#148 | Britain’s Most Notorious Serial Killers

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Ricky: I'm going to see Tame Impala on Saturday and I'm really excited.

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Gareth Flavell: when i went When I was at a wedding last week, do you remember we had a discussion saying, i don'tmit I don't know the name of a single Tame Impala song?

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Ricky: Yeah, but there's plenty of like artists. I don't know the names of their songs.

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Gareth Flavell: Right, and then um when and then when i i I sent you a video and went, who's this? That was the joke, and you went, no, that's taken thats Dracula by Tame Impala. I'm like, but you've missed that's not we had a conversation with not knowing the names.

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Ricky: Uh…

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Ricky: Right, okay.

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Gareth Flavell: You just ruined it.

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Ricky: Right, okay.

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Gareth Flavell: You notice I didn't respond? I was angry.

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Ricky: Yeah, you don't respond to a lot of my stuff, to be fair.

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Gareth Flavell: yes Oh, you had you had a mad request yesterday. i was like, I'm never doing that.

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Ricky: What was… no No, I did not. Did I really?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, you sent a mental one. but well

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Ricky: ah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember

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Gareth Flavell: Any chance you can ask, I can't read it out, but you can see it knock up and I'm like, Charlie doesn't even pick up the phone to me anymore, so let alone, no, he's like,

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Ricky: LAUGHTER

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Ricky: Does he know? He'll be listening to this as well.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, no, I mean, the our relationship's done pretty much.

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Ricky: ah poor Charlie.

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Gareth Flavell: he yeah he's he's got He's got a baby and he's got a really important job at Getty. And thumbnails for me are like probably, in terms of priority, I probably don't, they they don't exist on his list.

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Gareth Flavell: So much so that I'll ask him for a thumbnail and it just won't come. So you're in response to your question, no.

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Ricky: Oh, God.

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Gareth Flavell: You make a thumbnail.

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Ricky: Yeah. Okay. Right. Okay. I'll do that then.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, you do it.

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Ricky: what I was going to say, I did email you.

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Gareth Flavell: Charlie, if you are listening, I love you and I'm so i'm so happy for you.

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Gareth Flavell: God.

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Ricky: We both are. I emailed you with a couple of, um, audio files.

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Gareth Flavell: Yep, I've sorted that.

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Ricky: Yeah. Oh, fucking hell. Let's go.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, but well, it's…

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Ricky: We don't need it yet. Don't need it yet. I'm just,

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Gareth Flavell: Okay, but when when you when you make them into MP3s, it's just so easy for me.

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Ricky: I did do that though.

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Gareth Flavell: I know. That's what I'm saying.

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Ricky: Oh, okay. Okay. Good.

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Gareth Flavell: Because if I was going, fucking, I opened them up and bet these are still M4As and i was like, they weren't. I was like…

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Ricky: Hey, hey.

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Gareth Flavell: So you go and say, Apollo, that's the…

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Ricky: and Yeah, going Tame Impala, but I just wanted to…

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Gareth Flavell: house I don't feel of anything about that, really.

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Ricky: Right, that's fine. But what I'm about to say, might you might kind of… Actually, i don't know. I'll just say it. But I've been really looking forward to this gig. Not only because Tame Impala was one of the last remaining kind of ah acts that I wanted to go and see, right?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: But… it's It's in Birmingham, right?

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Gareth Flavell: Ugh. Oh, all right, okay, okay.

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Ricky: which is which No, no, no, it's fine. No, it's good. It's good. um it's It's a day out for the lady and I.

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Gareth Flavell: Okay, yeah like she likes Tame Impala as well.

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Ricky: Lights, Tame and Filer as well.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: And it's a day out in Birmingham. And it's kind of like, do you know what?

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Gareth Flavell: Okay.

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Ricky: I mean, fred Fred again was different because like traveling back from Muswell Hill, it's it's ah it's hard getting back.

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Gareth Flavell: On the shovel. was it easy It's easy. from the Birmingham is easy.

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Ricky: yeah Yeah, it is easy. But I was like, do you know what?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Right next door, isn't it?

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Ricky: she's Fuck you. Shall we just get a hotel for the night?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

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Ricky: Right. Go to the gig, have a few jars, go to Broad Street, have a few more drinks, go to our hotel, you know, and then come back in the morning.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. They're rumpy bumpy.

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Ricky: Right. Okay. Rumpy pumpy. Right. this You know, this is what, so in my mind leading up to this,

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

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Ricky: get to Birmingham midday, check into the hotel at three o'clock, have a little mooch about around Birmingham, go out for some, like go out for a bit of, bit of a bite, bit dinner before the gig, not massive, just some, so some nibbles, the beers flow in, you're getting excited for the gig.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: You don't have to rush everything. You know, great, wonderful gig. You come out, you go to a little wine bar or something like that. And you, you have a few more drinks, maybe get a takeaway. I don't know.

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Gareth Flavell: Then the Rumpy Pumpy.

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Ricky: Then you go up to the hotel room and yeah, the the the drunk sex is great. Absolutely fantastic.

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Gareth Flavell: Call it

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Ricky: Rumpy pumpy, right? actually ah Bit of rumpy pumpy, right? And then wake up in the morning and you've got your breakfast.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Everyone loves the breakfast in the hotel in the morning.

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Gareth Flavell: 100%.

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Ricky: Let me go.

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Gareth Flavell: Especially a buffet.

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Ricky: It's like kind 24 hour. Yeah, it is,

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Gareth Flavell: It sounds like a dream. right Thought I'm missing the point.

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Ricky: As we're leading it up to D-Day, do you think we need to get a hotel? Because London is the same distance as Birmingham, right? Might as well just get a train, like an hour from London, an hour of Birmingham. It's the same.

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Ricky: So might as well not do did the hotel, save some money. ah um Right, okay. Okay. Yeah, that's cool. All right. we We'll get a train the way home. It's going to be… it's good Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Thought I'm missing the point, but yeah, okay.

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Ricky: It's going to… um um Plus, we'll be we'll be hanging on the way back on the train and drunk and loud people. Bright lights. All that. light It's fine. Okay, we'll do that. Should we go a bit later?

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Ricky: Because then, like, we won't have to dump the girls and my mum. like so so now with we're we're looking at trains that get into Birmingham New Street…

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Gareth Flavell: Oh.

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Ricky: half hour, 45 minutes before Tame Impala come on. So it's gone from let's get there at lunchtime and book in and, you know, lay down on the hotel, jump around on the hotel bed. That's always fun. To going by the skin of our teeth. If the train delays, we're fucked, right?

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Ricky: To go and see a band that I wanted to see for years.

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Gareth Flavell: How

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Ricky: And now it's just like nip in and nip out. Get in, get out. live by the fraught tension of, am i am I going to see them? Is the train going to be delayed? How do I get back? All of that stuff.

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Ricky: So it's gone from really looking forward to something that's in the future, and it's going to be a great day, simmered down to just a ah kind of a wee kernel of fun.

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Gareth Flavell: or how have you meant have you explained to this? have you you

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Ricky: No, no, haven't. i'm I'm doing this now, and then you're going to say, as my best mate Rick, what you need to do is you need to um take the the emotion out of it, or if you want to take it,

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Gareth Flavell: Me. Take me. Take me.

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Ricky: you need to, I don't know, tell me. Well, like I know for me, my mother's guilt is, I'm not saying fathers don't get it, but like a mother's guilt of leaving their children and being away from the home and stuff like that, that, you know,

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Gareth Flavell: i i I understand your frustration. I do.

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Gareth Flavell: Not when they're 12 or 14.

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Ricky: I know.

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Gareth Flavell: You don't really want to be around them at age.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: No. Less. More time away, if anything.

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Ricky: yeah I mean, it's been very aggy in this household this week.

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Gareth Flavell: um

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Gareth Flavell: How's it?

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: aye

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Ricky: So i mean a lot ah what why don't we just stay away for the night? Imagine the buffet in the morning, breakfast buffet.

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Gareth Flavell: Does she like Tame Impala?

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Does she like Tame Impala?

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Ricky: Yeah. And plus, even if she didn't, it's like you're going out for the night to go and watch a live act, have a beer. Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: I think, yeah, I mean, like the pro did you so explicitly explain that you were looking forward to the whole day or or not?

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Ricky: ah well I mean, personally, do you think I need to explain that?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: I mean,

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Ricky: If we're going out to a gig in Birmingham, an hour away, even if we're going to a gig in London and you're going in with your partner, right.

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Gareth Flavell: hotel, yeah, you you need to plan the hotel. but Yeah, you need to go, yeah spending your time away, you would need to at least talk about it, yeah.

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Ricky: Right, okay.

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Gareth Flavell: You didn't.

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Ricky: No, no, well i if we're staying away,

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Gareth Flavell: yeah You spoke about the hotel.

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Ricky: yes. yes

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I think… I think I could… Something could happen with Oli. think that could happen… Something like that could happen with Oli. Especially leaving later.

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Gareth Flavell: What are you going to do

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Ricky: Well, I would do what I always do. and Happy wife, happy life.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, that true. That is true. i

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Ricky: ah And all all of the rest is fine. But you know where you kind of have something that you've built up to that you're looking forward to and then it just ends up not being that thing.

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Gareth Flavell: I think that's a part of a man.

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Ricky: And it it does happen. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I think i i think people feel, and not that's not happening here. It's like you don't really get presents for Christmas. Everyone else does. And your birthday is sort of less celebrated, I think, than then everyone, or the than the female.

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: It's almost like a bit feminine to enjoy your birthday in a weird way. But I don't mind. like when When I wake up on Christmas morning, i don't i can't I don't care if I've got presents or not.

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Gareth Flavell: It doesn't matter. I like to be that someone thought of me, but i'm not bold I don't want the same amount of presents as the kids.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Ricky: Yeah. Or even more expensive.

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Gareth Flavell: Or anything, really.

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Ricky: Yeah, okay.

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Gareth Flavell: a Socks and pants would be absolutely fine.

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Ricky: Oh, mate, if I got socks and pants just for Christmas, ah i like I would be…

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Gareth Flavell: I can't think of anything I'd want. I quite want a PlayStation 5 because I have to like to give mine to my son, obviously, because how am I to have a PlayStation 5 he's got nothing like that?

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Ricky: okay.

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Ricky: Was it a begrudging? like Okay.

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Gareth Flavell: No, I just gave it to him. barely even looked at it, to be honest.

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Ricky: Right, fair enough.

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Gareth Flavell: But he's his computer died and it was his birthday and we bought him a Nutelli. Anyway, that was why. you want to explain something mental? Yeah, so you're just going have to have just go and come back, I guess.

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. that I mean, and and that's all fine.

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Gareth Flavell: You can leave earlier. Leave earlier. Just so those sort the kids out.

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Ricky: think, yeah, yeah, I think, I think, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: And we are going to leave earlier. I want to enjoy and relax. you you Yeah, you…

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I think, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Because, you know, I often do the Tottenham travel plan. ah where I kind of like the military operation of where I get to places when i'm that's like an hour away because of the trains.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah

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Ricky: Well, I've done one for for this gig. So i will explain to her that we will have to get there early because everything is quite a close shave and we don't want to miss anything really.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I just want relax.

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Ricky: If we're going all that way, then.

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Gareth Flavell: I want to leave a bit earlier. So can we just sort the kids out? I think you're within the rights there. I think it should be fine. Something weird. This sounds quite boring, but just want to… We were going to my mate's wedding in Essex last week.

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Gareth Flavell: And…

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Ricky: Okay, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: um

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Gareth Flavell: I got a job in London on the Friday that we were supposed to be going to the hotel because the wedding was on Saturday and we live far a long way away from Essex. And i was like, right, I can't turn this job down.

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Gareth Flavell: um And we're still going to the wedding. So what you're going to do is you're going to drive to me. You're going to pick me up in London and then we and then we're going to go to Essex.

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Ricky: ah okay yeah

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Gareth Flavell: london London is massive. And I looked at and I was just like, right, where's… Where can we do this? What stations near the M25? Faden Bois.

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Ricky: Yeah,

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Gareth Flavell: Or Faden Boys. don't know how you say it.

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Ricky: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: What is it?

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Ricky: No way.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, Faden Boys. um I left my… She left work. Dropped the kids off.

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Ricky: yeah

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Gareth Flavell: She left work.

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Ricky: yeah

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Gareth Flavell: I left my job.

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Ricky: yeah

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Gareth Flavell: And we arrived at Faden Boys exactly the same time. As I was walking out, she pulled into the into the car park.

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Ricky: no way

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Gareth Flavell: It was like a military operation that works out perfectly. i thought was sitting there for about an hour. was going to have find a pub. It was like, Bosh, get in, go. was brilliant. It just works. Stuff like that never works.

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Ricky: Don't you just love it when a plan comes together?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, indeed. I want play jingle.

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Ricky: on then.

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Ricky: Hello and welcome to Lads Anonymous, it's episode 148. Ricky, he's Flav, two best mates, one main topic, we answer your life dilemmas and confessions in our feature, something only you know, and everything remains anonymous, always, so sit back, relax and enjoy the pod.

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Ricky: That, um, that how we record now, obviously where the theme team plays and I can hear it and then I have to come in. It always makes me feel like I'm a ah radio presenter or something like that.

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Ricky: Cause I have to get the timing right. it makes It makes me feel like important or something.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Hmm.

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Gareth Flavell: It makes me just feel I want to take pills every time I hear it. I want to take pills. I want to go out and take pills.

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Ricky: ah

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Gareth Flavell: um i got I got a message, mate. You know, you talk like Tame Impala. You love Tame Impala.

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Ricky: m

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Gareth Flavell: I got a message from the one of the band members of Mount Kimby who, because they were watching The Overlap and I was on i posted a picture of myself hosting on The Overlap.

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Ricky: Wha- wha- why? How?

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: um for those everyone's gonna know what it is um and they liked it and then they followed me mount kimby followed me the band's um instagram account and i was like i fucking love mount kimby and then i posted a picture and i and i i posted a picture of ah with the sound with with blue blue train lines

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Ricky: One of their tracks, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: and the And now I was thinking, ah, because I knew, that I thought they followed me, maybe they'll see this. And then they reached out.

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Ricky: What did they say? they Tottenham fans or just…

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, the one one is, he said,

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Ricky: I like your little beard.

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Gareth Flavell: it wasn't but weird like that.

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Ricky: okay.

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Gareth Flavell: He says, hi fly off Kai from Mount Kimby here. Unreal to get an early shout on the pod, because i mentioned it on the pod. Season ticket holder and long time listener of Fighting Cock.

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Ricky: Fuck. Yeah, good. Yeah, that's good,

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Gareth Flavell: Even listen to and enjoy the lab. So parasocialness is mutual. So I said, I've got this parasocial relationship. But I was like, this is so cool.

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Ricky: yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Really pleased that you've heard the music. And I said, hello, mate. Such a lovely thing to read. In my most hedonistic years, Mount Kimberley were there with me. The last few days, I've been listening to the Sunset Violet.

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Gareth Flavell: I'm sort playing up to it now.

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Ricky: yeah good yeah that's good yeah

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Gareth Flavell: Listen to the album, mate. Sunset Violet. It's really good. Thank you for the music and stay in touch. We'll have a beer one day over Spurs.

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Ricky: Hey, that's cool.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. And, and what else happened? James Madison liked my tweet. No, no, liked my picture.

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Ricky: Really?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: ah You've got it all going on.

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Gareth Flavell: I mean, i know it's ridiculous because I'm like 44 and I shouldn't be sort of, you know, enamored by that. But am.

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Ricky: um I don't understand why you wouldn't want to share those feelings. That's cool, man. know what mean? Right, we've got a ah lot to crack on with today.

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Gareth Flavell: What are we talking about?

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Ricky: Right, now we'll get to that bit, right?

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Gareth Flavell: all right.

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Ricky: First of all,

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Gareth Flavell: Okay.

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Ricky: ah the you know the new feature of… dont Don't listen, right?

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Gareth Flavell: Don't listen.

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Ricky: ah Don't listen.

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Gareth Flavell: love it.

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Ricky: this a fucking but This is a mental feature.

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Gareth Flavell: love… What is it for people that might have…

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Ricky: ah so So don't listen is a feature devised by Flav whereby you send in an audio, ah yeah a voice note to us via email, wherever it is.

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Ricky: And we don't listen to it. We just play it. And then we riff off whatever is being played to us.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Last week, someone sent one in and Flav and I had no idea what was being said.

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Gareth Flavell: ah Yeah, it was mental.

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Ricky: It was mental, right? And they've written in, Hey Rick, so I knew that reaction was coming.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: I'll try and put some context around it. First of all, that's an Irish accent you're listening to, which says, all right. You hear United got Ronaldo back.

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Ricky: United! It was a voice note sent around back when Man United re-signed Ronaldo.

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Gareth Flavell: but

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Ricky: It was one of the funniest things that we had ever heard. The more you play it, the funnier it gets.

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Gareth Flavell: It was weird.

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Ricky: It was. um And as well, it it's but it was one of the funniest things we have ever heard.

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Gareth Flavell: i was

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Ricky: Who's we?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, just more context, if anything.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Let me see if I can find it.

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Ricky: Okay. um so Yeah, and they like obviously I had no idea.

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Gareth Flavell: I'll play again.

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Ricky: I thought I was quite good with like my meme culture and like what's going on, but I hadn't heard of it.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah

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Ricky: There was one person in our comment on Spotify that knew exactly what this was. So fair fucks to you, to the lad S that got that.

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Gareth Flavell: Really?

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Ricky: Well done.

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Gareth Flavell: I've got it. I've got it.

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Ricky: I'll go and play it, play it.

00:17:01.07
Gareth Flavell: Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

00:17:02.13
Ricky: Okay.

00:17:03.00
Gareth Flavell: Hold on.

00:17:03.82
Ricky: Hold on.

00:17:05.02
Gareth Flavell: Hold on.

00:17:05.86
Ricky: That's what say to Mrs.

00:17:06.97
Gareth Flavell: Fucking hell. Why isn't that working? All right. Give me give me and let two minutes, Rick.

00:17:10.42
Ricky: Right. Okay. ah

00:17:11.45
Gareth Flavell: Two minutes, Turkish. right.

00:17:13.18
Ricky: And then we have another voice note that has come in today, ah which is part of which is part of that.

00:17:19.70
Gareth Flavell: Right, now I've got it.

00:17:21.36
Ricky: Okay. This is last week.

00:17:21.72
Gareth Flavell: Right, so this is the one from last week.

00:17:22.84
Ricky: this is last week

00:17:23.96
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:17:38.91
Gareth Flavell: I've never heard that before.

00:17:39.96
Ricky: No, I haven't. No, that's it that's a new one. That's a new one.

00:17:49.97
Gareth Flavell: Alright,

00:17:50.10
Ricky: ah That's good. Right. Okay. And um I have no idea what's going to come next.

00:17:56.28
Gareth Flavell: Oh, we can do it now, are we?

00:17:56.49
Ricky: It's what we might as well. So this is that this is the new ah don't listen audio that we received this week.

00:18:08.98
Gareth Flavell: Oh, for fuck's sake.

00:18:09.40
Ricky: Oh, for fuck's sake.

00:18:11.77
Gareth Flavell: but

00:18:12.09
Ricky: so Oh my God.

00:18:14.46
Gareth Flavell: You are fucking disgusting.

00:18:17.62
Ricky: Fucking hell.

00:18:18.90
Gareth Flavell: i can I know who did that.

00:18:21.24
Ricky: Really?

00:18:22.33
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, ah without question that was Jack. Without question.

00:18:25.75
Ricky: ah do you know what? i can't i can't I can't confirm or deny because it's a lads anonymous.

00:18:29.69
Gareth Flavell: it was It was him. It was him. It was him.

00:18:31.74
Ricky: It's lad it's lads anonymous, but that was fucking foul. Whoever did that.

00:18:39.29
Gareth Flavell: You do know, you fucking pig.

00:18:39.64
Ricky: But yeah, yeah, that that is.

00:18:41.88
Gareth Flavell: It's exactly the kind of thing he would do. Yeah.

00:18:45.73
Ricky: Yeah, it is. I mean this is this is a on point for lads. So thank you for that. ah Actually, do you know what? I'm not going to say thank you for that. That was absolutely grim.

00:18:53.22
Gareth Flavell: It's disgusting.

00:18:54.65
Ricky: If you want to hear your audio played out and we don't know what it is, it could be absolutely anything. Send it in.

00:19:01.66
Gareth Flavell: Was that the only one sent in?

00:19:02.99
Ricky: That's the end. Well, no, we've got we've got more, but I'm not going to fucking do them all in one hit.

00:19:04.96
Gareth Flavell: All right. Fine. Send them in. Don't listen. Don't listen. Whatever you got.

00:19:10.50
Ricky: Yeah.

00:19:10.96
Gareth Flavell: It doesn't have to be mental. It could be anything. This is your chance.

00:19:13.66
Ricky: Yeah, yeah. Just feature on the pod. Send it in to ladsanonpod at gmail.com.

00:19:16.51
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:19:20.50
Ricky: But just make sure you mention it in the title on the or on the file.

00:19:25.20
Gareth Flavell: All right, next time.

00:19:26.06
Ricky: Don't listen. And I won't. That's it. And it will just go straight out. I've sent you another. ah So last week, the topic was ah male friendships and the rules and bro codes and stuff like that.

00:19:34.59
Gareth Flavell: Okay. All right.

00:19:39.26
Ricky: Somebody has sent us in a voice note. about their rare situation. You're going hear it now.

00:20:31.03
Gareth Flavell: I mean, the blokes broke the brocode there in a big way, didn't he?

00:20:33.30
Ricky: Yeah, yeah. yeah

00:20:35.74
Gareth Flavell: What a scumbag.

00:20:36.02
Ricky: Who's done that?

00:20:37.05
Gareth Flavell: What a scumbag.

00:20:39.07
Ricky: can't, yeah, that's fucking, that is, that's pure outers, man.

00:20:40.70
Gareth Flavell: That ain't your mate.

00:20:43.67
Gareth Flavell: i would I would really think about eliminating that person from my social circle.

00:20:49.17
Ricky: Eliminating them forever.

00:20:50.33
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I mean, I know sometimes you can't and you don't want to, um but fuck, if he could do it to him, he could do it to you. Yeah.

00:20:58.23
Ricky: um oh God, I didn't even think of that. That is fucking, yeah, that is, that's naughty. I mean, I mean, it's obviously more than naughty, but it's like, you know, bro codes of not mentioning what other people get up to.

00:21:12.77
Ricky: you But then, like, you're all mates. You can't, you can't lie about that. And especially if that if there's conversation and banter and stuff like that happening, you are, the other person who this is happening on are going to look like a total cunt because they don't know that that geezer

00:21:17.24
Gareth Flavell: did it

00:21:30.61
Ricky: serving up his missus, which is, mean, I think I, would you grass in that situation? i i don't know if I could grass.

00:21:37.43
Gareth Flavell: No, I don't think I would.

00:21:39.09
Ricky: I don't know if I could grass, but I would be like,

00:21:42.03
Gareth Flavell: I'd be like, mate, you and you are a fucking scumbag.

00:21:44.85
Ricky: ah you take to the person direct.

00:21:45.14
Gareth Flavell: lee Yeah. Yeah, you're shagging your mate's missus.

00:21:46.85
Ricky: Right. Okay. Yeah.

00:21:48.85
Gareth Flavell: Fuck off.

00:21:48.98
Ricky: Right.

00:21:49.53
Gareth Flavell: Get away from me.

00:21:49.72
Ricky: Yeah.

00:21:50.41
Gareth Flavell: That's what i'll be like.

00:21:51.58
Ricky: Yeah.

00:21:51.61
Gareth Flavell: Never call me. Never call me.

00:21:53.62
Ricky: Right. Okay. Good.

00:21:54.94
Gareth Flavell: o

00:21:55.47
Ricky: That's good advice. that say Yeah, it's good. um

00:21:57.34
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:21:58.55
Ricky: Before we move on to today's topic, a quick shout out to the gentleman who will be listening, who sent me, um he heard us talking about chili. Did you ever get to the bottom of your jalapeno pizza, by the way?

00:22:12.19
Ricky: Why it was so hot.

00:22:12.25
Gareth Flavell: No, i was just, I might go back and have another one.

00:22:14.94
Ricky: Right. Okay. You need to do that.

00:22:15.77
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:22:16.50
Ricky: thank

00:22:16.44
Gareth Flavell: i didn't get back to it. No, don't understand.

00:22:20.41
Ricky: And then, um, I was speaking about Tabasco sauce. The original Tabasco sauce is no longer no good for me.

00:22:24.82
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:22:27.85
Ricky: And I have habanero Tabasco sauce.

00:22:28.15
Gareth Flavell: You need

00:22:30.17
Ricky: and This gentleman said, I have one called Tabasco scorpion sauce. I think it's called.

00:22:36.31
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:22:37.27
Ricky: I have an unopened one at home with a plastic seal on it. you want me to send it to you? Yeah.

00:22:43.93
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:22:44.09
Ricky: Free chili sauce. Why not?

00:22:45.88
Gareth Flavell: Have you had some?

00:22:46.71
Ricky: Yeah, have.

00:22:47.90
Gareth Flavell: Oh, what's that?

00:22:49.34
Ricky: Yeah, it's it it's a bit it's a bit lively. it is a bit lively.

00:22:51.51
Gareth Flavell: Do some now. Do some now.

00:22:52.66
Ricky: No,

00:22:55.64
Gareth Flavell: Would you not be able to talk if…

00:22:57.50
Ricky: no no, no, I would be. i would be able to talk. It's fine. But thank you very much to the person who sent that. That was a very lovely, kind gesture. And I did have it on my spag boulder in the week.

00:23:08.02
Ricky: So thank you very much. It's getting… it' getting a

00:23:10.23
Gareth Flavell: Did you put it on the reddit?

00:23:11.61
Ricky: Yeah, fucking that. Yeah, doused it. When I've done the first like little knockout of it, it's so only supposed to like drip, but like loads shot out.

00:23:18.36
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, you're like, oh no.

00:23:18.53
Ricky: And I knew was going to be like ah a Russian roulette of a bite that I was going to get a scorpions. And I did. So thanks for that. And last thank you to everyone on Patreon. I put a video out that I was testing the um I keep calling it GoPro because it's easier to say that, but it's that actually DJI camera. Doesn't matter. But I was doing different angles of filming in my car from when I do fish with Rick. um And I posted it on Patreon as free content to say, to get people's feedback. There's been fucking loads about which angle is best. So thank you to everyone that answered. And by the way, if you've not signed up to patron, you can do it for free and you can comment like everyone else did. patron.com slash lads, a non pod. So thank you for all the feedback with that video.

00:24:07.90
Ricky: Do you know what the topic for today is right?

00:24:10.76
Gareth Flavell: can't remember.

00:24:12.10
Ricky: Okay. So you've done your homework of your five serial killers.

00:24:16.79
Gareth Flavell: Oh, yeah, no, I haven't.

00:24:17.34
Ricky: ah ah It's fine.

00:24:19.67
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:24:20.70
Ricky: It's fine. um

00:24:22.36
Gareth Flavell: ah My favourite one's Dennis Nilsson. He's good.

00:24:24.82
Ricky: Right, okay. Well, it it it won't um it won't surprise you that he is in the rankings today.

00:24:31.22
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:24:32.15
Ricky: course he is. Of course he is. Now, before we get into this, right, serial killer, the definition, a serial killer is typically defined as an individual who murders three or more people over a period of more than a month,

00:24:47.51
Ricky: with a cooling off period between each event. These murders are usually separate events driven by psychological motives such as thrill-seeking anger or a need for power and control. I quite like the bit that a cooling off period. Not a serial killer if there isn't a cooling off period.

00:25:07.10
Ricky: ah Just, you know, to gather your thoughts about what you did. Go again, because you enjoyed it.

00:25:11.67
Gareth Flavell: Why haven't we got one at the moment?

00:25:14.30
Ricky: Well, I mean, that that we I do answer that ah later on in the pod.

00:25:17.90
Gareth Flavell: All right.

00:25:19.45
Ricky: I mean, I don't answer, but we will discuss it. But I do need to, I have to chat to you about some ground rules here.

00:25:28.00
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

00:25:28.34
Ricky: Because um I know this is serious content, right? um We need to do it properly and we need to have respect for it. Does… the timeline matter to you when it was committed.

00:25:41.69
Ricky: What I'm talking about is Victorian era England or modern day.

00:25:46.04
Gareth Flavell: ah Yeah, it's got me one day to interest me, really. Like,

00:25:50.33
Ricky: Right. Okay. Right. Okay. I see. Yeah.

00:25:52.82
Gareth Flavell: jack Jack Ripper is it's just too long ago and like I don't even know if it actually happened.

00:25:59.82
Ricky: Right.

00:25:59.91
Gareth Flavell: I know people say it happened but could just made it up.

00:26:01.21
Ricky: Yeah. Right. Okay. So the waiting is on modern day. Right.

00:26:06.36
Gareth Flavell: Up for me. Yeah, if I'm rank the ranking if i'm ranking them, yeah.

00:26:07.13
Ricky: Right. Sure. Okay, that no, that's this good to know. i know

00:26:11.62
Gareth Flavell: I'd even go like as far back as like the 70s is a bit. I want

00:26:15.32
Ricky: ah Okay, no, no, you've got to say 60s.

00:26:18.56
Gareth Flavell: 60s. Why?

00:26:19.10
Ricky: Because everything, anything that happens, 60 plus matters in life, anything.

00:26:19.16
Gareth Flavell: Why?

00:26:25.10
Ricky: Respectfully, you know, Beatles, Tottenham winning trophies. um What about amount of dead bodies?

00:26:39.83
Gareth Flavell: If it's too much, less interesting. Like Shipman, 200 payments, 200 patients, killed. And he was just sort of, was he finishing off oldies?

00:26:51.61
Ricky: Well, I mean, that's 200, though.

00:26:52.76
Gareth Flavell: All right. I know, but he's not he's got to be…

00:26:55.37
Ricky: Oddie count is fucking that mad.

00:26:56.80
Gareth Flavell: He didn't stab anyone, did he? That's the thing. he didn't like

00:27:00.28
Ricky: Well, the syringe, maybe.

00:27:00.25
Gareth Flavell: He didn't… in ah i know i know i know that Shipman is like the guy.

00:27:03.13
Ricky: okay, no, no.

00:27:07.51
Gareth Flavell: you know He's done the most. But it's almost like he was doing him… ah don't know. I just felt like… If if we're thinking of serial killer, you're thinking of like violent death.

00:27:13.46
Ricky: Public service or something. Right, okay. Okay. Right, okay. And um what about, so if we're talking about body counts, what about alleged the conviction?

00:27:28.31
Ricky: We've got…

00:27:28.36
Gareth Flavell: Alleged is fine because you know you've got them.

00:27:28.46
Ricky: a come Yeah, and alleged, I think we can assume that they fucking did it.

00:27:30.34
Gareth Flavell: He's got them on there.

00:27:34.11
Ricky: Let's let's not be let's not beat around the bushes.

00:27:36.12
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:27:36.55
Ricky: Let's not be silly about this, right? And the waiting is, well, how gruesome. What about if it's like a gun to the back of the head in comparison to…

00:27:44.31
Gareth Flavell: No, guns. It's got be knives. Yeah.

00:27:46.44
Ricky: Knives. Oh, right. Knives. Yeah, knives are…

00:27:48.62
Gareth Flavell: Like, are we talking about UK or are we going into the US?

00:27:49.40
Ricky: Yeah, they're pretty certain, eh?

00:27:53.40
Ricky: British. British. No, I'm not fucking American.

00:27:55.26
Gareth Flavell: Because ours are shit compared to theirs.

00:27:55.97
Ricky: Oh, well, you just… You wait.

00:28:00.24
Gareth Flavell: Alright.

00:28:00.38
Ricky: Just you wait. And then, ah finally, the… um

00:28:07.06
Ricky: Kind of a… If it's sex, kidnapping, children…

00:28:12.47
Gareth Flavell: and There's always sex involved isn't there juotypically but typically but yeah much worse of your child obviously.

00:28:14.17
Ricky: the Yeah. Does it make it worse if it's child? Right. Okay. What about child and sex?

00:28:22.50
Gareth Flavell: Of course that's like the worst of both of of everything.

00:28:24.60
Ricky: Right.

00:28:24.56
Gareth Flavell: okay.

00:28:24.88
Ricky: Okay. I just need to understand the weight in, right?

00:28:27.29
Gareth Flavell: okay okay

00:28:28.06
Ricky: Okay. And do they get, I'm not going to say extra points because, you know, we're not actually scoring, but if there was a nickname, you know, the Yorkshire Ripper,

00:28:31.04
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:28:41.62
Ricky: Something like that. but Does that that hold any weight in the conversation?

00:28:47.00
Gareth Flavell: I think so. I would imagine. I mean, in some sort of nickname. and ah Sometimes I find it really confusing, like nicknames and and stuff.

00:28:57.40
Gareth Flavell: Like, she was like, what's her name?

00:28:59.06
Ricky: Yeah.

00:29:00.46
Gareth Flavell: What's her name? Foxy Noxy.

00:29:03.22
Ricky: okay

00:29:04.22
Gareth Flavell: Like, she they thought they murdered Meredith Kutcher.

00:29:08.12
Ricky: yeah

00:29:09.56
Gareth Flavell: But the paper's called her Foxy Noxy. And I know that's kind of something that she referred to herself, I think. And they ran with it. But why run with it? It's weird. I always thought that was really weird. Like she's talking about murdering someone and you've given her like a playful name.

00:29:22.16
Gareth Flavell: I've

00:29:23.00
Ricky: Yeah, i

00:29:25.40
Gareth Flavell: always struggled with that.

00:29:26.42
Ricky: Yeah, that was weird. That was very weird.

00:29:28.82
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:29.82
Ricky: um We will… I mean, we'll do we'll do an American one after. oh Actually, I do want to get… like Do you think… um

00:29:39.38
Ricky: American serial, like murderers, and American serial killers are glamorized more than that.

00:29:42.33
Gareth Flavell: better yeah yeah

00:29:44.20
Ricky: like Like Britain, it's like fucking cold November rainy day and you've juked them up at a bus stop. And America, it's like they've got shades on, they're sitting in the car the coffee and…

00:29:56.98
Gareth Flavell: yeah you're like Dahmer's my favourite Jeffrey Dahmer yeah Bundy was like he had loads didn't and didn't women loved him as well didn't they

00:29:58.55
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. No, Bundy. Bundy is fucking…

00:30:06.68
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:09.33
Gareth Flavell: I'd known… ah and And wasn't he known, Ted Bundy? He was like a public personality.

00:30:16.14
Ricky: don't know, actually.

00:30:18.79
Gareth Flavell: I think he was…

00:30:18.93
Ricky: I don't know. He's fucking, yeah. ted but yeah I think for, like, I've got hold myself here. But Ted Bundy is, like, for me, the he's he's the one. He's the one. Do you think, like, our kind of, like, Netflix generation of this kind of dramatised documentary, Ed Gein, all these other bods,

00:30:44.50
Ricky: That it's kind of um trivialized it entertainment rather than fucking…

00:30:49.59
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's fascinating, right? Obviously, death and people that take people's lives has always been like, you can't help but not but but but but be interested and and by it.

00:31:00.47
Ricky: o

00:31:01.77
Gareth Flavell: And the monster series that Netflix are doing, they've done Dharma, they've done Hello, Dear Mother… What's his name? Gein.

00:31:09.84
Ricky: Ed Gein.

00:31:10.87
Gareth Flavell: um is so well put together, those those programs, that in some…

00:31:15.26
Ricky: Yeah.

00:31:17.60
Gareth Flavell: I wouldn't say glamorizes it, but you get kind of access. It is so well made and so real that you kind of get access into the way that it's almost like explains why they became what they became.

00:31:26.53
Ricky: Hmm.

00:31:35.99
Gareth Flavell: Which is fascinating, right? But Ed Gein had the really weird relationship with the mother and with sex and and ah went through lots when he was a kid. And then and it talks about the aftermath of of his killing spree when he was in hospital and how the manipulation continued, especially of women.

00:31:56.54
Gareth Flavell: And how people would message him all the time. Or women would message him. What is it with women's obsession with with with these things? Like my step-mom and my ex-girlfriend would would always talk about and want to watch things about murders.

00:32:11.67
Ricky: Yeah.

00:32:14.49
Gareth Flavell: Maybe because it's so scary.

00:32:14.75
Ricky: I

00:32:15.80
Gareth Flavell: And obviously women are more vulnerable physically.

00:32:18.39
Ricky: so i think it's just quite interesting, isn't it? Trying to understand where people and why people have done it. It's like the main thing of why people fucking go down these alleys.

00:32:30.18
Ricky: Right. we've got We've got a lot of, we've got some good solid British guys to go through. Guys and girls, actually. I am going to start off with the the icon of this.

00:32:36.85
Gareth Flavell: Yep.

00:32:41.12
Ricky: the the The one who sits at the top of the chain as in time with Jack the Ripper. five victims, ah the unidentified Victorian killer who murdered five women in London in 1888. It's the, um he did that.

00:33:01.40
Ricky: He sent like clues and letters to the police. And also he had such a way with a knife that he was able to kind of cut all their organs out and display them and display their bodies in a way that was just…

00:33:21.14
Gareth Flavell: Maybe he was, are you saying he might be a doctor or a surgeon or a butcher?

00:33:24.99
Ricky: Or a butcher. Yeah. And don't you think it's mental how no one knows who it is? Those five killings happen and then, boom, stopped.

00:33:35.61
Gareth Flavell: was it So the films that been made about him suggest that he had some sort of political leaning. He might have been a political figure as well or a surgeon or someone like that. He was known publicly. that's that That was in films and stuff. I think you've seen, what was that one where Johnny Depp played a detective?

00:33:53.21
Gareth Flavell: And that was what he was alluded to in that.

00:33:55.10
Ricky: Right.

00:33:56.15
Gareth Flavell: um But, yeah, it was always prostitutes as well, wasn't it? Yeah.

00:34:01.69
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah. this That's a very common theme. Poor prozies.

00:34:05.05
Gareth Flavell: They never caught him.

00:34:05.98
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

00:34:06.87
Gareth Flavell: I suppose it's because they're kind of seen as on the fringes of society. that they're like like they're They're less likely to be seen or publicly or be missed, perhaps.

00:34:13.88
Ricky: Yeah.

00:34:16.89
Ricky: Yeah.

00:34:17.85
Gareth Flavell: And also, they're more vulnerable and they're selling there's always just generally like a sexual element to it.

00:34:19.16
Ricky: but More vulnerable.

00:34:24.99
Gareth Flavell: And the fact that they're selling telling their bodies, maybe that's what's attractive. I don't know. That's what seems to be alluded to in my pseudo psychology I'm going for here.

00:34:32.09
Ricky: Yeah. back Back in the day, police didn't really care for prostitutes.

00:34:36.62
Gareth Flavell: prostitute in the I did, I did, I never did it in the, in the, um I went to the London dungeon and they did a big thing about Jack the Ripper then.

00:34:36.96
Ricky: Yeah. as the It was kind of their own law. But, you know… um But when we spoke before, the Victorian era wasn't really your kind of, didn't didn't whet your appetite. Jack the Ripper. I always wanted to do a Jack the Ripper tour.

00:35:01.78
Ricky: Any good?

00:35:01.72
Gareth Flavell: That was quite good when I was a kid. always found London dungeon a weird thing. Have you been?

00:35:05.56
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah, have. Yeah, yeah.

00:35:07.06
Gareth Flavell: Miserable.

00:35:07.90
Ricky: Yeah.

00:35:08.53
Gareth Flavell: Absolutely miserable in there. It's like I've got all these sort wax mannequins that move that are being tortured and stuff.

00:35:14.65
Ricky: yeah i've never i've been to london dungeon but i've never been to the actual um so london london dungeon's the actual museum yeah london bridge i've not been i've not been there you know where the you know the two is it kings that were buried there whatever and all everything else that's fucking museum yeah tourist attraction but not to the actual

00:35:14.95
Gareth Flavell: And I'm like, what's the appeal

00:35:23.25
Gareth Flavell: here? It's in London Bridge.

00:35:34.10
Gareth Flavell: what You've been into the London Dungeon tourist attraction.

00:35:39.90
Gareth Flavell: Oh, Dennis Nilsson.

00:35:42.04
Ricky: No, I'd like to do that, actually. Right, okay, so… We'll get into…

00:35:49.37
Gareth Flavell: so Why not talk about him now? what what do have to Is he number one for you?

00:35:51.85
Ricky: Because… he's He's not, no.

00:35:55.39
Gareth Flavell: ay

00:35:55.93
Ricky: He's not. ah so Let me just get these these couple of little ones out the way.

00:35:56.72
Gareth Flavell: He's number one. Well, number one for me.

00:35:59.81
Ricky: So we've got Marianne Cotton, 21 victims, Victorian era, poisoned fucking everyone, right? I don't really know that name. So she is, unfortunately, I'm going to discount her.

00:36:11.13
Ricky: Amelia Dyer. She was known as the baby farmer, believed to have killed dozens, potentially hundreds of children in her care. And we've got a more modern day.

00:36:23.66
Gareth Flavell: Dennis Nielsen.

00:36:24.66
Ricky: no No, he's coming. Don't you worry about him. ah Beverly Allit, four victims, a nurse who killed four children in her care in 1991 and later on confessed to 11 murders.

00:36:42.36
Ricky: Right. This one.

00:36:43.51
Gareth Flavell: Is.

00:36:44.21
Ricky: i know this one.

00:36:45.12
Gareth Flavell: No.

00:36:46.93
Ricky: i i Do you remember this one? So ah Joanna Dennehy.

00:36:51.13
Gareth Flavell: no

00:36:52.41
Ricky: She stabbed and killed three men, attempted to kill another two and wanted to do nine like Bonnie and Clyde. She was known as the Peterborough Ditch Murderer.

00:37:05.88
Ricky: In court, she was laughing and confessed, she saying she wanted people to see her fun. Killing is more-ish. She only did it to male victims. Wouldn't do it to any ah women or especially women with children. But she fucking just bowled about knifing people and then throwing them in ditches.

00:37:27.22
Gareth Flavell: there was There was one, was that is that in America?

00:37:30.33
Ricky: No, no, is it?

00:37:30.73
Gareth Flavell: Peterborough?

00:37:30.89
Ricky: No, so all of it. it's All of it's Britain.

00:37:33.02
Gareth Flavell: Imagine sort of bowling around Peterborough of all places and then just getting murdered.

00:37:35.73
Ricky: Yeah.

00:37:36.78
Gareth Flavell: but

00:37:37.05
Ricky: Out walking your dog. Out walking Frank. And that's it. Excuse me, mate.

00:37:40.02
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:37:40.66
Ricky: You got the time? Yeah, it's quarter bus.

00:37:41.60
Gareth Flavell: But…

00:37:42.94
Ricky: Bosh! Fuck.

00:37:43.84
Gareth Flavell: And that's…

00:37:45.80
Ricky: Why have you done that? Bosh! Another one. Did you find it funny? Right. Now we're getting into, we're starting to go into a bit more choppy waters here.

00:37:54.80
Gareth Flavell: Dennis Nilsson.

00:37:57.92
Ricky: Levi Belfield.

00:38:00.21
Gareth Flavell: Oh, I don't like that one. He killed Millie Downing, didn't he?

00:38:03.00
Ricky: Fucking excellent. Good knowledge. Good knowledge. Well done. Well done.

00:38:07.38
Gareth Flavell: I mean, it it was it was when I was in my 20s and that.

00:38:09.98
Ricky: Yeah, it was big, wasn't it?

00:38:10.65
Gareth Flavell: and are ah But wasn't a lot of the phone tapping stuff that happened in the media on and off the back of that case that they'd… Basically, these journalists that have been fucking tapping her phone to find out what happened in the run-up to her being murdered.

00:38:22.72
Ricky: Yeah.

00:38:25.78
Ricky: Yeah.

00:38:26.47
Gareth Flavell: Voicemails and shit like that. That is… And then that was the downfall of News of the World, which is a Sunday newspaper we had in England.

00:38:32.98
Ricky: Yeah.

00:38:33.24
Gareth Flavell: It was dismantled. And I mean, it wasn't really taken away because they just rebranded it, The Sun on Sunday. But yeah, News of the World was the Sunday version of The Sun. So and in back in the… it Well, still to this day… You have your newspapers all through the week. And on Sunday, you have a bigger version of the newspaper. So traditionally in England, the Sunday newspaper was quite important.

00:38:55.96
Gareth Flavell: And you would sit down, you would read before the advent of the internet.

00:38:59.49
Ricky: Nightmare for paper, boys.

00:39:01.14
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it was indeed. um And the snoozer of the world was the scummiest version of all of those. It was essentially the you know tabloid newspaper in the most extreme.

00:39:07.42
Ricky: Yeah.

00:39:11.61
Gareth Flavell: And they tapped Millie Downing's phone along with many, and as it transpired, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of phone calls, phones, of celebrities, everything, to get information on a girl that had been murdered.

00:39:18.65
Ricky: Yeah.

00:39:23.08
Gareth Flavell: type what What kind of fucking rat does that?

00:39:26.39
Ricky: Yeah, that is grim.

00:39:26.46
Gareth Flavell: um So, but he was, um he I thought he just did one. Was he, he killed more?

00:39:31.19
Ricky: three three Three plus victims…

00:39:33.30
Gareth Flavell: And all girls?

00:39:34.66
Ricky: Convicted of murdering Millie Dowler, Marsha McDonnell, and Amelie De La Grange, I think her name is.

00:39:36.92
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:39:43.26
Ricky: Serial killer, sex offender, now goes by the name of Yusuf Rahman. Rahim. Yusuf Rahim, I think.

00:39:51.44
Gareth Flavell: Well, he's converted to Islam.

00:39:53.11
Ricky: He has, yeah. He, prior to that, kidnapper, murderer. He's like a bus stop traditional…

00:40:04.12
Ricky: see younger a young girl, a bus stop, bundler in the car, killer, chuck her in the woods. But that was a big one when we were growing up, wasn't it? That was like…

00:40:11.73
Gareth Flavell: there was yeah because i don't remember the other girls and I thought it was just Millie Dowling which is um

00:40:21.22
Gareth Flavell: which is yeah miss yeah terrible already no let's go you know why like Dennis Nilsson are we can we start with him or is he not

00:40:24.21
Ricky: Right, now we we are… um This is… Yeah, this is this is this is the big stuff here. Right, okay, why? No, he's not. Not yet.

00:40:34.42
Gareth Flavell: All right,

00:40:34.85
Ricky: Not yet. Yeah. Is that Ian Brady and Myra Hindley's music? By God! do do egg comes the Moors murderers.

00:40:47.80
Gareth Flavell: What was the deal with them then?

00:40:47.93
Ricky: That was…

00:40:48.96
Gareth Flavell: I remember Ian Brady and Myra Hindley were kind of the most famous until Fred i mean until fred West turned up.

00:40:54.10
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:40:57.56
Gareth Flavell: but Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Brady, those were the big ones when we were growing up.

00:40:57.86
Ricky: Okay. Okay.

00:41:02.52
Ricky: Yeah, they were. And with the Moors Roaders, so kidnapped and killed five children in the 1960s, buried them on Saddleworth Moor.

00:41:13.69
Ricky: At least four were sexually assaulted and dubbed the most evil woman in Britain, Myra Hindley was.

00:41:17.14
Gareth Flavell: Fucking hell.

00:41:22.17
Gareth Flavell: That was it, it wasn't it? There's a female that's involved.

00:41:24.44
Ricky: Yeah. ah what And the but case was so famous because the police failures, media frenzy, and the fear affecting women across the country and crimes against children. The public fucking loathe them. Now, when I say the public loathe them, obviously they're murderers, but these guys, like they were, when I was growing up, ah even though it wass like kind of like 40, 50 years later, like it was still in my head about…

00:41:52.86
Ricky: the Moors murderers and Myra Hindley, Ian Brady. So they're, you know, they've got five to their name. There's probably more, but it's children again and sexual stuff.

00:42:02.99
Gareth Flavell: What? Your children's fucking fucked, man. Like, what is wrong with them? um And that's it. It's, like, fascinating to figure out what's gone on in their brains to the point where they normalise this, where they can do it.

00:42:10.07
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:14.71
Ricky: Yeah.

00:42:16.34
Gareth Flavell: um it always used to I used to live in Holloway, and um it would always sort of blow my mind. that there was Holloway is a famous female prison and any any anyone who's done anything really bad would probably spend time in Holloway prison and just always used to look at when I used drive down the um the road from Camden and just think like there's like when was a kid and that like hidden to me could be in there and others

00:42:30.30
Ricky: Yeah.

00:42:35.13
Ricky: Yeah.

00:42:46.56
Ricky: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's mad, isn't it

00:42:48.89
Gareth Flavell: yeah crazy

00:42:49.46
Ricky: Would you ever want to go in one? Like maximum security prison just to…

00:42:53.66
Gareth Flavell: you Have a little look. Yeah, wouldn't mind.

00:42:54.86
Ricky: Would

00:42:55.45
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, have a little look.

00:42:57.25
Ricky: We've got one in Milton Keynes, Woodhill.

00:42:59.03
Gareth Flavell: maxim Maximum.

00:43:00.18
Ricky: Maximum, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

00:43:01.59
Gareth Flavell: Really?

00:43:01.69
Ricky: Cat A, yeah.

00:43:02.85
Gareth Flavell: Oh, mate. Terrible.

00:43:03.38
Ricky: Yeah, there's some been some fucking absolute wrong-uns in there.

00:43:04.41
Gareth Flavell: we ah We've got what? what we We've got Earl Stoke Prison, but it's a cat's seat.

00:43:12.57
Ricky: Oh, so that what they could climb over the fence and get you?

00:43:15.91
Gareth Flavell: I bet they're only in for like fraud and that, so I don't think they will i don't mean they could get me even if they wanted to.

00:43:20.92
Ricky: Oh, they just got run up to you and say, what's your bank details?

00:43:21.25
Gareth Flavell: I bet not.

00:43:23.90
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it's nothing violent.

00:43:24.00
Ricky: And you tell them and then you fraud it up. Nightmare.

00:43:27.16
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:43:27.35
Ricky: ah ah ah By the way, if anyone is listening and can hear a gentle hum in the background, some dickhead has decided to cut their grass. I mean, it is 11 o'clock on a Friday.

00:43:40.02
Ricky: So, know, there are. that's good.

00:43:41.08
Gareth Flavell: I can't hear it, so they won't be able to.

00:43:41.41
Ricky: Can interest you in Lucy Letby?

00:43:43.28
Gareth Flavell: I wouldn't know.

00:43:45.98
Ricky: can i interest you in lucy letby

00:43:51.99
Gareth Flavell: Interesting.

00:43:53.11
Ricky: kind Like, where where where does she figure?

00:43:54.06
Gareth Flavell: It's quite… what isn't it like what's What's she been accused of?

00:43:56.33
Ricky: Is she a serial killer? which is Is that classed? Right. A neonatal nurse found guilty in 2023 of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others, making her one of the most prolific child serial killers in modern British history.

00:44:17.88
Ricky: So by the kind of, know, by the letter of the law of serial killer, that would put her in this category. Seven victims, probably more.

00:44:26.54
Gareth Flavell: But she, and and yeah, but there is isn't there some controversy around how she was convicted? and and

00:44:32.15
Ricky: Yes. Yeah, I'm glad you're glad you picked up on that.

00:44:34.99
Gareth Flavell: Well, it's all over the news in the last couple of years, isn't it? so

00:44:37.72
Ricky: they still They still, I think, I believe it's still ongoing. And there was quite a recent bit of media.

00:44:40.44
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. What is it? Do you know?

00:44:43.70
Ricky: No, I don't. i think it's good.

00:44:45.48
Gareth Flavell: Luckily, I've got it here. The case became one of the most high-profile criminal trials in modern British history because the victims were newborn babies in a neonatal unit and because prosecutors argued she deliberately harmed infants in different ways while working hospital shifts.

00:45:01.15
Gareth Flavell: Since the conviction, there has been a public debate and a media discussion about the medical evidence and safety of the convictions. Some doctors, statisticians and commentators have questioned aspects of the prosecution's case, while courts have so far upheld the convictions.

00:45:15.78
Gareth Flavell: As of now, legally, she remains convicted.

00:45:19.86
Ricky: Oh, fuck. So, right.

00:45:21.27
Gareth Flavell: But I think it's an ongoing, i think it might be…

00:45:23.74
Ricky: I don't think she gets away from that. i think she I think she's pretty much nailed the cross on that one. But yeah, I mean, it's like, as in, ah for the waiting, there was no knives. There's no, you know, it's quite a, again, it's kind of like Shipman, wasn't it? Where she was like over drugging or doing stuff like that, I believe.

00:45:42.81
Ricky: Um, like injecting air into veins and stuff or something weird like that she was doing. um

00:45:49.85
Gareth Flavell: um

00:45:51.22
Ricky: which, ah you know, it's horrendous, horrendous stuff.

00:45:51.51
Gareth Flavell: Well, it was just, yeah.

00:45:56.38
Gareth Flavell: so but says It says some doctors and experts have argued that several of the babies were already extremely premature or critically ill and infections, pooralll poor care, natural complications or underlying conditions could explain similar of the deaths and collapses.

00:46:12.86
Gareth Flavell: um Critics have focused on disagreements between medical experts. Some say the prosecution experts interpreted events as deliberate harm where ah when there may not have been clear scientific proof.

00:46:26.78
Gareth Flavell: A major part of suspicion came from Lucy Letby being present present during many incidents. Some s statisticians and commentators warn that coincidence alone sometimes looks suspicious in hospitals where staff work many shifts and they argue courts should be careful about pattern evidence.

00:46:45.24
Ricky: Oh, okay. I mean, that's interesting, isn't Like, so she's the full guy because she's been working shifts and she's been present at most of these.

00:46:59.74
Ricky: I mean, that is like…

00:47:01.69
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, but they're saying it's not evidence. it's code it's it's

00:47:04.60
Ricky: Yeah.

00:47:05.54
Gareth Flavell: It's coincidental, potentially.

00:47:07.16
Ricky: Right, okay, shit. And some of them could have been the children were ill anyway and it was just bad… Healthcare care and stuff. I mean, that is, that is yeah, that's fucking choppy waters there. um We are going to go on to my favourite, not your favourite.

00:47:23.35
Gareth Flavell: Dennis knows…

00:47:27.38
Ricky: It's the Wests. Fred and Rosemary Wests.

00:47:30.49
Gareth Flavell: He had such a weird looking face, didn't he?

00:47:32.68
Ricky: Mate, he was so, he's so, for both of them, the pair of them, just by looking at their photos, you knew they were out to no good in Gloucester.

00:47:33.24
Gareth Flavell: i

00:47:40.36
Ricky: You fucking knew it.

00:47:42.26
Gareth Flavell: You know there's that famous picture.

00:47:44.28
Ricky: Yes.

00:47:44.78
Gareth Flavell: He just looks evil, doesn't he?

00:47:46.04
Ricky: Yeah, yeah. Ten plus victims we're talking about here. The couple murdered at least ten women and girls, including family members, at their home in Gloucester. The crimes included rape,

00:48:01.99
Ricky: bondage, torture, mutilation. The victims' bodies were dismembered and typically buried in the cellar or garden of the West Residence in Gloucester, which became known as the House of Horrors.

00:48:17.24
Gareth Flavell: Roswell. the Yeah.

00:48:19.34
Ricky: Horrors.

00:48:19.58
Gareth Flavell: Summit Gardens. Roswell Gardens.

00:48:22.46
Ricky: What were they?

00:48:23.05
Gareth Flavell: 47.

00:48:23.67
Ricky: ah Oh, was it? thought it was Cromwell Street.

00:48:26.20
Gareth Flavell: Cromwell. Cromwell Street.

00:48:27.10
Ricky: Right, okay.

00:48:27.20
Gareth Flavell: That's it. Yeah.

00:48:28.98
Ricky: um Actually, Fred was convicted of ah previous to any of this ABH, child molestation, deception, indecent assault, possession of stolen goods, theft and unpaid fines.

00:48:44.73
Ricky: ah Rose, after their second child, became a prostitute. and used to conduct service in the second bedroom at the top floor of their home.

00:48:56.63
Ricky: So not a happy home life, as you can imagine, but this was one of those, you know, when you just hear news stories about um things that live on in your mind, and I remember them doing their kind of air excavation work.

00:49:14.39
Ricky: I believe I do. And, um, you know, when they're digging in the garden, they're finding more bodies under the patio. Um, in the, I think one was found in the chimney, in the chimney breast, like just pushed up into the chimney. This is their own children.

00:49:31.74
Ricky: This is fucking, this is, I remember thinking this is the most insane thing I think I've ever heard.

00:49:32.82
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:49:38.66
Ricky: Yeah,

00:49:39.38
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it was mental. And I found them under the, in the patio. Yeah.

00:49:44.02
Ricky: yeah, yeah. yeah Yeah, patio dogs. im Fucking…

00:49:48.76
Gareth Flavell: It says here that many of his Fred West crimes involved dominant like so that basically criminologists and psychologists point to a combination of factors that are likely contributed to his crimes.

00:49:51.86
Ricky: Yeah.

00:50:00.60
Gareth Flavell: Many of his crimes involved domination, torture, humiliation and violence.

00:50:05.48
Ricky: Ugh.

00:50:05.50
Gareth Flavell: and investigations believed he derived a gratification from power and control over his victims. but so ah what West grew up in ah in a deeply troubled environment marked by abuse, neglect and disturbing family dynamic dynamics.

00:50:21.78
Gareth Flavell: While most abused people never commit violent crimes, severe early trauma can contribute to distorted behaviour and emotional development.

00:50:29.52
Ricky: Oh, well, so West is, her yeah, it's fucking very grim.

00:50:31.48
Gareth Flavell: Pretty grim.

00:50:35.58
Ricky: so I mean, so for for me, that is, that's what that's I'm going to say that's my my ah number one for me. Moving on to the next one. Who is it?

00:50:46.72
Gareth Flavell: Dennis Nelson.

00:50:47.65
Ricky: No.

00:50:48.28
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:50:48.63
Ricky: yeah ah It's the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe. Peter, 13 victims. thirteen victims So he's outdone Fred here.

00:51:01.85
Ricky: and Rosemary, convicted in 1981 for murdering 13 women and attempting to kill seven others in Northern England. The search for Sutcliffe was one of the largest and most expensive manhunts in British history. West Yorkshire police faced severe criticism for their failure to catch Sutcliffe, despite having interviewed him nine times in the course of their five-year investigation.

00:51:27.96
Ricky: That's embarrassing.

00:51:28.04
Gareth Flavell: Blimey. Yeah.

00:51:31.04
Ricky: Interviewed nine times. Still couldn't get him. That is like… And as well, the name, the Yorkshire Ripper, modelled after fucking Jack.

00:51:41.72
Ricky: That is…

00:51:42.62
Gareth Flavell: He… Did he… um it He… It was just prostitutes for him, wasn't it?

00:51:48.22
Ricky: um

00:51:48.34
Gareth Flavell: Or not?

00:51:49.59
Ricky: it says here 13 women attempted to kill seven.

00:51:49.91
Gareth Flavell: Not just… but

00:51:52.99
Ricky: i Yeah, he did. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Yeah. He was one. He was the gentleman that I think he was a local area and then moved to the red light districts because of the vulnerability and the way that police looked at um prostitutes back then.

00:52:09.40
Ricky: But yeah, he's, um I mean, 13 victims is that's, that is, that's a lot.

00:52:15.27
Gareth Flavell: It's mental. Let's talk about Dennis Nilsson.

00:52:18.01
Ricky: Do you know who the next one is?

00:52:19.19
Gareth Flavell: Dennis Nilsson.

00:52:20.83
Ricky: Dennis Nielsen.

00:52:22.12
Gareth Flavell: Do you know why I'm like not obsessed with him, but sort of interested in him? Because it happened in Muswell Hill where, and I would walk past his house and the house still stands.

00:52:27.96
Ricky: Yeah.

00:52:32.59
Ricky: Yeah.

00:52:33.37
Gareth Flavell: and people live in that house now, but he killed like 25, no, it was about 15 men.

00:52:35.74
Ricky: Oh my God.

00:52:39.07
Ricky: 15 fit so uh dennis nelson civil servant who killed at least 15 young men and boys in between london in london between 1978 and 1983 um he's also necrophile

00:52:56.34
Gareth Flavell: So you'd have sex with the but but bodies or,

00:52:58.49
Ricky: dead bodies yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah loved it

00:52:59.77
Gareth Flavell: hey he um So it happened yeah near where I lived. And the fact that what's mental about it is that this street is just a terraced street.

00:53:11.03
Ricky: o

00:53:11.40
Gareth Flavell: So there was just hundreds of houses on this one street. It's a very long street in Muswell Hill around the back of it. And to walk from one end to the other on this single street would probably be about 10, 15 minutes.

00:53:22.54
Ricky: Fuck!

00:53:22.64
Gareth Flavell: And it's long and winding.

00:53:24.54
Ricky: Right.

00:53:24.66
Gareth Flavell: And there were just houses everywhere.

00:53:26.87
Ricky: Yeah.

00:53:27.03
Gareth Flavell: And the fact that he'd managed to get as many people into the house, kill them and dismember them and keep the parts for so long without being discovered, just fucking blew my mind.

00:53:33.88
Ricky: Yeah.

00:53:39.36
Gareth Flavell: Like people are in the house next door, enjoying their lives, going to sleep and the next door is… just carnage and he got caught because he was flashing body parts down the toilet and it clogged up the drains and they they they sent in a rentacle like a rentacle like a you know these drain clearage company but yeah one of them and they just found chunks of flesh in the in the um in in the sewage and then obviously at that point they they they found body parts but it worked for a long long time And if you haven't seen, there's a brilliant dramatization of this with Robert, no, what's his name?

00:53:45.27
Ricky: Yeah.

00:53:50.84
Ricky: Yeah. don I think it's Dinerod. Yeah.

00:54:16.18
Ricky: Yeah.

00:54:21.54
Gareth Flavell: Doctor Who.

00:54:23.46
Ricky: Uh, uh, Tennant.

00:54:23.54
Gareth Flavell: Neil, no, what's it? Dave Tennant or Neil Tennant?

00:54:26.88
Ricky: I can't, we're doing Petshop boys, isn aren't we? Neil Tennant.

00:54:29.27
Gareth Flavell: and Neil Tennant, yeah, David Tennant.

00:54:31.35
Ricky: Yeah.

00:54:32.89
Gareth Flavell: Neil Tennant is Pet Shop Boys, isn't

00:54:34.09
Ricky: Yeah.

00:54:35.45
Gareth Flavell: And because they because he looks a bit like him,

00:54:39.00
Ricky: Yeah.

00:54:39.64
Gareth Flavell: And when they when he when he's in character, it looks almost identical to dent how Dennis Nilsen looks in in real life.

00:54:46.87
Ricky: It was great. It it was, a yeah, it was great.

00:54:48.73
Gareth Flavell: was good one.

00:54:50.42
Ricky: And when the plumbers um were found that what they described as, it looked like human flesh and bones, Nilsson was there and he said, I think someone has tried to flush KFC down the toilet.

00:55:09.42
Ricky: And that's what that is.

00:55:11.19
Gareth Flavell: that where Is that a Howie?

00:55:11.80
Ricky: that Yeah. Yeah. And then they were like, hmm.

00:55:15.31
Gareth Flavell: Did he say KFC, was it? It was chicken.

00:55:16.82
Ricky: Yeah. well Well, I think he said KFC.

00:55:19.54
Gareth Flavell: Oh.

00:55:20.50
Ricky: ah well a Or, yeah. I don't know.

00:55:23.60
Gareth Flavell: It's definitely cooked chicken.

00:55:23.78
Ricky: i so Yeah, definitely cooked chicken. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:27.00
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah,

00:55:27.45
Ricky: But, um yeah, and then obviously that's how he was caught. 15 victims. That's minimum. And then we get to…

00:55:37.11
Gareth Flavell: there's probably more.

00:55:38.68
Ricky: Oh, 100%. I was reading this account of him and he was his first victim. He was.

00:55:44.92
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, he did say Kentucky Fried Chicken. I just checked. Yeah, he did say that.

00:55:47.74
Ricky: yeah Fucking mad thing to say, isn't His first victim, he went to a pub.

00:55:50.42
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:55:54.57
Ricky: They refused to sell him because sell alcohol to him because he was so drunk. He managed to kind of chat to this 15 year boy 14 year old boy.

00:56:08.22
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:56:08.86
Ricky: because the boy thought he was about 17, said, I'm going to get drinks from the offy, want to come back to my house, went back to his house. They had a night of drinking, listening to music and just chatting.

00:56:22.42
Ricky: They both fell asleep. And Dennis woke up in the morning and saw the boy was still asleep and was like, I want him to stay. I don't want him to go.

00:56:32.73
Ricky: i want i want to keep him here.

00:56:34.52
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:56:35.48
Ricky: So he was like, I'm going to be here around Christmas time. I'm going to be here all on my own. I want the boy to stay for like two weeks over Christmas period.

00:56:46.52
Ricky: Then he just got like a ah tie or something like that, strangulated him and then drowned him in a bucket of water um and then wanked over his body twice and then hid him under the floorboards.

00:56:51.22
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:56:53.78
Gareth Flavell: Jesus.

00:57:04.02
Gareth Flavell: What about the smell?

00:57:05.59
Ricky: ah He was there for eight months. um And then he was like, fuck, it absolutely honks in here.

00:57:13.41
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:57:14.11
Ricky: need to do a little with bonfire in the garden and dash dash this young lad on the bonfire, which is, yeah, i mean, like, yeah.

00:57:15.80
Gareth Flavell: Get rid. Get rid.

00:57:21.91
Gareth Flavell: Think about the smell. You haven't thought about the smell, you bitch.

00:57:23.72
Ricky: good What? What's that? Yeah.

00:57:28.28
Gareth Flavell: That's always sunny in Philadelphia.

00:57:30.01
Ricky: ah ah No one ever thinks about the smell, even with Ted Bundy stuff.

00:57:30.87
Gareth Flavell: big

00:57:34.65
Ricky: Right, we're just going to go to the top Donnie here. Last one.

00:57:38.62
Gareth Flavell: Who is it?

00:57:39.99
Ricky: You know who it is. It's fucking Shippo's.

00:57:41.41
Gareth Flavell: Shippers. Shippers.

00:57:44.01
Ricky: Shipdog. Howard Shipman, 200 plus victims. like Right, Dennis Nielsen is 15 plus. Shipman is 200 plus. Some people even report of 250.

00:57:55.89
Gareth Flavell: man.

00:57:56.28
Ricky: Manchester GP, Shipman was convicted of ah In 2000 of murdering 15 patients, but a 2005 report estimated he killed approximately 250 people, making him one of the most prolific in history.

00:57:57.78
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:58:14.49
Ricky: I mean… Do you think he doesn't get like the credit he, like the the kind of, a not the credit he deserves, as in, no, I'm talking about the the the why he isn't glorified as the the top ah murderer because he was a GP and it was administered drugs.

00:58:20.06
Gareth Flavell: Credit either.

00:58:32.83
Ricky: It wasn't your type of sexual predator, ah knife crime, that type of, it's like you were saying about just prescription drugs and a syringe here and cheer in there.

00:58:33.34
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:58:42.39
Gareth Flavell: What was it? what So what was he doing? Were they turning up and then…

00:58:45.46
Ricky: I don't actually know. i like i remember at the time he was saying about… um I remember at the time watching the news story and there was something to do with he was making some of them getting so drugged up and out of it that they were changing their will and putting his name down.

00:59:07.35
Gareth Flavell: Really? Yeah.

00:59:08.12
Ricky: Yeah, but i kind of remember, a lot that's what I remember when this was all kicking off back in the day, that he was getting them to, that they were so out of it that they were changing their will.

00:59:18.43
Ricky: And i was like, but wouldn't surely, like, if these people were dying and like his last 10 patients have left large sums of money to Shipman in a will, wouldn't you kind of think something's going on here?

00:59:33.05
Ricky: You what you know, he wasn't very clever about that, Harold.

00:59:33.37
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:59:38.42
Gareth Flavell: ah It says, no one can be completely certain why Harold Shipman killed so many people. He never fully confessed or explained himself. Psychologists, investigators and ch criminologists put forward a few theories. Power and control.

00:59:49.82
Gareth Flavell: Many experts think Shipman enjoyed the absolute control he had over life and death. God complex. Some investigators believe he the alert developed a sense that he alone decided who lived and died.

01:00:02.52
Gareth Flavell: and He had some sort of psychopath like psychopathy. Psychopathy.

01:00:07.99
Ricky: I mean, that's fucking crazy. I'm still kind of like, I don't know how he did it. Like, I know he's like, i've like ah like he was prescribing patients with stronger medication than they needed, but I don't understand why.

01:00:13.78
Gareth Flavell: it says surely that's trackable as well oh look he took too much of this type of drug right where did he get the drug the gp all right that's weird we better check might have made a mistake and then it's happened a hundred times um

01:00:35.91
Ricky: I think that's that's how it was found out because so one of the ah like the nurses or someone in the in the practice had to count a sign death certificates and was like, fucking hell, like Shippers has got loads on his desk. a lot Why has he got so many death certificates that I have to count a sign? This can't be coincidence. This is weird.

01:00:56.92
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:00:57.14
Ricky: And I think they tried to investigate him and maybe they did they didn't at first, but then they eventually did.

01:00:57.23
Gareth Flavell: Mm-hmm.

01:01:03.90
Ricky: But I don't ah don't like understand it. Like giving old people like stronger medication than they need that slowly killed them. now what lot i didn' Maybe it's the God complex of what i this is what I can do and no one can stop me.

01:01:17.24
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, he's just like… Yeah, I've said most of his money… It wasn't about money. said, unlike some killers, money does not appear to have been the main motive. He did forge ah a victim's will late in his crimes, but most murders… Most of the murders had no obvious financial benefit.

01:01:32.78
Ricky: I do remember, I remember reading the story as well that um he had bought, they found in his house a specific type of typewriter that types in a font for wills.

01:01:32.84
Gareth Flavell: It's just a nutter.

01:01:43.09
Gareth Flavell: right.

01:01:43.90
Ricky: So I don't know, but I mean, yeah, maybe.

01:01:45.97
Gareth Flavell: I think it might have just been that one case where he was forging a wheel.

01:01:49.06
Ricky: so out of all those, you still, Dennis is your top.

01:01:49.30
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:01:54.14
Gareth Flavell: I mean, yeah, because it was so close. know Every time I walked past the house, I would look look at it and…

01:01:59.62
Ricky: Light candle. a

01:02:00.82
Gareth Flavell: No, but I don't… It would, like… It'd have a weird energy about it.

01:02:04.44
Ricky: yeah

01:02:04.54
Gareth Flavell: I know that's just my mind playing… It's just my mind doing it. I understand that because I know what happened, but it just felt… The air feels thick around that house.

01:02:11.64
Ricky: when when i was a kid i remember a uh someone died in the house you know like very kind of ah children's uh stories and how they get twisted and stuff someone died in a lower ground floor flat there was blood sprayed all up the walls

01:02:21.69
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:02:28.09
Ricky: The person died, but there was no ah mark on this person's body. And no one knows how they died. There was a ah common thing that their eardrums burst and blood sprayed out of their ears all over the walls.

01:02:39.80
Gareth Flavell: ah That's that oh aorta.

01:02:42.01
Ricky: ah Yeah.

01:02:42.92
Gareth Flavell: it Probably a ruptured aorta that came out of the mouth, maybe.

01:02:45.18
Ricky: Yeah, something like that. um But every time when I used to do my paper on it, I'd have to deliver to that house. um so And it used to freak me the fuck out.

01:02:54.49
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, you sort of quickly go in, drop it off, and then then you're out.

01:02:56.49
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't be pushing the newspaper all the way through the letterbox like I would to everyone else.

01:02:58.92
Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

01:03:03.10
Ricky: Like, just quick jab and then then fucking run for it. ah For me, I'm going to have to go with Fred and Rose because it was their own children and the way they were buried and sex. yeah Everything that kind of came apart for Fred was just fucking absolutely…

01:03:21.28
Ricky: It's so grim. You can't even, ah can't even comprehend how someone is so cruel and callous and troubled and all of that.

01:03:26.55
Gareth Flavell: It's horrible, isn't it?

01:03:29.90
Ricky: So right, there we go. That's, that's the list. Okay.

01:03:33.75
Gareth Flavell: Good.

01:03:33.94
Ricky: um with Good discussion there. We are going to go on something only you know. The topic for next week is the simulation theory.

01:03:41.04
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

01:03:44.92
Ricky: The simulation theory proposes that all reality, including human consciousness and the universe, is an artificial hyper-realistic computer simulation created by an advanced civilization.

01:03:52.28
Gareth Flavell: Interesting.

01:03:58.30
Ricky: Uh, we'll discuss other theories. Uh, there's a lot flying about at the moment, a lot of, ah conspiracy theories, um, how we're all living. and AI plays a part in this.

01:04:09.26
Ricky: Um, but like there is that I've got a few questions that I'd like to have a chat with you about. So if anyone else has any theories they've seen, then send them in and we'll discuss them.

01:04:14.45
Gareth Flavell: right.

01:04:20.59
Ricky: Lads are non pod at gmail.com. And we are going to go into something only, you know,

01:04:32.89
Ricky: Getting shit-faced. I just finished up an adult rec league basketball game. I got in my car and drove home. I sat on my couch, wallowing in my performance and out of shape body, thankful that my girlfriend was at work instead of sitting through my shitty basketball game.

01:04:54.58
Ricky: I love her dearly and even had a pair of underwear customized with her face on them. It only cost me 20 bucks. Decent quality.

01:05:06.07
Ricky: a great buy. She loved it when I wore them. I just drunk a small protein shake. I feel a rumble in my stomach thinking it's just a fart.

01:05:17.69
Ricky: I attempt to let rip. It wasn't just a fart. I had absolutely shat my pants, wet and stinky. I ran into the bathroom, cleaned myself up and threw away the underwear.

01:05:32.54
Ricky: I immediately ordered another pair of the same customized underwear to cover it up. To this day, my sweet girl does not know i shat right on her face.

01:05:44.86
Ricky: And that is something only I know. I mean… we're talking about serial killers here. Who orders underwear with their partner's face on it?

01:05:58.36
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, that is pretty circular energy, yeah.

01:06:00.09
Ricky: I mean, that is like, I understand. And I've even thought about it. The thought has crossed my mind to buy my missus pajamas with the kid's face on it or my or my face on it just for a laugh, just for a little gimmick, you know, present or whatever.

01:06:06.56
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:06:08.89
Gareth Flavell: With your face. Oh, right, yeah, yeah.

01:06:15.54
Ricky: But to buy, and can you imagine wearing boxer shorts with your wife's face on it?

01:06:20.76
Gareth Flavell: No, because I'm not like i'm normal.

01:06:22.94
Ricky: Yeah, exactly.

01:06:25.12
Gareth Flavell: I don't think you should rate it.

01:06:25.62
Ricky: Exactly. no i'd No, no, no, no. It's pretty grim. ah Thank you for that. By the way, everyone else, if you listen to this, something only you know, the the last four have been about people shitting themselves, right? We have run out like people shitting themselves, okay?

01:06:44.41
Ricky: We don't have any more.

01:06:45.21
Gareth Flavell: Maybe it's time. Maybe is it time to um to end?

01:06:47.51
Ricky: Maybe, maybe it might be. that's ah That's absolutely fine. We can do that.

01:06:52.50
Gareth Flavell: m

01:06:52.98
Ricky: So if there's anyone else out there

01:06:54.84
Gareth Flavell: Last call.

01:06:55.80
Ricky: last call for something only you know that you really want to get something off your chest send it into lads and on pod at gmail.com we also have it like you can go to any link in any of our social profiles where there is a anonymous form so you can write it on there send it in there's no location emails or anything registered we'll have no fucking idea who it is So if you're one of the people that are regularly in the DMs that say, I've got something, i need to get it to you. Now is your time to feature on the pod.

01:07:28.15
Ricky: So next week is simulation theory. I've been Ricky. He's been Flav. We hope you have a lovely week.

01:07:36.59
Gareth Flavell: Bye-bye.

01:07:37.30
Ricky: See you later.

01:07:58.60
Ricky: Thank you.