16:36:18
There is no escape route. So virtually puckering up to suck this guy's cock, he's like 14, he's like 40, and I'm 16, so I'm like, right, go on then, let's get on with this. But instead, the cunt pulls out a Jehovah's Witness pamphlet. Wow. Thank God I nearly hit the roof. And that is something I need. I know, I know, yeah, I'm not not pissing in a train carriage.

01:16:36:20 – 01:16:55:23
He's put he's trying to piss in a bottle, but just missed. Is that what it was said? I mean, he says he power piss in right? Let me have a look. And it's, fire hose in my piss off the window and all sorts. Is he just pointing it at the window? Yeah. It's just it's just standing up and just pissing everywhere.

01:16:56:04 – 01:17:16:13
Of course it's going to hit someone's jeans. You've pissed on his jeans. You pissed off my child. Thank you very much for that. If you're listening to this and you have any more stories of something and you know you want to be included again, I have many discussions with people on social, and they they say, I've got something to send in.

01:17:16:13 – 01:17:44:07
I'll do it shortly, but then they never do. So if you do have something, send it into lads. Anon pod at gmail.com. The topic for next week is going to be on executions and torture. So if you've ever been anywhere to a castle on holiday and you've seen a particular one that you thought, fuck me, that's a bit a bit tasty, that's a bit on top or something that you just thought, do you know what?

01:17:44:07 – 01:17:56:11
Someone could do that to me all day and I could fucking eat it. Oh. I'll take that. Send it into Latin on pod at gmail.com. And until then, we will see you on Monday. Cheers.