#54 | Music | The soundtrack to Ricky and Flav’s lives…

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Ricky, have you seen the, the new banger that's out there on YouTube? I have actually, really? What is it? I don't know how you pronounce the artist name. I know the way. School songs. Good. Cheat. Chichi. Chichi. Chichi. Chichi? Nah. Maybe Chichi enough is, just a China. Just a China. China. It doesn't matter. And the name?

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Peggy. That's a song. That's a song. And literally, my daughters were telling me about a song last week, and they're saying, dad, if you heard about this song. And I was like, no, they said, it's called Peggy. You don't love it. My daughter's 11 and 13, all right. And they were telling me about this song and how it's disgusting what the person say.

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And I know that. And I was just like, yeah, I'll get round to looking at it. I'll get around to it. I hadn't seen it and then I, I saw it. Yeah. I mean I've seen it about 17 times.

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I can't, I don't know what. So in like what is so because I don't know what it is. It is it's hard. So I'll take you I take loads of people that don't know. I'm going to play you a minute of the song and then we'll carry on this conversation, okay? Okay.

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I told you quit and you tried to get rid of me.

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Pegging that man at the back of the bus playing that three six Mafia. I'm going to fill out this noise of dust. These niggas always talk and tell them niggas I'm gonna fuck I got an Asian. You from West trynna pick me up in a lumberjack I told that man that I love show man because I wanted cheese.

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And I'm putting these niggas in that. If I get this I'm gonna repeat it. Just got a triangle strip last week and I'm out and I cannot do this. I left and going right, he ain't going to fuck me in some period. I'm in the back of the county party and he's walking the Pope in the park. I got him back to the spot, my spots in the back of the family talking trash these men when I act like a beast.

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So I put these men in the cage. I made a cool down, dude. I say oh my niggas a button all over his face. Shorty. Right there go. Lovely. Yeah. So look, too many people have watch that in two weeks. I don't get it. I'm trying to find a way to articulate why people are doing that, why so many people are doing it.

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It's shocking. Right? It's shocking. I'm not like sitting here going, oh my God, this is terrible. It's not that. It's just not common in for a female in the UK to be as provocative, but it's beyond provoked. Yeah, yeah. It's almost like this is weird. What somebody weird about this is something about it that is just off center.

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And it's. And when I'm when I say off center, I'm off. Like a lot of, you know, tons of hip hop and, has, you know, debatable. You know, a lot of it is not a lot of it. Some of it, like DMX, for example, raps about some horrendous things, as did Eminem, as did biggie write some stuff that is not acceptable, like I'm talking about sex with minors, rape, murder, all of that stuff.

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And it's kind of it was seen as art and it is art, whereas this is like this girl from London who sounds pretty well-educated in terms of the way she speaks. It's almost like she's come from she hasn't come from the ghetto, you know what I mean? So just come from a rough background. You can hear it in her voice, the way she enunciate that she's come from a place of insecurity, I think.

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And wealth. Yeah. And obviously she chosen to do so. She knows what she's doing. I think that's that's the this. So this is what I, we were having a discussion in my house about. It's kind of like what what are we doing now. Like what how is the world playing out? So in order to get discovered, social media is a free tool.

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And in order to get discovered and get traction on social media, you can't be. I mean, you can, but it's very rare that it happens that if you are neutral, if you're vanilla, it has to be. You have to make someone really angry. It has to be something really derogatory. It has to provoke comments and reaction and engagement.

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And this exactly does that thing. So now everyone is comment on it, everyone is sharing it, everyone is talking about it, and it's not for the right reasons really. So it doesn't matter because they've got they've got that kind of, spotlight on them that they wanted. And once you get a leg up on that and then you bring out your Nexon and then you bring out a podcast, and then you bring out your own makeup line.

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So it's it's like, that's how you do something so wild to get the attention. And then you pivot if you just what if you have audience, you have a career, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Whether it's, positive. If it is, if it's, you know, seen as a positive thing. This is why rage baiting on online is so successful and so many people do.

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It is because it brings an audience and you bring an audience and suddenly you make you can make a lot of money, right? And 2 million views in two weeks is significant. It's also weirdly not awful. It's like, thank me. Like I'm pegging that man at the at the back of the bus, right? Yeah. And we're not talking like she's a lyrical genius.

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But there's also there's something about this captivating to watch. And then on top of that, she's saying these explosive things that are going to make people go, what the fuck? I'm this there's a lyric where she's saying something like, she gets fucked on her period or something like that. And I think she says that she's you're not having sex.

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To me, that's on my period. I think she says, right. Okay. Yeah. She said, she says, I'm in this right. Then I'm in the I mean, I'm in the back of the car with your daddy, and he's twerking and pop in a perc. I got in bend in his bum like spice in the back of the van.

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And they stop and search. These men want to act like a beast. So I put these men in a cage. I made a call. Now, two days later, my N-word, a possum passing all over his face. So what's that is? Created a so she says, ain't your daddy suggesting my dad or whoever this is that she's she's putting him in a cage and she's calling him the men that she knows to come and come on his face.

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That is mental. Especially if you actually sit there. Visualize that if she died in a cage, this trust. Yes. I don't know what else to say about that. Really? He's mad that your daughters have seen it before you, you know, I mean, it is. And the thing is as well about it, I. I'm trying not to be that dad.

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I know that eventually I will turn into him as to be not my children. I've got to say this. This is bloody disgusting. This is, you know, all of that. At the end of the day, they do. Hey, they're young. When I. When I was a kid, I was listening to fucking Eminem or whatever it might be that was trendy at that time because of the lyrics or what they were saying, or doing the music videos and roses in secret because of all the swearing.

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Like if my dad and my mom went in the house, I'd have it all not listen to it in my bedroom. But if they were, I put my headphones in and just listen to that. I know that was nothing. It's not. It's like, that is this is what it is. And and rap as well. I know it's cause some controversy.

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Yeah. I mean that was an even then that came out. Oh yeah. It's worse than that. It feels. Well I don't know. It's just it maybe because it is it because it's women. They've got the power and people are a bit like, well this is all about female dominance isn't it. It's all about the dynamic has changed. Yeah, I guess so.

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But what do you mean? There's an additional amount of, critique over it because it's a female doing it. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That that's a weapon for her. That's that's something she can use, for sure. It always is about dehumanizing. And what's the word, emasculated men. Yeah. And then and then there's a subtext in society that there are lots of men that are into that on a sexual level, I think.

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I think there might be as well, you know, there's tons in there. Yeah. You're one of them. Your mum doesn't. Your mom does it to me anyway. What are we talking about is the, we've got music.

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On them night hazy like Band of Brothers playing tunes. Highs quiet. Midnight waves. Surfing through till daylight breaks. Rhythm of different ways. Love of music are. We prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band as I we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Promise.

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Hello and welcome to lads. Anonymous is episode 54. I'm Ricky, he's Flav, two best mates. One main topic. We answer your dilemmas. Your confessions are featured in something only you know. And everything remains anonymous. Always. So sit back, relax and enjoy the pot. How's it going, Flav? All ready for Christmas? No no no not really. No I've got I've got I haven't I've got some stuff to do.

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Well I when the time comes out when Christmas Day is on Wednesday in it. Yeah. No I'm not ready. What. Are you ready? No. Fuck no man. Fuck no I hang on. So you're deciding instead of to get ready for Christmas? Go on lads, piss up today pretty much. Yeah yeah yeah yeah I like that's that's I can't and then tomorrow can't do it tomorrow.

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Obviously Spurs planned so. Exactly. Sorry. At the time of recording. Recording. It's on Saturday. It's coming out on Monday. Yesterday Liverpool we played Liverpool. We beat Liverpool. Yeah. So when are you going to get ready. You're going to take today Monday. Well I have to do what. Yeah Monday and Tuesday. Same Monday and Tuesday is basically going to be my I've got all the presents.

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Just need to wrap them. But the main thing I need to do is the Christmas shop food. I haven't done, the food haven't done, but we're away. So we're at my Mrs. Parent's house. Christmas for Christmas Day. Yeah. And then Boxing Day in the lunchtime. But it's going to be the second Christmas dinner. My Mrs. Auntie.

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Then Boxing day evening, my family come over to mine, which will be more of, kind of cold meats and, you know, are you going to take the cold meats from your mother, your mother in law's house at home? No no no no no no no no. So I need to go out shopping and get a joint of gammon and roast beef or whatever it might be that win.

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So I'll probably cook that Boxing Day. Maybe it's just not gonna be cold. I'm going to be I don't know why I'm getting stuck up on this, but it's not going well. Yeah, it will be. It will still be warm if you cooked it on the on the same day. I'll cook it in the morning and leave it out on the side to cool down all day.

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It will be cold right? 24 hours. You right. I'll do it on Christmas Day then.

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The Christmas day. Come on. But all the little nibbles as well, because I always go fucking overboard. And I said this on the quickie with Ricky midweek pot, talking about your Christmas stories and how you spend your Christmas days. And I was saying at the beginning that I, I'm kind of like, ready. But every Christmas I always go, I'm fucking nuts with the food.

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Like, the whole world shuts down for two weeks. We can't go anywhere and we have to live and eat and get all the best stuff. And it's ridiculous because I buy so much food and Christmas and January, I want to get back on the health and I want and I, I don't want to. It's a new year, a new me, a new body, and my carpets are chock a block with the bad stuff.

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And I think I need to eat it because I don't want to waste any money. So I'm munching my way through a sack of ready salted peanuts. But it's already January to 12. How many more peanuts can I fucking eat? I'm not wasting it. So then it gets to 50. So you'd rather put like. And I'm six 7000 calories in your body rather than license and peanuts.

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That's absolutely. Yeah. Yeah absolutely. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. We're, we're on the same page and that always happens every year. So I've left as late as possible to get the Christmas food so that we're not munching away all the way through December. And I got Christmas Day will be. That's the fun of it, right? It's got loads of food in the house.

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You're just buying enough food for one Boxing Day? No, for that, for that Christmas Day to New Year for a week. And you don't think so? You got you going to be a little bit more spendy with it or you just. Yeah. Same amount. Yeah I will be a bit more spending spendy. What what kind of products might you get.

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Like you buy some after eight months in. Oh yeah. Standard. Standard. Yes I'm talking about buy normally right. Yeah. There's more of the, you know, picky dinners, those types where it's like everything in breadcrumb. Anything I say in breadcrumbs is fucking going in my basket. Anything in batter is going in my basket. All that stuff. Twig. It's Pringles.

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Gotcha. Well, all of that shit. Have you ever done your Christmas shop before? Oh my my I'm was my dad's done it and we're going to is. Oh okay. So but yeah. But what about the time between Christmas and New Year. You still just going get ready. That's every day. Well. The shop. Sorry if we can go.

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I don't know, yeah, I don't know me either. I, we probably will get some stuff somehow that I, I'm not. I haven't bought or even bought enough presents yet. I can't think about that stuff. Oh. He's working right. Oh. Anyway, so it's not like we're off. Oh, right. Man. I'm working. She's working. So it's not really very Christmassy, but.

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Well, they're on, the midweek pot. We have, a quickie with Ricky. There's someone at the, they used a wonderful turn of phrase apples of the earth for describing potatoes. And I was like, that is. That is superb. And I found out since that, everyone has been asking me, apples of the Earth is actually a is what they call potatoes in France.

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I didn't know that. Pondicherry or Pondicherry, I'm that's what it translate to. And then this person went into slagging off potatoes and saying they're the most overrated thing going. That's who said that. Yeah I yeah. Exactly. Say overrated. They're literally the most that versatile food you can have. I was furious, I was bloody furious. Absolutely furious. What.

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So I mean overrated did not lots of people eat potatoes like everybody eats potatoes? I can understand for how popular they are and how it is quite a basic taste. Those two shouldn't be the same, general. I mean, I can understand that that. But they're just so useful in the kitchen. Their point is that it's not the potatoes people love is what you add to it.

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If you have a jacket potato, you have loads of butter. And so yeah, yeah, if you have mashed potato it's cream and it's, you know, so it's like yeah. But don't you add seasoning to everything. Yeah. It's like you. So he's just walking around only and stuff. It doesn't have to be season.

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He's just by loads of ready meals because there's loads of salt and stuff in that. I think I don't get that and I don't abide by that at all. I think he's just being a contrarian. I think you're. Yeah. So I know they're definitely listen to they say this is fluff. And do I know they say you do know them.

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Yeah, yeah. Whoever you are, you just fucking shut up. Shut up. We had some entries from Australia. How they celebrate their Christmas, Norway and other traditions that people had realized that weren't normal. So one of them was, a person had emailed in to say that when they when they were younger, they'd go up to bed that go up the stairs and they would him and their siblings would all sing Jingle Bells, and that's to Santa.

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They're going to bed. So when they wake up in the morning, presents will be under the tree. When he got with his first girlfriend, they lived in a flat and that person had children. And he asked, how is how did you do the going up the stairs bit for the Jingle Bell song because you've got no stairs. And how will Santa know that this they can leave presents under the tree?

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And she looked at him dumbfounded. I say, what are you going on about? And it was it. And it was that at that point he realized that it was only a tradition in his house.

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And he thought that everyone was doing it, so everyone did. That's what everyone does every Christmas. That's how everyone knows. And it this I know this isn't very Christmassy, but it reminds me that that, that clip of that, it's a podcast. I don't there's so many podcasts, too many podcasts now. Right. Anybody who just wants that has an opinion you're going can start a podcast.

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The irony of this being a podcast is not lost on me. But but he's this bloke was like this broken woman, we're talking about going for a poo. And he was he goes, you touch shit every time you poo. And she's like, no you don't. Yes you do. Here's how do you shit. And she goes like normally like everybody else.

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You goes so you don't poo into tissue. You, you poo straight into the water. And she's like, yeah, everyone please straight into the world. And he's entire life he's been catching the poo from his bum and then putting in the work of a scene. That clip at no point in his entire life go, why am I catching this poo?

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And then matches the mess that's come out of your bum? And every time you like you, you can't catch that. You cannot catch that. It's impossible. It reminded me of a time where you know where like you go round to people's houses and you people have traditions where they do things in their house and you think that's fucking weird?

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We don't do that in my house. I always remember, and he takes me back. When I first went round to my Mrs. Family's house for a Chinese, and they ordered their Chinese, and it was just the usual run of the mill stuff. Chicken chow mein. Yeah, we get that, sweet sour chicken booze. We get that beef curry.

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We don't get that. But I can get down. Would be curry. That's fine. And that. Oh, lovely. Absolutely lovely. And then I got to the last container and opened it. I said to my missus, the fox, that she went, it's bean sprouts. I said, well, just bean sprouts. I said, I know it's bean sprouts. Be your family. Order a whole tub of bean sprouts just on their own.

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She's like, yeah. And I was like, that is fucking weird. I've been sprouts inside. Yeah, you do, you do. But oh, fucking tub of bean sprouts a of the bean sprouts. Is it summer? Yeah, I've got a taste there right now. Ha ha ha ha. And every time I garage toys sure enough to have a bean sprouts. What is going on?

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This fucking weird man. That is meant that the is meant to it. It is like they each have a little bit of bean sprouts. And why does it barely taste of anything? They're just stuff to add. Add substance. I mean, I like the crunchiness of them, but do you need help? A tub of bean sprouts? I don't know, I don't think so.

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The more ratings we get, the better the podcast does, and it makes me feel better anyway, so just go ahead and do that. So thank you very much. And now we are going to jump into today's topic of music. When you growing up. Yeah. Blitz your house a music house. Like was there always tunes playing. Yeah yeah we'd have but my dad was a bit of a audiofile in that, he always loved music, but he also spent a fortune on, like, hi fi equipment, like me speakers he bought.

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I even to this day, still expensive. There will. I can't remember the exact brand of them, but they were like bows. They were small bow square speakers. And you had four of them stacked. And then there's, like, surround sound for the television. There was also like when when we watched the movie, like Saving Private Ryan or something, you have to switch the surround sound on, and it'd be like you were in the middle of the movie as well.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, he spent a lot of money. And then and then obviously he was like the first. So so younger listeners won't they may know what this is, but it was the first version of what is now what would have been an iPod. So it was a Sony Sony Walkman. And it meant that you could play cassettes as you walked around.

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Oh shit. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. You had a cassette player when you was a kid, right? Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Tape, tape. So he. But he bought the very first ever Sony Sony Walkman. It's this blue and plastic. And so we had that in the house and I would walk around with that. On playing my favorite music or whatever it might be.

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And we would sit down and he had loads of CDs. So we would sit down. I would sit down with the tape, blank tape on a tape deck, and I'd be just picking songs that I like from all these CD's and making my own Little Mix tapes and stuff like that. I used to spin off, let's call it A.

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You spent hours doing it, hours and hours and hours and then right on the tape deck, right, writing all the track listings. It's like, yeah, that's yeah, that's pretty cool. I was never into it. As in, no, not into as in that way there would be the God, this is so fucking old man that you remember when you would have a blank tape in your cassette player and you'd be listening to the radio, and then you play, you press play and record at the same time, then everything off the radio.

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Yeah. Yeah. That I mean, that was that, that was the kind of, the maximum I would go it would be really annoying because he's not talking over the end of the song and we knew you like, did that on purpose so we could do that. Yeah. But I don't fucking care. Like, with your with your old man.

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Was he into a genre of music or was it just a, he just played everything, typically, sort of grunge, rock, grunge, anything kind of. He liked a lot. So Seattle was like the hub. What? What? Your dad. Yeah, really? I would say his favorite bands growing up would have been when? When I was young enough.

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So when I was aware of the music he was listen to, it would have been Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Pearl jam, Smashing Pumpkins. No. Fuck off. Really? Yeah. He loved, you know. So that's why it's a fucking done in that part. That's where my. So anything he listened to, I listen to. That's why I listen to you know and then I so I would, I would get into my own taste of like I went into sort of green green day and, Guns and Roses moved away from grunge, you know.

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Yeah, yeah. My love to la, Silverchair. I love Madonna. Yeah. Also loves, R&B. So he would really. Yeah. Mary J by Blige's favorite, I think.

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Seriously, he loves that's to this, Mary J. Blige. Female singers. Any folk female singers he loves. He loves them. I mean, my dad still swap music weekly to this day. That's amazing. The last thing we got, we're into listening both together is Wonder Horse. At the moment. We're both listen to the wonderful Seven. Yeah, I've noticed that you've been, one of the who listen at about this wicked.

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Well, what about your out there? Let me see. She she she she helped me get into music as well. Right, right. But because she, she would buy me music, she was in she's I don't I wouldn't say she was into music. I think she, she goes about a day listening to music on a daily basis. But, but she would she bought me my first Beatles albums.

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Oh. Nice. Yeah. It was a sort of early Beatles which had some German stuff on there, which they didn't have, you know, but they recorded in German. They, they recorded English and they had German as well. Oh, shit. Really? Yeah. They based out, I think they were based in Hamburg or somewhere like that. And they. Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah. Recorded some of their songs in, in German. You can still go on YouTube. It's sort of. So, probably never seen, some of the, so yeah, she, she bought with that. She bought me a Bjork album when I was younger and stuff. So, yeah, I used to listen to all of that.

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My brothers would buy music for me for Christmas, so. Yeah, I've always, always got my, my mum. So, again, my mum wasn't into music that much, I'd say. But what she was always playing, what I can remember, Fleetwood Mac, which is fucking top tier. Yeah, absolute top tier. What's your favorite Fleetwood Mac? Hum. I would say rumors.

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So yeah, I probably, I'd probably say rumors because I've. And I've actually gone to see Fleetwood back the best tribute act. And they were doing rumors. Yeah. Fucking brilliant. I bet they sounded almost identical. Yeah, that's the thing. Like, a lot of people give tribute acts a lot of shit they shouldn't. But it sounds exactly the same.

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You. Most people won't get to see Fleetwood Mac play everybody. So, you know, I think if we haven't spoken about this, but they have a festival right where it's all it is, the entire festival is tribute acts and oh my God. So it ends up with the best festival you could ever imagine because they've got tribute acts of the best bands.

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So there's obviously there's one that's about like The Cure, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac. I don't know. The actual names of the bands currently is Oasis, blur, fucking all of the like the Biggest Dream, Elton John, all the like the biggest festival you could ever imagine. It's just not them. But it sounds exactly like them in the UK. Yeah, I'll find out what it is because I always like to that I was genuinely thinking that would be a laugh.

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We'd go there, you'd have a massive singalong and you know, you just take enough drugs to not know that they're not there, they're not real. But really, then you don't mean the best. I just think if you if you just take is snob in a way, I just I mean, we're just gonna have a laugh and I just enjoy it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going around going. Yeah. I went to see Oasis at the weekend. I went to an Oasis and they sounded exactly the same and I'm so far away it might as well have been them. He probably sounds better than Liam does. Probably. Yeah, probably. I'll be. I'll be up for that room. I always remember it for my mum.

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She even had. She loved this, a so much. And it was obviously all the time and that she fancied him, but she had all these tapes. She even had his, VHS performances. The one and only Mick Hucknall. Simply Red, by my love, simply Red eye. For some reason I was scrolling through something the other day, and there was an old bit of footage where simply Red were playing, and it was more of a stripped back kind of strings and classical, but it was more focused on Mick Hucknall, his voice like in the, in a theater or something.

00:29:46:20 – 00:30:09:03
It was fucking insane. Yeah. He's he's vocals were just they were fabulous. Honestly. So good. You a bit of a Hucknall. Oh would. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's cracking. He was a bit of a go back in the day as well. So low is about me. It's mental in it. You just think like you look at him and he's not like he's a bit of an odd looking bloke.

00:30:09:03 – 00:30:30:00
And he really, well, a long, red, curly hair. He's got, a ruby in his front teeth. And if you just went Mick Hucknall, I see sounds. He looks like that. Anthony. Then I know what that means. Right. But you know what it means. That's what he looks like, that noise. But, you know, you're you're simply red. Were massive.

00:30:30:02 – 00:30:53:19
Massive. Yeah. They've got a couple of. Okay. Look up. Yeah. There you go. Couple I'll give you that. Yeah. They have got a couple. They have. Well is that something happened at the fairground? No. Oh, coming home to you. Even if I know I can make it. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh. Day to be fair. All day for that one.

00:30:53:19 – 00:31:23:11
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah. I've got some bangers. Yeah. My old man he used to listen to. I don't know what kind of music it was, but one of his favorite artists is Kid Creole on the coconuts. And they used to wear zoot suits. And I don't know what fucking like funk. So maybe that. And so when I was growing up and I'd go around to my dad's house, he would be playing that.

00:31:23:13 – 00:31:46:04
And it was more of these bands, the funk soul bands that he would listen to. But again, he wasn't really, like massively into music. My mum always says that the first song that I ever danced to or was listening to was Bob Marley. I used to play in the house quite a lot. Yeah, there is a certain song, I can't remember what it is now.

00:31:46:06 – 00:32:07:15
So there is, there is all this also kind of, some reggae being played in the house, but because I was young, I don't really remember that. And then my dad's other favorite band, you know, who is Petro? Pet Shop Boys. So I always used to love for you because if how much you liked Pet Shop Boys?

00:32:07:17 – 00:32:36:09
Yeah. It was. I always found it really funny because typically I think about you and I think of Oasis. I think of blur, and I think of, like, indie pop. Yeah. That's of, like, a block party. Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo and. All right. And that's going out. And you know in the mid 2000 and you know the music we'd listen to and just get off on, that's the gate of itit's too and got down borderline and it was all strokes.

00:32:36:09 – 00:33:01:03
It was. Yeah, it was the Smiths. It was just great indie singalong stuff. And the hours and hours we'd spend in the borderline just fucking up in the best time, singing our hearts off, singing our hearts out. It it was, it was magical. And I don't think we realized how good it was at the time. So you saying that now and saying the word borderline, I am getting.

00:33:01:05 – 00:33:29:16
I'm sorry. That was. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I also sad like the that's gone and like what. Think about how many nights would you spent in the book. Like every Saturday. It felt like every Saturday for about four years. Yeah. I'm borderline there. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And and we would go there and we'd spend three hours, four hours there till the lights came on and you would in the room, the club would still be rammed when the lights went on.

00:33:29:16 – 00:33:54:21
That's how much of a good time everyone was having. It was wicked. Oh, there's a picture I've got where? I think I was with our mate Tim and my brother Ryan, and we were in there and I'm singing at the top of my lungs with my eyes closed. Where do you do that now? Where does that happen? I don't know, I think that, like, there are no clubs in Milton Keynes, people or no young people aren't going clubbing.

00:33:54:21 – 00:34:18:00
Also, no there's not. And even when I was growing up, that indie scene, there was a bar called Bar Centro. And on a Thursday night for two hours they would play Oasis. And that was my that was your only fix to go and see an indie band in Milton Keynes, where you can have alcohol and be roommates on a Thursday night for two hours.

00:34:18:02 – 00:34:33:17
So there was never really that kind of vibe in Milton Keynes. And then when I came down to London and then borderline and other bars that we went to, it was like, fuck, you know, it's like these places are playing all of our music all the time. Why are we talking about it? I was going off on a tangent.

00:34:33:17 – 00:34:54:03
I was about to say something else. Pet Shop Boys, right? Yes. Rick, I really want to talk about the Petrol Boys. So I always appreciate, like. But the petrol was a decent. Yeah, but it's not. It's not my cup of tea. Really? And you was always banging on about a Pet shop boys you love. Not always find it hilarious that you just.

00:34:54:05 – 00:35:14:17
And pet Pet Shop Boys order it. And then I saw them live in Primavera last year. One of the best gigs I've ever been to in my life. They were so good they got here, boy. But the visual aspect of it was incredible. Like the backdrop, what they'd done there, their look, the shit they wearing, some match it and.

00:35:14:17 – 00:35:34:09
But this is so good. Oh. What's his name again? I can't remember the lead singer. Yeah. Tennant something someone said. Yes. They've the.

00:35:34:11 – 00:35:52:08
No. Neil Tennant. Nelson. Yeah, I know that guy. His voice is impeccable. It's exactly the same when they. When it was, they could have been playing it off a CD. It was that good. It was. It was unreal. And was day two of festival. My brother wasn't really feeling it. My wife never listened, said Pet Shop Boys.

00:35:52:08 – 00:36:11:05
And I was like, I'm going to listen to this for Ricky because if he was here, they'd be listen to it and I would love to move in. I knew every words. Must every song was having 2000 people buzzing. It was great quality, mate. Yeah. Shop boys, I've never put Pet Shop Boys on to listen to it. I wouldn't, but for that, when they come on in the playlist.

00:36:11:07 – 00:36:31:03
Yeah, he's one of those smile on my face think me old man, he loves them day. And yeah, absolutely love them. To go back on what you're saying with your influences and your brothers. When I was growing up, my sister, she listened to R&B and swing and shit like that, and I was just like, this is fucking guff.

00:36:31:08 – 00:36:50:21
I'm not listen to this stuff. And then my cousin. So when I grew up, I was really close to my cousins and they listened to hip hop, but it wasn't like mainstream hip hop. It was like underground. But I would never heard of any of the bands this Alec, Alec and Ryan. Yeah, I went into that and I didn't.

00:36:51:01 – 00:37:12:01
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. So so I never really kind of was influenced by them either. And obviously like you know, it's just that their cousin come around after you listen to what he says and these fucking basic bitch music, guy around that, that probably be their stuff. And I'll be like, I literally have no idea what this is a what's going on.

00:37:12:01 – 00:37:34:12
Come on. Like, no, not you never know. No. They knew that as well. Yeah. So like with your brothers that you're quite I mentioned it previously on the podcast that always feels that there's like a bit of a, a competitive edge of new music. Like, you are this band, though. Oh. Competitive edge. Yeah. Like I introduce it to this.

00:37:34:14 – 00:37:57:05
No, I said I saw the xx first and I did and I said that, which I, which I always quite liked, it was quite a thing of like digging each other out and then finding the next band, and then someone would find a band by everyone tickets, and then you'd all go to it, and then you'd argue about who you saw first, but then I maybe I can't.

00:37:57:06 – 00:38:12:10
I know what you're talking about. There is an unwritten competitive. I mean, do you have it as well? Ring? Oh, I will say to you, listen to this band and you just won't listen to him like I've told you about. We spoke about one day. I was about 50 times. And you've just not bothered. Yeah, yeah. Why do you do that?

00:38:12:12 – 00:38:34:08
I don't know, I actually have that written in the, in the running order for this. I don't know why. Like, it's about new music, new films, new TV shows where it's so kind of everyone is talking about it. Everyone is talking about Breaking Bad, Breaking Bad, everything. But obviously, you know, and it goes on and on.

00:38:34:08 – 00:38:52:17
And then people say, have you seen? I'm like, no. And it drives me further away when, you know, you may be looking about like, no, I know, and it's not because I want to be contrary or I want to be out on my own, a lone wolf or whatever. I just it just puts me off when everyone is talking about it.

00:38:52:21 – 00:39:15:16
So I want to get round to it in my own time. Not when everyone is dragging me along to listen and to see it. But that isn't about music. That's how you as a person, isn't it? And I get it, I know that I get it as well. There's an element of of it becoming. If everyone's listened to the same album, it feels like a little bit cheap that you haven't discovered it yourself and you just going along with the ride.

00:39:15:18 – 00:39:33:15
Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But there are some albums that are so good you can't that they don't allow you to do it like that. Libertines that the Libertines, the Fontaines DC album was number one for everybody. I if you listen to it. But there's a couple of I think I did.

00:39:33:15 – 00:39:59:16
Yeah. You sent it to me. Yeah. And all of us. That might be one of the best songs of the decade. I remember you sent it to me, and I listened to the first song and I was like, yeah, that's pretty good. The second song was a bit weird, and I was like, okay, that's I'm going to hate your business if it's moment that one night I listened to that one first and then it went on to another song and I was like, this is, this is all right.

00:39:59:16 – 00:40:07:10
I suppose it is in that indie kind of sphere. Then the next one was really weird.

00:40:07:12 – 00:40:27:10
Writing almost the last 30 years of music, of indie music. It's just. And then and then and then the next one. I was like, that doesn't even sound like them, that this sounds totally different. What had done is I played a single and then Spotify was recommend to me songs like them, so I wasn't even listening to them and I was like, but it's not.

00:40:27:14 – 00:40:55:05
It's funny you say that because I didn't realize that we used what you was getting at, because it makes sense when you listen to their album. It is eclectic. It will, it doesn't. You know, some albums have a style and it all knits together quite neatly, and it all sounds like it's from the same wheelhouse. The Libertines, the fuck, Fontaines DC album moves around the lot, and it sounds like a lot like in one song.

00:40:55:05 – 00:41:20:00
It'll sound like The Smiths. Then it might sound like a bit like Bloc Party, or then it sounds like Fontaines DC and it just moves around. And what's amazing about them is they've released the album, they've released five albums since 2019, and they all hail. Really? Yeah. This is the fifth album. Yeah. And they all sound different. You can tell it's them, but they move on.

00:41:20:02 – 00:41:41:11
They just they don't stand still. And that's what's interesting about them. And they love the live albums, no doubt that people don't rate, but it's they're moving forward. It's not Radiohead as I like it. You know they are we going to talk about our favorite bands. Yeah. Well yeah. This is where I'm, I'm no I'm literally steering the ship back to our favorite bands.

00:41:41:13 – 00:42:12:07
Like in your show you're most kind of like for me, my most formative music era was teens and obviously early 20s. And I could go on and I could speak about. So the the first single I ever bought was by a band called erasure. Yeah. And the song was always, and I don't know how I quite like that sort of I homo.

00:42:12:09 – 00:42:33:23
Yeah, I know, I know, I us. So it's not to say homo music. I mean like homo centric is like, is that an offensive time? I can't remember what I'm saying is it's aimed at the gay community. Like, yeah, it was kind of like gay pride, deep pride, music and and yeah, Shop Boys definitely. No, no, no, you were a nail on the head, mate.

00:42:34:00 – 00:42:48:15
I don't know, I don't know, but I yeah, I just liked it. That was the first first single. But if you if you but if you, if you listen to your dad's music it would have been formative years. Yes. All of my music comes from that. From listening to what my dad listen to. Yeah. Everyone's like, I think.

00:42:48:20 – 00:43:08:01
I don't think my dad would have been into that fight so. Well, not Pet Shop Boys. Oh, shit. Yeah. No you're right. Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay I reckon. Oh yeah. Yeah probably. Yeah for sure. Yeah I think before about that. Really. Well you know what would think to connect them like that until I've been talking about it. This is why I'm so obsessed.

00:43:08:01 – 00:43:29:01
With what. Obsessed with. But I really enjoyed Cassie's Dad album because it sounds like it's from the 80s, but it with modern hip hop. That's what's so fascinating about the album. It's the production. Do you know? Did you ever listen to it? No. It's that the guy that wears the mask. Okay. But not that. That not the dead guy.

00:43:29:01 – 00:43:49:01
That was the mask. The dead guy that wears a mask. Oh, no. No, and MF doom. Yeah, it is different. Different vibe, a different, different mask. This is English that he's he's from London. Is Cassie's that you know. Yeah. Yeah I day but he's the production of that album is what's special about it rather than his abilities as an MC.

00:43:49:01 – 00:44:08:08
Although he has a unique style, his production is sounds like growing up. When I grew up and I was watching films from the 80s, and he's clearly about my age. Yeah, because of his influences, the films from the 80s. And like, your dad listened to Pet Shop Boys and you like in erasure, probably because of that. It. Yeah.

00:44:08:10 – 00:44:39:15
Yeah, it feeds into, It feeds into what? What we were, what we were back then, and it's like a comfort. So when I put on Cassie's dead, I heard I. It made me feel like I was ten again watching RoboCop. Yeah, yeah. Mate, that's a so interesting. I never thought about it in that way. And with with erasure and that I think that, that was around 94.

00:44:39:17 – 00:45:09:22
So that was when I kind of first had that discovery of music, the way it made me feel, actually using my personal allowance, my newspaper around money and going to buy something for myself, music. And then obviously Oasis came on the scene. And in every secondary school it was just everyone was talking about Oasis. Everyone had polka jackets, everyone was growing their.

00:45:09:24 – 00:45:38:20
It was like I'd never seen anything catch fire so quickly and kind of be on mainstream TV and pop culture, all of that stuff. But I'm going to be honest with you, er, Oasis definitely, definitely, maybe was the first album I ever bought. I hadn't really listened to it. Just everyone at school was talking about it really. So I thought I should probably buy this because everyone else is doing it.

00:45:38:21 – 00:45:59:15
But Ricky, unless you live in listen to the radio, how else are you going to hear it other than buying the record? Yeah, until I listened to, I'd heard bits and pieces, but it was just everyone was. Everyone was like the buzz feverish on it. And I was like, well, I have to every able to buy it. It's about yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:59:16 – 00:46:18:19
So that was me. That was my first album that I bought. And then after that it was fucking gay. Maybe it's a bit. So my dad bought it, but that put it on. And obviously what's the story. And we would be playing it. You had a CD player in the car as well. Obviously. Like I said, you always had to have the latest first CD Walkman had that as well.

00:46:18:21 – 00:46:43:17
Nice. I remember being like, I don't know, 14, 15 driving. We went on holiday to havia near Alicante. Yeah. Yeah. And drive from Alicante airport to Harvey was about an hour and a half. So I would just sit there with Nirvana's Nevermind on. I'm just looking out the window, my dad's fucking pocket CD player and the headphones just listened to nevermind.

00:46:43:19 – 00:47:14:00
Back to front. It's fucking. That was a great. That's, Yeah, that sounds very much. Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. But we've had with Nirvana and that more heavy music. So when I was I'm going to like, I think it's safe to assume for, for both of us, mainly, you know, mainly me, but Radiohead, blur, pulp, charlatans, all that noise in these music, that's what I was brought up on.

00:47:14:00 – 00:47:39:01
And that's what I listen to. That's what I love. That's what I listen to. Now that that is totally me. But then there's a little bit of me that went a bit, went a little bit sideways in my maybe early 20s, 19, around the era, and my mates didn't really get it. Limp Bizkit yeah. Papa. Papa roach. Yeah.

00:47:39:03 – 00:47:47:08
Put that into pieces. I actually I last resort to the suffocation.

00:47:47:10 – 00:48:12:06
I was, I bought the album to Rick, link Linkin Park, but that's when I put my thoughts. Came on the scene crawling about some these moves. They will not. He, It was my emo era. That was. That was my, like, kind of. I don't know when I recall. Yeah, yeah. Linkin Park are probably my dad's top five bands.

00:48:12:06 – 00:48:33:15
He loves. Loves really always. Always. I had, Hybrid Theory. They bought. I had two albums. I never knew this. I know this is amazing to you about it. He said, I will tell you, he's, I never really like Linkin Park, to be honest. I like that. I got in, you know, I watched him on TV, but, I never saw.

00:48:33:15 – 00:48:55:23
I also remember I also remember buying, because of that era and that style. Lost profits. Probably shouldn't, admit that now that back then. Oh, no, I didn't realize I, I maybe not. Yeah, like a bad one. Like the worst. Yeah, yeah. Like king like up there. Top tier. You know, you can't. That is the worst of all.

00:48:55:23 – 00:49:20:17
The 90s. Yeah. I couldn't tell you a single Lost Profits fan. I wasn't into that music. Yeah. It was. It is sort of emo rock, though. We went I really, you see. Okay. That's that's that's, I'd never listen to that. Lost profits, My Chemical Romance bullet, but no, I can't remember. All the other ones were bullet for my Valentine or something or something like,

00:49:20:19 – 00:49:41:00
Yeah. Yeah. No, that was a guy that, like, nu metal, nu metal, nu metal. I don't really I don't know enough to probably sound like a fucking old man. I don't know enough about that. That. No, no, that's fine. I was by that point, I was into it. I was well into my hip hop. So. And then when I.

00:49:41:02 – 00:50:07:13
So I had that little, era there and then when I went to college is when I met people that were into music, that had long hair and band t shirts and chains and baggy jeans. Now, from where I'm from and the lads I was hanging around with, that was that was not us. And this is where I first kind of.

00:50:07:13 – 00:50:19:21
So what age, what I must have been early. Like I must have been 20, 20 years old. And that is when I discovered bands like The Smiths.

00:50:19:23 – 00:50:43:11
The Cure and even The Libertines. That is when I wasn't listening to those that type of music, the Strokes, even. And that's where I kind of had that. I was going in a different route, what my mates were, what would open that realization? It was still Oasis and Blur and it was still that kind of music.

00:50:43:11 – 00:51:08:06
But it was that discovery, that self-discovery of music. And when did you, Because I know that you love hip hop. Yeah. And would you say it's the main thing that you listen to? For a long time, I've kind of moved away into more to just towards bands now. When did you start with and how did you get into hip hop?

00:51:08:08 – 00:51:31:24
So I was it started with Eminem. I was, I was I remember when I first heard, hi, my name is Samia. Yeah. What you mean so. Well, I was, I was working in my first job, my warehouse. But you remember when you first heard that song and I heard it playing on the radio, and. And I was like, what other.

00:51:32:01 – 00:52:02:16
What was that he saying about Nine Inch Nails? His eyelids. Well, what was it? What's he saying, Ricky? Exactly the same. When, when I was sitting, I was, I was, I was doing voluntary work for, I was volunteering for a charity at the time called exposure. I mentioned a couple of times Eve media used to write articles and do bits and pieces for them, and I was working on an article and they had we was at the radio on radio one and do do do do do you know what that was?

00:52:02:16 – 00:52:26:07
That's it. Hi. My name is, my name is, my name is. And you're like, what is this? This is weird. And then he starts rapping and talking. You know, it was mad shit that he talks about. Yeah. And you're like, that is fucking mad. You know, I did the minute I left the office on my way, I went straight to price and I bought the same CD, LP.

00:52:26:07 – 00:52:47:20
No, I read a same diary the same day. That's cool. Well, because I was like, why is that? I mean, I know what hip hop is. I know what rap is, and it's not something that's ever interested me, really. I never listen to rap music or hip hop. And then that came on and I was like, I have to hear what it is.

00:52:47:22 – 00:53:07:19
So I went and bought the album and I put it into my Sony Discman, and it was one of the ones where it's hold it up, right? Otherwise it's shit. I remember that's fucking yeah, it's about £50 from Argos and you could just walk around of it. It was a commitment to be to music, but then we had to hold it.

00:53:07:19 – 00:53:43:14
So it was vertical sort of CD didn't skip, no tongue. And listening to the the same shade. Yup. And when I got to my front door, it hadn't finished. So I carried on walking and I kind of wait till the album finished. And to say my mind was blown. It would be an understatement. It changed everything. And now people listen to the people that are listening to this who didn't or have never listened to Eminem or would look at him now and what he is now and think, that shit's corny.

00:53:43:16 – 00:54:04:01
It wasn't then. It was. The first two albums were not corny at all. They were great, they were aggressive, and they were violent, and they were saying things that no one said at the time. Very, you know, it would be him. I don't I don't know enough about that era of hip hop to be completely sure what I'm saying, but I know Eminem and what I like went on to.

00:54:04:01 – 00:54:26:05
He's like DMX, I went to Eminem, went to Dres, DMX, that was The Root. But DMX and Eminem were rapping about mental stuff. Yeah. It was just so refreshing to me because nothing, I hadn't heard anything like it and it just couldn't stop listening the album, I would, I would listen, I would rap it in my sleep.

00:54:26:05 – 00:54:48:22
I would dream about this music or dream about Eminem's first album, and I couldn't get his rapping out of my head. So adapted, feverish dreams of him in my brain. I was so invested in that. For those folks, how magic is that? They like that. You hear like a single on the radio. Yeah, just these tones as well.

00:54:48:22 – 00:55:08:16
But I walked in on the wind and it comes down to your ears and then you're just fucking. What is that? Dumbstruck. What is that? I need that, where do I get it? And then you've gone to a store to buy it and then listen to All the Way home. And you, even though you've made it to your house, hasn't.

00:55:08:21 – 00:55:31:09
You gotta keep going. And most important thing is, I had the listen this album and you mentioned I'm like, well, and why am I here then? I'm 17, maybe 17 years old and he's rapping about fuckin. He's rapping about drugs and mushroom parties, is rapping about killing his wife and taking her to the sea with his kid in tow.

00:55:31:11 – 00:55:52:20
That's men or stuff. Yeah, that that is. Yeah, that is fuckin madness. Madness. This is a commercial mainstream album released by Doctor Dres label, and it's getting radio airplay. And the stuff on this album is crazy. It wouldn't happen now. It probably been canceled. It would probably be canceled in this modern era, like in, if he's if he just came out, it wouldn't be allowed.

00:55:52:22 – 00:56:13:12
I don't want to sound like a, like a again. Like a, like an ode that what you know what I am. But it feels like it's a shame that looking back of our chat and the memories and like you've just said that going to a record store and buying this MCD and then playing it like you wouldn't really get that anymore.

00:56:13:12 – 00:56:34:12
I know lots of bands will release 5 or 6 singles and then eight months down the line, release the album. So, you know, singles is a different mechanic now to sharing music? Yeah. Unless you're massive and you can just drop an album without even thinking about it, but it has changed massively. But back in back when we were younger, before Spotify was even a thing.

00:56:34:14 – 00:56:54:24
And I'm glad it's a thing because, yeah, incredible piece of incredible Spotify. It's not I'm, I'm, I'm happy to pay the money each month. Yes I am. Yeah, yeah. But but but then it was like you had to make an investment and a commitment in to someone's work. Yeah. And it didn't always work out like I it.

00:56:54:24 – 00:57:14:11
Would you buy it and you go, I don't like this album. And let's just I'll just pay for expensive music benefits. Who in quid for that or that. Like it. Which is why word of mouth was so important and and wanting to fit in was so important because you gave albums time. Now, if you have lives and you just don't just click to the next thing.

00:57:14:13 – 00:57:38:19
Whereas yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is why I love the fact that my dad had this library of CDs, because I just had all of these tastes that tap into rather than me. I used to, I used to love opening my seat, like when I'd buy the CD, opening the cover, and then sliding the little book out and you'd see all the artwork, and, he produced it and where they recorded it and the different, like, stories that would be behind it.

00:57:38:19 – 00:57:57:02
And you'd be, oh, this is fucking quality, man. Oh, they recorded him. Why? He was, man, that's quality. Like all this other weird stuff that be going on. And you just paint this picture in your mind of this band that you're listening to and stuff. Did you feel like it was more of,

00:57:57:04 – 00:58:24:08
I don't know what. Like, you belong to something more like if you had the album, you read the the the record notes in the book and you go the now it just kind of you flit in and out of fads and and songs and specific bands. But back then, because you had an album, it was physical and, you know, you had to listen to it start to finish as the, as the artist intended.

00:58:24:10 – 00:58:43:11
It just felt like you, you had to work more and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you belonged to that band more so than now. Exactly. Exactly that. And, there was a purpose to the that art, you know what I mean? And maybe it's because I was so invested in that you need to listen to it from start to finish in this way.

00:58:43:11 – 00:59:00:03
And you need to know this from the last album of how it then got to this album and how the stories kind of, reach from that album to this album, or there a break up in that, you know, there was a lot of stuff that you needed to, to know, to really feel and to be involved with it.

00:59:00:09 – 00:59:04:02
But then also, I kind of.

00:59:04:04 – 00:59:29:24
I don't know whether I got is there like a music scene where people are dressing in a certain way because of different bands or a genre of music? Like I always knew when I went out and I had my parka jacket on, the little mod patch, I had this, that and the other, and then I'd see someone walk across the road and they had a Fred Perry and brogues on, and I'd kind of give that no and actually give them an actual nod.

00:59:29:24 – 00:59:48:07
But I knew it was like, that's that's one of my lot. That's my kind of people. And even if you were a goth, if you were fucking were a punk, if you were emo, I don't really see any of that stuff anymore. Or maybe because, because I'm old and I would look out for it. Yeah, I didn't, I mean, yeah, exactly.

00:59:48:07 – 01:00:09:00
I think is of your time and they, there will be subcultures musically that exist, but it doesn't belong to us. It belongs to this generation and the the gatekeeper, don't you? From the old folks. My dad was never interested in what, what? You know, borderline when, you know, when I was my 20s. It's just like my dad. My dad did all that as well.

01:00:09:00 – 01:00:27:20
He saw the Beatles. He saw the stones play. There's a place Called the Rain. The rainbow, I think in, Finsbury Park. He's the love. Small faces. Him and his mate Bill would travel and watch Small Faces all over UK. Literally. He probably seen them. Seen him in at 20 gigs of Small, Small Faces. Yeah.

01:00:27:20 – 01:00:53:05
He has a I've. I've tried to him about that. Yeah. That's cool. Before we jump onto the next bit I have to have your bands that you feel are a guilty pleasure or type of music. And why do you have a little thing? I will talk about mine. And I used to love and my mates were like this as well.

01:00:53:07 – 01:01:16:01
I still have like house music, dance music. So do you ever remember Ministry of Sound? The animals? Yeah, you just have them. I just used to buy them. Listen to them mix by Pete Tong and Boy George or something like that. And I fucking. I'd love it. Trance music, love it back then and that we're going to see Pete Tong.

01:01:16:03 – 01:01:34:16
Bring a mate. That would be quality. That would be. Where is it? I can't say, and there's a reason why I can't say. I'll tell you after. Okay. Well, okay. Yeah it hasn't. It's not. Nothing's confirmed with it yet. But I know somebody who knows somebody. Right. Yeah I, I definitely do that if it comes off. What they're planning is, is quality.

01:01:34:16 – 01:01:58:20
So, Yeah. All right. If you're in any way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He'll know you as well. He knows who you are. Yes. So what would you say? So. Yeah. So yeah, that was my guilty pleasure. And I would have so like, you know, when you have played this and you're playing your music and then all of a sudden fucking a remix would come out from some house DJ or whatever, and then all eyes just kind of go to you and make you see your music.

01:01:58:20 – 01:02:17:10
And I'd be like, yeah, yeah, I love it, I love it. I don't go searching for it now. But back then that was my kind of guilty pleasure of what I would listen to. And if any of those old house tunes, trance tunes come on, they still on my playlist. Absolutely love them, but none of my mates listen to any of that stuff.

01:02:17:10 – 01:02:45:18
None. Yeah, trance is probably the worst music I, I couldn't like trance like happy hardcore and all that stuff. No, not quite happy. Ha! There was a stage when I was at school where we would go to the market and Milton Keynes, and we'd use our money to spend to buy tapes of happy hardcore, and it'd be like a VHS case, and you opened it up and, you know, free tapes on the left side and free tapes on the right side.

01:02:45:20 – 01:02:55:18
And it's like three hours of happy hardcore music fucking. I hated it, but everyone else is buying it. So I brought it to.

01:02:55:20 – 01:03:16:24
Yeah. My missus is heavily she likes house music, so it's sort of chilled house music. And so I've kind of absorbed some of that and listened to a lot more. And I used to, I don't have any, camouflage and, Yeah, but we did. You know that song that you did with Jake Bugg?

01:03:17:05 – 01:03:34:18
They did? No. You did. You do know it. You will have heard. It's so good. Anyway, so I kind of I appreciate that a lot more than I did. I was never really into house music, but since meeting my Mrs.. And, you know, the things, like most people with house music and clubbing, it was like drug culture, right?

01:03:34:18 – 01:03:55:21
It was ecstasy. Yeah, it was scary. And. And you got out dancing. But but my time when I was heavily into rap, it was. It was us at the borderline. Listen to indie music rather. Yeah. So, I never really got into that. But in terms of guilty pleasures, yeah, I've got some more obvious ones and Ministry of Sound, for fuck's sake.

01:03:56:01 – 01:04:18:24
Because that must be. There must be more than that. You got to be a little bit more honest. I've got I'm trying to think I got on. I've got Bon Jovi. I fucking hate Bon Jovi. My fucking, Absolutely, I hate him, I hate meatloaf, and I hate Bruce Springsteen. All of them. I don't like pretending.

01:04:19:02 – 01:04:38:07
I never understood Bruce Springsteen as well. I don't, I don't get it is taught to me so ordinary. So it's the same reason, like my missus loves Sam Fender. Sam Fender sounds like Bruce Springsteen's Me. It's just ordinary, but people do love them. Bon Jovi however, I understand. I understand why you hate them and understand why no one likes them.

01:04:38:10 – 01:05:00:22
I mean, loads of people like them, but no one would admit to it. Yeah, but again, it's just when I was a kid, I bought the Bon Jovi album. What was it called? It just reminds me of, like, being drunk in a Yates's and everyone screaming, livin on a prayer. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that was on the album that I'm trying to find now.

01:05:00:24 – 01:05:25:16
No, I get it. It's shit. It's terrible. You can't tell me. Listening to Dry County, the you're not and you're on your own in the car, that you're not saying the top of your lungs right now. Here you are. But it's. And, keep the faith. Keep the faith, keep the faith. No, no, I am. That's surprised me.

01:05:25:21 – 01:05:40:19
Yeah, well, look, it is a guilty pleasure, I admit it. I don't understand it. I don't I wouldn't tell this if I was trying to impress somebody. I wouldn't tell them. I actually, every now and then stick on Bon Jovi when I'm driving. Have you heard of a band called Bon Jovi? Bloody good. I say Pat Benatar.

01:05:40:19 – 01:06:07:07
I don't know if that's if Pat Benatar is is considered a guilty pleasure is a pop in the 80s, I you would have maybe heard that word once or twice in my life, but no idea of. And it's kind of like mainstream pop from the 80s. It's not like Fleetwood Mac, where it's actually quite good. Pat Benatar was like, yeah, I don't know.

01:06:07:08 – 01:06:30:02
Yeah. I'm not, I'm pretty, I'm pretty. What do you what would you say? I kind of like if something is cheesy, I tend to not like, you know, you mentioned Spotify Wrapped. Yeah, that's a good thing. Yeah. I sometimes want to listen to old school Eminem, but I don't want Eminem to appear on my Spotify rap, so I just don't listen.

01:06:30:04 – 01:06:55:09
Are you kidding me? No, that's. No, that's sad. That is Eminem. It's just like his music. It's so shit now and it's a I disagree. I think it's brilliant. I still think he's a he's the best. I'm listening since modern day Eminem is the thing and I know that's pathetic Rick I know that's pathetic, but I'm ready to admit it.

01:06:55:11 – 01:07:17:24
I won't listen to him. And then, the third, the third or might the third single, my most listened to single on my Spotify, it was it was a song called Dare from the Transformers soundtrack. So I thought, okay, yeah. I thought, you know what? I was just I was as surprised as other people listening. That's like Transformers on this.

01:07:17:24 – 01:07:44:07
What about. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. That's that's. Yeah, yeah. That's it. Yeah. Can I just play it because people won't know what. Yeah. Go on then.

01:07:44:09 – 01:07:51:14
Sometimes when you watch at home and chatter. So it just.

01:07:51:16 – 01:08:28:16
You wonder how you keep going away. Think of all the things that really matter in the changes you do, the fire in your heart is going. You can fly if you try to leave. In the past, behind in the past, behind me. I write that review I yeah, seriously, I'm listening to that. And that's taking me back to being eight, nine years old watching Transformers the movie.

01:08:28:18 – 01:08:50:14
Listen to that. I just that's just one of the bangers on there make. There's fucking loader bangers on there low. So so good, so good. Before we jump into argon. So I'll just sound like what, what do you. Cause you mentioned on the random noise you about Spotify wrapped. Yeah. I was just going to say I think it's a bit over.

01:08:50:14 – 01:09:18:09
Right. Well, for me, it's over right there every year, I think. I think, yeah, for me it's a bit over. Right? It's because it's always going to be the same. At first it was like, oh, this is interesting that I've listened to this bands that many times or that podcast that many times, and but the more I kind of think about, it's always like literally the last three years have been the same five bands, but in a different order really.

01:09:18:15 – 01:09:35:22
And the podcast that I do sometimes, like, I fall in love with a podcast and I will fucking rent it for three months, and then I'm like, you know what? This is actually not that great. And I I've made a mistake and I'll burn it off. And then Spotify Rap comes out. Oh, your favorite podcast is fuck sake.

01:09:35:22 – 01:09:57:15
No, it, I fucking like, it's making me look like a dickhead. Prov so that's it. It does make you like a ticket. And it runs from like February to November as well as like three months where they're not tracking what you're listening to with. Yeah, yeah, that is weird. That's why fucking it probably fucked me up. Yeah.

01:09:57:17 – 01:10:17:15
Started like I was listening. I probably is in there in terms of how much I've listened to this year, but unknown T is like a drill rapper from Palmerton in London. I've heard you mention it, but I have no idea. Album. So good. Such a good album. Like. And it's my second best, second most played album this year.

01:10:17:17 – 01:10:41:05
Rise Above Hate. It's good. But I listen to it in like three months and I kind of dip into it every now and then since. But it's only so long you can listen to someone talking about and man up. Before we move on. But then like six months later, he comes out and he's still there, which I'm fine with, but,

01:10:41:07 – 01:10:56:08
Yeah, it's just what it is. So it was. It used to be really good. You just get a lot more information and a lot more. But is they? Since maybe it's because it's just so big now that they just pulled it down, but it's less. Yeah. It's not that. Yeah, but what it does is it. Gamify your. You're listening.

01:10:56:09 – 01:11:20:21
That's what it is. Why they do it is and everyone's followed them everywhere. Exactly. And a lot of other people are doing it now. Like even Strava will come out and say how many, how many walks you did? How many this you did. I know that which is good, which is nice. Yeah. And I yeah, exactly.

01:11:20:23 – 01:11:41:20
Sorry. Opening doors, asking for lifts and stuff, but I'm not going around, Just looking. What's happening? Very professional, is it? So, yeah, it's, it's a it's a good thing with strawberry in it because it makes you make it game it, like I said, it gamify your exercise. But with this Spotify, it's just to keep you on platform so you don't swap to Apple Music because you'll lose rats and you'll lose all your data and stuff.

01:11:41:20 – 01:12:05:06
It just keeps you. That's it. I've seen a lot of the Apple Boys kicking off because they because they, they don't get it right. Yeah. Maybe it's been years that surely they would have fucking cotton done by now. Come on. It's such a massive organization. It's just not worth their time. So yeah, maybe, all the Apple Music dorks like, are you, like, otherwise available guys?

01:12:05:06 – 01:12:25:05
Nothing. You can use Apple Music instead. You want Spotify so great. Yeah. It's just. And this is why we'll never lose. Then you could you could come and sponsor us. It's know. But this is why it will never lose me. It will never lose. It's like in the same way that it will never not be the most. The number one it's ingrained in is a habitual fair.

01:12:25:05 – 01:12:45:05
People. Yeah. Getting people to change their habits is almost impossible. Yeah, it's very hard. So what, you mean so I'm not going to give up like Elon Musk has done his best to fuck that platform. But people still uses that is that I mean that is a good point. He has fucked that platform completely and everyone still goes over there.

01:12:45:07 – 01:13:18:23
Right? We're going to be jumping into dilemmas and something only you know. The dilemma is called forbidden love. And there's something only you know is called the list. The topic for next week is do gooders or what they're also known, or they call themselves as auditors. So these people that film police stations to get a reaction, they want the police officers to come out saying, those guys and fucking assholes, absolute assholes.

01:13:19:03 – 01:13:41:22
And then so there's a there's a YouTube channel called Auditing Britain. Yes. In it. Why are they doing that? This is what we're going to go into. And then there's a, there's another one that fly drones over security type compounds or private property. Annoying. So that police come out. And then there's have you seen that cyclist as well.

01:13:41:22 – 01:14:01:02
So cycling my K yeah yeah yeah. And then he's got a CCTV right. And not so easy. He's got he's a GoPro in his head. So what you need be using social media vigilantes. Is that what we Zeiss. Yeah that's exactly what it is. Yeah yeah yeah. Right. That's good. I fucking hate that cycling Mickey guy. And I don't agree.

01:14:01:02 – 01:14:25:09
The people should be on their phones when they're driving. But anyway. Well, we'll, we'll, we'll get into it. Should be. So if, if there's any people out there where who you follow or that you've seen that are these kind of, social vigilantes that these do gooders orders please send in to lads anon pod at gmail.com and we will include your stories.

01:14:25:11 – 01:14:59:11
And yeah, we're going to be moving over to dilemmas right now. Oh, just just tired. And you got an issue for a tissue. You're a bit sad cause pain will be aching in your soul, alone in your flat. Please talk to Ricky and Flanagan. Let that stress off your chest, well, friend, you deserve it. Then. Like you're safe here to get nice warm between breaking and.

01:14:59:13 – 01:15:02:03

01:15:02:05 – 01:15:28:15
Forbidden love. I'm a guy who works for a large firm. I'm an associate who works under a few seniors, all of whom are married women. Two months ago, one of my seniors texted me at 11 p.m. to ask if she could come over. I was very hesitant, but obliged in the end, and an affair started at my apartment that night.

01:15:28:17 – 01:15:56:05
Since then we have been doing this every week, sometimes multiple times throughout the week, even on holidays. It's pathetic. My problem is I'm falling in love with this girl, and I realize how horrible of a person I am for being that person. There is a guy out there having his life ruined because I couldn't say no. She has rules that I can never text or call her.

01:15:56:07 – 01:16:27:10
I know the power dynamic dynamic is fucked and I know I'm just a side piece. I just needed to get this off my chest. It's ruining my life. And being from a very religious family is absolutely no one I can talk to about this without being shamed, fired, or even possibly killed by her husband. No idea where to go from here, but I'm in love with someone I could never truly have, and they have also turned me into a person I'd never wanted to be.

01:16:27:12 – 01:16:58:00
What should I do? That's. That is so sad. Yeah. It's, I think, you know, I think he knows. Well, he needs to. The channel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I knew that. I was second guessing. It just gets to check out more, if possible. Yeah. You said multiple times during the week, I think up the ante every day.

01:16:58:02 – 01:17:24:19
Every day. My. Unfortunately, this there's no, I, I don't know, man. I've never been in a situation, but it feels like there's no good outcome for you here. One that you're going to be completely happy with. You already feel guilty because you're treading on another man's shoes by fucking his wife. And which is good that you feel that way because you shouldn't fuck other people's wives.

01:17:24:21 – 01:17:48:07
It's pretty, you know, generally not a good thing today. But a lot of people kind of make they, a lot of people say, well, it's up to her now. I'm not. I don't know the guy. It's up to her. She wants to do okay to do with me, but I. I'd like to think that, I mean, it would never happen to me now because obviously I'm happily married.

01:17:48:07 – 01:18:08:01
And, you know, I don't even think about anything like that now. But I'd like to think that when I was single, that if I knew the person I was going to be with, even if it was just a one night stand, didn't have a boyfriend. But I never asked either. During that time, I just went about assuming that they didn't.

01:18:08:01 – 01:18:28:10
She? Yeah, because I guess I didn't want to know the answer, but if I did, then I probably wouldn't do that. And, you know, it's good that you feel guilty. I think it's sort of like when you saying like back then as well. Number one, you'd assume. Number two, you just don't feel and you just like. Yes.

01:18:28:15 – 01:18:49:19
To just get to the last question, this is not the kind of thing like, oh, before we do this, you have a boyfriend. You can say that you can't bring up. All right. Nice. I think it needs to cut it off, man. You need you need to if you do. Yeah. And like the key takeaway here, when you said, she's turned into a man I don't want to be.

01:18:49:19 – 01:19:08:03
That's that's the key take home here. Because you can change that. You can't change what she's doing to her husband, and you can't change, but you can limit the damage that this is going to do. And one thing you can't limit is the fact how bad it's going to feel that you don't get to see her because you love her.

01:19:08:05 – 01:19:32:01
Yeah. It's hard. It's a hard situation. But, you know, this is why you have to listen to your brain at the beginning when it said alarm bells do not do this. Do not do this. Yeah, this is hard times because sex feels good. It does. Especially naughty sex as well that you shouldn't be doing. But yeah, I think not.

01:19:32:04 – 01:19:54:12
The first thing is that you. That kind of made me the alarm bells ringing. If the power dynamic of you're not allowed to ring her, you're not allowed to text her, you're not allowed to, you know, get in contact with, so it you know, you are you are a side piece, as you've said. And if you're falling for her, it's you are a side piece, no matter how much you think about.

01:19:54:12 – 01:20:18:00
And if you do, if you kind of do broach that subject to say, oh, like, come and be with me, then you would knowingly get into a relationship, often a bad start because you she's coming from someone that she's cheated on you, you know, I mean, it could happen to you. Yeah. So it's never a great place to start from, but yeah.

01:20:18:02 – 01:20:41:05
Then the last bit of you saying that you've become a person that even you never wanted to be, which is the main thing, I think you have to cut it off, mate. It's going to be painful and it's going to I don't know how it's going to play out, but for for your sake and probably for hers as well, you're just going to have to in there.

01:20:41:07 – 01:21:14:17
That would be my advice anyway. Same. Best of luck with that. Get get send us an email even after. Yeah celebrate, celebrate. You have set up your place with prostitutes. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure. Yeah. Send us an email. How that when you decide today, give us an update, we're going to jump into something. Only you know why something, you know.

01:21:14:19 – 01:21:38:09
The list made this email address just to send this in. Love. The pod keeps me sane on a Monday. You don't have to do it. I would never cross you up. Would never change your name. Yeah, exactly. Never do that. No, Rick. Yeah, I would know. But I know people that I've sent stuff into. I know I've never even spoke to them about, like, I chat to them and I've never just said, oh, I saw that email you sent.

01:21:38:11 – 01:22:01:21
Not nothing. None of that. But just ignore it. Yeah. Ignore it. I'll keep it short. That would be interested to know your thoughts on my naughty list. What the fuck am I on about? Wow. I have a list of porn star names saved on my phone. Next to each name is a person in my real life that they look like or remind me of.

01:22:01:23 – 01:22:34:10
I can't lie, it's really fucking extensive at this point. No one is safe. If I find you fair, I'll find someone that looks like you or captures your energy. It ranges from sexy senior managers at work to exes. Friends of my girlfriend, my friends, girlfriends, neighbors, and even a teacher at my school. Tell you what though, if this list ever got leaked, I'd be really ashamed and I'd have to grow a beard and go work offshore.

01:22:34:12 – 01:22:55:20
But despite this, I'm well proud of my list. Luckily for me, it's something only I know. Who is it is. I'm not one out. If I if he has an interaction, he'll then go home and just not one answer that pulls off. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. He'll align a porn star with that person and then just, smash one out, I think.

01:22:55:23 – 01:23:08:11
I mean, if that list ever got out, like if your Macy's was ever looking for your phone and tried to talk about that one. Yeah, yeah.

01:23:08:13 – 01:23:41:13
Especially if it's her mates and your mates, your mates, wives or whatever. That's fucking mad. But, like, I've, you know, in, I think this in friends where they have a cheat list, Ross has a laminated list and he has five people that he's allowed to sleep with if he ever. Five celebrities if we ever bumped into. Yeah, I like I often I mean I don't have that list, but there's a list in my mind that I'm like, yeah, I, I, cheat on my missus for that.

01:23:41:13 – 01:24:01:20
So, you know, egg. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She she would know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's on this list? I can't, you know. Well, I mean, one of them is you've got to, I think with this list, it's got to be someone that's, let's say, not attainable, but, like, not Hollywood. You can't go Hollywood. Yeah. You know, it's like I'll be someone that is.

01:24:01:21 – 01:24:21:22
It's not like I can make it Italian, is it? Yeah. No, it's, First one. Sky sports presenter Hayley McQueen. I love that Hayley McQueen. No, I didn't, I didn't, Alex did. Oh, I thought it was this. That would have been trouble if I. If I met her. Because I would have had to have she, she would have had to cheat on her partner as well.

01:24:22:00 – 01:24:41:15
We both have to leave our families. Look at a picture of what is it about that does it for you? I don't know. Is it the big old bangers? Yeah. I didn't want to say it, but there are some. What's right. There are some absolute wack dogs. But, Didn't you didn't you tweet? Once was.

01:24:41:16 – 01:25:06:01
Yeah, I did, and then she replied and told you. She said she told you. Oh no, no, no, she blocked me. She blocked me. What did by the bangers. This is going back on Twitter. What about the bad news? This is ten years ago. This is I mean, it's over ten years ago. And this is when the, you know, the fighting cock was very,

01:25:06:03 – 01:25:32:02
Yeah, we were just. Yeah, very young. Social media was very new and that I did tweet, I think she, she mentioned something about the dress and I mentioned something about the bangers. And obviously looking back is fucking horrendous thing to have said. And she broke me. But then because I mentioned it on the podcast, loads of people started adding her and saying, please unblock my friend Ricky and they were not ready.

01:25:32:04 – 01:25:51:04
So then she unblocked me and just put play nicely and that's and she had blocked me. So we're friends now. Say, you know, I'm glad you brought that up. I've ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha No no. Hahahahahahaha!

01:25:51:06 – 01:26:17:15
That's amazing. Fuck. You know, next week we're going to be talking about auditors, do gooders, whatever you want to call them. The people that try and be social vigilantes are. They wear GoPros and they try and film plays to catch them out because they know the law better. You got anything you want to share or know any of them or an account to follow?

01:26:17:17 – 01:26:35:21
Send in to lad's anon pod at gmail.com and flag. And I wish you a very Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas everybody.

01:26:35:23 – 01:26:59:13
Adam night hazy like Band of brothers playing tunes. Highs quiet. Midnight waves. Surfing through till daylight breaks. Rhythm. Here's different ways. Love of music. We prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band as I we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Brothers.