#167 | The Transformers Movie | You’ve Got The Trauma

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Ricky: This morning, right? With the kids. And they are teenagers now. They normally, they they get a bus to school.

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Ricky: And they've got to get the bus at half past seven. And I used to get everyone up. for an hour. and then i used to take them to the like so i'm up an hour early

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

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Ricky: Wake them up. So they've got an hour to kind of get ready, do whatever they want. And then at 730, we'd walk out the door. And I'd walk them. 10 minutes, 12 minutes to the bus stop.

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Ricky: and we've been you know it's been going really well And we we were able to do it fine. It was a rush, but we were… able to do it. and it's got to like my youngest is now 13 eldest is going to be 15 on monday or tuesday Um…

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Ricky: I said Monday or Tuesday then because I i don't know which day is the 22nd. I've not looked. I know it's going to be one of those days, I think.

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Big Jon Bass: Good Tuesday.

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Ricky: yeah

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Big Jon Bass: Cheers to you.

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Ricky: No, I don't know when her birthday is. I just didn't know when the 22nd was.

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Big Jon Bass: It's Monday or Tuesday, something like that.

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Ricky: yeah i just keep saying happy birthday every day next week until she's like oh yeah it's my birthday

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Big Jon Bass: Next week. Birthday's next week. Yeah. Cheers, yeah.

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Ricky: But like since being teens. And since this summer… They just don't get up. and ah And the thing is, because they're teens and like when we were teens. You just want to stay up as late as possible, even if it's a school night.

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Ricky: And it's kind of like getting them ready. and they' they'll kind of get ready and get down for maybe 10 o 'clock ish. but then waking them up. is a nightmare.

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Ricky: And this year. or this term. I can't get ready for 7 .30. To get out the door. Um… And their bus comes at 7 .42.

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Ricky: And then there's another bus. which is further down a couple of estates along because it's going around the estates to pick them up. So if I get them to a certain point at eight o 'clock in the morning.

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Ricky: then… I'm golden. But yeah, I'm still like. I still get really annoyed that I have to get in my car every morning and drive them a couple of estates over.

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Ricky: because they're not not getting out. And today… Like most mornings, like it's by the skin of our teeth. like I can see the bus in my rearview mirror as I'm dropping them and it's like, fucking hell, it's such a rush.

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Ricky: But this morning was… You know one of those mornings where… Like with kids. it was just pandemonium because The youngest one. has used the oldest one's toothbrush.

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Ricky: And she spotted her and she's like, that's disgusting. She starts crying. Like, what am I going to do now? How am I going to brush my teeth? And I'm like, chill out. ever Can everyone just chill out? And then I get a, we've got like loads of toothbrushes.

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Ricky: uh so i'll just give her a new one i'm like like just fucking use that you'll you'll be sound And then I'm downstairs and I'm saying, girls, we really need to move. The other one… The youngest one is in the oldest one's bedroom.

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Ricky: using her full length mirror. She's got one in her own bedroom. So it's like, yeah, I might like the crossover of using makeup. Toothbrush And… They're arguing in the bathroom.

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Ricky: We've got two bathrooms upstairs. Like, fucking, they're both in the same, use that fucking other one, mate. Why are you kicking off? And it's just… oh my god it's so like and This is going to happen until…

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Ricky: Like at least 17 when they can drive.

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Big Jon Bass: Oh yeah. At least.

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Ricky: and then And then even then it's going to be fucking forever.

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Big Jon Bass: At least.

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah. She stole my car. What?

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: She's using my car. ah That's mental.

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Ricky: okay

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Big Jon Bass: There's two cars. You've got one each.

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Ricky: yeah ah ah ah It will be like that, but it's always like the.

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Big Jon Bass: what what are you doing

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Ricky: um When I was a kid… I would be definitely winding my sister up. Right.

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Big Jon Bass: Oh for sure.

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Ricky: And I would just go out of my way. to… do stupid things knowing full well that like we'll have an argument or something like that And then my mum would be like, right.

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Ricky: it's done and dusted it's over and i'm like all right sweet sweet and then as i kind of go out the room Just a little shoulder bar just to reignite it when mum didn't see or as I'm walking out. treading her foot on purpose.

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Ricky: as a lasting kind of like

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah that's a good one.

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Ricky: After some of that. Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: That's a good one.

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Ricky: Did you… Did you um did you get any… With your… You've got brothers, haven't you?

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Big Jon Bass: I've got two older brothers and a younger sister. So I definitely.

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Ricky: The younger sister? i I never remember the younger sister.

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah. So i I also would… quite enjoyed winding her up. It was quite funny. Although, I remember being… when I was younger. because my sister is like by far the youngest. so My older brother Alex is like… 10 years older than me.

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Big Jon Bass: And then.

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Ricky: Fuck.

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Big Jon Bass: the yeah and then ollie is like halfway between us and then my younger sister is five years younger than me. So… When… When we were growing up, she was like…

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Big Jon Bass: the untouchable golden child the only girl

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Ricky: ah

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Big Jon Bass: Like, and young, yeah, fucking rat.

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Ricky: Bitch. Yeah, yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: So… So I would like. trip her over and she'd like fucking accidentally hit her head. And I was like, obviously he wasn't trying to do it. And my dad would go fucking Asian, go mental. he would feeling and And it would literally be like, I'd be so terrified thinking.

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Big Jon Bass: Like he's just going to. like going mental like my my old man was like Very, um… Well, these days he like resembles like Mick Jagger quite a lot. but like more frail, more old and more frail than Mick Jagger right now.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: But back then, like… Just dad strength, isn't it? They were just like… they were solid and they were hard.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: And, like, he wasn't really a… Like… Uh, Good night. what's it called corporal punishment he wasn't like uh right i get the belt off like here we go this is going to be bad for you he was more like push you right to the limit of like this is going to happen and like on one occasion he'd like did give me like a bit of a spanking and i was like oh shit so but it worked because after that i was always like okay when he starts raising his voice i've got to pack it in

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Ricky: right Yeah.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: um But yeah, I always used to just like, always used to like wind my sister up and like really annoy her. And it's probably one of many reasons why we're not like super close now. She's probably just thought I was the right dickhead and it's completely fair enough. But my brothers used to do the same thing to me. I don't know if I ever told you boys about my older brother, Alex.

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Big Jon Bass: Because he was the oldest, light I really looked up to him and I really wanted to be like him.

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Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: And so once he told me like, oh, Johnny, I've got a secret to tell you. And I was like, all right, yeah, go on, what is it? And he's like, I'm actually a vampire. And I was like, all right. And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was only like seven or eight. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm actually a vampire. and um i think you should be one as well i was like um Don't know. And he's like, no, it's easy. All you've got to do is drink this pint of vinegar.

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Big Jon Bass: And then you can be a vampire like me, but equality, we can just do whatever we want.

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Ricky: Heh.

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Big Jon Bass: I was like, that's wicked, yeah, all right. So. I'm just… ah trying to show this pint of vinegar. And then my my dad comes in like, what are you doing? And I'm like, oh, nothing, nothing.

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Big Jon Bass: And then Alex is absolutely cracking up. My dad's like, what are you doing? He's like, he's going to be a vampire like me. doesn't know what you're on about. He's like, yeah, he's got to drink his pint of vinegar. Oh, yeah, it was mental. And my dad went mental with my older brother.

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Big Jon Bass: So, you know, the cycle of life continues, right?

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Ricky: ah ah Fucking hell, a pint of vinegar, that is rough, man.

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Big Jon Bass: mate it was savage and i remember i remember it and it took me a long time to get back into vinegar on like fish and chips so you know like when you go oh do you want salt vinegar with that no vinegar mate i'm not a vampire fuck

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Ricky: ah ah

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Big Jon Bass: Um, But I don't mind it now. But yeah, for a long time, malt vinegar. like you know proper like fish and chip shop vinegar that

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: used to the even the smell of it mate because it yeah i was very ill after drinking a pint of it i finished most of it

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Ricky: do Do you have any good now? or

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah, I'm alright with it now. It's only taken like 30 years to recover. But yeah, if for a long time, mate, I thought it was butters. But I also used to tell people…

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Big Jon Bass: I ate too much cheese once being a greedy pig. So I went into the kitchen, I ate a load of cheese, like half a block of cheese to like myself because I was like, oh, this is delicious. It made me really ill. I got like this the shits and I was like being sick. And so after that, I just told everyone I was allergic to cheese. So you could go round to your mates. His mum's like whipping up a spag bol. She's like, do you want cheese? I'm like, oh, no, I can't. I'm allergic.

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Big Jon Bass: wasn't allergic and then when i got older And I was like, I fancy a bit of cheese. I just had some cheese. And then like my girlfriend at the time was like, I thought you were allergic. And I was like. Yeah, no, I just made all that up to be honest.

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Ricky: Kind of, but no.

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Big Jon Bass: What's up? I'm not really allergic in what sense, as in allergic to it, no. um and But I did make it up that I was allergic, yeah, so it was a complete lie. um And then I realized that I was just lying for no reason and actually loved cheese.

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Big Jon Bass: So I just now eat cheese all the time.

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Ricky: yeah Yeah, cheese is ream.

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Big Jon Bass: it's quality imagine to imagine like something you really love you just went a bit wild once i mean it's a bit like it's a bit like drugs isn't it it's like imagine oh no i'm allergic to drugs I can't enjoy that anymore.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: Or like smoking or drinking or anything.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: You're like, just do it. It goes bad once. Yeah, I'm allergic to alcohol, actually.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: I can't drink anymore. do you know what I mean anything like that you can't So and that's what I did. I sacrificed like years of eating cheese like a moron.

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Ricky: Oh, mate. That's fucking nightmare. Right. I want to get into. today's topic. So I'm going to do the theme tune because. Wow. you know. You're all going to hear it anyway.

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Ricky: Hello and welcome to Lads Anonymous, it's episode 167. I'm Ricky. He's John. Two exceptionally great mates. One main topic. We answer your life dilemmas and confessions in our future. something only you know, and everything remains anonymous always. So sit back.

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Ricky: relax and enjoy the pod. Now John, I've been doing… i mean it's 167 episodes i can't remember how long i've i've done that intro

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

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Ricky: Bye. I honestly don't think I could do it off the top of my head.

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Big Jon Bass: I mean, why not?

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Ricky: Because I'm just… I just look at it and I just know I have to read it. But if like Flav tries to make me do it sometimes without reading it, I just can't do it.

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Big Jon Bass: i can't I have to write a four-digit pin number down.

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Ricky: ah

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Big Jon Bass: I can't remember it. And so then, like, I actually now… I just change it to a certain thing so it's the same for everything, which is like the opposite of what you're supposed to do for security reasons.

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Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: um And it's the same with my passwords. They're all the same. They're all the same.

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Ricky: It's just all your date of birth.

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah, and then people… And people were like, oh, but why don't you just use like one of these password things where you put all your like passwords into one place?

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Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: And I'm like, yeah, because I'll forget the password to get back into that, won't I?

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Ricky: ah And then you've lost like 30 passwords.

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Big Jon Bass: So it was pointless. Yeah. Whereas like, I'd rather just keep them all the same.

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Ricky: You're fucked.

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Big Jon Bass: And then the hackers go, oh, we've got in, brilliant. And I go, well, it won't be stupid enough to make it the same for all this other stuff. So well we'll leave that and just, we're we're happy with this one bank account. But no. Now, if you listen to this, hackers, just go for your life.

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Ricky: My ah daughter gave me a tablet the other day and she was like, Dad. um this app ain't working can you update or or can you do something i was like yeah sure um and it's like tapping away and stuff like and i was like oh it's updating she goes do you not need my password i was like no right and she's like well how did you get into it i've i've got a password on there it's like date of birth and she was like

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Ricky: oh right did you know that I was like well It's the most common thing that every idiot writes down as their password. ah like like Loads of mine, i even like to this day, loads of mine, like especially digit ones, just fucking, ah I shouldn't really say that, but I'll have to.

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Big Jon Bass: But just…

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah mate.

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Ricky: Beat that out. I'm fucked.

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Big Jon Bass: Fuck.

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Ricky: Actually, to to tell you the truth, I don't actually use my date of birth.

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Big Jon Bass: Hackers will listen to this.

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Ricky: there's a ah person in my life from years ago that i use that and because i've used that from then on in Ace. it's that so it'd be hard to hard to guess mine anyway

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Big Jon Bass: yeah my my password is basically the first time i went to like big school when I was younger.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: It was like. The first IT lessons, like using computers, it was like, right, you need to come up with a password.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: That's the same password I use for everything now.

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Ricky: ah

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Big Jon Bass: Literally the same. I've just had to add like extra digits and like other characters to it, but it's the same it's the same core muscle head. For 30 years, oh well.

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Ricky: Eh. ah I wonder how many people actually do that.

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Big Jon Bass: mad.

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Ricky: Like most people, I would say. have used the same password and have a variation of said password now i know my My missus. Her sister.

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Ricky: And the mum. all have the same password, but a variation of it as well.

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Big Jon Bass: Hmm.

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Ricky: It's fucking mental.

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Big Jon Bass: Wild.

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Ricky: Like, I think it's done from, like, when the mutt, when… ah Their mum. maybe logged them into something and then they were both sharing and then they've gone their separate ways but use that password and then put a one on the end and it's just carried on like everyone uses that password in the family fucking mental

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Big Jon Bass: And then earn it. Menzo.

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Ricky: Right. Uh… There is no… So we normally have a feature. And the feature is. called Don't Listen. and people sending in voice notes.

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Ricky: whereby Flav and I. Don't listen. To the voice note. And we just. Play it. We hope. That. there isn't anything you know racist homophobic any of that stuff and that they just enjoy the show. They want to get their voice on here.

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Ricky: And. Then we play it. but we haven't had a submission this week. So if that is your cue.

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Big Jon Bass: Nine times.

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Ricky: To send something in to lads anon. pod at gmail .com and of course as always We will play it for you. Um,

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Ricky: I just want to get straight into, actually, before i we do go into the show. I wish i should mention that Flav isn't here.

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

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Ricky: ah absolute wanker. It's blobbed us off.

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

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Ricky: ah decided to do. actual paid work. to pay for his mortgage. Fucking cheek of it.

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Big Jon Bass: disgust ma disgust

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Ricky: Std. John and I up. and he's in london so And the thing is as well, right? Any other time where he's gone to do. actual paid work.

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Ricky: he'd He'd do it and we'd just… I'd be doing a… you know a pod on something else and he'd be fine but i know that sitting and chatting about Transformers. he would have been like, oh, fuck, that would have been a fucking… naughty episode to be part of.

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah, it's goingnna it's going to eat him up for several weeks. i mean

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Ricky: Good.

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Big Jon Bass: yeah i hope that there's a point where he listens to this and he gets to this point, right?

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: And I just want to go on record to say, like, you've completely… Let yourself down here.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: Um, you know, just just when Autobot City on Earth is under attack, where are you?

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Ricky: Hey. Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: Where are you me and Ricky there?

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: We're there. Defending our honour, where are you mate?

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Ricky: 10 toes.

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Big Jon Bass: Fucking nowhere.

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Ricky: He's doing a quiz in London.

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Big Jon Bass: So pathetic!

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Ricky: Fucking shit, mate.

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Big Jon Bass: Shit, mate. You've got to think. When you when you're weigh weighing up these decisions, do I want to… you know, get paid. look after my family, pay my mortgage, take my responsibilities, right?

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Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: or Do I want to look after my friends?

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: right think about what optimus prime would do Because I'll tell you what he wouldn't be doing.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: He wouldn't be doing a fucking quiz in London.

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Ricky: Nah, he wouldn't, yeah, yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: He'd be here, mate.

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Ricky: He wouldn't be chasing after the money. He'd be protecting.

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Big Jon Bass: No, chasing the Yankee dollar. He'd be here with us.

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Ricky: ah I hope he does hear all of this. This is brilliant.

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah. Yeah.

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Ricky: ah I think everyone knows that the… topic for today is The Transformers. the movie. The 1986.

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Ricky: Original. animation version. that john and i are going to be speaking about now the reason why we are speaking about it is because it's the 40th anniversary since its release.

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Ricky: And. To celebrate that, they have been… on in selected cinemas, mainly in America and the UK. I don't know where else it's doing it, but they are showing special screenings of the film for a week long to celebrate. it's that They've called it an apology tour.

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Ricky: And the apology tool is because. the main character. in the film. dies. We will get into that. and ah i just want to mention as well that if anyone hasn't seen transformers the movie the one the version that we're talking about I…

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Ricky: It's hard for me to say this, but I probably wouldn't listen to the rest of the pod because we're going to ruin everything, fin right?

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah, spoilers.

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Ricky: ah

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Big Jon Bass: mean you've You've already dropped the biggest spoiler of all.

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Ricky: Yeah, exactly.

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Big Jon Bass: Excellent.

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Ricky: yeah

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Big Jon Bass: It was released in 1986. If you haven't got around to watching it, what where have you been?

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Ricky: Yeah. Yeah, you've had time.

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Big Jon Bass: if that's okay loads of time.

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Ricky: You've had a lot of time. but but yeah we are going to be going through um every detail of that film anyway And. I was fortunate enough.

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Ricky: to yesterday was the first day i think the was the first day that it it went into cinemas. And luckily, my cousin… bought us a pair of tickets. So I went to watch it.

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Ricky: I'll go through that. Later on. But… I do want to get straight into it. so Yeah original generation one animated transformer series follows two rival groups of giant robots who leave their ruined world of Cybertron and bring their ancient war to Earth.

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Ricky: A long civil war drains the planet of vital energy. the autobots and the evil Decepticons. build starships to search space for new power sources.

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Ricky: So… That was the original kind of cartoon that went out in the 80s. autobots good guys decepticon bad guys and they are trying to get back to their world.

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Ricky: and they can't they need to find energy and then they're just warring on earth What was your… What was your impression of… Transformers.

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Ricky: before the film.

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Big Jon Bass: So the film came out in 1986 and I was born in 1985.

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Ricky: Fuck! Fuck!

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Big Jon Bass: Yeah. So I All right. kind of stumbled across Transformers the movie in… probably like a slightly different way to other people who were already fans of like the series and then it was like oh now there's a movie so we can like go and watch it

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Ricky: Mmm.

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Big Jon Bass: I basically, when I was a kid… In my house, we had this massive, I don't even know what you'd call it, but basically like a big box. It had like a marble top, and then you you could pull the front of it down, and the whole thing was filled with VHS.

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Big Jon Bass: like videos

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Ricky: Oh, right. ya Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: And we add, like, everything in there. like films that my old man had recorded off the telly that just had like handwritten like home alone whatever

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Ricky: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, standard, yes.

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Big Jon Bass: And then we had like nice copies of like um Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.

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Ricky: Nice.

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Big Jon Bass: right stuff like that and top gun and like in the proper covers and so like one like one afternoon and this is the thing because i was so young i must have been like maybe like five six Maximum 7, the first time I saw it.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Big Jon Bass: right It was already old. then.

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah

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Big Jon Bass: But… But by this time… It's like in the world. It's like an established brand so like I remember the toys I remember people talking about it, but I'd never seen the cartoon series, ever. Like, not a second of it before I'd seen the movie.

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Ricky: Yeah.

00:20:22.54
Big Jon Bass: So I picked this movie up and the front cover is absolutely sick of the original VHS.

00:20:27.14
Ricky: Yeah.

00:20:27.74
Big Jon Bass: It looks amazing.

00:20:28.38
Ricky: Yeah.

00:20:29.08
Big Jon Bass: It's like planets and robots and flying and lasers and fighting and just geese.

00:20:31.36
Ricky: Yeah.

00:20:33.52
Big Jon Bass: And I'm like, this is this is quality. So I'm like, right, I'm going to watch this, obviously. And so the first time I ever saw anything to do with it was this movie, which as we… go on and talk about how insane that must have been having basically no context

00:20:49.14
Ricky: Yeah!

00:20:49.87
Big Jon Bass: What was amazing about this is that they did a great job of basically like summing up enough so that you felt like you're joining. the start of a story but they provide you enough context that you are joining in the middle, essentially, of a story.

00:20:59.47
Ricky: Yeah.

00:21:04.15
Ricky: Right.

00:21:04.63
Big Jon Bass: um So, yeah, i had I had no concept, mate, going in other than I knew. Like… you know out in the ether who the goodies are and who the baddies are and again it's pretty it's pretty clear being a sort of 80s movie like goodies and baddies right it's very like black and white like that

00:21:19.23
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

00:21:22.16
Big Jon Bass: um So yeah, I had sort of no preconceived ideas of what Transformers was until I saw the movie.

00:21:28.72
Ricky: I find that wild. And since speaking to both you and Flav. And you both said, oh, like, we just watched a film. I didn't watch Cars. And I was like, what?

00:21:39.92
Ricky: like how is that even possible and it's just like well we didn't we and and you love the film as much as you do

00:21:41.99
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:21:47.15
Ricky: Which I find amazing, but… When I was younger, I didn't work, ah unfortunately, so I would have been four. when it hit the cinemas. ah So I was too young.

00:21:59.65
Ricky: I mean, geez. Do you take four year olds to cinemas? I think I probably took my kids when they were younger, but four seems a bit young. 00:22:06.100 Big Jon Bass It does seem young, but it was the 80s.

00:22:08.39
Ricky: Yeah, and it is Transformers, so maybe, yeah.

00:22:10.98
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:22:11.54
Ricky: They probably went on their own in the 80s.

00:22:13.22
Big Jon Bass: stuff Yeah. Took a cab. Just drop them outside the Odeon, don't worry.

00:22:17.46
Ricky: Yeah. ah But. Yeah, so I… Loved the original series. And I would wake up early morning.

00:22:28.33
Ricky: Every Saturday morning. And I would go and… watch Transformers cartoon in the morning. And at that time. Now I don't know if this were this so this probably because I remember it I would I would assume It's post the movie time.

00:22:45.81
Ricky: But I had a Transformers lampshade. Transformers curtains. Transformers duvet. and transformers pyjamas And I'd go downstairs Saturday morning and I'd watch a show called the DJ cat show.

00:23:01.71
Ricky: ah Do you remember DJ Cat Show?

00:23:03.61
Big Jon Bass: No.

00:23:03.80
Ricky: Fuck, okay. um And it it would just like play cartoons and then someone would ring up. and they would do a A game. on the telly and you would be like voicing where to go and stuff like that Fucking hell, I'm well old. But when Transformers started, I was so… kind of…

00:23:26.75
Ricky: I just didn't want to miss a single minute. So what I would do is I'd get up extra early and watch the cartoon. before Transformers. So I didn't miss the beginning or anything.

00:23:37.26
Ricky: And it was a program. a cartoon called uh jason and the wheeled warriors And Jason and the Willed Warriors was fucking… Horrendous. It was so shit. It was like these half plant.

00:23:51.38
Ricky: half machine type. robots warring in space and I hated it, man. And the guy, I think the main guy, Jason, was always the part of the story. was He was always trying to find his dad.

00:24:04.59
Ricky: And it would always end of. Jason walking into a room and his dad like leaving the fire exit. And they were just that close. so for If his dad would have waited for two seconds, they would have bumped into each other.

00:24:16.18
Big Jon Bass: you man

00:24:16.58
Ricky: But anyway, it was fucking shit. And then… The Transformers theme tune would come on and I'd be like, oh my God. What's going to happen this week? Like, honestly, it was so good. And then…

00:24:29.44
Ricky: I don't know how I… I don't remember. As I was saying, I don't remember… seeing so it might it most definitely would have been post film.

00:24:43.21
Ricky: But I don't remember seeing It advertised in the cinema. I don't remember, you know, wanting to go and watch it or anything like that. The first time I remember seeing the transform Transformers the movie was in our local corner shop, M and &W's.

00:24:56.85
Ricky: there was the display of videos at the back. and transformers was there And every week I would beg my mum to rent the video over and over and over again. And I remember being… utterly crushed going there and going to the same spot It's just fucking not there.

00:25:16.02
Ricky: I was like, what fucking cunt has got this?

00:25:16.96
Big Jon Bass: Devastating

00:25:19.72
Ricky: who's fucking got my video this is a nightmare but um yeah So that is my earliest memory of… So that's. The Transformers and… the movie.

00:25:31.52
Ricky: And then… Post. The movie. the cartoons. Continued. So when you watch the film. Did you go back to to find any of the cartoons?

00:25:43.01
Ricky: in the in the tv series like four or after

00:25:46.33
Big Jon Bass: So I have… um I have never watched an na episode of Transformers.

00:25:51.12
Ricky: Oh my fucking god! to

00:25:53.66
Big Jon Bass: All right. Honestly.

00:25:54.51
Ricky: Jesus!

00:25:55.39
Big Jon Bass: Honestly, mate, it's so mental. I mean, i might have it might have been on. Like I might have noticed it, but I just kind of felt like. Like if they now were like, oh, we're going to make. uh Well… I'll tell you what, it's like the Sopranos movie, that all…

00:26:09.53
Big Jon Bass: Saints whatever it was called

00:26:10.60
Ricky: Yeah, yeah. or saint and many Many saints are new, of course, I mean.

00:26:11.05
Big Jon Bass: i'll never watch it i'll never watch it Yeah, I'll never watch it

00:26:14.89
Ricky: No.

00:26:15.12
Big Jon Bass: Because, because I'm like, it's not. It's not going to be. proper. because I've already seen the best version of this story.

00:26:19.73
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah Yeah, yeah.

00:26:23.13
Big Jon Bass: so this other stuff because again you've got to remember like i had no I just like one day popped in. Godfather Part 2, right? I didn't know it.

00:26:31.60
Ricky: Right

00:26:31.71
Big Jon Bass: But i just I just stumbled across the best film I'd ever seen. So I was like, well, anything related to this is not going to be as good and therefore is annoying. So it might have been that the cartoon was on and I might have been like, oh, yes, Transformers. And obviously it was like a…

00:26:43.59
Big Jon Bass: cultural thing like the toys were everywhere

00:26:45.64
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah

00:26:46.15
Big Jon Bass: And I remember always… but In my mind, when I was like… playing with the toys. I'm i'm in the film. I'm thinking about the film

00:26:52.85
Ricky: Right.

00:26:53.55
Big Jon Bass: So to this to this day, I've never… I've never watched a full episode of Transformers that I can remember. like Maybe it was on when I was a kid.

00:27:00.73
Ricky: shit

00:27:01.82
Big Jon Bass: Yeah. But this is what I mean. This is my… This is my devotion to this film.

00:27:06.48
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah

00:27:07.48
Big Jon Bass: And what I realized is I've done this a few times. I've also… When I was a kid, I watched Terminator 2 before I'd seen Terminator. Now I have subsequently watched Terminator. But I watched Terminator 2 just cold.

00:27:19.19
Big Jon Bass: And I was like, this is sick, because again.

00:27:19.11
Ricky: Yeah.

00:27:21.34
Big Jon Bass: just set up the the film. like completely fine and i didn't have to worry about that. And I also watched Aliens. before I'd watched Alien. and I prefer both of those two.

00:27:30.97
Ricky: Right.

00:27:32.92
Big Jon Bass: because I just was like, we're starting in the middle of the story and that seems like better.

00:27:35.96
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

00:27:37.48
Big Jon Bass: And that's kind of what Transformers the movie is. It's like starts in the middle of the story, but it's like the…

00:27:41.40
Ricky: Yeah.

00:27:42.12
Big Jon Bass: It's the best bit of the story. And so I just love that the most.

00:27:44.31
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah, I get it now actually.

00:27:48.49
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:27:49.11
Ricky: Because it is, because it, like… Obviously, we're going to go into the the main film. but you can't You can't top what you've just watched in that film.

00:27:58.03
Big Jon Bass: It's the best. It's the best of all parts of of of any movie making.

00:28:03.92
Ricky: Yeah.

00:28:04.47
Big Jon Bass: that they've incorporated into this and they've broken a lot of rules as well.

00:28:07.94
Ricky: Yeah, yeah.

00:28:08.41
Big Jon Bass: which is why it's just so incredible as a standalone piece of art. It's so amazing.

00:28:13.72
Ricky: I have to ask, and like as anyone would ask.

00:28:16.39
Big Jon Bass: Hmm.

00:28:17.82
Ricky: And… For years, I've always sided with one side. Like if I was to say to you. Would you rather be an Autobot or a Decepticon for me?

00:28:29.30
Ricky: It's always been, it's so you know always want to be in a robot. You always want to be the good guys. You always want to be. on the the winning team, really. And.

00:28:40.15
Ricky: I sat there. the other day. And I was thinking… Being good. All the time. like the they or The Autobots wouldn't drink.

00:28:50.67
Ricky: They wouldn't smoke. They wouldn't get rowdy. They wouldn't like fucking… Just be. dicks or anything like that, it would be. So I was thinking, do you know what?

00:29:01.45
Ricky: I think it'd be quite banter to be a Decepticon. Because they're just ourselves and it'd just be funny.

00:29:06.83
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:29:07.30
Ricky: So I have kind of changed my tune about the Decepticons, you know. I don't know if I'd actually be fully fledged purple Decepticon, but… What? Did you have a preferred like, because like in the film Megatron.

00:29:22.42
Ricky: and Galvatron. They are fucking bad, bad men. So it's like, who do you want to…

00:29:29.33
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, I'm the same as you, mate. When I was a kid, and I think all kids, you gravitate towards the the goodies, right? The autobots. And there's there's so much… uh embodiment of goodness and like moral compass in like optimus prime particularly but like the the autobots in general are definitely the goodies so when you're younger that's what you're looking for and that that makes sense right kids want the goodies to win and and that

00:29:43.03
Ricky: Hmm.

00:29:53.11
Big Jon Bass: kind of continues but as you get older you I mentioned like… The Sopranos All the characters are bad in that. right But you you kind of get some enjoyment out of their…

00:30:04.09
Big Jon Bass: Badness. All right.

00:30:05.09
Ricky: Yeah.

00:30:05.39
Big Jon Bass: And you understand the like more. the difficult and different sides of people's personalities a bit more interesting than the good characters i think it's also in goodfellas when he's talking about robert de niro's character and he's like he's the sort of guy that would root for the baddies in movies and when i was younger i was like yeah because he's a psychopath whereas now i'm like yeah that's me I like i love the baddies.

00:30:21.44
Ricky: yeah yeah yeah

00:30:26.34
Ricky: Oh, man.

00:30:26.29
Big Jon Bass: That's wicked. And, like, the Decepticons definitely geez. Like, they're having more of a laugh. They're getting up to mischief. They're doing lines of Energon. you know, in the toilet.

00:30:34.60
Ricky: Yeah.

00:30:36.82
Big Jon Bass: They're just geese, aren't they? And also, you know, like. Like an all good. uh films that's got like a ah baddie ah You need… you need a level of like charisma.

00:30:48.31
Big Jon Bass: to be a baddie.

00:30:48.25
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah.

00:30:50.09
Big Jon Bass: And. They've got a few. in the decepticons that are really laying down some serious charisma and so i yeah i'm quite

00:30:52.77
Ricky: Yeah.

00:30:58.43
Big Jon Bass: Also the color. The colours that they've got, like the purples and the greens and the blacks, just look sick.

00:31:00.98
Ricky: Yeah.

00:31:03.66
Big Jon Bass: I'm just like, yes, that is quality.

00:31:03.71
Ricky: Yeah.

00:31:05.88
Big Jon Bass: Such a good vibe.

00:31:06.85
Ricky: Yes.

00:31:06.84
Big Jon Bass: And also they' just they've got some great one-liners in this movie. that come from the Decepticons.

00:31:12.43
Ricky: Yeah.

00:31:13.07
Big Jon Bass: and the autobots feel a little bit like a bit cringe you know like they call them like deceptive creeps and you're like oh so wet

00:31:18.19
Ricky: Yeah. ah

00:31:20.87
Big Jon Bass: So wet.

00:31:22.12
Ricky: Yeah, Autobots are a bit vanilla, aren't they?

00:31:22.52
Big Jon Bass: That's the fun.

00:31:24.40
Ricky: They're just a bit like, oh, mate.

00:31:24.51
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, they're a bit cringe.

00:31:27.60
Ricky: You do want to be like with the good guys, but they just aren't cool at all.

00:31:31.41
Big Jon Bass: No, they're not. They're a bit naff.

00:31:33.22
Ricky: Yeah they are

00:31:33.77
Big Jon Bass: And. And that's that's the shame because you're just like, it's the gulliness of them that I… that I like in the Decepticons.

00:31:40.28
Ricky: Yeah.

00:31:41.52
Big Jon Bass: I mean, I was messaging you like like ah yesterday when I was re-watching the film. And there's this one bit where like Megatron just blows someone and blows someone's head off and just goes, such heroic nonsense, and just fucking blows his head off.

00:31:54.50
Big Jon Bass: I'm like, that is so Geese. And then on the other side, the Autobots just go, what are they doing, in you deceptive creeps?

00:32:00.43
Ricky: Yeah.

00:32:00.58
Big Jon Bass: This one. All right, good one. ah Just blow your head off, mate.

00:32:04.02
Ricky: ah Um, Talk it to, like, we obviously the cringe fact of the ah the Autobots.

00:32:11.79
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:32:12.27
Ricky: But we've… the the The main guy, and I think who everyone falls in falls in love with. Optimus Prime. Now, as a…

00:32:23.08
Ricky: Leading. figure. in the film and in the cartoons and the many films What is it about? Optimus Prime.

00:32:33.71
Ricky: That everyone is just like, he's the fucking. he's the guy even if the others around him i even find bumblebee a bit cringy he's a bit of a Yeah.

00:32:41.73
Big Jon Bass: Oh yeah. He's a mount. Bumblebee's a mount, mate.

00:32:46.64
Ricky: Look.

00:32:46.44
Big Jon Bass: yeah ah Optimus Prime, he embodies. Like. What? You expect a hero. to be.

00:32:53.98
Ricky: Yeah.

00:32:54.57
Big Jon Bass: it's the stature like he's slightly bigger than everyone

00:32:57.32
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

00:32:57.64
Big Jon Bass: right But not in a bulky way. He's just like like proportionally just bigger than everyone.

00:33:01.71
Ricky: Yeah.

00:33:02.73
Big Jon Bass: He's got the sort of deep. masculine, strong confidence that you want in a leader. He's prepared to make difficult decisions, but he won't ask people to do things he's not prepared to do himself.

00:33:14.70
Ricky: Yeah.

00:33:15.09
Big Jon Bass: He leads by example.

00:33:16.77
Ricky: Yeah.

00:33:17.11
Big Jon Bass: He's a war hero. He's a wise sage. He can comfort people at the right time. He can like be pushy at the right time. He just… always feels like he's one step ahead. He knows how to do things.

00:33:29.74
Big Jon Bass: and that is the sort of antithesis of Megatron right who's like selfish and like mean and nasty and out for himself and not bothered about comforting other people.

00:33:33.53
Ricky: Yeah.

00:33:40.26
Big Jon Bass: And he's prepared to blow people's head off.

00:33:41.63
Ricky: Yeah.

00:33:41.87
Big Jon Bass: Sure. And what I think is really interesting, if you think about… the two opposing characters, right? Optimus Prime is a lorry. He can carry the load.

00:33:52.36
Ricky: and right ah Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:52.59
Big Jon Bass: right people He can you can transport other people. He can take people on a journey. He can make people, he can bring resources. He can like take them where they need to go, right?

00:34:01.91
Ricky: Yeah.

00:34:02.57
Big Jon Bass: Megatron is a gun. Just a big gun.

00:34:04.22
Ricky: Yeah.

00:34:05.14
Big Jon Bass: a big weapon that could just cause damage and pain and suffering. And so if you if you think about it on an artistic level…

00:34:09.37
Ricky: Yeah.

00:34:13.23
Big Jon Bass: It's the perfect good versus evil scenario.

00:34:15.62
Ricky: Yeah.

00:34:16.11
Big Jon Bass: And the symmetry is is really well done. And that's why as a kid… When you're in the state of like, I want the goodies to win. Optimus Prime is is about a good a goodie that you'll ever see and to this day.

00:34:27.17
Big Jon Bass: He feels like a sort of father figure to me.

00:34:27.36
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah, I was about to say, father figure. Leader. Like he was that guy at. He was that one teacher at school that you respected, who was nice to you.

00:34:38.78
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:34:40.65
Ricky: and always believed in you. and kind of taught you right from wrong. I beat you up when you needed it. But, you know. When you fucked around… He did say, come on.

00:34:51.38
Ricky: Like, come on, Rick, let's not only be like, oh, fuck, I've let him down. I didn't want to do that man, I was just having a laugh.

00:34:55.46
Big Jon Bass: yeah

00:34:58.37
Ricky: He's that guy that yeah you you literally want him to be your dad, Optimus Prime.

00:35:02.87
Big Jon Bass: yeah

00:35:03.28
Ricky: He's he's great. and then ah He's like at the the parallels in… There's something else we share a love for, Band of Brothers.

00:35:11.36
Big Jon Bass: oh

00:35:11.80
Ricky: he's that He's like Dick Winters, isn't he?

00:35:13.18
Big Jon Bass: He's Dick Winters, yeah, of course he is.

00:35:13.36
Ricky: Yeah, he is dick winners. So they're just legendary guys, man.

00:35:19.16
Big Jon Bass: Mate, you just sparked something i've never thought I've literally never thought about this until you just said it. But, you know… and we' I guess we'll get to this in a bit, but when Optimus comes like flying in and just starts fucking gubbing off all the Decepticons on that runway, that is literally like when Winters comes up like up off the train tracks and there's just all the Nazis there and he's just like, oh, shit.

00:35:31.06
Ricky: Yeah.

00:35:36.88
Ricky: Yeah. yeah yeah

00:35:38.04
Big Jon Bass: He just guns them all down. It's like that sort of energy where you're like, oh, this guy is the Mac.

00:35:42.91
Ricky: it. Yeah.

00:35:43.45
Big Jon Bass: He is absolutely unleashing it on the baddies.

00:35:46.55
Ricky: Shit, yeah, oh my god, yeah, you're right.

00:35:46.41
Big Jon Bass: This is next level.

00:35:49.91
Big Jon Bass: Mate, you could do a whole dissertation.

00:35:50.47
Ricky: Uh.

00:35:51.62
Big Jon Bass: like Dick Winters as Optimus Prime. The parallels are unrivaled.

00:35:55.59
Ricky: Oh, mate, that's so funny. I hadn't even thought really thought about that before, but they are like this very very similar, aren't they?

00:35:59.96
Big Jon Bass: Hmm.

00:36:02.56
Big Jon Bass: Definitely.

00:36:03.47
Ricky: Bye. um Let's get straight into the film right. So… I'll just read the little premise out. So it's set in a future year, 2005.

00:36:15.86
Big Jon Bass: Yeah. yeah

00:36:18.96
Ricky: Yeah. The film follows the heroic Autobots as they try to defend their home planet and survive a massive…

00:36:18.35
Big Jon Bass: It's okay.

00:36:25.24
Ricky: planet-eating mechanical entity named unicrum So as you're going to see the film, you think you're going to watch a feature length version. of your favorite Saturday morning cartoon, then… literally within half an hour.

00:36:39.23
Ricky: The Autobots, a lot of them, they're all murdered. The main guy, Optimus Prime. He's dead. and half of the good guys are wiped out. And.

00:36:50.29
Ricky: As a kid. It's fucking matt like the example you just gave of ah Megatron. shoots another robot in the head and says such heroic nonsense.

00:37:02.30
Ricky: So within that, I think that's maybe like within like 20 minutes of the fucking film.

00:37:07.01
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:37:09.37
Ricky: That obviously, like there's always like war. in his It's funny, like thinking about it now, but there's war in a kid's cartoon, just showing war in there anyway. But like, these are people's favourite robots.

00:37:23.14
Ricky: And. I don't think I can't remember like to actually kill another robot or kill another person or kill anything. In a cartoon is wild. And within that.

00:37:34.73
Ricky: First opening. scene of Transformers the movie. You… you just see this enormous planet. and you don't know what it is, what it's doing, just kind of drifting through space.

00:37:47.77
Ricky: and it close in on another planet. and then just starts devouring it. right and you're like

00:37:53.69
Big Jon Bass: Just munching it.

00:37:55.40
Ricky: What the fuck is going on? And the the… The robots that are living on this planet are running for their lives. It's kind of like Godzilla. Where. It's just wrecking towns and it's just devouring everything in sight. And they don't know what's happening.

00:38:11.03
Ricky: White's happening. They tried to leave on… ah like spaceships to get away from it. But in the end, this huge mechanical planet called Unicron just eats another planet whole.

00:38:24.62
Ricky: And you were like… now you've got Now you've got my attention.

00:38:26.19
Big Jon Bass: Raw. Yeah.

00:38:28.64
Ricky: so And then it follows to another bit of then. you So you don't know who Unicron is, what Unicron is. you know the it's got him in the film But then you've got the Autobots and the Decepticons and…

00:38:43.12
Ricky: Optimus Prime. is trying to get back to Cybertron and trying to get energy and Megatron's trying to fuck him up as he always is. But then within that point. 00:38:54.100 Ricky Optimus Prime is saying his plan and there's a Decepticon secretly filming their discussions. So Megatron knows exactly what is about to happen and how he's going to take down.

00:39:06.51
Ricky: his old foe Optimus Prime. And. like as i said like within the first 15 20 minutes the the autobots they're just on a nice friendly mission to go to earth try and get some energy and then Megatron and his cronies blast a hole in the side of the spaceship and they start rushing through And to kill these autobots now.

00:39:28.79
Ricky: In the… Original animation, the cartoon, Ironhide and a couple of others. They are staples. They are in literally single every single episode.

00:39:40.71
Ricky: And then the Decepticons come in. shoot them, kill them like at one point one of them gets shot in the chest and like this fire just comes out his mouth and eyes and he's just fucked like

00:39:49.97
Big Jon Bass: That was… eye Yeah, that is gully.

00:39:53.67
Ricky: I lo- I'm like five, six, seven, whatever age. and all the kids around the world are watching it their heroes are getting smoked And like you're just sitting there. It's fucking 20 minutes of in the film.

00:40:08.55
Ricky: absolutely madness and then One of the main ones, I'd probably say he's maybe… Third in command… Ironhide, he's like this.

00:40:20.36
Ricky: Brash. kind of Um… robot. He's a bit of a hardener.

00:40:26.39
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, he's hard.

00:40:26.56
Ricky: He always wants to go in tentos and…

00:40:28.53
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:40:29.39
Ricky: But… He gets shot up and then he… Megatron says he's going to secretly go to planet Earth and take everyone out. And then Ironhide's like, no, don't do that.

00:40:41.39
Ricky: And then. Megatron shoots him in the head. And it's like such heroic nonsense. That opening part of… Death. for a kid's animation cartoon. is mental.

00:40:54.30
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:40:54.66
Ricky: utterly mental.

00:40:56.19
Big Jon Bass: It… It's literally, but this is what I mean. So if if you can imagine you hadn't watched the series, right? So you don't have the attachment to. the individual characters is still shocking.

00:41:08.33
Ricky: Yeah, yeah.

00:41:08.96
Big Jon Bass: on its own, right? because The film, like I said, the film opens with dislike. planet of just generic robots you know they're not the main characters right and they get gobbled by this massive planet and then that sort of goes away and then they establish like the story like you said so like

00:41:15.54
Ricky: Yeah.

00:41:22.67
Big Jon Bass: You like that? Autobots are here. The Decepticons are here. They all want to get back to their own planet. and they you know they they're working out a strategy to fight each other. and so you're kind of like building this like this picture of what's going on and then you're introduced to like Optimus Prime and you know they're the goodies because they've been introduced that way right they've been introduced as like these are the autobots and they're trying to get back and the evil decepticons are doing x so you establish straight away goodies baddies right

00:41:38.71
Ricky: Yeah, yeah

00:41:47.02
Big Jon Bass: And you know there's a closeness in the relationship because in that that early section that we see from the sort of… um Spy. in the Decepticons.

00:41:55.33
Ricky: Yeah.

00:41:56.39
Big Jon Bass: we know there's like this relationship there because they kind of talk about it. They're like, we need to get back and we need to like just attack them now. And like, prime's like no we need enough energy to be able to fight this war like this is a serious thing and then you know, Ironhide's kind of like like, okay, yeah, you're right.

00:42:07.35
Ricky: Yeah.

00:42:10.02
Big Jon Bass: And so you're seeing the leadership immediately from Optus Prime.

00:42:12.48
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:13.12
Big Jon Bass: Not too much points like trusting. this character, like you need to go and. do this because this is so crucial so you're establishing straight away that these two have a relationship there's trust there this guy's the leader that this guy's trusted and they need to go off and like do it so then when they start getting mashed up you're like whoa This is the last thing I was expecting.

00:42:19.60
Ricky: ah Yeah.

00:42:32.74
Big Jon Bass: I'm expecting them to be like fighting with each other. but everyone survives, then they all get to… The planet. It'll get to Earth. and then they have a big fight on Earth, and then it carries on.

00:42:41.71
Ricky: Yeah, yeah

00:42:42.78
Big Jon Bass: I wasn't expecting them to be murdered brutally in space. With someone getting his head blown off and you're right the best the best Death.

00:42:48.87
Ricky: Heh.

00:42:51.26
Big Jon Bass: of the whole film is And I can't remember which Autobot it is, but he gets basically shot with Megatron's massive gun.

00:42:58.51
Ricky: Yeah.

00:42:58.89
Big Jon Bass: And yeah, his eyes go like orange and like glaze over. And then smoke comes out of his mouth and his eyes just blow up and he just blows up.

00:43:03.94
Ricky: Yeah.

00:43:04.88
Big Jon Bass: And I'm like, wow, watching it. I watched it last night. I was like. Fuck. That is so cool. That is such a good death. And then, yeah, and then Ironhide gets his head blown off at close range with Megatron's mega cannon again.

00:43:18.25
Big Jon Bass: So again, you're just opening this film in such a way that… whether you'd seen the series or not, you understand these guys are, they're not to be trifled with. Like this isn't like just some like lads having a laugh.

00:43:26.70
Ricky: Yeah.

00:43:29.42
Big Jon Bass: These are like. murderers they're murderers like they're they are not taking the piss here and i think it was a brave choice from the filmmakers and i think this is a another like interesting point is they could have easily just made a feature-length version of the cartoon and kind of kept it more happy but they made a brave choice which I think they tapped into something that's been forgotten which is kids like to be scared

00:43:52.72
Ricky: Yeah, yeah

00:43:52.84
Big Jon Bass: Kids like to be frightened. Kids like to be shocked and like, why is this happening? And it's a really brave choice to go. No, let's… no one's safe let's like decide what would actually be the coolest thing to happen and how could that actually play out and what would that actually feel and look like And that's why I think it still resonates.

00:44:10.04
Big Jon Bass: 40 years later because it did have an impact on you it wasn't vanilla it wasn't like boring or generic it did stand out because it was so shocking

00:44:17.77
Ricky: Yeah.

00:44:20.65
Ricky: yeah man um Yeah, some great fucking points there. I like your ah kind of… a it's It's so… interesting hearing it from your point of view because you don't have that that backstory of watching the cartoons before like leading up to it but you still have that understanding of what's going on and the dynamic within the other bots and decepticons and Uh,

00:44:43.39
Ricky: Like, yeah, the lad's just knocking about, having a laugh, and they ain't, mate.

00:44:49.08
Big Jon Bass: No, no, no, don't lie.

00:44:49.22
Ricky: They're fucking murderous bastards.

00:44:50.30
Big Jon Bass: Let's go. Double art, mate.

00:44:51.66
Ricky: And then the next scene is so Megatron and his cronies of Decepticons have taken over this ship. and they are going to earth and they'll be going into earth undetected because the The little ah auto box that are there.

00:45:08.91
Ricky: Feel. they see their own ship coming in. They assume it's going to be their own. pals their own autobots that are coming in So there is no risk element in there.

00:45:19.94
Ricky: it's just welcoming old friends but little do they know that the Decepticons are on board this ship And it then cuts to… Someone. Hot Rod.

00:45:31.71
Ricky: Who will then become… he will rise among the ranks and and you know be the hero of the hour So it sets the scene nicely there. And…

00:45:42.22
Ricky: It introduces, as well, Daniel. yeah it's daniel like the human the human there's a few humans knocking about

00:45:46.96
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, I know.

00:45:51.02
Ricky: That. are regularly with the Autobots and ah Daniel is the son of another guy. who is on a… Planet somewhere else with Bumblebee.

00:46:01.22
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, he's on the moon, isn't he?

00:46:02.61
Ricky: Yeah, yeah so yas yeah.

00:46:02.75
Big Jon Bass: The Autobot moon.

00:46:04.69
Ricky: It's such a weird thing talking about.

00:46:04.91
Big Jon Bass: With bumblebee

00:46:07.42
Ricky: It's so funny. Bye. They… Daniel gets a notification. on his device to say that the spaceship is coming in. And he wants to watch the spaceship land.

00:46:20.83
Ricky: and and reach the city. So he says to Hot Rod, like, let's go and let's go and watch it. and they're like okay let's go And then the music kicks in.

00:46:31.44
Ricky: And it's an absolute. quality set like the soundtrack we'll get into it

00:46:37.06
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:46:37.51
Ricky: But it's just, oh my God, it's so good. And they decide to go to. a place called Lookout Mountain to watch this spaceship.

00:46:47.86
Ricky: Come in. And as they get there, Daniel looks for a telescope and says that there's a hole in the shuttle, which is. unusual. And then Hot Rod, he uses his kind of… a Telephonic.

00:47:02.22
Ricky: lens. to look and see that there is a hole in the show. And he can see loads of Decepticons in there and he's like, fuck. We're in trouble now.

00:47:13.79
Ricky: So he starts firing. At this ship full of Decepticons. Now this bit. Apart from the main part of… you know the Megatron and Optimus Prime fight.

00:47:24.87
Ricky: is… my favorite bit well one of my favorite bits

00:47:27.77
Big Jon Bass: Yeah. Same.

00:47:29.32
Ricky: because he starts firing it like he just knows decepticons are up there he just starts firing to take the ship down. And then the amount of Decepticons come out like a swarm of bees to attack the Autobots. 00:47:43.100 Ricky and um i think megatron he shouts like i like attack them now or something like that And then they just all come out ready to fucking fight. And I remember as a kid, just.

00:47:55.47
Ricky: like open mouth, like. Oh my God, what are they going to do? What are they going to do? And then. From then on in, it all kicks off and there is a huge fight in Autobot City.

00:48:09.32
Ricky: And it's a… fight that burns kind of like night and day, almost how they portray it. The Autobots defending their city. as the Decepticons wreak havoc.

00:48:20.47
Ricky: and are constantly pummeling. The Autobots. And the Autobots are outnumbered. They don't like because they're expecting, you know, their colleagues to. uh to turn up their powers but the decepticons have killed them all and then even more Autobots that are defending the city die. So the the numbers dwindle.

00:48:39.80
Ricky: The Decepticons are… They've got the upper hand. The element of surprise have knocked out the Autobots. I've just realised that we're like 48 minutes in. And ah we we i could just we could do another hour of this. It's mental. So I…

00:48:55.88
Ricky: You know, I have to kind of get my skates on. But ah with the…

00:48:58.88
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:49:00.88
Ricky: And then…

00:49:03.59
Ricky: Within that, the the biggest kind of most… important. fight scene. happens between Uh, So, ba oh man, it's going to be hard to go go through all of these points because.

00:49:18.92
Ricky: We need to tell the story, don't we?

00:49:19.08
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, there's just so much to talk to.

00:49:20.40
Ricky: Yeah, there is a lot.

00:49:21.01
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:49:21.38
Ricky: I've just realized that there's just so so much fucking geeziness in this to fucking get it all in one.

00:49:26.64
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:49:28.00
Ricky: It's a fucking nightmare.

00:49:29.47
Big Jon Bass: but but there's basically a siege isn't there on on this city on earth and it goes overnight which i've forgotten about until i watched it last night it's like you see the battle play out from a this so there's like lots of little battles happening but then you you see this like lovely shot where it sort of pulls back and you see like the sun go down and like the moon come up and then it goes back and then it cuts back to megatron he's like the defenses are down like we can go and fucking get them and then they build the big devastator which is like a big like multi-transform big fucking thing and they start breaking in and it's like That's it.

00:49:31.60
Ricky: Yeah.

00:49:40.05
Ricky: Yeah.

00:49:44.86
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah

00:49:50.73
Ricky: Yeah.

00:49:58.49
Big Jon Bass: like the The remaining Autobots who are inside.

00:50:01.72
Ricky: Yeah.

00:50:02.10
Big Jon Bass: Which is like… You know, Daniel, the little kid. Like, um… Hot Rod.

00:50:08.29
Ricky: A hot rod.

00:50:08.84
Big Jon Bass: You've got springers in there.

00:50:10.35
Ricky: Yeah.

00:50:11.53
Big Jon Bass: What's the name? RC's in there.

00:50:12.46
Ricky: I'll say yeah.

00:50:13.89
Big Jon Bass: and Ultra Magnus, they're in there, and and Cup.

00:50:15.54
Ricky: Yeah.

00:50:17.06
Big Jon Bass: And you're like, they're going to get murked now because they're going to open that door and the floodgates are going to open.

00:50:19.32
Ricky: Yeah.

00:50:23.17
Big Jon Bass: And then just as you think. all is lost in true like beautiful cinematic moment We just… we just realized that someone's someone's coming over the hill to save the day don't we right

00:50:35.12
Ricky: Yeah. So before, as that's happening. One of the Autobots tries to signal through to Optimus Prime. who is, I don't actually know where Optimus Prime is at this point.

00:50:46.39
Ricky: Like, was…

00:50:46.74
Big Jon Bass: He's still on the other moon. So there's two moons

00:50:48.08
Ricky: So he oh he's ah he's on the moon, right?

00:50:49.36
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:50:50.09
Ricky: Okay. So they signaled into Optimus Prime that… all about city is under attack They're getting hammered and they need help. But before he makes the end of that signal.

00:51:02.54
Ricky: to Optimus Prime. the Decepticons cut the, cut the ah signal. And they have no idea whether Optimus Prime hears it or not because he doesn't reply back. He gets through halfway the message. So they're like, fuck, we are fucked now.

00:51:16.45
Ricky: And then within that. Just as the Decepticons are going in for the kill. a spaceship. from out of the sky. lowers down and it's about to land And.

00:51:29.93
Ricky: Optimus Prime. And some other Autobots, the Dinobots as well. they come out and it's like, right. Let's fucking have it, boys. Bye. We've got, we've, we've come in 10 ties strong handed now.

00:51:44.31
Ricky: We're going to see who's who. And… the autobots are still getting a bit of a pummeling. And. they realize ah like Megatron is he's just wreaking havoc and he's getting further and further into Autobot City and there's no one that can stop him because he's so powerful and all the other Decepticons are there And Optimus Prime realizes that.

00:52:08.56
Ricky: It's only him. is the one that could probably… get through the defenses of the Decepticons. and have it out with Megatron. So as he does this.

00:52:21.33
Ricky: The soundtrack kicks in.

00:52:23.59
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:52:24.08
Ricky: And you've got the touch. And I think. People that are listening to this, that they'll they'll know the soundtrack anyway. And it's at that moment where Optimus Prime transforms.

00:52:36.48
Ricky: and drives through Autobot City. And the Decepticons, they're trying to stop him. They're trying to shoot him down. and then optimus prime transforms out of this out of being a lorry And he goes flying through the air.

00:52:50.53
Ricky: And he's just taking each Decepticon out one by one as he's somersaulting through the air with his massive gun. shooting down every Decepticon. They can't get to him. And it is just an amazing kind of like.

00:53:03.76
Ricky: All of them are just annihilated. Then as Optimus Prime lands, there's still a few Decepticons there shooting at him and he fucking guns them down too.

00:53:12.03
Big Jon Bass: Holds them up. Yeah bats

00:53:12.87
Ricky: Yeah. So everyone is just getting folded up by Optimus Prime. and then he's like right i've got to get to megatron now Say… As he's like… scuttling over this bridge.

00:53:24.51
Ricky: He confronts Megatron and then they have the main kind of… big fight of The leader. of the autobots and you know of the decepticons this this is the true uh good versus evil moment and Optimus Prime and Megatron they have this huge fight And.

00:53:46.01
Ricky: it's you know megatron gets the upper hand then optimus prime does and it's and it's all unfolding And they're both… Absolutely knocking seven bells out of each other. It's great viewing.

00:53:57.06
Big Jon Bass: That's class.

00:53:57.83
Ricky: And then all of a sudden… Optimus Prime has the upper hand. He's about to finish Megatron. And you think, oh, fucking hell, it's like half hour of in the film and you know we're done and dusted here.

00:54:10.72
Ricky: But as Megatron pleads for forgiveness and mercy. He spots a gun. And he's trying to edge his way over to this gun. And as he does that. Hot Rod recognizes that he's doing it.

00:54:26.06
Ricky: And he jumps out. tries to grab hold of Megatron to stop him from shooting Optimus Prime. Sneakily. And then Megatron. just manhandles hot rods.

00:54:37.18
Ricky: takes him hostage. and just starts firing at Optimus Prime. And Optimus Prime is proper fucked by this point. He's like on his last legs. He's laying down. He's crouching down. And he's… and he's He's completely done now.

00:54:51.32
Ricky: And Megatron kind of approaches him. goes to shoot him as to say Like. The war's over, pal. I'm fucking top dog round here. And Optimus Prime uses the last…

00:55:03.11
Ricky: part of his energy. And shouts never. And like hand smashes Megatron off this building. And he tumbles down off this building and he's like virtually dead.

00:55:15.51
Ricky: On. the floor

00:55:17.06
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, he's fucked as well.

00:55:17.85
Ricky: And Optimus Prime is standing there. And as he's done it, you can see that his power is powering down. He drops to one knee and then falls to the floor. So you're kind of in this part of that they are on their last legs.

00:55:33.12
Ricky: about to you know the the the two warriors have gone at it And… both of them are on their last legs about to die. Is there anything anything that you wanted to add in there, John?

00:55:44.87
Big Jon Bass: Major. This is a great summary. I mean, there's so many brilliant lines in this this segment. That. are so brilliant so when Optimus Prime like is on the plane and they're like coming in and they can see that he's just absolutely fucking mashed up the city he just He just says to the rest of them, Megatron must be stopped no matter the cost.

00:56:04.79
Ricky: Yes.

00:56:05.28
Big Jon Bass: Which is so Geese and foreshadows what happens later, which is which is great. There's also Springer when he's like, when they're trying to defend the Autobot city. He's like, i got better things to do than tonight tim I got better things to do tonight than die.

00:56:20.23
Big Jon Bass: Just like catchy little one-liner.

00:56:19.92
Ricky: Yeah.

00:56:22.39
Big Jon Bass: There's also the famous one that they used in the later Transformers movie, the one shall stand and one shall fall.

00:56:28.50
Ricky: Oh, yeah, shit, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:28.83
Big Jon Bass: one. Which is. ledge when they have to fight.

00:56:32.22
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah

00:56:33.79
Big Jon Bass: which is absolutely class. And then there's also the bit. When they're fighting and Megatron is trying to sort of like… stall for time and he's asking for mercy and he's and then prime says to him you who are Ah, without mercy, now plead for it. I thought you were made of sterner stuff.

00:56:51.87
Ricky: Aw, Mace.

00:56:51.77
Big Jon Bass: It's just such a mug. He just mugged him right off. It's so good. So that whole section, there's just so many brilliant like lines from it. and also it's a great um Like I said, it's foreshadowing, like you know one shall stand, one shall fall.

00:57:07.33
Big Jon Bass: they're like you know no matter the cost that kind of stuff

00:57:09.87
Ricky: Yeah.

00:57:10.33
Big Jon Bass: And also we see a moment where… Hot Rod is trying to do the right thing.

00:57:15.58
Ricky: Yeah.

00:57:15.90
Big Jon Bass: but by trying to do the right thing he basically contributes to like the downfall of Optimus Prime. And as the movie goes on… there's a level of like atonement that he's trying to achieve because he feels guilty and he actually he apologizes immediately so when Optimus Prime is like, fucked.

00:57:32.56
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does.

00:57:33.96
Big Jon Bass: He's like, Optimus, I'm sorry. like he's He knows that he's fucked up.

00:57:37.44
Ricky: Yeah.

00:57:38.26
Big Jon Bass: And one of the other characters that we haven't touched upon is Cup, who's like the old boy who's been around the block in a million years.

00:57:43.48
Ricky: Yeah.

00:57:44.02
Big Jon Bass: There's some lines before this big fight where he's kind of saying like, he needs to learn, he's young, he's rash. And so you're you're introducing this character who's like, you know, a bit of an upstart. And then he makes this fuck up.

00:57:55.50
Big Jon Bass: And so now immediately you're like, shit, he's the coolest looking.

00:57:55.66
Ricky: Yeah, yeah

00:57:58.32
Big Jon Bass: of the of the Transformers.

00:57:59.98
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:01.30
Big Jon Bass: Bet he's dropped an absolute bollock here. he's absolutely stitched him up here um and then they yeah they basically the rest of the Decepticons kind of get dragged away.

00:58:13.98
Big Jon Bass: um Megatron nearly gets left, but he pleads with a sound wave, is it?

00:58:16.93
Ricky: Yeah.

00:58:19.05
Big Jon Bass: to to

00:58:19.10
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

00:58:20.13
Big Jon Bass: Don't leave me, Soundwave!

00:58:21.48
Ricky: Heh heh.

00:58:22.30
Big Jon Bass: And then they take him back on board and flee the scene, don't they?

00:58:22.34
Ricky: uh

00:58:25.87
Ricky: Yeah, the the the funniest bit about that ah is there's a Decepticon called Starscream.

00:58:32.39
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, he's a legend.

00:58:32.66
Ricky: He is just a cunt. He really is.

00:58:35.25
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:58:35.74
Ricky: But I love him, though.

00:58:36.79
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, he's the best.

00:58:37.33
Ricky: And Megatron is lying, dying on the floor. And Starscream goes up to him and boots him.

00:58:43.08
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:58:43.40
Ricky: ah

00:58:44.86
Big Jon Bass: The Great Megatron!

00:58:45.94
Ricky: he Yeah. Fucking just boots him, man.

00:58:47.37
Big Jon Bass: Thank you.

00:58:49.34
Ricky: He's your boss. And he's just like, nah, fuck that.

00:58:50.67
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:58:52.43
Ricky: I'm the boss now. And he just boots him as he's dying on the floor. um And then he gets Soundwave to take him away. And then they the the Decepticons end up fleeing the scene.

00:59:03.67
Ricky: Now Optimus Prime, he is… He's been, you know, he's been obviously through the wars. He's been beaten up. There is a part where. ah Megatron throws this kind of like…

00:59:16.49
Ricky: like branch at his middle uh so he's like kind of opened up as a robot But essentially he is laying on a… operating table.

00:59:27.57
Ricky: And they have the… you know, like ah in a hospital, with the heart monitors. And, you know, just kind of.

00:59:32.45
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

00:59:34.72
Ricky: analysing all his… um Circuitry. ah to see how he's doing. And the prognosis is.

00:59:44.93
Ricky: that. He's so damaged that he's not going to make it. And… all the autobots are standing around him gravely as to be like shit is this going to be His last moment. He can't die. He's our leader. He's the main guy.

01:00:01.08
Ricky: And before Optimus Prime dies. He will. he's he's kind of like thinking planning ahead what what do i do he has this thing.

01:00:12.76
Ricky: in him that he carries around called the matrix Ow. I don't actually know what the matrix is. It's like this thing, this special… power that the autobots have And.

01:00:27.02
Ricky: It's led to lead their darkest hour. So whatever this… thing is. ah When the autobots, when the chips are down. when it's like where they feel like nothing else is going to happen, this thing is supposed to kick in and help them, but they have no idea why or how or or what it is.

01:00:46.76
Ricky: so before Optimus Prime who feels like he's dying he's been told that he's you know The… damage is irreparable. he actually passes on the leadership of Matrix to one of the…

01:00:59.72
Ricky: Avou Arbors, Ultra Magnus. And he gets it. He puts it within inside his. uh, chest. And they kind of like, okay.

01:01:10.69
Ricky: it feels like the leadership has passed on um And as that has passed on. there's ah There's a kind of an important bit within the film as well, because as Optimus Prime is weak.

01:01:22.34
Ricky: He's passing the Matrix to Ultra Magnus, but drops it. And as he drops it. Hot Rod. managed to catch it. And as he catches it.

01:01:33.83
Ricky: you see all the kind of colors brighten and stuff like that and it's kind of like it's a like a a note as to say that this is an important bit but you don't know why Say a hot rod.

01:01:45.72
Ricky: Catches the the Matrix. He then gives it to Ultra Magnus, who then puts it within his… chest. And then. you kind of see Optimus Prime slowly ebb away.

01:01:57.40
Ricky: And just like it within a hospital, you hear the beeps on a screen. They start to get slower. and slower. And then all of a sudden… Optimus Prime Flatlines.

01:02:09.41
Ricky: His head… Limps to the side. And then all his colors go gray.

01:02:15.52
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, savage.

01:02:16.13
Ricky: So, like, you know he's dead. And at that point. I remember watching it as a kid. that I was like… I was inconsolable.

01:02:28.69
Ricky: I remember watching it, just crying my heart out. Just crying so bad. And not again, right? This is, now this is probably, I was timing it yesterday and it may be 30, I think it's like around 33 minutes.

01:02:41.17
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

01:02:43.48
Ricky: That. Half the Autobots have been wiped out and killed in a mental fashion. And Optimus Prime, the leader. It's been in a massive fight. And he's now dead.

01:02:55.75
Ricky: And we. We're 33 minutes into a film. for kids. It's not… It's so, it's just mental. You can't believe what's happening.

01:03:07.19
Ricky: And obviously everyone is. Shaken up. Sounds like some robot strip club.

01:03:13.36
Big Jon Bass: yeah

01:03:16.38
Big Jon Bass: Yeah. Doing bare lines of Energon in there, mate.

01:03:20.54
Ricky: Autobot City has been smashed to smithereens. ah They don't know what to do. Optimus Prime is dead. ah Ultra Magnus has assumed leadership, even though he doesn't feel like he's worthy.

01:03:32.09
Ricky: um and doesn't quite know he's i think he says um What does he say? is like

01:03:36.42
Big Jon Bass: He's like, I'm just a humble soldier.

01:03:37.90
Ricky: Yeah yeah.

01:03:37.87
Big Jon Bass: i'm not I'm not worthy. But then Optimus says something really like powerful to him, which is like… You need to… um you need to remember that the matrix will will shine a light and light will guide you and one one of us will like lead us into the next thing.

01:03:54.98
Big Jon Bass: Not you. It's not, it doesn't even, it's a very pointed line, which obviously, cause I know what happens.

01:03:56.48
Ricky: Right, yeah, yeah.

01:04:00.20
Big Jon Bass: I was like, ah, that's really clever. So basically it says you might, you might not be worthy. We don't know. But when the time's right, the person who is worthy…

01:04:06.21
Ricky: Yeah.

01:04:09.11
Big Jon Bass: we'll take and open the matrix or something like that and that will take us to where we want to go so

01:04:12.40
Ricky: Yeah.

01:04:14.93
Big Jon Bass: ultra magnus is yeah like kind of a very sensible middle management right he's a company man Right, East.

01:04:19.87
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah

01:04:20.97
Big Jon Bass: you know hasn't had a sick day for like 20 years He's going to work there till the day he dies and get his Autobot pension and like live out his you know his summers. They're having very sensible fishing holidays.

01:04:32.02
Big Jon Bass: He's a very calm… Sensible guy.

01:04:33.66
Ricky: but Yeah.

01:04:35.57
Big Jon Bass: he He supports Fulham.

01:04:36.95
Ricky: Yeah.

01:04:37.12
Big Jon Bass: right It's just inoffensive. Sort of guy. You know, he's he's a Lib Dem voter. He's just a normal, sensible guy.

01:04:43.62
Ricky: Yeah.

01:04:45.96
Big Jon Bass: He's not the sort of charismatic banter man. that you know the Autobots really need.

01:04:51.49
Ricky: Die.

01:04:51.77
Big Jon Bass: um to to lead them into the future so It's a sensible choice in the sense of he's respected. But you kind of, even as a kid, you're kind of like… I don't think this guy's going to cut it.

01:05:02.14
Big Jon Bass: he doesn't He feels like, just because he's also a massive truck, isn't he?

01:05:06.01
Ricky: Yeah, yeah.

01:05:06.51
Big Jon Bass: So. Oh, yeah, he it'll do.

01:05:08.84
Ricky: Yeah, he'll do. It was one of those, he'll do.

01:05:11.25
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, empty.

01:05:11.49
Ricky: He looks similar, just give it him.

01:05:13.11
Big Jon Bass: Give it to the end of the season.

01:05:13.38
Ricky: Give it to him at the end of the season.

01:05:16.78
Big Jon Bass: Yeah he's basically Tudor. For. And we all saw how that worked out.

01:05:22.39
Ricky: Uh…

01:05:22.42
Big Jon Bass: um

01:05:24.56
Ricky: oh mate yeah so that is kind of um that that's where it's like left And. To kind of… is It's really hard to go to go through all of this.

01:05:36.68
Ricky: But I do… want to kind of go through. So… With Megatron, so Optimus Prime is dead. Ultra Magnus is now the leader of the Autobots. um The Decepticons are hurtling through space, licking their wounds.

01:05:53.13
Ricky: ah Got their arses kicked again. They've got loads of casualties. And as they are going back through space that in their rocket that they can't get to where they're going because they're too heavy.

01:06:06.70
Ricky: And the suggestion is… The lads. that are fucked up. Should we just… Should we just dash him into space? Who gives a fuck, man?

01:06:15.48
Big Jon Bass: yeah

01:06:16.68
Ricky: They can't fight back. It's survival of the fittest. And they're like, yeah, then they have a vote. And they start chucking the Decepticons that have been in the fight. that probably aren't going to make it they're a bit weak a bit damaged and they're just throwing them all out into the middle of space and then Starscream the arsehole grabs Megatron, the leader of the Decepticons,

01:06:42.55
Ricky: And… ah basically opens the door and it's like You're fucked, mate. And. We're just going to f throw you out. And Megatron's like, no, no, don't. I'm live still all right. a sound i just get Give me a minute. Give me a minute.

01:06:55.92
Ricky: And the star screams like, nah, fuck you, mate. And it just launches him out.

01:06:58.46
Big Jon Bass: so I was just looking at the line because I was like, I'm sure it's a pretty funny line. But he's basically carrying him to the door and he just goes, oh, how it pains me to do this.

01:07:07.71
Ricky: Yes.

01:07:08.07
Big Jon Bass: I mean… Megatron's like, I can still function. And he just he just literally like lets him go and just goes, want a bet? Just fucks him into space. It's absolutely sad.

01:07:19.87
Big Jon Bass: age. I was like, oh, he's so brutal, and he's just cracking up, and he just comes back in. And then they start deciding who's going to…

01:07:24.40
Ricky: It's so funny.

01:07:27.03
Big Jon Bass: Be the leader. And there's a really funny line in that bit as well where basically… um the big destructor or whatever it's called um starts going like yeah we should be because we form the biggest and most devastator most devast we've won the biggest and most devastating rebel so we should be the leader And then.

01:07:39.27
Ricky: Devastating, yeah.

01:07:43.29
Big Jon Bass: someone else gives it a go and then sound wave goes sound wave superior And then I think Starscream's like, no one's going to follow this charismatic-less leader like you. Just mugs him right off.

01:07:53.47
Big Jon Bass: And he's just there like, oh, fucking hell, it's a bit harsh.

01:07:55.31
Ricky: ah Yeah. Yeah, he calls him uncharismatic fool and then…

01:07:56.99
Big Jon Bass: It's well funny.

01:08:00.54
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, and I'm a cosmetic fool.

01:08:01.62
Ricky: And then one of the little tapes that come out on Transform, the little robots for Soundwave.

01:08:06.76
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

01:08:07.75
Ricky: And it's that nobody calls Soundwave on-cross-o-matic, because that, like, completely fucks it up.

01:08:11.01
Big Jon Bass: and Uncrasomatic. Yeah.

01:08:13.76
Ricky: and then there's a massive fight in there which is absolutely class But… As this happens, Megatron and the rest of his cronies that are half dead are just drifting through space. They're going to die.

01:08:26.04
Ricky: The energy, they I mean, they have no energy. They are on. their last legs. And as they're drifting through to space. uh through space that The…

01:08:38.04
Ricky: Massive. Planet eating. Um, mechanism. Unicron. who you saw in the first scene. summons Megatron and his cronies.

01:08:53.07
Ricky: And… As they're just drifting in, there that's when they're introduced to each other. and Unicron has basically summoned Megatron. because he wants…

01:09:04.04
Ricky: the… Matrix of leadership destroyed. and the leadership of Matrix It's the only thing. That can defeat Unicron.

01:09:15.31
Ricky: So he wants that destroyed and Megatron. ah reasons with Unicron and says I've already killed Optimus Prime. and the matrix died along with him.

01:09:27.93
Ricky: And Unicron says that's where you're wrong, son. because he's giving it to Ultra Magnus. I don't want you. To work for me. And fuck Ultra Magnus up and give me the… and the ah Matrix of Leadership.

01:09:43.10
Ricky: And Megatron's like, mate, I don't work for anyone. I'm my own guy. like I'm the leader of the Decepticons. I don't need you.

01:09:49.19
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, no one summons me, mate.

01:09:50.46
Ricky: Yeah, no one summons me.

01:09:50.63
Big Jon Bass: I'm fucking Megatron.

01:09:52.54
Ricky: Who do you think you are? Who do you think you are?

01:09:54.33
Big Jon Bass: which Again, one of many reasons why Megatron is a fucking G. He's on his last legs. He's bleeding out. He's absolutely… He's barely functioning. Right.

01:10:03.17
Ricky: Yeah.

01:10:03.75
Big Jon Bass: And he's still giving it out.

01:10:05.37
Ricky: Yeah.

01:10:05.44
Big Jon Bass: He's still just like, who the fuck are you, mate? You want some? like skis activities not like a wounded little animal like oh yeah help me he's like oh off

01:10:13.56
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

01:10:14.50
Big Jon Bass: Come on, man.

01:10:14.99
Ricky: ah

01:10:15.70
Big Jon Bass: I love that.

01:10:17.09
Ricky: Yeah, it's quality. And then Unicron's like, well, okay, fine. If you don't want to join the forces, then if you don't want to, like I'll… Like, I'll just… send you to uh yeah mash you up into an oblivion

01:10:25.84
Big Jon Bass: Mash you up.

01:10:29.33
Ricky: And Megatron's like, all right, all right, fine, fine, fine. I'll do it. I'll do it. and then uh Unicrons like Rakay. that's the correct answer The.

01:10:39.57
Big Jon Bass: Just on that, Rick, just on that that that exact scene.

01:10:40.65
Ricky: Yeah.

01:10:43.07
Big Jon Bass: where… Unicron basically like sort of it's like torturing basically Megatron.

01:10:48.44
Ricky: Mmm.

01:10:48.71
Big Jon Bass: is the visually is the is probably the most beautiful animation in the whole film when it sort it turned into this like red like laser light and it's sort of like pans round like almost like 3D and then…

01:10:54.79
Ricky: ya Yeah yeah yeah. Red, yeah yeah.

01:11:02.45
Big Jon Bass: ah We see him sort of like moving backwards in the shot. It's stunning animation.

01:11:04.90
Ricky: Yeah.

01:11:07.33
Big Jon Bass: Like, I love that bit.

01:11:07.43
Ricky: Yeah, yeah.

01:11:08.26
Big Jon Bass: Watching it as an adult, I was like, oh, shit, that must have been so hard to do that. And that looks absolutely amazing. Like, it looks really, like, modern almost, whereas some of the fight sequences, you can tell it's like an 80s cartoon.

01:11:16.82
Ricky: Yeah.

01:11:20.52
Ricky: Yeah.

01:11:20.92
Big Jon Bass: That bit really has like stood the test of time. It looks amazing from an and animation point of view.

01:11:26.47
Ricky: Yeah, the the the animation bit that I love is ah the next bit in that scene. So… So Megatron has already said, oh, I'm going to… um Yeah, let's join forces. And then Unicron says, okay, then.

01:11:40.83
Ricky: um And then because Megatron and the other Decepticons are so mashed up, he gives them new bodies, new character, new personality.

01:11:48.23
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

01:11:49.52
Ricky: and it's that bit you know where um it then goes green and it's like it it does that kind of see-through scanning of

01:11:54.76
Big Jon Bass: Scans them. Yeah.

01:11:57.74
Ricky: theirre bodies And you can see the eyes and all the circuitry within Megatron and then scans across him again. And it's like this purple. wave. That goes over them. And and then Megatron.

01:12:10.56
Ricky: It's the leader of the Decepticons. He's been mashed up. He then makes a deal with Unicron to say… I will you know ah I'll work for you. um by getting this new body and stuff.

01:12:23.60
Ricky: And my new minions to to help me. So Megatron turns into Galvatron. And then him and his merry men.

01:12:34.06
Ricky: Ah. hurtling across space to try and kill Ultra Magnus and essentially destroy. the leadership of matrix because that's the only thing unicron Ken.

01:12:47.78
Ricky: that that That can kill your Unicron. You're gone.

01:12:51.11
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, just going to say that maybe this is a good time as well to mention that. they made a really interesting choice here the directors because when Megatron becomes Galvatron. They change voice actors and it's Leonard Nimoy. Sponk.

01:13:04.90
Ricky: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:06.02
Big Jon Bass: That is Galvatron. And it does add another dimension to the character because it's it's still got the essence of Megatron's like badness and evilness, but it it is noticeably a different…

01:13:14.07
Ricky: Yeah.

01:13:17.39
Big Jon Bass: different character. And then maybe for people who. either watched the film and didn't even recognize or hadn't thought about it but um The… Unicron voice is done by Orson Welles.

01:13:29.09
Ricky: Yeah.

01:13:29.72
Big Jon Bass: So you've got basically like two iconic. voices outside of transformers and then obviously you've got

01:13:35.33
Ricky: Yeah.

01:13:36.84
Big Jon Bass: Peter Cullen and… um The other guy, really bad, I don't know his name, that do the voice for like most of like the main characters.

01:13:44.10
Ricky: Yeah.

01:13:44.83
Big Jon Bass: So… Having those two like big at the time, like Leonard Nimoy and like Star Trek was such a huge show and Spock was such a huge character. and then literal Orson Welles doing the voice of Unicron.

01:13:52.55
Ricky: Yeah.

01:13:56.19
Big Jon Bass: It sort of was. maybe, and i don't know i don't I'm not going to back it up, but it just suits my argument, so I'm just going to say it's true, is the first time that like animation went, let's just get big.

01:14:01.78
Ricky: Duh.

01:14:05.30
Big Jon Bass: Hollywood actor names to do voices and like that will add something to it because.

01:14:07.76
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah

01:14:10.45
Big Jon Bass: Orson Welles is fucking awesome as Unicron. like It feels like amazing, doesn't it, having his voice?

01:14:16.59
Ricky: Yeah. So when I was in the cinema yesterday and like you can see the big Unicron on the screen and hearing it. like booming over it's just like oh my god this is so fucking and this is amazing

01:14:28.01
Big Jon Bass: Sick. Yeah.

01:14:29.99
Ricky: Artly amazing. That's a really good point, actually, about the… um the changing of the guard And it is, you know, it's a different voice actor. It's a different character. It's still got elements of Megatron. He's the leader of the Decepticons and he's still a badass.

01:14:46.21
Ricky: you know Bop. ah Making that change within the the Transformers universe of getting rid of the old kind of baddie and replacing him. Yeah, it's fucking mental thinking about it now. I hadn't… ah You know, I knew Leonard Nimoy did do the voice for Galvatron.

01:15:03.69
Ricky: But yeah I didn't even think about. how… as a kid and as a franchise, then choosing a change in the. The main lead of the Decepticons is mental.

01:15:14.39
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, I just also just checked as well. like It wasn't just Orson Welles and Leonard Nimoy, so Judd Nelson plays… hot rod who's uh he'd just done the breakfast club at the time and this was like the peak of his fame and eric idol who we We haven't got to the…

01:15:27.26
Ricky: Yeah.

01:15:30.75
Big Jon Bass: Rekakons or whatever they're called.

01:15:31.98
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

01:15:32.33
Big Jon Bass: But he's like the main character of that like little subset. And obviously he's like… again peak monty python fame at this point in time so they really did go quite big with um bringing in these names and basically this was like the first time that had been done at this scale for certainly for like a cartoon series to then become a film

01:15:54.08
Ricky: Yeah.

01:15:54.28
Big Jon Bass: And then that really became the big shift. And they were talking about basically like after that, you had like Aladdin had Robin Williams and then that. sort of blew up and it changed the way people saw big names doing animation voiceovers and so groundbreaking rick for many reasons including the voice work

01:16:01.44
Ricky: Yeah.

01:16:09.99
Ricky: Yeah, mate. Fucking hell. I hadn't even thought about that. That's why you're on.

01:16:13.95
Big Jon Bass: That's cool, isn't it?

01:16:14.46
Ricky: that's that's why That's why I've got the big boys on air.

01:16:17.11
Big Jon Bass: You're too busy watching the fucking cartoon, mate, not watching the film. come Fucking around.

01:16:23.45
Ricky: I'm acutely aware of that. Obviously we are. Sorry, an hour and 15 into this now. It'll probably be an hour and a half pod, so apologies to you, John.

01:16:34.44
Big Jon Bass: That's all right.

01:16:34.38
Ricky: Um, I just want to kind of… Let's see where we can skip. I mean, there's… we We have spoken about how Insane Unicron…

01:16:45.43
Ricky: is… ah Like a lot a planet. That is orbiting space that devours. other planets. And it's never been seen before.

01:16:57.06
Ricky: and it's that like in it in like thinking about it as a like a unicron as another kind of I guess you would assume that he's a Decepticon or something.

01:17:09.00
Ricky: Or maybe doesn't belong to anyone.

01:17:10.72
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

01:17:11.24
Ricky: Um, But as like its stature of a ah massive planet that is eating another planet and just smashing up all other robots indestructible.

01:17:22.43
Ricky: is pretty mental to think about can you imagine trying to write that like what what are we going to do like

01:17:28.29
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

01:17:29.37
Ricky: We've got the autobots. Yeah, we've done that. We've done it all in the series. What are we going to do?

01:17:34.90
Big Jon Bass: but this This is…

01:17:35.08
Ricky: I've got an idea boss.

01:17:35.94
Big Jon Bass: yeah Yeah, I've got one. But this is what's genius about the film. And this is, again, why I think it was good standalone, because you establish in the very first scene this fucking planet eats other planets.

01:17:45.88
Ricky: Yeah.

01:17:46.07
Big Jon Bass: right so you're like shit there's a time limit when this fucker's gonna Turn up again later, right?

01:17:50.85
Ricky: Yeah.

01:17:51.52
Big Jon Bass: Then when you have the the battle on the planet, what happens then is basically there's these like offshoots that are happening. right you've got the decepticons are going through like a new leadership race right you've got megatron been turned into galvatron has now got the mission to find the um matrix which one group of uh autobots has got but they get split up

01:18:02.70
Ricky: Yeah.

01:18:13.14
Big Jon Bass: right so you've got you've got cup

01:18:13.22
Ricky: Yeah.

01:18:15.38
Big Jon Bass: and uh hot rod land on some random planet and then you've got the dino bots and rc and ultra magnus on this junk planet right so it's basically now like this sort of ticking time bomb of who can get back to

01:18:22.96
Ricky: Yeah.

01:18:29.36
Big Jon Bass: uh together.

01:18:30.72
Ricky: Yeah.

01:18:30.95
Big Jon Bass: and try and like retake. um their city or that their planet.

01:18:36.20
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

01:18:37.06
Big Jon Bass: And they they start to see as it goes on. about like unicron crushing other planets and so now they're aware oh shit there's this other thing and they also hear it um hot rod and cup hear it from this robot in the little prison when they get sort of captured and he explains it as well so now all the characters know

01:18:52.76
Ricky: Yeah.

01:18:57.22
Big Jon Bass: there's this big planet that's munching everything. So now the time… aspect becomes like more and more important like we need to to do something And there's also a bit where… um Daniel's dad, Spike, because I had to Google it.

01:19:10.45
Ricky: Yeah. hey Yeah, yeah.

01:19:12.16
Big Jon Bass: Spike. And I can't remember which other robot. They witness. Unicron munching something. And they are trying to get away from it.

01:19:18.17
Ricky: Yeah.

01:19:19.75
Big Jon Bass: And there's the there's only one swear word in the whole film.

01:19:23.16
Ricky: Yes.

01:19:23.71
Big Jon Bass: But there is a swear word. And when he basically, they have a good go at trying to like mash up this planet, that Unicron. And then… Basically, he says, um it isn't even dented.

01:19:36.37
Big Jon Bass: And then he's like, oh, shit, what are we going to do now?

01:19:38.94
Ricky: Yeah.

01:19:39.74
Big Jon Bass: And I remember as a kid going, oh my God, he says shit. I love you. That's so bad. um but that's when like

01:19:44.18
Ricky: Yeah, it's him and Bumblebee.

01:19:47.03
Big Jon Bass: That's it, him and Bumblebee. So then they get sort of swallowed up into unicorns. So as the audience, you're basically seeing like these different… strands and that's what i think they did really well when you lose optimus prime You don't have to focus on just him.

01:19:59.92
Ricky: Yeah.

01:19:59.99
Big Jon Bass: and following his story. You can break it out into these other stories. And so as the film goes on, all these different storylines converge, obviously, because you have like Galvatron sort of finds the other Autobots, the Autobots find each other.

01:20:11.03
Ricky: Yeah.

01:20:11.34
Big Jon Bass: and then And then guess what? Just as that happens, Unicron comes into the mix. So it's this perfect like story where… it starts together and then is fractured and then brought back together again.

01:20:21.82
Ricky: Yeah. I mean, that was ah an excellent. uh summation of hear That middle bit because I fucking never would have gone. I would have just gone blow for blow.

01:20:32.16
Ricky: We'll be here four hours later.

01:20:32.40
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, I mean, this…

01:20:33.66
Ricky: that

01:20:34.69
Big Jon Bass: there's so much in There's so many good bits, like the bit where they're um they go onto this planet and they get captured. hot rod and cup and it's really great because you're learning a lot about their two characters you got the old head and the young gun and cups are were telling these stories oh this reminds me of when i was on this planet and then they go to this mental place and he's like what does this remind you of and when he's like

01:20:46.20
Ricky: Yeah.

01:20:49.36
Ricky: Yeah.

01:20:52.10
Big Jon Bass: i don't know i haven't really seen anything like this before when he sees unicron for the first time So there's there's all these great bits there.

01:20:52.90
Ricky: Maybe.

01:20:58.31
Big Jon Bass: that build the characters. um throughout the film which They obviously use later on for the series and stuff like that. But within the context of the film.

01:21:06.74
Ricky: Yeah.

01:21:09.42
Big Jon Bass: you are seeing a lot of character development with the challenges that they overcome so like daniel learns how to use his like robot suit um and sort of learns how to transform in this robot suit and ultra magnus is like trying to be

01:21:15.78
Ricky: Yeah.

01:21:21.69
Big Jon Bass: you know a bit of a leader and like trying to make it work and he doesn't quite make it work and all these kind of things so you're learning basically all of the character flaws on this journey in the middle in sort of act two if you like

01:21:31.69
Ricky: ya Yeah, yeah, yeah

01:21:32.27
Big Jon Bass: And so it's really great. and We could go and talk about Act 2 for ages because there's so many good… lines or good moments in that.

01:21:41.23
Ricky: Yeah.

01:21:41.48
Big Jon Bass: um But. Yeah, it basically leads to them converging altogether, doesn't it?

01:21:46.30
Ricky: Yeah, it does. And like you're saying, ah there there are like some of my again, some of my favorite parts and in the soundtrack. ah is in that part. Like.

01:21:57.41
Ricky: oh man i was just about to go into it then but i just like this you know where um Hot Rod and…

01:21:59.65
Big Jon Bass: Now go on.

01:22:03.47
Ricky: cop. ah I think they're called the Quintessons where they're they're the judges and he says guilty or innocent. And then he says, innocent. and then he drop I never got that bit, actually.

01:22:13.84
Ricky: He says innocent and then he drops him.

01:22:16.12
Big Jon Bass: Yeah. So when I was a kid, i was weirdly, I was thinking about this last night. So just for reference, if you haven't seen it. They get captured and then there's like these fake trials, these like spinning head thing is like judge and jury.

01:22:26.24
Ricky: Yeah.

01:22:27.52
Big Jon Bass: And they get executed by getting dropped into a pool of like what are basically robot piranhas.

01:22:32.03
Ricky: ya Yeah, yeah, yeah

01:22:32.63
Big Jon Bass: They're savage. They're massive.

01:22:34.12
Ricky: Eh.

01:22:33.87
Big Jon Bass: They're like the size of a like VW Polo. But they're like…

01:22:37.76
Ricky: ah

01:22:37.59
Big Jon Bass: they're sort of machine eating monsters anyway when they go up there And they're like, guilty or innocent. And no matter what they say, they get dropped in. So when I was a kid, I was like, I don't think I understand what innocent means.

01:22:45.48
Ricky: Yes.

01:22:48.76
Ricky: Nice.

01:22:49.86
Big Jon Bass: because I was like I thought that was the opposite.

01:22:49.35
Ricky: Yeah.

01:22:52.30
Ricky: Yeah.

01:22:52.33
Big Jon Bass: But it seemed like it isn't, right? But when I was like… Watching it yesterday, I was like, yeah, but that's the point. The point is basically that it doesn't matter what they have because… like they're just going to drop him in anyway, and that's part of the the part of the joke.

01:23:03.53
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah

01:23:05.11
Big Jon Bass: But that's why there's like a good… There's a good line when… hot rod starts kicking up a fuss and they're like silence before we hold you in contempt and then he's like i have nothing but content for this court it's so good you're like yeah go on mate

01:23:16.56
Ricky: Yeah.

01:23:19.21
Big Jon Bass: give it Give it back to them.

01:23:19.35
Ricky: it's quality I remember that when I was watching it yesterday and he said that line I was just like this is fucking quality

01:23:21.21
Big Jon Bass: it's It's really good.

01:23:26.09
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, and there's another one with the other robot when he just goes, what is this mockery of justice?

01:23:29.69
Ricky: It's just… yeah

01:23:30.96
Big Jon Bass: It cracks me up.

01:23:33.04
Ricky: ah

01:23:32.35
Big Jon Bass: really good He just gets folded in. And then, yeah, they've got to battle their way out of that.

01:23:34.85
Ricky: Yeah.

01:23:36.90
Big Jon Bass: And then again, another great fight scene. Hot Rod. Show him what an absolute geezer is. I sent you and Flav the video yesterday. or one of these like VW Golf. that polo sized like piran is tries to attack him and he just fucking hammers him with a right hander and just shats all of his teeth and I was like, wow, that's such a good one.

01:23:50.53
Ricky: See? yeah Yeah.

01:23:56.77
Big Jon Bass: like this Again, there's loads of good deaths, but that one was just such a good light so visceral, just thinks, I'm not going to shoot him or drive into him. I'm just going to punch him straight in the face. It's golly.

01:24:04.77
Ricky: Yeah, it's it's quality. and the The bit just before, when they're in there, dropped in the pool and they're like, fuck, what are we going to do? And he's like, I will hold a derby. And they transform and then they just spinning round and round, like ah driving really fast and the water swells.

01:24:13.25
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

01:24:19.73
Ricky: And then they just bounce out and then they transform.

01:24:19.78
Big Jon Bass: Kole.

01:24:23.14
Ricky: And then these fucking things. not Hundreds of them. ah Start trying to. kill them and obviously they They… fight them and then the dino bots come oh There's loads to talk about.

01:24:33.85
Big Jon Bass: So much time.

01:24:34.53
Ricky: So much, man. This film is insane. I think we're just going to have to get to the end.

01:24:40.77
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, that that was my note though yesterday because it got half an hour in. I was like, Jesus, this is like, there's so much happened in this half an hour. And I was like, there's still an hour left. It's nonstop. like there's no like

01:24:50.41
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

01:24:52.39
Big Jon Bass: you know like in films now there'll be like a pause where they sit around they chat a little bit and it's tough there is no breathers in this film it's relentless and as an adult it was a bit like god this is quite a lot to keep up with but

01:24:55.88
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah

01:25:02.92
Big Jon Bass: the pace of it is what makes it also so exciting so yeah there are there are we've not talked about the junk planet or like loads of others there's so much to talk about because they pack so much in and that's what makes it a great film as well

01:25:11.72
Ricky: Yeah, there is.

01:25:16.01
Ricky: Do you think they did that because it's it's a kid's film and to to keep interest that they have to keep dropping storylines and characters and different things just to, you know, like ah with TikTok, like you're scrolling TikTok, you've got to say something mad or something fucking.

01:25:27.43
Big Jon Bass: m

01:25:32.07
Ricky: cruel or just you know whatever just that attention keeping that attention

01:25:36.83
Big Jon Bass: I think there's a bit of that, but I actually think that… because it was 1986 and they don't have they don't necessarily like have to follow the formulas of what like works you know like now there's like sort of these are the type of films get made that are for a certain order and they sort of figured it all out and they've made it a little bit sanitized and a little bit boring because they just know what works

01:25:49.97
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

01:25:56.23
Big Jon Bass: I think they were like, oh, and then they could do this, and then they could do that, and they're like, yeah, that's fucking cool. And then what about if they were like giant piranhas? Yeah, that's fucking cool. Put that in. What if it was a junk planet, and they're like Transformers, but they could just build themselves into anything because it's junk? Yeah, fucking add that in as well. And they just went, every good idea is going in.

01:26:10.29
Big Jon Bass: Like, we don't care if it seems busy or the pacing's off. What about if we killed the most important character in the first 30 minutes? Yeah, fuck it, because it's cool. All right. Should we have the baddies killing people straight away? Yeah. Why? Because it's cool.

01:26:21.63
Big Jon Bass: And they just went, whatever's cool. We'll just add that in.

01:26:23.65
Ricky: Let's just do it, yeah.

01:26:24.60
Big Jon Bass: Are we going to have the Transformers? Yeah, but we'll also have a massive planet that eats planets. What?

01:26:28.79
Ricky: ah

01:26:29.09
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, we'll have that as well. All right. Why? Because it's cool. So they just shoved as much cool shit in in an hour and a half as they could do.

01:26:33.31
Ricky: this

01:26:37.18
Big Jon Bass: And it's all the better for it. I think if you, I mean, you've seen it with the modern version of today. like the first Transformers movie, the one that came out in the mid-naughties.

01:26:44.65
Ricky: Mmm.

01:26:45.68
Big Jon Bass: They tried to make that a more coherent movie, and it's nowhere near as good. It's nowhere near as good.

01:26:49.38
Ricky: Yeah. I hate those films, I just have to say.

01:26:52.16
Big Jon Bass: You have to shine.

01:26:52.51
Ricky: They're absolutely shite.

01:26:53.14
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, that's right.

01:26:54.64
Ricky: um So where we are, we're at the… you know, coming to the. The end now. And… So Galvatron.

01:27:05.47
Ricky: He… I think he he then he kills Ultra Magnus. He takes the… um Matrix of leadership.

01:27:16.58
Ricky: And… He is wearing it around his neck. And he's taunting Unicron to say, like, you were my boss, but I'm now…

01:27:24.60
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

01:27:24.46
Ricky: Your boss. you're You're now my bitch.

01:27:26.69
Big Jon Bass: Which is ledge by the way

01:27:27.60
Ricky: yeah and unicron is not fucking happy

01:27:30.60
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

01:27:30.82
Ricky: And he's like, okay, yeah, I'm i'm your bitch, am I? Um… this planet. this huge planet that's eating other planets that you just believe is a planet All of a sudden…

01:27:43.62
Ricky: starts the different parts of him starts moving and you're like what the fuck is going on And then this giant planet transforms into the biggest fucking robot you've ever seen. And you're like.

01:27:56.71
Ricky: Holy shit, I didn't know. That was going to happen. Fuck. So he transforms and then he just picks up Galvatron between his thumb and finger.

01:28:07.77
Ricky: and it just And then just swallows him.

01:28:09.74
Big Jon Bass: Yes, geez.

01:28:09.87
Ricky: Ow. So Galvatron is lost. somewhere inside Unicron. The Autobots are on spaceships. and they are going to They don't know how but they're going to take down Unicron.

01:28:23.87
Ricky: And they start flying towards him. And… They fly through one of Unicron's eyes, smashes through, and then the Autobots fall out.

01:28:37.53
Ricky: And then there is a big kind of another siege where there's… autobots they're trying to take down a unicron uh there's lots fighting on the outside not really making any um Progress.

01:28:50.89
Ricky: Really? And then… comes down to the… the final kind of a showdown. where hot rod is with the rest of the autobots lost somewhere inside unicron they get split up So Hot Rod is just on his own, wandering around this giant robot. doesn't know where he is.

01:29:10.08
Ricky: And the rest of the Autobots are with each other. and then Galvatron It is somewhere. in this robot as well. And they kind of both come face to face in this dark and I don't know if it's just the room. It's just where.

01:29:24.55
Ricky: I don't know, where where they're just somewhere in Unicron.

01:29:28.06
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, inside him.

01:29:29.17
Ricky: it inside him and Galvatron

01:29:29.23
Big Jon Bass: There's massive body.

01:29:32.15
Ricky: And hot rod. Then start. Jeweling. And it's there. where you kind of realise… and have this thing of It's only Megatron and Optimus Prime that fight because they're the leaders, but… Yet.

01:29:49.39
Ricky: Hot rod. is now… Taking the leadership role. And he's fighting Galvatron. So… at that point you're kind of like okay this and obviously you know it's kind of getting near the end of the film anyway But they start duking it out.

01:30:06.87
Ricky: And Hot Rod starts getting the upper hand on Galvatron. And then Galvatron fires back at Hot Rod. And then Galvatron gets hold of Hot Rod. and has his hands around his throat and starts killing him.

01:30:20.65
Ricky: Start strangling him. And then Hot Royal is like, you can see that he is is getting choked out, basically. And he sees the leadership of Matrix hanging from Galvatron's neck.

01:30:35.06
Ricky: And he… Gets his hands around the handle And he starts pulling it apart. And… It starts working. It starts disconnecting. So this leadership of Matrix was supposed to, or is supposed to, light the Autobots' darkest hour. So you've got this massive planet eating…

01:30:55.41
Ricky: Uh, planet that's now transformed into a robot that is absolutely smashing their home planet Cybertron to pieces. The other Autobots are trying to slow it down. um and take him out not really going that well And Galvatron is slowly choking out.

01:31:14.65
Ricky: one of… uh the ibot's lead characters or turning into the like the the main guy And he unleashes the power of… The Matrix.

01:31:26.28
Ricky: And as he does that. Galvatron. then i don't know if he just like let's go or something like that He comes away from Hot Rod. And I think hot and then he tries to open it and then Galvatron shoots him and it falls on the floor and then he gets it again.

01:31:43.38
Ricky: puts his fingers through the clasp to open it properly.

01:31:45.75
Big Jon Bass: Yes.

01:31:47.70
Ricky: And then… I can't remember. Does he say light our darkest hour as he's doing it? 01:31:51.100 Big Jon Bass Yeah. yeah it does and he's like light our darkest and he says something like prime you said it would light our darkest hour and then and then it's like dan dan du du and then you can hear you've got the touch as he opens it

01:32:04.54
Ricky: Uh, yeah.

01:32:05.51
Big Jon Bass: And what is so sick about that scene… is they basically do like an action replay from like three different angles. So you see him open it like front on, then you get one from the side of him opening it again, and then one further back with him opening it again with like the the same, and you mentioned it earlier, the same sort of glowing colours and light that we saw for a glimpse earlier on, like it was his destiny.

01:32:12.47
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

01:32:25.06
Ricky: Yeah, yeah

01:32:28.66
Big Jon Bass: to fulfill.

01:32:28.59
Ricky: Yes.

01:32:29.82
Big Jon Bass: And he manages to do it in that moment. which is which is absolutely quality. And he transforms essentially from… Uh, Hot Rod 2.

01:32:40.91
Ricky: Yeah.

01:32:41.67
Big Jon Bass: Rodimus Prime.

01:32:42.91
Ricky: Yeah.

01:32:44.22
Big Jon Bass: And now we're like, oh shit, the Autobots have got a new leader and he's massive now.

01:32:49.35
Ricky: Yeah.

01:32:49.22
Big Jon Bass: because he's like he's got a hench. It's like steroids for Transformers.

01:32:52.97
Ricky: ah

01:32:53.84
Big Jon Bass: And going back to my earlier point about… you know, Galvatron is also a cannon. That's what he turns into, it like ah a front-facing cannon.

01:33:00.83
Ricky: Yes.

01:33:01.52
Big Jon Bass: And there is actually one cool bit when he starts firing at Hot Rod, and he's still got the chain around the end of the barrel of the cannon, and it looks quality.

01:33:01.73
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

01:33:07.66
Ricky: Yeah.

01:33:10.19
Big Jon Bass: But he…

01:33:10.44
Ricky: Oh.

01:33:11.05
Big Jon Bass: Oh, that's Megatron. Why is he lagging me off?

01:33:12.29
Ricky: ah

01:33:14.41
Big Jon Bass: So that… So later on when, you know, I mentioned before Optimus Prime is like the lorry. He can like take people with him and he can take them on the journey. When Rodimus Prime… becomes into being he also is like a big people carrier he's like got he's like got this massive body now where he can get the other transformers and like again metaphorically kind of take them on the journey as the new

01:33:35.72
Ricky: ya Yeah yeah.

01:33:36.70
Big Jon Bass: as the new leader. I thought it was an interesting choice because he's the coolest car, but when he becomes Rodimus Prime, he doesn't stay as a car.

01:33:41.10
Ricky: For sure.

01:33:42.89
Big Jon Bass: he He sort of… it sort of shows the growth and development of you know When you're a young man, you want a cool, fast car.

01:33:47.26
Ricky: Yeah.

01:33:50.33
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:33:50.64
Big Jon Bass: When you get older, big sensible lorry.

01:33:53.07
Ricky: Yeah.

01:33:53.45
Big Jon Bass: that's That's what real leaders are.

01:33:55.31
Ricky: And then he gets his trailer out of nowhere as he's driving away.

01:33:57.67
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

01:33:57.95
Ricky: It's like, fucking hell, shit.

01:33:59.48
Big Jon Bass: Which is sick, and he's just It's just now an absolute G.

01:34:00.82
Ricky: Yeah. and

01:34:03.92
Ricky: um And I… Obviously, as Rodimus, now Rodimus Prime, as he opens the Matrix. That, um… kills Unicron from the from the inside out. starts tearing them apart.

01:34:16.93
Ricky: And Rodimus Prime. Then grabs Galvatron. and froze him, just froze him through the air. He goes through the side of Unicron and is just hurtling into space.

01:34:28.73
Ricky: I always thought that was a bit weak, that ending, that bit.

01:34:31.13
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, and also it's a bit weird that basically like… There's no actually defining thing that kills Unicron. It's just like, just because… Rodimus Prime becomes Rodimus Prime suddenly just dies and they drive out of his other eye and that's enough to just do him in

01:34:44.65
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

01:34:45.70
Big Jon Bass: I always thought it was like, no.

01:34:46.57
Ricky: and

01:34:46.95
Big Jon Bass: like surely now he can like punch his heart or blow him up or something but he doesn't they just sort of he's like yeah i'm the boss now see you later out of his eye oh no i'm dead

01:34:55.05
Ricky: Hey.

01:34:55.57
Big Jon Bass: and it was a Watching it back yesterday, as much as I love Orson Welles, that… it just sounds really funny was when unicron's just going destiny you cannot destroy my Destiny!

01:35:03.43
Ricky: Hey.

01:35:06.34
Ricky: Yeah.

01:35:07.41
Big Jon Bass: It's like, what are you on about? What are you waffling on about, mate?

01:35:10.69
Ricky: Uh…

01:35:10.90
Big Jon Bass: It was just really random. But i did i did enjoy I did enjoy that ending because… You get. the payoff of like I said, the hero's journey, right?

01:35:21.00
Ricky: Yeah.

01:35:21.13
Big Jon Bass: Like Hot Rod's seen his mentor and his leader dying. It was his fault. He then goes on this thing. And as he's on this journey, he like starts to bond with cup who's been around the block and he starts to listen he starts to learn he starts to develop as a character and putting in other people first and then by the end of it take the reins and lead them into the light into this next phase it's like ah it's a nice symmetry in a way um to move it forward I also think there's a really cool bit when Unicron picks up.

01:35:48.87
Big Jon Bass: Galvatron because Galvatron is basically now like

01:35:49.86
Ricky: Yeah.

01:35:51.24
Big Jon Bass: you thought you were going to use me to get this weapon but i'm going to use the weapon against you

01:35:54.88
Ricky: Yeah.

01:35:55.81
Big Jon Bass: is what he says to him was so, so gully from… unicron as he's basically like right now you've tried to mug me off i'm going to fucking destroy your planet and make you watch

01:36:06.54
Ricky: Yeah. yeah

01:36:08.26
Big Jon Bass: And he's absolutely savage. And he's like, I'm not going to destroy it in the normal way either. I'm going to destroy it in this much cooler, massive way.

01:36:13.36
Ricky: Yeah.

01:36:16.34
Ricky: Eh.

01:36:15.87
Big Jon Bass: And again… In the writer's room, they're like, so he's just a big planet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what if he could transform at the end into like a massive transformer and then smash up a planet?

01:36:23.92
Ricky: Yeah.

01:36:25.44
Big Jon Bass: Fucking yes. Add that in. Why? because it's cool.

01:36:27.38
Ricky: ah

01:36:29.23
Big Jon Bass: because then there was no need for that but it's such a good reveal of like oh shit he's like a giant mega transformer and watching him just absolutely light up the city was just brilliant and yet The end. There's another great bit as well when they…

01:36:42.84
Big Jon Bass: They finally defeat him. And then. He's like, my destiny. And his head blows off.

01:36:47.48
Ricky: Yeah.

01:36:48.05
Big Jon Bass: As his head, like, comes, sort of swoops past the camera as we're watching it in shot, and it just stops in midair, like, back facing us.

01:36:51.58
Ricky: Yeah.

01:36:55.74
Big Jon Bass: And then you just hear the dun-dun-dun-dun-dun Transformers theme come in.

01:36:57.85
Ricky: Yeah.

01:36:58.98
Big Jon Bass: It's Transformers! And it's just gully.

01:37:00.50
Ricky: ah

01:37:00.86
Big Jon Bass: And then, like, the title's wrong. You're like, what the fuck? Again, it feels like it ends, like, at almost like a beginning of a new thing.

01:37:05.84
Ricky: Yeah.

01:37:08.44
Big Jon Bass: And so again, for me, it's that perfect thing of. and watch the best bit. of this thing. i don't need Whatever happens now, I don't care. Optimus optimus Prime's gone.

01:37:15.51
Ricky: Yeah, yeah.

01:37:16.93
Big Jon Bass: Rodimus Prime's the leader. and That's concluded. They've killed the bat the baddest thing you're ever going to see in Unicron. He's gone.

01:37:22.96
Ricky: Yeah.

01:37:23.23
Big Jon Bass: They've fucked up Megatron, fucked up Galvatron. So, what quality. That was great.

01:37:27.01
Ricky: hey

01:37:27.34
Big Jon Bass: Thanks very much. See you later. See you next week. Don't need to watch at anything else. I just watch this every week.

01:37:32.03
Ricky: that

01:37:33.13
Big Jon Bass: Perfect.

01:37:34.01
Ricky: They just watch us every week.

01:37:36.31
Big Jon Bass: i must so I must have watched it a hundred times easily.

01:37:38.76
Ricky: yeah yeah yeah a lot and I went to the cinema to watch it yesterday And what I will say is before we finish. um i When I went to watch it at the cinema… I thought it was going to be like 4K.

01:37:52.12
Ricky: remastered soundtrack and all of that lot. And when I went there. It looked like… They had. just put a DVD on. and a projector.

01:38:03.80
Ricky: Anne. it was some of the like Some of the scenes in it, like the robots, like were like pretty blurry. And I was like, fuck, man.

01:38:09.81
Big Jon Bass: Hmm.

01:38:10.65
Ricky: i thought it'd be… I thought it'd be a lot cleaner, a bit more sharper.

01:38:14.46
Big Jon Bass: That's a shame.

01:38:14.78
Ricky: than what it was, which was a bit of a shame. And the sound as well, it sounded like they'd put a sound bar. Like I thought it was going to be like. You know how quality the 80s soundtrack, the s simps.

01:38:26.18
Big Jon Bass: as the best.

01:38:26.67
Ricky: ah and guitars and rock music and all of that with it. I thought I'd get that full kind of like in my seat. And it's surround sound and I'm fucked with it.

01:38:38.44
Ricky: it wasn't wasn't at all like there was a part I said, cause I watched it with my cousin and he said to me, there was a part where I was going to go to the entrance and say, can you can you turn it up or is there something wrong with the sound

01:38:48.28
Big Jon Bass: I know, Beth. Oh shit.

01:38:50.48
Ricky: And um his brother, like my my other cousin, he watched it in in London, same same kind of ah time. And we mentioned it to him that ours is quite low. And he said his was exactly the same.

01:39:02.87
Ricky: Say…

01:39:03.05
Big Jon Bass: So they didn't bother remastering it or doing the audio. They've just they've just gone, ah, here you go, spend double. the price of the tickets and go and watch it again which is a shame so you feel like with ai and like upscaling

01:39:08.15
Ricky: Yeah, exactly

01:39:13.62
Big Jon Bass: stuff that you could just like make it look HD.

01:39:16.17
Ricky: Yeah.

01:39:16.44
Big Jon Bass: like I don't want them to change the animation style because I much prefer that to a modern style, but just make it crisper and sharper and like redo the sound. um If someone did that, then… They'd be laughing.

01:39:27.27
Ricky: Oh mate, it'd be fucking great. That's what I thought it would be.

01:39:30.05
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, that's what I thought it was going to be.

01:39:31.74
Ricky: But it it wasn't, John.

01:39:33.02
Big Jon Bass: Mmm, pranks. 01:39:32.100 Ricky It's a little bit disappointing

01:39:34.62
Big Jon Bass: That is pretty good. The Decepticon's up to no good, as usual.

01:39:36.39
Ricky: ah ah ah I'm aware how long we've gone on for. I'm not going to do something only you know. That will be back next week. ah The topic for next week, we've mentioned it before.

01:39:49.52
Ricky: Um… And we didn't do it. We did in between this instead, but we are going to be going back to American serial killers. So yeah.

01:39:57.28
Big Jon Bass: Right.

01:39:57.90
Ricky: We're going to list our top 10. ah Flav kept calling them rock stars in comparison to us.

01:40:05.71
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, they are loads better.

01:40:05.78
Ricky: ah ah They are.

01:40:07.39
Big Jon Bass: All right.

01:40:07.50
Ricky: They are. I mean.

01:40:09.54
Big Jon Bass: What is it about?

01:40:09.78
Ricky: Ted Bundy is…

01:40:10.50
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, man. bun Bundy's doing bits.

01:40:11.70
Ricky: Yeah.

01:40:12.62
Big Jon Bass: Dharma's doing bits.

01:40:13.70
Ricky: Yeah.

01:40:14.71
Big Jon Bass: What's his name? Rodriguez, the Night Stalker. He was fucking mental.

01:40:17.73
Ricky: Yeah.

01:40:19.56
Big Jon Bass: um add game

01:40:20.64
Ricky: Yeah, it's just bigger and better over there.

01:40:21.24
Big Jon Bass: my They just know how to do it. They're better at the marketing. You know what I mean?

01:40:25.06
Ricky: Yeah.

01:40:25.84
Big Jon Bass: Who have we got? Harold Shipman. What did he do?

01:40:27.15
Ricky: Yeah.

01:40:27.50
Big Jon Bass: Kill a load of old biddies? No thanks, mate. like At least eat them.

01:40:31.65
Ricky: Yeah.

01:40:31.90
Big Jon Bass: If you're gonna do it, do it properly, do you know what I mean?

01:40:33.52
Ricky: that we We got the Wests, Fred West, like he he was pretty…

01:40:36.04
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

01:40:37.83
Ricky: Pretty handy.

01:40:38.02
Big Jon Bass: Yeah. He was pretty good, yeah. He wasn't bad. Jack the Ripper was obviously well up there.

01:40:42.09
Ricky: Yeah.

01:40:42.80
Big Jon Bass: never been caught he's more in a sort of zodiac sort of level Like.

01:40:45.74
Ricky: Yeah.

01:40:46.69
Big Jon Bass: just like mythical. vibes. If you're just known. by your moniker and not by your actual name, that's pretty gully.

01:40:53.44
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah that is.

01:40:54.59
Big Jon Bass: As it goes, you know what I mean? we don't know who he is so

01:40:57.27
Ricky: ah

01:40:57.45
Big Jon Bass: She's got the ripper in her. So that's pretty good. yeah that is cool but yeah americans are they are better at serial killing i'd say in general

01:41:05.19
Ricky: yeah for sure sure that that is the one thing they've got over us

01:41:08.93
Big Jon Bass: Yeah, that's it.

01:41:09.35
Ricky: to be fair.

01:41:10.13
Big Jon Bass: yeah and that's it

01:41:11.15
Ricky: So if you've got any stories or anything else that you want to add to. The topic next week of American serial killers. Send an email in to lads are non. pod at gmail .com.

01:41:25.59
Ricky: John.

01:41:26.49
Big Jon Bass: Mm.

01:41:26.32
Ricky: Thank you so much for coming on. And we were like… We've. It feels like it's just been a um ah quick walking tour, but like… it's It's already gone on.

01:41:37.04
Ricky: for far longer than I expected.

01:41:40.45
Big Jon Bass: Yeah.

01:41:41.45
Ricky: Before we go…

01:41:42.50
Big Jon Bass: m

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Ricky: Where can people get more? Big John Bass.

01:41:47.39
Big Jon Bass: Well, if you i mean if you've listened to this and you've never… like heard me before. that That would shock me. Not because I'm like everywhere, but I feel like wherever Ricky is, I'm sort of lurking in the background to like getting involved in some way, shape or form. But yeah, you can you can follow me on Instagram.

01:42:04.26
Big Jon Bass: TikTok. and X as it's known these days all the same handle

01:42:07.68
Ricky: Yeah.

01:42:08.99
Big Jon Bass: at TheRealJohnBass, J-O-N-B-A-S-S. We've got my own Spurs pod, if you want to listen to that, if that takes your fancy. Big John Bass show.

01:42:18.06
Ricky: Yep.

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Big Jon Bass: It's also got a Patreon as well, so if you want you know even more content. you can get me on there

01:42:22.16
Ricky: Yep.

01:42:23.46
Big Jon Bass: um and then yeah just floating about on other people's pods talking about you know transformers and shit so Yeah.

01:42:29.69
Ricky: And. I will be putting all of John's links in the show description anyway.

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Big Jon Bass: Legend.

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Ricky: So if you want to check him out on social, you want to check the john but big Jon Bass show out as well. you You'll have all the links. Easy to to easy to find it. Jon doesn't know this as of yet. But we will be doing.

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Ricky: Another pod. on Band of Brothers and Sopranos. And these are, this is John's Wheelhouse. as as well as mine. So we will be, John will be coming back on the show, even though I haven't asked him to, and I'm just assuming.

01:43:02.49
Ricky: so

01:43:03.15
Big Jon Bass: Anything for you Rick, you know that mate.

01:43:04.43
Ricky: There you go.

01:43:04.64
Big Jon Bass: Especially if it's if it's Band of Brothers and Sopranos.

01:43:07.09
Ricky: Yeah, there you go.

01:43:07.08
Big Jon Bass: I'm there anyway. I'll just turn up. I'll be like. I'm like, all right, boys.

01:43:11.93
Ricky: ah

01:43:11.93
Big Jon Bass: andre Oh, come on. Didn't know how you got the link. Don't worry about that, mate. I'm here.

01:43:14.91
Ricky: ah ah

01:43:16.49
Big Jon Bass: be like fucking spears coming over the elbow you can't stop me

01:43:21.29
Ricky: Quality. Yeah. Thanks for listening, guys. See you soon.