#55 | Auditors | Self-Policing And Citizen Journalists Will Be The End Of Us

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Rick. Yeah, I've had the I've had a tough week. No. And it's nothing to do with football. Okay. So do some. It's been on the news. Whoa whoa whoa. What is it here? You must know. No. Well, you have been watching these last week. I've been watching the news, but, I mean, bits and pieces. Seems just to be Russia.

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Just bombing Ukraine on Christmas Day. Russia? You're in the right ballpark with Russia. Oh, God. What are they doing? Oh, I'm going to second I, I did did I see something? Someone sent me something the other day, actually, all this morning, and it was a bit of, Was it the Santa Claus? Right? Well, what is it?

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Tell me. Tell me, who is that? Believe that Russia has shut down a passenger plane and Azerbaijani passenger plane. And this footage of the people inside the plane and the plane going up and down before it crashes. I have to say, I'm not saying that up and down, but I've seen the people being dragged from the wreckage. I was like, I was literally the last thing I saw last night as I scroll it and I was like, what's going on?

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There was people shouting and being a for fuck's sake, there's a plane on the floor. And I said, Oh God, well, I don't love. I thought, oh my God, I got rings. How have you missed? This is the last we have. You know how people sending you stuff? No, I haven't, thank God. Oh, my. What? I don't want people to be able to listen to this podcast, because we did a whole episode on why I was scared of going in an airplane and then said everything about plane crashes as soon as they happen around the world.

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It's almost the same thing with sharks, Ricky, is that I'll get sent a shark attack. This happened. Do you think I haven't seen it? I know it's come. It's kind. It's really lovely that people do send it. And I'm really like. I'm grateful. But I see everything all the time. I'm looking at ten videos a day. I wake up focusing on the kind of short videos.

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Right? You're not sending me anything I haven't seen. I'll send you shit if you want to see shit. Okay. Anyway, so this is plane. This. So this plane is in the sky. The some guys on the ground, a video on it, and it is just doing this review for the people at home. It's just going down.

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And then, and then down and, and, and what they're doing and Ben probably be. Listen to this. Our pilot friend. Yeah. Controlling the descent of the flappers, the trying to keep the plane steady. And they just can't. Do you know why they can't. Why? Because I reckon the Russkies fucking shot up the plane from the ground.

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They got wreckage on the ground, bullet holes all in it. Right? That's that's that's good. It's actually more convincing that they shot the plane than they thought it was a loose screw. Yes, yes, at least we know. At least we know that it didn't just fall out of the sky. Do you know? Do you know I watch air crash investigation?

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I used to watch that. I don't know why, why? Why? It's like watching a scary movie. But if you want to be scared, it's one of those ones. It's one of those programs that it's really popular. And I just cannot get why people are like, oh, if air crash investigation, should we stick that on for hour? Yeah. Why not?

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It's a bit like women that watch, but like the murder programs about women being murdered, I think. Yeah, you're right. Actually, I, I might be, I've been a bit, I don't know, like, sexist here, but I'm pretty sure that the audience for, like, there's like murder channels on like the, the channel 456 on Sky. Yeah. So I mean well down, well down.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And the audience right is 90% female, 10% gay.

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I don't think that's offensive. I think that's fair. Maybe 1% ex-cop. That I've been, over this Christmas period. I've been watching a murder documentary. Let me. Yeah. The jinx. I know, it's, I know it's out. I watched it, but I I've been, recommended it for ages. What do you think? You know what I thought?

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I thought it's great. There's one thing I can't really understand, though, that I know. Spoiler alert, that he. He kills people. But in one of his buildings, there was a guy that who died in there, and he was on trial for murdering this guy, and he got not guilty. So he didn't murder this guy, but he admitted to dismembering his body and dumping it in the city.

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And then nothing happened. But, it's like we're trying you for murder. We don't think you murdered him. Don't worry about the cutting up of the body and find it in the city. That's all right. You're not on trial for that. It's just the murdering part. I don't know how many. How many alternate bodies. And do what you want with them.

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All right? Move him around. No. Just because it's in, you're out, as you call it. That's better. Well, it's my property, so I do what I want with it, and no questions get asked. Do you remember the bit where he. He recovered a body from under water free by putting in for the rib cage? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was it.

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That was the torso. That's it for any fruit? Yeah. It will never leave me that image. Okay. He's such a weird little man as well. But, yeah, I watched something really good last night. If you don't. Recommendations. Yeah. Go on. Go, monkey man. What a film. It's basically an Indian John Wick. Okay. No, I haven't. It's not a problem.

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You haven't seen it. It's a popular film. Action. Reeves got lots of gunplay and shooting and and like most of the film, is just him fucking people up, right? Yeah. Monkey man is like that. But it's better. It's like more intelligent. It's more. It's funny, but it's also shot brilliantly. Dev Patel, you know, the guy who did, Slumdog Millionaire?

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It is his first directorial debut is Violent Ricky. And there's this progression of his character. It's really interesting and it's all set, and it's really interesting environment that you're not used to in the West at watching. It's in India and it deals with what does it do if it does have government issues and it's on a on a very sort of surface level and it's just fantastic.

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It's just from start to finish. We put it on last night because I'm off to drink and, and I don't like I find it hard to sort of concentrate if I've had a couple glass of wine I love, I love like settling down for a film. Anyway, put this on. Generally, if I'm kind of not drinking, I don't know why I just fund films unless they're really good.

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Difficult catch my attention and to to flip to my phone. Yeah, me and my missus didn't even look our phone. We just watched the film from start to finish. Genuinely. If you want to see a mental film that will entertain you and is interesting, is shot brilliantly and fucking violent, like violent, then monkey for you, right? Sticking out of this actually.

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Did you say Dev Patel directed it? He directed it and co-produced it and starred in it with, and you know who backed it? Which is why you. I think he had a massive plot in his Jordan Peele. You know, Jordan Peele is, you know, you might have seen some of the sketches. Jordan. Oh, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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So that's what you did while back. But now he's, he's a serious producer and director in Hollywood. He done get out. He done. Don't look up. He done. He's on a few massive films I don't I can't recall right now. And he produced it which probably gave it the access to, you know, much easier to get it into theaters, given that Jordan Peele was attached to it.

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If it was just a Dev Patel action movie shot in India, it might have been more difficult to get it promoted over here. It was made for 10 million pounds. It made 35 million, which in relative terms to Hollywood is small but maybe smashed out of pocket. It's such a good film. Yes. Go and dev getting there sudden.

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Definitely one of my Indian brothers to get behind. Yeah, me. I'm fucking doing that. Hell yeah. All right, so we start. Started apart. Let's go.

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On the night. Hazy like Band of brothers playing Jones. High as quite midnight waves. Surfing through to daylight breaks rhythm. Here's different ways. Love of music. We prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band as I we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Brothers. Hello and welcome to lads anonymous is episode 55.

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I'm Ricky Hayes, two best mates. One main topic we answer your life dilemmas and confessions in a feature called Something only You know. And everything remains anonymous always. So sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast. Plus, how was your Christmas, by the way? Yeah, it was really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fantastic. You know, spend it with the old man just chilling out, drinking, eating food.

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It was just. It was me. Mummy says it was Dad and Valerie, and it was my stepmom. The two kids who, like, you know, 15, 15 and 16, 15, 17 now. So they just sort of stated themselves. So it was just children just watch film films. And the, you were sending me some photos of the, the weapons of choice of booze that you were going to be sampling on that day.

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Yeah. These are these these are, the various. Oh, yeah. I've, I've never seen so much alcohol in my life. It's it, I called you, and I know you called me, then I did I call you back? Does it matter? And it was like, at 11:00 and and, you said, oh, you drinking? And I was like, yeah, yeah, I've just opened my first bottle of beer, actually.

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And then I said to you, oh, what are you drinking? And you said wine. And I said, that's interesting, because in the previous part, I'd said that my booze that I'd be drinking would be one. And you were surprised. Oh, you're going for wine straight like it's quite early. So. So then I was, like, surprised that you would said wine because you said that was quite early.

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And I was like, oh, you see, come for wine first of all. And you were like, that ain't my first regret. Which is why that attitude is why I'm now consider myself sober. Fucking is not a joke, Rick. I got a I had I went to the doctor's, I've got, I have an operation on my hernia which has come back and I had my sort of pre examination and, you know, like, your blood pressure's high.

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And I was like, well, I'm 43. I don't worry about blood pressure. I like that it's high. And you need to you need to we need to check out what it is. So that fucking suddenly taken my top off. I'm having egg things put all over my body. Oh, shit. Nothing wrong with my heart. There was nothing wrong.

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I've a blood tests on all my organs, and, But I know what it is. It's just the it's it's excessive drinking. And I'm sitting in this chair for every day of the week, not moving, not going to the gym. And it's just created this sort of like a tsunami of bad decisions. What is what I never get well, what high blood pressure is.

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What does that mean? It's it's the it's the pressure. Well, actually, let's just get a definition than me butchering it. Yeah. Hypertension. The I know you say about the, sitting in the chair, but you walk the dog and you go for like, long enough walks with the dog that gets you moving. Does that not count? I guess it counts, but not enough.

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Not when you. I spend most of my time sitting still. That's a little longer. So there's blood pressure, the force of blood pushing against the artery walls as the heart pumps blood through the body. So, yeah, too much pressure on your arteries isn't going to be good, is it?

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So it's it's you. No more booze for the foreseeable. Is it a dry January? Is it? I don't know what it is when I am. I'm not drinking. Is it a stage where, like.

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I know when I'm sober, right. So if you know, you're aware that you're sober, that's that that there's, you know, when you're drinking. So it's not. I mean, it's, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think aware of periods of sobriety then drinking is probably a problem. So it's about acknowledging it or rather ignoring it. Like people go go down the pub and it's just a social drink and you're drinking and you having five pints, or you might do it five times a week, or you might do it every weekend, and you don't acknowledge the fact that it has a negative impact on you, on you.

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Then that's a bigger problem than drinking and then acknowledging it. But the people think that. I think there's a kind of stigma with acknowledging drinking and then someone going, oh, well, that's alcoholism. Whereas alcoholism could be someone who drinks ten points on the Saturday and Sunday as well. Right? But they ignore it. And it's just that lovable bloke down the pub.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. The underlying thing is it's it's still a drinking problem. So, so it's about taking ownership really. And like when they, it's easy to ignore. But when the doctor says this is your, these are your readings and these are not good for someone your age, then if you don't take notice of that, you're a fucking idiot.

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Yeah. After you've got to do something about it then. Yeah, yeah. So and I've been meaning to for a long, long time and I have had, I've had times when I, I don't, you know, for a month here and there and then what happens is I think to myself, I'll be nice to have a couple of wines on the sofa tonight.

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And then the next day you go, well, that was all right. Let's do it again. And then you might have a day off, and then you think, oh, I've got this under control. And then a month down the line, you've drunk 20 days out of 30. Yeah, that's the boy. I think it's, I think it happens with everyone.

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And not just alcohol. Whether it's you've got, I kind of. I'll just say addiction because it's easier, but like a shopping addiction or porn or smoking weed or whatever. Like you have those points where you recognize, you know what this is, this is getting a bit out of hand or it's a bit too much, or I just want a break from it.

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I just want to think about it. And then you make that decision to not do that thing for the weekend for a couple of weeks, and then it's like, you know what? I've had a good factory reset here. I feel right, I'm sleeping better. I'm doing this. I'm not worrying about spending all this money. I'm not doing, you know, all those things.

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And you're like, just just, just a wee drink or just a little spend up or, cash on the porn Pornhub or whatever it might be, and then you just back down that slippery slope, and it's hard to kind of keep, an even kid of it. Really? Yeah. And, you know, I've been looking into it and just thinking about reasons why people do do it, and I've done some work on it before and on myself and whatnot.

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So but it's never really it's been like a choice thing rather than a health thing about like, I know it's unhealthy, but I'm young, I can do, I want, I'm enjoying it, whereas I'm not young. But the reality is anymore a middle aged and you don't get away with these things got free anymore. Plus is a cost, right?

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If you're open, say you're buying. This isn't the case, right? But if you're buying two bottles of wine, even if you're sharing it with someone, right? Someone and people are listening to this, you're doing this right. But they're buying two bottles of wine a night, and so you're drinking them every night, and you time's up by 360 5A7.

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That's nearly eight grand a year on one. That is when you put it like that. That is fucking insane and crap. That's not a pay rise the people would die for.

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A pay rise. I hate crime, I don't think you're pointing the finger. It is a pay rise you don't even have to work for. You're gonna feel better for fucking now. Have you thought about getting a pricing to sell as a as a, happily married man? Probably not for me, but I'm pretty sure that's good advice for a lot of people.

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But as it started, I'm not sure how that would help me. Right. Okay. I just thought I'd, check it out there because, it normally does help quite a few things. It helps a lot of things. It helps a lot of things. The last pod we released on music had a lot of, lovely feedback for that one.

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So thank you for that. A lot of people enjoyed, walk down memory lane, and especially the part where we're talking about growing up and having music in the house and what our mums and dads played it. It struck a chord with people that either had that same thing or that I've lost parents and that don't have that connection anymore.

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And then thinking back to what their parents used to play and, you know, a happier time in their life. So a lot of people enjoyed the pod. Someone and I said that I think it was dare from the Transformers movie, the 80s cartoon movie soundtrack, that it was number three in my Spotify top singles I played throughout the year.

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And a couple of people saying it's a banger. Yeah, I know that. One person said they played that song when they got married. The Chase, they're there. Sorry. Yeah. For the yeah, yeah yeah yeah. I think it was more of, instrumental version that they played, not the actual proper version. So that big fucking man. Yeah, that'd be fucking mental.

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So if, if, if he'd like that as he into the Transformers as well. He must be. Must be. Absolutely. But, thank you very much for the positive, comments and feedback. And if you haven't listened to it, go back and listen to it. Now, would you guys please continue to do the five star rating on Spotify and keep going with that?

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Hugely appreciated. And and if you're an Apple head as well, whatever you're on, if you could do us a favor right. It's five star, send a little review in, we would be eternally grateful for it. Shall we jump into today's topic? Flav yeah, cool. What is it? Is auditors UK auditors. Now I'm going to read you a little, a little bit about them.

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And this is from the the government website. So this is from National Protective Security Authority. There was a small but increasing number of reports within the United Kingdom involving individuals who attend premises and outside spaces to capture staff and property on camera, the content from which is often uploaded to social media and video platforms. We refer to them as auditors in this guidance, as it's the term most most associated with them online.

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Other terms include social media auditors and citizen journalists. It's got so out of hand that they've created a like a presentation, a guidance for this, for government buildings and stuff like the fish and chips thing. And it goes along the word of call. Okay. So chat in a friendly manner. I got a second and recurring. I'm having a nightmare and stop, stop, stop.

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I've tried to blow it up. I've tried to level up Tik Tok to find some videos to play, which we should have done beforehand, by the way. So this this woman came up and she was talking about fish and chips and then and then I clicked off it and it went on my desktop. And you were talking.

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It was playing on the. What you just heard was a little Tik Tok. I just fucked up your link. Sorry.

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Well, why why we stop talking? We just started at that moment. Take a drink. Tea? Sorry. I thought you'd stopped recording in general. And then we were just going to jump back and think. Oh, no, wait, wait, wait, do I go back into which, I don't know, I was, I was thinking about the Tik Tok video. Right, right.

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So the National Protective Security Authority have guidance, which is they've labeled it as calm chat in a friendly manner, assess for hostile intent, limit interactions beyond what's necessary, and monitor the risk of escalation. So these auditors are descending on either private property, police stations, places where they shouldn't be to film content and get a, an interaction so that they can upload it to their channel.

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That guidance, you said, came from where? The government. Right. So, yeah. Go on. So someone is employed by the government. That's how they should audit something if they feel necessary. I think that's how you should meet the auditor. So you should just understand what they want. And don't be because a lot of people so little government guidance on these people already.

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Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. Because, I'm going to read you a list of what these people are targeting to give you a better and a better idea. So this guy, he, auditing Britain is his name. YouTube, TikTok. He mainly targets police stations. There's railways and train stations, government buildings, hospitals and emergency services, military sites, private security firms, drone spaces, public spaces and protests, road traffic stops and council offices and public services.

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So what these people are doing, they are going there and they are there. They are acting suspicious. No matter what you say or what they do, what are they doing, what they lingering around with cameras. And so they are lingering outside with cameras. You you'll see them go into like the parking lot and you'll see them like get the camera out.

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Some take like this auditing Britain, the one I was watching yesterday. He went to a police station. He was meeting about outside. The police officer came out and said, hi, can I help you? And he just stood there and said nothing, didn't say anything. It's like, can I help you? Can I help you? And he's like, what? Am I doing anything wrong?

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And he's like, well, I can see that you're filming. This is a police station while you filming. And then that's how it starts. And it's this. So he and Malik's cat and mouse game of I know my rights as a citizen. What I can film, what I can say, what I can do. And then it's the policemen that have no idea.

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They they, you know, they've got so many laws and regulations that they need to remember, then prominently remember everything. But these guys, they were specific ones about what he can do. So he's an expert in a small field. It's kind of like he's like, what a GP in this instance, like a consultancy knowing about fucking, you know, brain surgeon.

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It's a brain surgery. And the GP knowing about as much better than as possible. Yes. That's good. That's a good, good analogy. Yeah. Right. So yeah. So and these people like this older in Britain guy he is, he's a fucking asshole. Really. He's just you're not like you. You're not a fan. Nothing. He's just so abusive and aggressive and abrasive, and he's just acting like a knob.

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And so he's outside the police station and he's filming it, which for any by any ordinary, by any ordinary person's view is a bit weird and probably needs to be investigated if you're a police officer inside that building, especially because we live in a world where terrorism is prevalent. And yeah, and, you know, a man filming a police station, a police station could be a target for terrorism, probably does need to be investigated.

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But by law, he's not actually doing anything wrong on public property. You're allowed to film. So correct. So that's correct. And it so the policeman comes out and then obviously the policeman wants all the policewoman police personnel to find out what that what they're doing. But he's saying, well, I don't have to tell you anything. I'm not breaking any laws.

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I'm not doing anything. I'm just. I'm. I meant to say, am I under arrest? And they're like, no, and I am I doing this? And he he'll stop pushing them back. Can you tell me your name? No, I don't have to tell you my name because you're not I'm not under arrest. Then it goes back and forth, and he does things that he knows is going to trigger the police.

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So whilst he's filming outside, he's got a notepad and a pen. The police person will come out and say, you're filming while you're filming, and then they'll say, I can see you taking car registrations down. You're looking at our cars, you're taking registrations. He'll he'll hold the notepad out from his chest, so catches it on camera with his pen.

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He's drawing a pig. That's what he's doing. He's just drawing, but he's making it look like he's taking registration plates down. Or he's writing important information. Provocative, isn't he? Exactly. And he constantly does this and he own it. Seems like he only to I mean, I have seen him do, railway stations before, but it's all these places that are, you know, pretty high security that you you shouldn't really be doing that.

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Now, a lot of the comments that I've read about this guy, you've got 50 people saying, what are you doing? What you do me, your life like, this is what you've chosen to do to go out to police stations, to train stations, government buildings. And just people say that there's a waste of resources going into the police and doing stuff, and you're just taking up resource by hanging around police stations doing that.

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And he's not the only one. There's lots of them. And then on the flipside, people are like, it's funny, keep on doing it. If you want to troll level, troll level. And then other people are like, do you know what? I think you're doing a good job. I think you're highlighting, the transparency of the police and what you're doing and the accountability of what as well of who you think you should be doing.

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And it's just barely holding it. That's what he's doing. He's doing any of that. What what they say is it comes from people who hate police. And they they enjoy him winding him up. That's why he ain't doing anything good. No fucking wasting people's time. He's. He's filming a building and he's read up on these various laws that apply to what he's doing now in that he can't get arrested and he's being a wanker.

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That's what he's been. He was bullied at school. He never dealt with the trauma, and now he's turned into a cunt. That's what's happening. That's that's the camp that I'm in as well. But there are some other thoughts on this that within YouTube and TikTok and all these other social media platforms, one of the key topics for people and for content to get shared around is educational videos.

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This qualifies as educational because it shows you, because he will go through about the different types of buildings and parts of buildings and why they should be secure and where they're secure, as well as winding people up. So it's it's this educational part on what you should do if you get caught in this situation or what your rights as a citizen in the UK is.

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Would you agree to that? Would you say, yeah, that is educational or it's still he's just trolley. It's just found that a loophole that works. Yeah, yeah I think what do you think about. Well he is a, he's an absolute troll. Like massively. And if you watch any of his content, that's all he does. I call I have, yet to found something that is of value to a normal person in public.

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Him. If I'm, if I'm walking down a police station and a policeman stops me that I can say, actually, you're not allowed to say that to you. Like, you know, I mean, there is no there isn't anything good that comes from it apart from this, troll interaction, which is fucking mental. And it is just wasting resources and time of other people.

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But so many people enjoy. I don't know if I say enjoy. They hate people, hate the police and hate authority. That's what they enjoy. And they they enjoy the trolling aspect of it as well. The trolling is something that's existed since the internet begun and before that in pubs and stuff. It's, you know, taking a Mickey or getting a rise out of human beings.

00:30:11:10 – 00:30:38:08
It's, you know, it's among the most base things you can do. Yeah. Because it's so lacking in, in, you know, intellect and structure. Loads of people are into it. I'm into it. I quite like a little bit of trolling a bit. But we do it to each other on a weekly basis. Yeah. Well, you mean the WhatsApp messages where you send WhatsApp messages where you're constantly calling out my mum?

00:30:38:10 – 00:30:53:08
I mean, you you're writing for me. You didn't really do it. Yes I know, yeah. No, I wasn't going to respond. I should know that. And then. And then afterwards what you wrote, you wrote, you came back to it. And now and then you add me to make sure I'd say.

00:30:53:10 – 00:31:19:03
It was. It was four hours later, just for people they don't know. It was. Oh, mate, what was it? So funny. It was something about, one of our mates, the Dutch Pot that he was using. Sorry. So, Ricky, you you posted to say, John's. It was making gammon in this old fashioned pot, which is pretty gnarly, right.

00:31:19:05 – 00:31:43:09
And you went, like, looks like a lovely pot, too. I did our beef. And Gavin, you say, didn't stop talking about your fucking war. Meet the day. And then. And then John Bass went Rhys mum's Dutch pot. Right. Which sounds like a cross, but it's not. It's actually mum's Dutch pot. Yeah. And I said it's better than Ricky's mum's Dutch pot, which was funny, I thought nothing John.

00:31:43:11 – 00:32:08:09
It nothing. For hours later when I'm talking about a vagina. Ricky, told about your mum's vagina. I know I saw that, and I was like, do you know I'm not going to. I'm not going to go for a couple. Yeah, but a couple recently where I'm like, I know what he's done, and I'm just going to sit here and I'm going to internalize this and see, but I'm not going to I'm not going to show, I'm not going to say we've got kick, not going to get anything.

00:32:08:11 – 00:32:35:15
But what do you think there's anything that's also showing something. Right. Well, I mean you can't she can't win. We can't wait. Oh he's that you can't win. So I win. Only I win in this. So going back to this. So this guy, he goes to PlayStations. What's your view on. There is a new phenomenon where people kind of they purposely try to get caught by the police while they're driving.

00:32:35:17 – 00:32:55:08
I've seen most of it while driving and it's been in UK and America, so the cameras are already rolling while they before they get pulled over. We finished with all it in Britain. Just, So I just want to make one more comment about it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What what he's realized now, it doesn't matter what he's doing.

00:32:55:08 – 00:33:22:20
He's right or wrong. Right. In the same way we've audience and we've talked about this sort of thing a few times now, is that he's realized he has an audience and he's realized he can earn money at this. And so he will double down, and he knows he's not doing anything illegal. And there should that, he's actually tiptoeing into really sort of dodgy areas here because the government could use this as an excuse for nobody to be able to ever record a police station.

00:33:22:20 – 00:33:44:12
And they give police powers to arrest people outside. You don't want that either. You need freedom for people to be able to to record and be able to investigate, and that the police don't have absolute power. If anything, this shifts towards a world where police have absolute power. You want people to be able to charge the police. You want people to be able to record for their own safety.

00:33:44:14 – 00:34:22:00
But the more they do like this, the more the more, the more the government, if they were willing to do so, would give police powers to shut it down. You don't want a world where that is possible, and they would have to put safety measures in, like, do you know what I mean? Like if if people continue to do that, act like that film places where they're constantly on the line or just over the line just to kind of get a rise in content, then they will have to set more laws about filming police stations and what what would what would happen if they if they if they set these laws, they would they

00:34:22:00 – 00:34:40:15
would it would then be like a big commotion gun will move into a totalitarian state. Police are given more powers. This is what's becoming. This is what the government want. And actually, no, it's just some a few digital cameras at forcing police to make this action. And he would double down on it. No doubt. He's a is a vampire is a parasite.

00:34:40:16 – 00:34:59:02
And he's that's what and but but what he does have is an audience is big enough for him to live off. And that is much more motivating for him than anything else, really. It's like him. And if you did, you write down Charlie Vick in your. No, I haven't you know about him? No, he's not just films.

00:34:59:02 – 00:35:22:18
Vulnerable people like homeless people and people out on the streets and kids, little hoodlums in that on the streets. And if they get too close to him, he kicks them in the chest. Oh, my God, how have you not seen it? He's just a no again. Another guy, another bloke. He's found a way of pretending to be some sort of social justice warrior, actually just exploiting vulnerable people for his own financial gain.

00:35:22:20 – 00:35:45:01
That is insane. Never actually see him. He's always behind the camera. And he's always. He always eclipse up flash points and people clip up bits of his videos where the altercation turns to violence. And generally he's talking to drug addicts who are pissed out of their face or or strung out, and they're walking towards him and he says, don't get too close, don't get too close.

00:35:45:01 – 00:36:02:03
And if he's got it on camera, he's almost like he's almost instigating and building this thing up by using these words. And then they become physical because they're so wound up by the situation. Then he attacks them in self-defense, and this is caught on camera. So there's nothing you can do. And a couple of times he's done it with the wrong kids.

00:36:02:07 – 00:36:21:03
Come on top. He's has a run and riots and all that's been caught as well. But some people love him because they don't like this. They don't like, you know, young kids in hoodies and they don't like, you know, street dwellers and and they think they're the scourge of the earth, and they like this guy taking the piss out of them and getting a rise out of them.

00:36:21:03 – 00:36:43:12
But he's he's monetizing the misery of these people, pretty much. That is that's absolutely vile. That's worse than Audit in Britain. Yeah, it is, it is because he's not he does talk to the police and like but he's generally does it send the police on his side. He knows that what he's doing is a little bit more edgy and a little bit more risky in terms of the law.

00:36:43:14 – 00:37:11:06
But mace might just talk. I mean, I would advise you not to look him up, but he's all over TikTok and social media. The, the our guy will start fucking feeding me all these videos. Yeah. The, the videos I was talking about, like, I don't know if you see him where they purposely bite police, where they're already filming in their car, and, the police will pull up, they'll be driving slower than usual, and then the police will be like, what?

00:37:11:07 – 00:37:33:19
Why is that person. Oh, you know, they'll potentially swerve a little bit or whatever it might be. And they know their rights. Exactly. A sovereign citizens in it, mainly in the US in it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, a lot, a lot of it I've seen in the US. And as these people came to be like that, the natural laws usurps federal law and all that, and then they kind of protest in the.

00:37:33:19 – 00:38:07:05
Yeah. So, you know, it's just it's like I just find it wild. Like, I mean, again, a lot of people, it's they find the like testing public officials to see what their knowledge is like. What are they abusing power, which is, you know, it's been in the the news with the police or on abusing power. Things caught on, CCTV murders, all of that.

00:38:07:07 – 00:38:12:11
But it's, we going to I.

00:38:12:13 – 00:38:46:01
In our world now where we're just filming, like, can you imagine, like people filming you doing your job and just commentating on everything and trying to get under your skin purposely to try and rally you up or to trip you up to prove what you're doing is incorrect. It's I just I don't get it. It's it's mad. But it's also what with the advent of social media and particularly YouTube, what's what.

00:38:46:03 – 00:39:05:14
It's everywhere like that. It's much more, much less insidious. But people you've got people have made careers and all they do is talk about other people's content. Their content is them talking about other people's content. And they're loved for it. They're like idolized for it. And I get it. If you're funny, I get it. But there's also yeah, you know, there's these there's this bloke and he's made it.

00:39:05:14 – 00:39:30:06
It's this is, you know, kind of nicer to talk about because it's actually just a bloke who is a black guy who's typically was typically interested in, you know, R&B and hip hop and stuff from his culture and his career is his YouTube career is essentially been made of people suggesting music from other genres, specifically started with like indie, then rock.

00:39:30:08 – 00:39:51:12
And he loves it, right? He loves finding these news bits. And it's interesting. It's, I think, the kind of fads past now, but it was a really interesting moment where YouTube and social media was able to get to see people that would never listen to UK garage, or you never listened to, indie music, the Arctic Monkeys, and then you see them.

00:39:51:12 – 00:40:08:10
So it might be some kid in America was definitely it was who is in his car. I remember his name now, and he'd be listened to hip hop in the US, and then people would given him tracks to listen from the UK hip hop scene, and he'd be. Or it might be drill music and he it'd be like buzzing about it.

00:40:08:13 – 00:40:35:17
And there's something like really interesting about sharing your culture with another. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in that instance that's really sort of wholesome stuff. There is a sort of wholesome part of it. But, these guys are lesser than share sharing loopholes in police places and stuff like that. Now there's some other dudes as well that are equally as offensive as these guys.

00:40:35:17 – 00:41:02:23
So there's a guy that flies, don't be saying that. He flies drones and he flies into space. He'll fly a drone into spaces where he knows he's not allowed to fly it, but he's like, literally on the line, the zone, the the, you know, there's a bit that's geo locked where a drone can't fly, but he'll just fly it right next to it, and he's just skirting around it all the time until someone comes out and says, what are you doing?

00:41:03:00 – 00:41:28:11
Why are you flying this here? What are you capturing video for? And then he's equally as well. I have a drone pilot license. I know my right, I know this, I know that, yeah. And then we think, And then obviously then he uploads the content, people watch it, but it's like, to what end? Like you're saying, you've you've captured an audience and you're monetizing it and you realize just getting traction and stuff like that.

00:41:28:11 – 00:41:50:08
But again, that like the, the risks in and doing that where he's flying into spaces where he probably shouldn't be and capturing other and wall around the perimeter. But if he just dips in a little bit and they've got him, the other thing is where he's how long can this content last? How long is it interesting? Like, I get the challenge in the police because people will always hate police, right?

00:41:50:09 – 00:42:15:06
They always will like they will always have authority, but eventually the content becomes the same conversation over and over again. And actually, that probably is training for the police to be better at this interaction, better with it, like being friendly and jovial, for example, just not rising, not challenging, just get out and mate. Because I've seen a couple of those where there's one where a police deal really well with him just because.

00:42:15:06 – 00:42:35:13
Yeah, nice man. They're mad that you can't do this. Tell you this is. He was yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Oh I saw I did see with order in Britain as well that there's a female police officer and she was kind of like, laughing and giggling along and shrugging their shoulders and just be like. But I do have to ask you these things.

00:42:35:13 – 00:42:56:07
You may know this, but yeah, I'm going to tell you this. You already know it, but we're just going to walk through this anyway. Yeah. And it really kind of defeats the situation. And he put it up just I think to show that people can, communicate in this way. But she could have been out on the streets walking the beat or whatever it is that policemen do.

00:42:56:07 – 00:43:25:20
Now, please get it. Yeah, exactly. I'm telling your stupid ass the, the last one that I'm going to bring up. Now, this one again, is a bit of a divisive character, divisive, obviously universally hated. Any who. Do you know who I'm going to say? It's gonna be cycling mushy. Exactly. Like. Yeah. But a lot of people, we've actually had a couple of emails in.

00:43:25:20 – 00:43:54:16
Yeah, to say I'm on cycling Mickey sideways. Look, I know you look, I wanted to aim. Avers was a started off. By the way, I'm not a grass. Did you hear me? If you got those emails uploaded, we just go straight into this. Now. I would just go straight into it. Go straight into it, because, I.

00:43:54:18 – 00:44:16:09
The people are breaking the law. You should be having your phones out while you're part and while your car is still going, but I the thing I don't like about it is. Yeah. Teach them a lesson, show them, make an example and say, look, my, my camera. Throw it in. I can see what you're doing. It's against the law.

00:44:16:11 – 00:44:34:20
Let it be that. But then he goes over us to, you know, reverse his bike up to make sure they can see that he's got the rich, registration plate. The car poked his head in, so he's got them on film, and then he's antagonizing them, saying, I'm going to send this to the local police station and you're just going to get arrested.

00:44:34:20 – 00:45:01:18
You're going to get a fine or whatever, and you just think, what the fuck, honestly, is that I don't know, is that, citizen journalist type taking law unto themselves? Yeah, I know it's the law, but do you have to be so. Well, you know that he's parents. His father was killed by a drunk driver when he was 19.

00:45:01:20 – 00:45:25:12
So I didn't know. Get an agenda. Yeah, that's what happened. So that's where it comes from for sure. Okay. This. Your dad had died by a drunk driver. You pretty, pretty miffed with people that don't pay attention to the roads, right? For sure. Yeah, but sitting in still traffic and touching your phone is not the same as a drunk driver.

00:45:25:14 – 00:45:52:08
You know, crashing into, your father while he's riding a motorbike. No. That said, should you be fucking about with your phone while driving in any way? Probably not. Does everyone do it if they can get away with it? Yeah, they do, I I've got a say while I find him intensely irritating. And there's a couple of times I've wanted to see him, you know, someone just sort of push him over folded up.

00:45:52:11 – 00:46:21:10
Yeah, yeah, because he is just a fucking biscuit in with it. It's just an arrogance to it. And he just. Yeah. Yeah. He loves drivers doesn't you just fucking eat some. Right. And we're all drivers and he's on a fucking bike as well, which is even worse. Everyone hates fucking cyclists. Come round, they're in Devizes where everything is calm and cool, and except on a Sunday when the cyclists go out there, it's mayhem and everyone's fucking like, okay, well I'll be.

00:46:21:10 – 00:46:44:15
I was stuck behind the band over about 28 cyclists in the country lane. There was no chance I was getting past them. Least of all. They're all packed up in a bunch. It's almost like they think about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think this is all road and we'll go slow as we want to. That's all right. And I have sat there thinking behind and, you know, you intrusive thoughts come.

00:46:44:15 – 00:47:09:06
What would happen if I just, But you never did. Oh, yeah. My my intrusive thought would be what would happen if I just beat the horn, scared them with the fear of them fall off? It's more than that for me. Yeah, more than that. Okay, so. So the fact that he's on a in fact, he's on a bicycle is, is, I'm just remember, Jesse's listen to this also goes out on a bike, but you just.

00:47:09:06 – 00:47:38:20
Jesse, you don't you're not a part of a big pack that stops me from getting past. That's. That's all I would say. If you're just on your own, I'll give you plenty of spaces over here. Right, so I apologize. The the one of the bits of, cycling Mickey and. Yeah. Okay, we've done the fine bit, but I've seen him be in the the lane, the opposite lane of the road where a car is driving up.

00:47:38:22 – 00:47:55:14
They're not supposed to drive up that way, but they're doing it because as you show up near Regent's Park and it's Gandalf's corner. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That that that does it. That does a ring a bell actually. Do you know you that man. That's weird. It's kind of well known. Like if you drive around London, you haven't driven around Regent's Park.

00:47:55:14 – 00:48:14:04
Much of, you know, why would drive from Regent's Park? Well, I know you wouldn't have to. I'm just saying that you would when I came back from what is is important. But when I used to drive back from here, the route back would always take me past Regent's Park. Always. Okay. So you're aware of that corner Street Chaga?

00:48:14:06 – 00:48:16:18

00:48:17:19 – 00:48:39:23
But, yeah, it's none of your business. Even though, like, driving the wrong way. I don't even know if it is against the law. It's it's probably frowned upon. And they don't want you to do that because of traffic incidences. But like, he stood there on his bike saying, no, I'm not moving. You need to go back. You need to follow the road side.

00:48:39:24 – 00:48:59:02
You need to go down there. Don't know now what you've said. Yeah, I get it, I get it. But that and if you could pop out and he could turn right, the car could turn right. There could be a cyclist, there could be a pedestrian walk in a buggy or whatever. The car goes into them and it's fucking fate or whatever it might be, but he's.

00:48:59:03 – 00:49:14:04
It tells him to police that. Is it down to him to stand in the middle of the road? He probably shouldn't have that kind of job of it. Oh, no, you have to have the resources. The reason why they don't, it's because all in Britain cycle all their time. They could be on the streets getting people using their phones.

00:49:14:06 – 00:49:34:05
I'll tell you what, cycle, Mark. You know what? In Britain needs to have a fight because one of them is doing the work of policemen. Do you think they. Yeah, I can they they love him. I would imagine the police that absolutely love it. Oh yeah. Yeah, I love money. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I wonder if there is like, I wonder if cycling Mickey does get.

00:49:34:07 – 00:50:00:04
Do you think he gets notified for the ones that he's, he's got, that he's got a list, a spreadsheet put out spreaders of, of how much money he's, he's earned for the old bill. Well, I'm sure he's aware of it, I also. That's mad. Well, he he, he gives the the coverage, the footage to the police.

00:50:00:06 – 00:50:23:01
The police then take the footage and then go, go, go through the processes of charging the people. The all of the all of this is done without the driver needing to be there. So someone who's got done for speeding recently, I never saw a policeman in the entire time of this process. I was just said letter of the letter.

00:50:23:03 – 00:50:36:16
So for them, it's kind of like he's just making them tons of money at some point and making is that they don't have to investigate this. They have to. Yeah. He's giving it to them. They go through a due process of charging the people what it would be. You know it. I don't know what it is now.

00:50:36:16 – 00:50:57:14
So what handling a phone. Is it six point I use my hand or I'll check what we're talking about. Six point seems a lot. They fucking at 500 in fact. Jesus Christ, I've never I don't really handle my phone. Does it counter. It's six points. It's six on a crater on a dashboard. And you're like pressing the buttons to.

00:50:57:18 – 00:51:16:24
You can't touch it. You can't touch it. No, you can't touch your phone. Jesus Christ, I didn't I know this is this is the this is the advice is it's illegal to hold and use a phone, satnav, tablet or any device that can send the received data while driving or riding a motorcycle or car.

00:51:17:01 – 00:51:33:09
This means that you must use the device in your hand for any reason, whether online or offline. For example, you must not text, make calls, take photos, videos, or browse the web. The law still applies if you're stopped at traffic lights during traffic, supervising a learner driver, driving a car that turns off when the engine has stopped moving.

00:51:33:13 – 00:51:55:21
Holding you using the vice that's offline or in fright mode. That's it. Using a device handsfree, you can use devices with your hands free, as long as you do not hold them at any time. During this usage, handsfree devices means a Bluetooth headset, a voice command, dash board holder, or mat. So you can do that. A windscreen mount and a built in satnav.

00:51:55:23 – 00:52:17:15
That is just not just just don't touch your phone. Just don't touch your phone like they have your phone. So most, most cars, if you have a newer car, if you're lucky enough to have a new car, it your phone essentially appears on the on the screen now. So it's like having your phone on. Anyway, I've, I mean there's been times that I've driven I wanted to find the new address and that is distracting.

00:52:17:15 – 00:52:40:12
But what happens is, is if you touch the screen more than a few times, it locks the screen. Sorry, I didn't know. Yeah, yeah. So it's you better off stopping somewhere to do it. Really? That's a fucking ass like that is an all like. So at the end of this, discussion is, basically sidekick Mickey owed it in Britain.

00:52:40:12 – 00:53:08:20
The drone guy, the user. Stop wasting police time and resource because the dogs are out running riot, and they could be put to good use to catching them. All right, so just stop doing that. That's that's my thought. What I they like cycle monkey. I think they like these. All right. No. Not me. I can understand why he's just a cease tone, but I think police like him.

00:53:08:22 – 00:53:31:11
Do you think they would treat him fairer than you, or do you think they would give him, let him get away with the law, you know, I mean, if someone stopped him and then said, you've broken the law here. I know who you are. I'll let you off because you you're one of us. Kind of. Or do you think that make an example of him?

00:53:31:11 – 00:53:34:06
I'd like to think that.

00:53:34:08 – 00:53:46:06
I just, you know, just get his bike and frighten the bushes. I mean, he he got Guy Ritchie. Do you know Guy Ritchie, the film director? He got him back for six months.

00:53:46:08 – 00:54:20:05
No way. Really? He's on his phone. He's on his phone. That is. That's fucking hilarious. But fucking mental as well. And he got he's got Chris Eubank and he got Frank Lampard. I'm surprised. It is strange. How is how passive most people are. Yeah. Because in your head you'd think I'd take the camera off him or smash the camera or batter him, but 99.9% people don't won't do it.

00:54:20:09 – 00:54:37:17
He's going to come across someone who. And I'm not sure if this has ever happened. Who will switch? He's a lunatic and never do you think people will just think he's he's just frightening. He won't. I think that by now they know that he's definitely going to do it. There was one piece of footage of a guy crying saying, I'm going to lose my license.

00:54:37:19 – 00:54:56:11
I'm going to lose my job. Please do not give this to the police. Please don't do this. I am going to lose everything. And he said, I think about it though he did let it go. Yeah, cos it is not my problem because no one thought about that when my father was killed. All right. Good. Yeah. Okay, I think, I think we'll leave that one there.

00:54:56:13 – 00:55:22:21
That's good. Well done, psycho Mickey. Right. The we're going to go into dilemmas and something only you know, the dilemma is called is there another way and something only you know is you're taking the piss. The topic for next week is going to be new Year resolutions. New year, new me. What are yours? What you focusing on in 2025?

00:55:22:23 – 00:55:47:07
What is your start? Stop and carry on for the year. Are there any strategies that you know of to help you focus on your goals? Let's just help each other out and have a chat about what we have planned for 2025. If you've got any stories, if you've got any questions, dilemmas, anything, you know that out by now, lads.

00:55:47:07 – 00:56:18:13
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00:56:18:13 – 00:56:46:17
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00:56:46:21 – 00:56:55:12
So we're going to jump into dilemmas now.

00:56:55:14 – 00:57:22:08
Oh, just, just tired. And you got an issue for a tissue. You're a big fat cat. Will taste you. Are you aching in your soul alone in your flat? Please talk to Vicky Flanagan. Let that stress off your chest. Well, friends, you deserve to play it like you're safe here to get nice warm between Vicky and then.

00:57:22:10 – 00:57:24:19

00:57:24:21 – 00:57:43:05
Is there another way, boys, I've got a small dilemma that I need to get sorted, but it sends me into a bit of a panic. When I think about it. It always crops up in conversations. Now it's got to happen and happen soon. When I was with my ex, the conversation used to come up about me having the snip.

00:57:43:07 – 00:58:05:17
Most of the time it was brought up by the ex mother in law. Let's call a thrush in brackets it says irritating. Come. What the fuck is it? Got to evaluate. I would just laugh it off and say things like, two young doctors won't do it until I'm 30. What? What if I split up and a young bird wants my seed because she hasn't had any kids?

00:58:05:19 – 00:58:32:18
Well, that happens. It's okay though. So no worries. I can do one more. Keep that I'm older, wiser, I'm more patient. I'm pretty much a pro now. However, now she's here, starting all over again. It's fucking hard. The shitty nappies, feeding, crying, baby proofing. I know I said shitty nappies, but my babies and curry or roast don't mix.

00:58:32:20 – 00:58:56:01
The army can use those just as a torture tactic. After the little one was born it was all good. She settled for one. She said she didn't want to go back through the pain of birth again. Happy days, I thought. Nope. A year later she forgot the pain and the baby combo started. I've always wanted to, she said.

00:58:56:03 – 00:59:23:02
As a pleasing husband, he'll do anything for her and the fact I get to have lots of sex, I agreed, but 100% this is the last one. I'm 36 this month and I have my fifth baby due in January. I've got three with my ex and two with my new wife, and I know I need to have the snip, but everyone you talk to who's had it done acts like Bailey big Ballocks.

00:59:23:04 – 00:59:41:02
Let's be honest, no man in their right mind is ever going to say, I fancy having this nip for fun. What if something goes wrong and I end up with bass hopper sized balls? How do I get over this fear? I know I need to do it, but I really don't fancy having my ball back cut open and fucked about with.

00:59:41:04 – 01:00:09:18
Is there another way? What should I do? There's tons of other ways you can if not like contraception. The coil? Yeah, like contraceptive pills. Yeah. Why is him having his. What? I don't even know what the. What is it? They cut this to semen tube. Yeah, because what's the technical term for that tube? Yeah. I don't know.

01:00:09:20 – 01:00:39:19
Yeah. So it's, I don't actually know what the procedure is. Injection into some contraceptive injection. There's tons of things the lady can do. I know there's it's not always on the ladies to do it, but to to. I see it like if it was my wife and she said, I've got to have an operation so she can't have any more kids or I could take it, I could do it injection every three months to stop the be infertile.

01:00:39:21 – 01:00:46:09
I'd rather, unless there was. If I had massive side effects, then you'd revisit it. But I'd do that.

01:00:46:11 – 01:01:05:19
Yeah. Yeah, obviously. Is it there? I know they're working on a contraceptive pill for men, but I don't. I don't know if it's just a lad Bible thing. You know, every year they'll come out, especially this time of year as well. Yeah. There's a hangover pill. There is definitely, definitely a hangover pill that works all the time.

01:01:05:24 – 01:01:28:17
Is there a is there? There isn't. No fucking line. But I, I mean up to I think I've told this story in the book before that I went to have, vasectomy bang up for it and I went to my GP, said, I'm for a, I've had my kids, been my partner long, long term ready for it.

01:01:28:17 – 01:01:49:03
He said, yeah, that's absolutely fine. No problem. Put me in. Got a phone call, had the medical over the phone, everything was fine. And then the following month, someone would ring me on the day and say what you need to bring in and stuff like that. I was like, yeah, that's fine. The rang me on the day and they said, oh, sorry, direct me.

01:01:49:05 – 01:02:11:11
24 hours before him said, you're doing tomorrow. Do you have all this stuff? I just said, I don't want it anymore. And they said, well, I just said, I'm scared. And then they took me through of all the possibilities of what could happen. And the scale of it literally won't happen here. And I just said, can I cancel my appointment and place and hang up?

01:02:11:13 – 01:02:41:20
I didn't get it done. I panicked. Can you get Paula Jones for wasted NHS money as well? Well you're right. Well at the time I thought I would be going through with it and I thought it would be fine and I wouldn't, I wouldn't be so, paralyzed by fear. But when you read up about these things, like this person is saying about the I was reading paper that it could be toxic, he was pushing for a procedure.

01:02:41:21 – 01:03:04:18
Then you went, right, I'm gonna go on the internet and read about everything that's gone wrong with people. Is that what you did? Really well? No. They send you a link after after it's done. And they just say just to make sure that this is a possibility. It won't happen, but it is a possibility. And then I was reading through these cases of men that were, jacking and having excruciating pain whilst they each act.

01:03:04:18 – 01:03:24:22
So it's a bit of, That's okay. Thank you. Jack, you've probably noticed, actually, I know it's not. It's giving me not just you should also still apologize for wasting NHS money given the state the state is in. I won't do that. You have to. No, I can't go private. Next time I will stay away. All do.

01:03:24:24 – 01:03:46:05
I when I went for my, I saw the surgeon for my hernia operation, which isn't something I can bottle out of. I have to have it done. Yeah. They also give me a number of leaflets saying these are the risks. These are the things that go go wrong. You have a 2 in 100 chance of it reoccurring.

01:03:46:05 – 01:04:04:15
You have a 1 in 100 chance of blood clots. You have. And I'm like, oh God, I don't want to know that I don't. Why are you telling me this? Don't allow me to make a decision. Tell me what's best and let's just fucking get on with it. It's like, why don't you give everybody autonomy? What did you give everybody the choice?

01:04:04:20 – 01:04:24:11
I can't leave this. This can't be left. So just don't tell me the stuff that can go wrong. What? What good. What will you do? I'm sitting here now. I'm not. I'm not actually, I don't, you know, I appreciate there are risks with every procedure. I just don't need to know every single one of them. But someone who is anxious about this, like you might be rich.

01:04:24:13 – 01:04:47:15
Yeah. Don't give me reasons to be anxious. Just get on with it and do it. If something happens, we'll deal with it. Yeah, but they I think they have to tell you they have to, but they should. Because stupid. Because you get sued, the NHS get sued. Yeah, I understand that because there's people out there that would sue them for doing things wrong, despite saying because they weren't told of the risks.

01:04:47:17 – 01:05:06:14
It doesn't matter what the risks are. I can't let this get worse because it's going to descend into my ballocks and I'll have to live with a giant ballocks for the rest of my life, right? Then. It's that if would that be the worst luck, the worst case, and that it descends into your bollock? But can anything else happened after I've seen them die?

01:05:06:16 – 01:05:21:12
Right? Okay, so you do need to get that done. I thought if you could live off the joke about it. Yeah, that would be. That'd be quite a pipe. You know it. You get progressively gets worse. It's not something. Something needed mending. At the same time, the surgeon said to me that you have a choice. You've got to get this done, though.

01:05:21:12 – 01:05:34:24
And I was like, yeah, I know. So here's all the things that can go wrong. Well, I don't want to read that. Do you read it? Don't read it. It's up to you. But I have to give it to you. Be so some, so at some. So you don't sue me. If what could go wrong to everybody should go wrong.

01:05:35:01 – 01:05:58:02
Do you know what this all comes back to is just people being fucking dickheads. So spreading anxiety across everybody because some dickhead back in the line sued someone because I heard he went wrong. I'm not saying that the NHS should be without question, without review, and should be. They should hold the NHS up to the highest standards. Absolutely.

01:05:58:02 – 01:06:22:05
You're dealing with people's lives and I know it doesn't happen in some cases, but if if they're telling me 1 in 100 of these procedures go wrong and it comes back and then it comes back, and then because they haven't told me that before, I sue them. You all to come in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I get that.

01:06:22:11 – 01:06:45:04
I totally get that. I mean, it's and it's more like unless it's like something may just happen. Not suing the NHS is fucking wild, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely. Sometimes horrendously bad things have gone on. Babies have died, but they shouldn't. Of diamonds and stuff like that. All of that super serious. But yeah, don't sue the NHS because you only came back six months later.

01:06:45:06 – 01:07:05:04
Yeah. But then they set me up and if that happened pretty. So, so this the Covid dilemma I will, but personally you'll be fine. Anyway, if you get the vasectomy, you will. You will be fine. I know I've just said about. How about it? I wish I had gone through with it, you know. Yeah, yeah, I do wish I hadn't done it on.

01:07:05:04 – 01:07:36:01
The thing is, because of, the way that the conception at the moment, Johnny's. And this is what I've done throughout my life, I don't, you know, it's not really going to change my life. But if you are active and if you're using Jonathan. Yeah, yeah. Well, you eat and pull out. This year here. You fucking. You're a wild man.

01:07:36:01 – 01:07:47:23
You are now, she's playing with fire. She's got a coil. She's got a cool, Okay. Yeah. No, I no, that's good, that's good though I want pretty much.

01:07:48:00 – 01:08:03:19
What you could. I mean that's a, that's a road. You could go down the other side. There's something cool. But. Yeah. Discuss it. Discuss it with me. Mrs.. Not in the fact of you should do this. I want you to go on the pill, but just say I'm nervous. Is there any other way around? This is just a conversation.

01:08:03:21 – 01:08:27:11
I don't want to do this and say, you know what I've had, I've had my fun. I've got the five kids. Let's just have a little snip. Say, you'll be fine, lad. You'll be absolutely fine. Little snip. Diesel. Right now. Something only you know. Why? Something, You know.

01:08:27:13 – 01:08:52:00
You're taking the piss. Ten years ago, I met the most beautiful women. I couldn't believe my luck. The only downside is that I knew she had a bit of a reputation as her first marriage ended because she couldn't keep her knickers up. But I was besotted and things were amazing. And we were married within three years. That's when things took a turn for the worse.

01:08:52:02 – 01:09:21:13
We'd only been married for a few months when my wife started behaving differently. You know, sex dried up, spending less time at home and just acting very sheepishly. After two months of this, I confronted her and asked her outright if she was chasing a sheep as she had previously, to which she responded, no, I would never do that to you, and blamed mental health issues for her behavior.

01:09:21:15 – 01:09:41:20
For a few weeks, things went back to normal and she was making more of an effort. Started having sex again. She was spending more time at home. I was trying to help her with depression, which she told me she was suffering from. Then things went back to how they were and I was convinced she was fucking someone else.

01:09:41:22 – 01:10:11:11
So I did some detective work and lo and behold, I was correct. She was having it off with the work colleague. I'm not someone who would ever forgive a cheat. So I decided I was ending things, but I needed to find a place for myself first, so I didn't confront her about the cheating. Instead, I started looking for a place, making sure I didn't let on, that I knew a slot, keeping things as normal as possible not to arouse suspicion.

01:10:11:13 – 01:10:39:15
It was six weeks until I found the place and moved out. So as I said, I kept things as normal as I could to not let my wife know anything was happening. One of the usual routine for our whole relationship was me making a morning coffee for my wife. But for the next six weeks, while I was making her the coffee, I was only filling the cup about three quarters, and then I topped the rest up with my piss.

01:10:39:17 – 01:10:59:15
Then I'll take it up to her, sit and chat to her while I watched her drink my pay. Did it stop the pain of cheating off her? Cheating on me? No, of course not. But having a little revenge did make me feel a little bit better. And I've never told her and I've never told her when I left, how much I was tempted to.

01:10:59:17 – 01:11:07:12
And that is something only I know. Yeah, generally. Definitely keep that to yourself.

01:11:07:14 – 01:11:32:16
I think that might even be illegal. I, yeah, it's it's, you know, I get I get people want revenge and I would want revenge. It's about revenge. Bit of revenge, guy, but I don't know if I could do that as in either. Yeah, I would have to, I would have to lay. I just have to leave.

01:11:32:16 – 01:11:39:04
I wouldn't be able to be in the same house, I think. But the the, the,

01:11:39:06 – 01:12:02:21
That is like, you know, you know, and they love what is it what happens, what is going on where a person can't stop cheating? Is it a tie timeline with this? Probably some sort of stuff that we would never do. Yeah, yeah. I don't think it's anything to do with, like, being highly sexual either, because you would just have sex with your partner.

01:12:02:21 – 01:12:30:22
I wouldn't. Yeah, all the time. If I think maybe Chase is the new attention. Yeah. Validation and all that shit. Have you seen these wild social dates of where people have cheated and, like, they create some kind of, I don't know, a party or something like that. And then they get that the person who's cheated, to go through all the attention is on them.

01:12:30:24 – 01:12:48:15
And then there's a video screen playing behind them, and then it shows the video of them actually cheating and stuff like that. And it's like the whole family and everyone can see, they've been caught cheating and you've gone through all of that. Yeah. To get them to get revenge. I think that, like, I said that revenge.

01:12:48:15 – 01:13:05:22
Okay, fine. But that is fucking next level, wasn't it? There was. There was one where the bloke was getting married to this woman, and she, he found out that he was having a, she was having an affair with like six of his mates, like she was just. Oh yeah. Oh, she's just bouncing around the decks of all his mates, right.

01:13:05:22 – 01:13:21:23
Yeah. And then he knew about it and he went ahead with the wedding. And on the wedding day, he put red dots on the bottom of the plates of the men that she'd been checking, and she asked his wife to stand up as, as if he was about to toaster. And he said, I just like to just play a game with everybody.

01:13:21:23 – 01:13:39:17
Can everyone turn their plates over? And if he found a red dot, I'd like you to stand up and have all of the C6 gentleman stood up, but she went, my wife is shagging every single one of these men. And then he walks out the wedding. Oh my God. But like, I mean, that is that is fucking good.

01:13:39:17 – 01:13:57:14
That doesn't have a film in it. So. Yeah. Is that what that but expensive thing to do. But then again you can't really cancel it once a weddings but it's anyway. So yeah I can't as well I might as well that is that is a fucking tasty way to do it. But then he's got a gun down the aisle and said I do.

01:13:57:16 – 01:14:20:02
He's gonna like, he'll have to get a divorce. Wouldn't it just be easier to be like than go ahead with the wedding? You know, I mean, yeah, yeah, it would be easier, but he just wants her to see what she wants everyone to know that she's just, like, basically. Right? Yeah. That's more important to him. Yeah, yeah, I say I get it.

01:14:20:04 – 01:14:42:09
I mean, it is a kind of like warning. It's like a red flag that do not marry this woman. This is what she's going to do. So, you know, she'd have to leave town, that there's this. I won't say too many details, but what can I say? This. Yeah, I think he can. I think he can. It's at the very end of the pot.

01:14:42:09 – 01:15:12:00
Say, you know, the beam. Yeah. That was lesbian. That was. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Just says there's there's someone I know. Okay. He's, who got married shortly after I got married. Okay. To a woman. Yeah. And within a year, she'd been caught shagging some bloke at her gym, and she would go and move to Australia. Oh my God.

01:15:12:06 – 01:15:28:09
Yeah. And now she's back. No, I see her around town. Oh. No. You're awkward. Oh, my God, everybody dies. Oh, she.

01:15:28:11 – 01:15:49:05
Fuck, fuck. That is that is, Oh my God, I've got more details, but I don't give any specifics. I know we're getting late. We're gonna finish the pot so I can carry on with the conversation. So the topic for next week is New Year's resolutions. New year, new me. What are your plans for 2025? What are you focusing on?

01:15:49:05 – 01:16:04:02
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