#162 | Nostalgia | Was Everything Better Back Then?

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Ricky: I worked it out earlier.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: We've not spoken. in three weeks or at least we've not done a pod in three weeks

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Flav: three.

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Ricky: Hi. how do you feel do you feel better for it that don't and i don't say better for it don't

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Flav: Uh…

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Ricky: Tell me you miss me.

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Flav: Nah.

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Ricky: Tell me you've loved me.

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Flav: and yeah no um well we have been talking every day and what's happened that

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Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

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Flav: But, uh… Yeah of course. um I miss you, Rick.

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Ricky: you That doesn't sound sincere. Shout it.

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Flav: Uh.

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Flav: I don't know what to say. I've done like a million podcasts in the last three, so it doesn't feel like I haven't been podcasting.

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Ricky: my I, um…

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Flav: Did you have a good holiday?

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Ricky: I did have a good holiday. day

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Flav: You caught the sun. You caught the sun the minute you landed. It was just like… suddenly… Browner.

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Ricky: but Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Flav: Wasn't it? weren't It was quick.

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Ricky: Yeah, my mum came round yesterday and she was just like, I can't stop looking at your legs and how… black they are.

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Flav: Are your legs are blacker than your head?

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Ricky: Like. Well, I think both I think it's the same

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Flav: Same colour as a peen now, probably.

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Ricky: Probably.

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Flav: What?

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Ricky: Hopefully.

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Flav: No, you can see you've got something on your head, but…

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: Um… It's just ah miraculous to me how quickly you… go brown whereas I don't go brown.

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Ricky: and like let me sit let me Can I show you my white bits?

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Flav: What do you mean?

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Ricky: No.

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Flav: You're awesome.

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Ricky: I can't read. I don't know if you can see that

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Flav: Oh yeah. You've been wearing… You've been wearing Speedos, haven't you?

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Ricky: Nah. I… I… 00:01:32.100 Flav Nah. No.

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Ricky: I bought these new swim shorts, right? And um they've got like these little. Metal. and the toggles. and I was laying in the sun Boiling hot. Sweating.

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Ricky: And every so often… I was getting bitten. And I was like, oh, fuck, fuck, what's that? What's that?

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: It worked out. The sun was warming up the metal toggles and then when I was moving it was laying on my stomach and then burning me.

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Flav: ah

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Ricky: fuck meant I thought there was loads of ants on me.

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Flav: ah

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Ricky: I was like, what the fuck's going on here?

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Flav: So… Where lot was it?

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Ricky: Yeah, it was boiling.

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Flav: So hard. I… I… See? There was a lady. On the back of the offices, there are two residential houses. And… um Someone had died in one of the houses, right?

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Flav: And there was ah like ah that their family had come over.

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Ricky: oh

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Flav: And there's an American lady and I was talking to her. And I was like, is this feel does it feel like… This heat. Yesterday it was like 34 or something like that.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: He said, this this is is this what it feels like when you're in the States? He's like, no, it's nothing like this. This is completely different. It's completely different. You said there are parts that are humid in in the States, but where we live, I think they're in…

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Flav: Vancouver or something like that.

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Ricky: Right.

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Flav: it's what It's hot, but it's like you can breathe and move. do activities and stuff in it but In this heat, you can't do fuck all. No, I won't.

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Ricky: ah so Yeah, so… in spain it was like maybe like let's say average 33. And… um It was hot. I was sweating. I was sunbathing.

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Ricky: Back here is i don't know what it is i am really struggling and i love the sun i love the heat ah Bring it on. Hotter, I say.

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Flav: It's not sun and heat, it's not that that's the problem, it's the… It's how difficult it is to breathe.

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Ricky: Yeah. Like, I was eating my dinner last night, just had a pair of shorts on. that's it eating my dinner and i felt sweat roll down my back and i was like i've had enough now that's that that was the that was the bit that i was like right this has got to stop

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Flav: Yeah. All right.

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Flav: ah You know… you know yes You know the other day there was like a little derail dog. On the uh…

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: Where was it? east West Sussex, which is not far from London for those that don't know.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: But it's very rare for… a train to come off its tracks and turn on its side and that's what happened Luckily, no one died.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: But Ricky sent these pictures obviously to get an ITK from Network Rail because he used the work there. And Ricky's sending these pictures of this. thing and I'm on a train as he's sending them in.

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Ricky: I had no idea.

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Flav: no 00:04:06.100 Ricky If I'd known, I wouldn't have obviously sent that in.

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Flav: and I just sent a video of my train pulling away from a station.

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Ricky: if

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Flav: Um, And. This train… It's AC had broken down. It wasn't capable. and So the the the weird irony of AC in this country.

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Flav: is that the hotter and more humid it gets. the less they work. So… You know, you'll go into a supermarket and they'll manually close down some… 00:04:35.100 Flav um some of the freezing units or cooling units.

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Ricky: Yeah. Oh yeah yeah yeah.

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Flav: to power the other ones. So…

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Ricky: Right.

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Flav: they They make a decision to shut some down because they can't can't cope with the humidity. It stops working, starts working basically. So they select the ones that really need the cold and to close off. the Anyway, on this train, there was only one carriage that had ah AC and the rest hadn't.

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Ricky: oh my god

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Flav: I met Tim from Away Days, by the way. Do you remember Tim White-Aced?

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see him.

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Flav: Too much buzz all the time.

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Ricky: Yeah, same experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Flav: Yeah, he was on he was just on Birmingham New Street. uh station as i was changing and i was like oh hello mate

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Ricky: Shit, boy.

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Flav: So we both got the train home. ah He was going back to Worcestershire and I was going down to Bristol. but It had no AC. So I was just sitting there on this train. And I've got to say. Imagine how hot it was outside.

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah

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Flav: and you're sitting in a box with glass windows just letting the heating and trapping everything

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Ricky: loads of other people, body heat and that.

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Flav: People would… dripping. It was dripping off everybody.

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Ricky: Yeah. That is just fucking…

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Flav: I was hoping it would derail and kill us all.

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Ricky: Grim. ah ah Did you see that there was another derail as well?

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Flav: Yeah, and Where was that one in Essex?

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Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

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Flav: What's going on, Rick?

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Ricky: ah The thing is, right.

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Flav: tracks.

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Ricky: um I don't know. And the… They… They come out and they say that we're investigating. So they can't say anything until they've done their full and investigation.

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Flav: yeah but you look at it and go well the track's bent it's the track Or the the ground gave way. Like, that's the investigation.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: How long the fuck does it take? Look at it, go, oh, it's that.

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Ricky: yeah Yeah, exactly. yeah Yeah.

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Flav: But you won't hear or but for it for another week.

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Ricky: That's exactly what I thought. but Yeah, something like that. It's mental. ah I mean the sustained heat that we're having. one would assume it was like a buckled rail or something like that.

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Flav: What? Ricky, what you used to work for the network, Raoul.

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Ricky: Adagio.

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Flav: They're like the last people to respond to it actually happening, aren't they?

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Ricky: Um… ah

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Flav: It was getting news through of pictures and Twitter and then still not said anything. You're like.

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Ricky: I mean…

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Flav: is It's out the bag.

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Ricky: like

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Flav: The cat is out the bag.

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Ricky: that It is my old company ah and I still have ah colleagues there. Um,

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Flav: What are you going to do? They've sacked you, Rick. Well, you've fucked them.

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Ricky: Well, yeah, I know.

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Flav: They sat you in two trains of confidence.

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Ricky: And…

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Flav: You don't have to defend.

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Ricky: i had i had got I kept checking Network Rail's Twitter because they're the manager of the infrastructure and it happened like two or three hours ago and nothing had come out and I was like, this is…

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: This is not good.

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Flav: Just tweet something saying… train has derailed, we're investigating.

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Ricky: yeah that They're taught to do that.

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Flav: Don't say nothing.

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Ricky: We're aware of the situation where there was nothing.

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Flav: Right. But Rick, I'm… So, this train… We were waiting at Birmingham and it's like you've got one train that was at Birmingham New Street going to Manchester. And i another train waiting to come in.

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Flav: ah Going to Bristol? And the train in the station was broken down. ah I assume it's broken down. No one was telling us what was actually happening.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: So we're staring at this. board it's already 17 minutes late the train is at the station And no one is saying anything.

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Ricky: and

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Flav: Like all people want in this moment is information. We just want, is this train going to move?

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: just Tell us what's going on.

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Ricky: Yeah, he yeah. You know…

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Flav: But I don't.

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Ricky: You don't even…

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Flav: and And if you go up to them, they look at you like a piece of shit if you dare ask them a question. Don't dare ask a customer service person a question about a train.

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Ricky: The thing is as well, with this, you don't even need to know if the train is broken or you don't need to know what what the issue is or anything like that all you need to know is start planning for another route.

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Ricky: do Do that. And you can be like, right, okay, I can work with that. I can get a taxi to this place and I can get another train or I can do something. But the silence of…

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Flav: Whoa.

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Ricky: shocking of I don't know.

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Flav: We don't know. We haven't heard.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: Someone's heard. Someone knows at this station.

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Ricky: You've got radio on.

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Flav: and the Oh, my God.

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Ricky: Do something! in Use that!

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Flav: Yeah. And the thing is, is ah my my train was fine.

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Ricky: Give me a walkie-talkie.

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Flav: It was just waiting for this fucker to move. And eventually they moved it over to another ah platform.

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Ricky: Oh, dearie me.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: It's… um

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Flav: Tim would be listening to this. He's listening to me as I bumped into him.

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Ricky: No way!

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Flav: Yeah, this is episode of the lab.

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Ricky: Oh, nice.

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Flav: He listens to this as well.

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Ricky: Good lads!

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Flav: Say hello, Tim.

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Ricky: Hi, Tim. I'd see you at every home game.

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Flav: but

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Ricky: So…

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Flav: ah

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Ricky: ah ah Right, right, I'm going to run the jingle.

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Ricky: Hello and welcome to Lads Anonymous, it's episode 162. I'm Ricky, he's Flav, two best mates, one main topic, we answer your life dilemmas and confessions in our feature, Something Only You Know, and everything remains anonymous, always, so sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast.

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Ricky: I do want to say quickly, before we get going.

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Flav: Hmm.

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Ricky: um A massive thank you to Jack. And to Bardi, who came on Lads a couple of weeks ago. Barney did the Pablo Escobar.

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Ricky: episode which is very different to what we normally do And it was more telling the story of the side from. um how Colombians think of Pablo. and more.

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Ricky: ah from the town where he you know, ruled.

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Flav: Oh. What?

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Ricky: Median.

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Flav: how How? How did they?

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Ricky: Not good mate. terrorist is what they call him But yeah, the the kind of the t-shirts and the… all of that stuff that they sell with his face on and…

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Flav: The memes and stuff.

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Ricky: Yeah, no. Not good. Naked.

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Flav: No bueno.

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Ricky: No, no, no.

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Flav: No, Ben, no.

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Ricky: And the pod. with jack The Great Outdoors. Very funny episode.

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Flav: I think this is a bit miffed

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Ricky: Yeah, he was

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Flav: Given that he is the most outdoorsy person on planet.

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was miffed.

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Flav: You spoke to Jack instead of… Alright.

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah.

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Flav: He said he had to go for a walk to calm down.

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Ricky: um

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Flav: Outside.

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Ricky: outside we inspired him to go outside so you know that you know he's He's the winner in that one. I think you're fine.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: But yes, lads, thank you very much for um jumping on, lads. Both excellent episodes. Did you did you ah get involved in the old solar eclipse?

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Flav: No.

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Ricky: You have a little look.

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Flav: Nah.

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Ricky: No, well, you just not even have a little peep outside.

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Flav: and I was outside.

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Ricky: Oh.

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Flav: I was outside.

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Ricky: It didn't didn't say anything. or

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Flav: Didn't. Whoa.

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Ricky: There were people pointing up and saying, look, the the eclipse. And you're like, nah.

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Flav: Well…

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Ricky: I'm not looking.

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Flav: I had… i was I was on my butt fifth pint of Guinness at that point.

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Ricky: Right. Oh.

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Flav: But I was on my.

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Ricky: Where were you?

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Flav: Oh man, I had to… Go. I got booked for something on Wednesday morning.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: And then I had the overlap on Thursday. And I'm not coming back home to go but up to the overlap from from London. So I've got to train up to… Manchester.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: And… went straight to a premier in about bu- The premiere in They Book You, which is right next to Overlap Studio, is in in um near Manchester Airport. So there is nothing there.

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Ricky: Oh.

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Flav: There is just the hotels.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: Um, and an airport, and you can't get to the airport from… walking from the hotel you have to get a cab there if you want to go there

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Ricky: Oh my god.

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Flav: So there's literally nothing to do. And I was trying not to, like, I didn't necessarily. want to start drinking that like Half past three in the afternoon.

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Ricky: Sure, sure.

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Flav: But there was what what was I supposed to do? I so i went to the hotel. I lied on the bed for a bit. I put the telly on, that was shit.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: That was a lot.

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Ricky: Have a turn out.

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Flav: Wow. Immediately.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: seen as the Every time.

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Ricky: Good.

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Flav: As soon as he gets to the hotel.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: Um, I said, what am I going to do other than just have a few beers? So that's what I did. And I had a pint of Guinness and then I went back. And they went. It's, you know, it's happy hour. and I went, oh, is it?

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: oh

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Flav: Two pints for a tenner.

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Ricky: Oh fuck off.

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Flav: Five quid. And Guinness is actually class. It's good Guinness. And so… I was on about six. And then… I started talking to this couple.

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Flav: A bloke who was 43 who went half blind. and from the payout just sells races yachts now so i was just asking him about that shit And then but everyone's going, the clip, is that the clip that's happening? And I was like, I don't give a fuck about it. I'll say, all right, 1999.

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Flav: You don't even look at the sun. You see it in the shadows. It's like, oh, this is shit.

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Ricky: To the geezer who's got… You know, half blind.

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Flav: Good night.

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Ricky: Don't you fucking look.

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Flav: One.

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Ricky: Don't you look.

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Flav: that He can look.

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Ricky: so ah

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Flav: He's not going to do it. Bye for him. And everyone was like, don't look directly into the sun. Don't look directly into the sun. And everyone was like experts at why you shouldn't look directly into the sun.

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Flav: So, he'll… Why? You can't get to this stage in life. And you have to be educated to not look directly into the sun and your…

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Ricky: Hmm.

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Flav: You're a fully functioning human being.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: Do you know what it does? so You can damage your eyes so badly for the rest of your life. You have. you end up seeing like a are ring.

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Ricky: I, in 1999, It happened while I was at school. And… I looked at the eclipse. I looked directly at it.

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Ricky: thought I was being a tough guy. ignoring all the advice and I couldn't see for an hour afterwards. Just sitting on the school field, just panicking.

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Flav: you know

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Ricky: Didn't know what to do.

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Flav: All right.

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Ricky: completely fucked. Honestly, it was such a horrible experience, but obviously I did get my sight back. But this time. ah you know, our next to neighbor, they had some… ah spare Eclipse glasses.

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Ricky: Chucked him over the fence for us And so we watched it as ah as a family. And the really weird thing is someone said to us. that when the eclipse happens The birds Stop. Moving. They stopped singing. They stopped tweeting.

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Ricky: That's that. i can still see the sun i don't think that's true We've got loads of birds out the back from this massive tree. And when the eclipse happened… It just went. Eerie quiet.

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Ricky: no birds tweeting no birds doing anything and then when the sun moved again when it moved again you could see the sun again

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Flav: They think it's not nighttime. That's why I they don't know what fucking eclipse is, do they?

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Ricky: No, no.

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Flav: oh Oh my god, it's night. Fuck, is it that quick? Oh, quick. Shit.

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Ricky: I can still see the sun though!

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Flav: Everyone close your eyes and sleep! Everyone sleep! Go to sleep right now!

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Ricky: it was It was mad. And I… um I did a time lapse on my phone.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: And it came out, it looked really well. And. it went it went really dark as the eclipse happened and everyone was like messaging me

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: Fucking hell, that didn't happen where I was, blah blah blah blah blah. And… It.

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Flav: Yeah, people are angry at each other because some have got a better eclipse than others.

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah.

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Flav: It's not my fault it's here.

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Ricky: And to be honest…

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Flav: what

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Ricky: It must have been something to do with the lens on my iPhone or whatever. Because where I was standing it looks nothing like that was on my video absolutely nothing like it

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Flav: Oh right, so the camera caught it much better.

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, completely.

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Flav: Well, people say use your camera and look it like do a selfie mode and look it over your eye. but then everyone everyone's like no don't do that so destroy your lens your your phone's gonna be broken forever

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Ricky: and Yeah. I did.

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Flav: like What am I…

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Ricky: I did. gogo that

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Flav: This is too… eat You googled it.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: Will it hurt my lens?

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Ricky: oh Yeah, is it going to break but is it going to break my camera?

00:16:06.06
Flav: What did it say?

00:16:07.20
Ricky: ah It said it it can burn out your…

00:16:09.74
Flav: Oh really?

00:16:10.09
Ricky: lens and stuff i was just like fuck it i'm doing it

00:16:11.89
Flav: I've just never known something to happen. No one's mentioned it for… How long has it been? It's 99. 26, 27 years.

00:16:21.02
Ricky: Yeah.

00:16:20.84
Flav: Is that right?

00:16:22.29
Ricky: Yeah.

00:16:22.60
Flav: so is it Yeah. But then now, suddenly it comes back around and everyone's got, i run no no, but there's loads of rules to this. like Fuck off, it's the sun. i Do you do what you want to do? I'll do what I want to do. Don't tell me what to do. I'll fucking look at you. I know you can't look directly into the sun. You talk that from as soon as you're born. In fact… When you look at your son, it hurts your eyes, so you close them.

00:16:43.46
Flav: there

00:16:44.06
Ricky: My next-door neighbor, he's about… He's in his mid-70s. He just came out in the back garden like in the car parking space to look at the eclipse It's just in his pants.

00:16:55.90
Ricky: me The missus, two kids are there. It's just there in his pants. Just looking at it. Take care. I was like… Right, Brian, he's like… Yeah.

00:17:05.46
Flav: Is this the, is this the?

00:17:05.53
Ricky: Just watching the eclipse. Which one? No. nay

00:17:09.53
Flav: Not there.

00:17:10.04
Ricky: Nah, nah, nah.

00:17:10.85
Flav: Come round Edinburgh with you.

00:17:11.66
Ricky: no

00:17:13.48
Flav: Floods of tears. Not him.

00:17:15.95
Ricky: He might be listening.

00:17:16.93
Flav: then're My brother, Ryan. My brother, Ryan. Right, he thinks that if you… You take all your clothes off. You go in the garden when the sun rises. and you pull your legs over the back of your ears. and show your asshole to the sun and it charges him up. 00:17:30.100 Flav Sucky. It's like when you charge your phone, it's like he thinks that if he pulls his legs, which shows Sonny's arsehole, it gives him… More energy for the day.

00:17:40.60
Ricky: There. There is a guy on Instagram, with this geezer with a beard. And he does that.

00:17:46.71
Flav: i

00:17:47.01
Ricky: yeah And he said like he's so weird because he's like… I don't know how really like how much of a, how real it is.

00:17:53.94
Flav: Do you actually believe this?

00:17:55.42
Ricky: Well, he smells his dick. And he was like, oh. It smelled a bit sour today. That means I've not had enough iron or like, he just says shit like that.

00:18:01.81
Flav: who

00:18:04.72
Ricky: And I'm like, mate, what, how can you tell like the different. Sense of your dick and what your body needs.

00:18:07.95
Flav: ah

00:18:09.92
Ricky: what What's going on?

00:18:09.68
Flav: I don't even… Making stuff up. That's mental to to make make that up. Doesn't make any sense. It's a stupid thing to make up.

00:18:18.75
Ricky: and I don't know, it is… It's fucking weird How are you coping with this heat by the way?

00:18:25.65
Flav: I'm getting used to it now I'm not really that bothered by it

00:18:28.25
Ricky: Fuck off.

00:18:29.14
Flav: Like i'm i'm fine that I'm… feeling uncomfortable. Finally feeling uncomfortable

00:18:33.44
Ricky: Mmm.

00:18:35.04
Flav: Right. i I've… It has been a lot. I'm in this, my computer's throwing out loads of heat. In the afternoon, the sun comes around and makes a like a bit like a…

00:18:45.65
Flav: block like a Greenhouse.

00:18:47.03
Ricky: Greenhouse.

00:18:49.01
Flav: And I'm just sitting here stripping, but… You kind of get used to anything, didn't you?

00:18:54.17
Ricky: Yeah, i've I've gone right the other way.

00:18:55.01
Flav: It's like being in constant. You're struggling with it.

00:18:58.51
Ricky: Yeah, really. like When we go to bed at night, it's…

00:19:00.10
Flav: but Yeah.

00:19:01.76
Ricky: um

00:19:01.97
Flav: It's not good weather though. This is the thing. is People go, don't moan about the sun being out. We love the sun being out. It's not about the sun.

00:19:06.70
Ricky: Yeah.

00:19:08.36
Flav: It's about the fucking like you say getting into bed and just sweating bollocks. Have you got a fan?

00:19:12.89
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

00:19:14.36
Flav: I quite like it.

00:19:14.66
Ricky: I actually, yeah I had to invest in a fan.

00:19:17.20
Flav: You had to, yeah.

00:19:17.80
Ricky: Yeah.

00:19:18.36
Flav: Well, the girls got fans.

00:19:18.12
Ricky: Yeah. and Yeah, they've got fans. We'll find out.

00:19:21.75
Flav: do i Do I leave it on when I come downstairs? As you go upstairs.

00:19:25.12
Ricky: Yeah.

00:19:25.25
Flav: Close to death.

00:19:25.74
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

00:19:25.62
Flav: So, that's it. Yeah.

00:19:26.79
Ricky: to to i literally sent a text to my daughter she went out uh to the city center i went upstairs fans on lights on and i sent her a text message saying uh by the way you left your bedroom light on your fan on and the main bathroom light on i'm deducting 75p for electricity, then yeah, yeah from where I come.

00:19:27.90
Flav: They don't pay for the electricity, electricity do they? They don't understand what that means.

00:19:43.18
Flav: Yeah.

00:19:46.55
Flav: From… From what?

00:19:49.17
Ricky: for just leave it that's leaving it, yeah.

00:19:51.35
Flav: Did you take 75p?

00:19:53.38
Ricky: No, of course I didn't. I should have done that.

00:19:54.87
Flav: You got to…

00:19:55.80
Ricky: Yeah, guys.

00:19:55.91
Flav: You have to. oh No, this otherwise your word means nothing. No, you won't.

00:19:59.23
Ricky: No, I'm not. Yeah, he won't do it.

00:20:00.27
Flav: do it do it now Take one pound fifty Um. Yeah. nightmare fucking nightmare

00:20:06.92
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah, it's fucking hot. Today's topic I was going to do. 1984.

00:20:15.78
Flav: Go ahead.

00:20:16.29
Ricky: Um, But… I started reading it on the holiday. I've not finished it, I'm halfway through.

00:20:20.28
Flav: Yeah. Well, you don't want to ruin it.

00:20:23.28
Ricky: Yeah. well Well, I i've ah This is my third outing with it.

00:20:25.29
Flav: You've read it once already.

00:20:29.16
Flav: Really?

00:20:29.29
Ricky: ah Yeah, yeah, yeah. And probably the last time I read it was when I was with you.

00:20:33.46
Flav: Right, right, right.

00:20:33.35
Ricky: So it's a long time ago. And reading it again. It is. Honestly, it's so fucking good man. It's so good.

00:20:43.25
Flav: Yeah.

00:20:43.65
Ricky: So if you're listening to this and you've not read 1984, we are going to do that next week, by the way. Uh…

00:20:49.34
Flav: Okay.

00:20:49.92
Ricky: So… If people that have… read it and want to reread it or you haven't read ah read it there's been a couple of messages that have come in and they've actually sent a picture of their amazon purchases of the book so

00:21:02.78
Flav: Yeah, you can't go wrong.

00:21:02.90
Ricky: Well done, CA.

00:21:03.85
Flav: It's great. It's it's a fantastic book.

00:21:06.34
Ricky: Yeah.

00:21:06.93
Flav: it but I think the younger you are… the But when you first read it, the better. could you you're more, or maybe not better, but you'll have a different experience it when you're idealistic and sort of… politically activated.

00:21:18.47
Ricky: Yeah.

00:21:19.05
Flav: then than I would now. I'd have a different relationship, I'd imagine. Because… I'm not politically activated at all. Now. like I don't care who wins.

00:21:29.80
Ricky: Yeah.

00:21:30.37
Flav: Just leave me out of it

00:21:32.50
Ricky: ah

00:21:33.82
Flav: That's how I feel.

00:21:34.62
Ricky: yeah You are.

00:21:35.49
Flav: Like I would love Big Brother. I'd happily go.

00:21:38.03
Ricky: ah

00:21:39.78
Flav: Wouldn't you? It's fucking so much easier.

00:21:41.97
Ricky: laughter

00:21:44.36
Flav: Like, which it you know… you The bre matrix. You know the matrix.

00:21:48.15
Ricky: ya Yeah yeah yeah.

00:21:48.72
Flav: you Plug me in. i want to I don't want to know about all that shit.

00:21:50.04
Ricky: yeah

00:21:51.99
Flav: that It looks shit where you are.

00:21:54.07
Ricky: Yeah, does.

00:21:55.30
Flav: That geezer's right about him.

00:21:56.54
Ricky: Yeah.

00:21:56.90
Flav: Plug me back in. I want back into the Matrix. He knows it's not real, but he just wants…

00:21:59.84
Ricky: Yeah.

00:22:00.53
Flav: Same.

00:22:01.21
Ricky: Yay.

00:22:01.26
Flav: He's the only intelligent one in the whole fucking film.

00:22:01.42
Ricky: yay

00:22:05.19
Ricky: ah Good, that is funny.

00:22:05.17
Flav: Yeah.

00:22:06.64
Ricky: um

00:22:06.70
Flav: And if you're reading 1984, then read Brave New World. thats Those things sit together really nicely.

00:22:10.67
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah. Um… So I didn't know what to really speak about today, but I i kind of like ah what I do want to speak to you about actually was.

00:22:21.35
Ricky: Um… It was about my holiday. and it wasn't just like not not like um sunbathing and shit like that. But when I was, so, you know. as you know,

00:22:33.61
Ricky: probably the listeners know as well that my family have had a ah but My grandparents, they retired out in Spain in the early 80s and every summer I would go and see them.

00:22:41.17
Flav: Hmm.

00:22:45.23
Ricky: uh they've you know passed away now and so we had a family villa We still go out there, still stay in the family villa. And it was sold in May. So when we went over, we hired an Airbnb.

00:22:58.91
Ricky: um and still had a holiday in the same place. Now, because that we were we we weren't in my grandparents villa. That's fine, right? It's still the same gaff that you go to.

00:23:12.72
Ricky: But things changed. And… I'm kind of on this… um Nostalgia. kind of kick. as in So…

00:23:23.39
Ricky: Where, like… Things used to be, so there used to be this big… Friday market. They've moved it outside of town to a big car park. So it hasn't got any of the aesthetics from the the Spanish streets there.

00:23:36.55
Ricky: They've moved this.

00:23:37.50
Flav: Or did you go to it?

00:23:38.73
Ricky: Yeah, I did and And when I used to love it as a kid. Like loved going there. We'd get really early. go to this market

00:23:45.52
Flav: Why did they move it away the way from the sort of… the streets and tat in the town.

00:23:49.65
Ricky: i don't know maybe because it was like congestion it was getting too big

00:23:52.39
Flav: It's getting too big.

00:23:53.91
Ricky: uh there's a massive clear up after it with all the litter and stuff like that they just wanted to

00:23:57.59
Flav: And now it's just in the middle of a car park.

00:23:59.26
Ricky: It's in a car park.

00:24:01.72
Flav: that's terrible idea

00:24:02.73
Ricky: Yeah, it is a terrible idea, but then…

00:24:04.47
Flav: Because all the Mediterranean countries, when we went to Nerja, which is South Spain,

00:24:07.93
Ricky: Yeah.

00:24:08.48
Flav: That. they had like an old the old town and it was full of like little stalls and things going on and

00:24:13.72
Ricky: great!

00:24:14.79
Flav: Yeah.

00:24:15.62
Ricky: but and so So they moved it and… um But then as I was walking round… And I like like saying I love the market. But as I was walking around, it was like…

00:24:27.30
Ricky: that realization that They're selling clothes for five euros they're selling Cheap toys. the selling.

00:24:36.41
Flav: Tat.

00:24:37.84
Ricky: Absolute fucking turd. So I don't even want to be here Why am I here?

00:24:43.65
Flav: did what did you go You went through it all though, didn't you?

00:24:45.74
Ricky: Yeah, of course it did.

00:24:46.50
Flav: Yeah. Did the girls enjoy it?

00:24:46.49
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah to Yeah, yeah, yeah. I i taught my… My youngest. ah About. bartering. She wanted a bag. It's 25 euros.

00:24:58.53
Ricky: She was like… it's a lot of money and i was like you've got loads of pocket money you can pay it

00:24:59.68
Flav: He should have said… isn't You got 50.

00:25:02.92
Ricky: And cheers.

00:25:03.85
Flav: Pay with the draw for 15.

00:25:06.24
Ricky: No, I thought that was too low. i said why don't we Why don't we, you know… Start at 20 euros. see how we so see how we get on And uh… She said, what do I say? I just said, say, say senor and wave your hand.

00:25:19.36
Ricky: and then just Hold your 20 euro. So she did that And he laughed. No, no, no. no 23.

00:25:28.17
Flav: Stay great.

00:25:28.17
Ricky: So I nudged her on the elbow and said, walk away.

00:25:33.79
Ricky: So we started walking away. Señorita, señorita.

00:25:36.72
Flav: but

00:25:37.63
Ricky: 22 22. And he got a bag to like say, look i I'll bag it up. and then that's it again that's like so we started walking away and we got to the next door and he walked around his stool came up to he put it in a bag slung it's done a knot in it and he took the 20 euro and walked off And the beam of my daughter's face of that she fucking secured this deal.

00:25:59.38
Flav: That's good.

00:25:59.63
Ricky: Every single stool. She walked past from then on in. It was like 15 euros. Right, I'll give you three euros. No, you can't. You can't. You can't.

00:26:07.41
Flav: Ha ha.

00:26:07.31
Ricky: You can't do it like really far down. You can't. You can't just fucking go wild. You've got to give him a something.

00:26:11.83
Flav: I can't believe it.

00:26:12.78
Ricky: Give him something.

00:26:13.77
Flav: it Was this the little one or the big one?

00:26:16.29
Ricky: Lit one, lit one.

00:26:17.04
Flav: I can imagine she's buzzing about that, yeah.

00:26:18.36
Ricky: Yeah.

00:26:20.19
Flav: She's doing it everywhere.

00:26:19.96
Ricky: it's just

00:26:21.04
Flav: She's going to the sweet shop now.

00:26:22.14
Ricky: yeah Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:26:22.05
Flav: before red doing it

00:26:24.55
Ricky: ah Yeah, and then I had to tell them. at the kind of like this is a market you can do that you can't go into a shop where it's already like going into going into JD Sports, get picking up a trainers.

00:26:31.85
Flav: a supermarket.

00:26:34.38
Flav: Yeah.

00:26:35.50
Ricky: I'll give you this. But a lot of the stuff that I am. So there's quite a few things. There there was ah another kind of market. And where they had this fun fair at the front of the promenade.

00:26:47.48
Ricky: It all gone. They've moved it to the opposite car park. where the market was. and they've replaced it with a massive and it's beautiful A brand new mall. KFC.

00:26:58.53
Ricky: McDonald's.

00:26:59.56
Flav: Uh.

00:26:59.84
Ricky: Like all of that stuff. And I was just like. It's not the same place that I grew up with.

00:27:04.09
Flav: Yeah.

00:27:05.08
Ricky: And it's like.

00:27:07.17
Flav: Yeah.

00:27:08.58
Ricky: I was ready to be like. I've drawn a line and…

00:27:12.59
Flav: I'm done with Torrevieja.

00:27:14.18
Ricky: Yeah.

00:27:15.21
Flav: that's good rick that's a really positive thing

00:27:16.33
Ricky: ya Yeah, yeah. Right, okay.

00:27:18.52
Flav: because Because you would have gone back to Tori Acker every fucking day. for the rest every every year for the rest of your life. I know what you like.

00:27:24.53
Ricky: Right, okay.

00:27:25.01
Flav: you like You like your rhythms. You like your… you like familiarity, you like…

00:27:27.82
Ricky: I do. don't change

00:27:29.07
Flav: Yeah. Now you've got you've got to find something else.

00:27:31.88
Ricky: Yeah.

00:27:32.39
Flav: There's places you can find that are like that. Rick? It's just not Torrevieja anymore.

00:27:34.75
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah, that's true. But that I think…

00:27:39.12
Flav: You'd like to know how it goes in there Spain again.

00:27:39.25
Ricky: so that There's two… there's two things right

00:27:43.40
Flav: Hmm.

00:27:44.01
Ricky: um One. Do you think that… was Do you think that's weird for me to go back to Torrevieja each year and have have our summer holiday?

00:27:53.68
Flav: ah no i No, in fact, it's really common. I think that's what a lot of people do. They're familiar, they know it's not going to let them down, they know what to expect, and they look forward to that.

00:28:01.57
Ricky: Yeah.

00:28:01.93
Flav: no so no i don't don' i think it's really normal greg

00:28:04.72
Ricky: I saw a TikTok. Couple of days ago. And it got a lot of views, lot of comments. And it was, ah you know, where people are doing a skit and it's the same person talking to themselves, but dressed in different clothing.

00:28:17.39
Flav: Yeah.

00:28:18.32
Ricky: And they were saying, oh, yeah, we go on holiday to Crete every year. We we have been doing that for the past 18 years. And the skit was, what, the same place, the same hotel, the same staff, the same, yeah, yeah.

00:28:28.64
Flav: Same restaurants, yeah

00:28:29.51
Ricky: And and people are like, I can't believe people live like that. Why do they do it? That's fucking mental. And asked I was like, that's me. like am i weird like is that a weird thing

00:28:39.45
Flav: I think it's… quite an old fashioned thing in that.

00:28:43.17
Ricky: Yeah.

00:28:43.73
Flav: It was normal when we were kids.

00:28:45.96
Ricky: Mmm.

00:28:46.44
Flav: to do something similar. i went I was lucky enough that my step-mum… Heard that. So my dad married Valerie and Valerie's dad are for that a villa that he bought in Spain.

00:28:59.69
Flav: And it's on a complex. with a swimming and pool complex and stuff like that. so So it was cheap to take the family there because you didn't pay for any accommodation.

00:29:08.58
Ricky: Yeah.

00:29:09.65
Flav: So… We would go there often, and they would go to the same place, same people, go to the same bars, drink. We'd go to this place called the… ah ah Oasis, I think it's called the Oasis bar.

00:29:18.29
Ricky: Yeah.

00:29:18.92
Flav: and they would buy us, because it was always my birthday during the summer holidays, so I would always get a present from them every year. I think that was quite common. but There was less accessibility and less information. like You didn't have… travel we had travel programs but you didn't have like the internet where you could search stuff and research stuff so If you're going to have to spend…

00:29:38.46
Flav: five six grand to take your family on holiday

00:29:40.70
Ricky: Hmm.

00:29:41.33
Flav: You want to be guaranteed that you're going to go into a place that's that you can trust and it's going to give you what you want from your holiday.

00:29:47.21
Ricky: Thank you.

00:29:48.24
Flav: Yeah, but you you have the internet now, Rick. You can go everywhere else.

00:29:50.08
Ricky: Yeah, I do have the internet now.

00:29:53.79
Flav: But isn't that exciting that next time you could do this, but do this elsewhere?

00:29:53.98
Ricky: up

00:29:57.29
Ricky: Yeah, it is I think our family are ready for it as well.

00:29:58.23
Flav: What, how much, can I ask?

00:30:00.08
Ricky: Yeah, go on.

00:30:01.17
Flav: Cause… We did an all-inclusive for two grand.

00:30:05.09
Ricky: Mmm.

00:30:05.19
Flav: For a week. for a week.

00:30:06.59
Ricky: Fuck me.

00:30:07.80
Flav: Yeah.

00:30:09.69
Ricky: That's that is Fantastic.

00:30:11.86
Flav: Yeah, I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't fantastic, as as it turned out, but the price is good.

00:30:15.09
Ricky: Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure

00:30:17.36
Flav: And we we all had a great time. We had a great time. and You know, the food is… pretty horrendous and you know but there was free beer all day so

00:30:23.17
Ricky: Yeah.

00:30:26.63
Flav: Um… And it was entertainment. It was just nice to get away. That's all you had to do and we could afford it. I'm sure it was about two and a half grand, something like that.

00:30:34.12
Ricky: So…

00:30:34.33
Flav: um I know it was actually because my accountant. had a go at me for using the business card to Pay for a holiday. She goes, even though you're doing this, it it just goes on. It just goes on your director's loan. I'm having so many problems with money at the moment.

00:30:47.55
Ricky: Oh.

00:30:48.53
Flav: like big bills coming in of just a fallout and it's a never-ending fallout to buying this house to just… binned. Bye. Just suddenly I'm like… i owe What?

00:30:59.97
Flav: what how do I owe that and then it was like broken down to you it's like there's no money left in the account so you you've spent it on the house but your tax is still due of course it is So. Yeah, it's a bad one.

00:31:11.02
Ricky: Uh…

00:31:11.37
Flav: Yeah, right.

00:31:11.46
Ricky: bollocks

00:31:12.52
Flav: It seems I'm never out of this never-ending cycle. But the point is, I know that it'll cost two and a half grand because… Yeah, my VAT woman told me. Um, So you can get a decent Thanks, Nolle.

00:31:25.32
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah, I mean…

00:31:26.37
Flav: For sure. why' Romania, Romania.

00:31:29.34
Ricky: Uh, fuck no.

00:31:31.49
Flav: And…

00:31:31.44
Ricky: not not not Not because I'm saying fuck no, because I'm saying no to Romania. Because… I don't think they are maybe as welcoming to.

00:31:43.81
Ricky: Brownies.

00:31:44.88
Flav: Ah. What about Hungary?

00:31:45.59
Ricky: So.

00:31:47.51
Flav: Same.

00:31:48.12
Ricky: Yeah I mean that's worse. That is utterly worst.

00:31:51.49
Flav: Hmm.

00:31:53.32
Ricky: I… i

00:31:53.75
Flav: I'm pretty sure…

00:31:55.55
Ricky: well i'll let you pick my next holiday but what what i'll do is i'll transfer an amount of money into your bank account And you do not send me to Poland.

00:32:02.35
Flav: Poland. Take you to Poland. You're going to Poland.

00:32:05.39
Ricky: I i won't come back.

00:32:07.22
Flav: ah

00:32:07.71
Ricky: ah ah

00:32:09.36
Flav: Freeze in Poland.

00:32:10.58
Ricky: Oh, fuck, you know.

00:32:12.06
Flav: Mate, that's amazing Romania. Look at the pictures now.

00:32:14.65
Ricky: Oh, yeah. I mean, the only thing I'd want to go to in Romania is Bram Stoker's…

00:32:21.55
Flav: the

00:32:21.47
Ricky: Dracula house, the castle.

00:32:23.39
Flav: Yeah, it sort of sits on top of a over a thing. Mate, it's amazing.

00:32:26.48
Ricky: Yeah, I am. So actually. ah You know, ah James, James, I can…

00:32:31.15
Flav: No way then, no way.

00:32:32.91
Ricky: I don't know his last name. through throw before through foot foot

00:32:35.60
Flav: James. Yeah, James.

00:32:36.71
Ricky: yeah yeah he yeah he told me he went to bram stoker's uh castle and he said it was shite

00:32:36.38
Flav: Yeah, I've been listening.

00:32:40.41
Flav: Yeah. of shit.

00:32:42.27
Ricky: He said don't go, yeah, don't go.

00:32:43.76
Flav: Oh.

00:32:44.40
Ricky: Right, so. I still want to go.

00:32:45.61
Flav: Okay.

00:32:46.03
Ricky: I still want to see it.

00:32:47.60
Flav: Mate you see they they saw that they think they found Great whites in British wars.

00:32:53.76
Ricky: I did see that. ah Well, I mean… yeah What was the the day? Was it just one of those? i saw the I saw the headline. I got sent the headline, but I didn't actually check to see if it was if it was the same info that we're getting.

00:33:03.50
Flav: They're not…

00:33:06.82
Flav: I haven't… seen anything.

00:33:09.87
Ricky: Blah.

00:33:09.51
Flav: A lot of people mistake them for poor beagles. because they look like great whites and stuff, and Makos.

00:33:12.27
Ricky: Yeah.

00:33:14.44
Flav: And you see that bloke in Ireland got bit on the leg by a shark. I was like, fuck. He's been attacked by a shark in Irish waters. And then it turns out they're on a fishing boat and they hooked a blue shark and brought it on.

00:33:24.68
Ricky: Uh…

00:33:24.49
Flav: they had no to experience fishing. have you read the story no experience fishing didn't have life jackets didn't have any equipment didn't have a net

00:33:33.36
Ricky: Good.

00:33:34.27
Flav: Uh, This shark's just fucking flown in the boat and bit one of them.

00:33:34.04
Ricky: Good.

00:33:37.54
Flav: I think it was trying to get the hook out of its mouth.

00:33:37.56
Ricky: ah

00:33:40.09
Flav: bit one of them on the leg.

00:33:42.07
Ricky: Yeah, that is. Every scene as well. um I don't know. ah It feels illegal. But like there's people in ah Florida where they…

00:33:54.19
Ricky: A fish for great whites. on lands. Rod and Rill. And they're reeling like.

00:33:57.87
Flav: On.

00:33:59.75
Ricky: Great White Shark onto the beach. Beach them.

00:34:03.80
Flav: Then put them back

00:34:03.54
Ricky: Unpop the hook and then put them back.

00:34:06.20
Flav: Yeah I have seen that.

00:34:07.39
Ricky: Doesn't feel right.

00:34:08.86
Flav: Uh-oh. No, I think Great White… I'm not not sure they're Great White Sharks, are they?

00:34:13.18
Ricky: They are.

00:34:14.63
Flav: Because they're protected in most places.

00:34:16.29
Ricky: Well, I don't think they give a fuck

00:34:19.47
Flav: I mean… Yeah. There are so many more shark sightings. and than have been previously and I know Uh… I know you know you're using your phone.

00:34:29.43
Flav: People have their phones, so you see a lot more. but

00:34:31.42
Ricky: Yeah.

00:34:32.26
Flav: There's still tons of people out there that are going out and killing sharks because they think they're… Bad I stumbled across a horrible Facebook group actually. of Thank you.

00:34:41.83
Ricky: Oh, God.

00:34:43.17
Flav: fishermen that do this it just looked like a normal great white one so i was like i'm gonna have a little look at it And then it was really them just hunting. Sharks. Yeah, I found it again.

00:34:53.01
Ricky: Hell, I found it again. Oh, it's disgusting.

00:34:57.33
Flav: Hmm.

00:34:57.27
Ricky: Fucking pigs. um What I did want to say, you know, so obviously… a you know, a sidetrack there. with with the the nostalgia of the holiday and stuff like that.

00:35:08.66
Ricky: I don't know. if I mean, you're as online as as I am.

00:35:13.20
Flav: Yeah.

00:35:13.91
Ricky: There's a lot of content around. Where there's this kind of rhetoric around Things were better. back in the day But things are shit now.

00:35:23.92
Flav: It's because… Yes. um i don't think they're obviously we've we've never been more lucky to be alive as a human race than we are now. But.

00:35:33.41
Ricky: Yes.

00:35:34.13
Flav: We've never had. this level of medicine we've never had. This quality of life, probably. um

00:35:40.18
Ricky: Technology, efficiency, productivity.

00:35:42.29
Flav: Peace. Yeah, it's something built in human beings to be melancholic about a past that they can't revisit anymore for sure. I go back to London. I've talked this about this before, but it doesn't look like the London night.

00:35:53.37
Flav: And I understand things change, multiculturalism is… massive in most major cities in the world it's normal what i'm seeing it's just Don't. I'd like to.

00:36:05.34
Flav: just I mean, this sounds like… get rid of all the brown people.

00:36:08.35
Ricky: I was going to say, let less that you'd like to see less brown people.

00:36:08.51
Flav: That's not what… Yeah. No, because I went to a school, primary primary school, and we had all kinds of ethnicities, even when in the 80s.

00:36:15.74
Ricky: Yeah.

00:36:18.16
Flav: Um, But… It did. ah it It's different.

00:36:24.03
Ricky: Mmm.

00:36:24.25
Flav: it's different It's different. I don't feel… It doesn't feel like the city I grew up in. Same thing, like you you know, the… your holiday doesn't feel like what you use it used to be like.

00:36:36.30
Flav: Um… And… That's a shame because you're sort of seeing your home. disappear pretty much or what you used to be your home now where i live is my home but

00:36:43.88
Ricky: Yeah.

00:36:46.00
Flav: it's i don't I don't think it's racist to say.

00:36:49.00
Ricky: No, no, don't know no, no, no, no, not at all. you could It's fine to say. the uh demographic or of like even like shops and stuff like that where it used to be a lot of independent shops, but now everything is.

00:37:05.25
Ricky: kind of just big business and huge brand shops it's like a lot of the independent people are just going out of business uh and it's ah like there's um a restaurant that in Where I live.

00:37:18.81
Ricky: and Japanese restaurant. And they've been there for 16 years and they have like an insane. and i mean in the insane reputation of how good it is

00:37:29.03
Flav: a chinese chinese talk Chinese, did you say?

00:37:29.13
Ricky: But they, they… Jap- Japanese. japanese

00:37:31.57
Flav: Japanese so sushi fish and sushi and stuff like that.

00:37:32.13
Ricky: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah

00:37:34.57
Flav: Do you like it?

00:37:35.55
Ricky: No, I did go in there to you know to skirt around that stuff. Um,

00:37:41.08
Flav: Was there anything for you? They have like beef and stuff.

00:37:42.78
Ricky: chicken chicken chicken beef pork that you know so

00:37:43.05
Flav: in it

00:37:45.57
Flav: They're known for their beef, I think.

00:37:46.87
Ricky: Yeah. It was nice.

00:37:47.89
Flav: What? Wagyu beef, is that it? Japanese.

00:37:50.88
Ricky: I think so.

00:37:51.65
Flav: Yeah, he is

00:37:53.09
Ricky: But… um Yeah, they've got a business. And I'm just like, there's another… um independent the best Indian restaurant where I live. And that's gone out of business.

00:38:04.64
Flav: Really?

00:38:05.24
Ricky: Yeah, and I'm just…

00:38:06.03
Flav: What, in the last um last year or so?

00:38:08.11
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah. but but Last six months. Last six months.

00:38:12.56
Flav: It's expensive.

00:38:14.64
Ricky: Life is expensive.

00:38:16.69
Flav: Was it expensive to eat there, though?

00:38:18.34
Ricky: Oh, no, it wasn't. No, not at all.

00:38:20.72
Flav: What?

00:38:21.03
Ricky: Not at all.

00:38:22.54
Flav: should and Did they get pushed into closing the business or did they just decide to… Cooler day.

00:38:27.94
Ricky: I don't know. It sounds like they were they were forced to… Close their doors because of I don't know

00:38:35.27
Flav: and saying that and i want to talk to you about this because it's i got two points but the there's There's a… Two pups. on the same road in Devises where I live.

00:38:43.37
Ricky: Yeah.

00:38:45.83
Flav: One of them is called the green one of them is called the Fox and Hounds and the other one's called The Moonrakers. The Moonrakers is dead and it's going out of business. The Fox and the Hounds is lively. Why? They're on the same road.

00:38:58.22
Flav: It's about. decision making it's about the foot quality of food it's about the environment you create and something didn't work anymore.

00:39:05.51
Ricky: Is one more central than the other?

00:39:07.78
Flav: The more one that's more central is less popular.

00:39:10.23
Ricky: Mwah!

00:39:11.15
Flav: Yeah, so there are they're about a mile… No, but… Yeah, but probably about a mile difference. It's a long road. And this one's out of town. I would say the beer garden's better.

00:39:22.91
Ricky: Mmm.

00:39:23.61
Flav: Bye. It could be the same if they… both applied the same sort of… it's just I don't know one I don't know what it is. I don't know why. Do you know what's been really bothering me recently?

00:39:35.07
Ricky: Yeah, go, mate.

00:39:36.13
Flav: it doesn't I understand it completely, but the AI… posters you're seeing absolutely everywhere.

00:39:42.00
Ricky: I was going to send you a reel yesterday

00:39:44.37
Flav: Oh. What?

00:39:45.42
Ricky: it was ah It was a social media manager. saying um It's, you know, one of those conversation skits and it's a social media manager speaking to the business that they work for. And they said.

00:39:56.14
Ricky: Oh, right we've got a cutback on costs. I'll just them AI my social media posts. And then it was just a flash up. one after the other of these same templated AI.

00:40:06.60
Ricky: posters that you see everywhere.

00:40:08.85
Flav: This is the thing is is it's You don't… you don't read them like i look at one and and you can tell it's ai immediately

00:40:13.01
Ricky: Mm.

00:40:16.64
Flav: And so it's… i If I find it harder to… digest the

00:40:21.23
Ricky: Yeah.

00:40:21.50
Flav: information. And a part of the reason is is that… The people putting the prompts in. And there's an argument here that… Creativity will come from prompting.

00:40:29.86
Ricky: Yeah.

00:40:30.81
Flav: ah So you can understand that, but… The people that are putting the prompts in don't understand design.

00:40:35.88
Ricky: Yeah.

00:40:36.39
Flav: And so there is… one two three four five Six. seven, eight. different fonts. In. a thumbnail that size.

00:40:47.72
Ricky: No.

00:40:49.31
Flav: So for those yeah if you're if you're a patron you'll see this

00:40:50.33
Ricky: Fuuuuck

00:40:53.40
Flav: Because you put the video up there you written

00:40:55.15
Ricky: yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah big time.

00:40:56.22
Flav: So if you're a patron of of of Lads Anonymous, you'll see what I'm showing. But… They all look like variations of the same thing.

00:41:03.75
Ricky: Yeah, that's mad.

00:41:05.90
Flav: And you you can understand it from the business because they don' they can't. you know times are tough

00:41:10.33
Ricky: Yeah, yeah

00:41:10.55
Flav: they might not be able to afford to… pay for a designer.

00:41:13.16
Ricky: Sure.

00:41:13.72
Flav: But what you'll get is a substandard product. because the prompts you're putting in don't create a good piece of design it looks the part like it looks

00:41:19.93
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

00:41:22.64
Flav: You know, it's athletically pleasing to read. It's just not legible.

00:41:26.35
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

00:41:27.80
Flav: um And the the minute you see i AI, you think you're of it. you know inauthenticity

00:41:33.83
Ricky: Yeah.

00:41:34.31
Flav: It's just been built into you. And we'll get to a stage where we won't be able to tell the difference. And it's getting more and more difficult now.

00:41:40.97
Ricky: Yeah.

00:41:41.74
Flav: But at the moment, the human ear can hear. the fakeness of AI produced media.

00:41:47.88
Ricky: Yeah.

00:41:49.21
Flav: Um… You can… It's like this. It's like… The human aspect of it isn't there yet.

00:41:56.27
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

00:41:57.39
Flav: I don't know if you've seen that. Fenix. What's his name? feeling phoenix his name is he wrote that song rubbers which is the ai song

00:42:03.05
Ricky: No. nay

00:42:06.25
Ricky: No.

00:42:07.41
Flav: You know, my pockets getting bigger. But watch is getting quicker.

00:42:12.13
Ricky: No. nay

00:42:12.48
Flav: My man my knee talk is brush Louder now and I can't sleep through the night. Can't sleep through the night. I see your face in the glass.

00:42:20.78
Ricky: I like this. This is good chain.

00:42:23.22
Flav: It's banging.

00:42:23.87
Ricky: Yeah, let's go.

00:42:25.19
Flav: Why do you call me when you're short on cash?

00:42:28.13
Ricky: Yeah.

00:42:29.23
Flav: Listen to the song.

00:42:30.07
Ricky: Okay.

00:42:30.10
Flav: it's like It's like something the Smiths would have written in the 80s.

00:42:32.96
Ricky: Oh, fuck off.

00:42:34.99
Flav: What?

00:42:35.47
Ricky: Is it really?

00:42:36.59
Flav: it It sounds like the Smiths. It sounds like… i .e. sin. And. music.

00:42:42.92
Ricky: Oh my god, I'm gonna love them.

00:42:45.27
Flav: This is a rapper from the West Coast.

00:42:45.33
Ricky: And it…

00:42:47.06
Flav: He doesn't sing like this

00:42:48.15
Ricky: What?

00:42:48.95
Flav: Yeah. So, I can't believe you this is someone's fucking… It's got like 600 billion views and listens.

00:42:52.90
Ricky: it

00:42:55.31
Ricky: Do you know what? it It's because I'm actually listening to the Smiths on repeat.

00:42:59.19
Flav: Right, well, that's that's a point. And and the bloke said…

00:43:00.51
Ricky: Yeah.

00:43:02.93
Flav: um because i was always a big fan of the smiths and people are going and as soon as i heard it i was like There's something not right about this.

00:43:09.45
Ricky: Right, okay.

00:43:09.69
Flav: No doubt it's catchy if it was released in the 80s.

00:43:11.01
Ricky: Yeah, yeah.

00:43:12.91
Flav: And it was a soundtrack to… Scarface.

00:43:16.55
Ricky: Yeah.

00:43:17.15
Flav: He'd go… This makes complete sense.

00:43:19.49
Ricky: Mmm, okay.

00:43:19.76
Flav: This makes sense. But for for this west sort of it West Coast rapper, a rapper, he generally talks about bitches, hoes, and all that shit.

00:43:26.21
Ricky: Yeah.

00:43:27.56
Flav: For him to come out of this, go completely left field and make this 80s British synth song. that is kind of hip-hop, but it's, mate, it's really good. You can't deny that it is a good song.

00:43:38.32
Flav: Uh, But… I don't know, will we have to play it? Without. Yeah, fuck it. it's in but So this is the key.

00:43:47.06
Ricky: Yeah.

00:43:47.86
Flav: I can't play. I'm not controlling this.

00:43:49.58
Ricky: Right.

00:43:50.06
Flav: It doesn't matter. um You… Yeah. Because… so So two things. He got in a lot, a lot of… like People are just saying like… this is It doesn't matter if it sounds dope.

00:44:02.59
Flav: This is not real. And then he pretended that it wasn't AI and he pretended he had written it. And then they got him to perform it live and he got his words wrong and shit. It's like that. but it it doesn't matter it's like one of the biggest songs about there but do you know

00:44:10.69
Ricky: Oh.

00:44:16.27
Flav: that music… or work, or an essay, or… an image. that's created by AI you don't own.

00:44:25.30
Ricky: Yes.

00:44:25.96
Flav: And the AI don't doesn't.

00:44:26.80
Ricky: Oh fuck!

00:44:28.20
Flav: Yeah. So… So that post, and not a good example, FedEx. Feelings Vinic, or what he's called. He doesn't own the copyright to that that video. that that That song.

00:44:40.13
Flav: Right. And nor does AI own it. it goes immediately into the public domain. You know, like a record or something goes into public domain after 75 years.

00:44:47.29
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah.

00:44:48.94
Flav: I think it's 75 years and then it's free you're free to use it.

00:44:51.79
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

00:44:53.68
Flav: You know, like…

00:45:00.37
Flav: With a pop through these ends, on a pop through the…

00:45:01.83
Ricky: ah ya ya Yeah, yeah.

00:45:03.09
Flav: So that bit of classical music.

00:45:05.24
Ricky: Yeah.

00:45:05.68
Flav: That's like hundreds of years old and anyone can use it. It's free to use.

00:45:09.23
Ricky: Who's that, Professor Graydon?

00:45:10.65
Flav: Yeah, that that's upper collapse and dance suckers Fucking banging, Shane.

00:45:11.36
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah, Africa, yeah. Banger, yeah.

00:45:14.92
Flav: Uh, uh So… so you could produce stuff uh like music or A film. But. Anybody can take it and rip it and use it. And if you're a small creator…

00:45:27.38
Flav: a logical creator to take your work and just go, yeah, this is mine. I made this.

00:45:31.25
Ricky: I always thought that if you…

00:45:32.17
Flav: or i can do this i can use this as my you can use it whatever you want it's all free free freedom

00:45:37.15
Ricky: So if you produce something on AI a design. put it on a t-shirt and sold it you that you that's not yours that's not your copyright

00:45:45.99
Flav: You're allowed to do it. But anyone's allowed to do it.

00:45:47.81
Ricky: But it's… Ah, right, I see.

00:45:51.44
Flav: so So, yeah, if you've got a design and it's… fly and you sold 200 t-shirts. and a larger company goes yeah i like that we're just going to sell it There's nothing you can do.

00:45:59.40
Ricky: Yeah. Oh, good Lord.

00:46:02.12
Flav: It's a good thing.

00:46:02.98
Ricky: Yeah.

00:46:03.19
Flav: because you're not making it you're not it's not come from your creator your ability It's come from… it's It's come from how well you're able to ask something else to create it.

00:46:12.99
Ricky: Yeah.

00:46:14.04
Flav: And so if it if that is the case, it should stay in public. the public space.

00:46:18.43
Ricky: What, like… Talking about… um

00:46:22.92
Ricky: The Smiths. nostalgia. Looking back. was is Is music better? back in the 90s. Where you didn't have.

00:46:34.79
Ricky: I mean, I don't know if he did have auto-tune, but it just feels like every song I listen to has ah has a little… bit of auto tune on it or like you're saying that this track has uh ai and as we get further down

00:46:46.68
Flav: it's not It doesn't has have AI. It's completely produced by AI.

00:46:50.07
Ricky: Oh. Right, okay.

00:46:51.72
Flav: Yeah, yeah. but

00:46:52.16
Ricky: completely produced by ai but as we get further down this kind of rabbit hole with ai

00:46:53.94
Flav: Yeah.

00:46:58.21
Ricky: a lo- A lot of music is going to be… Created by… Aye-aye. Now… Does that matter? Because… Music. is…

00:47:09.96
Ricky: It's what it makes you feel

00:47:11.63
Flav: I think…

00:47:11.89
Ricky: Because the lyrics could be whatever or the the the rhythm or whatever. or Do you have to feel the soul? of The music. As in.

00:47:22.81
Ricky: the the The hard times they went through. They recorded it all living in a single bedroom. they All four band members slept on one mattress. Like that kind of thing.

00:47:30.95
Flav: Yeah. I mean that's where That that's that that's that's what it would destroy is the fact that the the the hours, 10 ,000 hours put into becoming…

00:47:43.10
Flav: the best possible guitarist you could possibly be is immediately wiped out by something you could just say can you make this like Sound like Eric Clapton.

00:47:46.13
Ricky: Yeah.

00:47:51.92
Flav: And it will it will sound exactly like Eric Clapton.

00:47:51.90
Ricky: Yeah. That's a shame, isn't it?

00:47:54.40
Flav: I don't never have to pick her.

00:47:55.03
Ricky: That's fucking mental. That is fucking mental, isn't it?

00:47:57.99
Flav: Yeah, so what I think is going to happen is there'll be so much slop out there.

00:48:02.53
Ricky: Yeah.

00:48:03.50
Flav: There was so much AI created music. That's… it just swallows each other up. Like, so it may, there are so many artists out there at the moment, right? There's so many really good artists, like my brother, little brother Alex, really good at what he does.

00:48:16.17
Ricky: Yeah.

00:48:18.02
Flav: There are millions of people that are as good as him in their own way.

00:48:21.33
Ricky: Yeah.

00:48:21.79
Flav: Already?

00:48:22.80
Ricky: Yeah.

00:48:23.05
Flav: So if you add to that everybody who cannot… was never able to be a musician but now can be one

00:48:28.33
Ricky: Yeah.

00:48:29.30
Flav: So and on top of that, is you're just going to get this. just It's just going to be a noise of AI.

00:48:36.68
Ricky: Yeah.

00:48:36.67
Flav: AI stuff. ah But. What it will mean, I think, if I'm guessing. There's an interesting thing. why ah Who's the geezer on X Factor who was in Black Eyed Peas? Will .i .am.

00:48:47.98
Ricky: Yeah.

00:48:48.73
Flav: He's creating a thing where… only human beings will be able to use the MP3 or .wav. and the AI. there'll be inbuilt safeguarding so that ai produced projects have to have a different Uh…

00:49:04.23
Flav: What do you call it? ex forma or what the ending a file ending

00:49:07.33
Ricky: format yeah

00:49:08.78
Flav: that Yes, our only human… created pieces you'll be able to use .mp3 or the mp4 Adopt. uh we'll have End. Anything AI would have to do with .ai or something like that.

00:49:20.32
Ricky: That's quite good

00:49:21.28
Flav: Yeah, it is good. It is good. Because you don't… It's not… If you want to listen to it. It's fine. and If you enjoy it, it's fine as well, right? It's just a part of progression.

00:49:29.12
Ricky: Yeah.

00:49:30.86
Flav: But we have to know what's real and what isn't real. like we have to know if someone is

00:49:33.26
Ricky: Yeah.

00:49:34.94
Flav: genuinely able to create this through his own body. and someone who's been able to speak into a microphone to create it prompt properly.

00:49:42.35
Ricky: Yeah.

00:49:42.66
Flav: Both those things can have a space. but it needs to be We need to be able to clearly define it, because in music… i mean with with this sort of rub this rubber song you can somehow still hear it but it wouldn't be a matter of time until you wouldn't be able to hear it

00:49:56.50
Ricky: ya Yeah yeah yeah.

00:49:58.47
Flav: Because if it doesn't, then no one will ever pick up a guitar again. No one will ever paint a… painting.

00:50:06.05
Ricky: that's a good point

00:50:06.21
Flav: So… You have to, you have to. But I don't… I don't look at digital art. in the same way that if you go to the Tate and look at a Turner painting.

00:50:17.94
Ricky: Yeah.

00:50:18.14
Flav: There's nothing I can see on a screen that would compare to that.

00:50:20.68
Ricky: Night.

00:50:20.99
Flav: but If you go and look at a Turner painting. and see how magic majestic it is. and how he's able to create light with paint. And… an incredibly designed AI.

00:50:31.92
Flav: picture or even someone who is using Um. Photoshop to create graphical graphical images.

00:50:37.64
Ricky: Yeah.

00:50:38.53
Flav: it Nothing compares to something like that and you would never have that if AI already existed. So we have to be careful. Or just accept that last this is the end of… and as we know it.

00:50:49.43
Ricky: Do you think that will happen to, because there are…

00:50:54.40
Ricky: podcasts out there. That do they. um what one of these podcasts had a um it was fun i think i don't know if we've spoken about this before But um it it reached number one in whatever charts and it was being downloaded. It was to do with the Epstein files.

00:51:11.73
Ricky: So when the Epstein files were coming out.

00:51:14.14
Flav: Yeah.

00:51:14.69
Ricky: this dude had created some AI where it would… sourcing all of the media that was on Twitter, Facebook. published documents and all that lot it would come into this one bit and then it would be um Kind of.

00:51:29.91
Ricky: filtered out. and as long as a source could be attributed to that piece of information then it would be condensed, concise. then It would go through another program where it was grammatically pieced together correctly. And then it was pushed to an audio where someone would narrate that. Then that file would pop out. And it's like.

00:51:52.13
Ricky: This is a podcast.

00:51:54.22
Flav: and it's the And the audio is AI.

00:51:54.24
Ricky: And it's uploaded.

00:51:56.29
Flav: The speaking is AI.

00:51:56.67
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah. speaking you're getting the news on the epstein you're getting it and then but a lot of it he where he kind of No. Come a cropper. But he… admitted that he's he's a busy guy and he doesn't really Listen.

00:52:10.60
Flav: Uh…

00:52:10.45
Ricky: or edit or double check or anything so he was putting potentially a lot of misinformation out there but the idea of what he was doing is still relevant and what any anyone could do.

00:52:22.94
Flav: Yeah, look I mean, i I had a conversation with… ah Someone I know. It was in the gaming industry and has been since. You know. the late 80s. And he worked on things like… Halo and…

00:52:37.46
Flav: destiny.

00:52:38.29
Ricky: Share.

00:52:39.27
Flav: Um, And a friend of his is publishing books onto Amazon. that are written by AI. And he's just publishing and he's earning a good… good money out of it. people are buying i think they're like What? It was like… um I don't know exactly if it was like erotic fiction, something like that.

00:52:56.67
Flav: I don't know.

00:52:56.83
Ricky: Oh. I like erotic fiction.

00:52:58.18
Flav: Just writes loads of stuff. Yeah. um look Where we are at the moment… When you're even when because I use I use ChatGPT and Claude every day for work.

00:53:08.79
Ricky: Mmm.

00:53:11.04
Ricky: Yep.

00:53:11.62
Flav: Can't not use it. It's just too good

00:53:13.50
Ricky: Yep.

00:53:14.26
Flav: But the products of what we produce, like the podcast, are still human beings talking. But who's to say that… my voice couldn't be cloned. and Defying Cock. just be You know. Published. by someone else.

00:53:26.69
Ricky: Yeah. actually Do you know what? I was actually having a chat with someone yesterday about… um Someone said, ah have you seen… ah this. uh bit of software It records a podcast.

00:53:39.22
Ricky: It takes out the interesting in sections. It clips up the video and the videos go out.

00:53:43.78
Flav: Yeah.

00:53:44.26
Ricky: And do you remember, I i think you um said… Have you seen Opus? opus clips or something like that i can't remember what it was

00:53:51.21
Flav: Yeah.

00:53:52.91
Ricky: And when I was putting it in. And it it was picking out interesting parts. the but that part of ai it was unable to detect laughter so all the funny bits of the pod it weren't It wasn't clipping up.

00:54:06.24
Flav: aye

00:54:07.06
Ricky: And then the other part is. to make it more… um you know digestible it was It was taking out all our pauses. So when you're trying to do a joke.

00:54:19.02
Ricky: and you go to land it and there's that little nuance of that waiting part for the punch line

00:54:20.54
Flav: ah

00:54:25.41
Ricky: It just slammed it all together.

00:54:27.16
Flav: Really?

00:54:27.77
Ricky: So I was like, this does that, that doesn't work.

00:54:30.32
Flav: Yeah.

00:54:30.88
Ricky: Um,

00:54:30.88
Flav: it's Interestingly, does… Zencastr have just brought out. an update and you can use his ai to take clips from the thing and frames it up for you

00:54:39.40
Ricky: oh

00:54:40.12
Flav: so then if you're still using premiere pro to for everything.

00:54:42.79
Ricky: I am, yeah, yeah, yeah

00:54:43.98
Flav: and Yeah, I don't know how it works. You can try it after this, but… Um, yeah no like um when you're having conversations with so I'm sometimes in a car and I'm talking to chat GPT about something that I've got coming up or if I need

00:54:56.88
Ricky: I love that.

00:54:58.42
Flav: yeah But it's just like having… the most intelligent person on earth.

00:55:02.62
Ricky: Yeah.

00:55:03.31
Flav: Talk to you.

00:55:04.48
Ricky: Yeah.

00:55:04.60
Flav: everything, any subject you possibly ask. I ended up talking about things I didn't even know I was going to talk about. Um, So… uh, There is a couple of issues with it, though.

00:55:17.88
Flav: It's… forgets what it said.

00:55:22.25
Ricky: Right.

00:55:22.96
Flav: And it sometimes will forget. who you are. because it never remembered, right? It's just bouncing off and tries to…

00:55:29.40
Ricky: Yeah.

00:55:30.86
Flav: it tis It tries to kind of… be able to access what you've spoken about previously. And it can to a certain extent, but it starts getting things wrong, starts using your name wrong.

00:55:39.23
Ricky: Yeah.

00:55:39.94
Flav: and yeah Over time, it degrades, I've found. Um… And the other thing is… if It affirms what you want. I found

00:55:51.64
Ricky: Yes. it does.

00:55:53.13
Flav: It seems, based on what you're asking, it seems to try to want to please you.

00:55:57.65
Ricky: Yes.

00:55:58.90
Flav: So… I… When I was 11 years old, I swung on a rope swing. And as it reached the peak of its swing… I lost my so grip.

00:56:10.54
Flav: And I fell. down this this bank. And I landed on my arm and it hurt my arm.

00:56:17.62
Ricky: Yeah.

00:56:18.51
Flav: And I come home. and My mum looked at it. And. she it was There was no swelling. ah It was hurting, but I could move my… fingers and stuff. So she assumed as a nurse.

00:56:30.97
Flav: that it wasn't broken anyway three days later i'm still complaining about the pain in my arm Eventually, she decides to take me to the doctor and the doctor immediately says, you need to take him to hospital.

00:56:40.80
Ricky: Oh.

00:56:40.90
Flav: And I had broken my arm.

00:56:42.11
Ricky: Uh…

00:56:42.39
Flav: But it was a… like a hairline fracture it was a tiny thing that would have helded healed on its own i did have a cast

00:56:45.41
Ricky: Yeah.

00:56:49.22
Flav: I put that story into… into ChatGPT.

00:56:53.62
Ricky: Yeah.

00:56:54.63
Flav: And in the end, I said… Could this be seen as child abuse? And ask that question. Because I was… I was with my mom.

00:57:01.15
Ricky: ah Yeah.

00:57:01.79
Flav: And the joke is always that she she wasn't a great mum because I had left me for three days without a broken arm.

00:57:07.27
Ricky: Yeah.

00:57:07.39
Flav: And it came back and went, absolutely, this is 100 % a case for child abuse.

00:57:12.01
Ricky: Oh no.

00:57:12.24
Flav: I wasn't abused as a child. In fact… My mum was excellent.

00:57:16.23
Ricky: ah god

00:57:16.85
Flav: But because of the way I framed it, it gave me back what I…

00:57:18.63
Ricky: Yeah.

00:57:20.34
Flav: what it thought I wanted.

00:57:21.66
Ricky: Yeah.

00:57:22.39
Flav: That's dangerous.

00:57:23.52
Ricky: Yeah.

00:57:24.45
Flav: Because… You could be in an argument with someone and be in the wrong. And ask ChatGPT if you're in the right. and frame it the way you want to frame it. It will give you back the answer and you'll go, well, ChatGPT sold me this.

00:57:36.34
Ricky: Yeah.

00:57:37.21
Flav: So I must be in the right.

00:57:38.61
Ricky: but Was your mum there?

00:57:39.91
Flav: Yeah, yeah

00:57:40.07
Ricky: But yeah.

00:57:40.73
Flav: Yeah. yeah I do it all the time.

00:57:41.60
Ricky: ah

00:57:43.03
Flav: It's all the time I tell her about it. ah You may. We weren't loved. and She didn't care for us then.

00:57:50.12
Ricky: I do the same with my mum.

00:57:51.49
Flav: Yeah.

00:57:51.69
Ricky: But I do that. ah my older sister is the favourite child.

00:57:56.06
Flav: Yeah.

00:57:56.19
Ricky: I'm just like, you know.

00:57:56.68
Flav: She probably is.

00:57:57.69
Ricky: Yeah.

00:57:58.29
Flav: The second child is always a fucking nightmare.

00:57:57.97
Ricky: Yeah, definitely is. Definitely is.

00:58:00.44
Flav: so The first child is always easier.

00:58:02.81
Ricky: Yeah, for sure.

00:58:03.86
Flav: So that's why You're right. She probably is the favourite.

00:58:06.40
Ricky: Yeah.

00:58:07.90
Flav: Didn't cause you my many problems. 00:58:07.100 Ricky Yeah. ah yeah mean then There was a few, but I was most definitely the…

00:58:12.23
Flav: Yeah.

00:58:14.29
Ricky: the

00:58:14.57
Flav: Was she hot ryan vans?

00:58:16.36
Ricky: Night. no no no no no na na no yeah yeah i did yeah i did do a lot of bad stuff and the thing is as well when you like you saying that as well i have to remember that with uh my doors

00:58:16.97
Flav: Exactly. Zero. is that it

00:58:28.18
Ricky: That. Ibis. as, let's say… uh inquisitive about the world instead of uh just flying off the handle on things

00:58:39.10
Flav: She's out of control.

00:58:40.45
Ricky: Okay.

00:58:42.11
Flav: Is that what, like that?

00:58:45.06
Ricky: Oh, dude.

00:58:45.01
Flav: I've got to find the poem. A friend of the show, Sean Craze, he got to the internet episode, didn't he? Did we ever do internet 2?

00:58:50.72
Ricky: He hated. We did do internet too, yeah.

00:58:54.43
Flav: Wasn't as good.

00:58:55.84
Ricky: It didn't have that.

00:58:57.60
Flav: It's out of control.

00:58:58.55
Ricky: sad a control I need to find that. I reckon I've still got it.

00:59:02.50
Flav: Let me use around my house and we We played it. It was like three in the morning.

00:59:05.92
Ricky: Okay.

00:59:06.63
Flav: We're all battered. And I'm playing it. It's out of control. to It's brilliant.

00:59:14.66
Ricky: uh mate um Before we round this off… i do have a couple of actually i so i did because i was going to do uh nostalgia Right. And we've we've gone everywhere, but that's fine.

00:59:28.92
Ricky: But I was going to do a a little, not not a quiz. Where is it, baby? Bring it back. Or leave it in the past. Right, Woolworths.

00:59:41.50
Flav: ah Leave it in the past. I worked there.

00:59:42.99
Ricky: Yeah.

00:59:44.08
Flav: it's Always going to fail. Terrible shot.

00:59:46.08
Ricky: i thought I thought that might be the ah the answer to that.

00:59:48.10
Flav: Yeah, the best thing about it was the entertainment bar, which is redundant now in the pick and mix.

00:59:52.34
Ricky: Oh, God.

00:59:53.06
Flav: All the rest was just tat.

00:59:53.88
Ricky: Fucking pick a mix is so expensive now!

00:59:56.42
Flav: Bye-bye. No.

00:59:57.30
Ricky: Fucking ridiculous.

00:59:58.03
Flav: They do it by the weight of the bag and all these sweets weigh loads. you know

01:00:01.11
Ricky: Yeah. ah Blockbusters.

01:00:06.09
Flav: I'll bring it back.

01:00:06.99
Ricky: Yeah.

01:00:08.10
Flav: Blockbuster's years. Do you remember, Rick, like on a Friday night? You don't. Because entertainment was restricted to a box in the front room.

01:00:18.16
Ricky: Yeah.

01:00:18.29
Flav: Or if you're lucky, you had you had a ah of VHS. And they, um… Maybe a Sega Mega Drive or something like that.

01:00:25.96
Ricky: Yeah.

01:00:26.45
Flav: and a TV in your room. And on a Friday night, school's finished. And for you at that age, a weekend felt like it was going to go on forever.

01:00:35.64
Ricky: Yeah.

01:00:36.19
Flav: And you would go around there and the smell and the carpet. And he was allowed to pick a game and maybe a movie.

01:00:42.26
Ricky: Yeah.

01:00:42.94
Flav: And… We were going to get pizza.

01:00:45.24
Ricky: Ah.

01:00:45.46
Flav: Mate, that is the best. That's the childhood.

01:00:46.81
Ricky: Yeah.

01:00:47.42
Flav: That's like ideal. Not all the time, but those moments you remember. I remember running around to run blockbusters. When it first came as well, I was like, oh my God, this big American store has just arrived because America was so cool when we were kids.

01:00:58.50
Ricky: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

01:01:02.94
Flav: popcorn and Yeah. mate it would be great

01:01:06.55
Ricky: And didn't they have like a video stack behind each other? Like…

01:01:09.97
Flav: Yeah, so you had the front Front cover. And then if it was in…

01:01:12.04
Ricky: yeahy Yeah, yeah Yeah.

01:01:14.08
Flav: They had the blue box behind it.

01:01:15.64
Ricky: Yeah.

01:01:16.27
Flav: and you That's what you would they would put the case in. But if it was out, it would mean… Someone's already taken it.

01:01:21.10
Ricky: Yeah, um the…

01:01:21.65
Flav: And then you'd ask them if anyone's dropped it off.

01:01:23.45
Ricky: Yeah. The amount of times you get there and it's not there.

01:01:26.36
Flav: Good night. nah

01:01:26.79
Ricky: You're like, fuck's sake.

01:01:28.44
Flav: But that was part of the fun because it meant you'd have to find another one then.

01:01:28.65
Ricky: Who's got that?

01:01:30.96
Flav: You'd be there for ages.

01:01:32.72
Ricky: What about… ah

01:01:33.52
Flav: and you would watch the whole film. It won't be like Netflix. It's like, oh, this is shit. Turn it off.

01:01:37.78
Ricky: Yeah.

01:01:38.07
Flav: Or this music, this album is no good for me. I'm gonna just not listen to it anymore if you spent 15 quid on a CD. You fucking listen to it whether you liked it or not a lot

01:01:47.27
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:49.46
Flav: until eventually it came around.

01:01:52.90
Ricky: Exactly. And and pulled through all the ah artwork. Who produced this?

01:01:56.88
Flav: Yeah.

01:01:57.40
Ricky: Who did this?

01:01:57.43
Flav: Oh, man. did Did you ever have any albums you didn't like but grew to love because you had them on CV? you didn't like at the start

01:02:05.30
Ricky: um Yes. Um… I think ah i mean this this is going back some.

01:02:16.45
Ricky: And this is mental. Do you remember that? I think they had one song. A puddle of mud.

01:02:24.87
Flav: Puddle of the Mud is the name of the song.

01:02:26.63
Ricky: Oh, we see.

01:02:26.88
Flav: ah So name of the band name of the band

01:02:28.64
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, and I can't remember the song, but I bought it off off the point of the single.

01:02:30.59
Flav: I've got to find you now.

01:02:33.49
Ricky: And it was like, the singer was good. The rest of it was shit.

01:02:36.21
Flav: Yeah.

01:02:35.94
Ricky: But I was like, I've bought this. I need to invest some time. So every time I put it on and be doing somewhere, it's me.

01:02:41.32
Flav: She fucking hates me.

01:02:43.04
Ricky: yeah that

01:02:44.08
Flav: yeah She fucking hates me. ah

01:02:48.92
Ricky: Yeah.

01:02:49.96
Flav: ah Yeah, they were they were pap.

01:02:51.85
Ricky: They were, but I you know yeah i grew to a group grew into it, grew into the album. You got to.

01:02:56.56
Flav: Yeah. I… So… I heard. ah Get In The Ring by Guns N' Roses, the first time first song I'd ever heard from them.

01:03:04.78
Ricky: Yeah.

01:03:05.95
Flav: Uh… I think that was it. Or it might have been Liv and… No, it was… It was the Terminator song. They did the feature song on Terminator.

01:03:14.08
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah

01:03:16.01
Flav: When your bitch slap rapping and your cotan cocaine tongue, you get nothing done.

01:03:20.35
Ricky: Nothing. um

01:03:22.04
Flav: I said you could be my ass.

01:03:23.33
Ricky: You. Bye.

01:03:27.53
Flav: mate so good

01:03:28.28
Ricky: Yeah, it's real good.

01:03:28.58
Flav: So I bought the albums and that and that obviously turned out to be gold. Bye. The one that really fucked me up. because but like this is the only way you could listen to the rest of the album was to buy one or borrow it off your mate.

01:03:38.41
Ricky: Yeah.

01:03:40.92
Flav: And the Top Loader.

01:03:43.18
Ricky: Oh, God.

01:03:43.55
Flav: Um, ah What's the main song?

01:03:46.69
Ricky: Dancing in the moonlight.

01:03:47.63
Flav: Achilles' heel. yeah Not that song. I hated that. It's Achilles' heel.

01:03:52.98
Ricky: Who was that one?

01:03:54.38
Flav: uh,

01:03:56.50
Flav: I feel love flow like a river flow, you and I standing still, you're my Kelly's hill.

01:03:58.24
Ricky: Ah! Yeah, yeah, yeah

01:04:04.02
Flav: that was a great song. The fucking so album is… Trash.

01:04:09.41
Ricky: ah

01:04:09.72
Flav: And I listened to Ash way more than I would have done if I hadn't.

01:04:13.27
Ricky: Yeah.

01:04:13.54
Flav: Had the albums But you know, I think that's why I love Radiohead so much. Now. Because I had to work for those.

01:04:21.52
Ricky: Mmm.

01:04:22.43
Flav: My dad had all the albums. It was great because my dad had…

01:04:23.88
Ricky: Yeah.

01:04:24.91
Flav: hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of CDs. loads and he had the best hi-fi equipment and stuff like that i think we talked about this before but

01:04:31.72
Ricky: Yeah.

01:04:32.34
Flav: Yeah. So I would be able to listen to all this stuff. um but the radio had ones that the It's been… just It would end and I'd put it back to the beginning and listen to it again. it's fucking

01:04:43.01
Ricky: Like you saying that you had to work for it This is what I've always been interested in. Um, Especially with Radiohead. Like they have some tunes that are fucking out there.

01:04:53.29
Flav: Yeah.

01:04:53.71
Ricky: And I mean really out there.

01:04:56.08
Flav: Yeah.

01:04:56.20
Ricky: Like in comparison to. Me. middle of the road Same fucking indie band, guitars, drums, like that. kind of commercial indie.

01:05:07.28
Ricky: And then going to Radiohead and then hearing some… kind of feedback and then Tom, you'll. squealing on a track.

01:05:16.15
Flav: but what

01:05:16.22
Ricky: And I'm like, I've listened to it and I'm like. I can't go back and listen to that to to to feel to to feel myself getting into it.

01:05:25.60
Flav: Yeah, i um I understand what you're saying.

01:05:29.34
Ricky: Yeah.

01:05:29.94
Flav: The thing is, is that… When… If you listen to the albums chronologically, Your… You are eased into it. it's not like It's not if you listen to the first album. It's a pretty typical Pablo, honey It's pretty typical.

01:05:46.12
Flav: grungy

01:05:47.44
Ricky: Yeah.

01:05:47.57
Flav: you know pretty the average album it's okay it's good there's obviously creeps on it there's a couple more bangers but generally

01:05:51.31
Ricky: Yeah.

01:05:53.82
Flav: People don't listen to Pablo Honey.

01:05:55.56
Ricky: Fake plastic trees sat on there

01:05:57.45
Flav: No, that was on the bends.

01:05:58.46
Ricky: Oh.

01:05:59.02
Flav: ah I think that's on the bend. So Ben's then become a little bit more traditional sort of UK rock. So that they evolved from that. And an OK computer was its own thing in its own right.

01:06:10.09
Flav: And then from there, they they they shifted. But there's tons of different genres of music. and on Okay computer. and then And then they start to get a little bit more experimental. So Kid A was a much more electronic album.

01:06:22.59
Flav: And… Amnesiac was more sort of jazz and… Uh…

01:06:29.81
Flav: I don't know how else to describe it. Sort of electronic. Jazz. There's a lot of sort of high hats and…

01:06:33.42
Ricky: Yeah.

01:06:37.14
Flav: Um,

01:06:36.87
Ricky: It…

01:06:38.34
Flav: So… You're eased into it a little bit. And then… You get to King of Limbs. And you either like it or you don't. Uh… I understand why people struggle with King of Limbs, but when if you give it your time, and and to be fair, how to the FIFA's.

01:06:54.61
Flav: and one one that I enjoy less than most there are other albums.

01:06:58.77
Ricky: ah I thought that was a great album.

01:07:00.67
Flav: Did you?

01:07:01.10
Ricky: yeahy Yeah, yeah. For sure.

01:07:02.78
Flav: I think they're all great albums. I don't think they've made a bad album. I'm just saying if you feel like you have to rank it. that for me would go quite low, I think.

01:07:10.56
Ricky: like Do you… um And because you're brought into Radiohead and it's your favourite band, do you think you're more… um accepting like what I mean is Arctic Monkeys.

01:07:22.61
Ricky: One of my favorite bands, probably second. And the… the different direction even the way how alex sings Like loads of people fucking loathe the last two albums and they can't, yeah, what they've turned into and stuff like that.

01:07:34.74
Flav: What? what they've turned into.

01:07:39.34
Ricky: I love it, man. I absolutely love it. But… When I first played the album, I was a bit like. Oh. oh god like what how am i gonna and then i I carried on listening and listening.

01:07:47.39
Flav: What is this? How many more?

01:07:51.04
Ricky: Then I was like, okay.

01:07:52.92
Flav: Ha ha.

01:07:52.89
Ricky: and i ran out

01:07:53.82
Flav: How many more after… that Was it Summit Hotel?

01:07:58.66
Ricky: Tranquility Base Hotel.

01:08:00.87
Flav: how they had How many more albums after that have they produced?

01:08:00.90
Ricky: and casino. uh one i think it was the car after that

01:08:05.51
Flav: Right, okay, yeah. So I… That was the first album I really struggled with.

01:08:09.87
Ricky: Yes.

01:08:10.09
Flav: And I didn't enjoy the change in tone. But I don't think AM sounds like… Um… their first album

01:08:18.21
Ricky: Yeah.

01:08:18.73
Flav: I think it is different. You can see that they've moved into a different…

01:08:19.70
Ricky: yeahy Yeah, yeah.

01:08:21.33
Flav: And I think AM's… A fucking impeccable album.

01:08:24.25
Ricky: Yeah.

01:08:24.33
Flav: so It's a great album. But I admire that. It doesn't matter if you don't like it. They've they've got to do what they want to do. And they've got they can't just keep be doing…

01:08:35.18
Flav: Tales from San Francisco or whatever it's called. for the rest of their lives, it would be pathetic.

01:08:37.19
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

01:08:39.87
Flav: It's probably why they don't want to play it. We want to hear it.

01:08:41.86
Ricky: Yeah.

01:08:42.39
Flav: but they don't want to play it.

01:08:43.36
Ricky: I want to hear it in that accent as well.

01:08:44.80
Flav: yeah Do the accent and sing it how you recorded it because you keep changing the way you're singing it.

01:08:47.36
Ricky: Yeah.

01:08:49.07
Flav: That is irritating.

01:08:49.56
Ricky: Yeah, yeah and ah yeah, and the way they play it as well.

01:08:50.09
Flav: because you know Yeah, and it's like… You know that people are here for that.

01:08:57.01
Ricky: Yeah.

01:08:57.00
Flav: They're here for that. They're here for a lot of it, but they they're definitely here for that. So you should. I think you should give it to them in the way that they… and they they they first it the way you first made it.

01:09:05.95
Ricky: Yeah.

01:09:06.64
Flav: but they probably get frustrated with playing that shit. So, um… You don't have to like it. And I had my own. then you know them changing I think I think people…

01:09:17.68
Flav: Some people turned off from Radiohead after. Okay computer. In fact, I know they did like when they were really popular.

01:09:22.57
Ricky: Yeah.

01:09:24.69
Flav: but Peace.

01:09:28.08
Flav: Genius, all of it. It's the ah don't i It winds me up when people don't get ready, Ed.

01:09:34.90
Ricky: Yeah.

01:09:34.98
Flav: How can you not? I'm not, if you become a massive fan is one thing.

01:09:39.24
Ricky: Yeah.

01:09:39.65
Flav: But you can't not listen to… everything in its right place and not realize that you're listening to Genius.

01:09:48.12
Ricky: Yeah.

01:09:48.57
Flav: Like that has been used to death everywhere. And you listen to it now, Ricky, and it still sounds fucking amazing. 01:09:50.100 Ricky Yeah, yeah, yeah

01:09:54.27
Ricky: Yeah.

01:09:56.33
Flav: So amazing.

01:09:56.46
Ricky: Yeah, I totally agree.

01:09:58.74
Flav: Yeah.

01:09:59.16
Ricky: Right, we are going to go on to… Oh, fuck, where am I? I'm lost. We're going to go on to… there's ah There's a quick dilemma to answer and something only you know. The topic for next week, 1984, George Orwell and other dystopian novels. We've covered that. If you want to add anything… to the show Lads anon. Pod.

01:10:19.98
Ricky: at gmail dot com And we will read it out. ah The first dilemma. is where is here we are

01:10:59.43
Ricky: This one's more for you Flav. Hey lads! Wanted some advice if anyone has experience. Has anyone in here… ever had. A rescue dog.

01:11:11.86
Ricky: We got one last weekend.

01:11:13.53
Flav: Yeah.

01:11:13.63
Ricky: and to say it's been stressful is an understatement. Do you have any advice please? Yeah.

01:11:20.75
Flav: That's it. That's what we've got going.

01:11:21.82
Ricky: Yeah. yeah

01:11:22.69
Flav: What's it doing?

01:11:24.15
Ricky: I… Don't.

01:11:25.47
Flav: Is it? Is it aggressive? Is it peeing everywhere? Is it pooing?

01:11:29.06
Ricky: Amen.

01:11:28.79
Flav: Is it all of those things?

01:11:30.09
Ricky: Yeah, that, yeah.

01:11:31.64
Flav: How old is it? i need What breed is it? and need like

01:11:34.80
Ricky: Right, let me see.

01:11:35.27
Flav: Yeah.

01:11:35.48
Ricky: It was that.

01:11:36.03
Flav: In my limited… Limited. advice I can give might be able to help. but some of that stuff.

01:11:41.90
Ricky: Right.

01:11:42.50
Flav: Um… The reality is I've had three rescue dogs. And they all presented… different Um… Problems Um,

01:11:56.43
Flav: And some are manageable, others aren't. like that We had a dog called Tuxedo who… ah It was never going to work. He was just not meant to be inside.

01:12:05.98
Ricky: ah

01:12:06.48
Flav: Want it out.

01:12:07.25
Ricky: I've never heard of this dog, Tuxedo.

01:12:08.90
Flav: Yeah. he didn't last long eventually we we took him out into the woods and he escaped his leash and ran off and never came back

01:12:15.64
Ricky: Oh, fucking hell.

01:12:16.78
Flav: Yeah. um it's look Whether you get a puppy or a rescue dog, there's always challenges. And there were times with Frank. when he was a puppy that i thought We've made a mistake.

01:12:28.29
Flav: We've made him say it.

01:12:29.03
Ricky: ah

01:12:29.24
Flav: On Christmas Eve when he…

01:12:30.13
Ricky: ah

01:12:31.41
Flav: He pulled my TV down and smashed it on the floor.

01:12:34.30
Ricky: Oh.

01:12:34.52
Flav: I'm like that we've we've made We've made a mistake.

01:12:35.25
Ricky: Good lord.

01:12:37.87
Flav: When he's like a little tank and charging around the around the house. because he just can't burn off energy because he's young.

01:12:41.04
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

01:12:44.83
Flav: you know we've made a mistake And then eventually, typically it clicks. If you're persistent with the training, things things click. but You might be inheriting a dog that…

01:12:56.17
Flav: has been trauma and been mistreated. like Need more. That's it.

01:13:00.85
Ricky: Yeah, I remember you sending photos to the group many years ago of when you first got Frank. ah Slippers. just garden

01:13:08.71
Flav: But now…

01:13:09.54
Ricky: Yeah.

01:13:09.80
Flav: Well?

01:13:10.47
Ricky: Well, even now, slippers.

01:13:11.44
Flav: yeah yeah know When he gets excited, he'll pick up a pair of shoes and carry them off somewhere.

01:13:15.12
Ricky: I remember when we were around yours, people were people like, we're going out down the pub.

01:13:17.32
Flav: Yeah.

01:13:19.55
Ricky: Where's my train? It was in the garden. and and Frank had taken it.

01:13:23.08
Flav: It will pick up a shoe and just take it away into the garden. And obviously… He doesn't know.

01:13:28.61
Ricky: Eh.

01:13:28.15
Flav: what it is you just like shoes And so you like you're ready to go to work and there's just a shoe missing. he Luckily, he doesn't tear them up anymore.

01:13:34.61
Ricky: ah

01:13:36.13
Flav: But then you're looking around the whole house to find a fucking… rat rogue shoe. That's it.

01:13:41.42
Ricky: Right. m A little bit more information. We got, oh dear Lord. We've got a Rottweiler. crossed with a Doberman. And he howls if he's left alone for even a minute.

01:13:49.51
Flav: My Lord.

01:13:52.89
Flav: Yeah. Yeah.

01:13:54.55
Ricky: I'm having to sleep on the sofa. Uh, as he's being crate trained. And can't go upstairs himself. It's been a struggle.

01:14:02.50
Flav: Yeah.

01:14:04.27
Ricky: So…

01:14:05.00
Flav: Well, you had that information already.

01:14:06.76
Ricky: Yeah, it was in Discord, so… um the The lad's Discord, so…

01:14:08.54
Flav: Ah. Um…

01:14:10.39
Ricky: um

01:14:14.14
Flav: Yeah, I wouldn't say a Doberman and a Rottweiler is the first time a dog either.

01:14:18.50
Ricky: All right.

01:14:20.32
Flav: Your first dog should be like a whippet. Or a…

01:14:22.37
Ricky: Yeah. Take it back.

01:14:25.67
Flav: You don't want to take it back. It's obviously got separation anxiety.

01:14:28.16
Ricky: Yeah.

01:14:28.41
Flav: So it doesn't want to be left alone. That's common in dogs.

01:14:30.98
Ricky: Yeah.

01:14:31.44
Flav: as common in dogs and people who think I don't want to leave him for two minutes. I've got my dog.

01:14:35.34
Ricky: Yeah.

01:14:35.98
Flav: I love my dog so much. Fucking… My first girlfriend was like that and Rose became a limpet.

01:14:41.04
Ricky: Yeah.

01:14:41.33
Flav: wouldn't leave her side. She could go anywhere.

01:14:43.37
Ricky: Yeah.

01:14:43.99
Flav: So when you've got Frank and my other dogs, it's important that they spend time on their own sport and they spend time on their own. Now we can leave the house for a couple of hours now. And Frank just curls up and goes to sleep. because he There's no issue because you've trained from a young age that.

01:14:56.09
Flav: he doesn't have to worry when you You're leaving him.

01:14:58.85
Ricky: For that.

01:14:59.88
Flav: Yeah. um But it's got to be done from a puppy.

01:15:02.62
Ricky: yet.

01:15:03.16
Flav: And. So you… He will stop howling eventually. But you have to endure that. And know that. he'll know that you're coming back So… uh Yeah, I would say leave leave him to Howe.

01:15:20.70
Ricky: What about, like, you… like you

01:15:21.75
Flav: And then an hour later, come back in, but do not look at the dog. do something in that room like maybe you make a sandwich or

01:15:25.63
Ricky: Oh.

01:15:29.04
Flav: Put something in a bin. Do not engage with a dog.

01:15:30.40
Ricky: Oh. 01:15:31.100 Flav When we come back. Leave him back in the room again and he'll start howling. Like 15 minutes later, go back in, don't look don't look at the dog. And the dog will realize. that like a child that certain behaviors don't get the same in reaction Also, if you've got separation anxiety.

01:15:48.44
Flav: and you leave the dog because you have you have to you have to do things about the dog sometimes When you come back, do not… engage with the dog. for five minutes. Right? when it's If it's going mental, jumping around.

01:16:00.58
Flav: When you come back, if you reward it. with lots of fuss and treats. they are going to think… Everything I've done, this is the justification. this is what I'm going to do again.

01:16:10.83
Flav: Because at the end, the reward is given. 01:16:10.100 Ricky Ah.

01:16:13.11
Flav: So you come in, you do, you take your bag off. Don't even make eye contact with the dog. It will calm down.

01:16:18.54
Ricky: God damn.

01:16:18.73
Flav: And once it's calm, you sit down and then you give them a little stroke on the head. and Something like that. But it's it's because you separate the event of arriving. So it isn't this huge commotion.

01:16:27.99
Ricky: Yeah.

01:16:28.95
Flav: It's a very calm thing. that Leaving and coming is a calm thing. So that's what you… That's what you have to try to achieve. but It's not easy. it's like this I'm talking like I'm some sort of Sajan. dog behaviour. I'm not. like i that I don't have my dog off off a leash because I don't trust him.

01:16:45.18
Ricky: Yeah.

01:16:45.66
Flav: to come back to me if I ask him to come.

01:16:47.65
Ricky: Yeah.

01:16:48.43
Flav: I think that he would be more interested in the cat across the road or another dog or a deer in the thing.

01:16:51.49
Ricky: Yep. Yeah.

01:16:53.07
Flav: So because I don't have control of the dog… It's staying on the leash where I do have control of it

01:16:58.61
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

01:17:00.12
Flav: um People are fucking especially with small dogs. They just let the dog run off and it's fine Have your dog off the leash if you have control of it, if it listens to you. If it doesn't listen to you put your fucking dog on a leash.

01:17:11.49
Ricky: Yeah. Good.

01:17:13.04
Flav: Because my dog is on a leash and if your dog runs at my dog, my dog inevitably will… Eat your dog.

01:17:18.17
Ricky: Yeah, good.

01:17:19.56
Flav: And if it does, it's on you because I've got my dog on the leash.

01:17:21.40
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

01:17:24.14
Flav: Anyway.

01:17:24.90
Ricky: Um… One thing that does always… um worry me about getting a dog like this gentleman has just said you know when you like you go to bed and it's left downstairs and it's it's whining all night because you you've you've gone upstairs what do you do do you just ignore it

01:17:37.98
Flav: Hmm.

01:17:40.26
Flav: No, I haven't been talking to my bed with me.

01:17:42.25
Ricky: No, when it was when it was young. being crate trained and all that, lot or did he just have the run of the…

01:17:46.32
Flav: ah um we I don't have create training. We didn't do create training.

01:17:49.09
Ricky: Right, okay.

01:17:50.21
Flav: Uh, When we needed to do stuff, we would lock him in the… um Lada.

01:17:56.42
Ricky: Right, okay.

01:17:57.39
Flav: And then he'd learnt how to open the larder door, so that didn't work anymore. ah But we don't we didn't have we don't have crates and we never had crate training, no.

01:18:05.58
Ricky: Okay, fair enough.

01:18:05.79
Flav: but it's not common It's not common in the UK, crate training.

01:18:07.75
Ricky: Yeah.

01:18:07.99
Flav: I think it's much more an American thing.

01:18:09.82
Ricky: Yeah.

01:18:10.90
Flav: Um, But a place to send them to be comfortable is a good thing. I can see why why there's an attraction to it. but Yeah, we It was never a problem because we always had the dog on the bed. Some people don't, but we we did.

01:18:22.81
Flav: I like it I like it happening, man.

01:18:22.87
Ricky: Fair. Yay. i I remember when I…

01:18:26.56
Flav: It comes up. It comes up. And he goes in between us. And he lays his delays down against my chest.

01:18:32.80
Ricky: Oh god.

01:18:33.25
Flav: And then he just goes. Sigh.

01:18:35.73
Ricky: Oh yeah.

01:18:35.93
Flav: And then he goes to sleep.

01:18:37.36
Ricky: Oh.

01:18:37.70
Flav: It's the best.

01:18:38.48
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

01:18:38.70
Flav: I'm going to miss him so much when he's gone man.

01:18:40.93
Ricky: Uh…

01:18:41.11
Flav: I don't know what to do. is that

01:18:42.18
Ricky: i don't Don't think about it.

01:18:44.31
Flav: Got to think about it.

01:18:45.45
Ricky: No.

01:18:46.46
Flav: so He's like nine maybe be nine in August. So he's probably got… Five years. if we're lucky.

01:18:52.64
Ricky: Five good years.

01:18:53.83
Flav: Yeah, of course, they'll be good years. like I think the kindest thing you can do is… As long as you have a vet to ensure that this is okay. is said before they go for any major discomfort.

01:19:04.60
Ricky: Yeah.

01:19:05.42
Flav: Like we had poor little Bessie and she had a brain tumor we didn't know. And…

01:19:08.38
Ricky: Fuck.

01:19:09.60
Flav: she would just pace, constantly pace, pacing, pacing, pacing, pacing for about two days and was like, what is going on? took it to the vet and they had a scan and they found she had a big tumor on her head so immediately can relieve her of that pain they have no concept of being alive they just are and they exist and you can take that away

01:19:23.43
Ricky: Yeah.

01:19:26.12
Flav: without them being scared

01:19:28.92
Ricky: Fuck.

01:19:30.81
Flav: I mean, it's pub. P-uh… Oscar down.

01:19:34.14
Ricky: Oh Jesus.

01:19:35.14
Flav: In that instance, do you remember me, Oscar?

01:19:36.95
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, I did. j ah Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:37.81
Flav: Is that… Bullmastiff.

01:19:39.19
Ricky: Yeah.

01:19:39.48
Flav: slash staff cross that. Um, and we had to put him down they came around because i think his back legs went or something I can't remember exactly why. And… they I held his head.

01:19:52.29
Flav: and then he put the injection in and he just slipped away and you could see the light go. Really strange.

01:19:58.03
Ricky: oh my god

01:19:59.02
Flav: You should see him. Just slip. And after whatever the next thing is, probably nothing.

01:20:05.34
Ricky: Duh, three dishes. This has been good.

01:20:09.29
Flav: but

01:20:11.85
Ricky: Right.

01:20:11.73
Flav: Any other dogs I have to put down?

01:20:12.95
Ricky: ah ah Right, something only you know.

01:20:23.39
Ricky: Hi lads. Love the show and I've wanted to send this in for ages but never got the time. Hope you both enjoy. Once upon a time before two kids and a dog and and a house that doesn't allow a moment's alone time, my wife and I had a little flat.

01:20:38.73
Ricky: and we were very proud of it we were on the property ladder we were grown-ups apologies, I digress. One night in our little flat my wife went to bed early. And I was relaxing watching boring TV.

01:20:51.90
Ricky: Out of nowhere. A phantom boner had appeared. Weinstrauben I needed to rub one out. My predicament was that our little flat was small and our bedroom was a mere eight foot from the living room.

01:21:05.41
Ricky: My wife has always been a light sleeper. This needs to be low level noise. Swift and efficient. I load up a bit of porn on the mobile Down with the pants.

01:21:17.62
Ricky: Blank it over me just in case. So we're off. I start tugging away. And not long after, Obviously, the wife starts plodding down the hall For fuck's sake.

01:21:29.44
Ricky: I chuck the phone under the blanket in panic. wife comes into the living room and starts a fucking conversation. All I can hear faintly in the background is moaning and groaning and balls slapping against cheeks. My wife doesn't hear or see the phone.

01:21:45.81
Ricky: as hidden under the blanket but ask why I'm acting weird. I have an overwhelming feeling to be truthful. I tell her. I was having a wank.

01:21:56.88
Ricky: She looks at me. looks at the TV And these words have stuck with me forever. A wank. To Ross Kemp. You weirdo.

01:22:09.24
Ricky: She thought I was knocking one out to Ross Kemp in Afghanistan. Now my embarrassment has doubled. So I chased her down the short hallway with shorts around my ankles, waving my phone to her with Pornhub playing. Now… every time ross kemp is on the telly my wife always says Do you want me to get you some tissues?

01:22:29.35
Flav: doubly

01:22:29.29
Ricky: And that. is something only I know.

01:22:30.33
Flav: Good. That is very good

01:22:33.11
Ricky: very good very good

01:22:34.16
Flav: can i um Before you go, can I read you something? cases posted in the group

01:22:36.65
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, please Please.

01:22:38.91
Flav: If you eliminate drinking, partying and lust, you'll realize you actually don't have anything in common with a lot of people around you. That realization can feel lonely, not because you've changed but because the activities disappeared and so did the conversations.

01:22:53.14
Flav: Many friendships survive on shared habits, the bar, the weekend party, the gossip, the chase, remove the habit and the connection often weakens. That's why it's important to have still have some of those habits, but to keep them secret.

01:23:06.02
Flav: Tell people you're sober. but don't actually be that The one. the woman tells people This woman tells people she's doing ketamine therapy, and she is, but she's also doing regular ketamine also. Pretty cool, right?

01:23:18.93
Flav: Remember, life is about balance. Go outside, be active, take a hike with your friends and maybe when you sneak off for a quick piss, you'll do a little bump. Peace. These two is a picture above these two met at AA. And guess what? They're both secretly wasted. Who cares?

01:23:34.63
Flav: They're about to see the new Minions movie and not remember any of it. Life is about lying to yourself. We all do it. It's called being an adult. Take some shrooms, go to the woods alone, have a Snickers, whatever.

01:23:46.66
Flav: it's If you're not following us, you know what? Good. Get off this app. This shit is poison, bro. Go and have a freedom with two people from work. call your mum drink some water you dork

01:23:58.06
Flav: how good is that

01:23:59.24
Ricky: ah Let's call it a.

01:24:01.95
Flav: and

01:24:02.06
Ricky: And correct as well.

01:24:03.28
Flav: Yeah, correct.

01:24:03.87
Ricky: That is… This week's Lads Anonymous. Next week, we're going to be… covering 1984. Email us in with anything you've got. at no ladsanonpod at gmail .com and until then we'll see you next week

01:24:21.31
Flav: Bye.

01:24:21.44
Ricky: Say it. Good.

01:24:26.35
Flav: Crazy Lies Band of brothers high with tunes high as kites.

01:24:38.16
Flav: played. All right.

01:24:47.68
Flav: Brothers.