#168 | American Serial Killers | Monsters Hiding in Plain Sight

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Ricky: I've got a massive fucking ulcer. And this.

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Flav: Let me…

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Ricky: I know. Like I can't. A- And I barely can drink. It's like… The crater of the fucking moon in my mouth.

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Flav: What how was it? What'd you do burn you? Come on.

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Ricky: No, I don't know I just woke up one morning and it's there.

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Flav: Did you?

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Flav: Must have bit your gum.

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Ricky: Yeah, I think I did that in my sleep.

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Flav: Yeah, I used to get loads of ulcers when I was a kid, but i don't as an adult, I haven't. I can't remember the last time I had one.

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Ricky: I do, I regularly get… I mean, say regularly, but I do get ulcers. I never get… um You either get one or the other, ulcers or… um What's the other one?

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Ricky: You know, the one on your lips, the crusty thing on your lip.

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Flav: Close law. Kauso, sorry.

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Ricky: Yeah. Yeah, cultural.

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Flav: That's herpes.

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Ricky: Yeah, it is. mommy Hang on a second.

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Flav: you get You don't get it from sucking dick later in life. You get it from from sucking dick at one time.

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Ricky: Right, okay.

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Flav: You do not have it.

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Ricky: I don't.

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Flav: All right. Well. She got it from someone.

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Ricky: Ah, for God's sake.

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Flav: Kissing as well is kissing as well. I get them, but very rarely, very rarely. and If you get them now, it's if you're run down, the virus comes out, but you you live with it for the rest of your life.

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Ricky: Yeah, I…

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Flav: You've never had a culture.

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Ricky: Never. My missus like gets cold sores in her nose and stuff like that.

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Flav: I'm sure she wants the world to know this, Ricky.

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Ricky: I mean, like it's… health in it.

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Flav: Yeah. No. my missus gets on the lip and every now and then when I'm run down I might get one as well but Never.

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Ricky: Is it because you kiss her when she's got one?

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Flav: is No, that's a common myth as well. that You get them. You contract the virus. but from that way or having sex or Or kissing.

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Flav: Bop. once. The… if if you kiss if you already have the virus you're not more likely to get a cold sore because you're kissing someone with a cold cold sore it's down to whether or not your immune system is low. That's why it comes out, not because you've been…

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Ricky: Check out Dr. Flav over here. Fucking…

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Flav: I told you before I used to write sexual health booklets, didn't I Phil?

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Ricky: Oh yeah, course, course, course, course.

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Flav: So I know about

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Ricky: ah talking Talking about um health, actually. And oversharing missus. You know that my missus was in. hospital she had some abnormality blood abnormalities

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Flav: Hmm.

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Ricky: I went to hospital, got checked out, anemic, and she's got a… an infection or something like that ah but she's fine And ah for for those kind of like for that day while she was.

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Ricky: the The doctor said, you have to go to A &E. It's really important. You've got to go now. And then she was transferred to another part of the hospital. and it was very kind of like on top lots of tests and lots of results and all that a lot completely wiped her out. And but she's fine.

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Ricky: But… As she was leaving, She said to the the nurse, said We've got your results. You're fine to go home. We'll do another check in a month.

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Ricky: And my missus said, god for a second i thought i had cancer then and like laughed and she was expecting a bit of back and forth with the nurse.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: And the nurse just said, we'll see you again in a month. and walked away. and That has lived. it might miss his head rent free.

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Flav: Fucking hell.

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Ricky: Because she didn't come back and say anything. There was no like… Maybe not banter.

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Flav: that's That's called bedside manner. that's It's like a common term in the hospitals. It's like some… Some have it, some don't. and The. A lot of nurses are having millions of conversations like this.

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Flav: every single day same with like doctors and whatnot my mum talks a lot about bedside manner and she works she's worked in hospitals for 30 years

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: And. They don't. or aren't trained or so immune. to other people's fear. because they're experiencing it. every single minute of the day pretty much if you work in a hospital.

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Flav: that they just don't. ah but But obviously… Fuel. For your missus, that's not. She doesn't. right so she was expecting to be made to feel Uh, but Better by saying those words, right?

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Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

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Flav: but

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Ricky: And…

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Flav: It doesn't mean that they think she's got cancer.

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Ricky: No.

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Flav: But. It doesn't help.

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Ricky: No, and my missus is Teflon, right? I don't think she's like when we've spoken about my when I suffer from anxiety or. uh spoken about depression or any kind of thing like that I'm pretty sure she's never, well, she says she's never.

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Ricky: felt anything like that. Um, And she just goes about her day. Just being. her and she's Got no recollection of it ever feeling that way anyway.

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Ricky: So this sent her in a bit of a kind of a health spiral and I was like fuck like I'm watching it from the other side because I regularly have these.

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Flav: oh

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Ricky: And now she's having one. And last night we were on. Facebook while I was on Facebook and someone we know at Their post was…

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Ricky: I went in for routine blood. And I. Go. blood abnormalities. The results came back. and I have acute leukemia.

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Flav: Talking out.

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Ricky: which is obviously horrendous.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: and My missus has seen that and now she's just. Think she's got.

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Flav: Leukemia.

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Ricky: The Kames, yeah.

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Flav: um They should do better. Doctors should do better to make you feel better.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: Um… you know The likelihood that is that she… Absolutely hasn't. There's nothing wrong with her.

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Ricky: Uh, yeah.

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Flav: but That's not how anxiety works, is it? um She should go back to her GP. That's what she should do.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: Uh…

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Ricky: I'll… um

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Flav: go back to a gp and say look this is what happened this is how i was left And now. you know I don't feel reassured at all. And. um Can you just help me here to understand what's going on? because I don't know.

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Ricky: Health hang anxiety is mad, innit?

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Flav: ah

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Ricky: especially as you get older.

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Flav: Yeah. I think everybody has it ever to some degree. Everybody. thinks oh shit get a pain in their chest or something and You wake up and… ah like I've got…

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Flav: inflammation in my hip every… It comes every three or four months. I just get it in my hips. It's just an agony. And you're like, oh, it's probably bone cancer.

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Ricky: Uh, no.

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Flav: Probably is.

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Ricky: But yeah you you can attribute, you your dad had a bad hip.

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Flav: I'm just saying.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: So…

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Flav: So probably it might be that. But it's it I know what it is. It's inflammation. in the hip because i've had it before and i've had it looked at and it's like It's random information or it can be because you might have slept on it funny and it just it's just quite painful, but it's nothing more than that.

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Flav: But each time it comes, I go, all right, no, that's definitely bone cancer, 100%.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: I'm riddled. Everybody does. It's fine, normal, but she's not.

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Ricky: Does you… ah

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Flav: She's not going to look at me, Ricky.

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Ricky: ah No, oh let's let's hope not. digital Why if there's only ever.

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Flav: She doesn't worry. I don't know. She doesn't worry about anything.

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Ricky: I've never seen her angry. or flustered or anything in my life.

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Flav: I mean I have, but not… Yeah, I'm not surprised you haven't. It's very rare. Um… No, she just… I'm sure she does worry about things. She's not very communicative, really. in in In total.

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Ricky: Do you think it's her?

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Flav: Which is fine, because I spent 40 nil.

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Ricky: Swiss blood.

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Flav: Yeah, maybe

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Ricky: neutrality

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Flav: Okay. I spent 14 years with someone who…

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Ricky: Just…

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Flav: Told me everything all the time. So this is welcome relief.

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Ricky: Yeah. ah

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Flav: Yeah. um No, she's typically, she's alright. She, uh… She doesn't really panic or worry about things. I i do so more than her. I catastrophize where she doesn't.

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Ricky: does Does she help you? Climb off the ledge.

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Flav: ah Well… this time I mean ah the only time I'm on the ledge was stuff she couldn't really help me with like

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Ricky: Mmm.

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Flav: just a never-ending cycle of the financial implication of buying a house and renovating it. And it… It just doesn't stop. Like we stopped renovating over. about um for about seven months ago.

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Ricky: Hmm.

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Flav: And the fallout to that is just seemingly never ending. It's incredible. So… um But she can't, what can she say? Can't help me with that. what what

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Ricky: No.

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Flav: can Can she magic loads of money? No, so nothing she can say is going to make me feel like less. You know. Anxious about it. But if but general stuff…

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Flav: I guess she could if if she does, but I don't know, man. They don't really… It's hard, isn't it? what can you

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: What can you say to…

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Flav: What can you say to someone who's anxious about their health?

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Ricky: Yeah true.

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Flav: Because… It doesn't make sense. okay

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Ricky: Right, I am… um Gonna start it.

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Ricky: Hello and welcome to Lads Anonymous, it's episode 168. I'm Ricky. He's Flav. Two… Best mates? I've i've got the old…

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Flav: and last I listened to that, ah the the first part of it.

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Ricky: or not that i would

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Ricky: with John.

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Flav: An hour and 45 was a little bit… I thought that was too much Transformers.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: for me to get through. Uh. But, um… Yeah, I heard you digging me out. That was good.

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Ricky: yeah sorry about that

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Flav: Sorry.

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Ricky: Uh, Yeah, so sit back, relax and enjoy the pod. Yeah, I've got the bit that I wrote for John, so sorry.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: sorry

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Flav: That's fine.

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Ricky: Not two exceptionally great mates, two best mates. So there you go. Before we start, I do have a don't listen. uh knows what that is it's nine seconds i really hope it's just not a long far or

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: whatever it is.

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Flav: Mr.

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Ricky: Oh.

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Flav: Cobham

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Ricky: Yeah, good. That's good Um… But what I do want to start with is just a little bit of housekeeping. Now… I'm excited.

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Ricky: Right. I'm thinking exactly the same. And do you think… Either of us have time to write a newsletter. No, we don't. but I… Um. Incredibly scared.

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Flav: Looks good Rick

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Ricky: Send us an email. And… um Yeah. well ah we'll make We'll do what you… want us to do. We'll show whatever you want us to put on there.

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Flav: oh

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Ricky: How are you Flav anyway?

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Flav: Good.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: Yeah, just lot on this week.

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Ricky: Would you? Which you were in where were you yesterday?

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Flav: It was in Manchester doing… The overlap. I think it's the last time I do it.

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Ricky: Right.

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Flav: Fucking hate it. Takes up so much time

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Ricky: Okay.

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Flav: So, I don't know, man. I feel like I have to do it. but it's one of the most great in things and like every time you get a message i join the comment out im la fuck I suppose I have to say yes, but…

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: I don't want to. it's like just it it's not like You go there and I don't know. man I'm just going to whinge. Yeah, I'm a little bit frustrated this week, Rick. Obviously there's a lot of… that's how i feel generally, but I'm all right.

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Ricky: Right, okay. um We'll just go straight into the topic this week. So this week. We are doing. American. Serial killers.

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Flav: Good.

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Ricky: ah As you said, the… um

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Flav: Proper ones in there.

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Ricky: Yeah, the rock stars. The… the the the the You know. Bye, y 'all. the main daddies of this who like if you when you say talk about serial killers

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Flav: Good game. Number one.

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Ricky: Gain. Gaino!

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Flav: You need it. Yeah, I like it. a so iny i you know

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Ricky: I like him.

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Flav: I like it. Hello Mother! But I think the the monster series that they've had, I think it's on Netflix. they' just

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Ricky: Yes.

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Flav: It's so good. I mean, it's… Peace. horrible but we're infatuated as human beings with death and especially violence and death. And. They just found a way of making horrible stories really grim, sort of watchable, even if some of it's a little bit stomach…

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Flav: stomach churning.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: Like the Dharma thing was like not only is it you know, fascinating, but also just incredible series.

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Ricky: Ami-

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Flav: Um,

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Ricky: for For me, I watch both.

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Flav: There's about four or five

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, for for me, who watches nothing, I watch both of them. And it it was absolutely fascinating viewing.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: Right, when did serial killers become Entertainment. Like Netflix do. uh documentaries All that stuff.

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Flav: I'd imagine there's always been some sort of… record of violent murder. or Violent death, brother.

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Ricky: Mmm.

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Flav: um when when they become interesting. I don't know when the first one… would have been, but. I know that… all the women in my life are fascinated by. These stories of murder much more so than men are I know what that's about

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Ricky: Yeah!

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Flav: Like… My step-mom. She'll sit down and watch stuff on… what's it called like i don't know what fuck it's called it's like <unk> like a i can't remember what the name of the channel is but it shows really low rent documentaries

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Ricky: I know what you're talking about.

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Flav: You know what I mean? And since you… That's all. So watch it for that. Four or five. different so series at one time. And she just sits there whenever my dad's doing something, she'll just sit on and put on these murder documentaries. I don't know what it is about the female brain that finds them so fascinating. The same with my ex-girlfriend.

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Ricky: Yeah, I know. I know loads of people and, you know. They're women and they love this stuff

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Flav: Yeah, I don't know why.

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Ricky: It's… Do you think it's like the the fascination? ah Actually, do you know what? I spoke i spoke to one of one of them. i don't know she'll be listening now i don't know how often she she listens she used to listen But. I asked her why.

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Ricky: Shit, like she said… Ta. her fellas at work and she'll stay at home watching all of these documentaries and then when it gets to night time and he's not back yet she's like twitching at the window like what's gonna happen

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Flav: Hmm.

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Ricky: But he said one of the main things that she watched it for is… um how she could if anything ever happened to her how she could plan an escape.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: I was just like…

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Flav: I've heard that before as well. I think that… the it yeah I think it's because women are generally… you Gay men or women. ah generally the sort of the the the target audience for Serial killers it seems to be.

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Flav: Although there's that woman, did you hear the woman who… it was It was actually called Monster, the the the film it was made, and it was played by Charlize Theron. She plays a… She plays a woman who…

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Flav: We pretend. or act as a prostitute. I think she was a prostitute, but she would act as a prostitute and then she would shoot. when When someone would book her, she would shoot them. She killed like six men.

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Ricky: Jesus.

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Flav: I've not heard of that.

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Ricky: No. nay

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Flav: She should be on the list. She's famous.

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Ricky: oh mate so what i mean the the the people that we've got on the list they've got They've got numbers boy. They've got good numbers. and like i think people watch him because um I think it's like ah everyone feels like they're a bit of a psychologist, don't they?

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Ricky: I… didn't have a good relationship with his mum.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: That's why he did it. Or his dad beat him. you can do I understand why he… Why he killed 20 people? But…

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Flav: it's generally like they they have bad like the men have awkward relationships with their mother that are like

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Ricky: um

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: It's hypersexual or… weirdly so just not. You know. Correct.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Flav: Um, That seems to be a common theme.

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Ricky: Yeah, and I think as well… The thing that ah interests me… While I'm watching it. is How they're never caught.

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Flav: I know.

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Ricky: Like. like we'll we'll get into it in a second but the amount of people That's… I don't know. Ted Bundy. killed. or Dharma.

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Ricky: And it took ages for them to be caught. And not they're doing mad stuff, like just fucking throwing dead bodies under their house and shit.

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Flav: Yeah, well, Dennis Nelson, he… chopped up bits and flushed them down the toilet. It's like eventually, I mean, he got caught eventually, but he was unable to kill so many.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Ricky: I don't understand how… And people just go missing. And it's like, well, where are they?

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Flav: Yeah.

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Ricky: I don't know. Just gone.

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Flav: It's generally they target especially the men they target women who you are on the fringes of society that people perhaps wouldn't look for if they had gone missing. like Um…

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Flav: I was trying to think of one.

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Ricky: Right.

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Flav: Like. Gosh, it was a one they made. He was the Zodiac. Have you seen the Zodiac killing?

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Flav: Is that in your list?

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Ricky: ah No, it's not actually.

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Flav: How many fucking have we got in there? If these are not… If Eileen… It's Eileen her name was. a Eileen Warnos was like…

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Ricky: ah

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Flav: She was… She got the lethal injection in 2002 for killing… all these people. Um…

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Ricky: Shit boy.

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Flav: She was shooting them as they were. again. You know, like I said, they would book her to have sex and she would shoot them. There's a there's a film made about it, it was in 2000.

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Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

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Flav: So she she she got the electric chair. Then there was the Zodiac Killers, which is my massive they made a huge film out of that. They never caught him. And he would write to… He would write to the papers. and go to the police and saying like, you'll never catch me. And they never did.

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Ricky: That's fucking mental.

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Flav: That was a cool one. Yeah.

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Ricky: God, imagine like… You reckon they're still out there now?

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Flav: Yeah, or he's dead, yeah. I don't know when the Zodiac… I mean, the Zodiac killings, I think it happened in… 80s maybe?

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Ricky: that is they They might still be out there. Fucking Jesus Christ.

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Flav: Yeah. Oh, in the 60s, in 60s.

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Ricky: Okay, right now.

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Flav: ah five people but it stopped in 69 so maybe they Maybe. Whoever he is, or she is, probably banned. Died. But what was interesting is he would send codes to… to be deciphered.

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Ricky: I swear I've seen a film like that.

00:20:33.83
Flav: by Yeah, it's called the Zodiac.

00:20:37.29
Ricky: No, it wasn't the Zodiac. Well, it might have been. No, I don't think it was, but it it had… um What's his face in?

00:20:45.84
Ricky: Oh, God. Really famous. I was going to say really famous actor.

00:20:48.53
Flav: A little bit. Spud. Jake Gillingall and Robert Downey Jr. are in it.

00:20:51.83
Ricky: No.

00:20:52.68
Flav: Oh.

00:20:52.74
Ricky: Um… what's his name oh jesus christ this is terrible Black guy. Everyone loves him.

00:21:02.42
Flav: What, seven?

00:21:02.60
Ricky: prop

00:21:03.21
Flav: Denzel. Oh, not Denzel.

00:21:04.01
Ricky: Denzel, yeah, yeah, denel Denzel, Denzel.

00:21:06.17
Flav: I was thinking of another black guy that everyone loves. I'm sure that's not racist.

00:21:09.57
Ricky: No.

00:21:10.84
Flav: Uh…

00:21:10.87
Ricky: No, Denzel was in it and he was like he's a cripple in it.

00:21:14.03
Flav: You can't say cripple, mate.

00:21:14.91
Ricky: How can I not?

00:21:15.90
Flav: What do you think?

00:21:16.90
Ricky: I don't know, but he, well, he's bedridden.

00:21:18.52
Flav: He would… Yeah.

00:21:20.72
Ricky: Right.

00:21:22.11
Flav: Okay. Uh… Um… Yeah, i don't remember I don't know what film that is.

00:21:29.16
Ricky: Right, okay.

00:21:30.60
Flav: No.

00:21:31.15
Ricky: That's a shame.

00:21:32.23
Flav: Yeah.

00:21:32.31
Ricky: But that that's a quality film. And the guy who was doing all the killings and that, he was sending… um letters and codes and stuff like that to where his next murder was going to be And then they would get there slightly too late and they would see it all unfold as.

00:21:42.48
Flav: Yeah.

00:21:46.62
Flav: Yeah.

00:21:47.51
Ricky: as it's happening but then they did actually catch him Um, Howard Chipman was convicted of murdering 15 patients, ah but the official shipment inquiry concluded he'd killed at least 215.

00:22:02.76
Flav: The bone collector. Sorry.

00:22:04.28
Ricky: Oh, that's it.

00:22:05.09
Flav: That was it, yeah and

00:22:05.04
Ricky: That's it. That's a quality film.

00:22:07.39
Flav: and He's paralyzed after an accident and he he has to solve gruesome serial killing case from his bed.

00:22:14.10
Ricky: Yeah.

00:22:14.29
Flav: Sorry, got to go.

00:22:15.46
Ricky: Have you seen that?

00:22:16.46
Flav: Yeah, I have seen it now and now.

00:22:17.28
Ricky: Yeah.

00:22:17.72
Flav: That makes it better.

00:22:19.11
Ricky: And Peter Sutcliffe. Was convicted of murdering 13. women. and attempted to murder seven more. is America's media industry their hollywood kind of glorification.

00:22:34.51
Ricky: On Netflix, the the the prime reason why. There's awe.

00:22:40.36
Ricky: more known to ours. like what You wouldn't get an American that knows about…

00:22:42.25
Flav: I think…

00:22:45.21
Ricky: Fred West, would you?

00:22:46.54
Flav: Not unless they're really interested in this sort of stuff. No, I doubt.

00:22:49.40
Ricky: Yeah.

00:22:49.78
Flav: No, but it's probably not common. Knowledge Fred West or Dennis Nilsson. No. Bye. Ed Gein and… and ah you know, bra um Jeffrey Dahmer.

00:23:01.57
Flav: and Who else? Who's the one who dressed up as a clown?

00:23:06.01
Ricky: ah That was…

00:23:07.50
Flav: John Gracie. think

00:23:08.54
Ricky: Yeah, yeah get yeah, John Wayne Gacy.

00:23:10.96
Flav: Jaycee.

00:23:10.59
Ricky: But… But I don't think, like… um we'll get We'll get into him. He didn't actually dress up as a clown. I did a bit of research and he was just a child entertainer.

00:23:19.71
Flav: All right.

00:23:19.97
Ricky: that's why that's why they called him the clown yeah

00:23:20.86
Flav: That's why everyone said the clown. Um,

00:23:23.18
Ricky: disappointed by that actually if i'm honest

00:23:24.48
Flav: Yeah, a little bit. It's a little bit more creepy, isn't it? I think… um i think Rick, that… In the same way that politicians… in the UK are not. looked at like politicians in the US.

00:23:36.98
Flav: everything is more sort of… has this Hollywood tinge to it. like When there's a presidential campaign, it's almost like two superstars going after each other, even if they… You know.

00:23:48.99
Flav: Don't look the part. Ours are really sort of sensible. and Gray and…

00:23:53.78
Ricky: Hmm.

00:23:54.26
Flav: say the right things or try to say the right things and it's all very formal and kind of Just… you know, whereas America has lots of fireworks and explosions to go along with the year presidential race.

00:24:05.84
Ricky: Yeah.

00:24:06.39
Flav: Um, And it seems about as much about charisma as it does about policy. Um, So… I think the thing that applies to the way they covered and serialized and…

00:24:18.51
Flav: and and made media about. serial killers is they just did it in a much more grand an ostentatious way, then we would do it. Like if you look at the BBC, the way they make their programs.

00:24:31.51
Flav: It's very different to the way the programs are made in… in America.

00:24:34.61
Ricky: Yeah.

00:24:35.55
Flav: There's just a lot less sort of grandiose. It's less dramatic. It's much more sort of… I think as a British public, we're we're more interested in get us the information as quickly as possible.

00:24:48.74
Flav: Whereas, I don't know, in America. this this I'm not saying this is the case for all American content, but just the stuff that typically makes it out here.

00:24:53.63
Ricky: Yeah.

00:24:55.89
Flav: there's an There's a drama, an additional drama made in the edit.

00:24:58.90
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah.

00:25:01.22
Flav: which Which makes it sound more, perhaps more… Peace. It's about engaging, isn't it? It's some of these programs that Valerie watches. uh and they'll talk about a murder but they'll rehash the same information 10 times in one in an hour

00:25:15.41
Ricky: Yeah.

00:25:15.71
Flav: You're like… They'll say something. Then 10 minutes later, they'll sort of do a recap of the last 10 minutes. And you're like. I've just watched that. I don't need a recap. but And then… And it gets a minute 20 and then there's like a recap of.

00:25:27.66
Flav: That again. it's like so Just in case I'd forgotten what I'd said.

00:25:28.43
Ricky: Yeah.

00:25:30.28
Flav: And I was like… I don't know what it is. It sort of drills it in a bit more. Um,

00:25:36.14
Ricky: I always… um think about you know like uh when you just said that But when when there's a massive, something's happened. There's always a… Like a TV crew.

00:25:47.04
Ricky: outside the courthouse. Um… And there's like always.

00:25:51.13
Flav: I wonder if that's it as well, because you're not in in the UK, you're not allowed TV and in the courtyard.

00:25:54.61
Ricky: No.

00:25:55.19
Flav: you can't the the only media that you're allowed in there you can't take photos you can't do anything in the court you can just have a An artist. and sketches.

00:26:02.64
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah

00:26:04.70
Flav: But I don't know if it's true because i I'm sure there's lots of Americans listening to this. Can educate. Um. it in In my mind, I'm thinking like the OJ Simpson case.

00:26:14.81
Ricky: Yeah.

00:26:15.24
Flav: where it was almost… on every day on the telly and people were following it as it was happening. Whereas that would never… Is that true? Is that what happened?

00:26:23.23
Ricky: Well, yeah, I mean, like I know, like, you know, when when people have committed heinous crimes and like they're out of the prison van and they're all like shackled up and stuff and they're walking into the court and you get to see all of that stuff.

00:26:26.09
Flav: So I remember it.

00:26:35.98
Flav: but but But before the verdict.

00:26:36.08
Ricky: but

00:26:38.62
Flav: Like, in in the UK… often you won't even know the person's name.

00:26:42.96
Ricky: Yeah.

00:26:43.20
Flav: So say a terrible murders happened

00:26:44.70
Ricky: Yeah, yeah.

00:26:45.42
Flav: I don't think it'd be the case if it was like OJ Simpson. So say James Corden had killed. and murdered someone you might know a bit more about when it

00:26:50.72
Ricky: Yeah. it Yeah.

00:26:52.89
Flav: when it's happened. win the cases but But generally, you're not like you don't know the information. it's it's it's It's censored until… or we've held until a verdict's made and then information comes out.

00:27:07.25
Flav: But there was a young lad. Did you see that stabbing video of the young lad?

00:27:08.20
Ricky: Yeah. Oh, mate, it's fucking grim. an

00:27:12.57
Flav: Four in.

00:27:13.52
Ricky: Yeah, and the thing is…

00:27:14.38
Flav: So tell what what what happened, Rich?

00:27:14.54
Ricky: is

00:27:15.97
Flav: Because people probably wouldn't.

00:27:17.67
Ricky: right so um that i believe this is the backstory so a 14 year old i think he's 14 Was he 14 or 16?

00:27:26.72
Flav: 4-1.

00:27:26.53
Ricky: Can't remember.

00:27:27.03
Flav: He's 4-1. And she was brought in.

00:27:28.13
Ricky: Um, He was in a relationship with a girl. He was infatuated with the girl. The girl decided to break it off. He became violent towards her, saying different things and ah threatening behavior. And then you see CCTV footage of this girl.

00:27:46.84
Ricky: going into a shop. and him following her. And he walks up to her and then starts stabbing her. And.

00:27:54.60
Flav: ah violently, like in the chest and stuff.

00:27:56.41
Ricky: Yeah. It's a' horrendous, man.

00:27:59.15
Flav: She didn't die.

00:28:00.71
Ricky: Thank God, the shopkeeper. he He got involved.

00:28:02.62
Flav: Hit it. He got stabbed.

00:28:04.78
Ricky: He got a jerk, yeah.

00:28:06.13
Flav: But he ran away. i don't and I can't say what I would do. in In that moment where you've just been stabbed.

00:28:13.11
Ricky: Yeah.

00:28:14.03
Flav: Bye. I think if I was confronted with a 14 year old boy who had a knife

00:28:17.86
Ricky: Yeah.

00:28:17.97
Flav: and he was stating you'd watched him stab a girl.

00:28:20.39
Ricky: Yeah.

00:28:21.47
Flav: ah I think in my sane, in my calm state that I'm in now. I don't think I'd run away and leave the girl to it.

00:28:30.18
Ricky: you You'd get involved with Joe.

00:28:32.68
Flav: Yeah, ah that's what I'd like to think I would do, yeah.

00:28:34.77
Ricky: Yeah.

00:28:35.32
Flav: He stabbed a 14 year old girl. You're a grown man. And he ran outside the shop and left him. both alone in in the shop i don't think I'd like to think I wouldn't have done that, yeah i don't but you don't know until you're confronted.

00:28:48.51
Ricky: No, I often think… that I would be. That guy that would get involved.

00:28:54.60
Flav: You could overpower a 14 year old boy.

00:28:57.70
Ricky: Look, you sure? I'm five foot seven.

00:28:59.46
Flav: Any man. any You could, yeah.

00:29:02.56
Ricky: Yeah.

00:29:03.38
Flav: Yeah. Any man. Any man could at that age. They're not developed enough to withstand it, but I don't know. It's easy to say, I guess. For my brother Alex, he would have he I think he would enjoy that situation.

00:29:16.01
Flav: They wouldn't find it scary at all.

00:29:15.81
Ricky: Yeah, he would.

00:29:17.31
Flav: I remember being in… I think you would almost look for it somehow to be a hero sometimes.

00:29:21.94
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:23.89
Flav: Bless him. Like I… Like. I think, so there was one, this is true true story, right? He works in, you'll know exactly what I'm going to say when I say it.

00:29:32.24
Ricky: I know, I know, exactly.

00:29:32.95
Flav: You already know.

00:29:33.36
Ricky: Yeah, yeah.

00:29:34.40
Flav: uh a blockbuster he worked in a blockbuster so back when block so this would have been jeez he would have been about 20 years ago now probably And he works in the blockbuster in Crouch End where we lived.

00:29:46.42
Flav: And the guy came in and tried to rob the store. And Alex. took a step back. picked up the fire extinguisher and then and just smashed the geezer in the face of the fire extinguisher and chased him out the shop.

00:29:59.98
Ricky: charged after him with it.

00:30:00.84
Flav: It's actually funny. Yeah. So there's some people that are built for it. And some people like fight or flight and they fight. Other people, obviously. You know, they they they run.

00:30:11.42
Flav: I don't think in that instance you're not making sensible decisions, are you? You're just… You make the decision you make. Your subconscious almost makes it for you.

00:30:19.46
Ricky: Yeah.

00:30:20.07
Flav: So in a way, you can't be too critical of the shop owner. But… your subconscious makes the decision for you in that moment i guess

00:30:27.35
Ricky: At least throw stuff at the kid.

00:30:30.71
Flav: Something.

00:30:30.80
Ricky: Like blood glass bottles, wine or anything like that. And by the way, if anyone's thinking, you know, the story Flav has just told about his brother, there was CCTV video of it happening and you actually see it unfold.

00:30:38.77
Flav: Yeah, yeah.

00:30:40.77
Ricky: it It's fucking mental.

00:30:43.00
Flav: I wish we still had it.

00:30:43.66
Ricky: ah

00:30:44.27
Flav: yeah know They took the CCTV and Alex said, can I have it?

00:30:46.68
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah. Oh mate. Yeah. that The thing is about that case as well. Sorry to go ah off off track, but the kid has been given like a three year suspended sentence or something like that.

00:31:04.32
Flav: Is that it?

00:31:05.33
Ricky: Something like that. Have a look while I'm talking. because he has gone in there like premeditated gone there has a knife on him stabbed her up And…

00:31:17.38
Ricky: It's like he… It's not even going to prison or anything.

00:31:22.44
Flav: Uh… No, yeah, it's the 12th, so… ah So they weren't going out. He just… He just um refused her. She refused her advance advances.

00:31:34.12
Flav: hey Sorry, she refused his advance advances.

00:31:34.66
Ricky: Aye.

00:31:38.27
Flav: So the parents of the girls who would kill… The parents of the girls were killed by their ex-boyfriends have described the sentencing of a teenager who stabbed the girl multiple times because she did not want to date him as appalling and disappointing. The 14-year-old boy stabbed the girl, also 14, with a six-inch kitchen knife in Cirenchester in Gloucester, which is not far from us.

00:31:56.34
Flav: Received a three-year restraining order. He should be in prison. He should be in Young Offenders.

00:32:01.40
Ricky: Yeah.

00:32:02.11
Flav: 100%. You can't fucking do that. If you watch the video, it's… Yeah. Terrible.

00:32:08.65
Ricky: the The place where it is that you said near you. What's it called?

00:32:12.49
Flav: Sirencester.

00:32:14.26
Ricky: I see that name all the time. I've been frightened my entire life to… Try and pronounce it.

00:32:19.77
Flav: Why?

00:32:20.28
Ricky: Because I don't know what, it's just siren.

00:32:22.39
Flav: It's near us, so you know. It is a bit of a weird spelling, to be honest.

00:32:23.87
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah, it's is a mad one.

00:32:26.37
Flav: Yeah.

00:32:28.24
Ricky: um Yeah, to get back on track. Uh… Where am I at? Do you think, like… Because in America, they've given their serial killers Names.

00:32:39.60
Ricky: The Night Stalker. The Killer Clown. The Green River Killer. The school card killer.

00:32:46.02
Flav: Hmm.

00:32:46.70
Ricky: do you think it kind of that's almost why it adds to it and gives them their kind of notoriety

00:32:48.44
Flav: Yeah, that adds to the drama.

00:32:53.87
Flav: Definitely. That's why they would have… been written about in the press as well doesn't it creates an illusion that they're more than human

00:32:59.39
Ricky: Yeah.

00:33:00.27
Flav: That they're… but or less than human, if you like, whatever, but not like us. So it's given them a name. It dehumanizes them. There's this sort of mysterious figure that skulks around killing women.

00:33:12.42
Flav: whatever it may be. Whereas…

00:33:18.52
Flav: The… The killings. we You didn't hear about the deaths of these… This is what it is, Rick. is that the the The events were serialized in real time by the press.

00:33:32.14
Ricky: Yeah.

00:33:32.99
Flav: As people were going missing, they were linking them together and then they create this bogeyman.

00:33:37.56
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:39.58
Flav: Whereas… No one knew that Dennis Nilsson was killing everybody until they found the bodies and then they piece it together afterwards. No one knew Fred West was killing young girls. until afters until they found the bodies.

00:33:49.95
Ricky: Yeah.

00:33:50.86
Flav: So… If they… So if the press would have… Like we don't hear of serial killers in the UK. Because there's no news stories about serial killers before they're caught.

00:34:01.61
Ricky: Yeah.

00:34:02.32
Flav: Do you know what I mean? Whereas… In these cases… It's serialized. Killer strikes again.

00:34:07.18
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

00:34:08.21
Flav: What did you call it? The Green River Killer.

00:34:10.49
Ricky: Yeah.

00:34:10.98
Flav: Guys, again. Whereas in we that… we don't We didn't know Dennis Nilsson even existed until they found the body parts and then investigated him. And we probably wouldn't even… have found out anything about him until He was found guilty.

00:34:23.84
Flav: which was then when the information was released.

00:34:27.23
Ricky: I mean, did that did they ever ever have any? Did Dennis Nilsen have a nickname or anything?

00:34:32.17
Flav: But why would why would he have a nickname?

00:34:33.98
Ricky: Yeah I suppose.

00:34:34.48
Flav: If there isn't… No one knew that he was killing people.

00:34:36.89
Ricky: Yeah.

00:34:37.89
Flav: It's almost like the investigations are piecing these things together and feeding the press in real time, whereas that kind of investigation doesn't happen in England. That's what I think it is. That's why it's much more.

00:34:47.80
Ricky: Right, yeah, that makes sense, actually.

00:34:50.07
Flav: It's much more i' know exciting. We did have a kit cat killer in in Enfield who was killing cats.

00:34:55.80
Ricky: Oh my god.

00:34:56.55
Flav: But then if it was real It was just something that people would talk about.

00:35:01.32
Ricky: That is… that's… That's horrible. Right, let's get into… Let's get into some of these. Head cases. Ted Bundy.

00:35:13.60
Ricky: 30 Murders But they reckon it's as high as ah as ah they reckon it could be as as high as 100. All. Young women.

00:35:24.13
Ricky: And he would lull them into a false sense of security by acting injured. and harmless.

00:35:31.05
Flav: Really?

00:35:31.30
Ricky: He was described as handsome and charming. And. in In his kind of… um you know, in his history, ah he escaped custody twice.

00:35:44.77
Ricky: He jumped out of a second story window. In one of them. And then in the other, he used a saw. to cut the ceiling bars. He'd lost loads of weight prior.

00:35:55.60
Ricky: Cut the ceiling bars. Got out of it

00:35:57.94
Flav: Who is this one, Ted Bundy?

00:35:59.15
Ricky: Ted Bundy got out of his cell. Found civilian clothing. put them on and then walked out the front door.

00:36:08.09
Flav: Wasn't he kind of like… Like, weren't women sort of fancying him and that?

00:36:13.62
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah. that's Like it I said, he was um handsome handsome and charming. And he'd always prey on young girls.

00:36:22.78
Flav: But but when when was his… Court case serialized. Was it… was it covered in the press i seem to think there's this image of him he looks a bit like a film star

00:36:33.12
Ricky: Yeah. Do you know what? that's That's a really good point, because when I was reading about this, Ted Bundy. he is like one of the only people or at that time he would represent himself.

00:36:47.57
Ricky: So he was studying law books and he he was representing himself. But because the press was covering him, he began this kind of media.

00:36:57.07
Flav: Right.

00:36:57.02
Ricky: Star, almost.

00:36:58.31
Flav: Okay, so that's why.

00:36:59.52
Ricky: So that's why it came about, because he was cover he was representing himself.

00:37:01.46
Flav: Right.

00:37:04.35
Ricky: So he was in the media spotlight throughout it all. um He almost became like a, almost like a Hollywood actor. type of Notoriety. of him That's why.

00:37:17.23
Ricky: And… the start Obviously, you know, the 30 murders that he was ah tried for. um and admitted. But he, again… there's like stories of him Having a shower in the morning and having to kick.

00:37:33.99
Ricky: Body parts. To the side of the bath.

00:37:37.39
Flav: and fraud.

00:37:37.64
Ricky: while he could shower. and the stench going down. Two. The neighbours downstairs. And stuff like that. Like Denno, but like Ted Bundy's like just like…

00:37:49.44
Ricky: on another level he is i think Probably the worst. person One of the worst people that I've ever… walked. The Earth.

00:37:59.26
Flav: but I'm just looking as you were talking there, right? Lee. So they… They po out wanted posters by the FBI. The FBI put out wanted posters.

00:38:10.99
Flav: um And the pictures of… of of his name. Which I know they do. It's just… Have you seen this wanted poster?

00:38:20.94
Ricky: Yeah.

00:38:22.100
Flav: Just seems to be…

00:38:23.16
Ricky: Has he got his photo on there?

00:38:24.65
Flav: Yeah.

00:38:26.56
Ricky: Nick.

00:38:26.39
Flav: It just seems a bit odd. ah just I'll send it to WhatsApp just in case. It just seems like… It's hot. Everyone would have made up their mind. How is he supposed to have like a fair trial if everyone is wanted by the FBI?

00:38:36.17
Ricky: Yeah.

00:38:36.84
Flav: It's almost like he's it's done. He's done if he gets caught, but then he tries himself. And then he'll obviously lose. He only got committed convicted for three murders, it says here.

00:38:45.25
Ricky: what

00:38:47.28
Flav: Is that right?

00:38:49.28
Ricky: That doesn't seem right.

00:38:52.33
Flav: Why isn't that right?

00:38:54.04
Ricky: I don't know. ah When I was looking, it said 30 murders. Or maybe I'll just put a zero on the end.

00:38:58.20
Flav: on that bit.

00:39:00.13
Ricky: ah

00:39:00.47
Flav: and Maybe I missed. How many did he kill? Um… thirty Sorry, I must have just read it wrong. He was convicted of three, though.

00:39:08.41
Ricky: Right, okay. Yeah. Oh really?

00:39:11.69
Flav: ah convict Free was legally convicted and sentenced to death for three murders committed in Florida in 1978. These victims were… A 12-year-old. and two students.

00:39:20.21
Ricky: No.

00:39:21.60
Flav: Yeah. And then after he's… Shortly before his execution, he confessed to 30 specific um and homicides. to law enforcement enforcement officers some sources interviews hints of up to 36 confessions Only about 20 of these confessed victims have been de defend definitively identified.

00:39:39.84
Flav: Advanced for sic forensic testing continues to link him to decades old. cold cases.

00:39:44.59
Ricky: Wow

00:39:46.96
Flav: Suspected of hundreds.

00:39:50.76
Ricky: What? I mean, like…

00:39:52.09
Flav: I'm not case how it happens in someone's brain

00:39:53.65
Ricky: Fuck.

00:39:55.19
Flav: Let's go.

00:39:55.48
Ricky: It's… It's mad.

00:39:56.51
Flav: Why is it that some people can have a moral compass but others can't they just don't they're not defined by those Rules.

00:40:03.39
Ricky: And it's like, and the people, so it's like always young women. Like what has he got got against young women?

00:40:10.53
Flav: I don't know Whether it's a sexual thing or a… He knows that he can overpower a woman.

00:40:13.05
Ricky: Yeah. The chase. That kind of stuff.

00:40:17.81
Flav: You're murdering men. like i I think. men men murdering men if you're gonna have to have a scale of these things

00:40:25.12
Ricky: Yeah.

00:40:26.07
Flav: You get more points for murdering a man than you do a girl. or a woman.

00:40:28.80
Ricky: Right. Yeah, I see. Yeah, no, no. I see where you're going.

00:40:31.05
Flav: So Adama's got to be up there because he… He murdered men.

00:40:34.09
Ricky: Well… We'll get on to Dharma now. But Bundy… out of all of these it looks like that i mean there's a couple But Bundy's the only one that went after young women.

00:40:46.64
Flav: Really?

00:40:47.31
Ricky: Pussy out.

00:40:48.90
Flav: Is it?

00:40:49.45
Ricky: Yeah.

00:40:49.18
Flav: There aren't others that just target women.

00:40:51.47
Ricky: Cheers. No.

00:40:52.57
Flav: Well, it gained it, didn't it?

00:40:54.29
Ricky: Well, Gein did, but Gein's not a serial killer. I've put him in at the end as a little as a little chat about, because i knew like yeah I knew you had a little penchant for Ed Gein.

00:40:57.90
Flav: Alright.

00:41:00.46
Flav: What do you mean he's not a serial killer? I just really liked the Monster series. I thought it was brilliant. Hello, Mother.

00:41:08.73
Ricky: Yeah, it's…

00:41:09.38
Flav: You gonna see that, Jezebel? Mother said I am not allowed to talk. Be with Jezebel. Anyway.

00:41:16.29
Ricky: The… um His stuff ah is is fucking mental.

00:41:19.32
Flav: Yeah, he wore his mom's skin.

00:41:22.17
Ricky: Yes, just…

00:41:24.37
Flav: Quickly do again.

00:41:24.68
Ricky: God. you Right, right.

00:41:24.94
Flav: Quickly do it again.

00:41:25.89
Ricky: Okay, we'll do quickly do a…

00:41:28.05
Flav: Peace and love.

00:41:28.22
Ricky: Right. ah Ed Gein was an American murderer and body snatcher. um that The word body snatcher.

00:41:33.51
Flav: Aye. So it did

00:41:35.46
Ricky: I quite like the word body snatcher.

00:41:36.25
Flav: Will he dig up graves?

00:41:39.08
Ricky: You what?

00:41:39.47
Flav: He dig up graves.

00:41:40.84
Ricky: Yeah, known as the Butcher of Plainfield and the Plainfield Ghoul, who committed his crimes around Plainfield, Wisconsin during the 1950s.

00:41:41.43
Flav: All right.

00:41:50.37
Ricky: When police searched his farmhouse in 1957, they uncovered a horrifying collection of human remains. Gein admitted to systematically exhuming corpses from local graveyards.

00:42:02.97
Ricky: Authorities found bowls made from human skulls, skin upholstered furniture, face masks, ah made of human skin. and a complete woman suit that he would wear.

00:42:15.17
Flav: Yeah.

00:42:15.76
Ricky: I mean that is…

00:42:16.27
Flav: tits and tits.

00:42:18.85
Ricky: What did she say?

00:42:19.78
Flav: With tits.

00:42:20.76
Ricky: yeah That is like… The thing is… These, uh, he…

00:42:26.35
Flav: um mean Did he not murder anyone?

00:42:28.39
Ricky: Two apparently.

00:42:29.61
Flav: Aww.

00:42:30.16
Ricky: Apparently too, he like he was…

00:42:31.16
Flav: light work.

00:42:32.18
Ricky: Yeah. And like… If these people are dead…

00:42:37.62
Flav: it's It's sick, isn't it? Like, it's sick. It's obviously sick, but…

00:42:43.70
Flav: It's not the end of the world.

00:42:45.03
Ricky: No.

00:42:45.51
Flav: Like you say, he's not… He doesn't even rank really with… Nilsson or… Fred West.

00:42:53.98
Ricky: Nye! All the more, aren't actual moors murderers? They got a name?

00:43:00.33
Flav: There's a bit. where he has this body that he has sex with.

00:43:05.67
Ricky: Yeah.

00:43:07.61
Flav: Over and over again.

00:43:08.60
Ricky: Is it on the kitchen table?

00:43:11.48
Flav: Yes.

00:43:12.04
Ricky: Yeah.

00:43:13.87
Flav: And he penetrates it.

00:43:15.17
Ricky: Yeah, did you like that?

00:43:18.98
Flav: a i didn't I can't say I liked it.

00:43:22.52
Ricky: No.

00:43:22.50
Flav: No, I thought…

00:43:22.71
Ricky: nay

00:43:24.79
Flav: It's one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen. because she starts to decompose.

00:43:27.08
Ricky: Yeah. Mmm.

00:43:30.64
Flav: I think. If I remember. So he would they dig up women and make stuff out of them. He wasn't the one that made Was there any anyone that made… lamps out of.

00:43:41.75
Ricky: Well, yeah, it says it skin upholstered furniture. and i um

00:43:44.93
Flav: Yeah, so that was him.

00:43:46.10
Ricky: And I remember that they um in some of the artifacts of photographs, there is a skin lampshade.

00:43:53.18
Flav: at gainskinsuits .com. museum. So he was, it was. um Leatherface that was based on him. Do you know Leatherface from…

00:44:02.31
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

00:44:03.39
Flav: Texas Chainsaw Massacre

00:44:04.86
Ricky: Oh shit, is it?

00:44:05.97
Flav: But… yeah

00:44:07.77
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah

00:44:09.29
Flav: Mate, that has got to be… that that In terms of films based on… Um. It's sort of semi-based on true life events, but horror movies. Have you ever seen Texas change the matter?

00:44:20.58
Ricky: I think so years ago.

00:44:21.84
Flav: It is horrible. it's it's it's you know how much of of how much I love film right and I've watched tons of films through the years.

00:44:27.92
Ricky: Yeah.

00:44:31.20
Flav: There's nothing that really made me feel as sick as that film. it's Just the way it's shot. It's shot on a kind of film type. I want to say monochrome or something like that. during the 70s that gives it a really…

00:44:40.98
Ricky: Yeah.

00:44:43.95
Flav: Tss. like sickly look. It's sort of… But that is.

00:44:48.74
Ricky: ah I actually know what you mean, you know.

00:44:50.70
Flav: Yeah, so a lot of… films in that era, certainly horror films, were shot in this way. where they they're quite quite like… It's hard to describe it, but it's a look of a certain type of film of that era.

00:45:02.80
Ricky: Yeah.

00:45:03.72
Flav: And everything's slightly… So. opaque.

00:45:07.97
Ricky: Yeah.

00:45:08.56
Flav: and And in color. So it's all sort of saturated to a certain point. And just… The door, you know, there's a door, basically, the leather face is this. He's a part of a family. or he' is the He's a murderer.

00:45:21.88
Ricky: Yeah.

00:45:22.34
Flav: But inside the house are… People in skin suits. Like, his family is still there. They're all dead. But they're in. they're in They sit in the house and he kind of walks among them. and talk to them and And he has his own.

00:45:36.59
Ricky: Yeah.

00:45:37.73
Flav: Skin mask. And these… kids, group of teenagers find this house or stumble they get lost or they run out of gas or something like that And they find the house and obviously…

00:45:49.38
Flav: It's about trying to hit them. trying to escape.

00:45:51.85
Ricky: Yeah.

00:45:52.50
Flav: Him. uh leatherface but there's one bit where there's a door. and it's a heavy cast iron door and he's slams it open and slams it shut all the time.

00:46:03.61
Flav: But inside that is where. the butchery happens. And there's hooks on the ceiling. That man is fucked. ah You watch it and you're like, what am i why am I watching? Why why was this even made?

00:46:15.18
Flav: Why am I watching it? This makes it disgusting.

00:46:17.67
Ricky: Why was this made?

00:46:19.17
Flav: Yes, who sat down? What sicko sat down and thought, this is the film I want to make?

00:46:23.35
Ricky: Um, where Who is… um Surely he's modern. and so like Buffalo Bill, Silence of the Lambs.

00:46:30.64
Flav: Yeah.

00:46:30.84
Ricky: He's got to be modelled off someone. that it ah for For me, that is the…

00:46:34.31
Flav: Amen.

00:46:36.20
Ricky: um That's up there.

00:46:38.73
Flav: but who Who was he is he? Is he based off of…

00:46:41.81
Ricky: I don't know, but I mean, he's killing people and he's so in a skin suit or females. woman's skin suit.

00:46:48.70
Flav: Oh, hold on. They reckon he was loosely bayit based on Ed Gein.

00:46:52.40
Ricky: Oh, I mean, Ed Gein, Influencer.

00:46:53.22
Flav: Yes, he's an influence. so show show me to Show me someone he hasn't influenced, Ed Gein.

00:46:58.91
Ricky: but think Yeah.

00:46:59.76
Flav: Mate, he's to me top Donnie.

00:47:01.64
Ricky: yeah he Yeah, I'll tell you what, he has he's he's gone up a few now. He has. He's got to.

00:47:07.53
Flav: Yeah, I'd make Buffalo Bill that character.

00:47:10.58
Ricky: If us.

00:47:10.66
Flav: Doo-doo!

00:47:12.43
Ricky: Did it.

00:47:13.01
Flav: Duh!

00:47:13.30
Ricky: Okay.

00:47:13.38
Flav: Good. Bye, ho!

00:47:14.50
Ricky: that's it Would you fuck me?

00:47:17.92
Flav: Bye-bye! again.

00:47:18.98
Ricky: Ah fuck me.

00:47:20.34
Flav: Would you fuck me?

00:47:21.24
Ricky: this is

00:47:21.55
Flav: I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me good.

00:47:23.09
Ricky: Oh my god.

00:47:25.27
Flav: It rubs the lotion on the skin.

00:47:26.94
Ricky: Yeah.

00:47:27.86
Flav: And it does whatever it's told. Put the fucking lotion in the bucket.

00:47:33.84
Ricky: What a fucking epic film.

00:47:35.68
Flav: I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me so hard.

00:47:38.54
Ricky: that As he's put the lipstick on, it's zinged on and it's…

00:47:41.65
Flav: Doo-doo.

00:47:43.89
Ricky: That tune, every time it comes on, it just makes me so…

00:47:46.31
Flav: Wait, it's Q Lazarus, isn't it?

00:47:47.94
Ricky: Yes.

00:47:48.56
Flav: Mate, I've got that on a playlist It's a banger.

00:47:50.49
Ricky: Yes, I… Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:52.07
Flav: Such a tune.

00:47:52.52
Ricky: 100%.

00:47:53.63
Flav: Yeah, man

00:47:55.00
Ricky: Uh, Jeffrey Dahmer, the next one. Dahmer killed 17 men and boys after one intended victim escaped in July 1991. and led police back to his Milwaukee apartment. Investigators found the remains of 11 victims there. The crimes involved murder, dismemberment, and in some cases, necrophilia and cannibalism. Now that is pretty fucking…

00:48:22.03
Flav: Like, where's the…

00:48:25.72
Flav: Like, what's what's the eating them about?

00:48:27.87
Ricky: Yeah.

00:48:28.23
Flav: Forget if you're a murderer or not. And there's a sexual element to it.

00:48:32.44
Ricky: Mm.

00:48:33.31
Flav: But eating them. That's too far.

00:48:35.28
Ricky: Peace. Yeah, it is too far. And 11, 11 remain, like… in his apartment. His apartment must have stank!

00:48:44.08
Flav: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah And it's what the one, what's so good about, not good, but like the how… tense those scenes are when he's

00:48:51.94
Ricky: Mmm.

00:48:54.19
Flav: He's got drills and… like what tools hasn't he in his house and

00:48:56.79
Ricky: Yeah.

00:48:57.97
Flav: You guys want to watch a movie? to watch some video tapes. Oh. It's all about just the… The actor was superb in that.

00:49:06.14
Ricky: Doesn't he drug them as well?

00:49:07.60
Flav: Yeah, I think he does

00:49:07.99
Ricky: Like drugs them and then yeah.

00:49:10.23
Flav: I mean, if I'm going to be murdered, i don't i'll be what I'd like to be drugged.

00:49:13.59
Ricky: Yeah, sure

00:49:14.04
Flav: It's done them done em a service, really.

00:49:15.72
Ricky: Yeah. I mean being drugged and then being alive while your head is being drilled.

00:49:21.85
Flav: All right, maybe not.

00:49:21.93
Ricky: Amen.

00:49:22.82
Flav: but look when When you have waking… Sedation. In the hospital.

00:49:27.26
Ricky: Yeah.

00:49:27.78
Flav: but I had a wisdom tooth taken out. It must be. 18 months ago now. And obviously if they can avoid it, they don't put you under general anaesthetic because there's more risks involved and the recovery takes longer and you have to potentially spend the night in the hospital.

00:49:41.89
Flav: Whereas this is like a…

00:49:41.96
Ricky: Yeah.

00:49:42.65
Flav: a day surgery place. So… It did the waking sedation. And i I was waiting as the woman, I was talking to the nurse and… and the nurse said to me, I was like, what does waking sedation feel like? Because I'd never had it before. And she's like, oh, you just feel like drunk.

00:50:01.46
Flav: And I was like. that drunk That's not enough. like I know what drunk feels like.

00:50:05.17
Ricky: Mmm.

00:50:06.26
Flav: I'm regularly drunk, right? That is ah doesn't mean I could have a bit a couple of beers and then have my fucking wisdom tooth out. What do you mean? drunk It's got to be more than that. And I was like, she could like i ah perhaps she's never had it. I don't know.

00:50:20.58
Flav: Anyway, I'm walking in, and I'm now terrified. Because…

00:50:23.19
Ricky: Yeah, you would be, of course.

00:50:24.15
Flav: I hadn't. you know to the point at the start of the podcast when you're talking about your missus She said the wrong thing to me or hadn't said the right thing to me. And now I'm like full of anxiety going to sit in this chair.

00:50:33.72
Ricky: Yeah.

00:50:34.14
Flav: The reality is it's nothing like being drunk. It's nothing like anything I could even describe other than the fact that you are awake. But you absolutely. Do not give a shit about anything.

00:50:44.54
Flav: I promise you. Like if someone said to you, have have a tooth out, waking sedation.

00:50:45.55
Ricky: Oh wow.

00:50:48.94
Flav: there is nothing i don't know if anyone's listening to this and they might have something coming up There is zero. zero to worry about you are out of it but not asleep. is… It's mental. like They could potentially do anything to your body.

00:51:03.55
Flav: And you wouldn't, you just wouldn't know. You're just gone. But you're not. You're slightly there. but you know and and i could feel them tugging at my Peace.

00:51:13.42
Ricky: Yeah.

00:51:13.79
Flav: I could feel what they were doing. But you are… Oblivious. Like you might as well be knocked out and then about And then they just sat, plonked me in this chair in the corner of the…

00:51:24.86
Flav: room and i slowly came around and i was like all right fuck it so i can feel it now what happened but

00:51:31.00
Ricky: I think maybe I had that when I had the… um

00:51:34.31
Flav: Uh yeah. Yeah.

00:51:35.59
Ricky: Endoscopy? Is it endoscopy?

00:51:36.33
Flav: Yeah.

00:51:36.98
Ricky: The one down my throat?

00:51:38.66
Flav: not that Probably up the arse as well.

00:51:41.01
Ricky: yeah ah Yeah, I think, yeah.

00:51:42.29
Flav: no but I know that was a good one That's a good one, that one, Rick.

00:51:44.11
Ricky: Yeah.

00:51:46.29
Flav: That's my favorite Because you chose not to have the sedation, didn't you?

00:51:49.42
Ricky: no yeah but if anyone's ever listened to this and people say should i have a sedation i want to be able to go to work after i need to do you know pick the kids up Always pick.

00:51:59.47
Ricky: sedation There's a reason why they offer it to you, okay?

00:52:01.75
Flav: Yeah, Ricky had an endoscopy.

00:52:04.23
Ricky: yeah Yeah.

00:52:04.06
Flav: Is it?

00:52:04.83
Ricky: get a colonoscopy

00:52:06.25
Flav: Colonoscopy, that's right.

00:52:06.96
Ricky: Yeah, yeah

00:52:07.95
Flav: And he chose he chose not to have a sedation. because you wanted to be with it.

00:52:11.30
Ricky: Hmm.

00:52:13.88
Flav: He gets wheeled into this room. And everyone's out.

00:52:18.06
Ricky: ah

00:52:20.64
Flav: And then you had to go in there. You're fully compos mentis.

00:52:24.63
Ricky: ah Yeah.

00:52:25.61
Flav: And you'll call it off in the fetal position.

00:52:27.68
Ricky: Yeah.

00:52:28.30
Flav: And then they shove it up your ass.

00:52:30.02
Ricky: Yeah, knees to the chest, old boy. Okay.

00:52:32.89
Flav: What was the noise she was making?

00:52:35.05
Ricky: Ugh. Uh… Uh… It was just that over and over again for like.

00:52:42.90
Flav: ah

00:52:44.04
Ricky: 25 minutes.

00:52:45.37
Flav: Ah!

00:52:46.25
Ricky: And then I looked up and asked the nurse and I said, does does everyone but like is everyone react like this? And she said, i sorry, Ricky, but… everyone's normally knocked out for it and i was like oh fucking hell i've made a mistake it ah

00:52:57.30
Flav: ah Aaaaaah!

00:53:00.80
Ricky: Ah.

00:53:01.47
Flav: but Wasn't there another one, Rick? where He was on an airplane and someone had… Sort of. a problem with their eye.

00:53:07.34
Ricky: Yeah, I was flying to LA with my college at the time. We were going to visit… um Universal Studios and Hollywood and all of that. life And I think he got, um ah like, he must have got a cold or something like that on.

00:53:21.81
Ricky: on flying on the way back. And because he had a cold, and when the plane was landing, the pressure was pushing his eye. And he was just grabbing his eye, screaming. Fucking mad.

00:53:32.03
Flav: What was that?

00:53:31.77
Ricky: My eye! My eye! Just shouting, just holding one of his eyes. ah

00:53:38.92
Flav: ah

00:53:39.32
Ricky: ah ah And I was like, what the fuck's going on with Michael? Shit, man.

00:53:46.25
Flav: Why?

00:53:47.12
Ricky: Yes.

00:53:47.24
Flav: Why?

00:53:49.75
Flav: Whenever you tell that story, do you know who I immediately think you are?

00:53:52.59
Ricky: Hey.

00:53:53.50
Flav: Charlie. Uh… What was he saying?

00:53:58.57
Ricky: What marks?

00:53:59.03
Flav: Charlie Marks, Charlie Marks, Charlie Marks

00:53:59.72
Ricky: Yeah.

00:54:01.08
Flav: Because we were on the plane going to Prague to watch Spurs play. I think it was. I mean, you told that story when we was on the plane. we' in tears.

00:54:07.29
Ricky: yes

00:54:08.14
Flav: Ah!

00:54:07.84
Ricky: ah Right. um I'll quickly go through the rest of these killers.

00:54:12.90
Flav: oh

00:54:15.59
Ricky: ah I mean, like yes, let's see. Dharma, 17 men. and boys John Wayne Gacy. The Killer Clown. Gacy was convicted of murdering 33…

00:54:27.63
Ricky: Young men.

00:54:27.58
Flav: Wow

00:54:28.90
Ricky: and boys aged 14 to 21. Most of his victims were concealed on his property, including beneath his house. um And then…

00:54:39.92
Ricky: As I said before, he wasn't he didn't actually dress as a clown to kill them. Which is, you know…

00:54:45.44
Flav: What did he do as a child entertainer then?

00:54:47.58
Ricky: ah His name was Pogo the Clown.

00:54:49.75
Flav: So he did dress up as a clown.

00:54:51.06
Ricky: Yeah, as an entertainer, not as a murderer.

00:54:53.51
Flav: All right, that's so it didn't wear he wasn't in clown costume when he was murdering.

00:54:57.10
Ricky: No. nay

00:54:57.66
Flav: Ah, right. That's a shame.

00:54:59.01
Ricky: I thought it'd be like an it. style that's where they got it from. and But now it's just in civvy clothes, just… Stabbing people up.

00:55:06.92
Flav: Do you know Ed Gein, just to take it back? Just…

00:55:10.13
Ricky: Yeah.

00:55:12.23
Flav: know He ended up. living a long life till 77. And he wasn't put in there. He wasn't put in… um He wasn't murdered. Sorry, he wasn't… given the death penalty.

00:55:22.16
Ricky: Yeah.

00:55:22.82
Flav: He was put in a mental institute. And.

00:55:25.76
Ricky: Yes.

00:55:26.36
Flav: He would. He would… um He would… he would Women would send him his underwear, their underwear to him.

00:55:34.12
Ricky: Wow, really?

00:55:35.30
Flav: Yeah. What?

00:55:37.77
Ricky: I meant no.

00:55:38.57
Flav: What is it about these murderers on death row and then they're… strike up relationships with women.

00:55:43.53
Ricky: Yeah.

00:55:44.18
Flav: You heard that before.

00:55:45.02
Ricky: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.

00:55:48.34
Flav: Sorry.

00:55:48.46
Ricky: yeah that is what That is weird.

00:55:49.22
Flav: to bring it back to you.

00:55:49.73
Ricky: um It's like, ah have you seen it? I mean, this is a this is probably a completely different… topic but I'm just going to mention it now because we've said it.

00:56:00.89
Ricky: But with um Ed Gein and schizophrenia and, you know, ah mental illness, whatever you might say, this is why he was doing that. there There's a massive ah case in America at the moment. I don't know if you've seen it.

00:56:14.65
Ricky: where um a woman has murdered her three children. um And it's a brutal murder as well.

00:56:22.42
Flav: Hmm.

00:56:22.56
Ricky: a Strangulation. And I believe it's for, you know, those. um Elastic exercise. things.

00:56:32.58
Flav: Hmm.

00:56:32.38
Ricky: I forgot my coat what you will you call them now. But um but yeah, she… um strangled all three of their children but Tch. There's a massive divide in America because…

00:56:43.56
Ricky: She has been in and out of a mental institute and… um her whole life psychiatric units and all that long came home and ah her husband at the time well her husband kind of knew that she was just a bit of a screw loose and would say mental things and that and then she killed her three children And it's like, does she go into a normal prison? Does she suffer the death penalty? Does she, you know, have a usual case treated or.

00:57:11.34
Ricky: Should she be put in a psychiatric unit? and should the husband be to blame because he didn't flag anything and i've been watching quite a lot of it and like it feels like the country is split on what should happen But like Ed Gein, he was like.

00:57:28.44
Ricky: mentally unstable.

00:57:30.26
Flav: Yeah. i think if they So she killed three of her kids?

00:57:33.26
Ricky: Yeah.

00:57:35.68
Flav: And she's never killed or been violent to anybody else.

00:57:37.92
Ricky: No. nay

00:57:39.19
Flav: So there is there is like… I don't know much about it I'm just based on this limited information I've heard in the past but it's called matricide isn't it Something like that.

00:57:48.31
Ricky: Oh I don't know.

00:57:49.22
Flav: Yeah, so there's a specific… thing it's called where a mother kills their her children. And. I seem to remember it was in, it was some sort of ancient grief.

00:58:01.17
Flav: It comes from an ancient Greece. It was a… There was a there was it was a story. About. the woman who kills her children. I studied it in school. I can't remember exactly what it is.

00:58:13.12
Flav: but um Yeah, it's called Matricide. And I think generally when it happens, it's… You go to a mental… hospital rather than being convicted as a… as a murderer because it seemed to be

00:58:24.33
Ricky: Right.

00:58:26.27
Flav: But listen. This. this What's the name of it? It's called Post. natal Depression.

00:58:32.59
Ricky: depression Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:32.95
Flav: and things like that what can happen and which is a mental disorder I think while… There will be clamorings for her to have a To be seen as a you know as a killer and be sent to prison I think it shows the progression of a society when… we can look at it and and understand it. and rather than just simply vilifier for something that was clearly This isn't.

00:58:59.41
Flav: It's not the same as… me murdering you, Ricky.

00:59:00.84
Ricky: Right.

00:59:01.81
Flav: I think actually it shows a progression in society rather than anything else.

00:59:05.60
Ricky: That's quite interesting actually

00:59:07.80
Flav: Not everyone would agree with that. I think it's quite a controversial, potentially of controversial opinion.

00:59:11.53
Ricky: Nah nah nah nah, sure. Um,

00:59:14.01
Flav: listen The thing is, like I'm watching Sopranos at the moment.

00:59:16.46
Ricky: Oh god, you lucky cunt.

00:59:18.06
Flav: I've said it before, but he's… Tony Soprano is a serial killer.

00:59:22.15
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah

00:59:22.22
Flav: but would you would you would you Have him in this list?

00:59:26.46
Ricky: No. Protect him at all costs.

00:59:29.80
Flav: but Because he… he in i mean i'm um'm only i don't want to spoil it for people but it has been out like over 20 years If he… Like, in the first free seasons two seasons, he's killed three people.

00:59:40.94
Flav: In two years.

00:59:41.03
Ricky: Yeah.

00:59:42.62
Flav: I'm sure he goes on to do a lot more. so I just got to the episode where he's got… He's got a ah Seafood. he's been he' He's got food poisoning.

00:59:54.46
Ricky: ah Yeah, yeah.

00:59:55.70
Flav: And he has all those mad dreams.

00:59:57.07
Ricky: Yeah, uh, yeah, yeah.

00:59:57.87
Flav: The whole episode is him just having mental dreams.

01:00:01.28
Ricky: he ah Is it because it's the seafood or the Indian food as well?

01:00:04.42
Flav: yeah he's blaming Artie but But…

01:00:06.56
Ricky: Yeah.

01:00:07.14
Flav: isn't He's not sure who's… Suck it.

01:00:10.11
Ricky: ah ah

01:00:11.95
Flav: For something so violent and heinous it's such a funny program.

01:00:15.25
Ricky: i so It's the best. It is the best TV series that's ever been made.

01:00:16.73
Flav: Okay.

01:00:19.100
Ricky: I won't hear anything over there. um Just to round this up, there's a gentleman called Randy Kraft, the school card killer. Kraft was convicted of murdering 16 men. When he was arrested in 1983, investigators found a coded list containing 61 entries, which prosecutors argued contained references to victims.

01:00:41.20
Flav: What was his name again?

01:00:41.47
Ricky: Hints. the school card killer Randy Kraft.

01:00:45.24
Flav: I've never heard of him.

01:00:46.42
Ricky: Now Randy Croft Um. I believe. Some of his murders or ah some of um the victims. Were. dumped at a place called Echo Park.

01:01:00.95
Ricky: In LA. And when I went to LA. I stayed at a place near Echo Park, and every time I went past that, I used to… I'd be in my hotel room.

01:01:12.56
Ricky: Thinking. God. I could be next on the list. Even though this happened in fucking… early 1980s. still left a you know, an impression on me.

01:01:25.70
Flav: Yeah.

01:01:25.78
Ricky: Fucking…

01:01:26.85
Flav: is it It's the library.

01:01:27.00
Ricky: You know, they… they Is he?

01:01:30.14
Flav: Yeah, mate, resilient. 81.

01:01:32.14
Ricky: Fucking hell, Craft Day. You crafty bastard.

01:01:35.39
Flav: yeah Yeah. Why wouldn't he give him the death penalty then?

01:01:38.49
Ricky: No, I was literally about to say 13 murders. hello sir No, sorry, 16 young men.

01:01:41.66
Flav: and't Enough. and Enough.

01:01:45.79
Flav: Do you know what he got done for? He got first-degree murder, 16 counts. Do you know what else they did him for?

01:01:50.93
Ricky: What?

01:01:51.83
Flav: Sodomy.

01:01:52.66
Ricky: I w- I was going to say that, but I was going to say buggery.

01:01:55.37
Flav: Buckery, yeah.

01:01:55.95
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

01:01:56.05
Flav: Buckery. So they've got, they've got, he's called 60 Men also, so by the way. He put… He he put his…

01:02:02.55
Ricky: Yeah.

01:02:03.06
Flav: He put his cock up their asses.

01:02:04.81
Ricky: Yeah.

01:02:05.14
Flav: So. Do for that as well.

01:02:06.89
Ricky: Yeah, put bumming down.

01:02:08.22
Flav: Bye-bye.

01:02:08.96
Ricky: Put bumming down time 16

01:02:09.23
Flav: Write down. Buggery. as well just make sure everyone knows buggery not the murders

01:02:14.07
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah. Unbelievable. And the last two, Richard Ramirez. He was called the Night Stalker. Ramirez was convicted in connection with 13 murders during a series of violent and attacks in California in 1984-85. His crimes…

01:02:31.87
Ricky: often occurred during the night ah During night home invasions, creating widespread fear across Southern California. That, I mean, that one is like, that was.

01:02:44.41
Ricky: Anyone could get it, and it's… at night time and it's home invasions.

01:02:47.09
Flav: What? what He would kill anyone, men, men women.

01:02:50.64
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah.

01:02:50.82
Flav: Cheers.

01:02:51.64
Ricky: And he would break into their homes while they're in bed, shoot them, stab them, stomp them to death. Like…

01:02:58.37
Flav: Oh, my Lord.

01:02:59.22
Ricky: Yeah, I mean… I don't like…

01:03:01.86
Flav: He's quite handsome as well. I don't know if you've seen pictures of him.

01:03:03.92
Ricky: No, I haven't. Is he Reem?

01:03:06.50
Flav: well I'm just saying he's not. Yeah, he's like it's quite handsome.

01:03:09.92
Ricky: Right.

01:03:11.57
Flav: Yeah, I would say like you could it could be a model for sure.

01:03:12.59
Ricky: Okay.

01:03:15.51
Ricky: Right, well, I mean, Ted Bundy handsome. Richard Romero's handsome. Maybe there's a…

01:03:20.85
Flav: oh my lord it's terrifying this is This is the one. I'm going to have nightmares with it.

01:03:25.44
Ricky: Oh, my Lord.

01:03:25.51
Flav: this Oh, my Lord.

01:03:27.53
Ricky: Yeah.

01:03:27.61
Flav: Because this is the one, and I think, the one that freaked out. I remember talking to my ex-girlfriend about this one. And it's the man who weve just tried back doors to see if they're open.

01:03:32.44
Ricky: Yeah. Yes.

01:03:34.87
Flav: Is that the one?

01:03:35.00
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:37.27
Flav: Yeah, mate.

01:03:38.16
Ricky: I mean like…

01:03:39.47
Flav: I set the i'll sent you a picture of him. What do you think?

01:03:42.09
Ricky: Right, okay.

01:03:43.61
Flav: What would you give them out of 10?

01:03:44.07
Ricky: Is he dead?

01:03:45.43
Flav: Yeah he's dead.

01:03:46.27
Ricky: Okay.

01:03:48.31
Flav: And he's snarling there, but you can see he's a good looking

01:03:48.52
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, he yeah, yeah, he is. Yeah, you can see he's… he's ah He's a handsome lad. Good.

01:03:54.31
Flav: Because you expect them to be ugly, right? and You think, well, if you look like that, you had all those…

01:03:55.97
Ricky: Yeah. You expect them to be kind of like… um Boudin. Fat. Short stubby men, almost.

01:04:06.92
Flav: Mate, have you ever watched…

01:04:07.64
Ricky: Loners.

01:04:08.27
Flav: Mindhunter.

01:04:10.13
Ricky: Now I've heard of it though

01:04:11.63
Flav: you it's It's based across all these all these sort of murders. I think even even he's in it. Now. now

01:04:17.20
Ricky: Right.

01:04:18.06
Flav: I think you would like it. if you're interested you Are you interested in this or are we just will be just talking about it?

01:04:20.63
Ricky: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. no no no i like it

01:04:23.26
Flav: <unk> It's three seasons. I think they're making another one. And it's really good. Like, it you sit down, but they have all of the big boys in there. They've got Charles Manson. that You haven't mentioned him.

01:04:33.27
Ricky: Yeah, he wasn't a serial killer though was he?

01:04:35.78
Flav: He convinced. loads and loads of people to commit suicide. So then I don't know, does that count?

01:04:39.83
Ricky: I don't know. That's interesting, actually.

01:04:41.92
Flav: Hang on. Wasn't it?

01:04:42.95
Ricky: He never appeared in any the in the any of the ah research that did, no.

01:04:42.76
Flav: It's Charles.

01:04:49.16
Flav: Charles. Yeah. Hang on, am I figuring…

01:04:51.46
Ricky: Maybe because he convinced them.

01:04:53.21
Flav: I think he convinced them that there was some sort of spaceship and that if they they drank the Kool-Aid, they all drank the Kool-Aid.

01:04:59.53
Ricky: Yeah.

01:05:01.16
Flav: they They died, didn't they?

01:05:03.27
Ricky: Yeah, does is that…

01:05:04.98
Flav: he's He's in Mindhunters. They speak to him. and the

01:05:07.45
Ricky: Right.

01:05:09.28
Flav: Jonestown Massacre. That's what that was

01:05:12.47
Ricky: Isn't there a band called that?

01:05:14.46
Flav: Brian, Brian Jonestown Mascot.

01:05:16.08
Ricky: Oh.

01:05:17.14
Flav: this is a joke The Jonestown Massacre was something different. they the name.

01:05:19.70
Ricky: Right.

01:05:21.06
Flav: Yeah, so Drink the Cool Ladies, the ninth episode. I don't know. No, Jim Jones. I'm thinking about someone completely different. So what did Charles Manson do quickly?

01:05:29.53
Ricky: Right.

01:05:30.75
Flav: how's go

01:05:33.35
Ricky: chuck Yeah. um

01:05:35.78
Flav: Crimes.

01:05:36.48
Ricky: charles matt Yeah, I thought that was that.

01:05:37.31
Flav: it's serious Yeah, look, orchestrated a series of high-profile murders in California in ah in August 1969.

01:05:38.93
Ricky: Yeah.

01:05:43.74
Flav: through his cult. Followers known as the Manson family.

01:05:46.39
Ricky: Yeah.

01:05:46.62
Flav: Although he did not commit the physical acts himself, Manson was convicted of first-degree murder in 1971 for directing the killings.

01:05:53.74
Ricky: Well, see, he washed his hands of murder there.

01:05:55.99
Flav: He didn't do it. So… so

01:05:57.04
Ricky: Didn't do anything. like just

01:05:58.99
Flav: There's an amazing scene. Right, in Mindhunters. Where? You're like. You're watching it and you like it. that could be, car like um you're watching the actor play Charles Manson.

01:06:10.23
Ricky: Mmm.

01:06:11.16
Flav: And I think if you – I think they – there's a bit where they cut to the that you're watching the program and at the end they cut to the actual interview that they did and it's like it's insane how well they've managed to recreate it but what the what mind catches is mind hunters is about is how they the fbi began to profile serial killers and understand what they are and how their brains work

01:06:18.92
Ricky: Yeah.

01:06:31.53
Ricky: Oh, shit.

01:06:31.85
Flav: And they go they go to interview. all of the serial killers that we've mentioned in this list in prison.

01:06:36.61
Ricky: Yeah.

01:06:38.03
Flav: and talk to them and you realize. If it's accurate to the point of reality. You realise what kind of individuals there are. like There's a great big fat black geezer as well that committed loads of crimes.

01:06:48.53
Flav: Yep. it might been It might have been. The geezer we mentioned earlier. Um, Casey.

01:06:54.59
Ricky: Yeah. it I find it fascinating because there's so many documentaries about, I even saw a Louis Theroux one.

01:06:55.77
Flav: He's a big boy winning.

01:07:00.99
Ricky: where he went to go and visit visit someone and he'd done all these heinous crimes and Um, But the mum was there. And she was saying that um it depends what kind of. what mood he's going to be in and stuff like that. And whether he wants to talk and ah no, was it? No, I think it's Piers Morgan, actually not Louis through anyway.

01:07:21.57
Ricky: And he was just talking to this. to this killer But like. How they… hold themselves. It's like they know.

01:07:33.46
Ricky: how to act in society. to get through these different parts of conversations and interactions and all that. But then when the mask slips, it's like, then they turn into this, into the devil of what they're doing.

01:07:46.15
Flav: Yeah.

01:07:46.94
Ricky: It's fucking so strange. Like, it's split personality.

01:07:48.83
Flav: And they're home often sometimes. Fighting against it as well.

01:07:51.92
Ricky: Yeah.

01:07:52.16
Flav: ah Fighting against what they their desires are. um that that There was a guy, this child man, David Berkovitz. He was on the same killers

01:08:03.20
Ricky: Right, yeah, I've heard of the name.

01:08:04.88
Flav: They're white as well. What?

01:08:06.77
Ricky: Wow

01:08:07.02
Flav: or Irish, or… or um Apart from William Henry Hance. who was a troubled soldier convicted of multiple um murders.

01:08:16.08
Ricky: Jeez. jeez

01:08:17.30
Flav: Watch it. It's good

01:08:18.16
Ricky: Yeah I will do.

01:08:19.18
Flav: Hmm.

01:08:18.87
Ricky: Right. I'm going to…

01:08:22.81
Ricky: Go to the next bit. which is… Dilemmas. Something only you know. Topic for next week. We had an email. Lads, you often mention ah food. and takeaways but you're almost always categorically wrong.

01:08:39.61
Ricky: Thai cuisines reign supreme pad thai green and red curries, the lot. Do an episode on the best cuisines. I want to know your pound for pound champion.

01:08:49.20
Flav: Yeah, alright.

01:08:49.47
Ricky: Fuck. Fine, we'll do that next week.

01:08:51.46
Flav: Okay.

01:08:51.62
Ricky: ah We want to hear yours as well. And especially from… uh america because your fast food is you know far superior to us i'd like to know what you can actually get and the different types of cuisines you have there lads are non pod at gmail .com.

01:09:08.33
Ricky: Send it in. We are going to go to the first, which is di ah Dilemma, and it's called…

01:09:13.25
Flav: lay them Play the don't listen.

01:09:15.97
Ricky: Fuck I forgot to do that didn't I?

01:09:17.74
Flav: Right now.

01:09:18.36
Ricky: Should I do it now? Alright Right, don't listen.

01:09:19.19
Flav: Right now.

01:09:32.13
Flav: Okay. That's good.

01:09:32.96
Ricky: well ah Yeah, I mean…

01:09:33.31
Flav: Let's keep laughing. Start laughing.

01:09:35.22
Ricky: Yeah. That was… I mean, we can you that's a welcome. relief from what we've just spoken about. Um, that ah like listen listen to that that's almost definitely

01:09:43.80
Flav: Carry on. Jared.

01:09:47.56
Ricky: Um, a parent blowing raspberries on their child's stomach.

01:09:51.35
Flav: Did you used to do that?

01:09:51.24
Ricky: You only get those belly laughs from that. It's insane.

01:09:55.34
Flav: Uh.

01:09:54.90
Ricky: That was very cute. uh The dilemma is called Stand By Me, My Apprentice. And you're going to hear that. Now if I find the…

01:10:13.78
Flav: testing.

01:10:35.27
Ricky: Stand by me, my apprentice is a voice note. I have slightly sped it up because of the length and to, you know, hide the person's voice.

01:12:16.09
Flav: That is a great… Question.

01:12:19.23
Ricky: Mmm.

01:12:19.93
Flav: ah Firstly… You will know him because your son… is young You know, you've gone through that 16-year-old. Faiz. You also… you've got to remember there aren't like apprenticeships are so hard to come by

01:12:33.62
Ricky: Yeah.

01:12:34.14
Flav: For these kids. And having a 16 year old of my own. well it steps on but you know he' He's got into… study mechanics at ah college.

01:12:45.44
Flav: And. there just isn't enough apprenticeships available for him to you know he could have potentially gone um He doesn't have to do an apprenticeship, but a work placement would be ideal or like because he's he's got three days in college and then two days in.

01:13:00.32
Flav: in, um, In what's it? In… the

01:13:05.07
Ricky: A garage?

01:13:05.16
Flav: Uh… In a garage, that would be an ideal. thing for him to do, but it just isn't enough people willing to do it.

01:13:07.44
Ricky: Yeah.

01:13:10.71
Flav: I would say, and I understand you don't want to yag. ah If it works out, it could be one of the most rewarding things you do, watching and teaching this kid how to… Get on with. Whatever it was. it Did he say he was a plumber or something?

01:13:22.79
Ricky: Uh, I think he's an electrician, I think maybe.

01:13:23.85
Flav: Didn't say. Yeah. i would I would say do it, but obviously then you're taking on responsibilities like him getting to you on time and having to kind of discipline him and all that stuff. It is ag.

01:13:36.00
Flav: especially you've got five kids you said a small family five kids ain't a small family mate it's a big family

01:13:39.19
Ricky: No.

01:13:41.77
Flav: But my if it was me, I would i would do it.

01:13:44.16
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah, exactly what you said. And ah as well, you get see there's loads of banter videos on… you know instagram reels and ticked up of people messing around with their apprentice

01:13:55.72
Flav: Hmm.

01:13:55.45
Ricky: It's fun.

01:13:56.77
Flav: Yeah.

01:13:56.95
Ricky: Do that as well. But yeah.

01:13:57.97
Flav: Not messing around like… touching and stuff like that.

01:14:01.04
Ricky: No, no, no.

01:14:02.73
Flav: This is sort of what I meant.

01:14:03.17
Ricky: No.

01:14:04.95
Flav: What videos you be watching?

01:14:05.89
Ricky: no you know go go to the hardware store and get a glass hammer

01:14:09.52
Flav: Yeah, and or…

01:14:09.67
Ricky: go go Go and get tartan paint for me.

01:14:10.24
Flav: ah Yeah.

01:14:12.43
Ricky: Yeah, all that stuff. That's fun.

01:14:13.53
Flav: But… Yeah, um um and look, my dad my dad had a part of his job when he worked for… He worked for Quinns, which is a company, he worked for Benham. He worked for Dalkia and he worked for… wins and these this is all massive companies. building construction and maintenance and servicing.

01:14:29.38
Flav: Um, And part of his job was to take on and work with young. you know, apprentices, not always necessarily 16. And he had to do it. And he he made like good relations lasting relationships and lasting impressions on some of them.

01:14:41.80
Flav: Weirdly. One of them was ah that he worked with Marcus, his name was. You might even be listening to this. because he listens to The Fighting Cock. And.

01:14:49.50
Ricky: Oh.

01:14:50.12
Flav: but He always used to say, but he goes, i he… He would message and say, i'll give send my love to your dad. And I'd tell my dad and he went, oh, we've got a lot of time for Marcus. so Yeah. But I'm sure there'll be a tons of shit apprentices as well. but you you know I think you're doing a good thing on top of the fact that you're earning.

01:15:07.11
Flav: a little bit as well so

01:15:09.64
Ricky: Yeah.

01:15:09.74
Flav: Up to you then, mate. Let us know how you get on.

01:15:11.34
Ricky: yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I say go with The Apprentice as well. And if he's a gooner, let him go straight away.

01:15:16.02
Flav: Stand by me, my apprentice. Doom. dun dun dun dun dun

01:15:20.39
Ricky: i was hoping you'd get that i was hoping you would ah okay we are now going to go into

01:15:22.06
Flav: Yeah.

01:15:34.45
Ricky: this is i I'll do a trigger warning. for this one because it is a bit fucking tasty. It's called… Catastrophe. Okay, so I've wanted to send this into something only you know for a minute.

01:15:49.24
Ricky: Typed it out a few times but got scared. I grew up in a very rural part of… The South. US. on a large piece of property Trios.

01:16:00.70
Ricky: gun range Basically, you name it, we had it. My whole family. including my grandparents lived somewhere on this piece of land and still do to this day around age 11.

01:16:14.21
Ricky: We started to notice a lot of feral cats around the property. And I do mean a fuck ton of cats. My grandmother hated cats and she was allergic.

01:16:24.78
Ricky: So I reckon there was good reason. but she really hated the fact that they killed the wildlife throughout the property One day, my grandfather… gathered Up me.

01:16:36.18
Ricky: my brothers and the dogs and had us grab our 22s. and shotguns so we could go on an all-day cat hunt. We probably took out around 20 cats.

01:16:48.10
Ricky: Buried them near the creek. It was God awful experience. and I have literally had a girl break up with me for confessing this information to her. Horrible stuff. and I'm still unable to hunt to this day.

01:17:01.47
Ricky: And that. is something only I know.

01:17:04.58
Flav: Yeah.

01:17:05.40
Ricky: Yeah, that is… a i thought you know with this episode it's kind of uh fitting for that one it's quite weird as well how you mentioned that there was a cat killer and that that this is

01:17:15.77
Flav: Yeah.

01:17:16.04
Ricky: It's something only you know.

01:17:17.63
Flav: No, it was…

01:17:17.70
Ricky: coincidence, you know?

01:17:18.54
Flav: it was like it went around like the cat killer it was peckham i think it was a peckham cat killer

01:17:24.59
Ricky: I think I remember it.

01:17:24.64
Flav: but it's

01:17:27.93
Flav: Um. but I know this because… i think was it a peckham calculator The Croydon Cat Killer.

01:17:33.70
Ricky: juser Right.

01:17:35.66
Flav: Animals lured with raw chicken, vet says. Why kill cats?

01:17:40.80
Ricky: attention and

01:17:41.11
Flav: ah It reminds me of my mate. um I can't remember his name now, but we used to get out get on it quite a lot. back in the day. It doesn't matter his name anyway. I used to work with him.

01:17:51.99
Flav: And we'd end up. Going out, picking up. a you know few beers, picking up and going back to his flat and just staying on it all night and then getting up and going to work. Terrible. um But he told me he had a Maine Coon.

01:18:04.77
Ricky: Oh yeah?

01:18:04.91
Flav: Cheer up. Do you know what Maine Cooncat is?

01:18:06.69
Ricky: Yes.

01:18:07.29
Flav: They're like… They look like a normal cat, but they're massive, like three times the size of a normal cat. they're like having It's like having a little lion or a mountain cat in your in your house.

01:18:11.58
Ricky: Yeah.

01:18:15.52
Ricky: Yeah.

01:18:16.76
Flav: Uh, And it was big. and But it wouldn't go outside because it was scared because… He got raped by the other cats.

01:18:23.05
Ricky: Oh no. Is that the story? ah Oh, dearie me.

01:18:31.58
Flav: That's what he said anyway.

01:18:33.01
Ricky: do do Do you remember as well, there was this wasn't that long ago, but there was some woman on CCTV, would she'd find cats. And she'd pick them up and put them in the bin.

01:18:40.94
Flav: Put them in a bin. But a wait a bit.

01:18:43.79
Ricky: Fucking red.

01:18:44.06
Flav: Yeah. Why?

01:18:45.87
Ricky: Like…

01:18:46.87
Flav: She'd pick the cats up, walk them along and just chuck them in the wheelie bin.

01:18:47.70
Ricky: Yeah. You chuck him in the wheelie bin. He's fucking out of water, love. What are you doing?

01:18:52.48
Flav: i Leave him alone.

01:18:54.04
Ricky: Caught loads of times doing it. Leave him alone. Right, that's the end of Lads Anonymous this week. The topic for next week… is different cuisines and Flav are going to list them the pound for pound and we're going to chat about them. If you've got anything you want to send in.

01:19:08.70
Ricky: lads are non pod at gmail .com. And subscribe to the newsletter, ladsanonpod .com slash newsletter. And until then, we will see you next week.

01:19:21.17
Flav: See ya. yep