#118 | Fear, Curiosity & The Nutty Putty Cave Tragedy

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Rick, I, I read yesterday that if you ejaculate 21 times a month, your risk of prostate cancer reduces significantly. Personally, I get sort of, you know, when you say get all the poison out, apparently, you will get your toxins and shit out your priority. Something along those lines? Yeah. Cleansing your pussy. Any wife who criticize their husband for knocking one out is giving him cancer.

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Basically. That's what I read. That's true. I mean, 21. How? Like, my math is terrible. How many times did you have to eat Jack during the week? It's to every 2 to 2 in three days. What? Really? Yeah. Well, I'm a lock. Yeah. What, you want prostate cancer. Is it a lot if you don't? If you don't want profitable anal lock, then is it.

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Do you talk to yourself? Yeah, I talk to myself. God. Well, how often are you doing it, then? Well, not that much, but I'm going to up my. I'm a game of. I'm up my game, but I can't, I don't I don't want that. I don't want to go that way. No, I mean I, I mean I have to because well, if I've got any left in the barrel, then I know the, the semen demon will visit me.

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Yeah. He's with you every day. No, not every day. Not every liar. You're right. You are lying. Is weird. I know you, you lie. You're right. There are times where I'm doing it, and I don't really want to be doing it, but I know I have to just get it out. You're doing your duty because. Yeah, exactly. It's like.

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It's like this. You feel compelled sometimes, don't you? Just think I've just got to do this? Yeah. If, like, if you get a bit of free time, you feel like I should be doing it. It's like a chore. And you're like, I do. I have, like, half a day, so I should really get this out of the way.

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And then go on about my day and the, anything else you want to talk about? Watch. Yeah. It's quite, No, I mean, it is a bit serious in that, but I want to know if I'm being too hard on my daughter. And weak. And you, you're you're the only one that, will put me in check or will kind of talk me off a ledge, or to say you didn't.

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Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So basically, my, daughter, she absolutely loves McDonald's, right? It's her treat on the Friday. Other than the end of the school week, let's go get McDonald's. And I'm like, okay, that's cool. That's fine. Love doing it. But I've said to my daughter, if you get three red stamps and a red stamp is a mark on your behavior at school, which is not wearing your lanyard, skirt's too short, late for lessons.

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Is this not on your equipment? Younger or older is not getting any. Why? What did you mean for the whole cycle? I don't know. Just because, like, not wearing your lanyard isn't like bad behavior, is it? No, no it's not, but it's, I don't know why it's such a big thing, but, and towards the end of last term, coming into the summer, she's fucking flying.

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Absolutely flying. A couple of sprinkles of red stamps. But she weren't getting the free. What these three mean? So it's just a number that I've just brought out. Okay. So this is for a school thing. Okay. You're right. I've got you know, a school thing. Just something that I've set. But this term it's just read all the way through.

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She hasn't had a McDonald's in over a month, five weeks. And I'm kind of like, every day when we're walking to the bus stop, remember to wear a lanyard, pull your skirt down, do this, do that. Remember to get to lesson on time. Like just if if someone if you're if you're messing around, move away from your mate.

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And then she's like yeah that I've got it, I've got it. I'm going to try really hard. And I can see that in her head. She's not right. I've fucking got this. I'm I'm going for it. I'm going to get I'm going to get the Green Stamps. And then when she's come home from school, I check the little report on the app and then it's just late for class.

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Read stamp not had a lanyard on red stamp. And I'm not. Fuck sake. Help me please. I want to give you the McDonald's. But I'm at a stage now where do I say okay, right, let's make it five rate stamps. Let's make it seven red stamps. So I'm going to meet. Meet her. Or do I just say you know what, young people do stuff.

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Let's go get the McDonald's? Or do I stay true to my kind of the rule that we put in place? She was meeting it. I just know she was breaks my heart that I can't just give her a fucking McDonald's, you know? I mean, but it's one of those things as a parent that's like, I don't know, man.

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I don't know what to do. And I feel so mean as a dad. And what's, what's the wife saying? Give it up. Oh, shit. Fucking get a McDonald's every day. Give her a McDonald's every single day. Or regardless of what happens. Yeah. Regardless, you're doing the right thing 100%. The fact you feel so guilty means, you know.

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You know, it comes from a right place, I don't think. I don't think upping. And look, I'm. You're talking to someone who doesn't have a fucking clue either, because I've got my own challenges going on at the moment and I don't know what to do. Imma, but I'm not to. I'm not talking about them here, but the, the.

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Oh man, it is there a way that she can like the red stamp? Is there a way that she can do something positive to get the reward, as opposed to just not doing, not doing something negative? Do you know what I mean? So, yeah. Do you know what? Oh, yeah. That's a fucking good point, mate. Because you get you get green stamps as well.

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You get green stamps for putting your hand up in class. Being, I don't know, whatever it might be that she just get more green stamps, red. I think it's about even, right there. Could be there could be a new rule that if you get X amount of green stamps, then you get them out. Instead of punishing bad behavior, reinforcing good behavior.

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That's I get this maybe to something in that right that they see. This is why I wanted to have this conversation. The I think yeah. Because then you you're she's going to feel dopamine and the release when that happens. Whereas she just feels bad about self and. Yeah. So and obviously she can't, she, she tries but she just at this stage can't help it.

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Their little brains are fucked, but they don't. They're not even remotely. How old is she now? 11. 12. 12. She's not even remotely properly developed yet. So getting to class on time when she's being distracted is is difficult for some kids. Other kids a lot. But the forefront of their mind is I don't want to get in trouble, whereas I don't.

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I, but that's a really good point. No, that that reinforcing the good. But I just hadn't thought of that. Yeah. Because all of the focus is on what she's doing wrong. And that's what makes you feel bad when you read it, because you feel bad for her and you feel bad for not having to give her what she wants.

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But, yeah, I'd try that, see what happens. Yeah, she still get a bad one, but if she she keeps realizing, she gets rewarded for being good, that naturally that bit will become a her her, foundation to work from, whereas just got. Yeah. Bad. You're not getting what you want. Try let me know you get on. Yeah I will day.

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Okay, Rick. Joe. Hello. And welcome to. That's another. This is episode 118 on Ricky. He still have two best mates. One main topic we answer your life dilemmas and confessions in our feature. Something only you know. And everything remains anonymous. Always so sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast. How are you, mate? You're right. Yeah, it's been a stressful week.

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Two problems that I can't really figure out how to solve, but that is life and we move. Can we figure think of them out here? No, not if you put your hand. Does anybody listening to this got 40 grand they want to give me? No. Oh, them. We can't solve it. Right. Okay, okay, okay. That's good, that's good, that's good.

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Right. Do you know what the topic for today is? It's the Nutty Putty cave in America. Yeah. Boy, it is indeed. However, even the name Nutty Putty is weird. The whole thing about it's just a weird, weird thing that exists in the world of human beings. A weird they, the the word nutty party comes from the material the the cave is made out of is, like a nutty texture, but also, slippy and malleable like putty.

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Hence, in the new putty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it was like clay. Almost. Almighty God sakes. What people if people don't know. Right? Okay. The nutty Patty cave incident occurred on the, on November 24th, 2009, near Utah Lake when John Edward Jones, a 26 year old medical student and experience spelunker. I don't know what the fuck that is.

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Blanking is crawling through small. Is it really? I think so, yes. Blanking means right. Doing what exactly this bloke did in 20 tight spaces. I've never heard that, became trapped upside down in a narrow and uncharted section of the cave known as Bobs Push. Despite an extensive 28 hour rescue effort involving over 130 volunteers, rescuers were unable to free him due to the cave's extreme tightness and his inverted position.

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John ultimately died from the psychological effects of being trapped head down for so long. The cave was later permanently sealed as a memorial, marking one of the most tragic cave exploration accidents in US history. And then, his body was wasn't recovered because his body remains inside napi cave officials determined that extraction. It would have been too dangerous.

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So late in 2009, the cave was permanently sealed with concrete, effectively making his body unrecoverable, and the site is final. Resting place. So when you think of caving and spelunking and that if you haven't looked up nutty pay, you might think of it as being a cave where you could walk around in or, you know, you walk a part of the way and you get smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller.

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Yeah, it wasn't anything like that. It was a tiny entrance. Yeah. And it just loads of tiny corridors, massive corridors, crawl spaces. Yeah.

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Have you ever, so gone. No. No, no. Have you ever been caving? Pothole in. Done any of that stuff? I went for my mates stag do. We went. We did this thing. We had to traverse a river and it was rocks. So you'd walk against the water and you climb up, right? And then you'd get to a point where you could do to jump off a big rock into a pool of water, and then you click, and then you go up again and you keep going, keep going until you reach the final jump.

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Yeah. And that, that was it. And, would, would I do it again now? Did I enjoy it? It was all right. The jumping off into the water a bit was quite good, I guess. But the bloke who run it just went, yeah. Someone did this and, broke the leg going in the moonlight. I don't even want to do this.

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So you're saying people can break their legs if they do it wrong? Yeah, yeah, but obviously everyone jumps on what looked like, in the Lake District fucking out. Why not be the way to Lake District for Lee's? Lee's, stag do. And it could have been anywhere. We just stayed and filled a at ten hours to sit in a field, in a tent, share a tent with ten men.

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You know me, Rick. Yeah. Yeah, that doesn't sound, What I don't understand was Iron Lady sounds terrible. It didn't even know it. A three night lead leader sounds terrible. I don't want to go. Do you mind if I don't go in? You would have gone. You know, that's fine. For some reason, I fucking went up to you because you were a good mate.

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That's why. That's what makes do. Even if you don't want to do it, you've got to do it. You don't have to do it. Mates also shouldn't be forced to do things to the other mate that they don't want to do. No, no, I mean, but there are limits. Like if I was to say, Will you come on my stag do to Benidorm?

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Yeah, let's do that. Definitely do that. Yeah, you do that. But I mean, it's, you know, you wouldn't really like Benidorm. There's not somewhere that you'd pick as a destination for a show. What? Sunshine. Cheap beer. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, I probably did. Yeah. No problem with that. Getting in the fucking car, driving to the Lake District, sleeping in a field with ten other men.

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I don't know, doing Spelunky. I mean, whatever that was with traversing up the river. Yeah. Getting a speeding fine. The. I was going to say that was it. This is the time that you got a speeding ticket. A speeding ticket? Because it was next Lake Windermere, which is like a beauty destination. Where. Oh, I didn't notice, but all roads next to these sort of destinations are limited to 60 mile an hour.

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Sorry, 40 mile an hour, but they're not 640 mile an hour. Roads are 60 mile an hour roads where I am. So I'm driving 60 mile an hour because I just assume that's what it is. There's a fucking there's a, speed camera, the me, because it's so far over the limit. I couldn't do a speed awareness course.

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Not only that, but so far over the limit that I've got six points and no guards and 1,000 pound fine. Yeah, well, hang on a second. What did. What did you have to pay the thousand pound for? One of those went home. I had to pay it. It wasn't. I didn't know that. Yeah, it was great. And then my insurance rates went up £400 a, like, I didn't know.

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If I knew, I would have, I wouldn't have been driving that far. Soldier four was that the limit? Yeah. So that whole fucking trip, was it? Shit. Yeah, I was gonna say that. That draws a line nicely under that stag. They. When I was younger, I went on a school trip to a place called Long Rig. Which is in the Yorkshire Dales.

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And we went pot in and we went through this bit. It's a, it's a famous cave called Long Churns and Alum Pot. So that's the one that we went to. And there's a famous part of it called the Cheese Press. So if anyone's listening to this you can go and look out for it. So the cheese press is akin to what we're talking about, right?

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But it's only for a short part. But the nutty Patty is like the cheese press for its entirety of getting around this cave. Now, when I was doing this. So if I'm facing forwards, that's the way to go. But it's so flat and narrow, you have to look at that way, right? So my head torches going that way.

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It's pitch black in front of me. So cool. That right. Yeah. And you've got to use your fingertips and your toes to shuffle yourself along. And I could feel my helmet, my hard hat, grazing against either side of this cheese press. Now it is. Thinking back to it, I don't know why I did it, and it's probably one of the most scariest things I've I've ever done.

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But I was young and I was with school and all my mates were doing it at one point as well. I there's a bit in it where you get into, you go free to cheese press and you get into the more bits of the cave that you were referring to at the beginning of the pod, where it's more open, you can walk about, you're not banging your head and stuff like that.

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But we got to this part right where you have to jump from one side to the other, and there's a big rock in the middle, and then all around it is ice cold water. So one person goes into the middle, they wait for the other person, grab them, and then they step off. So it's like this one to free my mate Billy, and he may be listening to this.

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He was on that metal part and he was supposed to catch me as I'm walking across it, right? Yeah, but he was fucking around with my mates on the other side and didn't see me jump and hear the cool. So when I came over, he didn't realize I was there and then knocked me into the freezing cold room in the darkness right?

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It was fucking awful, mate. And then I had to take this rest of this rock climbing, freezing cold, soaking wet, and him pissing himself laughing. I was like, fuck this man. It was awful, man. It was And they did that thing as well. Like when you were all huddled round, you know, your group of ten or whatever.

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You've all got your headlamps on yet. Yeah. Hard hat. And it's not written this. Keep it together. This is the most I don't know where 70m deep with this that in the about right. Can you feel that knob on the side of your heart. Yeah. Right after free, we're all going to turn it off and like, you turn it off to feel what pitch black is and you can see nothing.

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It's fucking blank. You feel like you're dead and in space at the same time. It's like, that's quite a strange thing for kids to do. Like, I've done that. You know what I'm thinking? You know what? We're driving here now. This is fucking. You should be doing this for children. I'm going for the cheese. Turn the cheese. Press the cheese.

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Press up. Fuck me. I wouldn't like that. I've had a problem with claustrophobia for a long time. The idea of going down into these caves. Have fun. Is is beyond me. Like, there's the. It's just check that the definition of spelunking is, the means to get to the bottom of something is a it's from a, and a Latin word.

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Could biology, where you just means to reach the bottom and that's like like, I dunno, the idea of going into small, confined spaces that just you might not be able to come back from. I kind of that moment of panic when you're stuck. I just couldn't even. I know we going to talk about the guy who died in the Nazi Party cave, but it's not just that, mate.

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This, these people that. So that sounds bad enough, right? And yeah, I add water at it, full of water, you know, I mean. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those, those, those people go down with a breathing apparatus. Scuba. Yeah yeah yeah. Underwater caves. Yeah. Like scary enough. Where there. Take the air on the underwater caves. Is the worst night.

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So this is this is a question, right? What is it in the human psyche or in the. I don't even know what the word is that makes someone want to go spelunking. I don't want howling. Dive in and going through bits where there is the real possibility of them getting stuck or dying or that thrill seeking part of the human brain.

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Where does it come from? Where does it not? What is it? I mean, this is this is fucking in caves. Do you know what I mean? I just don't understand. Okay. Bungee jump. Fine. Jumping out of a plane, right? No, not fine as in I would do that, but I kind of get it. But in caves, in the darkness.

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And the thing is, these places, more often than not, they're a drive away. It's not like you're fucking coming out your front door in the ground. Unions like five minutes away from your house, Smalls. You're miles away from anyone and anything. And then you think perhaps. Should we, You want to go caving today? It's going to drive them.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Let's this that the. It's like rock climbers. Like these rock climbers that go up your summit. You know the guy that fell off recently? Yeah. El Capitan. Yeah. He's El Capitan, right. He fell off because he ran out of rope. He didn't tie it properly. And the experience you see. Seen the first video? Yeah. Yeah, it took me a while to find it.

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Yeah. What? You what, you went for it? Yeah. Yeah I didn't I don't know what. I don't know what why, why anyone would do that, but it's, there's, there's kind of the psychological motivation or like, they must get dopamine hits would be in in danger or like, what's wrong with just going down the pub and having a beer?

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That's a good dopamine hit. And I'd say that's more healthy than what you're doing. The free climbers as well. You don't go up with rope, mate. Mate, I was just about to say that, like the people that, I watch one the other the other day. I think this is French dude. And he climbed up this building in America.

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Yeah, I seen that guy. I think they call him spider man or something like that. Yeah, and there's a GoPro one as well. Danny. Yeah, yeah. And he's just solo, like, there is no, apparatus. There's no rope, there's no nothing. Just chalk in his hands and not. Well, I just they all get it. They all die in the end, and.

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Yeah. And the thing is, is. It's it's it's just a bizarre thing that I just can't get my head around. Like, why anyone would, would find that the need to do that, it's almost like they've got a death wish where they become so addicted to that way of life that normal normality seems abnormal, but they have to be doing bits and pieces like that.

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I don't know, just take drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there have been moments in my life where I've felt as high as I could possibly feel, but without doing any drugs, like when something outside of your control happens and it's so good, like, and I suppose being marginal. Five one when the fifth goal went in, I just felt on top of the world.

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Yeah. In fact, I genuinely believe football to some degree was ruined for me after that day because I've never felt that feeling since I get yeah, I yeah, I get, I get that and I remember, I remember I it must have been, I mean the season later I think it might have been we beat Liverpool four two in a League Cup.

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Yeah. And I was like this doesn't feel like the Arsenal game. Why doesn't it feel like it also came. Yeah I'll put a link this back to what we're talking about is they need to up the ante. They need to keep doing more and more dangerous things. Getting in that party cave is about the most mental thing you can do.

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But they are the yeah, gone. When they go to bed at night, they think, oh, I've been like a mile the ground today. That was good. Well, what? You know, like when, when we will meet up in London, we'll have a Christmas drink up. And, you know, it's going to be like one of those evenings, going to be a fucking naughty evening.

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And you're lying in bed and you're like, I can't wait. It can't wait till tomorrow. I'm going to get a really early get on the train. It's gonna be fucking rain. Little, little cans on the train as well. When they're going to bed, you like they're thinking, oh, I can't wait to fucking get in that cave. I can't wait to crawl on my belly.

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Yeah, I wait to graze my elbows up. I want to ask you more about the cave then what? Yeah. What's the material there? So it's it's called nutty Putty because it's mainly like a clay. Like solid rock? No, I mean, that's a solid solid enough. Yeah, that obviously it can hold, its structure, but yeah, it's, it's like putty in its in the material.

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So it's like clay, you can slide around in it and then it has a nutty texture to it too. So it could the, the name, the, the nickname was called Nutty Party. Now all just read you some, some things here. Okay. So you have the entrance to the left. So we all post maps on our Instagram at lads anon pod so that you can see what the nutty Party cave looks like and all the different, cavernous bits in it.

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Now to the left, you've got a bit called the Maze, then the big room, then the crack. They didn't go down the left side. They went to the right hand side. It starts with the big slide, the birth canal, the aorta crawl, and then Bane Alley. The I mean, all of that. Yeah. All of those names, you know that I.

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Oh accrual vane alley birth canal. Now that is just so this gentleman he went to the birth canal and there was a part where he was supposed to go straight forward. He felt like he knew what he was doing and was on the right route. But he went down a park called pops. I can't remember what it is, what's called nabob something or, how to walk.

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It hadn't really been explored, and he kept crawling and the space was getting tighter and tighter, but he just felt like, this is what you know, I've just come through a lot of places where I'm really tight. Yeah. And I've just got to keep going because there'll be a place where I can get into that. I can easily turn around or maneuver myself or do something.

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And it got to a point where he crawled so far into this tiny, narrow gap headfirst that he was wedged in there. He actually went down, though, didn't he? Yeah. He did. Yeah. So I watched the I watched a 3D reenactment of his his journey. Yeah. Yeah. And it was mental. At no point did he think, well, obviously we didn't know about this stuff, so he probably has a better understanding.

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Obviously. Does. But he didn't think I had to stop, I should stop. And then he got to this bit where when he went down and ended up, he had head down and it was end. It was the end. Yeah. There was no nowhere for him to go. It was the end of the that vein of the cave. Yeah.

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I think he was just met with hard Rock. Yeah. And his feet were directly above him. So he was upside down effectively. Yeah. And couldn't get back. And they couldn't get to him. No. So and he how did he diary. So the I'll read you some of the bits here. Okay. Where is it gone now. Okay. So the injuries that he suffered, blood pooling in the head and chest, which then caused restricted breathing, venous or Venice return failure and then organ stress and toxin build up.

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And then he suffered a huge heart attack and died before that. He was going in and out of, consciousness. Now, I was reading this article where a guy who was a very experienced caver or, what was that was it's Splunk, but I don't want to say spanker, but, because the spank chart at the beginning of the party.

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No, I get it. Yeah, yeah. You want to say it? You think I know what you want to say? The. So he received a call and was told that there is someone trapped and they need volunteers. And the guy was like, it sounds like you've got enough people there. I'll let you crack on. If it gets to the point where people are tired, then give me a call back and I'll come down and I'll see what I can do.

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He got that call back, obviously, and was told that the first lady volunteers were tired. There's lots of people there, but they were trying to get to him and pull him out, try and get him and pull him out. Now where you were saying so he was lying down like that. His feet, just like ankles, like popping out up and out of the hole.

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Yeah. And then you've got the roof of where he was. So even if he managed to push himself up, hit the roof, he himself would hit the roof. There's no way he would need to try and control and get himself out like that. So when this guy went with the next wave of volunteers, rescuers to get to him, he got there.

00:30:51:07 – 00:31:13:03
And when he was sliding down this bit bobs whatever it's called, he felt the rock, felt the rock felt something soft and was like, fuck, that's John. His feet touched John's feet. And to get into this bit you have to slide feet first. So he was like, okay, right, I know where he is. He was calling out to John.

00:31:13:05 – 00:31:37:10
John was unresponsive. He was, unconscious at this point, going in and out of consciousness. And then he maneuvered himself to kind of like, tap his feet, and then he could see his legs walking in frantically. And then they just stopped. And then he was like, at this point, I think when I was reading this account yesterday, you know, when you get when you go over a hill and you get that little tickle your stomach.

00:31:37:10 – 00:31:57:10
Yeah, yeah. I was reading this and I was like, or when I'm at a really high point of a building and I get that feeling. When I was reading this account, I kept getting that and I had to keep stopping. It's fucking horrible. But this, that, that's that's your natural reaction. That's what keeps you safe. That feeling like when you're really high and you're terrified, that's how you should feel.

00:31:57:12 – 00:32:25:19
That's that's what your body's telling you don't do. You're in. You're putting yourself in unnecessary danger. Don't go into that cave. That's your instincts. Your natural instincts. Like that feeling you have that you can't. You know, it's difficult to describe when you're in danger. That's your yourself, won't you? Your inbuilt warning system. Listen to it. Do you think that's why why they go caving I the more the tickle, the more the danger, the more that.

00:32:25:21 – 00:32:43:21
Yeah they probably get some sort of dopamine out of it, but the I would have gone down just like I heard first, first call when they rang me up, the volunteers. Right. You got enough volunteers, right? Just kill him. Kill him. Find a way of killing him. He's not getting out there. He's going to suffer horror would have to kill the man.

00:32:43:23 – 00:33:05:08
Yeah. You got that call? It was from tonight. How do we kill him? Oh, you're on your sitting chilling on Saturday playing your PlayStation. I was like, if I can go see look over and Peter call him back. You know, saying, you know, I've got a fuck. I'm on this level. I can't get back. Peter. Could you? How long can you get me a light?

00:33:05:12 – 00:33:33:03
Yeah. I, I have dreams, I would say once a week, maybe less, maybe more. I it's hard to sort of track where I'm in a very high, precarious place, and it's like, I might have to. There might be a point where I need to get to and get to that point. There was a massive drop and it's narrow, and I have to oh, it might not even be narrow.

00:33:33:03 – 00:33:51:00
It might be like two steps without any handles at the side. So I have to climb these steps. And on the on the side is like a sheer drop. Right? I dream about it all the time. I'm terrified after wipe myself up sometimes I shouldn't laugh. That's that's a horrendous dream. And a dream every time. All the time.

00:33:51:00 – 00:34:13:20
Yeah. Why? Have you looked into that? What? Like, just the only thing I could think of. I'd be. The fear of heights has been in us in lots of people. So I think it's a normal thing to be if you're. If you have no fear of heights, do. It's abnormal because one slip in your dead. Yeah. I mean, so the dreams just come from anxiety.

00:34:13:21 – 00:34:33:15
That's all about. I think I can send them back to when I went to Italy and when I was about 18 and we, we climbed some towers in Italy. That towers everywhere used to be a sign of affluence. See how much money you had, how tall your tower looked like. They like big cocks, basically men. When it was, across Italy.

00:34:33:15 – 00:34:49:21
It's a trip. Was a tradition. But this was Bologna, and Florence and Florence and Bologna. And they had towers in both cities. And you can go up the towers, obviously. What the point when when did you go Bologna in Florence? Before I met you, man, I was 18, so it would have been for me. Oh fucking hell.

00:34:50:01 – 00:35:11:16
Really? Yeah. Went for a week. Ring? Yeah, it was all right. I would enjoy it a lot more now than I did then. As long as I eat. Yeah. And, Yeah. So. So we climbed up this tower, but inside one of the towers, it was like a wooden. It was. It was completely hollow. This tower.

00:35:11:18 – 00:35:31:00
And then every 100ft might have been not less than that. Maybe every 50 to 100ft. There was a platform. But to reach the platform, you had to walk up these wooden steps. Or inside the hollow, inside the hollow of the tower. So the tower was hollow inside and there was a staircase running up, up, up the inside of the tower.

00:35:31:06 – 00:35:48:09
And then you reached this, the the first stage. And then it started again, reached the second stage. You start again and then eventually you you'd reach the lookout, sort of what must to do because as with my little brother as well, was like one of the slam towers. I didn't like the towers. I didn't like them at all.

00:35:48:11 – 00:36:09:04
And some of the bits that the this, the, this wooden staircase, I'm like, how is it pinned in? Who pinned it in? When was the last time they checked the maintenance on this? Yeah. Make maintenance. Maintenance is it I would yeah. Giuseppe. I don't know who he is. That's it. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. What's his qualifications? Who is looking after this building?

00:36:09:04 – 00:36:32:02
Like, what is this? What is kind of fucking, climbing up in a baleful like, it's the other day, right? It's why you can't trust human beings. But there was a dam that fell that stood for a long, long time. And it was at Fort. It was a while back, I don't remember where it was in America. And it held huge reserves of water for fresh water that we used.

00:36:32:02 – 00:37:01:23
Yeah. And the whole thing, which was poured concrete, just collapsed. And so like, I don't know how many gallons, like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of gallons of water went into the sea, fresh water. And then like, how did it happen? It happened when it happened. Because two mistakes by the engineers when they were putting the dam in and they made assumptions about the rock that they were using, and the rock reacted to water, the more water it got, the more malleable it got.

00:37:01:23 – 00:37:20:17
And then eventually just collapsed. They had no idea. And and to look at this time, you think that is a feat of engineering? They knew what they were doing. That's crazy. So so so what about as wooden steps like think if they can fuck that down, they can fuck these steps up and I'm going to fall to my death.

00:37:20:19 – 00:37:45:13
There is a bit right. I don't think I've ever sent this to a I'll take a video and I go, I go through this thing every single day and it's in Milton Keynes. It's in Wolverton, I believe it's called the Cattle Crawl. Now you've got the River Rose and above the river whose there is a bridge. It's,

00:37:45:15 – 00:38:05:21
I don't think it's actually called an accord. An aqueduct, but it's it's it's known as the iron trunk. And that carries the Grand Union Canal over the river. Whose you think that means? That I go to this every single day. Oh, right. Right, right. Sorry, I know I I've seen you in your videos when you walk, I.

00:38:05:23 – 00:38:27:10
Yeah, yeah. Oh, look at that. The aqueduct. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. So underneath the aqueduct where I have to walk, there is a tunnel and it's called the Cattle Crew. Now, obviously that tunnel was made because it's loads of farmers fields everywhere for the cows to get through. They created a tunnel for cows to walk through underneath this aqueduct to get to another field, I think.

00:38:27:10 – 00:38:52:20
Anyway, but on it, it's all Victorian brick. And it says on there, I don't know, nine built 1910 and it's 2025. I walk through that every single fucking day and every single day. I'm midway through that and I'm like, The Grand Union Canal is on top of my head. If this collapses, not only am I going to be crushed, I'm going to leave.

00:38:52:20 – 00:39:18:01
I'm going to drown. Drown crushed darkness, and I walk for it every day. Cattle creep, the iron trunk aqueduct. Cattle creep. Okay. Yeah, that's that's the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know. I go through that every single day. It does look creepy and fucking. And the cattle walk through it as well. Did they? They used to in the end.

00:39:18:03 – 00:39:39:08
So people understand. Right. Well I'm looking at and what people are what we're looking at right is it is a tunnel. Yeah. That looks like a traditional cave that's been carved out. It's about the shape and width of a large human. And that's about. Yeah. And what is it like about, let's say like 50ft? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:39:08 – 00:39:58:11
Something like that. And I have to duck down for it. That's how. That's how narrow is. Oh I have to duck. So that's how small it is. And I walk through there every single day. And that scares the life out of me thinking that is going to fucking collapse on top of me. Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna get to the end.

00:39:58:11 – 00:40:27:17
I'm not. Thank you. Not being under the, channel tunnel. So I've been on there. Yeah, I have, I got the whole English channel underneath it. How did I do that? Right? I mean, I know they say, what a feat of engineering. I, they go under the pressure. Don't like going under the just. But it is men or they're like someone for we in the build a tunnel underneath the fucking channel.

00:40:27:17 – 00:40:54:03
Wow. Yeah, yeah. We're going to connect England to Europe. Can't be done, can't be done. How are we going to do that? We're working out somehow. Like, you know, there's some people like that we need. They're the best. Yeah, yeah. Like, have you a sorry. Have you seen that video? Let's go. Maybe it's one that's just going around recently, but it's the engineers the the French side and the British side drilling towards the middle.

00:40:54:06 – 00:41:14:07
And then they get to the middle and the wall falls down and they wave and shake hands and all the fight as it go. And I'm like, fuck, great faith. We can get on. But those people that go. Like, yeah, we can do this. How? I don't know, we'll work out. We'll figure it out. They're the fucking people.

00:41:14:12 – 00:41:35:14
They're the guys they are. They're the ones they are the guys. They should be held up as the fucking heroes because I was having a conversation with James Alcott the other day. Oh, yeah? And yeah, he said he had an idea and I was like, it sounds like a lot of work. I don't do that. But he he will definitely go and do that.

00:41:35:16 – 00:42:00:05
Right. So it's like I'm saying these like, you need these nutcases who want to fucking drill a hole under the fucking channel. Did anyone die making the channel? Channel tunnel? Must have done. Surely, I guess, how many people died. We should do this, right? There's a section on the show. How many people died? I'm going to go with three.

00:42:00:07 – 00:42:04:21
Got got me around three.

00:42:04:23 – 00:42:35:00
Can't be loads because it's, you know, Europe, health, safety and all that lot. A ten people died. Oh my God. Ten. Yeah. Ten. Ten workers died during the construction of the Channel Tunnel, which was built between 1997 and 1993. I think it was six years. Eight of the deceased were British, while the remaining two were French. The deaths were attributed to various accidents common in large scale construction projects, including being hit by locomotives or heavy machinery.

00:42:35:02 – 00:42:59:00
Oh my God, that's fucking mad, they say. Like, you got that? And then when Boris wanted to do the bridge, they reached from Northern Ireland to somewhere in England. Yeah. And it's going to cost billions and billions and they're like, nah, I just can't. You can't do it. Do it. Just go. Just it's dumb. You can't just do it like that.

00:42:59:01 – 00:43:20:10
We got, you know, cost of living crisis behind the bridge. What's one more pound of tax? Come on, get the bridge going. I say the bridge. I want to say the bridge wasn't there. Talk about building a bridge or a dam or something like that between Scotland and the Nords. That was something that was discussed. That some fucker.

00:43:20:10 – 00:43:46:05
Really? Yeah. But they the engineer said it's impossible or something like that. Yeah, that's the bad. No. Is that. No. North Sea territory. There's no seas. I mean, no, that's fucking deadly. That is what is the country? Is it Norway there or Sweden? Sweden. But a boat based around that sort around that region there. Yeah, yeah, but they got bridges over there.

00:43:46:05 – 00:44:15:03
Mad bridges that, Oresund Bridge in is that connects Norway and Sweden. If I, if, if I'm, if I'm, if I, if I'm right, it's Five Mile bridge. I wouldn't feel comfortable going over that. I know what you're saying. I'm like that on on I like that on, ferries. Yeah. Yeah. That's. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. A ferry like a a an ocean liner and.

00:44:15:04 – 00:44:31:15
Yeah. Just getting on there. Have a good time. Drink. We can have a good time I yeah. We're getting there'll be a, you know, a dance. How do you sleep on them? You don't like it? We didn't make it to the ocean. Oh, what a guy. See you. Are you not relaxed that you want to go to sleep?

00:44:31:15 – 00:44:47:04
Are you fucking Mads? You are crazy. If you think I'm in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean by in the middle. Everywhere there's money is everywhere. And you exactly where you are. I don't want to know. I can't see land that's fucked up enough. I don't want to know. I'm exactly in the deepest part of the ocean. Fuck that.

00:44:47:04 – 00:45:04:11
And what are we? Should we just. Should we have an early night? Early night? The only way I'm going to sleep is if I'm absolutely fucking exhausted. Early night. I have to go to the free bar and get legless every single night just so I can fall asleep. And then you can't even feel the ocean. I've seen the videos.

00:45:04:11 – 00:45:26:07
Don't give me that bullshit. Yeah, I've seen it, man. I've seen it. Just getting stuck there as well. It was like that. Yeah. Did you see that one about the. It was on Netflix, where they're on the boat and, they get trapped and the toilets stop working, and that's not able to guess. I've stopped putting in bags and leave now.

00:45:26:07 – 00:45:54:08
So, if you seen that it's only about 40 minutes. Maybe it's wishing somebody, watch it. That's that. That's sad. Why straight? Well, I've just I've just realized the time. I did want to speak about the, just the, you know, quickly before we move on, the realization that kind of, that when you're stuck upside down, like, how.

00:45:54:10 – 00:46:23:16
How soon do you think? Or do you even think that John realized that this is the end? I, I yeah, oh, fuck knows. But for the interest of this conversation, I would assume he would have known almost instantly that he was never getting out of it. He knows what he was doing. He knew that he'd made a mistake.

00:46:23:18 – 00:46:45:21
Yeah. Like what? You're surrounded by solid rock. But. But the amount of rescues. You see those Chilean miners, right? They were fucking stuck down that half. They were not stuck like he was stuck there is stuck in a big room, a cave. Yeah, I know, but every situation is unique. And no one has been stuck like that before.

00:46:46:02 – 00:47:07:04
Someone falls down a well, someone does this or that and there's always a way to get people. And when you can feel someone tugging at your feet, someone's got a rope around your ankles. You can hear your name calling, being cold, you know? I mean, it's dead safety and it's just around the corner. If I could hold on.

00:47:07:08 – 00:47:33:16
He died when he died. 27 to 28 hours to die. Good. Yeah. So you're there the whole. You would want to think about it? Yeah. How much of that he would have been a conscious for because of all the, the pulling of the blood. You said in that circulation had shut down in his body. So, yeah, I would imagine a lot of it would have been completely out of it.

00:47:33:18 – 00:47:55:13
So the last, certainly the first hour and a half would have been excruciatingly all of it would have been terrible. I mean, it's like it's possibly the worst way you could die. I'd rather be eaten by a shark than that. At least I, I agree. Yeah, I think it probably is the worst plane crash eaten by a shark in the middle of the ocean.

00:47:55:15 – 00:48:24:17
Yeah. He probably. Yeah. What? Rank them? I would go, I'd go nutty party would probably be top. Yeah. Then shark, then plane Prince like the most preferable. Yeah. Yeah for sure. Yeah yeah yeah a quick quick that you know that there's after that 38,000ft in quick is it. No it's not, it could take 15 minutes of descent.

00:48:24:19 – 00:48:54:19
30 minutes. No. And you're going down into the sea where there might be sharks if you're going to drown, you'll get a severe injury. But don't die. Yeah. Then into the water. Pitch black sharks. For God's sake, can you imagine? Right. You're in the plane and land safely on the sea bed because. Yeah, and those inflatable slides pop out and you're like, oh, why?

00:48:54:21 – 00:49:14:01
I we gotta be fun. We gotta be fun. We into the sea. And it's just full of those fucking murderous bastards. Why? It would be oceanic white tips. Which are the most aggressive sharks? Probably the most aggressive sharks in the sea as well. Really? Because if they find food, they have to eat it because it come across it.

00:49:14:01 – 00:49:40:10
So, so that's what killed the Indianapolis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The one that went down in where is it? They were chewing it bubble too. It was in Pacific. Yeah. And you know, maybe half the sailors that we got hit by a torpedo and half to say there's a wind in the water. Got if you believe the stories, which was eulogized by, Quint in jaws.

00:49:40:10 – 00:50:03:17
Yeah. Well, and I do to you for, Spanish ladies. Farewell. Do you ladies of Spain? What was I saying anyway? Yeah. So? So they got eaten by what? What? Oceanic white ships? Yeah, I see, well, that that'd be the what would you be ordered? Same as yours. Right. Okay. Good, good.

00:50:03:19 – 00:50:29:10
Let's get right. Is there anything else that you want to, talk about? Not your party. No, but I quite like this. I like, I like I've liked, enjoyed talking about this. Do you know what? Right. DM the episode we did on the Titan, and this one is. Well, I've. I've thoroughly enjoyed talking about it. Let's. Why don't we find more disasters?

00:50:29:12 – 00:51:06:00
Yeah. For sure. What else? What else is terrified? There is, There's this there's quite a few that I was, that I come across when I was doing this. I just read the angles. I do. We done Twin Towers. Did we talk about, I don't know, we. I think we've mentioned it, but I mean, again, that's see, that's the thing actually when like in my mind, apart from Nazi Party, like, what as well as not if I, when I've got the rope around my ankles and I can hear people and stuff like, if I was at the top of the Twin Towers and the plane hit underneath me, there was still a

00:51:06:00 – 00:51:33:13
part of me. But there's people around this shit going on. Everything everyone knows is a disaster, that a helicopter will swing a rope to a window, and I'll be able to jump out onto that rope there, somewhere deep in the human psyche, that is, I will survive this until the end is gone. Do you know, I mean, or or do you think people just be like, there is no right way, get in office and just sit down and just wait for it?

00:51:33:15 – 00:52:00:01
I think I would be that person that is fighting until the bitter end because of it. And this is what you get. Do nine months. After 20 minutes, you have some weapons. Give up, give up straight away. It's straight up the tick tock going out. This lady, I've just googled the seven of the most brutal, bizarre deaths in human history.

00:52:00:03 – 00:52:31:08
Number one was John Jones. Oh, fuck. Really? Yeah. Number two, an idea was. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Please don't don't don't do those perilous of Athens. He is man who invented the brazen bull. A hollow which about spoken about. Formerly a hollow bronze statue designed to roast people alive while amplifying their screams through pipes. Fuck me. He presented it to the tyrant Polaris of Agora as a carcass, as a new execution device.

00:52:31:11 – 00:53:06:15
Floris, unimpressed, reportedly tested it on perilous himself, locking him inside and lighting the fire beneath. That's not very nice, is it? What, Dick? And, George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence, 1478. The brother of King Edward the sixth of England, George was executed for treason. Legend says he was given the choice of his death and chose to to chose to be drowned in a battle that of Malmesbury wine, a sweet and fortified wine.

00:53:06:17 – 00:53:33:07
Whether it's myth or true, it's one of the most famous bizarre luxury executions in history. Coins of that of wine. Weird. That's weird. In here. You thought you could just drink him to drink? It's a France ritual, says an Austrian, born a tailor living in Paris, wrote Rich. Felt, invents rich invented a parachute suit that he believed that could allow a man to safely glide from great heights.

00:53:33:09 – 00:53:53:07
To demonstrate, you jumped off the Eiffel Tower wearing his arms. Yeah, yeah, I know that parachute failed to deploy, deploy. And he fell to his feet, but felt that fell 187ft to his death in front of journalists and cameramen. He captured the whole thing. I want to see that in. Yeah. Let's get, to some of his,

00:53:53:09 – 00:54:18:13
I mean, yeah, we'll cover them, at a later date. The topic for next week is going to be turning 40 expectations. The reality. Where in life do you think you'd be? Is it where it turned out? Are you content? What would you change, if anything? Are you having a midlife crisis? The realization of your relationship not being what you thought professionally?

00:54:18:13 – 00:54:50:15
Are you where you thought you'd be sending your stories or your tales to lads? Anon pod at gmail.com and we will read them out. I was speaking to my missus the other day and I said, at this point in my life, at the age of 42, there are elements of my life where I don't think I've ever been as content as I am now, and that is a lovely feeling.

00:54:50:15 – 00:55:13:16
But the other side just don't look over there. Like just, just just ignore it. But the other bits which I'll talk about. Amazing. But a lot of the stuff that I didn't think I would be where I am now, if that makes sense. Yeah. Okay. And there's a couple of, there's a couple of other people that have emailed in about, their woes and their highs.

00:55:13:18 – 00:55:47:24
We are going to go into something only you know now. And this one is called Dead End Love. And I just want to say it was sent in at night half one in the morning. So whoever sent this in, it's it's, it's an interesting one. And all over the place. Wow. Something, you know.

00:55:48:01 – 00:56:07:01
How long did you think that? You know, how long the jingle is? What was waiting for? Yeah, I know, I know, I didn't I didn't say you do a little sign to 60s. I know, that's why I just thought, where is the phone? It must have glitched. I didn't see no. Fab. Yeah. Sorry. Dead end love. A 50 a 51 year old man.

00:56:07:03 – 00:56:36:06
Dead bedroom has been for many years. It's like. It's like bed sharing with your best mate. No sex. Anyway, one day I thought, fuck yeah. I went on a dating site for sad, filthy pigs like me. No bites. Then I get a nibble. No. And short of it, I ended up taking a hot wife's cherry in brackets. Her and her husband agreed to her.

00:56:36:08 – 00:57:15:24
We had a date, got on an arranged to meet at a ridiculously romantic hotel, had lunch and it was romantic and hot as fuck. We clicked and we fucked for about eight hours with breaks for barfs and shoving strawberries up each other and all that. I decided to eat her ass. And yeah, it was an interesting day. Her other half just pulled up like a cab upon being called, parked up at our romantic retreat when she said he loved it.

00:57:16:01 – 00:57:42:04
Anyway, I feel grateful for the experience and I now wonder what number she's on. It's a lot by now, I reckon she's too much for me long term because of the famous hot crazy matrix equation, but afterwards it made me do that inner work. Dark night of the souls. Question mark completed it. Mate, this is this is a crazy.

00:57:42:06 – 00:58:10:08
I'm glad it happened like it did. She was ten out of ten and it's helped me realize I can't do this again with another. Now getting divorced. She was fucking someone to. It's just like this extreme culture. The return it. And that is something only I know. Then it starts in the next slide. I'm just a normal bloke, but fucking hell.

00:58:10:08 – 00:58:37:02
Dot dot dot. That was, that was just like fucking now. It felt like something I was reading from, Who's that author who wrote copy? No. It's fear. Not even those scary, like, like, oh, fuck. Hundred something. Yeah, yeah, I felt like I was reading something like that. So the topic was topic. She was fucking someone to.

00:58:37:04 – 00:58:45:24
And it's just it comes out then. It's space now getting divorced. It's nice to fucking someone to.

00:58:46:01 – 00:59:12:04
Oh that's great. But, well, I hope everything's alright if you know, mate, but thank you for sending that in. If you've got any more something I need to know. Any topic suggestions, any dilemmas, send it in to lads. Anon pod at gmail.com and we shall read them out like we did just then. The topic for next week is 40 years old.

00:59:12:04 – 00:59:34:14
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