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Yeah, well, I mean like, oh, I had it this week. I had no way. Maybe last. Maybe last week. Yeah. Really? Thing is right. When I speak to my missus and I, I'll wake up in the morning and we're getting ready or getting ready. I'll go down and make teas and coffees. No, she's like, you're I.

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And I won't even mention anything to her. She's like, I said, are you okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you okay? Like what was going on? And I'm like, you have a bad you. Yeah. Bad sleep. I'm like, no, no, no, I had a dream. You cheated on me. She's like, we. You know, it's a dream, right? I like yeah, yeah.

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But like, yeah I don't know, man. I don't know when you're teaching people how to drive and you pull over at a layby. Is that what you do? Is that. Is that dude? Is that what your dream was? Yeah. Well, I have had dreams like that. I've had loads of dreams, and I'm just, I'm just, you know, I'm so angry.

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I know it's not happen, but, like, you just, I don't know, the rage. It sweeps up through my torso and I'm like, fuck, you know? So I had one. This is not the first time I've dreamt that he's cheated on me before. Oh, God. But this one was, like, the most recent one was last week, and I was like.

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I asked her as a is it true? And she went, yeah, I remember just being crushed in the dream, my head dropping because it's it's done. Then everything's broken. Everything's I'm done. And it went on in dreams, you know, you're awake, half awake. You know, you're like, no, this is a dream. I'm going to wake up. I wasn't that, I was this was my reality.

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And I walked away. I just I just walked away and left. My thing is in my mind, right? Because I, you know, my, I'm very traditional, my values and stuff like that. And if my missus cheated on me, I would not find it within myself to be like, let's compartmentalize that. Put it to one side. Were going for a bad patch.

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Let's carry on. I would be like, trust is broken. The love that he's broke doesn't make me move on. That maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then if it actually happened. Right. And I've woken up from the dream I made me way. Come. Think we can get through this? Nothing's even happened. And I'm like we can get for it.

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But the thing on my mind, the thing is Rickie.

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Is it scary? Isn't it? Because you. You think how you think how you would react on my, my peeling feeling is I would I would have to I couldn't I just couldn't be in the same place. I couldn't lie in the same bed, I could oh God, oh God. I felt sick then. Yeah. And, and so but lots of people do recover from it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just don't know how I would be broken, I would be. So I don't even like talking about it. I'd be all I, I would be crushed I don't I yeah. No. Yeah. Let's talk about something more pleasant than this. Right. Okay. I went with a dentist this week. That was good. You scared that,

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Yeah. Well, I mean, I wasn't, and then I had a really bad experience where I had. I had a tooth extraction. And the guy, he just couldn't get my teeth out, and he was like, he was on the chair and his knee was on here, and he, like, I could feel him just swinging, right? He was just, like, left over.

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And it was like I could feel it. Oh, no, my faith is your kid and I'm not me. I ain't coming like you're doing something wrong. What did you do? Was it just an anesthetic? And they pulled it out? Yeah, yeah. I've got two injections in the roof of my mouth, and he was just like. I think he just fucking swinging on this thing.

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And I was like, man. And then in the end, it just. I looked at one of those, it was like a tampon put in my mouth. Blood wouldn't stop coming out of my mouth. I felt fucking violated. It was a horrible experience I missed. I don't like saying this out loud. But I'm going to say I missed the Dortmund at home game at Wembley.

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You know that free one? Yeah, it's on the tongue. And I missed that because I just sat there with a tampon in my mouth, dribbling, looking at LA. I got a ticket and everything, but I was so traumatized. I can't I can't do this. This. Just get me. I'm, Well, I have the complete opposite experience that I had a lady.

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Yeah. She's, She's only in there one day a week, four days a week. She works at the Ministry of Defense in Larkhill. She's a dentist for the Army. Right. That makes it so. That makes sense. Yeah. What did you think she was? A sister was a soldier. So, Portuguese comes into play today. Boy, he's she's a soldier.

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Four days a week, and then it's one day. Now she's a dentist for the army. And then, anyway, she looked at her teeth. She said I had an X-ray about a year ago. They said we need to fill that. It's. There's a lot of decay there. We need to fill it. It's quite close to the nerve ending, and I have no recollection of this discussion or this appointment at all.

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I didn't remember that. And then when I sat down, she was it a year ago. She was literally a year in April 20th, 24, 24, 25. You would have been around the house stuff, so your mind would have just been not fucked. Yeah. No. Yeah. No not no. Because we would have only just exchanged at that point. So I wasn't sort of stressed out by that.

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I just don't remember it. Right. I vaguely remember it when she started talking about it. I kind of remember it, but I definitely wouldn't have lasted a year. I would have got it sorted like I'm not. I don't like the dentist, but I'm not afraid of the dentist. I've never I've never had an appointment and it goes horribly wrong or been in much pain apart from the 3 or 4 days off that my wisdom tooth out.

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And that was terrible. Mate, I was going to say like fucking. I remember you messaged me saying, you have to steal a tablet from your mum or something like that because you, you know, you're in so much pain. Is that. No, no, that was that was something else. Something else that, that that was I was thinking my mum's, diazepam, which is like, shit.

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It's just because they it just feels lovely when you take it like. And I don't mean to do. I don't want to hype it up, but, Yeah, it's prescription anyway. Anyway, so I just stole that. I didn't, there was no reason for it. I just think I had a good night sleep. I think, this was no wisdom teeth.

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I had to go to the doctor because they'd only given me aspirin and I proofing, and I, I said, this isn't touching the sides. And he knows it. I mean, I know he has some codeine. He have 50 tablets of codeine. Oh, okay. You are the best. Yeah, yeah. They did touch the sides. They were great.

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Anyway, so that was a bad experience. But that's having your wisdom tooth out is a giant teeth with, like, three, four sort of molars. It goes deep into your jaw, right? Yeah. Yeah. But generally, despite our losing a couple of teeth and having two root canals, that didn't work. I had my experience with the dentist has been pretty good.

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Yeah. Anyway, we they literally. And she said, I told you a year ago that this is done. And I was like, I can't remember that at all. And anyway she goes, well, look, it's got worse. Look at this shadow. And there's a shadow that was right near the nerve. So that's just basically your hollowed out teeth. It has, I didn't even know.

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And the reason why I knew that something needed to be done was because the filling that was in there before, which was about 15 years old, cracked and fell, so at a jagged bit of tooth. And I was like, in my head, I was like, I just need to get that filled and repainted and will be better.

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And she's like, now we need to we you should have a root canal right now, right? Oh no. I'm like, I don't mind the dentist, but I'm not having a root canal thrown at me willy nilly. And, you cut. Yeah, yeah. Time. Yeah yeah yeah. Got process. Got a build up to it. Yeah. And I was like, just take it out.

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And I booked you guys. I guess if I, if it's a root canal, just take it out. It don't work. And she was like I'm not you're not you're 44 years old, right. You're not losing another tooth. You're too young to be having a tooth pulled out just like this. This is what we're going to do is we're going to rebuild the teeth, which is what they've done.

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And she said what? They will rebuild it. Like she she had to put a band around my tooth so it didn't crack when they were working on it. So they put a band like this little sort of metal band. Yeah, yeah, over the tooth. Yeah. Right. To hold it together. And then they she drilled out most of the tooth and then just filled it with composite fill it.

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Now it looks like the most healthy tooth you can't eat. I can't tell you, but they can't. You can't even. It looks like the best tooth in my mouth. It's like pearly white. It's beautiful. Oh, yeah. Anyway. And she said, look, you could walk out of here today and you'll be back in six hours in agony. Or you could get to 99 years old and never have a problem.

00:09:48:16 – 00:10:08:23
She goes, there's just no way of telling. But what you have under this is bacteria that exists in the tooth, and that bacteria can form, create an abscess, and then they needs the root canal, I don't know. So. So do you know why bacteria in the tooth is such a problem? Bacteria anywhere else in the body is not a problem in the tooth.

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It is because your body can't fight it. There's no, What is it? Blood flow to that part inside the tooth. Right? Right. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, I think that's what it was. And so you can't. So the bacteria exists and even gets worse or it stays the same. So I'm now got like the lottery of this tooth.

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If one day it's just going to kill me or one day it might not be, it might be one. But she said to me, but what we can do now is now the tooth is rebuilt, since this will create a small hole through the tooth, a mother root canal that way. And so you've got the security of the tooth, will pull the nerve endings out so that you won't get infections anymore.

00:10:51:09 – 00:11:18:08
You know, what they do is they go into the canal with the tooth, which is like a hollow bit where the nerve endings are. Yeah. Put in a tiny little serrated, piece of metal, and they just direct the doves out of the tooth. Oh, God, that doesn't sound so terrible. It doesn't. It sounds fucking portable. Anyway, so they're going to drill into the teeth, and then they can never lose my tooth, because there's been massive developments in root canal treatment in the last ten years.

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And they'd like 95% success right now. So I will do it like root canal. Back in the day, it used to be like it was, harrowing experience, wasn't it? It was long. I've, I've, I've had two suggestions of you should get root canal and I was like, what? The other options. They're like, we can it £250.

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And I was like get, get, get gone now okay. Get out. Almost like yeah. Well the I mean it's expensive. It's like between 800 and £1200. Oh my god. But I've already lost two teeth and Yeah I can't keep losing teeth. I'm like.

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As the woman said, I'm only 44, so I probably will, but I'm hoping it'll give me a couple of years, grace, because I can't afford it right now. So if it happens now, I'm in trouble. I'll have to set up some sort of payment plan. But if if I can get ahead of myself a little bit in future, I've got.

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I will do it. Will you, with this affect you now? Were you like, diet wise, will you be like, no sweets, sugar free? This brush my teeth? No, it isn't mouthwash washing all that long. No, no, I've got good dental hygiene typically. Like month is. No. Like they tell you, if you're not brushing properly, they always tell me to floss, but I just can't.

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I don't like flossing. No one wants flossing that I like. It's a shit bathroom. And they'll go to a hygienist every six months, so they're not. I'm not. But tapering could make. They're a bit bent up, so. And I'm not going to change what I do. No, no, not at all. That wasn't because I've been eating sweets is because I didn't do anything about it.

00:13:02:01 – 00:13:21:19
And the tooth I'm missing here is because I used to think the doctor was a lot. Dentist lying to me because they wanted to do work I didn't need. But they weren't. They weren't like a mechanic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they. But they weren't line I it turns out they were telling the truth. Yeah. Because they said okay, they said I've got the K between the two teeth.

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This is when I would have been in our early 20s as the K between the two teeth. A bit of food has been stuck there and it's, it's turned to decaying the teeth. Right. I said no, let's get to it. This is the bit they shouldn't have told me, but they told me you have to drill for your healthy tooth to get to the decay and clean it out, and then they'll fill it back up.

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I'm like, there ain't no cuz. There's no, there's no I. You just want my money. I'm doing it. Yeah. Ten years to fill out, put in for as we pulled out at the root canal. So they're working I know they tell the truth. Pastor, I don't play jingle. Good.

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Any second. No.

00:14:07:08 – 00:14:33:05
Them night hazy like Band of brothers playing tunes. High is quiet. Midnight waves surfing through till daylight breaks rhythm. Here's different ways. Love of music I we prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band is I we like to speak and yeah times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Promise.

00:14:33:07 – 00:14:45:15
Imagine we go, imagine we go. And on a walk come back, open the door. And Mark is absolutely raving spooky.

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Spooky is draped over the arms of the same boat in hand, flicking through the channels nonchalantly as Mark is knocking seven shades of show me so.

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No one knows if it's real or if we trip.

00:15:02:02 – 00:15:22:08
I think that might be the funniest, funniest 50 words. The funniest thing I've ever read. The first time I read that, I was in tears. I was in tears. Where do you come up with this shit? Dating? I don't know. I always remember at school people would say, like, I would say like weird stuff like that.

00:15:22:08 – 00:15:56:23
We're not weird. It's just. It was like I didn't have a filter. And at school, people would say, that was weird. And I never took kindly to it. But also, I understood that the things I was saying or doing wasn't really like, you know, societal norms. Well, funny. But yes, I mean, my I've said it before on this pod that my soul, like I learned very early at school and about myself, my sole purpose in life is to have fun and make people laugh.

00:15:57:00 – 00:16:23:23
And just paint in a picture like that of, who is it that's getting ready with spooky? Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, just so. Yeah, that would be a mental, mental image just now. You just hearing cheeks being clapped and we just carried on talking. I was like, nothing's happening. Too much love monster using the tomato sauce.

00:16:23:23 – 00:17:00:16
So can I just bang, bang nonchalantly just changing channels? What's going on with any idea what we're, to remember today? That. Right. Okay. It is midlife reinvention, not midlife crisis. Midlife reinvention. Right. And, so it can be about career relationship or just, you know, the mundane of life. You're on the treadmill. Now, what I'm going to do is do something a little bit different here.

00:17:00:18 – 00:17:23:10
I'm going to pop myself over to, patron's Corner. Yeah. And, read out some of the comments on patron. Now, when I put this out and I was like, okay, I think someone emailed in and said about that. They were having some difficulties of, midlife, the transition of being a 40 year old. And is this it, that kind of thing.

00:17:23:10 – 00:17:57:16
And I was like, okay, that would make a interesting topic. We've made it out here. So I put it out and like, I always think, oh, I'm surprised when people reply or share. But when I put this out, I got quite a few, comments and DM's and stuff like that of people feeling the exact same way of maybe, they're in safe careers, that life is passing them by, or they're in relationships and they're not particularly happy.

00:17:57:18 – 00:18:29:03
But they're not particularly like getting out. It's just. Yeah, it's it's just we're two people living in a house with our children. Nothing. It's horrendous. I'm not being beaten up. That nothing is great either there's no intimacy or there's no whatever. But this is the first comment, right? Yeah. It's interesting that the next pod is about midlife reinvention, because that's part of the reason why I'm learning something new.

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I to, just put something new. Because if I put what they were learning, the discord lock would pick up on it, right? Okay. So they come up with a kung fu dossier. No, no, people. Like this country still exists, I think. I think I know what kung fu is really like. Back in the day, kung fu was anything right?

00:18:50:12 – 00:19:08:03
I don't know, it was everything. It was all encompassing. It was cry, it was taekwondo. It was all of those things. I don't know why Hung Fu is a particular brand of. I just, I don't know, I don't know, Nai, We should. I want to figure that out after. Yeah. What is kung fu? What is kung fu?

00:19:08:05 – 00:19:33:18
Next month I'll have been at my mid to high paying, but mind blowingly normal and boring job for ten years since I was 21. And I know 31 isn't midlife yet, but I can't help but feel like I've missed out on exploring things I can actually be passionate about for work. I've never really known what I wanted to do and just kind of fell into this office job on that.

00:19:33:20 – 00:20:03:12
I don't think I'll ever quit my job and do anything else. There's too much security where I'm at, and I also often think, am I even allowed to do this? Am I even small enough anymore? I've not got a college college age brain capable of recalling vast amounts of information anymore, but I do want to try. Which I thought was interesting, I mean.

00:20:03:14 – 00:20:29:20
For like midlife, like I get people are I mean, there were so many people where they are maybe not trapped is the right word, but they're in that kind of, routine of where do I go from here? And I just thought is interesting to chat about that. Yeah. Yeah, I think we've been in both similar situations. Yeah.

00:20:29:20 – 00:20:55:01
I think in terms of us, I was like my mind was I was kind of confronted with mine and I had to take a leap of faith, and I kind of had some safeguarding in place. But my leap of faith started, it was less a leap of faith, actually. I did a job and ran the fighting cock for eight years.

00:20:55:02 – 00:21:25:05
Seven, seven years. So it was in place, and I also had a number of, enough information about business, specifically advertising and the value of audience through my four years working at Bull Street, because that's essentially what they were. Okay. It was a, you know, they were talking about building a fan community and owning fan channels and, you know, fans having a place at the table.

00:21:25:05 – 00:21:48:09
That was a stick. It was like, it's time for fans to get a piece of the pie kind of thing. But all it was is aggregating an audience of many different YouTube channels or podcasts, as many as they could, and then packaging the aggregate audience and taking it to brands and saying, do you want to reach, you want to reach males 18 to 44, whatever it is, it's okay.

00:21:48:11 – 00:22:11:02
It was just dressed up in a different way. And so through that process, I learned a lot. And and I took that learning. When I went, I would probably wait in a bit longer than I did, but I was like, I, I have to go to London, I have to. Yeah. I have to be with this woman.

00:22:11:04 – 00:22:40:18
I have to, yeah. Yeah. So I resigned and I had a safety net in. I had some knowledge, and I had a plan. I had a product, and I suddenly had freedom to put time into it. Yeah. Whereas when you're doing a 9 to 5, it's so odd. So, you know, you, because your priorities and your energy is used up on doing a service for somebody else.

00:22:40:20 – 00:22:59:22
Yeah. And then on top of that, you have to you have to then try and build your own thing. But that is what you have to commit to doing. Otherwise, it won't work. Anyway, when I, when I jumped, I had a couple of things in terms of financial safety net says I had. I've told this story to you many times, but I don't know if I've told it on this.

00:22:59:24 – 00:23:31:23
I had a sponsorship deal with a company called Fans Bet. We once, we did an interview with Paul Robinson. Remember? We did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was a live show. Yeah, yeah. That's right. Fans bet were good people work for them, but shit company. Yeah. And they, they had, we had like a rolling contract with them for about £1,500 a month and it cost were would pay in ad revenue then were paying about £600 a month.

00:23:32:00 – 00:23:51:05
So while that didn't cover my wages from when I was working at Bull Street, it was something and I was living out in London, splitting the rent now with my my now wife, we could just make it work. And if I had to, I'd go work in a bar, or I can get a part time job somewhere.

00:23:51:07 – 00:24:02:17
Do I need to top it up? Yeah. In the first week. Sorry, the first month or so, fans of it stopped paying invoices.

00:24:02:19 – 00:24:38:13
Helpful. They just. And went silent. Oh, good. I had a total of six grand. I'm still owed by them, which I'll never get. So they've stop handing invoices. So now I'm down to £600 from, from a cost across, then put into practice what they had to do. Right, but didn't help me at the time. So the way he advertised it, advertising on podcasting work then was you if say you Ricky, you start listening to the fighting cock when you wake up, right?

00:24:38:13 – 00:25:03:12
And then you've got about 20 minutes going on and then you go to travel. So you leave your Wi-Fi environment at home, and then you're now traveling. You're using 5G, right? Yeah. And then you get to work and you still got 20 minutes of podcast left. So yeah, you turn it off and then at lunchtime you listen to the remaining part of the podcast and the old system that would count as free listens because it's free separate.

00:25:03:12 – 00:25:25:09
What? Internet environment? Which should I get? Yeah. Yeah. Right. To, to, advertisers. No. Good. It's the same person they hate in free times. They're having to play three times, hit the same pair of ears. That's no good. So it was very little faith in the podcast audience. Then by some quarters, there was faith from companies like Squarespace who saw the value in podcasting early.

00:25:25:11 – 00:25:53:23
But typically, it was hard to get mainstream advertisers involved because there was no there was no foolproof way of guaranteeing the listenership of podcast owners. Not like radio like. Yeah. So they changed that. And so our audience dropped and so, so so the revenue. Yeah. So, I was basically, but.

00:25:54:00 – 00:26:21:16
However, like I mentioned, I had time and I had I knew the I could put 100% of my time into what I was trying to build, and that's worth more than the £1,500. That would have got £5,000 in practical terms is crucial because we've got to pay the bills. The amount of time I could put into the fighting cock and now, you know, the lab and stuff like that, and the other people also involved in you just you can't do that when you have a full time job.

00:26:21:16 – 00:26:42:05
So you got to get to a point where you can. But the other thing that helped, really, Rick, was lockdown and Covid, right? Because it taught me that people don't care if you're in the room, they don't care like I thought they did. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We supplied ourselves on the final copy in a in person podcast person.

00:26:42:05 – 00:27:03:11
Yeah. We would never do it any other way. Like quite snobby. Yeah. Yeah. People either they changed their habits because of lockdown or they never cared at all. And if I didn't have to be in London record, I can record here and I can record three times a week as opposed to once. And I can do multiple podcasts all over the internet, and that's when things change.

00:27:03:13 – 00:27:31:15
I would never have been able to do that if I hadn't made the leap, and I don't. You don't know what's around the corner. You don't know the opportunities that you can manifest by working on, on on something you don't know. And you can only truly take advantage of these things if you if you make that leap. But my advice to anybody in their mid-forties trying to do something new, I was like these, is it it's not.

00:27:31:17 – 00:27:49:17
It doesn't have to be a Hail Mary if you put the work in before you make that jump. So how, Mary, if you just go, I want to do this. I don't I'm not quite sure what it is. I'm going to give them my job and see what I can do. That's a Hail Mary work on what you're trying to produce, please.

00:27:49:17 – 00:28:24:18
Whatever it is, get it to a point where you feel like it could work and then jump. Don't just give up everything. Have the idea, make that manifest that and make it a reality and then jump. Yeah, I yeah, totally agree with that. With because a lot of these things. Right. Where where there's this, the kind of a mid-life reinvention of oneself you, bombarded by Stephen Bartlett, by Gary.

00:28:24:18 – 00:28:49:14
Right. But who all these personalities and they're like, you know, you live once, right? You get one guy around on this, planet of ours, and that's it. So why delay? Just fucking quit your job now and go and do your little passionate about and I'm not. Yeah, okay. That sounds good. That sounds good. I'll do the job that I am passionate about, but.

00:28:49:16 – 00:29:02:05
How do you even know what it is that you're passionate about? Do you know? I mean, as in, for, to do a job? I know I think the way to remember passion is, is over.

00:29:02:07 – 00:29:22:14
Passion. It doesn't mean much. It just means you're willing to do something and. Yeah. Yeah. So what would you say? Sorry. Okay. So no, no, I think like, I remember when I was younger, I was in my late, late teens, early 20s, I got a warehouse job. I was like, I need to do something different. I don't know what I want to do.

00:29:22:14 – 00:29:43:14
What am I passionate about? So this is before the kind of, the entrepreneurs telling us what to to be doing on the internet. Yeah. And, I wanted to be a fish farmer, and I wanted to be a fish farmer. And I looked where Mountain College was, which was the closest College is a fish farm. Be it's someone that grows fish.

00:29:43:14 – 00:30:04:12
And the lakes in the lake in multiple lakes. Right. Gone. I never knew this about you. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, it was all perfect because I like fishing. Yeah, I love fishing, so I know I'll be a fish farmer, but essentially, like, I followed quite a few fish farms online, but it's like early morning hard work because I'm working on a farm.

00:30:04:13 – 00:30:24:14
Yeah. Long days, not fucking great money, you smelly your wet all the time. I know what I think. It's just this, you know, the notion of people get stuck in what they're doing, and then it's like, find the passion and find, you know, what you're passionate about are what I'm passionate about. Pottery. Okay? I'm now going to quit my job and just do pottery.

00:30:24:14 – 00:30:49:13
But there's been no, foresight into what it is, what product or what you're doing to sell in pottery, or how you're positioning yourself. Or. Where is that you going? You just do it, though. You do it. You don't. Sometimes when you're gone. Not the business you do. You the pottery, you make the pottery and you keep making it until you're fucking right.

00:30:49:15 – 00:31:12:08
Yes. And the point where you do it is because you enjoy the process of doing it. Yeah. Then the if the money is ever going to follow, it will. If you're passionate, it may be what you're passionate about just doesn't have monetary value. It might be that, yeah, people think your pottery shit or it might be shit. Yeah yeah yeah.

00:31:12:10 – 00:31:38:11
But but the the money in the business side of it can't be at the forefront of what you're doing, because that's work. That's business. Yeah. That's not passion is it. So passionate about it. You would do it regardless. Exactly. So I think with if you are like saying about, hobbies and stuff or you're thinking what, you want to quit your job because you hate being, I don't know, whatever, whatever analysis of some kind.

00:31:38:13 – 00:31:51:15
And you're like, oh, I want to be, I don't know, something to work in football, whatever it might be. And then it quit because. Because you.

00:31:51:17 – 00:32:28:23
Can't you 48. You can't be employed. Well, and tell me what I can't do. You throw you, you 20 years of your career down the drain just to be a pool boy. The money. You you don't even earn anyone for free. But the the the kind of passion and the hobby aspect of it is to, like, stick with doing your passion and a hobby, and then if you can make money out of that after, instead of thinking about the money bit first, because you'll end up doing something just for the monetary value, rather than that you will have longevity because you enjoy doing something.

00:32:28:23 – 00:32:57:24
Yeah. You're not. I mean, yeah, I mean, even to this day is that, don't produce the fighting cock thinking about the money. All the lab thinking about the money. There's things I do in order to maximize what I can earn out of it. Yeah, but, no, it's because of one of the interesting conversations I think I can have on the lab that I want to have, and that's what drives it.

00:32:57:24 – 00:33:22:07
I don't if I can't find the subject, I don't release the episodes. I don't record anything for the sake of recording. Yeah, but there would be the obviously, the more I record, the more I publish, the more money I buy. I can bring in. Yeah, but that wouldn't be about doing it because I love doing it. That would be about doing it because it makes financial sense.

00:33:22:09 – 00:33:44:04
And there have been a temptation in the last year with the House to, to just start doing three episodes in a week just for the sake of doing it. But you I think people will see it in the end. That found in the in the you won't be. Yeah. What makes you what makes it something that people want to listen to could be lost by forcing the conversation.

00:33:44:06 – 00:34:01:15
It. Yeah, I totally agree. And it's why wouldn't you said about like recording it because you enjoy talking about Tottenham and the fighting cock and stuff like that. I enjoy talking to you guys about, sometimes I don't enjoy talking about Tottenham at all.

00:34:01:17 – 00:34:36:24
My, daughters Mike came over the other day and her family at Tottenham and. Yeah. And she was saying to me, oh, like, like you, you have to speak about Tottenham quite a lot on your podcast. And doesn't it get like tiring when we're losing all the time and stuff like that? And isn't it horrible? And I was like, I mean, it is obviously it's not nice to be losing all the time, but I get to speak to like my mates about Tottenham, something that I love, and I get to play around with my mates all the time.

00:34:37:01 – 00:34:58:13
Like, that's fucking fun, man. That's so good. The greatest compliment we ever receive is when things are shit and someone goes, I know I could rely on fine cock to pick us up like we know. Everyone knows it's shit, but when they listen to the fighting cock, are they going to be entertained? Still is the oh, how are we going to have that moment?

00:34:58:13 – 00:35:20:21
We don't always nail it either, Ricky, but are we going to get that moment where we're all pre set up. Yeah. And sometimes it doesn't come, sometimes it does. Even in the darkest. It's actually often in the darkest periods of following Spurs so could well get well finally by the end of the season that you that we managed to nail that.

00:35:20:21 – 00:35:38:17
But yeah. But that's what I'm saying, is that when the that's what I think is good about what we do is that regardless of what happens on the pod, let's go to the club. We can we can make it make it light hearted. And, you can only do that if you're passionate about it, I think. Yeah, totally.

00:35:38:20 – 00:36:04:24
The key is the message here is it's about be passionate about what you do. And if you you want to shift and pivot to a new line of work. Speaking to, a mutual friend of ours, Dave, who became a Buddhist and. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. His name. I want to get it right now, Dave.

00:36:05:01 – 00:36:37:24
It's Shepard, the data. Shepard data. That's his. No, no, not David Shepard data. And he is, a practice practicing Buddhist and well into it basically is the way to describe it. So, I called him we had a 20 minute conversation last week, but. Yeah. And I think what it came from was for me and Ricky and I had a bunch of mates in the early 2000.

00:36:38:00 – 00:36:54:07
How meet me and Rick. No, no. Now, from you know, each other now, from an internet forum. And we all became like two good mates would meet up 3 or 4 times a year and gone to peers and stuff. It was a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Dave was a part of that. And I remember him at the time.

00:36:54:07 – 00:37:20:21
He had a pretty important job in an important, well-paid job in insurance in the company. Yeah. And I remember him talking about it back then. He hated it. He just hated it. But it was really well paid. And actually, he did say to me on the phone, you know, I was like, I was in a situation where at 47, I could retire, I could I've earned enough money in insurance to retire.

00:37:20:23 – 00:37:35:02
But yeah, but I mean it, given 25 years of his life in doing something you hate. Yeah. But the desire for a lot of people would be. I'd need to make more. I will make more. I want a bigger house. I want a bigger car. I want to go on more holidays. I want to I want to own more.

00:37:35:03 – 00:37:56:10
I want to, you know, most people don't stop. But he he made a decision which would impact his the his family and his wife and stuff. And he made a decision to go, I'm not happy. I need to change this. I can't do this forever. And I have the opportunity to, which is very different from the situation of most people.

00:37:56:12 – 00:38:27:08
But, yeah, if I can lift the insurance game and now, effectively as a practicing Buddhist, this spreads the word of Buddha, whatever it is, I don't know that. I mean, like if you're going to go through a, transition, a life transition that is like from being a like working in the financial district of London insurance and loads of being very well paid and then quitting that.

00:38:27:08 – 00:38:49:07
Oh, and become a Buddhist. Not a monk, but just but but being back into Buddhism. Yeah. I mean like that's fucking, that's a transition and a half an hour maybe. But it's just shows like, I mean, you know, the temptation to stay in a high paying job is going to be there. If you're lucky enough, then, Dave, you still had to make that leap.

00:38:49:09 – 00:39:13:12
Like he's not making the money he made previously and I'm, say, retired. I don't know how much money he had. But anyway, it's there are examples for out for everywhere you want to look with people changing their their life. But my brother, he you know, he's he's, what does he do? I think he sells computer equipment like it solutions basically solves problem.

00:39:13:14 – 00:39:30:10
But, you know, he's passionate about fucking antiques, not fucking antiques. Antiques. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Antiques. On the dock with me. Men. Fucking vases and shit.

00:39:30:12 – 00:39:49:12
Yeah. No. So? So. And I. You know, what he should be doing, I think, is I can become an antique dealer to go and do that. But he has a commitment. He's got a mortgage, he's got kids he's got to pay for and shit like that. So. But that's what he's passionate about. That's what he'd love to do, is just walk around finding bargains in the Bay.

00:39:49:14 – 00:40:21:08
David Dickinson, do you ever, like, do you ever have, not like a midlife, like, pivot in your life. Like, for me, I look at that stuff and what you just said about, antiques and know I would love to do that. I would love to buy stuff on Facebook and flip it and live my life on, you know, doing stuff like that on eBay or antiques or whatever, because it sounds good and it sounds fun and it's but the practicality of it for me, probably not.

00:40:21:09 – 00:40:48:01
Just not that passionate about it. But the idea of something sounds like that's what I should be doing. Do you know, I mean, yeah, it's stuff money and excitement and antiques. But then if I got into it, then I don't. I don't know if that would be my calling. You know that before jumping, I didn't, you know, it's like turning hobbies into business.

00:40:48:03 – 00:41:15:07
Well, that that's the thing. I don't know if people do know that. I don't know if people know the difference between, that is that that's attractive lifestyle. Right. And that is it. Well, you don't know that until you start doing. Yeah. Because like I said before, it can't be. It can't be the reason for you doing it cannot be physical.

00:41:15:09 – 00:41:37:05
It has to be because you want to do it. Or I mean, because that in that instance, it's just working for yourself in a job that, you know, works financially. But you know that. I mean, it's just, yeah. I mean, if you're if you wanted to be a fish farmer. Yeah. Don't start farming fish. If you like it, you'll make it work.

00:41:37:05 – 00:41:56:10
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you still want to do it. No. Oh no no no no no no no. Why would you. You'd want to do something around fishing when you yeah I do maybe fishing content. Oh, do you know what I I've, I have I did like because sometimes you go through peaks and troughs and what you're doing and where you are in life.

00:41:56:10 – 00:42:27:01
And do I really want to do this my whole life? And when I'm 60, am I going to be, I don't know, recording podcasts or filming content or doing this and doing that. Now, what is it that I want? What is it that I get enjoyment out of? And I'll tell you the truth, I love doing this. I love doing, like, recording pods, lats, the fighting cock, adding videos for myself, working for myself, doing everything to do with what I'm doing at the moment.

00:42:27:03 – 00:42:45:08
Financially, it could be a hell of a lot better, but at the moment I'm I'm at the bottom and I'm working my way up and I'm fine with that and I'm at peace with that. But sometimes you just need those reminders of sometimes you just get lost in your poverty bin. Where am I going? How am I doing it?

00:42:45:08 – 00:43:02:14
Like, what is it that I need to do more? Am I even enjoying it? And you wake up on those days and you're like, how? Well, how did I get here? What am I worried about? What is it that's happening? And then there are some days that I'm just like, like I'm doing this for a living, and I'm right.

00:43:02:15 – 00:43:23:04
This is, it's not my mental space. And if I can carry on doing this and keep, you know, toe in the water, doing what I'm doing and paying my bills, you know, I'm. I'm happy. I'm sweet. That's kind of where I'm at with it. But, like, you know, the fish farming and any other kind of, other don't I have an idea of antique dealer or whatever.

00:43:23:10 – 00:43:52:09
Just piles to insignificance to, to rather than and then doing this. Yeah. There's a second comment on patron. I'm 35 and just started college University this year. I'm about twice the age of everyone else in my class, and I still don't know if making the right if I'm making the right decision or not, if I should have continued my well-paying but backbreaking job.

00:43:52:11 – 00:44:19:12
So I mean that someone that is of, you know, not about 35, but having the guts to be 35 years old and go back to university. I mean, that's fucking some stones on. Yeah, 100%. I mean, I don't know. And no one will ever know if you have made the right decision or, the thing is, what?

00:44:19:13 – 00:44:50:10
Like what? Why do you leave your well-paid, we call job the first place? There's nothing. I, I mean, apart from the awkwardness of being in these college classes with people are young and you. There's nothing negative that can come from learning more. Nothing at all. You're doing 100% the right thing. Yeah. And and the part of, you know, leaving your well-paying job but backbreaking job.

00:44:50:10 – 00:45:18:10
I mean, there's a reason why you left it. You know why you left? Shit. Right? Yeah, exactly. You hated it. I think even though it's well-paying, a lot of people stay in jobs that are well-paying, and they hate it. But you've made the leap to go back to university, so fair play. And I would say I listen to my dad complain about his job all the time, and I'd hear him get up and get to get in his van at 630 every morning.

00:45:18:12 – 00:45:31:10
And I was like, I'm not going to do that. I'm not a I'm definitely not going to do that. I that sounds yeah, it.

00:45:31:12 – 00:46:02:06
Isaac it irrigates. And he did it till 57 and then he retired. But he hated it. Fucking hated it. That's like all the years he spent in that fucking van driving around London. Yeah, but I can't do that. I can't and I remember Rick, I remember I was working for the youth. Was I working? I was volunteering when I was like 15, 16, a youth media charity, a magazine.

00:46:02:08 – 00:46:27:08
And we they wanted to get some young opinion between us, some young people. And something I don't remember it was for the, Guardian, and I was because I was in the office and the journalist came in, I was they spoke to me and they transcribed what I said, and they published it in the newspaper in the in The Guardian.

00:46:27:12 – 00:46:46:21
And the buzz I got from seeing my name in print, you know, newspaper all desire. That's this is it. This is what I want to do. I want I want to be, what I want to do this this is I had the idea of journalism because I was, dreaming year nine when you were choosing your options.

00:46:46:23 – 00:47:09:08
Yeah, I remember that in my tutor group. My tutor, Mrs.. On a crazy, she gave us all career path books, and it was just explaining all the different careers you can have. So five fighting Army or whatever it one. And I was skipping through and I landed on a page said journalism. And I was like, I don't I kind of knew what it was.

00:47:09:10 – 00:47:28:05
It just punched out the screen, out the book at me, rather. And I read the section. I'm like, I want to do that. That sounds good. And then from that point onwards, I kind of knew that it was going to be to do with something to do with information. I didn't think it would be broadcasting or podcasting.

00:47:28:05 – 00:47:50:17
I thought it was going to be writing, but it's hard writing it. Yeah, it's hard work anyway, so I've had that kind of passion for a long time, so it was easier from for me. I was lucky that I had something I knew I wanted to do from the start, whereas looking for something different in midlife is much more difficult.

00:47:50:19 – 00:48:11:09
Yeah. I mean, like the midlife, I, I get it with, with people. Not the first person that, the first patron that emailed in and was like, they are comfortable. You know, they've been at the job for ten years and they're comfortable. And they, you know, they're not particularly, sad or hate their job, but it's like uncomfortable.

00:48:11:09 – 00:48:32:23
I could and, you know, maybe want to stretch myself or do something more or whatever it might be. And it is incredibly hard at this midlife point where you especially with, you know, the cost of living crisis, fucking cost, the petrol cost of everything.

00:48:33:00 – 00:49:04:24
To then go, do you know what? I'm going to do something else. I'm going to retrain for something hours. I'm going to, What what my income is at the moment. I'm going to shop because I want to do this instead of what I'm doing, and that I obviously understand that. But. Well, my mum, my mum started a business in the 60s, which was she would have been really profitable if, she could be bothered.

00:49:05:01 – 00:49:11:24
And that isn't. That's not fair. I should say,

00:49:12:01 – 00:49:30:05
I should say, she actually had to. She had to give it up because she was taking care of her husband who was dying. Right? Yeah, that's probably the truth. But even at the time, I was like, mum, you got. You got something really good here. You just need to maximize it. But a drive wasn't when she got paid from it.

00:49:30:05 – 00:50:05:06
She was. I wanna call this money rather than, wow, this is working. This is proof of a concept. And what she did was she was a midwife, and she was working in the NHS. Yeah, she was working at the Whittington Hospital delivering babies. Yeah. And she was really good at it. And she noticed inside that the I think it's called NCT is a is the stuff you, the courses you do is parents the provided by the NHS or some sort of charity.

00:50:05:08 – 00:50:23:10
And I teach you about what what's going to happen. Like what happens during childbirth. What happens after childbirth. Yeah. And my mum didn't think it was good enough. She thought that the courses were okay, but she thought that she could do it along with her friend. You know, just much more sort, personable way that that would serve you.

00:50:23:10 – 00:50:49:00
Didn't you do it, Ricky? Yeah, of course I was going to bring this up. Fuck, yeah. Yeah. Me and Donna, and TT is, by your mother. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. Shit. That just it literally just clocked as. I got a minute. You did it. Yeah. So. So it wasn't NCT. It was. It was her own private thing, but it was basically that good birthing masses.

00:50:49:02 – 00:51:12:04
Go see, it works at birthing masses. Birth mother. So, yeah, she came up this idea, she's like this. There's a gap here for a different way of teaching, a much more personal loving and and. Yeah, you know, comfortable and, where he worked, like, people would sign up, they'd be booked up, but she just. I think at her age, she just felt, I don't know.

00:51:12:06 – 00:51:34:24
And she, you know, like I said, her husband was, was dying. So I, I just think the fact that she'd come up with this business and made it work, and it would really if she scaled it, she would have she would have made a lot of money. Yeah. That and I would say to mum, you you've got this, this is so good, you could scale this.

00:51:34:24 – 00:51:57:12
You could teach other people to teach in your way. You could put more classes on. But she just didn't want to. But the point is, is opportunities at any time can, you know, where the head teachers gotta be watching and waiting for these things happen? Because I always remember, like, during the class as well. Like, obviously I'm supposed to be there learning about when my child is going to be born.

00:51:57:12 – 00:52:18:06
I know exactly what you're going to say. We're more tiring, but I'll miss it. Yeah. What do you care about us? That's that. Fuck. You know I can't. I can't close the chat, can't concentrate. And she, she had this, it breast as well. So she would always be show this city looking at me. And I was like, fuck, you know, I can't stop laughing.

00:52:18:06 – 00:52:24:18
I don't know what I'm going to do. Smile. Yeah.

00:52:24:20 – 00:52:58:14
So fucking stupid, man. I'm such a child. Such that it's a. Yeah, it's a, before, we go on. Right. I just want to say, like, so we we've spoken about, careers, transitions and, like a midlife transition, shall we say, with, like, even so, something so, so smooth as the way people look. Have you ever had any, like, a kind of a transition in the way that you look?

00:52:58:20 – 00:53:25:03
Not as in, like, fillers and stuff, but like, do you know what? For me, like, I was, you know, I prided myself on being an indie boy. Right? Fred Perry's polo shirts stand up to, you know, the top button. Skinny jeans, brogues, the hairstyle, listening to, you know, a way to, all of that stuff. Right. And I lived my life like that up until, 30.

00:53:25:03 – 00:53:53:12
And then I've got a skin it. And I still wore that kind of clobber, but my, my kind of lust for, you know, this is my generation. That kind of like I'm a mod type thing. I became a dad, and none of that really kind of mattered. And I've been lost in this. I wear casual clothing, football, casual clothing a lot of the time.

00:53:53:16 – 00:54:12:22
But I'm also like, I don't really know what I am anymore. Does that make sense? Oh, your your identity? Yeah, I do like, I still wear that casual clobber and stuff, but there's parts of me that is like,

00:54:12:24 – 00:54:37:03
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what it is anymore of what I, I would say my fashions like, I see you boys like chatting about trainers and all that, like all the time. And I'm not I've no not interested. No, I just I never thought I would ever be that guy that puts clothes on because they're comfortable, that I have that guy like I will never be to the point where I look like a fucking mess.

00:54:37:03 – 00:55:00:21
But, I don't know. I think there's, there's, there's people out there that have always looked the way they are because they're comfortable that way, but that's not really who they are. I would say, I would say that I mean, this is really a question about identity, isn't it? And subculture. But like my little brother, you you might be listening to this athlete.

00:55:00:23 – 00:55:27:10
So he went through massive phases when he was younger and was heavily into the punk scene. I was talking to him about the other day, and there's a great picture of him with, a what do you call that hairstyle, the punk hairstyle with shaved head. But then you have like a mohawk. Yeah, massive mohawk, though, not just a normal mode like, and he would he put PVA glue in his hair and that would stand up.

00:55:27:12 – 00:55:46:02
No other bald now. But he did. Mohawk. You would go to Camden to see those because of their. Yeah. But that they're like, I think that's kind of seen as a bit gimmicky and maybe not real and not part of the punk scene. They just apparently. But also anyway, my brother was into it, but then, then he and I think I can't remember verbatim what he said, but it made me laugh.

00:55:46:02 – 00:56:05:21
And you guys, I just wanted oh, he had it was a poster, I think, of all of this gig that he went to and had all these different punk bands, misfits and whatnot, and I mean, well, who did you like then? He goes, to be honest, I don't want to know much about any of them. I just really wanted to fit in or something along those lines, which was really honest with him.

00:56:05:23 – 00:56:29:23
Yeah. If you listen to that. What? Remind me what exactly you said, but, often when you're so entrenched in something like an indie look or a, you know, rocker look or punk look, none of these people know who they are. And because they because they, because you so heavily into a subculture is it's about belonging to something bigger than yourself.

00:56:29:23 – 00:56:43:07
It's almost like they want to disappear. I think. So I, yeah, yeah. Don't have to. You don't have to know, Rick. I mean, I think less of you as a man.

00:56:43:09 – 00:57:05:08
Because, you know, I want to say because you you as soon as you go home, you take your jeans off and put something comfy on. So somewhere I'm wearing jogging bottoms at the moment. My, I'm in chinos. It's just a little update that that that, another fix. My brother Ryan about this things. They had him over with the kids over Easter, and he.

00:57:05:08 – 00:57:30:09
He wears jeans up until he gets to bed. He's like, fucking geezer. He's a man. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he is a proper man. Like you, on the other hand, not as manly, I am as manly. But, you know, the jeans in there. Before we, finish, it's a bit of a big one, and, I left this one to last because we can't really say anything about this.

00:57:30:09 – 00:58:03:23
Right. But relationships, and having, like, a midlife, because it's typical. People are our age, midlife, you know, crisis, transition, whatever you want to call it, right? You're in a relationship that you've been in for God knows how long, you have kids with a person or whatever. And you get to a point. It's like, is this it where we, to friends living in a house together?

00:58:03:24 – 00:58:21:22
I, I'm going to go a message that, let's get the word school with. All right. So I went to school with and we had a little, you know, back in the day when we were 16 or whatever. She's not with a person anymore. You want to. You want to meet up for a coffee? Like going down those roots?

00:58:21:24 – 00:58:46:24
Oh, yeah. That's where the cheating starts in it. You kind of feel like you need something else in your life. And then it starts with that conversation. He doesn't like the act of. Of having sex with someone else is where cheating starts to that point. It starts when you entertain the attention. Yeah. And if you're unhappy, sometimes that attention is hard to to not to to turn down.

00:58:47:01 – 00:58:53:20
Yeah. You're right. What was the question? I don't know,

00:58:53:22 – 00:59:17:05
I know it's just talking about relationships and that that kind of, the, the, the crisis that some people have that they were in the same relationship, but and sometimes people just aren't. It's not that that they're unhappy. But they're not happy. Does that make sense? Yeah, they are just coasting. And they have been coasting for a while, but it doesn't really feel like, I don't know.

00:59:17:07 – 00:59:34:10
Are we going to get married? Are we going to have kids? We've got a mortgage. We're just in each other's company. We gotta work. We come home, eat dinner and got a bed, and. And it's just kind of like they that that. Does that mean that their relationship isn't working? Does that mean that they should find someone else?

00:59:34:10 – 00:59:53:03
Does that mean it's that content person across the. Yeah. Do you feel content like I mean the missus like she's she does shifts. Right. So it's hard to kind of pin down the time when we can actually do something together. But she had a day off yesterday and at lunchtime because we we were pretty skint at the moment.

00:59:53:03 – 01:00:21:11
Right. So we can't afford to buy stuff in the house in these like world of new wardrobe for example, we can't afford to buy a new wardrobe, but it isn't the wardrobe we want, so you just don't have one until you can afford that eventually, right? It's like a table. These are personal problems I don't want to say, but there's a there's a there's we we got an idea of on a table we want in our, in our dining room, but they're really expensive.

01:00:21:12 – 01:00:44:10
So it's not, it's not going to happen for a year, which is fine. Absolutely fine. Right. Is it an extender. Oh yes. Is there a stand off? No. It's a long country table. Oh, yeah. All right. Yeah. But we've got, like, an abnormally long dining room, so, like, very lucky and grateful. But you can't have everything you want right now, so you have to prioritize bills over these things, which is fine.

01:00:44:11 – 01:01:05:21
Yeah. So what we did, because we still need furniture in the house, is we went to a Dorothy Perkins knows it, officer Perkins. Dorothy has a shoe shop. Dorothy's Dorothy something. Dorothy, there's a new massive one opened right where we live in, like, a warehouse, and it's like we went in and have furniture, and it's like a massive charity shop, basically.

01:01:05:24 – 01:01:32:18
Yeah. My point I'm trying to make it right is we had a wonderful Aronoff just walking around looking at stuff, look at all the pictures. And then we had a bit of lunch and that was a one like really nice way to spend a couple of hours. We didn't have any in-depth conversation. We just with each other. And that contentment is that you can't do that if there is no contentment.

01:01:32:18 – 01:01:57:11
Like that's just then walking around a charity shop with someone you ate well you don't want to be with. Yeah, yeah. So if you're unhappy in a relationship, it doesn't matter. Like eat. It's difficult with kids. Yeah. And that is the thing that stops all of these ambitions to change your life. Typically it's mortgage and kids. Just you stuck in it 100%.

01:01:57:13 – 01:02:27:09
Yeah. I mean like with, like you said with contentment like and again me and my Mrs.. We, you know, we're starting out as self-employed money whatever. But and the kind of what you're saying that that where you find the joys and stuff like yesterday we were both just in the house, but I barely laughed three times, like, really deep belly laugh.

01:02:27:09 – 01:02:48:14
Yeah. And I was just at those points that's like, this is going to sound wet, right? But you know, when you're like, there is nowhere else I'd rather be than down here. Yeah. And and we aren't going to the mall days. We're not fucking got a Range Rover outside. We've not got a five bedroom house. We haven't got all this stuff and shabby and stuff like that.

01:02:48:16 – 01:03:06:12
So. So I guess that when would you exchange it for someone you didn't like that much, but you did have you did go to the Maldives once a year and you did a Range Rover. Those things don't matter. No they don't. They just don't matter. If you're content with each other, you could live in a shoebox. That's that's it.

01:03:06:14 – 01:03:25:12
And like my Mrs. always said, that is says she said I would live anywhere with you. And I'm like that is I live and like it doesn't matter, but it does matter, right? Because you want a nice house, you want to and it matters to her. It's important. She likes it sort of entertaining and whatnot. But crucially, it doesn't matter when it comes down to it.

01:03:25:14 – 01:03:48:13
Yeah, completely. Yeah. So, to, to finish off, I think. Yeah. Contentment. And if you are, thinking of that, relationship transition, I would, I would just have a little look before you go outward looking first look inside and see. See what's what. Really see if there's anything that's, salvageable or what you could do different.

01:03:48:15 – 01:04:09:13
Right. We are going to be moving on to something only you know. But the topic for next week is, I hadn't I hadn't discussed it with you, actually. When do you ever. Next week is now what I might stay wrestling. Okay. Where to? We're talking about WWE. From the characters and costumes to the story arcs and complex wrestling.

01:04:09:13 – 01:04:28:17
Is it cool? Choreograph choreographing? I mean, we should we should definitely have Cow or Alex on, This is what I said. I didn't mention it to you because I have reached out to count cow is going to come on board. I hadn't spoken to you about when we're recording that. Good. What kayfabe means. No idea.

01:04:28:22 – 01:05:00:21
Our childhood memories and growing up with wrestling. And why is the only sport where everyone is in on the agreement? It's fake, but no one says anything weird. I. I absolutely hate everything about wrestling at the wrestling part of it. Yeah, what surrounds it is fucking fascinating. Like this. Phenomenal. Me and how during lockdown we did a series called wrestling where I saw shit about write about wrestling, and he would tell me about it and then he go, well, no, you need to watch this match now.

01:05:00:21 – 01:05:20:22
It's not like this is terrible. It's awful. He anyway, we'll talk about the history. So if you hadn't, you know, realized already that we will be having a guest on next week. And it is Karl you would have heard him from. You may have heard him from Below the Belt podcast. The fighting cock, you know, cow that he will be coming on.

01:05:20:24 – 01:05:51:11
Right. We are going to go into something only, you know, something on, you know, that's the transition, is it? Yeah. Okay. It's called how the phone. Hello, fellas. Started listening to the pod recently and loving it. I still, share a story that only I know. When I was younger, I went on a weekend in Amsterdam where any liquid and herbal substance was abused on site.

01:05:51:13 – 01:06:14:17
Naturally, this included frequent jaunts through the red light district while trying to find suitable coffee shops. In the build up to the weekend, a mate and I had been discussing whether we'd visit one of the red light doors for a bit of fun. After a few drinks, we both found the Dutch courage to go through with it and each approached the door that we like the look of.

01:06:14:19 – 01:06:38:10
I'm a firm believer that life is about experiences, but as a happily married man, I can't begin to put myself in the frame of mind to consider doing this. Even, even as the young single man I was back then. Nonetheless, I was in my early 20s, and I don't regret it at all. I didn't have the €200 on me that I needed for payment.

01:06:38:12 – 01:06:59:21
So what did your woman. Yeah. No, I I'm here. Yeah. I, I you know, I mean she deserves it obviously. But I do think I know that it got going. I got some. All right. Okay. But the woman was happy for me to leave my iPhone for with her while I found the cashpoint, to withdraw money from.

01:06:59:23 – 01:07:23:08
I agreed and went to withdraw the money. Needless to say, I returned, paid the money, and got my phone back. Fast forward a decade and I've been through countless iPhones and various other Android models that I've since sold and moved on. There's a box under my bed that I keep trinkets and other miscellaneous things in that hold a tenuous sentimental value to me.

01:07:23:10 – 01:07:46:11
In this box is the old phone that I haven't sold. And that's the iPhone for what my wife is. It aware is that before we met, the phone was used as a holding payment for 15 minutes of fun with a brass in Amsterdam. And that's the only thing I know. That's good. £200 sounds a lot.

01:07:46:11 – 01:08:09:16
And I know exactly what you said. I could not imagine a world where I do something like that. I know I never have. I know people that. I know people that just don't care. And just like I've had some fun, but the idea of having sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you, to me, is just the most least sexy thing on earth.

01:08:09:18 – 01:08:39:17
So. Yeah. And, unlike. Yeah, if we thought we'd done an episode in Amsterdam. Now, I will probably do one. Yeah, that'd be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. I yeah. I don't understand. So I've got mates. So I've got people like me that have never, been to brass. I've got people that I've tried it and I've got people that obviously, like you just said, that just don't bat an eyelid over there.

01:08:39:19 – 01:08:59:13
And at any of the points, I'm still like, I don't know, I like, yeah. I mean, he was saying 15 minutes if found out. I mean, I ain't going to be in there for 15 minutes, right? But for this, like five minutes of, getting myself off, what really is it? Can it feel that good? I don't think I'll be able to get an erection.

01:08:59:13 – 01:09:13:12
I really don't think I'm about to get erection. I've told the story about my mate who was there. We were there for a long, long time ago. For a stag do. Yeah, yeah, I all right.

01:09:13:14 – 01:09:36:22
He, he basically was. We went over there for four days. Honestly, the, the amount of abuse I put my fruit my body through in that. I mean, maybe if we didn't Amsterdam issue, we could talk about it at length. But anyway. So pretty soon he was just got, Oh, right, I could do. I'm fucking doing a prostitute.

01:09:36:22 – 01:09:55:17
And we're like, none of us are going to judge you. Yeah, if you want to do it. And he's ramping himself up. God, yeah. So the last night, and he was like, all right, I'm going to do it. And we're in this Parliament, right? Well, wait here, you gotta do it. So, that's the way he spoke.

01:09:55:19 – 01:10:03:16
I said I love the accent, you know, because I know he. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he, he,

01:10:03:18 – 01:10:28:19
He went and did it, and every one of his worst fears came true. Oh, it was the worst experience of his life. He went in there, he, she pulled down his shorts. She grabbed him by the cock and led him to the sink where she washed his cock very vigorously. Which, you know, I think maybe he should have washed his own cock before going.

01:10:28:21 – 01:10:48:07
Then she wouldn't have been so vigorously with it. But was he? He's just standing there like that, and she's washing these cookies. He's looking around this room and, she go, I think she was close to go down on him or something like that. And, he can't get it up, but she just looks at him, and you just come back when you're brave.

01:10:48:08 – 01:11:08:13
Oh my God. Yeah. And he, that was it when he went off and he wasn't brave, didn't go back, lost his whatever it was that he paid for. Do you, do you think he got a, like, part of a refund or anything? No, it's just not giving the money back. You got to performance. Well, you're you're you're a part of this.

01:11:08:15 – 01:11:32:00
She's. You know, I don't, but this, this gentleman here who had that trinket. So keepsakes under his bed, dear. You don't strike me as a man who has. And he keeps the trinkets or anything. Not nothing. I'll find someone I didn't know I've had of, pictures of my, I've got pictures of my granddad in the Second World War and in Egypt.

01:11:32:05 – 01:11:47:20
The rape. A rape. Really? Yeah. I don't know where they are now. They're around. So. No, no, no, no, they're around somewhere. But, What? Would you like to see him? Fuck yeah, I would. I got his medals.

01:11:47:22 – 01:12:11:18
That would be that up in my house. Oh, would you spend the night under it? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. All up, when you come on, you go on like you should come because, the space for you to sleep now is there. But the house, as you bring the house, there's bedrooms. We couldn't like it. They keep asking me so they would have to sleep in at the moment, in the front room, on a very comfortable put.

01:12:11:18 – 01:12:19:04
Put you up, or you and Donna could sleep on there and, And they can see from the bedrooms up to you.

01:12:19:06 – 01:12:34:14
Either or. That's fine. All right. Well, come down, come down. This weekend I will date I did you said this week. Yeah. Come down this weekend. Yeah, yeah. Drive over tomorrow. Why don't you drive over and watch some boxing together on Saturday? You just drive. Oh, just drive over. I could you could do could do that. Could you?

01:12:34:14 – 01:12:55:18
Yeah, yeah. Drive over this Saturday, stay the night, drive back. Fuck. I could do that. No. Know you won't see this video. I could tell you I'm not. I'm. I'm not saying I will. I'm saying I could do. Okay. I could do that. The fuck were driving all the way over for fucking fury. There's some fucking Russian guys I've never heard of.

01:12:55:20 – 01:13:17:07
No, nor have I, haven't. Oh, wow. Well, it's up to you. Don't get me this weekend. It could be any weekend. Yeah, it definitely needs to be before, you know, I'll come down in June. Excuse me. So. No. That's much. Yeah. No. All right. That's right. Thank you for joining us on, that's anonymous. I say two.

01:13:17:07 – 01:13:41:11
I was the two. I would drive two hours. I know, I know there would be doing. Why don't you come down? So I was essentially longer to get to Tottenham. No. Not driving Tottenham was an hour. Well drive two hours. Yeah. I drove for three hours the other day to Caistor. So I went to Caister on Sea. I don't know what that means.

01:13:41:11 – 01:13:59:24
What you're saying. I went to a caravan. Little free day. I was, I was called consistency. Caister on the sea. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, lovely. The caravan was right on the beach. Fucking lovely. All right. How did you not know that? I didn't know, I knew you went away. I didn't know it's case. I've never had a case.

01:13:59:24 – 01:14:07:03
Don't sit next to a place with California. Yeah, it's. I walked to California on my lunch.

01:14:07:05 – 01:14:29:07
Right. That's the topic for next week is wrestling. If you've got any wrestling questions, stories or anything that you want to add to the pod, email us at lads. Anon pod at gmail.com. Until then, we'll see you next week. It's not far from Cromer. I just go to Cromer on holiday. When I was a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we went to Crimea as well.

01:14:29:08 – 01:14:47:22
We didn't go this time. We went last last year. I've got a, I've got a, scar on my face that was happening. Cromer. That scar, that one on your cheek. Yeah. Fell off a wall in Cromer when I was four. And that's beside him. It was like that. The scar is still there. That's how. That's how bad it was.

01:14:47:22 – 01:14:49:05
Yeah. I'm gone above a.

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Big one. We I was, just asked Tao a question because he's got Cal Collector wrestling belt, so let's not judge him. Do you know, watch the. We've done a few podcasts about wrestling. Me and you, Cal. First time in Latin. None of us, obviously. People seem to be really supportive of his love of wrestling.

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Rise. I think it's the most dorky thing about him. People are really like, oh, no, actually, quite like the wrestling content. I think that's like the secret wrestling fans out wrestling fans out there anyway. But there was this, hey, How? Held up a wrestling belt, a champ, a wrestling belt, right? What what what was the wrestler Belko.

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It's it's a replica of the world title. Is the show that exists in circulation now. The wrestler. No, it does not exist anymore. It is not in circulation in any wrestling company nowadays. Okay, it's out of circulation. I don't get out. Okay. So. So so I was like, are you all year? Do you have any replica boxing belts?

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Because that would make more sense. Because it's real. And then how you said boxing. Boxing. But, I said, I know this is going to sound ridiculous, but I feel like a bit of a fraud if I don't go. I guess it makes sense because it's real, right? You have to earn that because boxing's real people actually have to fight each other and beat each other up and win it, whereas wrestling belts we're going to get into this as we go.

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Is decided by the booker or the guy that's in charge and says, you're going to win tonight, triple H or whatever. So because it's not real wrestling, sadly, I feel less of a fraud to own five wrestling bouts. How long did you say you own five replica wrestling belts? Yeah, so three of them are like, yeah.

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Covid was bad. I know, I know, that money.

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Cow. It's like, yeah, you just jump out and jump. Hennigan son of a bitch.

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What cow. What do you have a picture of Michael Jackson on yet okay. Everything I do, everything I do is for the lows. Right? Everything. It's just such a funny picture. It just cracks me up of, like, old white Michael Jackson biting his lip. It just cracks me up. Me and Kyle play a game called Art Raiders together, and you know his name is on that cow.

00:02:50:05 – 00:03:17:11
Chi-Chi. Jackie. No cow kite. So good. Well, well, we've been saying this name. Obviously, you've you can hear that. We have a guest with us today. We got cow. So cow. Obviously fighting cock. You'll know him from there. But below the belt is well below the belt. Podcast. How long have you been doing below the belt for ten years.

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In February it was fuck. Really good. Only 600? Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. We get about gain about six listeners a year and pretty gave up six. Now. I like I like this one I like I like boxing right. Yeah. It's just boxing is actually this I recorded recorded last night actually. And it's WrestleMania weekend as you know. And we did spend the first like two free minutes talking about WrestleMania.

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But yeah, no, it's a box. Purely a boxing podcast. And flap is always good enough to join me on a Sunday morning. And I'd love to after a big boxing card. Yeah it's great. Yeah, mad anxiety, a bit pain on it though, because people there are people listen to as you really know about boxing. Whereas I would be what people consider probably a casual, maybe not a casual, maybe slightly better than a casual boxing fan.

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But yeah, for people that I learned, like the ones that talk to Cal regularly, these, these guys know boxing. They'll be yeah, yeah. They just know it. Right. And I'm always like, oh God, I don't know that. I don't know what they know that. So is it it's I find it quiet anxiety in Boston hangover on a Sunday morning as well.

00:04:25:07 – 00:04:51:10
But I quite I love talking about it. Big British bouts. That's what I like is my thing. The thing is though, like we've, it's it's always good when you listen to these things to have a mix of, of people and the vast majority of people that are listening are like armchair fans, like casuals. So it's like it's good to have the technical bit from when you're listening to it, but you don't want all the technical, because you just get this bit, where would you please speak?

00:04:51:10 – 00:05:18:18
How casual? I wouldn't place you as a casual no, no. No time. No, not at all. Because, you know, stuff. You just out yourself. That's all it is. Is that you know, you're talking about. But you just. You'll get the imposter syndrome and doubt yourself and then hesitate, which I do. I do exactly the same thing. And but that's kind of the balance I tried to find on the pod is if it's a, a fight, the, you know, like the weekend Tyson Fury against, mood of which is on Netflix is perfect for that because he doesn't know everything.

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He doesn't pretend to know everything, and neither do I. Whereas if we're talking about, now you're new way boxing in Japan, I'll get one of the journalists on because they fucking know everything they know about all the super flyweight. It's all the bantamweight. They know about everything, and they know much more than me. And I can just host.

00:05:33:17 – 00:06:00:08
So it's just about finding that balance. Nice. So if you want to get it, well, if you want to check out below the belt, on Twitter, it's at below the belt underscore. And on Instagram it's just at below the belt pod. So go and follow KAOS, accounts and the podcast as well, if you're on there quite often as well, when you're well below the belt.

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Yeah. Well, yeah, it's just we, we just talked about it. Yeah, I know, but it's not like, you you hadn't heard that, but it was no like a couple you you've been on you're on it quite often. Yeah. As a yes I was on I was on episode one block. Where are you back. Yeah it was. Yeah.

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I mean, it's supposed to be like a kind of joint venture, but we also gave up on council to powering through, basically. But. Yeah, I was checking out the socials. Your, your face is still on the header. Those are funny. Those they are? Yeah.

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Right, lads? Do you know what we're talking about tonight? Wrestling. Yes. Good. Let's fucking go, Joe. Surprising. Actually. Yeah. Go on then. Yeah. Let's play jingle. Yeah. Gone, gone. Do that first. Get a move. On them night. Hazy like Band of brothers. Playing tunes high as quiet. Midnight waves. Surfing free till daylight breaks. Rhythm hit us different ways.

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Love of music that we prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band aside, we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Brothers got my big fat pig with me today in the office. Monkey Bay I was, you know when you your mind immediately goes to do a joke and you're like Ricky, just.

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Or you said you want, what's your wife do in there with my mum? So it would would have been. Which one? Your mum. Not your fucking wife. Jesus Christ, I would say that's fucking low, man. You can't do that. Can't be. Got wives and anything. You can't. Yeah. You and something so horrible ways. Well that really spiteful. I've put my big fat pig.

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So the pig, my. Yeah, yeah I not you harsh man. Why the wives are should be off limits. Typically I'm not. So you can say much about wives. Well I the I mean they should be my mum is a fair game obviously, but yeah. Not nothing about wives. I, when I was writing and writing the running order for this, and I was like, first of all, obviously I've, I've wanted to cover wrestling for a while and then obviously WrestleMania.

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And I was like, this is the perfect time. And when I was thinking about it, it's always quite funny to me about how it's fake and isn't it funny you're going to watch men and wrestle and blah blah, blah. But then when I was writing out the kind of running order for it and thinking like I was, I was like, cry, oh, okay.

00:08:38:11 – 00:09:06:06
My favorite wrestlers early, earliest memories or whatever like that. And genuinely, I like batted off 30 wrestlers off the top of my head. Just machine gun them out somehow. Like it's so deep, ingrained going as a kid. Machine guns. I'm just like, machine got some out now. Big boss man, right? You're hit man. Hulk Hogan, ultimate warrior earthquake.

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Typhoon. Rick the model. Martel. Yeah. Razor Ramone. Fucking Legion of doom. Bushwhackers. Dustin I can't I can't keep going, can you? Did he can keep good. He can. Good. Bret. Hitman. Oh. In hot anvil. Yeah. Yeah. Virgil. Yeah. Ted DiBiase. Yeah. Million dollar man. Fuck it. There's just so many.

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You don't really realize the Ric Flair it sounds like John Cena that that it, that's that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Then I was yeah. Going into new, you know, the rock stone cold Kane, 25 years. Rick. It's not. Well, I mean, not to me, but that's the thing. Like it goes to new era, like the old.

00:10:00:15 – 00:10:22:24
When I grew up. Is it Brutus the Barber Beefcake? Yes. He's a he was a wrestler. Right. Okay. Right. Yeah. Macho man Marty Jannetty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The rock. It's part of the Rock. It's only the rockers. The rock, of course. Shawn Michaels, my Johnny. Yeah, he was the general, I mean, much it wasn't a degenerate drug treat wife beater.

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Was he good? There's lots of those in wrestling. I think we should talk about those. The biggest degenerates. Chris Benoit, number one. I remember I was up there. Yeah. He's absolutely. Yeah. Well, why is he number one? Because he killed his family with dumbbells. Yeah. That is yeah. He he has the guy number one I always think I always think as well.

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Like because they, they found an empty bottle of wine and it was like the is it the wine? It seems such a timid thing to tip him over the edge. Should a empty bottle of vodka tip them over the edge? Yeah. We found a few empty glasses of wine. Or maybe it was, you know, the thousands of head injuries he took in the ring that led him to.

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To probably do it. If that is the case, let me just get into. Let's get into the weeds here. Right. If that is the case, at what point do you go? Well, it's not his fault. It shouldn't. We get dumbbell de family, right. Understand that. Take that on board. But his brain wasn't working properly. Why did he do it?

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I it's c it's CTE. What do you want to say? Why did he do it. What do you want to say? Co bananas, crispy pancakes.

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I didn't think he's going to say that. But I didn't know what you wanted for me to. But would you press. He had c a brain machine. He had massive brain injury C it was it called CTE. So concussion syndrome is where you get it's where you get concussion after concussion so you don't let you. Obviously a concussion is when your brain is kind of rattling around in your head.

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And then it takes time for you to recover from that. But wrestlers back in those days in the 90s would wrestle 300 days a year, right? So they would get a concussion and then wrestle the next night and get another fucking concussion. And so what happens is your brain just starts to I'm not an expert in this, but but let me also just degenerate.

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Let me read it out because this is interesting. So if CTE causes aggression primarily through the accumulation of abnormal tau proteins, which the brain destroys brain tissue specifically in the frontal lobe and the amygdala, amygdala, this damage impairs impulse control, decision making and emotional regulation, leading to personality changes, rage and explosive outbursts, particularly in early stages of the disease.

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So I'm not saying that's the excuse, but I'm going to say sounds like you're clearing and move. Yeah, I think I would point like so hang on a second. I know that the Tourette's guy shout at the N word is that. Yeah. Is that is for is he a racist? Is he a racist? No, that is not a racist.

00:13:04:02 – 00:13:23:24
No. Come on LP Kenny. No, no. Right. So watch it. So what are you saying about it wasn't. Oh, you don't think they got the Ben Morris Ben Rhodes CTE, right. Okay. So so is is the damage the proper model because he was banned. He was part of the wrestling federation. He was banned by everybody. He was like saying with this guy man is disgusting.

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This man is look what he's done. Yeah. He committed a disgusting act because of the damage you received in the ring that you're now saying you should never have been in. Sorry. We have to cut out your running water completely. Yeah, I know that, like, the first thing is, what are your early memories of. Actually, you've just gone straight into fucking murder.

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All the family, the dumbbells.

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Sorry. Know it started off with a positive. No, no. Let's go to murder dumbbells. Now, let's get this out of the way. This actually scratching. Oh, I, I absolutely love talking about wrestling, I should say. Yeah, I know, so I would have to talk about earliest memories. If you want to. No, no, no. Let's go.

00:14:11:14 – 00:14:30:06
Let's, Let's start. Let's start at the beginning. Earliest memories. Gag cow. You're the guest. You tell us. How did you show my. I have four brothers. And it was just one of those things. It was on a on a Saturday morning. I think we had Sky back then. I think we think it was on Sky one or Sky sports.

00:14:30:07 – 00:14:51:05
Remember this one? Back, back. Yeah, on Sky sports as well. And it was just on, it was on, on a Saturday morning wasn't it. I think it was called WWF superstars. Was that was the name of the show on. And it would normally be what, what they call squash. Squash matches where it's earthquake against some random guy and he'll just beat the shit out of them and beat them in 45 seconds.

00:14:51:07 – 00:15:17:22
All right, let's pause. Pause. Sorry. Squash matches. Squash. Squash. So a squash match is one guy beat another guy really quickly? Yeah. Yeah, he's full time in the show, because sometimes you do that and you got, ego earthquake. And here comes Buster. Bill. He can't even aside from a tough area from Tennessee. Yeah. And then you never see him again.

00:15:17:24 – 00:15:40:08
You might see. You might see at some stage when they find these guys that. Yeah, they're just they're generally guys from like the independent circuit. So they're you've got the big you've got. So we've got a generally we talk about non-news wrestling I imagine. So you've got WCW and these days you go I forget that. But underneath that all around America is these little independent ones.

00:15:40:11 – 00:16:03:14
Tennessee Championship Wrestling and stuff like that. Right. So they all exist all over, all over, all over the country. There's little shows happening in little barns and high school gyms and all sorts of shit that's happening everywhere. So the WWF will just plonk, you know, whatever you like from they know how to take a fall, right? They know how to work with the main wrestlers so they don't get hurt.

00:16:03:16 – 00:16:21:07
You can't just pick someone out of the audience. You need to at least have some ring general manship. Yeah, they call it they. They know how to bump so they know how to land. If they get thrown, if they get body slam, they know how to take it. They know how to land this is a skill. It's very much a skill.

00:16:21:07 – 00:16:51:14
I know people watching go, well, that's a bit silly. Why is that guy being thrown to the ropes and then voluntarily running back again? Yes, it is. Yes it yes, that's what. It's told you. Why are you running straight back? Okay. When you hit the rope, just stay there. Oh, no. It's all about no run back and then Ric Flair will lean over and they will voluntarily be flipped over, over shoulder and land on the back.

00:16:51:14 – 00:17:15:02
My favorite is when they put the victory close. Clothesline the knee deep below the that they ducked the clothesline, then rebound and then continue to run back. And they a clothesline again I love that that's my favorite yeah I think I think that's it with wrestling it's it's like things that you watch on the TV. I always kind of compare it to like Game of Thrones or Avengers or stuff they watch on the TV.

00:17:15:02 – 00:17:34:15
That's clearly not real. But you don't sit there watching Game of Thrones going home. He's not really a fucking knight. He's not really a king. Or like, it's a fucking TV show. And I think you have to view wrestling through that sphere of it makes sense in that world for him to run back from the ropes, even though it doesn't make logical sense.

00:17:34:17 – 00:17:56:06
I never saw him. I never thought about that today. It's funny, once you break it down and think about what I need to stop the war. But why is he carried on day or night? But it would be weird if he did stop. If you're watching it now that you know and you've watched wrestling for two years, and then that has always been a main theme, that if he did stop, you'd be like, that's weird.

00:17:56:08 – 00:18:16:14
Yeah. Even though it's the most. Yeah. You know, the sensible thing to do, you kind of do buy into it. My problem I mentioned is before you count, but you said, in terms about, you know, if you approach it with the right mindset and realize it's a set pieces, a soap opera with a ring in the middle, which I appreciate, then you can enjoy it a lot more.

00:18:16:16 – 00:18:22:03
But it's weird to me how.

00:18:22:05 – 00:18:49:14
Production companies or broadcasters that they talk about it as if it's real, if the results mean something, if you just go on the Sky sports app, you used to have a wrestling button next to box in tennis, javelin or whatever it might be. And then there's like wrestling and they might match reports like they would a boxing match is that to me was like fucking mental.

00:18:49:16 – 00:19:09:09
It lives in the Swedes can make their own wrestling. Yes. Whoa. Yeah. How you can bet on the Royal Rumble when I'm certain you can. I don't know about this weekend. I don't know where my phone is. I don't know if there's betting markets on, you know, be an CM punk this weekend. You have a pre you have a predefined winner.

00:19:09:09 – 00:19:26:10
Everybody know. Does everyone know who's going to win. Not everybody. Only triple H knows really in the people part of his committee, part of his booking committee. They call it the people that sit around a table and decide where storylines go, being and who's going to win the title at WrestleMania. That's a committee that kind of decides that.

00:19:26:10 – 00:19:47:03
But triple H is generally the overall guy, says CM punk is going to beat Roman Reigns this weekend, for example. So it's kind of decided by that. But when you think about it, when there's been like whodunits on soap operas, there's been bear markets on that. What about they shot Gail? Who shot? Yeah. I that, you know, I don't know.

00:19:47:07 – 00:20:02:12
There was a shooting. Did Phil Mitchell get shot in EastEnders? I don't watch soaps. What about who who killed, in The Simpsons when he was J.R.? Like, who shot J.R.? Oh, yeah, I remember that as a kid. Yeah, yeah. Look, now, see, I don't have to be on that book yet. So what is the book? Sorry, Rick.

00:20:02:12 – 00:20:23:08
I feel like I'm asking too many questions and. No, no, no, this is this is exactly what we're here for, right? Okay. If this booking team. I'd love to be on that. So they're the ones that sort of arrange who are they? So they go right. This weekend CM punk is going to beat, you know, whoever it might be.

00:20:23:10 – 00:20:44:09
And and this is the reason why and this is how the storyline is going to be built. And they build up storylines for each people. Yeah, that's how it works. Yeah. I would be on their guide. Should we? Let's bring back Bam Bam Bigelow. Like what I think we should bring back. He's been dead. Been dead 25 years.

00:20:44:11 – 00:21:06:18
All right, I got an idea. So is it like a right for him? Like right? It's right. It's sort of. You know, what I would say to you, I think have watched it, but on Netflix, there's a show called WWE unreal May. And it goes. This is so good. This. So this is the one we've triple H in it and they show you behind the scenes.

00:21:06:20 – 00:21:31:23
Ricky, if you haven't watched this, it's honestly I would say I'm not hands down one of the most enjoyable mini series I have ever watched. And what's it called? WWE unreal. It's on Netflix. Ricky you it's from from for people like us who enjoyed wrestling in the 80s. Yeah, yeah. To the point to the modern day with how it all operates.

00:21:32:00 – 00:21:54:07
It is fucking brilliant, this documentary. I didn't anticipate anything from it at all. I was just hoping that they were never going to get to the Vince McMahon controversies, because up until that point, it's like feel good shit you'll ever see. It's like, oh my God, that was my to keep doing this bit, we talked about the same thing you're talking about different show.

00:21:54:09 – 00:22:15:03
Oh, what was that? You're talking about the Vince McMahon. I think it was just called Mr. McMahon and it was on ABC. It was honestly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fucking unbelievable because like you said, you there's bits where he's being the Mr. McMahon character and he's being this ultra misogynistic the way he would treat his Stratos on TV.

00:22:15:03 – 00:22:31:14
Right? He would make her like, do sexual stuff and kiss him and make out of. And he was like a 60 year old man he was making out with like Trish Stratus and but you weren't and you're and you're laughing. I was laughing watching it, watching the documentary. I was cracking up. But then you you're right. That was right.

00:22:31:17 – 00:22:44:15
I think it's a I think it's five episodes. And I think you get to episode five and it's about all the real life nasty shit they dumped. But. And it stops being funny. It's not. It's a bit bad because I didn't want it. I didn't want to hear any of that. I just wanted to keep doing the wrestling bit.

00:22:44:15 – 00:23:00:20
That's that was great. But the almost a point of it was about him, but I don't know, it was I can't remember there was there some sort of there was some. There's only so much he could have said or something like that. I don't know what will happen there. You got a lot of access anyway, the first four episodes that Ricky is, it's unreal.

00:23:00:22 – 00:23:20:00
I started watching it for, research for today's podcast, and. And my missus was sat next to me. Yeah. And I was like you, you said, you've got to go upstairs and do the thing on the laptop. She's like, this is so good. She's like, I can't believe how good this is. And we just sat there watching it and I was like, this is fucking brilliant.

00:23:20:01 – 00:23:44:04
It's so good. It's all like a childhood just watching it. And I was like, I just couldn't believe, some of the stuff they were saying. And like when you were saying about, like, the matches, right? Is it decided, like you saying the committee, the writers room and stuff? Is that decided there and then, or is is it like the wrestlers, the Rock and Stone cold?

00:23:44:04 – 00:24:02:22
What do these kind of choreography know what they're going to do? But no one knows the final result. And then on fight night, Vince will walk in and be like rock. At this point, what you've mapped out, you're just going to go straight into the fucking whatever The Rock's finishing move was. Yeah. And then you're going to win it.

00:24:02:22 – 00:24:32:06
People's elbow back. Yeah. Yeah, I that night, what was the one where he went? Oh, rock bottom robot. Rock. One of my favorite man of. This this is it's all fresh because I was watching Hulk Hogan against the rock class yesterday when Ricky asked me to do this part. It's like I need some inspiration. So I got all the belts out, and I was a Saturday watching Hulk Hogan Against the Rock, which is for me, is one of the best matches ever.

00:24:32:06 – 00:25:01:12
It's just unbelievable. Even they they wrestled each other for over. Yeah. So good. WrestleMania 18. Hulk Hogan's in his mid-forties. He hasn't really wrestled in a few years because he was basically running his contract at WCW. He goes to WWE, his first WrestleMania is against the Rock and they just have this fucking unbelievable match. It's so good. But generally a match like that, it something that big that will decide on the day who's going to win.

00:25:01:14 – 00:25:29:02
It'll be like Rocky, you're going over the expression is going over meaning they win. But I love the terminology. So I'm like, oh, so now I find it at that stuff. What are you with WrestleMania 18 B? Is it? I'm looking at and it's giving me stupid. Like I remember this era, the 2001, 2002. Yeah, because there's a picture of triple H holding up two belts.

00:25:29:04 – 00:25:49:05
Yeah, that was a big thing because back then again, it's all back. What happens under the belts that you just showed us? Yeah, yeah. He was undisputed champion I think for that night. Back then there was a lot of politics going into that night because a lot of people felt that Hogan and the Rock should have been the main event, because it's Hogan in the Rock, right?

00:25:49:11 – 00:26:08:06
These two huge stars. And when people talk about that, that, WrestleMania 18, now people see that as the main event Hogan in the Rock, even if it wasn't for the world title, but instead it was, I think it was triple H against Chris Jericho for the undisputed title, and that was the main event. And so that's the picture you see, but no one remembers it.

00:26:08:06 – 00:26:32:03
People remember Hogan The Rock because it was just a spectacular match and right, everybody had to follow. That. Is it. Is it true the Hogan Hulk Hogan had a bad back because he used to land on his bum constantly when he didn't finish the. Yeah. Yes that's true. Yeah. That his finisher was yeah I can't remember the name, but it wasn't East.

00:26:32:05 – 00:26:48:09
A swing on the rope and then drop on his leg. That one leg it and it is it called the atomic grip. The chest. Yes, but just electron. Yeah. Either atomic load drop his way, it's called. But yeah, just the big leg or the leg drop. It's all of them really were the worst. The worst finishing move.

00:26:48:10 – 00:27:06:13
We talking about finishing moves. The worst. The more the worst. Well, I mean, you could do anything. You could do anything. Why? You want to just jump up and down, land on your bum and your leg. That's it. Yeah. And what, what differentiate from like, the atomic leg dropped to a normal leg drop, like what? What are you.

00:27:06:15 – 00:27:24:19
How high. Right. They've just got to pretend it's more damaging because Hulk Hogan ends the fight with is so stupid. Doesn't make any sense. Makes sense in that world. You have to view it through the sphere. No. In that world, that's. That's the most damaging thing that could happen. Is him dropping that leg. No cow. I understand that, right.

00:27:24:19 – 00:27:47:07
But they don't have to be that basic. Do something else. So, you know, everyone's got to just believe just because it's me doing it like the worst finisher of all time. It's got to be the people's elbow. Stupid. It doesn't make sense. You run across the wing twice, he stops. Yeah, yeah. So this is all the momentum of running, then stops I think.

00:27:47:09 – 00:28:09:00
Does he. He takes these. He takes. Yeah. It's the elbow pad off. Yeah. Yeah. And they kick their organs in first when they take your hand over their body kick their arms. And I don't mind all that bit. It's the running and then stopping us I doesn't make any sense to me. Sorry. I remember seeing that as a teenager, because I, we didn't have sky around that time, but my mate had it, and we stay.

00:28:09:01 – 00:28:28:09
I stayed up at my mates house and watch SummerSlam 98, and it was triple H against the Rock for the Intercontinental title in a ladder match, and I hadn't seen the rocket heard of him, I hadn't seen him, and he he. Towards the end of the match, the ladder is in the middle of the ring. The Rock does the probably the softest body slam you ever see onto the ladder.

00:28:28:11 – 00:28:44:20
And then he took that elbow pad off and did the People's elbow. I thought it was fucking coolest thing I've ever seen in my life. I was like 14 years. I was like, that is unbelievable. That guy was the coolest guy ever. The Rock. He was so cool. Is it that was that the most electrifying move in sports entertainment?

00:28:44:21 – 00:29:07:06
And that's what the elbow. Right. The elbow. Yeah. That's a that's a lie. Yeah. He's a lie. What. Right. I just want to go back. So you said that 14 right. So were you at the age of 14. Were you still did you still believe that wrestling was was real or were you in the know and you still just kind of enjoyed it?

00:29:07:08 – 00:29:27:01
I think it became for me it became more interesting that it was that it was choreographed and predetermined. I think when you're a kid, you just believe that Hulk Hogan is the strongest man and he himeno warrior going to have this amazing match, right? You believe that? It's real. When I did it, and my dad, bless him, would would really feed in cheek.

00:29:27:01 – 00:29:45:23
Oh, those guys are so strong. And they did this thing once. They did this thing one time where the wrestlers had a tug of war with bodybuilders, and my dad was like, yeah, but wrestlers are really strong. They're just all juiced up. They just juiced up, they're all full of water. And the wrestlers won the thing. But then you get to be a teenager and you do think, well, this is a bit why is he running back from the ropes like that?

00:29:45:23 – 00:30:05:24
That's bad. But then but then you you learn that it's fake and then you go, okay, well what goes into that? Like this conversation now you're interested in what goes into it. And that was me at 1314 was like, okay, so what happens then? And then it just became even more became better for me that it was a bit predetermined, more interesting.

00:30:06:01 – 00:30:35:06
You just want to just get out of sync again. I just conscious of Ricky's at it, so I'll, just pop out, pop back in. Please go. Yeah.

00:30:35:08 – 00:30:53:20
That's good, actually, because I can see this breaking the waveforms. I can say that. Yeah, but it's not as good if he doesn't like the reason. It's. Get us, for example, lemons.

00:30:53:22 – 00:31:27:06
What? When I, when I was. So when I was, I can almost So when I was ten, I didn't know wrestling was fake. And I knew this was because one of the most horrifying things and I remember feeling it at the time was when I think it was Undertaker had a match with Ultimate Warrior and, pallbearer and Undertaker put Ultimate Warrior into a coffin, and they sealed the coffin and, he couldn't breathe in it.

00:31:27:12 – 00:31:47:16
And then when they managed to open up, there was like, oh, scratch and rip marks from the inside. They were doing CPR and Ultimate Warrior, and I was like, he's dead. They suffocated and killed him. This is fucking mental. They've taken it too far. It's gone too far, like I thought. And I remember panicking as a kid watching that, thinking, this is insane.

00:31:47:18 – 00:32:05:18
So at ten, I didn't know. I speaking to my daughter yesterday and she's like 14. And I said to, Dana, Dana positive cow tomorrow. And she said, oh, that that's cool. And I said, I'll do in a wrestling one. And she was, oh, that was that makes sense because he is wrestling belt to the top number eight.

00:32:05:20 – 00:32:27:16
The tricky part, right? Yeah. And I was pacing myself. He's like, yeah, yeah he did bring it. That makes complete sense because he did was completely. And then I was saying to it that we're talking about how it's, you know, fake. Now we all play along and stuff. She's like, what? What's up? What? I was like, wrestling is fake.

00:32:27:18 – 00:32:56:04
She has it. It she had no idea. Riva 17 for in oh eight Jesus Christ you. Yeah, I know the, flabby as well. Like you like Kyle said about his brothers growing up. You've got fucking 400 brothers. Yeah. Where they were they all into wrestling? Oh, like. No. Not really. When? When? One of my earliest memories of wrestling is doing the sticker books in the.

00:32:56:06 – 00:33:30:04
We love the sticker books. Yeah. And we would draw the the logos. We draw Big Boss Man's logo. It was like a badge. It was like a sheriff bag, a badge, if I remember rightly. And this, but this sticker book that we got and we completed it would be I still remember I'd love to see another copy now, but I think I had the Bret the Hitman Hart was the champion at the time, but they would have a section of six stickers where you had to collect each one, and you'd get them as the individual mosaic of the picture.

00:33:30:04 – 00:33:50:13
Then you, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, I remember and then and then the and the each one would have a shiny. So it would be like a Bret Hitman Hart logo and a shiny. So we were like obsessed with that sticker book. And so we would watch it a little bit. But not we'd never sort of I once did a razor's edge on Joe and I fought.

00:33:50:13 – 00:33:55:03
I broke his neck.

00:33:55:05 – 00:34:11:21
So I was up because the I would say we never really play for wrestling. But I remember doing that because Joe was young and I just picked him up and and just the razor's edge. For people that don't know, this is a finishing move that makes complete sense, right? I fucking and great finishing move with the leg drop.

00:34:11:21 – 00:34:34:14
It just feels a bit silly. This is they lift the wrestler up, go back to the back to back. I imagine you've gone back to back with someone and you grabbed the person behind your back, underneath his armpits and you lift them up and it looks like the Christ put on the crucifix again. Yeah. And then they lifts him up in the air, and then he lean forward and they come down to the back of their head on their neck or their shoulders.

00:34:34:18 – 00:34:50:06
I think they probably land on their shoulders, I think. And that's why you don't practice this shit at home. Kids is the. I didn't land Joe on his shoulders. I landed him on the back of his neck. I could have fucking paralyzed him. Joe, just say you're right. You're right. Joe. Joe. You're right, you're right. I'm a god.

00:34:50:06 – 00:35:10:10
No. You're crying. Stop crying. Joe crying. I gave him the razor's edge. Yeah. Not really. Wasn't big in the household. I. What I watched the reason why I watched. So my cousin Mark just had a baby, actually, because Mark, we would watch, like the Royal Rumble, which is, like, brilliant. I love the Royal Rumble when I was a kid.

00:35:10:12 – 00:35:35:07
But with with him, we're talking about the era of the ones you mentioned earlier the earthquake, typhoon, bushwhackers, and also warrior, Hulk Hogan, that sort of stuff. But then I would watch it in the Attitude ERA because I would have been how open up. And then 16. What was that about? Right. How? Because there's just loads.

00:35:35:11 – 00:35:58:05
It was loads of tits and stuff. What are you, 5044? Those tits and and it was like, fun. And it was meant was the rebellious work where we were culturally at that time. That was what, like Attitude ERA was like DC's the suck it is it suck. Yeah. Yeah, it's fucking great. Yeah. That is so that was 2 to 2 separate associate.

00:35:58:10 – 00:36:18:12
That's kind of my experience with wrestling. That's it. What were you saying about the wrestling move I remember I so I first got into it from one of my mums, ex-boyfriends. He love wrestling. He used to by the WWF wrestling magazine. Was he the one who used to hide all the porn in your room? No, it's a different one.

00:36:18:12 – 00:36:41:13
That was different. But before him, that was the one before him. Yeah. Nice. And okay. Why is there no support in my room? Yeah. The underwire ice hockey magazines. So what have they got there? And the thing is as well, right in my brain, when I was a teen, it wasn't just like, how have they got there?

00:36:41:15 – 00:36:59:05
Yeah, it's like there's porn here. I didn't even think how how did they get there? Or why were they there? How have they been placed? It was just not fuck, there's porn here was oh, I don't understand. They're just started wanking them straight away. That was it. Putting them back and that was it. What must have picked them up for fuck.

00:36:59:05 – 00:37:22:07
You know man, I can't, can't keep on the mirror. But anyway, with, my next door neighbor, my next door neighbor, and we used to wrestle and we did that thing, you know, I threw him against a pretend rope. He would bounce back. And I was trying to do that leapfrog thing. He puts his head down, I leap over him.

00:37:22:07 – 00:37:48:00
Right. And this geezer. Right, he has a head like a fucking dinosaur. It's like two bowling balls. Sellotape together. It's fucking enormous. Right. And he did the head. He was he was down. Oh, did you know what a young guy he said it was still fucking smashing. It was. It was rock hard. He's well if one of those like you throw a break up and eat it.

00:37:48:00 – 00:38:10:04
But I know what I, And he he bounce off the right round towards me, put his head down, and I went to leapfrog him. I totally missed it right. And he went straight into my dick. His head pounded against my dick. And it wasn't the ball, it was his dick. And I remember lying there and it felt like my dick had gone inside out.

00:38:10:04 – 00:38:29:07
I was in that much pain and I was like, this is fucking. This is terrible. This is not my, you know, like it got inside. How would you know that you think is gone inside that. But that's my only thought. My dick is gone inside out. That's how powerful it was. So he missed it. Fucking. Oh my God.

00:38:29:13 – 00:38:36:04
Yeah. That's brilliant. Well,

00:38:36:06 – 00:38:55:17
What was your what was your favorite finisher, though? I just we didn't answer that. No, no, I didn't answer that. Oh, you see, I noticed I used to like the summer stone cold summer was brilliant. It was. And I enjoyed it. And it was like the toe punch in the stomach that went over and then grabbed them by the neck and, like, stunning them.

00:38:55:19 – 00:39:17:16
I was a huge fan of the pedigree, mate, because I was like, that's number one. Pedigree is number one because you're holding their arms and they can't. They've got no stopping. A full human falling on their head into the ground. You know, that is just that is a move that would end people. I believe that more pedigree.

00:39:17:17 – 00:39:40:08
This phrase was held by this guy. That's our Hogan leg drop. No, the bone of contention that for me is that I found out through doing the podcast with cow during lockdown is every every fucking pricks doing it. Now everyone's doing the pedigree. Everyone's doing like it's like normal moves, so you're ruining it. You're ruining the legacy of these moves.

00:39:40:08 – 00:40:04:12
You're just doing it. You did it. Who is it? Jeff Owens Keith Owens I mean, what? Kevin Owens, Kevin Owens doing stand up tonight. This is Fat gimp. He's he's now wrestling. He's now doing like six pedigree six. He doesn't pedigree. And the stone goes out of Disney. No he does the stunner and Seth Rollins does the pedigree.

00:40:04:15 – 00:40:22:17
Shouldn't be allowed. Yeah that's yeah. Should be barred that shit. So generally they will ask permission of the person. So they would ask triple H I say triple H would you mind. You're now retired. Would you mind if I did the pedigree now. And you have to kind of get it's like part of their culture is you have to get their blessing before you sign.

00:40:22:23 – 00:40:41:07
Yeah I know yeah. So you have to get their blessing to use their citizenship. The rest of themselves come up with these moves or they have coaches that help them. They'll just what a lot of them get. Nick from Japan. To be honest, Gerry's wrestling is where a lot of this shit kind of comes from. Like CM punk does gets to go to sleep, but that's just a move.

00:40:41:07 – 00:41:02:05
He's Nick from Japan was that. That's where some on his shoulders get some on his shoulders. He throws them off and then knees them in the faces of they're on their way down. It looks really good. But he nicked it from Japan. A lot of these moves, you know, originate in Japan. The other thing about I want to say about finishing moves is what they what wrestlers will get taught when they're being trained is okay.

00:41:02:05 – 00:41:28:24
What's your finisher going to be? It has to be a move you can do on anyone. As I say, what might Henry know? What. Yeah, stunner works because he can hit that on the big show. He can hit it on The Undertaker and he can hit it on Rey Mysterio like he could do it on anybody. So whereas if you if you're doing, a finisher move, like, say, Brock Lesnar as the F5 ring picks him up and then fucking swings them around, he's strong enough that he could do that probably to anybody what he has.

00:41:28:24 – 00:41:47:19
He's done it to everybody. But even like yokozuna, well he never wrestled in B. Dude's a big show like he was 500 pounds. Why did he? I remember Kurt Angle doing the angle slam to I think that big shot. And I was like, he picked him up, but it nothing would have happened. Honestly. It was fucking the weakest thing I've ever seen.

00:41:47:20 – 00:42:08:04
No, no, but just let me ask question. He's like big show that like, I know what the Brock Lesnar movies, I know what I is somehow because that is the whole era that just skipped me by completely. But so he held the big show up on his shoulders for how long? Second half a second. Just a couple of seconds.

00:42:08:04 – 00:42:31:24
Was it all one motion? Totally. Hold him up there. He held him up there for for a second or two. Yeah, definitely. Last fight. Fair play. Strong guy. Brock Lesnar unbelievable. Unbelievable. He's mania. He's a fucking amazing. His daughter he's the what was the heart like. Looks harder than any man I've ever seen. Only Brock Lesnar. He's harder than he's lower it he he I'm I imagine getting rattled by Brock Lesnar.

00:42:31:24 – 00:42:59:00
So. He had to do it. So he must have had sex. Yeah. Nasty work. The Sable sables, his wife. What say I remember Sable. Yeah. She was in the Attitude ERA. She was like probably a bigger star as any man Sable was. She was such a big star. And Brock Lesnar married her and had all these kids of her and his.

00:42:59:00 – 00:43:26:07
Yeah, his daughter looks just like him. I was thinking, imagine getting rattled by Brock Lesnar. Thought like she's talking to this terrible. Oh, that's a sure, but she's got a boyfriend. I don't know if he's consenting to all that. Her, terrified. And he's he's got a son called Turk Lesnar. Nice fucking Turk. Lesnar. Okay, Turk. Call anything, anything, any post ice hockey.

00:43:26:07 – 00:43:53:01
You you're like, oh, nice. But I do want to say I do want to ask what before what? Because I still want to reminisce. There's just so much like old wrestlers. I want to talk about. But I do have to talk about, I don't know what is kayfabe, something like that. What is that? Kayfabe is comes from it comes from kind of the fairgrounds.

00:43:53:01 – 00:44:19:03
It's the circus. It's an expression that colonies, that's what they call them in America. Carnival people, they call them carnies because that's where wrestling originates. It comes from fairgrounds and strongman competitions and wrestling. And the kayfabe is the secret of it being pretend. And so if you're doing if you're doing now obviously everybody's in on in on the secret.

00:44:19:03 – 00:44:36:14
But now things will happen that kind of blur the lines of reality and they'll go, that's in kayfabe. They'll always try and keep the secret. Back in the day, all the good guys would travel together and all the bad guys would travel together. They wouldn't drink at the same bar. They wouldn't stay at the same hotel.

00:44:36:14 – 00:44:55:20
They would do everything separate. Because if you're if you've paid for a ticket to watch Ric Flair against Dusty Rhodes wrestled each other, and then you go out to eat and then you're having dinner together. It ruins the whole thing, doesn't it? So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you got to keep up this kind of hey hey, yeah yeah yeah.

00:44:55:20 – 00:45:25:04
Yes. So I've got a follow up question to that. How does the McMahon documentary fit in? I might I might be no, no, no. The how does the how does the story the triple H. No. He's the sort of decision making power broker at WWE. How does the documentary which shows them breaking through that kayfabe, that fourth wall and showing you exactly how it all works fit in with wrestling?

00:45:25:04 – 00:45:39:06
Now, do you know what I'm talking about? Ricky? There's a documentary where you see him making decisions again. This person is going to win and this is how it's going to work. This is how the match is going to go. It basically takes down the fourth wall literally. And I get yeah, yeah, yeah yeah I get yeah yeah yeah yeah.

00:45:39:06 – 00:46:02:16
So what is, what was yeah it was we were talking about earlier. Yes. There's two really good documentaries how I that what's the reaction been to that show. A lot of the wrestlers say I don't like this, I don't like doing it, but I don't want to do it. And CM punk was on the most recent one, and he's like, I'm going, I don't want to do this because they're taught in training school.

00:46:02:16 – 00:46:22:11
And coming up, you don't tell people it's a secret. And now, because WWE. Yeah, but to say that, yeah, it's like that only a magician would only teach the trick to another magician. Right? Someone that's in the loop, right? Yeah. Yeah. And it's the same thing. So a lot of the wrestlers now, they'll do interviews and they'll say, I don't like we don't.

00:46:22:13 – 00:46:39:03
I don't like Disney's WWE. I'm real, but I'm a I'm a contracted employee and I've got to do it. I've got to sit there and have be interviewed and talk about it. So a lot of the stuff now that that some of that, a lot of the kind of biggest storylines will end up being revealed on that show, but the storyline will play out and it will happen.

00:46:39:05 – 00:47:01:07
And then six months later, they'll do WWE unreal and go, this is what really happened. So it's great. It's cool to watch it. But even as a Fanney Khan, I felt a little bit dirty. Watch now. So yeah, this is a bit too much. Yeah, I'm seeing everything. You don't want to see how the sausage is made. They don't want to say the hey, if you're not eating it all the way, I see it because I'm not.

00:47:01:07 – 00:47:21:11
I think this is more interesting than like, the the actual wrestling. I don't like. I never it's like when we did the iPod cow and you said you got to watch some wrestling. And I was like, well, I'll get a W, I still think I'm paying for it. The WWE at All Access, I thought it was and if during the network.

00:47:21:13 – 00:47:47:15
Network. Yeah. You know. Okay. Yeah. He would still fight for it. Still paying for it. It's just, you know, I'm like, okay, and, and everything leading up to the actual wrestling itself, I'm fascinated by I think it's really interesting. Strange thing that it's so hard to explain. It's so hard to understand why it's become such a massive and not just here across the world, like you mentioned Japan.

00:47:47:15 – 00:48:12:20
And and then there's like different sort of bodies and, and wrestling throughout. It's like massively popular thing. Right? I get it. And it doesn't have to be for me. But the circus around it was, is will always be the most fascinating thing. I think it's just crazy. Yeah. What I can't understand is, I mean, like, I can and I can't understand.

00:48:12:22 – 00:48:36:24
It's the thing that. So let's take right. WrestleMania is happening this weekend. It is this weekend in it, right? Yeah. And it's happening. And it's like I think it's in a 60,000 seat stadium. Is it sellout? Well, it's sellout. Oh fucking well. Well he won't sell out I think. I think they'll do a lot of comps and or they'll drop prices.

00:48:36:24 – 00:48:59:15
Basically what's happened is WWE used to be owned by Vince McMahon and the my family. And then he had all this trouble with being a sex case, basically. And he sold the company. They did a merger with C and formed TKO, not the Saudis. They formed this company TKO with UFC, but TKO is now run by a completely separate people.

00:48:59:15 – 00:49:17:17
Vince McMahon has sold all of his stock, to sell pretty much to no to back to TKI. The Saudis that would do that was the rumor is that the Saudis had bought it like that was the rumor for a while is that the Saudis had bought it, but then eventually UFC and TKO, they ended up buying it.

00:49:17:19 – 00:49:45:11
But UFC and their model and obviously, you know, you like UFC risk that they that take the ticket prices is so high now and it's an improvement is dream going to WrestleMania and getting a front row ticket and hosting content right. The two tickets now. And I did look because it's probably one of the few things I'd love to do that I haven't done is go to watch WrestleMania in America, and I haven't done it to sit in the nosebleeds of a 60,000 stadium for one night of WrestleMania is about £300.

00:49:45:13 – 00:50:05:15
To to sit just in the fucking gods is like three, £400. It's crazy money. And if wrestling, we've just sat here and spoken about how we all got into it as kids, right? We all got into it as kids. Imagine taking your two girls to watch wrestler now. It cost you a grand at least to go and watch the wrestling for the night.

00:50:05:17 – 00:50:24:05
It's it's crazy evening when they come over here. The tickets are stupid money. So. And that's what's happened. That's why I think it might struggle to sell out this weekend. I think at time of recording it is not sold out. I think they will do it. Yeah. Really? Yeah. A lot of walk up. Surprising. I was thinking about whether or not you actually going to watch wrestling before.

00:50:24:05 – 00:50:32:21
And the answer is obviously yes you have, you must have them right at the right few times. Right. I, I've been.

00:50:32:23 – 00:51:03:02
And what if in WWE it wasn't WWE, WCW. And I'll tell you what, I haven't thought about this. I would say in 25 years it's not this memory had just literally just come to me, I, I don't even know. I have no, I've lost 25 years. I've never thought about what I'm just about to say, which so mad to me because we've talked about this before.

00:51:03:04 – 00:51:30:24
Yeah. I took my little brother Alex to watch WWE, and it was when diesel was wrestling there, and he was called The Big Sexy. Do you remember that Nash, Kevin, Kevin Nash with the I say diesel and they know you're the gym. All of them. All right. That were all right. Yeah Kevin Nash the big sexy and Alex, my little brother made a sign for himself because, you know, hold up the signs at wrestling.

00:51:30:24 – 00:51:51:11
Yeah, yeah, yeah. With Big Sexy with an arrow pointing down to him, I mean, it he would. It must have been about eight or something. Yeah. So that's why I'm sure it must have been Wembley Arena or something like that, I would imagine. Yeah. We went, I don't have any. I remember coming outside and seeing everyone's wrestling.

00:51:51:11 – 00:52:14:01
Right. That people do. You know, wrestling moves on, on the grass like kids wrestling everywhere. And I saw one kid do a tombstone on concrete to another one. Oh, my God, I think you got it wrong side screaming and that's how I get out of his. The amount of injuries that must have happened. But kids pretending to do wrestling.

00:52:14:03 – 00:52:35:22
Is there any famous stories? Keller? You know that. I'm sure it's happened in America. There's nothing. There's nothing that leaps at me in my house. Growing up, if you were standing by a sofa. Because if you were standing by a sofa, you'll get jumped over it like it's the Royal Rumble. Even now, at 40 years old, if I was to be standing by the side, if my brother saw me, he'd walk up behind me in front of me, I guess.

00:52:35:22 – 00:52:54:11
I'm glad you look at it like it would happen now to this day, like a spear. And he's been flying around everything in my house and everything was a weapon. Like. I remember my stepdad went out and bought a new. So far it was broken by the end of the day, but by the that night we'd fucking destroyed it because we just beat it.

00:52:54:13 – 00:53:21:16
We just wrestle all the time in my house all the time, and it didn't really stop until we all moved out. It's. My, my brother in law, he died at the age of 40. Him and his mate saw this package deal for New Orleans. I can't remember what it was. WrestleMania, Royal Rum or something like that. Package deal, flights, hotel ticket, all that lot.

00:53:21:18 – 00:53:42:12
And it's relatively cheap. And he said to his mates, I should we fucking do this? And they were like, you know what? Let's let's live out our childhood dream. Let's do it. And they went and they said it was absolutely amazing. But it's said one of the funniest things was you're in New Orleans, there's bars everywhere. People are walking down the road and they've got a belt on their shoulder.

00:53:42:14 – 00:53:58:11
Like everyone's into wrestling. And as soon as you see someone with a belt and you challenge them to a fight, everyone has to have a wrestling match there and there and then, then and there in the streets. So everyone's just wrestling paced up down the street and fucking mental. Sorry. I mean, I'd love to do that.

00:53:58:13 – 00:54:17:10
That's cool. A that's the role. I wouldn't fucking wrestle. But that's the rule in the community. If you have a belt and someone, someone sees you, you must defend it. I love the thing at Christmas. What is it? Is that really it's. That's the rule. That's the rule. And I've been to the wrestling and carried a belt around and you must defend it.

00:54:17:10 – 00:54:34:00
Me and my brother, like we're planning, like, okay, if I've got to defend it, this is what we're going to do. And I kind of think I'll defend it. You're going to screw this guy over, and I'm leaving my title. I what, what several. So there's a thing when you go wrestling, if you bring your belt in, someone could challenge you to it, but you must defend it.

00:54:34:02 – 00:54:56:01
What does that mean? How you must defended. What are they going to do? Because you have to have the free plans. The wrestling. Yeah, exactly. And there's no there's no methods. There's no real rationale behind it. But that's the rule. If you have the belt, you must defend it. You have to do the you know, Ricky was saying about you were saying about your your daughter saying, oh, yeah, I remember how we brought the belt to the to the to the parade.

00:54:56:01 – 00:55:19:00
We've seen two minutes of me getting off the train, taking out the Tesco bag and throwing it over my shoulder, walking down to meet you guys. Yeah, I had these 220 year olds running over to me going, oh fuck it. Oh wait, can I take a picture of that immediately? Then this old guy about a minute later. And that's the thing about Austin Belt, then Mikey Moore look me in my face and pointed like, yes, you are the coolest guy in the world.

00:55:19:06 – 00:55:44:23
I was like, yeah, who's laughing now? So what if you lived in your mom's shed? Yeah, your 16 a 16. I was so fucking proud. But it's one of those things, a wrestling belt, right? It's it's ridiculous for for a 40 year old man to own, to have this in his house. Right? Is, people love it all that.

00:55:44:23 – 00:56:01:08
Right. But when we when when we went to the parades or when we were at the cottage a couple of years ago, it was over. All of your shoulders within minutes. Yeah. As soon as I went over, as soon as you saw it, you're like, oh my God. And it was over, flower. It was even over your shoulder.

00:56:01:09 – 00:56:23:12
I'm gonna put on Instagram. People fucking loved it. They love it. It's so what you're saying every when, when we when we, when we meet up in, on June 5th, you bring your belt. Yeah. One of us challenges us to defend the belt. I have to defend it. Right? What? What if everybody in the house challenges you at the same time?

00:56:23:14 – 00:56:38:05
I'm thinking, what would we have? A six pack challenge. They call it where the six of you all have a match. And the first one to get the pin is champion. No, we. We just attack you. We share it with me. I'm fucked up, all right? We're taking your belt. You're not gonna leave it in the belt? Probably.

00:56:38:10 – 00:56:59:05
I'm gonna. I'll bring a ladder, and then we'll just hop in the ceiling, which is? Hang the belt. I've got some luminescent things in the garage. Actually, we, what they call the lights that we can smash over each other's heads. Yeah, that was fucking meant. Well, no, I just we haven't touched on this, but I want to chat about it in wrestling.

00:56:59:05 – 00:57:28:16
Right? So obviously, when we were younger, big boss man, ultimate warrior, like proper, just normal pro wrestling and the kind of, athleticism of earthquake. Typhoon. It's just like big, burly men. And as we got through the year, then more like super athletes, right? And then it got to a stage where I was watching wrestling and someone would get a chair on the edge, and there was a bit of blood and that was fine.

00:57:28:18 – 00:57:54:09
Then it was like slamming people on a fucking table of drawing pins people's head to a proper split open like mental stuff. How does that work? What? What the fuck is going on? Are they actually doing that stuff? Yeah, yeah. Back. Not more blood. Now they're bleeding. Real blood. They call it bleeding. So they will. They'll taper. Little piece of razor blade.

00:57:54:11 – 00:58:07:17
They'll cut a little tiny little tiny little piece of razor bite and they'll tape it to some people used to keep it in their mouth. They would just keep it in their mouth and whip it out. Yeah, like a new Jack. You remember the Dark Side of the ring episode of new Jack on it? That it was nuts.

00:58:07:20 – 00:58:22:02
Yeah. Or they tape it to their wrist. They just tape it to the rest of them. When the time comes, they would take the chair shot and then go down, and then they would cut with the hairline. They always cut with the hairline because they don't want the scar to show. So it would go with the hairline.

00:58:22:04 – 00:58:39:03
And it's just there. Yeah. They would just do a little neck. The blood would come down and that's enough and that's enough. And then you look at guys like Dusty Rhodes, the old school guys, Dusty Rhodes or Ric Flair. They fucking hairline just covered in cost. Just loads of scars that once they've lost their hair, it's just covered in scars.

00:58:39:05 – 00:58:57:21
And they were actually fucking bleeding themselves to get that blood. That is that's if they if they bled, if it happened by accident, they call that the hard way. Yeah I would say he got he got busted open and he bleeding the hard way. As in it just happened for real. He got hit with that chair and the little point of the chairs came and cut him.

00:58:57:21 – 00:59:25:09
And they call that the hard way? Fucking hell, that is mental. And like, how can another human, like, voluntarily, like full on, like loads of drawing pins and stuff, like, what is it, the, you know, the sword, the most iconic kind of, match for its brutality, I think. Was it was it Undertaker and Kane? Hell in a cell.

00:59:25:11 – 00:59:44:10
Yeah, but that Undertaker and mankind I had in the cell. Oh, okay. Right, right. It was the at the cottage last time, Alex, after Alex had finished in watching vines, he wanted to start wrestling and we watched. We watched Undertaker against mankind at Hell in the cell. I think, I think for people that perhaps there is definitely some, like, essential viewing.

00:59:44:10 – 01:00:01:17
I'd say for people that perhaps haven't watched wrestling for a while and are interested in it, is to watch that match Undertaker against mankind and all this on Netflix now it's all a Netflix Undertaker against Mankind at King of the ring 1998. And then you got Dark Side of the ring. Those that those you can watch, those don't think they're on Netflix.

01:00:01:17 – 01:00:24:07
I'm not sure whether they're on vice, and I think on YouTube and stuff. And then you've got all the kind of Netflix documentaries, but yeah, that matches where Undertaker throws mankind off the top of the cell. He lands on the table just unbelievable. Unbelievable match. Like falling from that height is like, I don't know man. That's like, no, but how can you how can you do that?

01:00:24:09 – 01:00:48:02
They don't. I mean, he did hurt himself, didn't he? Now it's a lot safer. I think they did it two different. Yeah. He's two. Went through his lip into his nose. Yeah. He just they just did it. Was willing to get fucked up for the thing. It's not like he's. Yeah. It was his idea. He's he walked into the arena that night and said I'm starting the match on the top of the cell.

01:00:48:04 – 01:00:59:00
And they all try to talk him out of it. And he goes, no, no, no, we're we're starting on the top of the cell. And he just walked out. And I'm not sure the Undertaker even knew he was going to do it. He walked. He's mentally and his music comes on. He walks out and he climbs to the top of the cell.

01:00:59:06 – 01:01:13:11
So Undertaker has no choice but to climb to the top of the cell with him. He has to, because that's how the that's the match. So. And then it starts. And then they they call it, they call it on the fly is what they call it. They just go right to the rock. I do this to me right now.

01:01:13:11 – 01:01:30:04
Throw me off, fight me onto the table. And the thing about that, how long after it started, did it? Did he? For how long? From starting to two minutes. Oh, well, so he he's injured himself really badly within two minutes of the fight starting. You could have stopped the match right there and it had been fine. But then the fuckers carried on didn't they.

01:01:30:06 – 01:01:44:14
Like. Unbelievable. It gets back up there afterwards. I don't want to spoil it for people if they want to watch it. But he carries on after that. And I think I always say about that, that match and that moment where Undertaker basic grabbed him by his, by the scruff of his neck and his trousers and just slings him off.

01:01:44:16 – 01:02:03:11
Is the landing on the table is perfection. It's it's perfect. He lands in the perfect spot where it's still going to fucking hurt, but it could have been a lot worse if he go. If he goes half a centimeter back, he lands on that kind of the reach of the table where he. Yeah, it's that crisp which Chris Brown wanted to himself relied on.

01:02:03:11 – 01:02:23:05
The Richard table really fucked himself up. Or if he'd have been a couple of inches forward, he probably misses the table completely and just hits the floor. It was perfect. Absolutely perfect landing. Do you remember the one we have? It always fascinated me. Rick. You remember him? He fits one son, Shane McMahon. Shane. Yeah, yeah. And what was he doing in there?

01:02:23:07 – 01:02:45:16
Shane Shane was Shane's his father's son, but is clearly like you could see the way he moved, the way he ran. It wasn't, like, well crafted in. He was. He wasn't he always like this little fucking neat as well of like the, the father son. And his thing was punching wasn't it. His thing was punching, which is always a problem, you know, you can't do if you think punching.

01:02:45:18 – 01:03:02:03
Yeah. But it didn't he take a really bad for what. He's on his back because he tried to throw him through Kurt Angle to how he did. It was Kurt Angle tried to frame through glass I think he didn't break and he just hit the glass or the or the perspex and he just fell on his head. Yeah, yeah.

01:03:02:03 – 01:03:16:15
Oh really? Oh yeah. He throws him. He lands on his head. He throws him again. He lands on his head. The glass just doesn't break. And I think he throws him the third time and he goes straight through the glass. But Shane's his father's son. He's inherited genetically. He inherited the genetics from him because Vincent was not an athlete.

01:03:16:15 – 01:03:34:15
It's all he was a he had no coordination. Shane's exactly the same. Yeah. And but he's Vince, his Vince. His thing was always. I would never ask you to do something I won't do myself. That was what he always used to say. So if I if you're going to fall off the cell off fall off the cell, when Shawn Michaels would do the zip line and zip line into the ring.

01:03:34:15 – 01:03:50:17
When he did that at WrestleMania, Vince did it. That day. He did it first. He would always used to say, I'm not going to ask you to do something I won't do myself. I wouldn't be enough for me, though. Just because you're doing it doesn't mean it's a good idea. All right? I just I was like, this is I'm not.

01:03:50:19 – 01:04:11:02
That isn't enough. Sorry, Vince. Look, I'd only do things. You could be an idiot. You could be a psychopath. You could be any of these things. I'm not. You're willing to do it anyway. It would have been so much coercion and influence that wrestlers have to do things they don't want to do, and imagine. You see where to to finish on this.

01:04:11:04 – 01:04:32:23
I think the I've got a game as well that I want to play just before we finish. Right. Okay. I sent over a build your own wrestler. Oh, yeah. Did you do a review? Do it. Well, build your own wrestler. In your WhatsApp. I've got the YouTube video. The play. That wasn't what I asked. What was talking about?

01:04:32:23 – 01:05:03:11
That the in the WhatsApp I sent you build your own wrestler. Yeah, I did it, I did it, yeah, sorry, I did it. I was confused for a second I did it. Yep. Okay. That's fine. Well, I'll, I'll go first for mine while you talk about doing yours. No, I've done it. So, I've said this before, but I've said this in the, I don't know how this happened, that today we were talking about in the, patron discord group, and, I've always wanted to be, well, my wrestling name, Ace of Spades.

01:05:03:13 – 01:05:26:06
Nice. My outfit is all black or black. PBKs I want the black elbows. Black, like up to the black boots. Up to the knees, black pants. And I think that that's it. And then on the front of my pants, I want the ace of spades on there as well. I feel like I've seen that or something similar, but I see someone, someone did a ChatGPT.

01:05:26:10 – 01:05:47:09
Oh, that's it, I posted it. That's what I see. Yeah, sorry. Obviously the entrance music has got to be. My head's the ace of spades. It's a lot of running in. There's a lot of pitch black. I think you just said no. No. And then it goes down and the lights come on. Just the ace. And then me just running full pelt into the rig.

01:05:47:11 – 01:06:07:23
I fucking love that. My finishing move would be called the Royal Flush. I didn't quite know what I would do, though. I think it would be like a five piece, like a royal flush. I think it would be like a ten jack, queen, king, ace. But, you know, like, if you were to do the pedigree now, it should be called the black Jack.

01:06:07:23 – 01:06:27:12
The ten should be good. The British movie should be called The Black Jack, I think. Right. Okay. Well, the black Jack. Because there's a jack in spades. There's no. Does that make any sense? Is it? It's not. It's just that I. I'll think about all the cards. No, no. You're fine. You fine. Royal flush is fine. Royal flush.

01:06:27:12 – 01:06:55:10
And then, what about, the witch call it the catch phrase. And I was like, that's where I got stuck. I don't have anything a catch phrase for it. No. Did you bring a spade into the, like the spade like a that shuffle, shuffle, shuffle. That could be part of it, actually. The shuffle. An ace logo on it.

01:06:55:12 – 01:07:17:18
Yeah. Or. Yeah. Does your manager carry. There's your manager use it and your bad guy. And that's how you win matches is the manager gives you the spade and you know and you're finishing move. You finish in the end. You pull from your from your your wrist a nice a spade cards and flick it them. Yeah. Calling card.

01:07:17:20 – 01:07:44:04
Yeah yeah yeah. Oh that's good. That's. Yeah I'm taking that I actually I didn't think about manager I can I just get like who is that guy. He's. It was Jimmy man for the South. Was that his name? But the mega-fight the beef Jimmy won him out for the South. Beefheart or something? Beefheart. Beefheart there, there was a lot going on there, but you've mixed up a lot of different people and like all wrestlers,

01:07:44:06 – 01:08:02:18
Well, there's there's this Alf, Jimmy Hart who should be heart of the Hart family. He's not part of the Hart family, really. But was the manager from some time? I think he was. Yeah, he was when the Heart Foundation was a thing, you had, Jim the anvil? Yep. Knight Hart and Bret Hitman Hart and. Yeah, Jimmy Hart was the manager for a bit.

01:08:02:18 – 01:08:22:06
Yeah, an anvil wasn't a part of the heart for me, because the Hart family's like a yes. He is part of the family, but he's like cousin money or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember that the there was a, there was a group called, there was a tag team called the Lesbians. Yes. Yes, vaguely. Yes. Was it really?

01:08:22:11 – 01:08:48:24
Yeah. Yeah, I think it was a short lived gimmick, but it was I mean, there's a picture of them in the ring there. Just so you girls walk in. The lesbians. I don't remember that cow. You'll remember I got they had some batshit stuff in the early 2000. There was this online thing where one of the referees, his name was Timmy White, and he was a referee.

01:08:48:24 – 01:09:05:24
And every there was like, this is in the early days of the internet, where kind of like web shows were a thing. And every day, every week he would try to kill himself in a different way. And he'd fail. And it was just to make him look stupid. He'd put the exhaust pipe in his car. I try to hang yourself in, the rope would snap, and that was it.

01:09:05:24 – 01:09:23:12
Every week it was worse on TV. What was just on the web? It was on the WWE website. Who was it was trying to kill him. Tim White, Tim White, he's a referee and every week he would fail at killing himself. And that was a part of a wrestling storyline. So, I've just sent you, a WhatsApp of the the lesbians.

01:09:23:14 – 01:09:43:17
So funny. As well, what would your, what would your, wrestler be then? Prince Albert two just be the second. Just be the second. Prince Albert. Your name would be the Prince Albert T yeah, because there's already been one. Okay. And I'm just. Is it really? Yeah. I would just take I would take his name.

01:09:43:20 – 01:10:01:23
I would just take his name. Yeah. Just take it. What are you gonna do? Prince Albert two is my name. You. You've got to ask. You go ask Prince Albert. Ask permission. Permission. No, it's not. It's not his name, is it? It's two. I put two on the end. His new name? Okay. Anyway, Prince Albert two is it?

01:10:01:23 – 01:10:20:00
Two is in the number two, I know. Number two. Number two. How much? I never say I, I fuck. What was next question? Outfit. Outfit. Same outfit, Prince Albert. Same outfit. I think. Used more of like it was a gimp outfit. I think the other, like, sort of it was sort of, you know, with the rings, I'm like demolition.

01:10:20:00 – 01:10:43:22
You remember demolition, in fact. Forget that. Oh, the demolition. Okay. Or the tough, the demolition. You just be a Malaysian. You just remember demolition. They looked like S&M people. Yeah. Yeah, they were. They were lots of leather. Lots of little spikes, rings. And they had facepaint. They had, like, kind of like punk. Okay. White face paint. Yeah.

01:10:44:03 – 01:11:04:15
They were look kind of like kiss. Yes, a bit like that. Like a bit like that. Right. Fucking. Oh that is, that is a memory. Jesus Christ. And it's topical because they're going into the Hall of Fame this year. They're going to the WWE Hall of Fame this year. Demolition all but a but there was a guy, who was in it and he had a perfect head of hair.

01:11:04:15 – 01:11:28:22
Despite it was it was ax. Yeah. There was ax smash. And then crush joined for a short time. Yeah. So it didn't make any sense because you had these the demolition, it literally looked like they could be gimps or like, like it left big. So big in the game gay scene. But one of them had a perfectly crafted head of hair that doesn't fit at all.

01:11:28:23 – 01:11:55:01
It was like hair your dad might have. If you have hair. And then this is a wrestler called ax, but he's just got this really well-groomed head of hair. It was, it was strange. Yeah, I'd have those, but yeah, but my, And it. Yeah. Gone. I would have, like, a penis. It's like a extension thing.

01:11:55:03 – 01:12:11:17
So people look that don't go. Is that real or not? No, it wouldn't be out, but it'd be packed. Like, I love a massive. Oh, that would be, like, pile gimmick. Oh. So it would look like you've just got a massive gong in your hair, right? Okay. Right. There they are. Yeah, yeah. And and then, it would bring the ruckus by.

01:12:11:17 – 01:12:35:17
What are you saying? Nice. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And, finishing move would be called the Prince Albert to. Right. Okay. This is t I like it. And what what is that? You can do it on anyone. Yeah, I think borderline could do it on everyone. I think it's okay. It's a standard. I'll tell you what it is.

01:12:35:19 – 01:12:53:04
It is. I can't remember the name of the thing where you. It's like a tombstone, but it ain't a tombstone. You put them in the pile. Driver. Okay. Okay. But, yeah, it's reverse. So they're cock. My cock is in their faces. I pile drive them and their cocks in my faces as they get powder. Driver okay.

01:12:53:04 – 01:13:14:19
So 2 to 2 cocks t cocks. Right. And have you got a name for it? Is can just go. Two cocks, two cocks, two. Good, good. Gentlemen. Oh it's too cool. It's like a mid 69.

01:13:14:21 – 01:13:39:01
Nobody's ever kicked. That's right. If you, if you, if you look at it that angle, it's like a 69 bit midair isn't it. Right. Yeah. Yeah yeah. Oh lovely. Lovely. Yeah. That's it. That's all I got. And if you've got any, catchphrases or anything, even Prince Albert. Yeah, yeah. Thanks. Thanks, everyone. That's what it. That would be it.

01:13:39:03 – 01:13:55:09
Thanks, everyone. Oh, everybody. Thanks, everyone. Cheers, everyone. Thank you.

01:13:55:11 – 01:14:15:05
Cat, what would you what would you. Hey. Think I can follow that? He doesn't want to be honest, but would you dress up as a kid? Would you try the, Oh. Ultimate warrior laces around your arms? I used to do that. I had to, I've still got them upstairs in the loft. Actually, my my, I don't know why my mate gave him to me, but he did give them to me.

01:14:15:05 – 01:14:34:21
I've got Bret Hart sunglasses upstairs in the loft somewhere. Yeah. Oh, no. It's, And I've got of rock's, elbow pad. I've got one of those, I've got a man kind of Mr. Socko. That sock with the drawing on it. Oh, yes. Yeah, I've got one of those, Again. Oh, some. Somewhere upstairs in the loft.

01:14:34:23 – 01:15:00:12
All the cool shirts up there. But I, I have a slight advantage on this topic because I played the video games for a long time and would make my own wrestlers, and me and my mates would make make our wrestlers into our 30s. So. For. You still do it there. You have you got a WrestleMania game on your five iron?

01:15:00:17 – 01:15:20:14
Yes, I've got WWE two K 24 I haven't. I did get the new one, but I've only played. I see that the new new ones just come out. I haven't played the last two, but I did say, to see how if it's fake, how is it competitive in a game since it's different world, isn't it Israel in that sense, because they're not.

01:15:20:14 – 01:15:38:05
Actually, there's no worrying of trying to hurt each other because it's how they build the storylines. If they don't know what it doesn't matter. Yeah, there's all preloaded kind of storylines on that. But I used, so my, my Twitter handle on all of that is what my wrestling name was. So when we were growing up. Oh, yeah.

01:15:38:07 – 01:15:54:15
It's so childish and pathetic. Well, it's kind of an internet of things now. I've never been able to think of a new internet handle, and I just don't fucking care anymore, to be honest. No. So we, me and my mates, we used to play the video games and we loved watching wrestling and did a lot of that.

01:15:54:15 – 01:16:09:00
And when we play the video games, we make our own little faction. Right? And our little faction was called the Bear Circle. That's what it was called, right? The three of us, 3 or 4 of us, would call ourselves the bear. So hence PC at the start of PC, the grass. Right. So that yes, this is excuses.

01:16:09:00 – 01:16:31:01
I've never spoke about this on podcast before. So we would all call ourselves the Bear Circle. Right. And the Grand slam in wrestling is. So if you win the WWF title, the Intercontinental title, and the tag team titles, you've done the Grand Slam. That's what that gave, I call it right. They call it a career Grand Slam is what they call it.

01:16:31:05 – 01:16:51:08
So when I would make my wrestler, I'd call him the Grand Slam. That's what I'd call him. But and we, we called our little faction the bass. So when I started going on the internet forums, I just called to slam that. Was it. Right? Lovely. I've never. I've never known that I assumed your handle would be wrestling related, but yeah, I didn't know any of that.

01:16:51:10 – 01:17:15:18
So you'd be called. Would you be called the Grand Slam? What would your outfit be? I used to, when I think the last time I made the wrestler on the game, he wore, like, a white t shirt, and it had bc on it in, like, gothic writing. Fuck you for, I can see you laughing. He would wear little fingerless gloves like white fingerless gloves, black elbow pads, but white tights with black chaps over them.

01:17:15:20 – 01:17:33:11
And the sunglasses. And this is the best bit. He would have gray cornrows. What? What what was I think he I used to nick. He's kind of like the rock bottom, but it was called the book and it was Booker T's finisher. It's pretty similar, actually. And I used to use that, and I used to use the Sweet Chin Music.

01:17:33:11 – 01:17:58:11
Shawn Michaels switching music as well. That's fucking great. I used to love the superkick. I used to love that. That was the one actually. When you when you were saying earlier about finishing move, just getting used. Just like set up moves or just standard moves. The super kick went from being Shawn Michaels, putting down The Undertaker with the Sweet Chin Music to The Young Bucks, who are a tag team, and just doing 20 of them a match or a new show.

01:17:58:11 – 01:18:23:18
Now the Usos, they just do superkicks all the time. They should be banned. Should be banned. Yeah. They just they they they'd spam. They would just spam superkicks these guys in wrestlers and just shit. And it was the effect of the move. If it is like their finisher and they take it and they and it has to finish with that then or I kind of see that, but just for it to put him in a normal move, set, I don't know.

01:18:23:20 – 01:18:28:01
Shoemakers are the best, best music.

01:18:28:03 – 01:18:56:06
Sexy. But but just how it is. Just how easy start. I think. Is it something like, oh. Okay. Oh, I think I think I'm sexy. No, I'm sexy. I got the move. The. It's like it goes wide or something. It's a banger. He's. He was like, when we were kids. He was the best. He was like, in terms of, like, you always knew when he was on it.

01:18:56:06 – 01:19:18:00
He was like, this is going to be so much fun. But when he came down the zip zip code, like doing these dancing and shit like that, I always thought it's because he was smaller than the others as well. It felt a bit more. He was your favorite, like growing up. Oh, but yeah, yeah, I think I think I would have probably said, how do you know Hulk Hogan?

01:19:18:00 – 01:19:40:14
Joe? Oh, the Warriors considered to be rubbish at wrestling, I know that is. He told me that it was all charisma. It was all show rather than the actual wrestling itself with strength tests. The gorilla. Yet he, his interviews. When you look back now, when people post them like he looks like drugged off his head, it's fucking mental.

01:19:40:14 – 01:19:58:11
So I can I get that I yeah, I get that, he's your, who's your favorite cow? I loved Hulk Hogan when I was a kid. And then when I was a teenager, it was a rock. I fought the fucking coolest guy. But then when the when the Hulk Hogan went to the NWA and he went bad after, he was cool all over again.

01:19:58:11 – 01:20:21:05
But yeah, it was one of those two, I'd say, I can. Well, he's yours, right? Hulk Hogan? Yeah, Hulk Hogan then I'd probably say the Rock after. Okay. Yeah. Couldn't I play my game now? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Fuck, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. It's dead or alive. Okay. All right. Oh, fuck. All these wrestlers dead, or are they alive?

01:20:21:07 – 01:20:47:05
Right. Okay. See how many you can get ready? All right, we start off easy. Eddie Guerrero is dead in a cow. You need to play a long. Oh, I guess he knows, cause he was sort of in the audience. Sorry. Yes. Fucking dead. That's correct. Correct. Vader. I don't even know who that is, but I'm gonna say dead.

01:20:47:07 – 01:21:17:11
He's dead? Yeah. Is that okay? Giant Gonzalez. I don't know who that is, but he's. He's giant. Yeah. So one would think that it's, taxing on his giant body and lungs and kidney and liver. He's dead. Yeah. He's dead. You're right. China. Yeah. Okay. Oh, bless her, she's. I do know she is. Brown bread. Yeah. She's dead.

01:21:17:13 – 01:21:52:14
Brian Christopher Lawlor. Oh, yeah. That that is he. Yeah. Brian Pillman I don't know who that is. Darren. Pills. What is it that he did? Yeah. He's dead. Okay, well, Bobby. Bobby and we. Ian I think Bobby. Ian's alive, isn't it, though? He's dead in the rock. Brian Armstrong, that's dog. He's alive. Yeah. Right. Is it right I loved right?

01:21:52:14 – 01:22:12:08
That's the road dog. Just. Yeah. No. Do the New Age laws intro right now. But you could do it right now. No, it's Brad Armstrong. Brad. Oh, that's his dad, I think. I think he did it. Yeah. He's dead. Yeah. Big Dick Dudley, Jim Brim, and he was in it for five minutes, but he's pretty short.

01:22:12:08 – 01:22:39:06
Pretty sure he's dead. Did you see the Dudley Brothers? He was their dad. Okay. Bam bam Bigelow. Is that. Yeah. Big Bossman did that. Is he gets Big Daddy V yeah. Okay. Yeah. That definitely this. All right. Yeah, I think that's Big Daddy. Yeah yeah yeah. He's dead as well. Yeah. He's dead. There's a lot of dead wrestlers since he is alive.

01:22:39:06 – 01:22:56:18
And really, because they're all fucking dead. Andre the Giant, he's played well with that. It's been dead for years. Yeah. Okay. That's the end of the game. Yeah.

01:22:56:20 – 01:23:20:03
It's, theory. There you go. Okay. I think we'll end it. That make this still say watch. We do part two. That's about it. For part two. Yeah, we will have to do a party. Absolutely. Right. We do have a something only you know, and it is called Grim Slim Jim. The topic for next week is the death of privacy.

01:23:20:07 – 01:23:47:20
So this topic was suggested by a listener. I'll read his email out next week when we go into it, but it's around parasocial relationships. Our influencers, our friends. Should content creators be given the same respect as famous people posting updates of your life online and everyone knowing your business? And are we turning into a big bunch of gossips?

01:23:47:22 – 01:24:08:06
I remember like this is literally last week someone post. I got to be really fucking careful what I say, right? But someone posted something on Facebook. I mean, they went straight into the WhatsApp group of friends chat and I was like, wait, have you seen what they've done? That's not you know, and it's like that pure gossip stuff.

01:24:08:06 – 01:24:28:05
But this is not about privacy at all. No, not in all. Great. All right. Right. I was too much the Goonies was on there. Yeah, well, on on Facebook or something. Yeah. Someone posted something on Facebook, I can't go. No, no, I mean, you like, fuck. Have you seen that that happened. That I love that that doesn't look like their their partner.

01:24:28:05 – 01:24:47:19
What's happened? Air. The privacy. Do I know you? I know you kind of. You don't want. You definitely don't never want it to happen to you. But when it's happening, it's not so fascinating. Yeah. It's good. I'm all over this. Yeah. Let's screen grab it. And. Yeah. And then you find yourself back on their timeline to 2019.

01:24:47:22 – 01:25:12:12
See when the last time they uploaded them. And there, you know, it's just it's mad world out there. But anyway, that's what we're going to be talking about next week. But now we are going to go into something 90, you know, something I need, you know. Have you got the famous and that's it and that's it. So it's been about eight yet.

01:25:12:14 – 01:25:35:16
What's sir. Oh the fucking Tory just turned up at the front door trying to get my vote for that. Should have done a wrestling move on him to do the things I do. The thing is, you can't. I wanted to say what he said about Chris Brown was like, all you've got to do is here, Chris. Chris Brown was entrance music, and, you know, he's a what was it in the da da da da da da.

01:25:35:17 – 01:26:04:09
It's like he's coming to kill you. Coming to do. But you might finish me. What do you what have you set up? Moves was just a diving headbutt off the top rope. Yeah, yeah. He's didn't, my big. I used to. Yeah. Used to do that when you mention the. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking mental my man. It's like bam bam Bigelow I like he's like he's flame leotard yeah yeah I yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

01:26:04:11 – 01:26:23:10
What a fucking gosh shit. I need to do this or something I need I sorry. So I spent about eight years ago now, I decided I wanted to take the wife and kids, sister, brother in law and the nephews and niece to the Dodgers game. So we loaded up the cars, and that's when my favorite niece should question that at the time.

01:26:23:12 – 01:26:45:06
Gave me a joint. Slim Jim, if you don't know what that is, it's a meat stick that Macho man used to advertise. I was pretty apprehensive when I saw it, but I said fuck it and ate the greasy beast. We got to the stadium a beautiful evening in Los Angeles, grab my beer and hot dog, and was and was like, play ball.

01:26:45:08 – 01:27:08:15
Everything was going great. The Dodgers were winning. But in the third inning, my stomach began to rumble. No biggie. It went away. But in the fourth it came back with a vengeance. So I grabbed my son and off to the restroom I win. Usually the line crapper is sure not today. Waiting in pure agony till I was second in line, a kind man said, you got your boy with you.

01:27:08:17 – 01:27:30:08
Go ahead. I said, thank you, but it was too late. This is now a salvage mission. Thank God. The boxer briefs they kept, most of it contained the fucking house. So far. So I'm still trying my best to clean myself up. Why couldn't dude wipes existed? I didn't even know they existed. Now I know what you're talking about.

01:27:30:10 – 01:27:51:16
I I'm wet, but mainly, yeah, I did what I could and left the shitty boxes behind in the toilet. Left the store, wash my hands and went back to my seat. Now I'm sure the stinky guy, I'm the stinky guy in the game, but who cares? The game's going great. Everyone's having a good time. Wait, there's another rumble.

01:27:51:18 – 01:28:11:16
Fuck! I need to go back to the restrooms. They can't be busy again, can I? Wrong again. I call my wife to tell her I'm leaving the stadium. So I'm going to find that I'm going to fight a bush to shit. That's a mental decision by the right. Well, that didn't work. There were people everywhere and I had nowhere to hide.

01:28:11:18 – 01:28:34:18
So just a duck walking my ass back to the car. I would walk a few yards, shit myself, walk a few more yards, shit myself again until I reached the car. Luckily, in the back of the car I had a blanket and a towel. I dropped my brand new five ones in the ground. I did what I could with my towel and wrapped myself up with a blanket and waited for the family.

01:28:34:20 – 01:28:53:23
When they got back to the car, my sister in law was kind enough to offer to drive, but I told her I was good. Everything is functional except from my butthole and away we go again. That's another mental decision. If you've just shit yourself like 3 or 4 times and you decide you still want to be the driver, you're fucking mad.

01:28:54:00 – 01:29:18:22
So we're heading down the road in an awkward silence. Luckily there was no traffic and we are cruising. I see my exit and the rumble returned again. Fuck. I'm standing and driving just looking for a place to go. I pulled into a parking lot, jumped out the car and just let loose in the park. I finished my business, left my socks behind and finished the drive home.

01:29:18:24 – 01:29:40:13
I was at the house. I was down to just my tee shirt. I told my family good night and I hit the shower. That's why I don't eat Slim Jims anymore. And that's something only myself, my wife's side of the family, and some like minded friends. No one was a. Let me see a Slim Jim. I don't know.

01:29:40:15 – 01:30:03:14
I assumed, like a pepper on me. Yeah. Massive. Because he's American. Jim a macho man. And he. Oh, yeah, they are. They look exactly like. Like pepperonis. Pepperoni. Yeah. Pepperoni. Me, I love them, dude. I've never eat my. Yeah. My life. Never had a pepper on me. Mike got got me in the fridge at the moment.

01:30:03:16 – 01:30:22:07
Well fuck you love them but. Yeah. How many. How are you getting free. Well, they liked the mini one. So they go in the girls lunches, but they never, never end up eating them, so I'll fucking eat them. Not. It's not free to think I haven't checked my set. Maybe my stomach issues are related to. There is this thing.

01:30:22:13 – 01:30:44:24
There was 600 calories per pepperoni. That's why I have the little, little short one. Like a little finger. I'm joking. I'm gonna check. I was going to say fucking action. Look, I know I was, I panicked, and that's like the kick check what it is. That's the end of that. Anonymous. And before I count, is there anything that you want to promote?

01:30:45:01 – 01:31:07:23
Any social channels, why you came out. You did it all at the start. But thank you so much. Yeah. Below the belt, the yellow logo with the red font. Try to record. I've done like four in, like, the last ten days. I'm quite proud of myself because fuck it, if there's not, if there's not, if there's no boxing on it, it's hard for me to motivate myself, if I'm honest.

01:31:07:23 – 01:31:29:05
But I've been really on it lately and at a good variety, I guess. Flags on sometimes. And then I'll have a lot of kind of boxing writers on there, all so smart and so knowledgeable. But there's also me that just saying terrible things and bringing the worst out of them as well. So yeah, just really, you know, if we can, if we can double the listenership that this year, that's the, you know, let's get the 55 then I'll be I'll be buzzing.

01:31:29:07 – 01:31:49:18
Yeah. So, follow the pod on Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcast below the belt podcast and follow him on social to the topic for next week is, privacy. Thank you very much for joining us. And until next week. We'll see you then. Bye bye.

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I seem to remember it's rare that you were in go with a collapsed coal on top of you, and you're wearing a Mexican wrestling mask.

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Do you think that maybe was in the kitchen? And he's like, fuck, how to pay? Knows? And the guy's gone. We've we've got some of those over there, those green ones a little bit more punchy, but let's just throw them on there. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Right. Had to pay. No. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah.

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I don't know what that is.

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Right. I thought that might be. Well, what what what is it? To clarify.

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How do you, How do you find these programs? Define them. Is it like. Yeah. I mean, that is that is the thing. There's a lot of people like that, that clip it up because, look at them. It's it's funny.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I saw a clip, and I think it's from that program where two people and they the the date and the communication is extremely awkward. Yeah. And then they're like, oh, shall we? I guess we should kiss. And then they had like a, a peck on the lips and they were walking away. But they were talking about it as like they were on walking on clouds, like they were on cloud nine.

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These white guy.

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Right. Yeah. You know, cooked.

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Oh, my gosh, I don't know how you survived.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, yeah. What what was the conversation about it? Right.

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Oh.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay, tell him what I've secretive. If he didn't have a.

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Dairy Ray.

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Ray.

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Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's not it's not fucking art.

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Yeah.

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Your mom has it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Right.

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Yeah. You want all your,

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Yeah. Yeah. And you.

00:17:15:20 – 00:17:42:14
Hello and welcome to lads anonymous. It's episode 146. I'm Ricky, he's Flav, two best mates. One main topic. We answer your life dilemmas and confessions in our feature. Something only you know. And everything remains anonymous. Always I sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast. We are doing a different type of we're not different type of recording, but it's, on a different bit of software.

00:17:42:16 – 00:17:58:22
That's the first time that we've done this, and I can hear the theme tune playing. Yeah. Hey, hey.

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Yeah, yeah yeah I know, yeah. The audio is, well, like when we've played videos before and stuff like that, and you're saying, like, I've never been able to hear it, so no no no no. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. It's a.

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Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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Yeah. For us. We might. Yeah. Lads, anon pod at gmail.com. And like, you know the follow that you send in just right. Don't listen to this.

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Yeah. Anything. Yeah yeah yeah. Sure. Yeah, yeah.

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Try and sing the tune that you want to play. Sing it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh!

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Yeah, yeah. We love voice notes.

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Think. I'd love that. I mean, I was just about to say, how are you? But I know how you're doing. But what are you drinking? Some kind of. I'm all right, actually. I'm. I'm good. Yeah, I, I just wanted to, like, some just quick bit of housekeeping. The comments from the last pod where we had the guest call from, like, the about pod.

00:20:11:10 – 00:20:37:05
And the wrestling pod have have been amazing. Thank you very much for all the emails and all the comments on the pod and all the engagement on social and stuff like that. It's been, it's been really widely received, that pod, which is great. Yeah, the rescue man.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I remember that print out a bit because I, I was laughing, you know, when you have that deep belly where it, where it's really down below it comes like guttural. I remember feeling like that afterwards. And then it was some, it just connected so quickly my mind of, you know, Stone Cold Austin. He grabs the mic.

00:21:22:13 – 00:21:51:12
And that's the bottom line, because Stone cold says so and everyone's like, yeah, 60,000 rest. You know, fans getting mad that you grab the mic like, okay, but yeah. Fucking, very good, very good. I do what I, you know, I just want to go into into something, you know, it just is a bit sad, but I want to read it out.

00:21:51:13 – 00:22:06:12
I want to I went right, okay. Yeah, yeah. Go go go go.

00:22:06:14 – 00:22:56:02
Right. Yeah yeah yeah. It it was 13 minutes of full in chat.

00:22:56:04 – 00:23:23:07
Like, it's go. Just imagine your mum like she. That's the scene that she walks into, and, she think that's what you are, that, her lasting memory of you is like, God, my son is into, like, strangulation. Prone in that, Yeah. Oh, good. Good, good. Yeah. Into the sad bit. I won't say it.

00:23:23:13 – 00:23:47:22
Well, what? You would love to know how much I appreciate both of you. I've been sitting with my grandfather with a few hours of breaks to go to sleep since Friday, the 17th of April. We were told on Thursday by the hospice nurse that he has transitioned towards the end of his 96 years. Today, Sunday the 19th, as I'm writing this, he could go today.

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He could be stubborn and wait another day or two. But we're close since the person is right there and unfortunately he's passed away. I had to drive to Virginia at 2 a.m. to meet my parents half way from North Carolina to bring my mother here to be with him. I hear a certain two British voices over the air.

00:24:08:12 – 00:24:30:10
As much as I hear a lot of other voices in front of me. Long drive on Friday and you two were there. I got some things I need to do at home, so I have another long drive today and soon another long drive here. You two will be there again. Ricky and Flav, you guys, are here, and I have no idea what you've done and continue to do for me.

00:24:30:10 – 00:24:59:00
I've rambled enough. That was just a really long, drawn out way to say thank you. Both of you. It is lovely. And, you know, my condolences to your family and 96 years, man. Like, I know it's you. I know it's you. You know, your grandpa, passing away. What? You know what a fantastic innings, man? 96 years.

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Yeah. At the time. Yeah.

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Ruined. Yeah, I just grabbed that.

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Okay. It's not. It's still happening in eight days. Yeah. As you get it, just having a little peek to see what size they are. Can I have them?

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Yeah. Fuck.

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Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I do not watch 25 years after fucking ill.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Oh bless. Fucking God. Jesus. I just wanted to read that out by it, basically. I know, it's like, obviously thinking, Flav and I, but the person who wrote that in has been a huge supporter of lads from day one. I know, believe you me, I fucking I, I, I know and during when I was sitting up patron it was the first one in and I and you know helped me you know I and I oh the technical bits and pieces and all that that so I just wanted to read it out and, you know, thank you for listening and supporting the show all the time.

00:27:34:17 – 00:27:53:04
It is, you know, you don't know how much it's appreciate. It's. Yeah, yeah. Legend. Do you have any idea what topic we're speaking about today I'm gonna hazard. Guess you have nothing.

00:27:53:06 – 00:28:21:05
No, no, someone just sent that to me. Not. Someone that's that's for that. That's completely off topic. That was, you know, the, I'm part of the Tottenham ticketing group. Some of the the admin who who is the owner of that group. I just got a DM on WhatsApp that that was it. That was it. The and I was just like, oh, okay.

00:28:21:07 – 00:28:31:00
It's come out of nowhere. That one.

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Yeah.

00:28:39:00 – 00:29:04:15
No, no, I listen to all of it. Yeah.

00:29:04:17 – 00:29:28:18
How the fuck did I not remember that? Yeah, I will, I will go back and listen. I will that's. Yeah, it's. Yeah, we're not, we're not. But it's about, privacy, social media, oversharing stuff like, the, the whole reason I wanted to do this bit right was because someone sent in an email and said, can you cover this topic?

00:29:28:22 – 00:29:51:10
And they wrote out a little story for me. Can I find the email? Can I fuck? I don't know where it is. So I'm going to be paraphrasing on behalf of this person. And my apologies. Right. He was in the pub with his mates or something like that, and they were having a discussion and someone mentioned Milton Keynes and he said, oh, my mates from Milton Keynes, and the and they were like, oh, who?

00:29:51:10 – 00:30:22:21
And then at that moment he was like, This is Ricky from lads and on site and cock. He's not really can I call him my mate? I've never met him like and he suddenly found himself in this parasocial like fuck I, I feel like we are mates. We are, we're mates. But but he was like as he wrote this in to say he mentioned me as his mate because I'm from Milton Keynes and he knows a lot about me.

00:30:22:23 – 00:30:52:00
But then he was like, you have no idea who I am or I exist.

00:30:52:02 – 00:31:25:07
Yes. Yeah, yeah. So it's it's parasocial. It's about, privacy, obviously. All of that stuff. So, I mean, like, have you ever felt like, as in, let's all start with, do you have any, parasocial relationships from your side, like this morning, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So this morning. Right. They said, I've got a few. Right.

00:31:25:07 – 00:31:47:15
So just to get the ball rolling, this morning, I found myself right. Matt Helders, drummer for Arctic Monkeys. He posted something and I did an emoji, like a laughing emoji on the story of, like what? Like, why would I even I, I've done that a few times. Like like he's going to look at his phone and be like, oh, that done the laughing emoji.

00:31:47:19 – 00:32:25:06
Maybe we should be mate. So maybe you know my name or what? Like what? Like I don't get it. Like, why have I done that a lot? But Mike Skinner before he's done the stuff and I've written oh the go or something like that. Like, not what do I think is going to happen? What do I think he's going to remember my name and or I don't know I don't know why I do these things.

00:32:25:08 – 00:32:38:23
Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

00:33:39:06 – 00:33:53:22
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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Yeah yeah.

00:33:59:20 – 00:34:05:13
Well.

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Yeah.

00:34:09:18 – 00:34:14:12
Yeah.

00:34:14:14 – 00:34:27:07
Right. What did you just say? We base nice. I did, we just become this mates.

00:34:27:09 – 00:34:43:17
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

00:34:43:19 – 00:35:14:05
I did like, and and again, this maybe this isn't, parasocial. I wouldn't put it in that ballpark, but it is in that same ballpark as, a relationship that the other person doesn't know that's happening. And I'm happy to be like, you know, this is what I, what I have done at the moment. Scrubs has a revival, and it's on, one of the streaming platforms, but I won't watch it.

00:35:14:07 – 00:35:40:14
Yeah. Yeah, they've done a new series. No, not because it's it's got great reviews. So I'm having a a rewatch of the original scrubs. Try to get my kids involved that don't give a fuck. So, yeah. So I'm rewatching it. And I love Zach Braff. Right. So I downloaded a few podcasts that he was on about 3 or 4, and they were like two hour podcast.

00:35:40:14 – 00:36:07:24
So I really know him intimately from listening to these things. And I hear him saying, oh, yeah, I grew up in, a place called, it South Orange near new Jersey, near Newark. Within seconds. I'm, I'm on Google Maps. Where is this place? Like what? Like. And I'm just searching out where he's. He lives in Los Angeles now, and I'm like, oh, right in this bit here.

00:36:08:01 – 00:36:29:07
Why is it that we do that thing? Like, do you ever find yourself doing it or am I just this weirdo that it's like people say locations it? I think it's maybe because it's America. I, I have this weird fascination with America and Americans and American culture that I just want to find out as much as possible. Or maybe it's that celebrity thing, I don't know.

00:36:29:10 – 00:36:57:01
I don't know what it is, why I do that. Do you ever do that? Right? Okay, good. I am forever trying to find out where people are from, and it's so strange.

00:36:57:03 – 00:37:09:10
Right. Okay. All right. Fine, fine, fine.

00:37:09:12 – 00:37:18:09
Wow. Really? Okay.

00:37:18:11 – 00:37:25:12
You listen to. The rest is rest is politics.

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I'm,

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Right, okay, I get. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah yeah, yeah.

00:38:14:02 – 00:38:48:14
Yeah. That. Did you find yourself on Google saying where does Alastair Campbell live? And then look around where he, he lives? If you sure you're a favorite influencer in Tesco, would you approach them? Would you make any kind of engagement as to say, I know who you are? I watch your content, not say it, but, you know, I mean, how's it going?

00:38:48:14 – 00:39:02:21
And say their name? You're right. James TV. Oh.

00:39:02:23 – 00:39:18:23
Well, James's. What are they all going to his birthday? Right. Okay. Right.

00:39:19:00 – 00:39:26:11
Yes.

00:39:26:13 – 00:39:31:02
I.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Right. Okay.

00:39:53:18 – 00:40:01:02
Oh, wow.

00:40:01:04 – 00:40:14:05
Yeah. Yeah.

00:40:14:07 – 00:40:20:08
Right. Yeah. Yeah I know. Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

00:40:20:10 – 00:40:34:06
Really?

00:40:34:08 – 00:40:40:02
Yeah.

00:40:40:04 – 00:41:28:21
Yeah. I used to see, when he lived the minute he lived on my road, like, literally a few doors down, I'd always see him, and I was always like, oh, he's in EastEnders in a, Who is it? I used to see all the time. Really fucking famous. He was in, his best mates, Nick Frost, Simon Pegg all the time.

00:41:28:23 – 00:41:33:22
Yeah.

00:41:33:24 – 00:41:39:20
Yeah.

00:41:39:22 – 00:41:51:13
Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

00:41:51:15 – 00:42:00:10
Right. Okay, here we go.

00:42:00:12 – 00:42:05:05
Yeah.

00:42:05:07 – 00:42:13:15
Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:13:17 – 00:42:34:17
That surprises me. Right. Okay.

00:42:34:19 – 00:42:56:02
I say when I go to, you know, when I go to Tottenham, obviously, yeah, I do, it's. Yeah. Yeah, I don't mind at all which woman?

00:42:56:04 – 00:43:08:24
I like do I'll actually I if it's the one I'm I am you can't, you can't say. You can't say no, you can't say.

00:43:09:01 – 00:43:39:16
Right. Okay. Let's just say she was, when she came and spoke to me, and saw me in person. She was that taken aback. It was with, like, she she put me on a celebrity pedestal like it was very, very high. No, the the should probably be. Listen to this. Yeah, yeah. Oh. And the fighting cock.

00:43:39:18 – 00:44:07:03
Yeah. Yeah. So lovely. I like I'm always incredibly grateful that anyone ever comes to talk to me. Recognizes my voice like I was. I was queuing for, the train not to get to go into the underground after the game. And I was in the queue, and everyone's facing forwards, and I'm talking to my dad, and the guy in front of me turned round and said, I knew.

00:44:07:03 – 00:44:22:07
I recognize your voice, Ricky. Love the fighting cock, blah blah, blah, blah. And I was like, that's great, amazing. And around Tottenham and stuff like that, where people, recognize me from, you know, Instagram and whatever else it might be.

00:44:22:09 – 00:44:31:10
And then there comes a point which happened on Saturday or Sunday, whenever it is that we fucking played Saturday.

00:44:31:12 – 00:44:58:07
I'm at the urinal. I've got my dick in my hand, and a guy comes up next to me. Ricky. Yep. Fine cock Lahtinen. Yeah mate. Love the podcast. Love it. And I'm just like, you know, you know, I periphery. You can say dicks can't. Yeah. Periphery. You can see dicks. Yeah, yeah. Well, I just look at him up and up and I'm just,

00:44:58:09 – 00:45:18:21
I feel incredibly vulnerable. Right. He's looking at my dick and he's like, oh, you're Ricky Fowler. Oh, is that what you got? Is it? And I'm like, as he's talking to me, I'm just trying to think of birds, like just trying to get an extra inch out fucking come on, come on. But no, it's those times I'm not.

00:45:19:02 – 00:45:48:12
I'm grateful for anyone and every interaction online, offline, whatever it might be. But the, you know, the what is the line for you like, for me? Like, if I'm going for a wee, I'm someone's like, showered, showered with me, consume my dick. I can, I can we, can I wait? And then I'll wash my hands and we go out and we do a bit.

00:45:48:14 – 00:45:58:09
Right. Okay.

00:45:58:11 – 00:46:09:04
Yeah.

00:46:09:06 – 00:46:13:24
Yeah.

00:46:14:01 – 00:46:19:21
Yeah.

00:46:19:23 – 00:46:31:09
Those nights are intense. Yeah yeah yeah.

00:46:31:11 – 00:46:38:15
Yeah yeah yeah. Oh yeah yeah.

00:46:38:17 – 00:46:50:12
Yeah.

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Yeah.

00:47:12:15 – 00:47:24:22
Yeah.

00:47:24:24 – 00:47:32:10
Yeah.

00:47:32:12 – 00:47:54:16
No no no no no no no it's I so again like at Tottenham on Saturday and like totally missed it. I was chanting in a way banging the sides of the, you know, the side of the stadium. And as I'm there chatting, chanting away, enjoying myself, having a beer, singing up, I could see it in the corner of my eye.

00:47:54:16 – 00:48:16:17
Someone was there looking up, and I'm like, well, it's thousands of people. And then I see a camera go up, and then it's like it's right in my eyeline. And I'm like, it's it's really, really hard for it not to be like, is that me or am I just panicking or am I freaking out? Or like, am I?

00:48:16:19 – 00:48:39:00
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's mental. Right? It's mental. As it turns out, it wasn't me and they sent me the photos afterwards. Right. But what I want to say is as well. And this person is, patron and, so. But I didn't know, I didn't know, I didn't know who it was. We've never had, like, an, face to face interaction.

00:48:39:00 – 00:49:02:21
And then afterwards, he's on the lower concourse and he's looking up at me, so he's pointing up at me. I don't know who it is. Is he pointing it at me? It's that camera at me. I'm fine to do this, but I don't know. Like, I don't want to be a cunt beater. I not waving like the queen down to, my loyal subject as it would.

00:49:02:23 – 00:49:44:13
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That, I mean, at the time, it didn't feel brilliant. I was like, fucking. No, this is this is on top. This is on top where, like, just get back on, like, the kind of the parasocial of we see a lot of, content creators. By the way, are you into any do you have any content creators that you're following at the moment that you quite like their stuff or.

00:49:44:15 – 00:49:56:17
Yeah, I know, I know who you're talking about. Know who you talking about? Yeah.

00:49:56:19 – 00:50:06:18
Yeah.

00:50:06:20 – 00:50:11:13
What ledge?

00:50:11:15 – 00:50:23:02
Yeah. Yeah.

00:50:23:04 – 00:50:35:08
Yeah.

00:50:35:10 – 00:50:40:16
Yeah.

00:50:40:18 – 00:51:06:01
Yeah. I mean, so that just for that, there's one person that I am quite like in their content at the moment. And he's on TikTok and he's called Charlie Beck's, and he goes in and he just does, food reviews, basically. But he is this I hate this term, like, really hate this term. And I don't really want to say it, but he's like, he's incredibly white, if that makes sense.

00:51:06:03 – 00:51:44:06
He's like this. Yeah. He's this, like, incredibly awkward dress is terribly, He asked for house wool. When he's in the restaurant, he's always tripping over and, like, very clumsy. I don't know, I don't know, but he makes me laugh, and I and I watch a lot of his videos. Because I just find him, awkwardly strange and funny, but, like, if I was to see him, like, would I have that interaction?

00:51:44:06 – 00:52:10:20
Or would I be like, yeah, I know he's very young as well. Very young, baby. Almost. But if you're listening to this, he's not actually a baby. I'm not trying to be friends with baby. I'm not trying to be friends of Charlie. I. I'm just just mentioning him. Right. But I'm saying he's got maybe I can't remember 700,000 followers on TikTok around there with content.

00:52:10:20 – 00:52:26:02
Great. Should you be treating them or should they be treated in the same realm as a celebrity? A an actor?

00:52:26:04 – 00:52:39:13
Yeah.

00:52:39:15 – 00:52:53:18
Yeah.

00:52:53:20 – 00:53:02:10
Yeah.

00:53:02:12 – 00:53:22:04
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Yeah.

00:53:22:06 – 00:53:38:06
Right. Yeah. I don't care.

00:53:38:08 – 00:53:51:00
Yeah.

00:53:51:02 – 00:54:04:14
No. Yeah.

00:54:04:16 – 00:54:11:05
Yeah.

00:54:11:07 – 00:54:28:03
He he he literally can't go anywhere in England at the moment without people knowing who he is. And. Yeah, yeah.

00:54:28:05 – 00:54:33:05
Yeah.

00:54:33:07 – 00:54:48:21
Yeah.

00:54:48:23 – 00:55:25:19
Yeah I am so I was scrolling I caught my word Tik Tok on Instagram. I can't remember which one. But there's been a few people that they've come on my screen and Oh matron not that come you know, you know what I mean. Did. Jesus. Did he just, yeah. He, And they, like, I saw, like, you know, thousands, tens of thousands of, heart emojis and comments and stuff like, I don't know who the fuck this person.

00:55:25:21 – 00:56:06:13
And I look, and they're not actors or actresses, but they are influencers, and they've got 2.1 million followers. They've got, you know, 3.8, you know, one point, whatever it might be. And then look at actors from films I'm watching or, or people that are on my TV screen every day. And, and they've got 60,000 followers or whatever, you know, I mean, the disparity of someone that's online, but maybe someone's on someone that's an influencer and they've got millions of followers or a hugely engaged audience in comparison to someone that's on your TV every day, but haven't got that following on social.

00:56:06:13 – 00:56:31:17
But then that person there, oh, don't go and talk to them revered like, oh fuck, they're an actor. They've been in, you know, whatever it might be. But then it's okay to approach an influencer and expect a certain service. Do you know what I mean? You're you're on the internet and, because I comment on you, I should get a photo and you do this video.

00:56:31:17 – 00:56:39:21
Say hello to my mum. Oh, you're an asshole. Do you didn't do that like.

00:56:39:23 – 00:56:56:21
I.

00:56:56:23 – 00:57:04:22
Yeah.

00:57:04:24 – 00:57:14:01
Right. Okay.

00:57:14:03 – 00:57:25:18
Yes.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

01:00:06:11 – 01:00:19:20
Oh, yeah. Yeah yeah yeah.

01:00:19:22 – 01:00:32:03
Yeah.

01:00:32:05 – 01:01:10:22
That's insane. Yeah. That is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That is amazing, man. I didn't I mean, I listen to that podcast. I've got something I know in my brain, in my brain, it's like one bit of information goes in and one slides out again. It's like Jenga. Just like just just the building blocks.

01:01:10:24 – 01:01:49:09
Which. Yeah. Which is a wonderful thing. Human connection. And the world where we are losing a lot of human connection that you still have that part where you could feel like that you're reaching out or you're part of something, you're part of a circle, part of a friendship group. When you're listening to, the fighting cock or lights or whatever podcast is that you feel safe, that you're happy that's going to make you laugh, or you're going to kind of be able to, submerge yourself within, this hour that takes you away from whatever it is that you're feeling or going through is a beautiful thing.

01:01:49:11 – 01:02:11:09
And, yeah, like it like you said that the the kind of connotations of parasocial that is a negative thing, when people come up to me and chat to me and everything I like every single time, hugely grateful for anyone that ever comes and speaks to me because I do like, yeah, I'm like, why? Why, why do I just some fucking idiot?

01:02:11:09 – 01:02:40:08
I love microphone, but it's but it is amazing. I think I'm going to leave that there. We are going to go over to what are we going to do now. We've got, and another thing and something I need to know. The topic for next week is Unwritten Rules of Male Friendship. Bro codes. What? Acceptable to cover your mates for life.

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If you mates having a little bunk up and you're mates with the wife is is. Yeah. Is that cool? I don't know what takes the pace on what occasion is, you know, crossing the line between mates like you think. I know we're mates, but that is not done, I mate, and once they've crossed the line, can you ever get back?

01:03:02:21 – 01:03:24:04
Can you ever. Is that relationship repairable? So we're going to be chatting about that next week. Unwritten Rules of Male Friendship. If you've got any stories or anything you'd like to share, send in to lads anon pod at gmail.com. Also, if you've got any topic ideas and this one came in from a lad as well, so I thank you very much for that.

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If you've got any. Okay. Yes.

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I love that idea. That's, that's called a.

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Right. Okay. And now we are going to go into and another thing.

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I don't have a thing right fucking I tell you what, I am sick and tired of comedians taking over every single podcast like mate, you fucking you're selling outfit is you're selling out arenas and you fucking taken over podcast to the podcast or. Yeah, yeah. No, no, I'm fucking had enough. But not everywhere I turn. Fucking famous comedians and now brought out a podcast.

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Oh, it's fucking, I don't know, whatever podcast. And I read in tombstones out like fucking mate. It's saturated out here. Let us little guys have a bit of the pie. Yeah. You're already in for sitting out. Take your on panel fucking shows, you know? I mean.

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Yes. You're right. Okay. Yeah. Good. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Day one.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yes. Yeah. Amen, brother.

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I see a comedian the other day. Is that comedian is doing a live tour. It was on a panel show, and then he was like, oh, and I've got my own patron is like, fucking leave some for the rest of us, son.

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Yes. Do you know I didn't want to bring this up, actually,

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I look, my, I have this thing in me that like. Because I'm part of their patron. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, listen, listen, listen. Right there is part of me that is kind of like, putting out the good, you know, karma and that full circle of energy. And if I'm paying for someone's patron, then someone should pay for the last patron.

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Do you know what I mean? It's got it kind of moves the the. Yeah, there is that, there is that. I do one more.

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Yeah, yeah. He's. Yeah yeah yeah.

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Hey. I really yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. Good. You're a real. Yeah. The fuck? You should have punched him. Right. Okay. Look, I've just found the my desk as well.

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If if. It. Yeah. Where I am, right, I yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Not for you.

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Yeah. When he does talk about the goon, is it. Yeah. I'm like, I might just got Skip. Yeah.

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Yeah. Right. Okay I get that. Yeah.

01:09:07:24 – 01:09:23:05
Yeah. That is is brilliant right. Yeah. He should do, What, you going to jump over quickly to something, know you know.

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I'm sorry. Mum. The festival in Chelmsford got to be around 2009. I was a late teen or early 20s. It was in August, like always. But the weather was awful for most of the weekend. Camping on my own in the in the little too man tent. An important part of the story is that I was camping with about 10 to 15 mates, all in the same area.

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Another important point is that my mum was also at the festival with her friends. I got shitfaced every day and night as you do. Only booze, no drugs. But needless to say, what happened in the last night could have been anything that I put in my body. Monday morning I woke up and for the first time the sun was shining.

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It was really hot. I was drenched in sweat. At least I thought it was sweat. But no. Turns out I pissed myself. I sit up and unzip my tent. All of my mates are gone. I don't even know what time it is because the battery on my old Nokia, or wherever it was, had gone, but the campsite was really emptied out.

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Loads of people had left tents, but you could tell there weren't many people about. I go back into my tent and there's an awful smell and not just piss. It quickly dawns on me. I'd also shit myself. I was panicking, had mum had my mates try to wake me up and just didn't bother because I was completely mangled and stank of shit, surely one of them would have tried.

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I gathered what belongings I could and trudged to the car park. Somehow, by some unbelievable luck, I saw people I knew packing their car up. They offered to take me home. I got home and my mum had a face like thunder. Turns out she'd come to my campsite that morning and seen the state I was in and just left me there.

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Piss, shit. The lot. We didn't speak for days so other than Monday road mum, that is something only I. I. Made these lines. Yeah. Oh I girl up. Yeah. Yeah. You push a bit too odd. Well you just push and it's like. That doesn't feel like what that should have felt like. It's hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Hahahahahahahaha. I yeah, yeah yeah. Nice.

01:12:20:22 – 01:12:41:11
Yeah. Yeah. It's slightly warm. Yeah. No boiling. No no no. And when you did, you know. What are you doing here? Why have you come in? My boxers. Get out of here.

01:12:41:13 – 01:13:06:02
Nah, I put it through the wash. Yeah, but that might. It's not like I've done a fucking full on, like shit in my mind. Just a bit of liquid wool. I might read it out. So I've been, What I will say with that story is, mate, he's gone camping to the festival with 10 to 15 mates. Woke up.

01:13:06:02 – 01:13:22:18
They were all gone. Next week's episode is going to be on. You know, the golden rule of male friendship. Fucking leaving your mate festival. You've all gone off and gone over there.

01:13:22:20 – 01:13:31:12
Yeah, but I yeah, yeah, I will talk about that. But I tell a lot of things right?

01:13:31:14 – 01:13:54:08
Yeah, but I didn't know what I was doing. Right. I okay so unwritten rules of male friendship, bro codes, what's acceptable to cover for your mates and all of that stuff. Send in any stories you have or any voice notes that you have. Lads. Unknown pod at gmail.com. Patrons. You're going to get this today. Friday. All you normies.

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You'll get this on Monday. Whatever you're doing, I hope you have a bloody wonderful week.

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What? I've seen the video of the policeman kissing the geyser on the floor. He stabbed the two Jewish men in Golders Green.

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Yeah, and as a human rights lawyer, he's come out and said that both it needs to be looked at and potentially that the police should be charged with attempted murder. You're right. They should have murdered him. They should have kicked harder. As hard as they should take harder. One should have held him down, kicked him repeatedly in the head till he died.

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He literally just stabbed two people. He tried to kill two people who were just minding their business. They should have kept kicking.

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I think if you seen someone stab someone else.

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Yeah.

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I think it would be fine if they kicked him to death. I genuinely do. I don't, I don't like this. Things in life that are above the law, and watching someone stab someone else who was just going about their day bothers, you know, they did. They they didn't pass, did they? They're both the. Yeah. Fathers sons. Just people who have been stabbed because of their faith and because of what's happening in elsewhere in the world.

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100% without question. You're within your rights to stamp on that Jesus that he did. And I'm not I'm not saying it's a policing evil. I'm saying anybody should be able to do that. The if if it turns out. Well, no, I mean, in that instance it's his job to to to to to to hold him down. But they know it's the guy who stabbed him.

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Just keep kicking. And the people go, well what if they didn't realize? Then if they make a mistake, then. All right, fair enough. Let's, You kicked to death for the wrong person. You might need to face some charges. This now, but they. But I knew is the right one. It's like Judge Dredd. You know, Judge Dredd, how Judge Dredd works in the comics.

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He's everything. He's the policeman. He's the lawyer. He's the judge.

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And he makes a decision there and then on the street, right. That they're gone, they go. Go. And he just blossom with his gun.

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Okay, that's if everyone would. If everyone would stop being a cunt, we'd be in a much better position when it. And that goes for cunt policeman as well every. So if you just just stop being a cunt. You're trying to get on. We're trying to like I don't know, I don't think we need more vaccines. I think we need more viruses.

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This is a good way to frame it though. This is someone posted on Reddit said in terms of like excessive force and the policeman, we should always be prepared to ask the question. Was the level of force necessary? We should also be prepared to accept the answer yes and the fact supported. If the answer is never yes, asking the questions is pointless.

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If you'd seen someone stabbed trying to murder two people with a knife, there was no such thing as excessive force. Like if they had a gun, they should have shot him. Yeah.

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Right. In America, if someone's not wielding a knife or running a policeman, or it's just stab someone and they shoot him dead, that's the it. I know there's, like an investigation into what is correct. And there's all things. There's processes and safeguarding processes, and sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. But if they feel under threat or they feel powerless under threat, they have the right to take someone down with a gun.

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Our policemen don't have them. So if they do, they have against this guy whose murder has a murderous intent is their hands and feet. So he so he took a couple of kicks to the head. Don't go around fucking stabbing people.

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Like, oh, get out. Yeah, I think they all have tasers. Police. Maybe. I've seen submit. Yeah, I've seen some Atkinson not be affected by the sizes. Just walk through a.

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Live.

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Yeah.

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Why not in the legs I think maybe the legs are hardest hit. Yeah I know, I agree with you. I never quite. Yeah, but it's. I think they just aim to. I don't know, man. I mean, know, just trying to aim at the chest. The biggest area.

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It's not really an issue with the police is it's an issue with in that instance it's just an issue of gun control in America. It's mad. I know I was speaking to someone the other day. His name is, Is that mental on the phone to read? Sorry, sorry read. Since I read, he's, is finding them been chatting recently about some bits, and, he said there was a there.

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They're watching the Spurs and they can move on. Recently, Wolves? Yeah. And some guy took, the gun off a police officer and shot both of the police officers dead just outside or near the bar where when we were watching the game. Wolves game? Yeah, I.

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Think, I might have missed parts of that story, but. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah. I just, I was browsing Facebook while the jingle was going, and there's a guy who's Samuel Warner Devizes. And he's killed 14, jailed for 14 years for carrying out predatory series of assaults against a three year old tour. He's free rider, free month year old daughter, three month old daughter. I think they've made this our part of heard about that.

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That happened in this town. No, not sexual, just it says carry them off. Carrying out a predatory series of assaults against three month old daughter Mia or not, the investigation established that Warlock inflicted fatal some, you know, terrible stuff. He's saying to me in this town of, like, 3000 people that someone murdered a three year old child, and I didn't hear about it, but that would be front page news within their.

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So, does this make him match up? Is this real? Maybe. I mean,

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Yeah. Shouldn't you? Maybe it's true. Seven. Oh, this is me. But everyone knows about this. I didn't know about it. Until.

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Yeah.

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Is that what it's called? The official. It's called the massive US1 Osmonds market. Love it. And bitch. I don't know why God.

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What did he do? Fucking. I was just in the road. So if he.

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And was the appropriate amount of force for a man with a machete. Exactly, exactly.

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No. Yeah. Like that. That's it. You brought a machete? Yeah, I got money. It's on. You got to you. You know, it's one thing like, you know, what is it, grown man? Now, that's a scary because, like, the kids during games and stuff, like, there's a reason that they've got it. They feel like they need it for protection, whatever it might be.

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And they're not necessarily stabbing up people who are, you know, affiliated, but a grown man that sort of like, is there some sort of mental health going on still?

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Say to death, this man kill someone? Whatever. Okay. Yeah.

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Yeah. No more. I better face.

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What what how?

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Oh, no. I.

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Oh my God, I know a friend of mine. I don't, That's a friend of mine. Acquaintance. Someone I used to, you know, there's someone you meet and you just, like, get on pretty well, but you never friends, but you just get on this guy. Who? Quincy's a design. He would design jewelry when I used to work for exposure, and the.

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I always suffered from the heart burn. And then he had, like, a ruptured you. I think he had, like, a ruptured aorta or something. Yeah. And he died at home, and his mum came back for a weekend away and found him, obviously with a ruptured aorta. You just for me? Blood everywhere. And it was a terrible scene. Apparently.

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Yeah. Jesus. What we talking about?

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Housekeeping.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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No, no.

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What did he say? What did he say? I didn't post it.

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Yeah, and then you ruined it.

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Oh.

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No.

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But.

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Then I don't know what it is.

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Yeah.

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So what is.

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Yeah, yeah, I've got it here.

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All right. Ready?

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If it's offensive.

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If it's racist, we keep it in. Five. It's racist.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I don't know what that is. I don't eat, All right.

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This says United at the end. Hi, Robert.

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Fuck. You know, I don't know what I is. I was supposed to react to something ineligible. That's because struggle starts that sleeping.

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It's just the noise. That was just the noise. It could be anything.

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The also.

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Sir, bro, code is like something that exists. Regardless of how strong a relationship you have with that man. True friendship is a different thing. But if you like, you would be expected to lie for your male friend in the event that he got caught cheating, even if it's on the periphery. So you're you're allowed. You're supposed to do things that are perhaps unsavory or immoral, because there is this sort of thing that exists where you have to, you know, back up your male compatriot.

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Yeah.

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Fentanyl. I, I, I, I don't think, I don't think I would I'm not I've not been affected by it or don't do it. I wouldn't do anything consciously to honor the bro code. I think it's stupid, right. But if my friend is cheating, I'm not sure I'm telling his missus. I'm definitely not. In fact, probably.

00:22:02:18 – 00:22:11:03
Yeah. Rather getting angry at something you didn't date.

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Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I'm just.

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No. That's different. I mean, look, if you like. I think in the instance, if you asked me to enact some sort of broke, I don't obviously do it, but I would hope that we could have a conversation where I might be able to talk Iran to being a nicer person.

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Yeah, but that's not what that bro code is. Don't tell my wife I'm going to check this bra.

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It's like the broker. There are some people, some into believing it so strongly that you could be like, there's a bloke you're going out with my sister, but you're also shagging a prostitute. But this is some member thing actually broke up. Means you. You can't tell your sister. Because I have.

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Yeah. Yeah. She's nuts. And does,

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Did, That's none of your business either. Is it?

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I think generally people should just mind their own business. More or less. Certainly in other people. Do you have no idea about what's going on? Right. So, right. Unless someone asks me for advice, I generally don't comment on other people's relationships or what they're doing. Lot of people do often ask me for advice or anything, but, yeah, so I just think you should, you know, if you that's what they want to do and there will be eventually be some consequence for that.

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But it's none of my business. If it's if it's something like, oh, I know that this man's hitting his wife, that's different. Right? Yeah, but that's not saying something like that. Then when you have the power to interfere and prevent, then perhaps you should do that then. But but yeah, generally like if you know that a man's cheating on or wife's cheating on it, that just I don't know, I just I wouldn't get involved.

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I wouldn't pass comment really. I don't know if there's a mate even then I said this is out of order, but what can you do? I mean, it's, it's something he they if they want to talk to you about it, they can but they might want to figure out he needs to get something out of your system, whatever it might be.

00:26:02:17 – 00:26:19:08
And then eventually their relationship gets better and you go into like, a hand grenade just gone, right? This is what's happening. Everybody needs to know. Don't know.

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No, no I don't. That's not. Yeah. Do you, do you. Sounds like I'm supporting it. You crack on. I'm just saying no. With you it's different. But if it's like, I don't know. I don't know one of very few people I'd get involved in. Like, if I knew lots. Right? Like, we we've known people, and they're not we mutual acquaintances.

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So you have, like, building relationships, but they're also just just shagging around like we didn't interfere. Then. And probably wouldn't now. So. But it's not about bro code thing. What is it? What else is it? What else is broken other than just lying to your mates when they check other people?

00:27:13:08 – 00:27:50:07
I don't know, I've just googled it here and it says loyalty. Having your friends back, especially in social situations. Respect not undermining or embarrassing each other unnecessarily. Boundaries. All right.

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What? What?

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Yeah, I think, I don't know, I think you just there's there's things you would share and there's this thing. I think anything my people find interesting, I might share. Like, I have a mate of mine, his wife. He's, worked, cheated on him and spent a lot of time talking to him over the last few months. Yeah, she cheated on him.

00:29:19:17 – 00:29:45:22
And, but left basically. And they they broke up and stuff, but, so I would tell my wife that that happened, I guess, and say, what do you think? But if if someone had asked me not to say something, I wouldn't have done.

00:29:45:24 – 00:30:01:11
You tell Donna everything. Yeah. Then. Yeah. Yeah. Like if I cheated on Ollie and our relationship broke down, you would obviously tell Donna.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I, I I'm not into that till tell and gossiping and stuff. I don't get anything from it. Lying people slagging other people off constantly. I don't get anything from that either. But some people revel in that in bad news and sharing bad news. I don't know where it comes from or what it is, but no, like, if someone's breaking up, this is all this is happening and he's cheated in it and their lives are falling apart and they're reveling in it.

00:31:07:11 – 00:31:11:19
Do you enjoy it?

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Having information?

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Yeah.

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What do you mean?

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Have you got some some? Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What? Inside the grip. But I think you you kind of do. There is. There are some groups. Yeah. Every WhatsApp group is slightly different, isn't it? But, you know, there's a line. But the fun is. Can I step over that line? Not too much. So everyone thinks I'm odd, but enough to make people go laugh or whatever it might be.

00:32:57:08 – 00:33:18:10
So, yeah, I mean, like, there's the longer you've known each other, the better it is. But it's up to some groups. There's one. There was the quote from in and the one bloke, it was just post like a horrendous video of something like someone being run over or a bloke being electrocuted in India or something else.

00:33:18:12 – 00:33:35:19
Hate them. And the people are always right. And, you know, he's posted it and the generally no other comment with it. It's just dropped in there. There you go. I've seen this, so you've got to see it. Right. And you can always tell if it's going to be a bad one somehow. But your brain's sort of the, the sort of the video you can kind of things.

00:33:35:19 – 00:33:44:05
It's like someone's going to die in this video. I just know it.

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But you know, he, he, you know, he's he has it in him to post out. So you're always a bit wary of him.

00:34:07:23 – 00:34:24:07
Yeah. Because you can get that wherever you want it. The back in the day, like Jim Portnoy's doesn't happen. I think that needs a little comeback. There's enough time past now.

00:34:24:09 – 00:34:45:09
When was the first place you got done? Have you been, like, in front of the wife and kids? Is always a bit awkward. Like, they kind of know now, but.

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That.

00:35:11:23 – 00:35:30:04
Yeah. Yeah, I've done that with my, you know, I've done it with my brothers lots of times. Yeah. I mean, yeah, they, they've being a knob or the, they're overstepping the mark or being offensive or. Yeah. All the time. My dad also.

00:35:30:06 – 00:35:57:03
Sometimes gives a bit too far.

00:35:57:05 – 00:36:23:19
Like what racism.

00:36:23:21 – 00:36:45:07
Yeah. Do you think sometimes like a relationship, a group gets to a point where everyone knows you're joking. So it's kind of like all right. Yeah.

00:36:45:09 – 00:37:12:16
Yeah.

00:37:12:18 – 00:37:42:18
Well, in terms of in relation to a broker, I don't assume that it would. Yeah. Be like you. Yeah, exactly. So is this sort of damaging or not? I guess. Yeah. Yeah. It's like.

00:37:42:20 – 00:37:57:17
I found that also. So no, I didn't I thought it was already like, I picked up on it because it's on the news and stuff. I didn't watch any of it, but it sounded like they were hated each other.

00:37:57:19 – 00:38:02:24
Yeah.

00:38:03:01 – 00:38:33:13
It kind of feels like it's run its course a little bit. It's run by. So there was this. So Jimmy Bullard did, He pulled out. They're doing a of group challenge and some. This went way up. I don't know what his name is. Adam. Something he's in a soap is so pat. So just went mental. I'm forgiving up.

00:38:33:15 – 00:39:18:14
Right. Did you think it was over? Like.

00:39:18:16 – 00:39:35:08
Yeah. Saw that bit clip.

00:39:35:10 – 00:39:43:07
What do you mean, on purpose?

00:39:43:09 – 00:40:18:22
Yeah.

00:40:18:24 – 00:40:37:14
I was, but he didn't say that. Then he said you you've quit. And I was in there and, like, it felt like he was, like, angry at Jimmy Bullard. But is it so? Was that like a a reaction to the bullying, or is he just because he didn't look like in that confrontation, it didn't look like. Yeah.

00:40:37:14 – 00:41:35:08
Yeah. No, I'm saying Adam didn't look like he was capable of being bullied. In fact. In fact, in that instance, he looked much more like the aggressor in the lot, sort of a will it a little bit.

00:41:35:10 – 00:42:06:13
I don't know really. I don't, don't think so. I think I think if you think what the environment that David Haye and, Jimmy Bullard would have grown up in and developed in them, and became proficient in these like dressing rooms in it's sport, it's masculine. It's very sort of male orientated and dominated. And so they would have been comfortable in that situation with, you know, and there'd be no normal to sort of pick on people.

00:42:06:15 – 00:42:32:11
And it happens in, in groups, in male groups now, like an outside if you don't know the dynamics of the group, you would assume that someone was being bullied and that they felt victimized because of it. But in reality, it's it's group dynamics and if just if there's a if there's anything of a bro code in this instance, it's that you know, where the line is and whether or not that person is enjoying the banter anymore.

00:42:32:11 – 00:43:02:07
Like you, our group, everyone can give it back. There's no one that doesn't give it back or it gets offended in any way. I can't. I can only think of a couple of times where someone said something and upset someone else, and generally it's the same person that gets upset so and only lasts or takes it a little bit harder than those, so yeah, I think banter and that sort of stuff is a massive part of for any male friendship group.

00:43:02:07 – 00:43:14:08
Yeah.

00:43:14:10 – 00:43:41:13
You're right. Oh yeah. Loads. Yeah. Like, no, like if someone's gone over the top or if I can feel like it's having an impact because not loads like every week I'd say maybe 2 or 3 times. And then I was thinking about other times in like, we've had people that, that follow the podcast and they like damaging the group dynamic that people especially like in patron and stuff.

00:43:41:17 – 00:44:14:08
There was there was a lot, who was on in our patron and on Fight Club. And there's a lot of frustration around football at the moment, but people messaged me outside of it and saying, this guys can't see far. And I'm like, I had to. How do you solve that situation? I mean, so when when one of your mates goes above and beyond what you should be saying, then it's probably good to go and just privately gauge, you know what?

00:44:14:08 – 00:44:22:03
This is having an impact and yeah.

00:44:22:05 – 00:44:42:07
It didn't actually respond to the message. No he didn't. He must have seen it. He didn't respond. And then he left for a different reason. For, you know, he's either left or he doesn't post anymore, but, it wasn't it wasn't the end of the world, really. I think it was upsetting people. Yeah. But the,

00:44:42:09 – 00:45:24:13
Yeah. I mean, there's been times when I think banter around you is gone too far. When we were younger, much younger, and I'm not going to say specifics, I'm just going to say that. Yeah. I'm that it got.

00:45:24:15 – 00:45:30:21
Well.

00:45:30:23 – 00:45:53:02
I've. I've ever seen you cry, Ricky. You might try life. Try more. Go on. Remorse. Break down.

00:45:53:04 – 00:46:24:00
Yeah I think the because the what was happening I you was involved in a group that you come to the group and so, I felt responsible to some degree because, I brought you in, and I don't say any specifics because no one knows this person. But he said some stuff that he found really funny because of that was the tone of banter, and it didn't it wasn't just restricted to you.

00:46:24:00 – 00:46:45:06
Ricky at the time was doing it to some of his friends that were different of different colors and races and creeds and different and stuff like that. He he thought he was just being funny, basically. And cocaine and beer would do make you say you do things that you didn't normally do. And I had to say, because I'd brought you in, I felt responsible.

00:46:45:06 – 00:47:06:00
And now you've been subjected to, even if it was funny, you know, comes from a place where someone's trying to be funny. It might not. You didn't take it that way, and you didn't appear like you didn't take it. I just thought, it doesn't matter how you take it shouldn't be said in the first place. And, And he doesn't listen much.

00:47:06:00 – 00:47:16:16
But he listened to that, and he apologized, didn't he? Which is.

00:47:16:18 – 00:47:26:23
A couple of times. That was the only time I can remember. With the same person.

00:47:27:00 – 00:47:51:01
Okay. Yeah, I don't remember, but, that's good to know.

00:47:51:03 – 00:47:57:16
Yeah.

00:47:57:18 – 00:48:24:18
I think so, but if it's if it's in, like what? So we say, mum, I know you want to say my mum's is like, okay, mum, I'm honestly the best. Is the best. Let's talk about some, some of my mates. I'll stop saying like the other day use. You just got around your mum and said to remind you.

00:48:24:19 – 00:48:29:02
Mum shows me £20.

00:48:29:04 – 00:48:51:00
And then whatever, mate, he's mum's poorly. I'm not talking about his poorly mum. I'm talking about the fictional character I have in my head who is his mum. That doesn't exist. But he'd always go low and say like, my mum, he's got stage four cancer. Yeah. That's a you're. And I'm like, I'm starting to think it's not true because she's had that for a lot since I've known him, and I've known him for about ten years.

00:48:51:00 – 00:49:06:12
He still got it. Yeah. It, Yeah. So mum's a fair game. Hundred percent. Like there was a time in school where you mums would be like. And now you go, you're not allowed usually cos someone's mummy's on. My little.

00:49:06:14 – 00:49:25:15
Yeah. Now it's the first place you should go. But I love the fact that everyone was alright with like mum jokes. But my little brother Alex was never right with my jokes. The yeah.

00:49:25:17 – 00:49:39:22
He. Yeah. Yeah. So my mum's, Yeah. No. Why is that different?

00:49:39:24 – 00:50:02:08
Well, it was I know what you're saying. The so we, I was, I was talking with Lee and someone else. I won't say his name just in case he doesn't want to, because this is private jokes that aren't for the public is in inner circle jokes where you can be as crude as you want and everyone knows it's cool right?

00:50:02:10 – 00:50:21:11
But he said that he is I. The wife's away. Yeah. And I get a couple of boxes in them. And he's gonna. And, he says, well, my wife's back tonight, so he don't have time. And this other person, when, it's the same thing in it. Free that way anyway, which gets back, which is.

00:50:21:16 – 00:50:43:11
And then I'll say it out loud, it's horrible. But, but but when when he's in the chat, it's like, funny that he's kind of pushing the buttons. And he went, that's my wife. You're talking about, which made it even funnier.

00:50:43:13 – 00:51:04:09
I had less funny. It's less funny.

00:51:04:11 – 00:51:12:23
Yeah, that's not on.

00:51:13:00 – 00:51:41:03
Well, there was there was one. There was a moment I seen recently in the group where, again, no specifics, but, someone said something about a wife, and that person took exception to it, whereas if it was a mum and this person said, if mums are on, mums are fine, but wives are not fine. Yeah. And he wasn't even cussing is it was about someone else's wife and he was like he had but it was about him.

00:51:41:07 – 00:51:47:09
But it's complicated. But yeah.

00:51:47:11 – 00:52:04:24
Yeah, kids are fair game. I think. Yeah, I don't know, I, I wouldn't be, I don't know, maybe, I, I would generally stay away from kids and wives. I.

00:52:05:01 – 00:52:21:16
Know.

00:52:21:18 – 00:52:49:05
You should never. Yeah. You should never be in a position where you have to ask for it back. But, you know, don't put your friend in that situation. But. Yeah. No, it depends. If it's like ten a unit, forget about it. Never ask for a ten. About you. Remember that ten of you own me. So I, I wouldn't anyway, but but anything over like £20, I think that's fine.

00:52:49:08 – 00:52:53:00
Make it £20.

00:52:53:02 – 00:53:03:15
Yeah.

00:53:03:17 – 00:53:25:14
I don't. Yeah, they should I if that's the etiquette. That's etiquette. Like the people that go, I'll stay on my own. It's like, you know, don't come out in your party. You you part of this group or not. And if someone home can't afford it, then they're still in the round. It's fine if you just don't have to pay.

00:53:25:16 – 00:53:58:09
That's how I would go about it. But.

00:53:58:11 – 00:54:20:03
Yeah. You don't have to drink here. Just hold that one round. This I won't I'll stay out of this one. But. But you said.

00:54:20:05 – 00:54:35:09
I wouldn't lie, I wouldn't I couldn't give a shit if you wanted to or not. My, I'm up a bit of the area. No, no, if I may have been a time where I would have called. Come on, stop me. But now I'm like, fuck, you don't wanna have a drink? Then have one. Like, it's fine if you wanna have.

00:54:35:13 – 00:54:49:01
I mean, I'd feel a bit uncomfortable if you're sitting there. Have a pint of water. I've got to say that.

00:54:49:03 – 00:54:56:02
You would.

00:54:56:04 – 00:55:24:19
You know what? No. You be. Yes. No, no, no, but no one wants to do the beer water thing. But you. Yeah, I know, but you're. You've always been a bit like I don't. I have a fanny on. I repeat, I do. I don't know if, if they're, if they're worse than your hangovers are worse than mine.

00:55:24:19 – 00:55:50:06
I don't know, but yours. Yeah. No, I wouldn't want to go out. I'd have a massive after for four pints. What? I want another pint of water. No, give me a whiskey. Oh. Yeah.

00:55:50:08 – 00:56:15:19
That. Yeah. It's when you get home with it. Really? Just fucking get up. Yeah, well, we all feel awful, awful, awful this morning for some reason. I'm here.

00:56:15:21 – 00:56:31:11
Yeah. Broke out. I think I wouldn't care less then I'm not. Would I do it? No.

00:56:31:13 – 00:57:01:12
Some. It depends. What you feeling like you've fallen in love with this person, then? I wouldn't shag one of my mates. Sex is just willy nilly. But if you feel like there's a relationship in the future to be had, then yeah, of course, because what difference does it make what your little feeble ego can't take? What I'm saying, someone that you used to, you see, you problem.

00:57:01:12 – 00:57:23:00
I think. Well, there's a case in point here. Again, no names, but someone I know is really, really good. Friends with my ex girlfriend. They're not doing anything, but I wouldn't mind. I only care if they did. In fact, I'd. They would have my blessing.

00:57:23:02 – 00:57:44:20
What? No no no no no. Yeah, well, it doesn't matter, because no one knows this person is. But I just don't want to say it. But yeah, they would have my they would have my I wouldn't mind. I the he's a nice bloke. She.

00:57:44:22 – 00:58:11:05
Yeah. If I'm doing that thing like what if you died and I was like I'm taking Donna and the kids on. It really. Wouldn't.

00:58:11:07 – 00:58:40:00
You. I can't tell if you're joking. I like it. Is it? What about me? If it was me. Okay. What if you're alive? And I fell in love and I fell in love with Donna? Yeah, you just split up. And about three months later.

00:58:40:02 – 00:58:44:24
Was it.

00:58:45:01 – 00:59:07:15
Oh. What about, like, four years after? But you. So you wouldn't have. You wouldn't have a problem then? It depends. If you're still loving, if you still in love with the person, that's the problem, innit?

00:59:07:17 – 00:59:38:07
You know. Yeah. Of course. Probably. You know, some sort of connection that wasn't up. Yeah. Not realized. You know, often, often. I think you can't. I think there's a conversation where men and women can never truly be friends, because typically the man would always want to to to this, this, this is the energy from a man is different than it is from the woman I think can be right by,

00:59:38:09 – 01:00:02:19
This is what I say when I look at Donna. I don't see a female. I just see my mate Donna. So that idea that they can't be a platonic relationship between a man and a woman is nonsense.

01:00:02:21 – 01:00:22:15
It's just nothing. Yeah.

01:00:22:17 – 01:00:43:11
Yeah. I don't know, man. I don't know the. And the thing is, is as well is that I. It's like we've got really good friends. Simon gestures. You'll be listening to this. It's you just. It's just it's something that would exist in a bro code. Kind of, toxic masculinity kind of conversations on men and women can't be friends because there's always.

01:00:43:13 – 01:01:06:00
It's like you. I don't see them as females or males or anything. I just see them as my friends and my mates say, yeah. And Robin as well. Same as it's the same. It's just nothing. It's just I think as you mature, it becomes clearer that that is the case.

01:01:06:02 – 01:01:10:09
Yeah.

01:01:10:11 – 01:01:17:11
Yeah.

01:01:17:13 – 01:01:22:11
I'd rather give you a blowjob.

01:01:22:13 – 01:01:29:10
Don't ask me if you're my friend. You wouldn't ask.

01:01:29:12 – 01:02:09:00
Yeah, yeah. The, Don't ask me is your mate. That's what I'm saying. Don't ask. Yeah. Just manage it. Yeah, you should. But what if you really don't want to? So if I offer, you should say, don't worry about it, but it should.

01:02:09:02 – 01:02:14:20
Yeah, yeah. So where what?

01:02:14:22 – 01:02:33:12
What, you, just moved house and you didn't offer. Did you? You did an offer, I don't remember. This is the point. I don't even remember. Where where where I'm just me and you.

01:02:33:14 – 01:02:45:14
All right, what do I search? Maybe.

01:02:45:16 – 01:03:08:23
Yeah, I, I think we might be moving house next weekend. I hate this house. This is what you said. And then nothing. And then I'm not lying. Look, it's right there. I hate this. You said I hate this house. And then next day, you free at 11 for the preview? Yes.

01:03:09:00 – 01:03:25:13
Well, what? I'm. I'm sorry. It's moving. Maybe. Or something else. Move, move move. House search. Are you 100% confident?

01:03:25:15 – 01:03:50:11
Yeah.

01:03:50:13 – 01:04:21:05
Yeah.

01:04:21:07 – 01:04:37:02
Yeah. Something like that. Yeah, yeah. I mean. I think it's a mark of a good friendship. A strong friendship.

01:04:37:04 – 01:04:56:20
No, you just need to make. You don't have to cross any lines. You just need to make the person to where they are seen and that you are there. If they need to help. But what I realized as I've got older, I felt for a long time that if my friend needs help, I have to fix the problem.

01:04:56:22 – 01:05:17:17
If they're struggling with their mental health, I have to find a way to fix it. And this comes from, you know, stuff from my previous relationship. You know, for a long time, a lot of difficult years in my previous relationship. And it was always my aim to fix it. I. How do I fix this person? What do I need to do?

01:05:17:17 – 01:05:49:00
And obviously the answer is I've never found an answer. I didn't know how to fix it because you can't. All you can do is offer a network of support, foundation, a base for that person to potentially fix it themselves, or at least just communicate how they're feeling. And so when I realize I don't need to fix people, all I need to do is be there or listen or then probably not even offer solutions like I've learned a lot.

01:05:49:02 – 01:06:13:09
A lot about about a relationship because you can't offer what you can offer practical advice, guaranteed how to do how this this work for me, but generally it's just being there. You just have to be there. And that is it. From from a man's perspective is quite difficult to it took me a long time to realize is that I wanted to wanted to fix I wanted to make better.

01:06:13:10 – 01:06:35:21
I wanted to, I wanted to take the pain away. And then, you know, maturing is realizing that you can't do those things. You have to just be there and listen and offer and say, you know, just just be there, basically. And eventually people work things out.

01:06:35:23 – 01:06:41:20
Yeah.

01:06:41:22 – 01:07:18:06
What's what's next bit.

01:07:18:08 – 01:07:27:04
What bridge. How many of we had.

01:07:27:06 – 01:07:46:15
Yeah. But we can we we have five each or we can, we can swap over. All right. I'll have to do some research and I probably have.

01:07:46:17 – 01:08:43:12
The.

01:08:43:14 – 01:10:40:03
Sorry.

01:10:40:05 – 01:10:52:22
Lovely. That's great. Unless we use the word necessitate as well. Was given. I don't think I've ever used that word in my entire life.

01:10:52:24 – 01:11:05:05
Yeah.

01:11:05:07 – 01:11:20:23
No one's wasted. No one's reading that shit.

01:11:21:00 – 01:11:49:17
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the some of these websites have just become an absolute. It's just impossible to use. Like, there's there's one like the mirror. Awful. Like mirror. The mirror. I could see anywhere they can, I guess, monetize. I'm not sure. You know, interestingly, you know, when you sometimes have to do, like, the captcha word to prove that you're not a robot or I do, you know, sometimes you get prompted and sometimes you don't.

01:11:49:19 – 01:12:15:07
And the reason why you get prompted is because your mouse movements haven't been random enough. Before you click the, login button, right? So if you want to avoid doing a reCAPTCHA or select the amount of traffic lights that are in that, yeah, you just move your mouse around erratically like a robot would. If you're moving in a straight line, you're much more likely to get, checked.

01:12:15:08 – 01:13:34:14
So you just squiggle the mouse around before pressing and generally don't get checked. Yeah.

01:13:34:16 – 01:14:22:23
But no.

01:14:23:00 – 01:15:12:24
The.

01:15:13:01 – 01:15:36:14
Brilliant.

01:15:36:16 – 01:15:50:11
I, I mean, I probably wouldn't tell them, actually.

01:15:50:13 – 01:16:45:01
I. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I would be kind of conscious of, conscious of, you know, the teasing and stuff and probably wouldn't tell,

01:16:45:03 – 01:16:45:09
Is.

00:02.52
Gareth Flavell: How are you? What was going to say, um ah before we started recording, I said to you where you got coffee, you got water, and you were disgusted that I had suggested a hot beverage.

00:07.61
Flav: oh

00:17.11
Flav: I don't, yeah, I don't, I haven't, there's no part of me that wants a cup of tea or anything, just want water. I haven't had do any coffee.

00:23.29
Gareth Flavell: So I'll…

00:24.25
Flav: There is this, ah my dad, my nan used to tell me in hot weather, I drink hot drinks.

00:27.93
Gareth Flavell: Yes.

00:29.08
Flav: Yeah, but it's stupid.

00:29.37
Gareth Flavell: See?

00:30.20
Flav: like She also said to she thought the Watsits were healthy because they had cheese in them. that It's the same lines. how how how could How could possibly putting boiling water into your body or not but or very hot water into your body… I mean, I'm going to ask ChatGPT, but ah ah it doesn't make sense….

00:50.10
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, there is a well, I mean, it's, I don't know if it's an old wives, so we're about to find out, but drinking hot drinks keeps you cool in hot weather because it's something to do with the core temperature of your body. don't know what it does, but I continue to drink hot drinks in hot weather.

01:10.14
Gareth Flavell: But ah I am, oh God, i don't want to be wrong about this. And and I've just been like gunning hot drinks.

01:16.31
Flav: ah it so If something your nan was telling you… Okay, home then hang on, hang on. Yes, but only in the right conditions. A hot drink can make you feel cooler because it makes you sweat.

01:25.83
Gareth Flavell: Oh, I don't want that.

01:26.81
Flav: So the sweat evaporates, on the evaporates it cools the body. But here's the catch. only helps if the sweat can evaporate. So works better on a day in dry heat. You're in shade, there's breeze.

01:39.19
Flav: It doesn't help if it's humid. you're in So basically just if you anything that makes you sweat more might make you cooler. But if you're sweating already, then a hot drink is just going to do nothing.

01:48.50
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I i considered.

01:49.58
Flav: I've been sweating. no I've just been sitting here. I've been sweating all day, wherever I am.

01:53.21
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:54.60
Flav: It's really bad because got booked for a ah job in London on Wednesday for the Scotland game. It was 11 o'clock at night and the humidity was still there. And I was just on this shoot, just sweating buckets, absolutely pissing sweat.

02:08.18
Flav: There's nothing I can do about it.

02:08.92
Gareth Flavell: Oh God.

02:09.89
Flav: My body just loves to sweat up.

02:12.98
Gareth Flavell: ah ah when When you're doing these as well, you're in a… Are you in a pub full of people as well?

02:19.38
Flav: Yeah.

02:20.54
Gareth Flavell: I mean…

02:21.14
Flav: Pub full of people with four lights shining at you. um Yeah, it's not it's not ideal, really.

02:29.49
Gareth Flavell: What's that experience like? Like, sitting there, ah you've got loads of, like, let's just say, camera crew around you. And it must must be a weird feeling, just sitting there feeling…

02:38.71
Flav: Yeah.

02:42.33
Flav: Yeah, so people that don't know, it's basically doing this job for kind a um a company called Mixer, M-I-X-R. They run a load of pubs and they want us to download. They want people to download their app and you can get rewards for drinking.

02:54.46
Flav: So, you're like you know, like the coffee bar, if you you drink nine drinks, they'll give you a tenth one free.

02:56.60
Gareth Flavell: e

02:59.01
Flav: It's like that. Anyway, so they the way to promote this, they want they want to film us in front of watching England or watching Scotland and just chatting through it and talking bits talking about things.

03:11.26
Flav: And then they film you watching the game constantly. So um it's a bit weird, like people staring at you and that. This one wasn't, the one against Scotland wasn't too bad because it was in a separate bit.

03:23.06
Flav: We were away from the nor the people.

03:24.50
Gareth Flavell: oh

03:26.04
Flav: But the first one, the England, we were bang in the middle of the pub with massive lights all shut shining down on us.

03:28.82
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, saw that.

03:31.45
Flav: And yeah, everyone was really nice, but it was, i felt a bit awkward, but you just got to get on with it. Yeah.

03:36.98
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, do you have a little hanky with you to dab your head?

03:42.65
Flav: I use mounds of tissue, but just there's nothing you can do. It's boiling hot. There's nothing you can do. It's just what it is.

03:48.18
Gareth Flavell: know.

03:48.87
Flav: Yeah, you should have done that.

03:49.72
Gareth Flavell: I considered doing this pod with no top on, but… I don't, yeah, I don't really want, you know, everyone to be watching me topless. So I will not do that.

04:00.81
Gareth Flavell: um

04:01.26
Flav: Patrons only there, right?

04:02.49
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, true. That is true. But then what about if there's a a saucy clip that want to put out there? That'd be weird scrolling through and then some geezer on your TikTok or reel comes up.

04:13.46
Flav: I gotcha.

04:13.85
Gareth Flavell: yeah Just sitting there topless naked.

04:14.42
Flav: Yeah, yeah, that would be…

04:18.17
Gareth Flavell: ah um Do you know what the topic is today?

04:24.66
Flav: Dreams can come true.

04:25.33
Gareth Flavell: Can country. true and they then and ah You know you got to have hope.

04:26.34
Flav: Look at me.

04:31.09
Gareth Flavell: You know you got to be strong.

04:31.54
Flav: Got to have to be strong.

04:33.61
Gareth Flavell: Dream.

04:35.50
Flav: No.

04:35.29
Gareth Flavell: ah I don't know what that middle bit is. I love that dreams.

04:40.92
Flav: No.

04:40.76
Gareth Flavell: Can country.

04:42.68
Flav: carried

04:42.87
Gareth Flavell: You know you got to have hope.

04:43.74
Flav: yeah

04:45.13
Gareth Flavell: I know you got to be strong.

04:46.04
Flav: Yeah. Yeah.

04:48.07
Gareth Flavell: don't even think Gabrielle knows about that.

04:48.63
Flav: I don't know. Number one, dreams, Gabrielle.

04:51.03
Gareth Flavell: fucking ream tune that is my god i'm so hot um do you remember your dreams like as in do you you've told me this before actually and i've been really i don't know why i've been so surprised about it

04:51.70
Flav: Yeah.

05:02.01
Flav: Yes.

05:10.77
Flav: What? You don't remember your own dreams?

05:13.50
Gareth Flavell: I do, right? There's there's a stage, right? i like I wake up and I'm like, that was a weird dream. And then I'll put my T-shirt on to go downstairs and I can't remember the dream. It's gone. It's gone.

05:29.56
Gareth Flavell: It's very rare that I remember.

05:29.94
Flav: Yeah.

05:31.28
Gareth Flavell: It's got to be something that really affects me.

05:31.74
Flav: ah

05:35.58
Flav: ah they don't stay with me forever they stay with me for a day or so i might think about it and then they just disappear as they go on goes on they they they just disappear um but i have vivid dreams um every night i i would say which is weird because i can't create an image in my own eye in mine's eye by doing vividly yeah then i can't explain why that is the case um

05:54.14
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

06:00.98
Flav: But yeah, mate, as well as, because I'm taking amitriptyline, that represses r REM sleep for somebody. It's one of the negative parts of it. So you're sleeping soundly, but you're not getting as much REM sleep as you normally would if you're sleeping naturally.

06:14.71
Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

06:16.02
Flav: But it's not when you're you're in ah a REM state that you're dreaming. It's in the other dream state. I can't remember. It might be a light sleep or something like that. ah or it may be if there's deep sleep REM light sleep and um waking sleep I think those are different stages of your night if you wear a Fitbit it tells you which what bits you've been in during during the night um and

06:33.50
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

06:36.06
Gareth Flavell: ya Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. i always get angry when it's like, I'm not not in deep sleep, just fucking REM or whatever. Give me the depot.

06:46.58
Flav: it's weird that you think you're in deep sleep the like my my understanding would have been I thought you were only there talking about sleep. The eight hours, when you fall asleep and you go into deep sleep and you sit there for seven hours then you go, but that's not the truth. You're in and out of different variations of sleep.

07:06.71
Flav: But yes, I dream lot. I've been having a lot of sort of naughty dreams as well recently for some reason.

07:12.45
Gareth Flavell: What?

07:13.06
Flav: I can't, I don't remember much about them at all, but I remember the kind of theme of it being around that.

07:13.02
Gareth Flavell: Right.

07:19.96
Gareth Flavell: Wow.

07:20.36
Flav: don't know. but And then, annette but then, um but that dream of I had a mad dream last night. he said You can't recall them, which is why like they don't mean anything.

07:32.92
Flav: I remember, to me, they are like processing things that have happened.

07:32.76
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

07:36.80
Flav: So I'll have something that's that's happened during the day or something I've been doing a lot of, especially if it's new, and I'll dream about that at night. It's almost like processing it.

07:46.46
Gareth Flavell: Right.

07:47.72
Flav: That's what I believe it to be anyway.

07:48.92
Gareth Flavell: Right. No, no. I do have some of the… ah So ah why do we dream? Like scientists, they have no idea, no exact kind of ah theory of why we dream exactly.

08:04.09
Gareth Flavell: Some say it's memory sorting.

08:08.06
Flav: Yeah.

08:07.91
Gareth Flavell: Others say emotional processing.

08:11.43
Flav: Yeah.

08:12.22
Gareth Flavell: This is a weird one. Threat simulation. So when you when you can't run away and you're running through treacle and you're running really slow and something's chasing you, it's a threat simulation to prepare you from running away from a bear or whatever it might be.

08:16.98
Flav: Yeah.

08:24.25
Flav: Yeah,

08:31.03
Flav: yeah, yeah.

08:31.22
Gareth Flavell: and that And then the other is…

08:32.82
Flav: so ive

08:34.42
Gareth Flavell: You're gone. The final one is a random brain activity.

08:35.83
Flav: No, no, go We'll follow on a

08:42.01
Flav: Yeah. but But you know, like, um you know, like when you're having a fight and you can't fight properly in your dream, it's like you've…

08:43.67
Gareth Flavell: I mean…

08:50.81
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, you can't throw a punch like full power and stuff and it's like you're punching in water.

08:57.61
Flav: It's weird that it's the same for everybody.

09:00.82
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, that is.

09:03.13
Flav: Yeah. It's like no one can… I don't beat the shit out of people. I often have a dream of like, I'm i'm in a fight and I'm hitting like eight or nine times on the bounce. ah then they're not they're not doing anything bang bang bang but then they're sort of all right

09:17.14
Gareth Flavell: oh fuck, what do I do now?

09:20.44
Flav: yeah and then and then see told you kind of thing don't know or running as well you just can't run when someone's running after you you just cannot run as fast as them it's a weird thing

09:30.07
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it's mental. So for for you, there is no part. So it's memory sorting, emotional processing, all those theories. None of it is to do with anything supernatural, contacting ah the other side of the world, different dimension. Whoa,

09:49.98
Flav: Obviously not.

09:50.90
Gareth Flavell: well ah whoa, whoa, whoa, chill.

09:52.69
Flav: It's like, do you believe in magic, Ricky?

09:52.48
Gareth Flavell: I know.

09:55.32
Flav: We've had this conversation loads of times.

09:56.96
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

09:57.52
Flav: Am I contacting the dead when I dream? No, it's my brain activity. It's, it's they of course not.

10:05.44
Flav: Of course not. awful

10:07.06
Gareth Flavell: that theyre Actually, i did see I did see this thing of, um what was it called?

10:07.86
Flav: What do other people do? People believe other things.

10:15.95
Gareth Flavell: So um here it is, right? ah Pre-cognitive dreams. ah Pre-cognitive dreams that seemingly predict or provide insight into the future events before they happen.

10:22.26
Flav: Yeah.

10:30.36
Gareth Flavell: While they often feel deeply profound or paranormal, scientists explain these experiences through psychological phenomenon like coincidence, confirmation bias, and the brain's ability to subconsciously process data.

10:47.29
Gareth Flavell: So I'd imagine that's kind of like deja vu but in your sleep, right?

10:47.74
Flav: yeah

10:51.03
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

10:52.92
Flav: Yeah, I think, um yeah, I think it's it's it's just sure your your brain has to unload and process stuff. Otherwise, you could be going crazy. like i read I was reading about this thing yesterday um where essentially a problem you have in your life is like an open loop in your brain and yeah and and you're aware of it. So It might be, you know, that you have got a doctor's appointment.

11:22.62
Flav: No, you you've got a problem. You need to make appointment for a doctor. That because you know that you need to do that, that becomes an open loop in your brain. and and And the number of open loops in your brain you have, the more the stressful you you you become.

11:36.73
Flav: So often what happens like with journaling or writing down lists or or or typing out things, it closes those loops. They don't go away, but it closes those loops so your brain doesn't have to worry about them subconsciously.

11:51.26
Flav: So I think the most practical use of… We dream for a reason, right? So there's no use to it.

11:56.25
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

11:57.33
Flav: you would you wouldn't No one would dream. you would So it's some sort of function that the body is performing. It's not linking to a spiritual spiritual realm because you're fast asleep and then therefore you're more open to that.

12:11.42
Flav: Isn't it much much, much, much, much more likely that… um that the dream dreaming is a function like the body like the liver processes toxins the brain is going through a processing of the thing that's what's most likely isn't it so that's what i believe

12:25.56
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

12:30.58
Gareth Flavell: Right. Okay. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's good. And and the the closed loop things, right. That's that, that sounds very, you know, i was going to say plausible, but that sounds exactly what's probably happening.

12:40.61
Gareth Flavell: And then the journal thing, writing it down to put an end to it. That's really good. Actually. Um, I hadn't thought of it that way.

12:46.21
Flav: I've got fucking loads of shit that I need to do that's stressing me out all the time. We all have to some degree.

12:51.93
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

12:52.54
Flav: But and and writing it down doesn't make it go away, but it just feels like that you get control of… You write a list, you can work for it kind of thing.

13:03.10
Flav: um I think…

13:03.19
Gareth Flavell: You get it out and you get the kind of negative, the spiral out on paper and at least you can kind of put a plan together or something.

13:08.73
Flav: because you Yeah, like that. um and but But with your… There's a million things going on your subconscious that the brain is taking care of, perhaps.

13:19.69
Flav: That's what I think dreaming is. Like stuff that's going on that you're not aware of.

13:22.20
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

13:25.78
Gareth Flavell: Right.

13:26.14
Flav: Mostly.

13:26.22
Gareth Flavell: I know, I do know where you stand on this and this is fine. I'm not trying to convince you, but I'm just having a ah discussion.

13:31.15
Flav: Yeah, it's what other people do.

13:33.21
Gareth Flavell: ah my missus she had a dream she had a dream about her granddad her granddad has been dead years doesn't really have any memory of her granddad at all just bits and pieces ah but one of them it was that I don't know why was saying this but he said just ah do a phlegmy in the fire that was burning that's just fucking weird

13:38.76
Flav: Yeah.

13:58.90
Gareth Flavell: Just a little greenie as you're walking past.

13:59.38
Flav: That was her memory.

14:00.42
Gareth Flavell: you Yeah. Memory of your granddad walking past a fire.

14:03.11
Flav: Spitting in the fire. Really.

14:03.77
Gareth Flavell: yeah

14:04.43
Flav: Yeah.

14:07.11
Gareth Flavell: But she said he had a ah a medical smell about him, like antiseptic. ah what What was the thing that TCP, that kind of a smell?

14:14.78
Flav: Okay.

14:18.49
Flav: Yeah. All right.

14:19.67
Gareth Flavell: um And that's what she remembers of ah of her granddad.

14:23.26
Flav: Yeah.

14:23.86
Gareth Flavell: One day went to sleep, had a dream about her granddad. And the first thing that she smelled in the morning was that TCP smell really strongly.

14:33.96
Flav: Yeah. like

14:35.48
Gareth Flavell: and it was like her, in her brain, in her mind.

14:36.31
Flav: yeah

14:38.28
Gareth Flavell: And she smelled it and she was like, fuck, we don't even have any TCP. There's nothing around there. That, that just seems very weird. And she texted her mum about it saying, oh, I just had a dream about granddad and I could smell the smell.

14:46.20
Flav: Yeah.

14:50.16
Gareth Flavell: was very weird and blah, blah, blah. And her mum messaged her back and said, to- today is your granddad's birthday. Now we we can do the coincidence, the subconscious thing and and all of that.

15:03.26
Flav: Yeah, but what does what does she believe? What does she believe?

15:06.01
Gareth Flavell: shit I think she believes that um it was a message I don't know what the message was, maybe contacting from the, you know, the other side or just to say that I'm safe or whatever it might be. But it's just, you know, like it says coincidence, right?

15:24.76
Gareth Flavell: But sometimes these coincidences, they just feel more than a coincidence. Or is it that we want to believe that there is more than a coincidence?

15:36.18
Flav: Yeah, look, I don't want to poo poo it. I think um it doesn't matter. How do you feel about it? or She obviously thinks that it's linked to the birthday and that i don't think it's a coincidence. Actually, it's probably a deliberacy from the subconscious kicking in. So she would have been aware at some level that that his birthday is on that day, maybe.

15:58.04
Flav: Or I might be completely wrong and he wanted to reach out. ah question i mean I'll stop being cynical. My last time I will be. My question would be, like why has he waited 60 years or whatever it's been?

16:09.75
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

16:10.58
Flav: Whatever it was. How old is it? 40 years. that that but But whatever. It's fine. um

16:18.46
Flav: It's… my mum and my wife believe heavily that that that it's linked to messaging and they mean something and we'll write things, write things, Ollie doesn't write things down often, but she'll write down dreams and she goes to psychics and as she has done previously and they've been very accurate in, in, um in her life or they've been very good at,

16:28.68
Gareth Flavell: Wow. Okay.

16:39.35
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

16:47.42
Flav: drawing information out of her that she isn't aware she's like Darren Brown.

16:49.34
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

16:51.92
Flav: um But yeah it's yeah, I mean, if you get something from analyzing your dreams and, or if it brings comfort like that might've done to Donna and her mum, that's a wonderful thing.

17:01.02
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

17:05.02
Gareth Flavell: What is, ah yeah, I mean, i'm kind of like, ah know I'm kind of ah saying about um whether it's relatives ah visiting or a message and stuff like that. like i'll be I'll be honest and I'll kind of, I am mainly where you are on it all.

17:21.33
Gareth Flavell: But yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to try and see if I could change your mind, and I can't. ah um what's the what's What's the weirdest dream you've ever had?

17:29.30
Flav: No, no, no.

17:33.08
Gareth Flavell: Do you remember, like, the some real fucking…

17:34.74
Flav: ah I can't remember specific dreams.

17:36.96
Gareth Flavell: are you sitting…

17:38.69
Flav: Go on, Rick.

17:41.78
Flav: go

17:42.42
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, so while while you while you have a little thing, there's a couple of dreams that stand out for me and that I always remember. And they weren't particularly horrific dreams, but it's dreams that i you know that have stayed with me.

17:58.97
Gareth Flavell: Now, the first dream, I went fishing with my dad and my cousin Ryan, and my dad caught a fish called a tench. I've been trying to catch one of these for the last three seasons, and I just can't fucking do it. And it's winding me the fuck up.

18:14.10
Gareth Flavell: Right. And they're beautiful fish, red eye, green, silky smooth scales.

18:16.03
Flav: Mm-hmm.

18:21.05
Gareth Flavell: Great fight. And my dad caught one. And I was like, and the fight was so vivid because it was trying to get into the weeds and all that lot. And, you know, we had photographs and it was really, really good.

18:32.98
Gareth Flavell: And we, we stayed the night there, got the tent out. Me and my cousin were um in one tent. My dad was in the other. I went to sleep and I woke up and the tench was next to me.

18:48.44
Gareth Flavell: And i was like, what the fuck? why's why is the tent next to me in the in the fucking tent? This is weird. And as I kind of like tried to come to, was just stroking the scales and how soft it was.

19:04.34
Gareth Flavell: And I was like, in my mind, was like I like, don't know why this tent is with me, but it it feels all right. And then my eyes, so you know, they started to kind of come around and I could see,

19:18.04
Gareth Flavell: the the white eyes of my cousin looking at me going, Rick, what are you doing? You're stroking my face.

19:26.30
Gareth Flavell: And i was like, fuck, what the fuck's happened?

19:26.81
Flav: Amazing.

19:29.27
Gareth Flavell: and I dreamt obviously so much about this tench, but it wasn't, it was my cousin it't and it was his face and I was stroking it in the middle of the night in the countryside.

19:36.26
Flav: He's sort

19:37.76
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

19:38.81
Flav: ah You're acting out. um Yeah, I do stuff like that. i talk in my sleep a lot. My missus says, um obviously I wouldn't be aware of that. My ex-girlfriend would sleepwalk all the time, Amelia.

19:53.24
Flav: she would um shoot She would walk in and she was fast asleep.

19:53.09
Gareth Flavell: That's…

19:57.14
Flav: oh In sleep, but sort of her eyes open. And she'd come in and sort of start feeling the walls as if there's like, she was dreaming something and I would have to just take her back to bed.

20:09.50
Flav: That would happen five nights in seven probably.

20:13.40
Gareth Flavell: Fuck off, really?

20:16.12
Flav: Yeah. It's hard if you got used to it in the end, but it used to be quite creepy because you'd be in bed and you'd hear her get up and start walking around the flat, but she'd be fast asleep.

20:22.68
Gareth Flavell: Oh my god, that freaked me out.

20:26.65
Flav: Yeah.

20:26.95
Gareth Flavell: That's horrible.

20:28.17
Flav: I don't have any dreams I specifically remember, but i they're the same themes that have come up lots and lots and lots. Like… um

20:39.80
Flav: The, ah so sharks naturally. i dream a lot about um sharks in my dreams.

20:44.07
Gareth Flavell: wh-

20:46.67
Flav: Great whites. They can be like different colors, like brown, green, blue. And it's, there's like, they're never like, I don't know.

20:57.94
Flav: It's not like them being attacked by them, but they're they're there. They're in my dreams. um i often dream about being in really high precarious places. So I'll have to, I'll be climbing, um

21:07.78
Gareth Flavell: Oh, God.

21:12.54
Flav: like i'll be at the top of a statue or, ah or not, or, or a mountainside and there's a really narrow pass and I have to go through that narrow pass to get to the bit that's safe, but I have to do this bit. And I'm in my dream, absolutely terrified that I can't do like, so I got i really like heights.

21:33.53
Flav: Really? I don't think anyone should like heights. People are comfortable with heights. of Freaks in my opinion.

21:39.51
Gareth Flavell: Oh, mate, when I see reels, like the things like, you know where people are doing…

21:39.94
Flav: Uh,

21:44.71
Gareth Flavell: um It's kind of like, part I mean, I suppose it is parkour, but they're on like at the top of massive tower blocks and they're jump there and they're just jumping between tower blocks.

21:51.54
Flav: Yeah. Free climbing.

21:56.36
Gareth Flavell: There's a massive drop, but they, you know, they can they can make that leap or they are on a cliff face. Yeah. Free climbing, um but but they're okay. But you see their, like their camera footage and looking down and like, I actually feel a tingle in my stomach and I'm like, I feel like I can't look at the screen. It's fucking horrible.

22:17.02
Flav: the the the The bit…

22:22.10
Flav: the the bit The bit that freaks me out when they go up there is that when they build the beds and they plank that they they they put the beds into the clock…

22:28.54
Gareth Flavell: yeah yeah

22:30.94
Flav: and And then they just sleep there. Like there isn't like a fucking thousand foot drop beneath them. They're fucking sick in the head.

22:35.29
Gareth Flavell: ah

22:37.48
Flav: I dream about that quite a lot. Dream about higher higher places. What else is there? was One other thing. remember where it was now. um But yes, I'll have dream specific stuff. I remember as a kid specifically dreaming about Child's Play quite a lot. The Chucky doll.

22:55.67
Gareth Flavell: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

22:56.31
Flav: um I used to dream that the…

22:57.01
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

22:58.42
Flav: Do remember Art Attack? And you had Morph.

23:00.73
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah

23:03.51
Flav: Yeah, moreph I dreamed that thousands of morphs were coming to get me when they all had knives.

23:09.38
Gareth Flavell: that's fucking meant so

23:11.26
Flav: Yeah, I used to be terrified of morph when I was a kid. You know what I didn't like? i didn't like inanimate objects coming to life as when I was a kid. It was like a really big scary thing for mine.

23:20.15
Gareth Flavell: Right. Okay.

23:20.63
Flav: So Chucky was like my worst nightmare. And for some reason, morph would… Some people don't know, but morph was like a little… It was like a stop-motion character. Yeah.

23:30.36
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Stop motion, orange clay character.

23:32.79
Flav: Yeah, made up made out of Play-Doh clay.

23:33.20
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

23:36.22
Flav: And he didn't speak, he just went… Like that. That's how you would communicate. and honestly, as a kid, he scared the life out of me. I remember vividly, he was a kid watching it on the TV going, and this is designed for children, going, that's the scariest thing I've ever seen.

23:53.77
Gareth Flavell: It's so odd that that scared you.

23:56.95
Flav: Yeah.

23:57.53
Gareth Flavell: What was that?

23:57.88
Flav: Yeah, did.

23:58.17
Gareth Flavell: Like, what what you know, what the um the dreaming of the the kind of narrow being up high, like what it's like trying to understand what what does that mean?

24:10.25
Gareth Flavell: Like processing from the day or you think it's a like um like you were saying, part of a…

24:15.94
Flav: it's more of a deep-rooted fear.

24:18.07
Gareth Flavell: Right…

24:19.80
Flav: ah don't know why I don't know why. why comes up so often in my dreams. um Because I would never put myself in that situation. Maybe it's my brain saying, remember, this is scary. This is something you need to be avoiding.

24:35.70
Flav: um Not because he yeah can it's not a premonition to my future. It's just saying, remember, heights are dangerous.

24:41.94
Gareth Flavell: yeah

24:43.91
Flav: You know this. I don't know.

24:46.17
Gareth Flavell: oh so So we spoke earlier, didn't we?

24:46.52
Flav: Maybe it's that.

24:49.21
Gareth Flavell: say that Threat simulation. Maybe it's like trying to…

24:51.80
Flav: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

24:53.40
Gareth Flavell: Fuck.

24:54.15
Flav: That makes complete sense. Yeah. Threat simulation.

24:56.30
Gareth Flavell: Rah, that does. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

24:58.14
Flav: just reminding you that don't go up. Don't start climbing up ladders up the side of the houses and kids are going fall off.

25:07.19
Gareth Flavell: I had this really weird dream and I've told you this story before, but but not the dream part of it. So I was playing football in my mate's back garden. We were playing World Cup doubles.

25:17.78
Gareth Flavell: And as we were playing, um there was the noticeable stench of shit. um And someone had either trodden in dog shit or shit their pants. and We didn't know which one it was. And my mate said to me, Rick,

25:33.53
Gareth Flavell: I need to speak to you a second, but I want to speak to you away from this lot. Can you come into my garden shed? So yeah, sure. So i went into his garden shed and he pulled his pants down and there was an absolute Lincoln logger in there.

25:46.12
Gareth Flavell: Right. ah

25:47.23
Flav: Oh, my God. How has he done that?

25:47.99
Gareth Flavell: ah i't I don't know. It's just, just laying there in his pants. And he just said, it's only a little one.

25:52.54
Flav: What, a big poo?

25:53.18
Gareth Flavell: It wasn't yet a big poo, an actual big long poo. And he pulled his pants up and he just carried on playing football. We're in his back garden.

26:02.42
Flav: Why did he show you that?

26:04.71
Gareth Flavell: don't know. I think it was just to get a confirmation that maybe it was it was a bit small and it was okay that he had done it.

26:06.74
Flav: What did he hope that you…

26:11.03
Gareth Flavell: Or maybe because I was saying, God, it stinks of shit here. Maybe it was to stop me saying it stinks of shit because I knew where the shit was coming from.

26:23.86
Flav: ah Why didn't he just go and have a poo?

26:26.42
Gareth Flavell: I don't know. he was just so into it. Didn't want to lose his World Cup doubles match or something. Fucking weird. But the dream that i had, same guy, same situation,

26:37.56
Gareth Flavell: But he, poo just kept coming out of his mouth and we couldn't stop this poo coming out of his mouth.

26:43.32
Flav: ah

26:44.58
Gareth Flavell: it is so weird.

26:45.78
Flav: Yeah.

26:45.74
Gareth Flavell: And ah no matter what we tried, it was just out, just pouring out of his mouth.

26:46.46
Flav: Yeah.

26:50.94
Gareth Flavell: And in the end, I got a screwdriver and the heavy handle bit of it, and I was holding the the thin skinny metal bit. I ah knocked it on his head and the poo stopped coming out. like, what?

27:02.74
Gareth Flavell: what What is that dream? It stayed with me for years. And I just think, how is that?

27:07.79
Flav: Fuck knows.

27:08.15
Gareth Flavell: look

27:08.71
Flav: don't know. it just It's just going back to that that moment of very vivid memory that you've you remember, I guess.

27:09.78
Gareth Flavell: that

27:15.70
Flav: And the your brain, I don't know, man. fuck knows. I don't know.

27:20.61
Gareth Flavell: Dreams are fucking so weird, man. like um

27:22.94
Flav: They are mental. Yeah.

27:24.09
Gareth Flavell: Like, just going back to your nightmares one.

27:27.42
Flav: Yeah.

27:27.26
Gareth Flavell: So ah my heavy one, heavy, heavy, was always about Polgeist, always has, probably always will be. And I remember ah back in the day, Freddy Krueger.

27:40.28
Gareth Flavell: And because when you go to sleep, wasn't it? that That's when he would come. um

27:46.87
Flav: m

27:46.68
Gareth Flavell: and ah just not being able to go to sleep because he would be there.

27:49.94
Flav: That's right. Yeah.

27:52.52
Gareth Flavell: And then when I was asleep and i was it was my dreams, he was there. And I was like, fuck, like this is the film actually happening. And then I'd wake up in my bed and I was fine. But for a good six weeks, it was a nightmare trying to get to sleep. But generally when I'm having a a nightmare,

28:15.93
Gareth Flavell: I don't have nightmares like that. What I would probably describe as my nightmare um currently, and maybe this is the thing of like the stuff playing on your mind. Well, I don't think it does play on my mind, but it it' somehow festers as dreams of my Mrs. cheating on me.

28:38.10
Flav: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had that as well. That's insecurities, isn't it?

28:40.60
Gareth Flavell: And yeah.

28:41.75
Flav: That's fear.

28:44.53
Flav: that's that's That's what that is. It's your your brain, like threat protection, ah your greatest fears. Like these subconscious, you have to kind of deal with them, right? You can't ignore them. And they're in all of our subconscious. I've i've dreamt of my wife cheating on me several times.

29:04.70
Flav: um Never me cheating on her. Always her cheating on me.

29:07.70
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

29:08.63
Flav: at And um actually, that I think even in times where I'm about to have sex with someone else in my dream, I stop or wake up. That happens quite a lot.

29:19.48
Gareth Flavell: Right. Okay.

29:21.37
Flav: um So what I'm saying is I'd never do anything bad in my dreams.

29:26.63
Gareth Flavell: But.

29:28.31
Flav: um Yeah, but e I think that's bat it's about fear, Rick. But you have to process these things. Otherwise, they can kind of fester, think.

29:35.26
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. ah But like when I wake up in the morning and obviously it's, I know it hasn't happened, but I have this deep kind of feeling that it has.

29:37.41
Flav: Hmm.

29:46.97
Gareth Flavell: And I'll be in the mood of her and then she'll go to me.

29:50.47
Flav: Genuinely, Lee.

29:50.61
Gareth Flavell: You've had, you've had a dream.

29:51.47
Flav: You're genuinely being…

29:52.86
Gareth Flavell: Like you what?

29:53.50
Flav: yeah Are you actually an angry other?

29:53.62
Gareth Flavell: No, not, not, like no, no, no, i'm not angry with her, but I'm distant.

29:59.03
Flav: Yeah.

30:00.02
Gareth Flavell: You know, it's like, and and then she'll like, she'll be like, you're right.

30:00.86
Flav: What?

30:03.66
Gareth Flavell: And I'm like yeah, yeah, fine. And then she'll say, have you had a dream about me cheating on you again? And I'm like, yeah, have. And then she'll be like, yes, yeah she's like, you're a twat.

30:10.04
Flav: Yeah, I have. It's not my fault, is it?

30:13.13
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I know. But I don't know. i don't know. but It just makes me so, ah I don't know. Like you're saying, I am…

30:22.38
Flav: I guess it… Yeah. Sorry.

30:24.82
Gareth Flavell: i am I am like distant, but there's no, obviously there's no reason for me to be like that, but maybe it's that feeling into that fear of that.

30:36.91
Gareth Flavell: It could happen or I don't know. i don't know what it is.

30:40.79
Flav: Yeah, well, I guess the feeling the distant feeling you'd be feeling after, the you know, the morning afterward be, it still feels real in the dream, even though you know your missus hasn't done anything wrong.

30:52.34
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

30:52.73
Flav: ah it's the it's so It's a so snapshot of what it might be like, and it still hurts, because you can kind of realise, it's like when you imagine, i don't know if you do this, but I imagine what it might be like to lose my wife, like if something bad happened to her and what my life would be like.

31:07.45
Gareth Flavell: Oh, God, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:09.81
Flav: So I think we all do it. um And I feel real emotion when I'm thinking about that, even though it's not real.

31:15.72
Gareth Flavell: Mm, yeah.

31:17.08
Flav: So in the same way that when you're dreaming, that emotion, even though your missus hasn't done anything, e you feel, um yes you experience some of what what it might be like if she had, think that's where it comes from.

31:33.57
Flav: That's what it is.

31:33.46
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I'm not into that. um I remember a time when, i might be mistaken, bah ah lucid dreaming.

31:45.37
Gareth Flavell: So like lucid dreaming is where you're all fully aware that you're dreaming, but you can control what you dream. And I remember, didn't you go for a stage of like going to bed and being like, right, i fucking I'm getting after this?

31:51.03
Flav: Yeah.

31:57.11
Gareth Flavell: then you weren Weren't you double dropping magnesium tablets or something?

31:58.33
Flav: ah was Spooky, spooky, but… Yeah, no, it's mainly spooky. He was into it.

32:04.18
Gareth Flavell: if

32:04.64
Flav: um yeah so But you mentioned it to him, and you'll get 15 paragraphs probably about about it.

32:08.95
Gareth Flavell: ah

32:09.74
Flav: But, yeah, so it's the idea that you control your dreams, that you can you can make whatever you want happen, happen inside the dream. um Again, don't think it's real. think you…

32:24.12
Flav: ah

32:24.38
Gareth Flavell: What?

32:25.24
Flav: i think you've I don't think you can get to it. you I don't think you have, you can't have conscious control of your dream. You're not dreaming. It may be if you're, when you're asleep, you're shutting down. Your conscious mind is shutting down.

32:38.36
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

32:40.98
Flav: What is the control then? Because you have to be consciously aware that you're doing something. If that's impossible because you're genuinely asleep, how do you consciously control your subconscious while you're asleep?

32:52.63
Flav: To me, it doesn't mean make any sense. I have never been able to do it. I've had things where i've but dreams of things that happening that I like. um and i want more to happen and they sometimes do and other times i'll wake up and they don't happen or whatever it it might be so um yeah but yeah yeah there's this idea that people can kind of get into a state and i don't know if it's between sub the sub sleep you know that bit where you start i know where i'm going you know what did you you said something the other day when you felt a bit dribble or something on you what did you say

33:15.13
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

33:24.95
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. ah um ah ah can't remember, but…

33:31.19
Flav: you got up and you got a drink or something and then you thought, oh no, it's at my house. It was when you was at my house. Cause yeah, you was talking to me and he was, and I was like, cause you got up and you don't you'd had a fitful sleep for for obvious yeah for various reasons.

33:46.30
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

33:46.81
Flav: And then you thought it was about half four and you weren't, and you, you wasn't sure whether going be able to get any more sleep. And then all of a sudden you felt a little bit of dribble on your, on on your cheek and you went, hey lad, see later.

33:56.47
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

33:59.93
Gareth Flavell: ah

34:00.22
Flav: I'm off. Because then you knew that was like a signal for you that you was you were starting to slip into sleep.

34:07.80
Gareth Flavell: yeah

34:08.25
Flav: So my I have a signal each night where I've got my eyes closed, I feel pretty awake, and then my thoughts start to become very abstract.

34:21.46
Flav: So this is something i could I control. It just happens. So I'm just sort of half, sort of got my eyes closed and I found a comfortable position and I've sort of started to relax and let go a little bit.

34:32.50
Flav: And my I know I'm about to fall asleep. I'm conscious of this bit when I start having voluntary thoughts about… They're not thoughts. They're like, it's really hard to explain. They're like, you' you'll think of an idea that makes no sense or…

34:49.05
Gareth Flavell: yeah

34:50.42
Flav: ah it's so it's that they're so abstract these thoughts that it's impossible to articulate what they are if that makes sense but I don't remember what they are I just remember this thing happening and then pretty much as soon as that happens as long as my conscious brain doesn't start ticking I start worrying about something I'm gone yeah

34:56.02
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that does make sense.

35:10.65
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, and is that that's… ah So when you… But does that… I guess you're so used to it though. Does that not panic you? That you're like, you're having like these kind of LSD trippy, like, fuck, I'm thinking about something weird there.

35:26.74
Flav: No, it's not that though, because I know what that is.

35:27.00
Gareth Flavell: Or is it more of a comfort that, you know, you're going into sleep?

35:31.18
Flav: it's not It's more like, it it's more like ah it's like shutting down. It's fucking hard does it to explain.

35:36.18
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

35:38.29
Flav: It's like half thoughts. That's what it's like. It's like you're having half thoughts that don't make any sense. And It's almost your conscious letting go and handing over to the subconscious.

35:51.27
Flav: That's what it feels like. ah no I don't know what that feels like, but that's how I would describe what was happening.

35:54.58
Gareth Flavell: the

35:56.57
Flav: So yeah.

35:58.71
Gareth Flavell: sight

35:58.97
Flav: um So that's why I know um I'm falling to asleep.

36:02.58
Gareth Flavell: with with bloody hell i've got a fucking frog in my throat probably got a fly in my throat fucking thousands of them in here um where the uh the dribble and And that's how I know I'm fucking and nearly home, nearly home.

36:14.26
Flav: Yeah.

36:17.55
Gareth Flavell: Have you ever woken yourself up from either snoring or one of the um one of the best ones I've done? I've done this quite a few times. and It's always so embarrassing because my missus is sitting right there where I've had a heavy day of it. Maybe I've been at the football and I've been drinking or I've been fishing. I've been out in the sun all day.

36:38.42
Gareth Flavell: um whatever it is. And as I'm dozing off, I'll go into this state of dreaming or whatever. And then I'll wake up to the sound of me laughing.

36:49.22
Gareth Flavell: Like, it's just so, and then my missus is like, youre what are you laughing at?

36:49.85
Flav: Yeah. Yeah.

36:53.93
Gareth Flavell: What are you doing? And I'm like, Oh fuck, like shit. I've got to try and explain this. What's going on. Or or I'm laying there and then I'll wake up and she's looking at me. She's like, You're dating off on the sofa, but you're smiling like you're giggling to yourself.

37:08.81
Gareth Flavell: Right. Right.

37:10.14
Flav: well I talk a lot, apparently. And I can hear myself laughing sometimes. And then I'll feel myself but then then ill film myself do a laugh.

37:16.41
Gareth Flavell: ah

37:21.72
Flav: Like I'm doing it, but I'm still sort of dreaming. So i'm sort of forcing out.

37:25.62
Gareth Flavell: right

37:26.35
Flav: Weird. Again, difficult to articulate.

37:30.39
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, my my eldest, but when I'm laying in bed at night, I can hear her talking to herself. Fucking well weird. I hate it. Do you like, and again as well, um ah sleep paralysis.

37:40.45
Flav: funny.

37:42.86
Gareth Flavell: you You ever experienced that?

37:47.67
Flav: ah No, you haven't. I've seen… So my brother Ryan has… ah He's got a form of epilepsy where he he has episodes during the eat during the night. He's on he's on tablets now. that They're under control. But when ah when we were a kid, when he was… i would have been like 14, 15. I'd stay over. So he's my half-brother, right? So have different mums.

38:08.57
Flav: But we'd stay over at his house during the summer. And he would be… um have They're not like fits. They're like…

38:21.90
Flav: He'd be like talking, sleeping, and he'd sit upright and he'd be rubbing his eyes.

38:24.25
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

38:26.89
Flav: And he'd sometimes have a day. You've probably seen him do them.

38:29.69
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

38:30.30
Flav: Like I say, he doesn't have them anymore, but he would he'd he'd he'd basically have to cover his eyes and he'd go into like a waking dream or a or or it it brain would be firing.

38:30.53
Gareth Flavell: remember. Yeah, yeah.

38:43.10
Flav: So he'd he'd have to hold hiss arm over his eyes for a few seconds and then it it would just come back around and he'd fuck. Like that. um So he'd have them during the night. so that And I don't know what he sees.

38:56.69
Flav: And he can't articulate it. But he's in that moment, can't do anything other than go through what he's going through. don't know if it's the same as sleep paralysis. I've never, I've heard people say that they've had it.

39:07.75
Flav: I've never seen it happen. I don't, I don't really believe in either.

39:15.00
Gareth Flavell: we I remember but but um back in the day, we used to call them day terrors that ah when when your brother was having them.

39:15.54
Flav: But I don't want go on.

39:22.30
Flav: Yeah.

39:24.79
Gareth Flavell: um And I get i guess, so was there the diagnosis early that he had epilepsy? Was it later later on in life?

39:31.73
Flav: No, like like in, in um I don't think he started taking tablets late in his 30s.

39:37.98
Gareth Flavell: Right, okay, yeah, that makes sense then.

39:40.95
Flav: Apparently just you see Paris is a very real scientifically documented phenomenon.

39:45.82
Gareth Flavell: Right. Sleep paralysis. i I have had an episode of it. I've only had one and it was so fucking scary. Honestly, um i was at my um grandparents' villa in Spain.

40:01.08
Gareth Flavell: um My mum and my sister were in the room with me. They were on the single beds and I had an airbed between them. Now, my dad always says about um ghosts, my nan and grandparents and my family are all very spiritual, believe in ghosts and visits and all stuff like that. And he used to freak me the fuck out because I'm, you know, petrified of that stuff, right? But when I was asleep and I i woke up,

40:33.11
Gareth Flavell: And I could feel a weight on my legs. And my dad has had that. He's told a similar experience where he said he felt a weight on his legs. He saw a bright light and he tried to punch it. His first thing was he was throwing hands at whatever it was. And was like, that's fucking mental. But… um But I felt this weight on my legs and it felt like something was in the room with me, something was sitting on my legs and I tried my best to move my arms and move everything to get my mum's attention, to help me, or to to do anything.

41:09.46
Gareth Flavell: And I couldn't move anything, but I was… I was awake. And then i tried to speak to my mum to say something was happening, tried to vocalise something. And I remember that all that was coming out of my mouth was just… And i was like…

41:27.64
Gareth Flavell: fuck, like, I can't even talk to her. I'm just mumbling, making, it's not even a proper noise that's coming out. And I was just, it was like I was stuck in my body, being awake, and just feeling this weight on my body, feeling that something was there or was in the room, or I i don't know. It was the weirdest thing. And then I came to and I could move my arms and then that was it. I was just fucking freaked out and didn't go to sleep for the night.

41:55.93
Gareth Flavell: But… that was Sorry, that was a like early morning, but I just don't like, okay, we can say that um it's your body shutting down or like I'm half in a dream state or whatever, but it was so real and I was so awake.

42:14.93
Gareth Flavell: Do you know what i mean? i I cannot explain it.

42:17.40
Flav: Yeah, well, is this I've just been reading while you've been talking there. and It says the science behind it. So you go into REM atonia, which is dreaming in REM sleep. Your brain paralyzes your muscles to keep you safe.

42:31.54
Flav: So you don't sort of act out what you're dreaming. The glitch.

42:34.04
Gareth Flavell: Good.

42:34.60
Flav: During sleep paralysis, this paralysis lingers into wakefulness. You are fully conscious but unable to move, speak or open your eyes. Yeah. Hallucinations. Because you are caught between dreaming and waking, your brain can project vivid, often terrifying hallucinations, visual, auditory or sensory, into your real environment.

42:53.72
Flav: So, that's it Is your brain projecting what?

42:54.94
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I mean…

42:58.84
Flav: Something that looks completely real, but it's coming from your brain. According to the National Institute of Health..gov.gov

43:02.94
Gareth Flavell: So so that Right, okay. Well, that may I mean, that does make me feel a little bit little bit better that there wasn't a ghost sitting on me.

43:08.02
Flav: toov

43:11.86
Flav: You're not going to, as an adult, you would go you wouldn't go back. I know you're not going back there anymore, but you didn't go to bed worrying about that, did you?

43:19.83
Gareth Flavell: little bit. Yeah, little bit. I didn't want that. um What I will say, the last thing as well, um the so like part of that, the brain protection and all that lot, do you ever do that thing where you're where you're drifting off to sleep and then you jolt?

43:36.57
Gareth Flavell: You just laying there.

43:37.69
Flav: Yeah, or like you'll kick out a leg. ah ah So often I'm kicking a ball and my leg will kick.

43:39.37
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

43:43.22
Flav: Something like that, yeah. So there's like ah there's like a link, isn't there, between…

43:46.58
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it's something to do with that you're falling asleep too fast and your brain thinks you're dying or something like that. So it it it kicks in to ah give you a little ah gives you a little word little charge where you kick out to say, no, no, no, I'm not dying.

43:57.94
Flav: Right.

44:04.02
Gareth Flavell: I'm i'm still here. Everything's still working. Apparently that's what that is. But I mean, don't fucking really know. ah We… I did put out a request for people to send in their dreams. And normally when I put out a request, I'll get a few emails.

44:19.61
Gareth Flavell: But can I just say to the lads community, thank you so much to the call out I did for sending in your dreams because you've sent a fuckload in and I'm going to read some of them out now.

44:34.30
Gareth Flavell: Hi, Ricky and Flav. My recurring dream, which I have about once a month, is that I have coursework due at university and I'm about to miss the deadline. I left university 15 years ago.

44:47.99
Gareth Flavell: Now, I'm no expert, but I think that means that I have no interest in returning to further education. i mean… No, don't think that is that you've got no interest into returning a further education.

45:03.22
Gareth Flavell: think it's probably, I don't know, scared about deadlines that you keep missing or or that there's a looming kind of deadline.

45:10.90
Flav: Yeah, I had that.

45:14.01
Gareth Flavell: What, like universe that you kept really?

45:15.00
Flav: yeah Yeah, I yeah, I'd leave everything till late and it was stressful. And I definitely don't want to go back to future education ever, because ah partly because of deadlines and essays.

45:25.71
Gareth Flavell: No.

45:27.47
Flav: like

45:27.64
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

45:28.44
Flav: I remember sitting there going, this is a load of shit. i I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I'm here because well everyone told me to come here. So I'm here for three years now and I'm gonna write a silly essay and I get my stupid degree. It's gonna make no difference at all when it didn't, actually didn't get my degree, I left in the year three, still paying for that.

45:48.66
Gareth Flavell: ah Fuck.

45:49.24
Flav: Stupid fucking, actually I've actually paid off my student loan.

45:53.21
Gareth Flavell: That's good.

45:53.82
Flav: Finally, is it?

45:54.78
Gareth Flavell: Finally. Well, I mean, it's good that you've paid it off, but I mean, you know, um um I will not be advising my daughters to go to university or heavily lean on you must go to university a because X, Y, Z, whatever.

46:00.97
Flav: Hmm.

46:06.86
Flav: It's very expensive these days.

46:12.47
Gareth Flavell: Right, ah next one. Dreams. I have three vivid nightmares. One of my dreams I had 25 years ago when I worked for my uncle involved traveling across the country in a trailer he had.

46:25.05
Gareth Flavell: i had a bunk that I referred to as my coffin. One night I dreamt that I was in a coffin. As I was sleeping, I put my hand on the ceiling and I felt it.

46:35.65
Gareth Flavell: I went crazy and started punching and clawing like the ultimate warrior when the undertaker put him in one. Finally, I came to my senses and realized that I was just in bed.

46:47.06
Gareth Flavell: Another dream I had involved waking up in a bunk in a jail cell. I was sitting there depressed, not knowing what I had done to get there. It felt so real and I would never want to be in that situation. that is a fucking horrible dream.

47:02.46
Flav: Yeah.

47:03.03
Gareth Flavell: another recurring dream is that my wife leaves me and I'm alone. I see her, but she won't speak to me. i don't know the circumstances, but I feel the emotions of when I wake up.

47:15.13
Gareth Flavell: My wife is my everything and I wouldn't know what I'd do without her. That could have been written by me. Fucking hell, man.

47:21.87
Flav: I mean.

47:22.97
Gareth Flavell: Oh my God. The prison one. That's horrible.

47:28.22
Flav: my When my wife's coming home and she does late shifts and she comes home at half nine, those are the worst days. The best days are when she does early shifts. not she She has to get up at 5 a.m., but I'm still asleep. So she comes back by about half three. Those are the best ones.

47:41.37
Flav: I don't know what I'd do. i dont I don't know what I'd

47:44.47
Gareth Flavell: we would, yeah, we just have to, yeah, I don't know. just be living in solitude, really. Just me my me and the girls. That's it.

47:53.44
Flav: Yeah.

47:53.46
Gareth Flavell: Done. Put line in it.

47:54.71
Flav: Yeah.

47:55.01
Gareth Flavell: Done. Done.

47:57.08
Flav: dealing with that just a minute yeah no go on

47:56.98
Gareth Flavell: Right, next,

48:00.34
Gareth Flavell: ah ah ah Next one. This is what this is. I enjoyed this one. So at the risk of sounding wanky, I'm an actor. And when I when I'm mid job, I get some fucking weird and intense dreams pertinent to what I'm doing. When I played Macbeth, I had night terrors.

48:20.34
Gareth Flavell: And most fucked up, I played a man called Nathan Leopold, who, with his lover, Richard Lieb, kidnapped and murdered a child. Fascinating and horrifying story.

48:32.22
Gareth Flavell: Anyway, when playing this part after a few months, I had a dream where whereas I was in in the car with them just after they'd done a murder. They were smiling at each other, smug as fuck.

48:43.58
Gareth Flavell: It was intense.

48:44.07
Flav: Tana Mada.

48:46.43
Gareth Flavell: But the next night I dreamt I was back at my primary school where there was a field and a sort of sports storage hut at the back. We used to go behind there to smoke and try to unsuccessfully chat up girls from other schools there.

49:02.26
Gareth Flavell: I dreamed that some of the boys were telling me they wanted to show me something behind the fence. So I went with them. And there was a dead boy on the ground who was basically blue, frozen solid.

49:14.97
Gareth Flavell: We then all proceeded to piss on him, slowly thawing him out and steam coming off him.

49:18.44
Flav: What?

49:21.62
Gareth Flavell: How fucked up is that? I woke up thinking I had to change careers. Cheers, lads. Love the pod. You're both brilliant. ah I mean, like, that that is fucking…

49:32.28
Flav: That is brilliant. What fuck is that all about? You do do wake up sometimes and you think, what in God's fucking name is did that, where did that come from? I um i often have such terrible nightmares.

49:40.95
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

49:44.87
Flav: i have to wake myself up and I can wake myself up and I'm genuinely afraid. Like in my in my dreams, I'm so scared. And then I wake myself up and I feel, I wake up scared.

49:58.36
Flav: And then i have to keep myself awake long enough so I don't slip back into the dream. so if i And I can't. If I close my eyes and I start to go again, I go back into that dream again.

50:09.88
Gareth Flavell: Oh my god, mate, that sounds horrible. how do you wake yourself up?

50:12.92
Flav: You've never had that.

50:13.91
Gareth Flavell: No!

50:17.05
Flav: i don't I don't know. I can. I can always wet myself up in a dream. like when i think oh I'll suddenly like switch. I'll go, oh, fuck, this isn't real. And then dream. Or I'll dream something. like I think I dreamt that I'd i'd hit

50:33.50
Flav: So it's like ah it's really hard to remember. But I'd done something and I'd been cancelled and everybody knew what I'd done, but I was still having to go through the same processes of what I'd normally do, like go and get booked for jobs and stuff.

50:46.65
Flav: And I would… and But people or people knew what I'd done. was terrible what I'd done. i don't i don't know what it was. And then i woke woke up and I thought that was the reality. And then I woke up and it was like, oh, Christ, that was just a dream, thank Christ.

51:00.76
Gareth Flavell: listen There's some people that can dream, they can wake up and then they'll go back to bed and that dream will carry on

51:09.31
Flav: Well, that's what just said. That's what happens. If I'm having a nightmare and I wake myself up and if I don't stay awake, I only stay awake for about a minute and then I might dream something else.

51:19.96
Flav: But if I fall back to sleep, I go straight back into the nightmare.

51:23.08
Gareth Flavell: Oh, I see what he's saying. Fucking hell. Oh my God, that is disgusting. Jesus Christ.

51:29.01
Flav: Yeah.

51:30.17
Gareth Flavell: Right, we'll do the last one. ah this this This is a belter as well. Hey, lads, cannot tell you how much I love the pod. My best friend got me into it around a year ago, and we'd love listening in and sharing a laugh on a Monday. Well, thank you very much.

51:46.52
Gareth Flavell: When I heard you were talking about dreams, I just had to email in. For about two years now, I've been keeping a dream diary. If I wake up and can't remember it, in brackets, usually because it's absolutely fucking mental, then I jot it down in my notes app.

52:01.53
Flav: Yeah. so

52:03.77
Gareth Flavell: I have around 35 now, but this has to be the most bizarre of them all. Number eight. Danny Dyer's Minecraft Nightmare, 20th of August, 2024.

52:14.84
Flav: but

52:19.70
Gareth Flavell: ah I killed Danny Dyer's kid and then ran away before I thought anyone would find out. ah Suddenly, my life turned into Minecraft, so I went into creative mode and flew across the ocean.

52:35.06
Gareth Flavell: i eventually stopped and dug a hole at this spot and buried myself in the ground. There was a mass search party out for me and loads of famous people were trying to find me.

52:42.26
Flav: I'm

52:47.10
Gareth Flavell: i was found pretty quickly by a fitness influencer I follow on Instagram. ah he had He had looked at a map like you get in Minecraft and it revealed my location.

52:54.05
Flav: sorry.

52:59.67
Gareth Flavell: I'd forgotten to crouch which hide your name tag on the game. So he found me easily underground. I'm not always killing in my dream. I promise. However, I do get up to some pretty weird stuff. Let me know if you want to, if you want me to send in any more, love the pod, keep it up.

53:18.20
Gareth Flavell: That was, yeah.

53:18.76
Flav: I'd like to hear more.

53:20.06
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

53:20.34
Flav: That was great.

53:20.78
Gareth Flavell: yeah

53:21.18
Flav: That's exactly the but how mental dreams can be.

53:23.00
Gareth Flavell: ah

53:23.73
Flav: No, you said you killed Danny Dyer's son, ran away, turned into Minecraft. You've flown across the sea, then dug a hole. And because you didn't crouch, your fitness instructor that you follow on Instagram found you really easily by looking at the map.

53:37.11
Gareth Flavell: egg

53:41.08
Flav: Make it make sense. Like what does that for people who believe there's some spiritual connection?

53:42.95
Gareth Flavell: oh fucking hell

53:45.40
Flav: Tell me what that means.

53:48.18
Gareth Flavell: the it's the bit the funny thing I don't know why it made me laugh so much the it the ah the gym fitness influencer he's the guy that found him you'd be like for fuck's sake what are you doing here what have you grasped me in ah ah

54:05.56
Flav: Let's go to you.

54:08.61
Gareth Flavell: Oh, fucking hell. Right. We are going to go into something only you know, and it's called Working It. The topic for next week is monsters of the ocean, colossal and giant squid, orcas, blue whale, lion's mane, jellyfish.

54:26.69
Gareth Flavell: And obviously like the news, we haven't spoken about this news, but we need to, the great white shark in the Mediterranean, Flav, um and any other weapons of the sea.

54:35.42
Flav: Yeah.

54:37.70
Gareth Flavell: Have you had an uncomfortable encounter, sting or bite, close encounter, Send it in ladsanonpod at gmail.com and we will read out.

54:50.26
Gareth Flavell: And now we are going to go into…

54:58.31
Gareth Flavell: Jingles not playing, brilliant.

55:06.49
Gareth Flavell: Working it. Just thought of this story and thought you and Flav might get a kick out of it. When my wife and I were pregnant with our first kid, we were having dinner with my parents and they were warning us that there would be a lot of unsolicited parenting advice coming our way.

55:24.82
Gareth Flavell: My mum said some of the weirdest advice she got was from her paternal grandmother. She told my mum of the importance for mothers with baby boys to work them while changing their diapers whilst making a tiny wanking motion with her fingers.

55:46.26
Gareth Flavell: My mum even illustrated the motion my grandpa my grandma used

55:46.84
Flav: What?

55:51.77
Gareth Flavell: I was laughing at the absurdity of it all and turned to my dad telling him, geez, dad, you used to get jerked off from grandma. my My dad didn't think it was very funny.

56:01.76
Flav: What?

56:03.28
Gareth Flavell: And my mom assured me that ah that was most certain that advice was not taken.

56:06.01
Flav: lo

56:09.91
Gareth Flavell: And that is something only I know. that ah That is the first.

56:14.73
Flav: What did she call it? You have to work the kids.

56:16.57
Gareth Flavell: You have to work him. don't know why. don't know where.

56:20.62
Flav: That's fucking weird.

56:21.69
Gareth Flavell: That is, that is, um you know, that's um that's real back in the day kind of, I don't know.

56:28.20
Flav: not right.

56:31.06
Gareth Flavell: I don't even know what that is. Why would you need to do that?

56:34.13
Flav: You

56:35.48
Gareth Flavell: That is…

56:35.77
Flav: ah but no you you wouldn't you wouldn't need to.

56:35.99
Gareth Flavell: That

56:38.49
Flav: It's just fucking weird. Wank off a kid. What makes no sense?

56:41.94
Gareth Flavell: ah dies To work them as well. Good Lord. Right. Okay. That will do us for this week of Lads Anonymous. Topic for next week is monsters of the ocean. Send in your stuff.

56:54.84
Gareth Flavell: If you want more of this, sign up to Patreon, patreon.com slash ladsanonpod. um And until then, we will see you next Monday.

57:07.61
Flav: See ya. Bye.

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Go.

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We put this festival on, you bastards with a lot of love. We work for one year for you pigs. And you want to break our walls down, but you want to destroy it. Will you go to hell? Don't ever. Man. And, Mate. Are you, are you getting a bit of mate? Did you? Do you know, I said I sent I sent you that this morning.

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I know you did. So I saw. I didn't know if that was just a coincidence. I thought I'd never seen the original footage when, you know. No, never. The first time I saw, I thought I was educating you, but obviously not. It's, It was great. The great? The one of the weaker albums of this giant gas packet.

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It's got gas panic on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's got it's got a couple of bangers on there, but it isn't my. If I'm listening lists. Oasis. I don't run to stand on the shoulders of giants. No, no, I wouldn't either. I did listen to it loads when it came out. My big mouth and my God.

00:01:06:03 – 00:01:27:19
Yeah, I put on my shoes while I'm walking slowly down the Hall of Fame. Yeah, that's on that, isn't it? Yes it is. Yeah it is, I'm pretty sure is that they all just like rolling into one now. I mean, after, Which corner? What's the story? You kind of get a bit lost in it. Oh, have you been.

00:01:27:21 – 00:01:56:01
I've done. Because obviously my algo is fucking Oasis, isn't it? Obviously. So this week I've been while I've been scrolling. There's been a lot of people outside Cardiff's. Is it the Principality Stadium? Is that the first one? Cardiff. Is it? So as we're recording it is Friday the 4th of July and it's tonight and it's tonight. The first Oasis gig.

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The first reunion back is happening in Cardiff tonight. Now during the week there has been a few people and they've been standing outside Cardiff Stadium and they have been obviously filming themselves, but they can hear the soundchecks go in and yeah, so you can just hear it rumble in the background and I'm like, you know what? It was building up to it.

00:02:21:04 – 00:02:45:12
I tried to get tickets. I couldn't get tickets. I'd love to go. I love Oasis, but I'm at a stage. Well, I thought I was at a stage where I've been to, I don't know, I've been. See, Oasis maybe eight times or something like that. I've even gone to ruin near Paris to go and see them with my mates and I'm 42.

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I'm kind of like past that bit of my life now and where I was at that time. And I'm like, yeah, I, you know, I'd love to see them if it happens. It happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I, I'm then I've seen that stuff and I'm like fucking how I want to go. And then you sent me that fucking in the bushes in try.

00:03:04:11 – 00:03:36:24
And I was just like when you're in this stadium, right. And maybe you are there for the support acts maybe and not Kasabian are on and you're like, oh, this is call it a great laugh. You're waiting around in a peanut for a ciggie you're going to get a pint. You're looking at when are they on you on that you want to say it's not 8:10 now and then you hear that intro rocket through the stadium and everyone's just like shoves to the front and you know it's going to go on top.

00:03:37:05 – 00:04:00:17
It's going to be fucking a big, beautiful, chaotic mess. Yeah. And I was like, I want to be in that. I do, I do want to be in it. But here's the kind of caveat to it. So a lot of my mates from back in Milton Keynes, they've got tickets. They've got tickets for Sunday the 3rd of August, I believe.

00:04:00:19 – 00:04:20:22
Now I fly to Spain on Monday the 4th of August the next day. Definitely. My flight isn't. It's one definitely go to the Oasis. I think the airport spare ticket rig. There will be a spare ticket and I've already thought, do I? Do I just do it? Yeah. The old me would be. Yeah. I'll be all right.

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Yeah. Be all right with the flight. You will be all right. Fine. I'll be all right. I'll be all right. But we know I won't be all right. I mean, don't listen, Rick. Don't not listen to that voice. That voice isn't here to help. You will be fine, Rick. You're going to have a great time. Oasis. With your mates in the sun.

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I know I didn't cigarets a couple of pills. You'll be fine. What's up? You go up in the airport. You know, nine in the morning, nine in the morning. Jesus Christ from Wembley as well. I mean, oh my God, I don't want to spoil the spoiler, but we've already introduced it. The fact that this episode is about hangovers.

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Yeah, you're not great with those. So I would say that, you hundred percent have to go. I would love to hear about everything you get up to, and then you have to be at the Alpha airport from where you live. You know, it's not that bad. It's like 40 minutes. Luton. So it's not. It's not too bad.

00:05:17:04 – 00:05:37:22
40 minutes. Out. Yeah. Off. Out on no sleep. Boiling hot car B it feels sick. Yeah I know I'm trying to stay upbeat for the kids and wife. You know you don't want to look at that. No. No. Definitely not. Have all the luggage as well go the, have you got the boarding passes? Have you got the euros?

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You know, all of that. So you go to five. But also what I was going to say that obviously got my mates and that whole kind of nostalgia feel to it, that would be great if it wasn't on the day that it was. Also, my missus is never seen Oasis and I would love to go to races with her on that side.

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You have five of us go, Oh God, Jesus Christ. You know when you go on a holiday, you're going to especially my ass when you go and going on holiday and you go into the room the day before and there's suitcases and clothes everywhere. Yeah. Can you imagine doing that on my hangover? Mother and father just absolutely ruined from the day before.

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And the kids hanging out there. God, I, no, you're probably better off. You're probably better off out there, but I am. I don't care that I'm not going. It doesn't bother me. Or if someone offered me a ticket, I'd consider it. But I'm not. I'm not that bothered. But like you say, I've seen them loads of times.

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I saw them in the park, and I don't think they'll be better than that. And know my experiences of Oasis concerts. But generally there are so many fucking knobs here I just can't move for dickheads. Yeah. And so. And what? You can tolerate that in your 20s because you're one of the dickheads. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But as for me, I'll just be looking around and get me away from these people.

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I can tell it. I know, I know, that's how I'd feel. So I wouldn't be able to enjoy it, right? Yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah. I mean, even if I was just like, oh, I got four tickets, I got one for you and I'll let you. You want to go? Yeah. Go, 160 maybe if it was. Yeah I would, I would, I would if it was because if you got fame, I think you feel like if you got female energy around you, that's a positive thing.

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The older I get, I need, I need a bit of female energy. I think for my wife. Just keep me in check so I don't go off doing, you know, mental stuff. Yeah. Not drinking too much and like, like, I'm, I'm. I couldn't tell you much about Solomon. The deejay. Right. Serbian or Bosnian deejay. I can't remember which one.

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He is so pleased that we've interview Serb or Bosnian, but he's, I don't know much about him, but I know I'm going into a gig. It's a five hour long gig on on the Southbank at the, Royal Navy Academy or something like that, but it's just low tempo house music for five hours and some five hours.

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Don't know. Yeah, I think you might say I'm a know. Yeah, I think it'll be fun. Those days are normally fun. Yeah, it's just a few beers in that cost. Yeah. Quid. What is it with all these? I dunno if it's me getting old, but every gig knows hundred quid. Oh you quit, that's how much we won. And you know what?

00:08:28:20 – 00:08:46:14
Robert Smith of is it Robert Smith for the cure. It is. Yeah. He said he goes, because they don't have a manager. They don't have agents. He just deals with everything himself. He's a yeah. Him. Yeah, he's a legend. He said he you know how much it cost to go and watch the cure. 28 pound, something like that.

00:08:46:14 – 00:09:03:21
2428. Yeah. You guys, that's more than enough. It's loads of money. Yeah, loads of money. He goes, he gets messages and emails from managers of other bands saying can you, what are you doing? And he goes, what do you mean what am I doing? So you have to up your prices. Well, I have to make up your prices so you don't look bad.

00:09:03:21 – 00:09:28:18
Stop fleecing people. And that's what's happening. I mean, I mean, people will pay for the experience, but the tickets for these Oasis gigs are too expensive. Yeah, and they take McCrae too expensive. And like, when Radiohead come back, there'll be £75 plus it's, you know, like, football transfers, the, you know, average player was 30 million. And now it's like average player is 60 million.

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Yeah. Right. And it's just like gigs have gone from £30 to now. £80. It's just just what you pay. Just what you got. I think we were watching, Glasto and my daughters love Olivia Rodrigo. So obviously they were watching that. Yeah. And I sat down to watch you with them and I was like, you know, just seeing the joy in their faces and stuff.

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And then I went away to unload the dishwasher, and I could hear it in the background in the next room, but I singing along and they were singing along. And then I heard her say, I'm going to bring out a very special guest. It's Robert Smith. And I said, that's not Robert Smith from The Cure. There's no way.

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And I walked into the front room and it's on the telly. And I just went fucking oh, it's Robert Smith from The Cure. And I sat down. What was it? The robotics, I don't know. What was he doing? You know, my favorite thing from Glastonbury was when, Rod Stewart wheeled out, what's his name? Eavis. Martin. But the guy who runs the.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we hold him out in a wheelchair. So kissed him on the head when you can stay there and watch it if you want. And it was like it left. It's a sign. It's wheelchair and it's side of the state. So it was up. Michael like leaving. But I said yeah, yeah. You know, it was you.

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Was you one of the people who got furious with, the headline acts of, 1975 and, was everyone Charlie execs? I wouldn't say I was furious. No, I was most gammon I've ever been. I've never been so gammon in that moment. You know what it is? A Ricky is right. They've got to pick someone. And I guess they've got to pick someone who's going to be popular.

00:11:04:06 – 00:11:28:14
But popular doesn't mean good. It's a no when these people are objectively bad. Yeah. Like, I think if you ask 100 people, is this actually you wouldn't like, you know, the majority of people voted in Trump. The majority of people voted for the to to leave the European Union. You can't trust people. Yeah. Trust me, I'll make the right decision.

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See this. And 1 in 75 were awful. Yeah. Objectively bad. They're not they're not. It's not that they're bad musicians. It's just he's a cock. He's a cock. And I hate the music. I Ibiza a they are my modern day bands that I absolutely fucking live. Number one. Number one for me. Now, what you were saying about, the popular, it doesn't mean that they're good.

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Now, I kind of get it because they need to sell tickets and they need a they need new blood. They need people to come in and experience Glastonbury rock and roses. Now, are you old? Isn't it? It's just past. Yeah. And it's kind of like. Who is the vibe merchants on TikTok. Okay. But who are those guys that are in demand at Glastonbury is they don't have to do that.

00:12:22:17 – 00:12:40:21
They know if they put Glastonbury on sale now, Ricky, with no lineup, those tickets would sell out instantly. I've tried for 14 years to try and get tickets. Never got one. I think we talked about this last week. You never want to go. There's not. I'm demoralizing those. And then I'm picking up Instagram right. I'm looking on Instagram Lens.

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What do I see these fucking wankers going to Glastonbury and doing A5K inside Glastonbury. That is these are the people I've lost my lost out to. You should be five K. You should be face down in the mud at 5 a.m. in the morning because you can't move because there's that much ketamine running for your system. Yeah.

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Trey, that is true. But it's like not a sane if like 1975 are kind of the, is it Gen Z a weekend or whatever the next the new gen is of what music is, and they want to get that kind of audience in. Like if you were to have a ten right? And you were going to have, a spoken word, a poet, not a person of this time, or you were going to have a TikTok star, Tik Tok, you doing a live to look, I think everyone would go to VHS Tiki turkey.

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Do you know what I mean? It's like it's because it's that that's what people kind of want to see. And I like, kind of feel like that about these bands. And when you've got like these headliners and you know, they were packed enough, but they were, I don't know, I was just thinking like, well, I've seen the crowd before.

00:14:00:10 – 00:14:24:06
They were even like Elton John, Coldplay, like even like U2 or something like that. They're just not at that level. I get it, man, I get it. I'm not, you know, I'm not the punch in my TV or whatever I am, I wouldn't I was like, so Olly, Olly. So you sat down, you know, Charli XCX, she listened to a lot of radio one and, yes, I am.

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And, she was like, oh yeah, Charlie X. And I was like, honestly, I couldn't, I wouldn't, I couldn't tell you a song she made. However, the last song we played, I do recommend that because that I think that was like a big hit of hers or something. All the rest was just the terrible. It's just not shouldn't be headline.

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It shouldn't be the biggest show at Glastonbury on a Saturday night. It just I she's singing Auto-Tune. She's she's gyrating around the stage like showing her activity. But I'll get it, I'll get it. I ain't even that nice love. All right. And then, and then and then this is one of these over. It's just like, how much of the production is she?

00:15:05:04 – 00:15:26:06
Is she doing? So these are the things I was sitting there anyway. I again, I try not to get wound up by it, but I always have, I always, I always have. And, like, I'm acutely aware that music is leaving me going to music, popular music, and that it's not aimed at me. And really, it's just my own business.

00:15:26:06 – 00:15:43:02
I get that, but when it's just me and the missus and we're on on the sofa and me watching telly, she's getting both barrels and misses. She's going to hear every opinion that I have. I have. But anyway, listen, she goes, I'm looking forward to watching it. I was like, okay, okay, so I'll give it a go. Me go what?

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What else we gonna watch? Then I and that's the other fucking thing Ricky, is it takes the it could be brilliant what I'm watching. Yeah. I can't avoid this. I have to watch. I'm going to watch you headlines on Glastonbury. And if it's crap, then that's my week. That's my evening. Ruined. Right? So I see everything. But she said, I'm gonna watch this.

00:16:02:16 – 00:16:16:11
And I'm like, I'm not going to say a word. I'm gonna keep my mouth shut. I've watched my dad ruin things about things he hates. I don't want to turn into that. She was saying this. That's what was in my mind. Yeah, absolutely. 100%. I can feel myself turning into my dad. I could feel it could feel in my veins.

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And it's the last thing I want. But it's just who I am is who I'm going to be anyway. So I was, like, determined not to say anything. And you got to first. I mean, I was watching I was like, in my head is I fucking hate this. I hate the fact this is on instead of something decent, but I'm not gonna say anything.

00:16:33:05 – 00:16:56:04
But I said something. She went, what do you think? Oh, no. Well, Olivia, this is why I think. And in the end, she said it was a pile of shit as well. She quite likes her so, But, yeah, I mean, it is disappointing. Now, we actually do have a question that's come in, and this is where the fuck has the question gone?

00:16:56:06 – 00:17:23:08
Brilliant. Maybe it's a question for at lads and on VOD, but what would your three headliners be for a three day festival? Friday, Saturday and Sunday now? I thought I would break this down further and say, what would your support bands be as well? Now, I don't know if I've gone to to to big with this, but five support bands for each day.

00:17:23:08 – 00:17:48:14
So we're talking about picking 15 bands. That's so much I could do a whole podcast on this, so give me number. But the thing is, we're not going to do this now. I want you to give me a list after because this is that that could be a whole podcast. Yeah. So I'll, I'll contact you during the week and I'll get your headlining support acts and your one low key slept on band.

00:17:48:17 – 00:18:09:08
So, this goes out to everyone as well. The quick rule is in clicking with Ricky, or we're just going to post everyone's line up on our instar just to see, just to get a vibe that everyone stay there is actually you there is a stadium post, a festival poster generator that you can get. You should do.

00:18:09:08 – 00:18:30:06
Oh, you have shit. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. You know the one it creates a little like a little. Yeah, yeah I did, I posted mine on Instagram a few years back. So if you're listening to this we want three headliners Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Five support acts during the day the Friday Saturday, Sunday. So you'll have to pick 15 bands and it's a lot.

00:18:30:06 – 00:19:13:21
You don't have to pick 15, but just try to get there. And we want one low key slept on act that goes on in a tent or that you know that only the hardcore people will be there, or a band that you want everyone else to like. And it doesn't even have to be band. It could be a hip hop act, it could be whatever the fuck you want and send in you can do it on if you do it on notes or WhatsApp, take a screengrab of your day, send it in to lads anon pod at gmail.com and we will feature all of your lineups on our Instagram.

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Gary? Yeah, listen. Round thing chain. All right. Okay.

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00:19:55:02 – 00:20:20:04
Hello and welcome to lads anonymous is episode 102. I'm Ricky, he's two best mates. One main topic we answer your life dilemmas in confessions in our feature something only you know. And everything remains anonymous. Always. So sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast. I totally forgot to mention I'm getting really bored of myself now with this, but, patron, everything is not on my side.

00:20:20:04 – 00:20:40:24
There is a technical hitch on patron side. They're sorting it out. It's still obviously going ahead and it will be imminent. Hopefully by the time you listen to this on the Monday that it will be live. I don't know, but what I will say is I have noticed a few of you sneaking up a finding the page and you're signing up already.

00:20:41:01 – 00:21:02:19
What is that? Because the fee is still in dollars and I want it to, British pounds. Right. So that I can set the fee correctly, because at the moment it's dollars. And I just don't want any of that fucking. I don't know why it's not doing it anyway. All right. But you will see when it goes live.

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You see it all over social. I've recorded a little clip that will appear in the, you know, the podcast feed as well, so you'll know when it officially goes live. And that is your time to sign up. So you don't need to go under the radar and sign up. Although your enthusiasm to sign up and find the link is amazing and we love you lots for it.

00:21:26:02 – 00:21:56:16
But please wait until we go official for it now before we jump in. There was one other, point that I wanted to mention, so we use ChatGPT in our last part to answer questions for us, which went down a storm. I loved it. Absolutely loved it. And someone has written into us. Yeah, I was listening to the pod, and I heard Flav say he uses ChatGPT 5 or 6 times a day.

00:21:56:18 – 00:22:36:18
And you were surprised. That's me. I swear I use it maybe 50 to 100 times per day. An estimate. It's saving. Amazing. Me. Approximately 2,000 pound a month if you're a knowledge worker. I work in an office setting and not a trade work. Trade. Working with your hands. I think the best thing you can do right now to futureproof your work is to spend at least 1 to 2 hours a week studying AI, not learning how it works, but trying different tools, workflows, and use cases.

00:22:36:20 – 00:23:04:18
AI is the biggest force multiplier of our lifetime, and very cheap and accessible things are going to get very interesting and scary in the next five years. Yeah, I mean, using it 50 to 100 times a day. And I had a quick chat with this gentleman offline and they were kind of saying how they use it. Now, obviously it's to do with their works.

00:23:04:18 – 00:23:27:06
I can't go right into it, but from things that they used to do, it would take them 3 or 4 to 3 or 4 days, and now they're running it for ChatGPT and it's taking 30 to 60 minutes. Yeah. It's insane. It is insanely powerful. And really interesting and a little bit scary about what might happen in the future.

00:23:27:06 – 00:24:00:09
But the AI, all of the boring stuff that I don't want to do, I might just ask ChatGPT to do. And yeah, I'm using ChatGPT more than I'm using Google. Much more. In. Wow. Really? Yeah. But you know what? I don't know why I'm surprised of that because I've, I actually have been doing that as well. Yeah, it just gives you collated information that you don't actually suffer in, in Google, as long as you know that where it's coming from.

00:24:00:11 – 00:24:32:07
You know, in terms of like it can give you incorrect information, but generally you're working on stuff, which that's makes that point irrelevant if you're using ChatGPT as a source to, you know, back up an argument you have, then you might be on an, a solid ground there. But, generally it's incredible. It's amazing. And like, you know, in terms of taking in terms of AI taking over the world when we become so dependent on it that we can't bear to not have it.

00:24:32:12 – 00:24:59:17
I guess that's when it's one. Yeah. And the fun stuff as well. I'll just say, generally speaking, not not kind of to say people who can work out, but a couple of mates of mine esthetically looking of how can I put it change there, just change the way they look visibly. Yeah. And I was saying that I felt left out because I've not done any of that.

00:24:59:19 – 00:25:18:01
And then if I popped in to our WhatsApp group where they've put it for a chat and because I said I, I'm going to do something, I'm going to get myself a whacking great pair of tips. You guys are doing stuff. Yeah. And, they've posted a picture free ChatGPT of me as a woman with two large breasts.

00:25:18:03 – 00:25:53:11
I let sexy at times, if I will, of course I might put it on. Keep it on. You can't really say yes. Yes, I might not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll give you guys. No. Put it in your wank bank. Right. Today's topic hangovers. Yeah. As you alluded to earlier, I never I mean, the first hangover I ever had, I think it was something I've spoken about before.

00:25:53:13 – 00:26:16:06
It's when my friends and I, when we were like 13 or 14, we secured lots of alcohol. And when I mean alcohol, it's not like we got eight cans of beer. And we sat down the park, we got whiskey, we got white lightning, we got everything. And a mate of ours had access to a private leisure center.

00:26:16:06 – 00:26:41:05
Now, there was like 20 streets on this road. As part of their mortgage payments. They paid in a service charge to this leisure center to upkeep the running of the leisure center. They all had swipe cards and they could go in freely. No one was in there, no secure a so you had a swimming pool, Jacuzzi like kitchen, barbecue, a big hole for football, gym room, all that stuff.

00:26:41:07 – 00:27:08:11
And we had to we decided to buy loads of booze and, have a party down there. Now. It got really, really bad. We got smashed out of our face and this is the time that I was sick, pissed myself and shit myself. Yes. I was taken to hospital because of how drunk I was. The hangover from that was probably my first hangover.

00:27:08:11 – 00:27:34:21
And as you can imagine, it was a sting after a couple of days as well. The first one, it was a yeah, my buddy nearly died, for fuck's sake. Yeah, my kidneys were very sore. I remember that. Do you remember the first time that you really? Yes, categorically. Tottenham versus Brentford, pre-season friendly. My brothers took me to my first preseason game, but may have been.

00:27:34:23 – 00:27:51:09
Might have been my no no no no no no I would have been away before. But Brentford was just down the road from where my brother lived. So he took me and I just felt like one of the lads that was 14 years old, my brother were like 18, but they had their mates as well. You just think how cool.

00:27:51:13 – 00:28:14:12
Yeah. Older brothers mates, I don't know, you. It's they're like the coolest people on earth. And those guys. Cool. Goth, goth, Danny, Hazel I think it was. And, my brother Ross and yeah, we went down watch Brentford and I remember drinking Tennessee duties anymore, but but ice. So they had, it was a Budweiser, but they're like an ice version.

00:28:14:16 – 00:28:34:08
There was this sort of fad of having cold drinks so you can get Guinness cold, for example. Yeah, you can just regular. No it wasn't I mean, it was I, I wasn't like the I think that's the first and last time I ever drank it, but that's what I remember specifically it because I was looking at the bottle and it looked like, the glass had been carved out of a bit of ice.

00:28:34:08 – 00:28:55:08
It was like a feature, but, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so we're just swigging these bottles, but obviously you don't know how to mediate. And then the part, the reason why getting absolutely battered the first time it. Because it gives you a sense of perspective and where your limits might be going forward. You have to have that first blow out what you're up.

00:28:55:08 – 00:29:21:18
So you've got to know the power of alcohol, right? So it makes you respect it. Yeah. So I, I don't remember much past being in the stadium. Stephen Carr played his Davis his debut. So that's how I long back it. Wow. And I got home I don't remember much of it. I remember in chips, falling over a homeless man and, you said.

00:29:21:19 – 00:29:32:17
Oh, right. Yeah. I remember offering him chips from my car and and but I tripped and fell over him. I think,

00:29:32:19 – 00:29:52:21
So what happened then? And then I, we we eventually got back home, so it would have been about, I don't know, 9:00 at night or something. And I was I had a camp bed next to my brother's bed, and I was in that bed, and I was starting to feel very sick. Yes. And I was like, Ross, I feel really sick.

00:29:52:23 – 00:30:16:20
And he was like, he said, come to my bed. Don't worry, mate, you'll be fine. Give me a cuddle. And I was like, oh, I'm not fight. No, he wasn't. He was protecting himself because his mum messed up. He's my half brother. Different mum. So he's mum was in the bedroom next door and he knew if he taken me out and got me pierced, he's, she was a beautiful and lovely woman.

00:30:16:20 – 00:30:32:21
She's not with us anymore but she was, she's beautiful. She was beautiful, lovely. But she also had a temper. She was just she ruled the house. It was her, you know, like a mother's domain. And so you had to be kept in line to a certain degree, especially with Ryan as a son, you needed a little bit of a me.

00:30:32:23 – 00:30:58:21
And, so she, he knew she so effectively I was her responsibility for a week. I would always stay there for a week in the summer, which I used to love doing. And I was a responsibility for a week when I break. So, she's Ross Ross's taking me out. Got me pissed and, got up because I knew I was going to be sick and I didn't make it as far as the toilet, which was literally about ten feet from my brother's door, I made it to directly outside Stella's room.

00:30:58:23 – 00:31:25:08
That was A909. And what did I do just outside the room prior? But yeah, just everywhere. Sick. Everywhere. Needless to say, Ross got a bit of a tanning. I that's I've never heard that. So that's. And I felt terrible for about three days afterwards. That was the first one. Why is it like after me going to hospital?

00:31:25:08 – 00:31:45:03
You doing that afterwards? We're still like, we're not 48 now and we're still like, let's fucking go culture. Let's get that. So snow is mate. There's nothing I know though like that. Often you get here to stuff like Britain. English people don't have a culture. We have loads of culture. Go down any pub, you'll see culture. There might not be the most tasteful.

00:31:45:04 – 00:32:06:12
It might not be what you consider to be, you know, high falutin culture or, you know, but you go down to a typical London pub. There's plenty there. And, growing up, there's nowhere else I want it to be that in the pub with my mates. Like, to this day, if you told me, let's go down the pub menu, just sit in on sunny days.

00:32:06:12 – 00:32:28:14
Friday. Let's just go down the pub. Yeah, let's do that, mate. How. How fun is it going into pubs? It's great. I, I still get a buzz, like like, I was going to talk about. I will go into a bit later, but like just meeting your mates and knowing that you're going out on a and you go, you know, meet up early doors and you're going to be on it all day and it's, you know, it's all written off.

00:32:28:14 – 00:32:48:07
It's all in the book. It's all fine. It's just so much exciting and going to do that, you know, I mean, yeah, I yeah, as a, as a, as a man and typically as men, I'm sure women do as well. But growing up it was like a madman thing. If you just square in off an afternoon, no responsibilities.

00:32:48:09 – 00:33:14:18
Just me and mates down the pub having a few pints, getting to the point where you just. Oh, maybe should we, should we better not. We should, they should we like you know that that is. That's just something that that will never leave me I don't think. Leave us. No. I always thought it would leave me. But as I get older, I kind of get a bit used to the fact that that's just who I am.

00:33:14:18 – 00:33:41:21
That's just who we are, you know? I mean, and that's absolutely fine. It's fine. We going to, I'm going to Dublin for two days. Three days? I was coming up in it. Yes, on the 18th of July. This has been booked in since February. And apart from obviously on a little plane dog, I, I, I can't wait to go down.

00:33:41:23 – 00:34:04:21
It will be in Bray. It was at the Harbor Bar. Elite Guinness sitting down. Couple of boys are very funny. You know, I've grown a huge attachment to you. Obviously, Leo has been mate for a long, long time. Is my wedding not yet. He's mate Mark. He's, You know, I know you're going to have an issue. What is is is the the brown.

00:34:04:21 – 00:34:25:05
Brown. Yeah. He's brown. Brown, man. I don't quite like this. I just, I found, I found in my life that me and brown people get on really well, like, I've, I've got the brown people I've met. I've always. I've always like that. We could be friends. Yeah. So, like, Yeah. This is a life for for me.

00:34:25:05 – 00:34:43:01
Yeah. So like, I don't know, like you're on in my, in terms of my friends that you can count on one hand. You're in. Yeah. It. But if I spend enough time in Mark he might be in there as well. Right in I disagree know. Yeah. They all get. Yeah. You're laughing as well. They sound I don't want to like it.

00:34:43:02 – 00:34:46:24
All right. Yeah.

00:34:47:01 – 00:35:03:04
So yeah. Just stand up. Yeah. And and like, look, there's, there's going to be things going on that weekend, right? Am I, am I going to feel horrible? Am I going to have a horrendous hangovers. Yes. Kind of. Wait. No. Yeah.

00:35:03:05 – 00:35:26:22
When you were like in your 20s what were your hangovers like? Yeah. Pretty bad. Always been bad. Pretty. So I remember in my like late teens, early 20s we were this is like peak peak. So I'd be going out and caning it every week. And it was like, all you ever do is live for the weekend to be with your mates.

00:35:26:24 – 00:35:53:15
You work at some crummy job, you get your on a Friday night, Wetherspoons on the piss dirty hangover on the Saturday, but you get up a Saturday. She goes to go do it again. So Friday, Saturday were always that's us just getting it for 48 hours. Then there was the Sunday club and if if I could muster it, I would go and join the Sunday club.

00:35:53:17 – 00:36:19:07
But there was always that bit in me that even though I was hung over, I had that bounce back ability of like, right, I just have some wall or headache tablets we go again. Or what we used to do is that today they used to be. So we'd go out, get smashed in that morning, there would be loads of text messages flying about and he wants to go to the cafe.

00:36:19:07 – 00:36:40:02
He wants to go super sausage or he wants to go. There was. Yeah, sales are great, great caff. There is another cafe as well. Where in Milton Keynes the coach station used to be. And it was the first time. This is back. This is how old it was that you could smoke in the cafe. And I remember watching this, this trucker right.

00:36:40:04 – 00:37:02:14
He was eating his full English while his cigaret was a lie. And taking pulls of his cigaret was rising in. I was like, is you hungry at that point? Yeah, I was hung over and I was just like, I'm pretty grim, but that is that's next level. That's that's too much smoking whilst you're eating a full English.

00:37:02:14 – 00:37:31:11
It's just a mate that's fucking grim. I mean, the. Yeah. We could do it, though. In our 20s, like we usually have people. You just go again, mate. But we might. I would tell you, my 20 late 20s, early 30s, I was I was at my peak. Yeah. Where I would we would so, so when I was living in Crouch End really Friday.

00:37:31:13 – 00:38:00:03
So I'd finish work at 1:00 on a Friday. Yeah. And I would go and pick up. Yeah. I to meet my brother Ross. Yeah. And we would inevitably be out and on various things. Wouldn't sleep at all through Friday. Good.

00:38:00:05 – 00:38:23:16
Go back out on a Saturday, maybe go downstairs. You go to a through on, on and then. And then Sunday, at some point in the afternoon, you collapse and. Yeah. And then then and then on Tuesday, you felt like death. Like not. It's not the hangover gone, but the the emotional scarring that you've left over the weekend remains.

00:38:23:16 – 00:38:46:12
And there's a hangover. A physical hangover is one thing, a mental hangover from just exhausting every element of dopamine and serotonin, your brain. And then you'd be left with nothing that you can hold on to. The body is nothing left to hold on to, but misery. Because what? Yeah, it's always the Tuesday in it and the Monday you hung over.

00:38:46:12 – 00:39:04:06
But you still can't, right? You're right. And you just. You just gotta get on with it. Because you've got to do work and you've got to be human again. But then on that Tuesday feel sad, the you know, that an advert for Childline comes on, you just start crying. Yeah. Maybe you'd be walking. I'd be on the tube and looking out and I'm just like thinking.

00:39:04:08 – 00:39:24:16
I feel so sad right now. I feel so, I'm so unhappy. And the thing is, is you know what it is. You know what Blue Tuesday is? You know what you've done over the weekend because you're living this every week and then on the Tuesday. And the thing is, your brain will still go to, you know, ain't you know what it ain't.

00:39:24:16 – 00:39:44:13
Yeah, yeah. I this is this time it's different. This time I am sad. No no no. And then God knows I come down I don't tell me what it is I know, I know what I can done is right. This is different. I'm sad I can't, I just can't keep I just cannot do this 9 to 5 thing anymore.

00:39:44:14 – 00:40:12:06
Yeah. I'm so unhappy. I'm so unhappy. To the point of your tears, mate. Ricky. And then in the end, you just can't do this. And then Thursday come round. Can feel a bit better. Now. I'm right. Friday comes around, you got to taste again. And that cycle of just feeling grim and then getting to the end of the week and feeling decent, and then just going back on it again was about 3 or 4 years.

00:40:12:08 – 00:40:34:05
Yeah. The I've been, God I've got Christ that I don't do that now I the what you were just saying there may fucking I just quickly. It's just so funny because I've been in that so many times in my life from. It's all over now. Yeah. So this I, I don't be able to fight you. You block Rick.

00:40:34:05 – 00:40:56:23
Rick. Don't worry. It's just become that. It's just. This is just that. And I'm like, yeah, my head knows it. No it's different. It doesn't have. Yeah. Just like we talked about so you might say my I'll say you say my, my mum rang me up once, and when I'm really worried about Alex, they just seem so down and depressed.

00:40:57:00 – 00:41:12:23
And I'm like, what? I said it's Tuesday. Wednesday. He goes, yeah, every week he just seems to be in this room. And I'm like, I've got to tell her. I've got to tell her because she just thinks her son's depressed and and I think it's just a chemical imbalance. He's going to be fine in a week or two, a day or two.

00:41:13:00 – 00:41:31:19
So I did it, said it was, it's probably come down, probably went on it, got on it in the week and my mum was my mum was teetotal. She'd never touched a drug your entire life. She smoked one cigaret hated it. Barely drinks. Really? Yeah. Her son's off. However, Alex is now. Alex is pretty much teetotal now, isn't it?

00:41:31:20 – 00:41:52:19
Completely different person to what he was growing up. But we were pretty. We got in. We got involved quite a lot. And so. Yeah. So to come down. So yeah, it was, it was awful. Did you actually say to your mum like it was a condom. Yeah. So we, we were quite open with her. I'll just explain what, what was good.

00:41:52:20 – 00:42:12:00
Not not everything, but it was, she was she was very relaxed and cool. She's always been that way. So just felt. Yeah. And I think that kind of we were going to do it if she was teetotal. But interestingly I was I was thinking about what what do you what do you want for your kids in terms of these things?

00:42:12:00 – 00:42:31:06
What would you want for your kids? And how do you create an environment which means that they are less likely to abuse substances, alcohol, whatever it might be. And I was on the podcast I did called Internet Dads with Rory Jennings and Spencer Owen and Spencer. He said I just had no exposure to drugs or anything like that.

00:42:31:06 – 00:42:49:15
I just wasn't in my life. Yeah. And then to the point when even when I was then surrounded by people that were doing and stuff, I still didn't want to get involved. In an ideal world, you don't ever touch drugs and, you know, yeah, you crack on all your life and you be happy because I think the I think drugs are negative generally.

00:42:49:15 – 00:43:24:12
I think, yeah. But then other people, like, my mum wasn't surrounded by drugs, but me and Alex found them and we had a great time. So are you some significant cost? Are you, do you think, like, what is the best way to map out for the kids in obviously substance abuse? Yeah, for hangovers and like getting I think you can eat at a young age.

00:43:24:12 – 00:43:47:04
You can really easily fall into that. Having a couple of cans of beer a day that that type of just maybe makes down the petrol. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it escalates I think. What it's so expensive now. So it is like a barrier. You can't go to the pub. What 18 year old kid unless you're working. But most people are going to be in training in education up to 18 though.

00:43:47:06 – 00:44:11:04
Yeah. Who's going to do? Well. I can barely afford to go to the pub, but talking I spend like going to see Leon in Dublin and I, it's like 7 or £8 a pint of Guinness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What kid can afford to go and get pissing in a pub anymore? Which is probably helpful. I mean, my approach always is and I don't know if it's the best one, is give them the tools they need in order to make the right decision.

00:44:11:04 – 00:44:29:00
When, when? So when someone offers them, the next step will. Inevitably they will. How do you how do you approach that most safely? Because most of us would just take the next step. Very rarely you get someone like Spencer over and he goes, no, I'm not interested at all. Yeah, most people succumb to the curiosity, especially when you look walk around and everyone's so fucking happy.

00:44:29:00 – 00:44:51:10
I want to feel like that. So yeah, I'm. I'm the same. Yeah, exactly. I mean, when my kid. You're a bit young at the moment, but I think I will probably go down that line of giving them the most information that I physically can, you know, like making sure they're in a safe place, making sure they're in a sound environment with good people.

00:44:51:12 – 00:45:12:15
They've got phone hand, they, they've got wool. They, you know, if they, you know, doing half of it or whatever it might be just to make sure that it isn't this naive thing just going into it. And taking, you know, someone's saying to them, Double Drop is, well, good. And then you double drop and they have no idea what's to come.

00:45:12:21 – 00:45:35:11
We do not want that situation. Do you? Or the same with alcohol. Like if people are pouring out singles with your mixer and someone gives you a treble shot and you're drinking those all night, you know it's all that shit that you that you kind of. With that, I'm going to try and avoid. What I did want to ask you about is.

00:45:35:13 – 00:46:00:09
But sorry, you've always been like going back to your point of, you were in your heyday in Crouch End when we were drinking together. You always seemed kind of, bulletproof to hangovers. Like you'd have them, but you'd still be like, get your coat on quick, you know, shake of the shoulders. Get yourself out there and you're good to go.

00:46:00:09 – 00:46:26:17
Yeah, yeah. And I was always like, Flack, I think I might be tired, but I, I yeah, I'm, I'm in a bad way. And now in your us in our 40s do you one do you get hangovers worse or and or and do you still kind of like have that. I can shake it off because I need to be a dad.

00:46:26:18 – 00:46:48:00
I need to do work. No. To do. No, I can't, I can't I'm not that bulletproof anymore. I do do this stuff, but I don't feel I don't. I'm like, this is fucking rank like and obviously I've found that if I am, if I've had a possession, I can't form sentences in the way that I would like to generally.

00:46:48:02 – 00:47:21:10
And as you get older, that becomes more difficult. Typically I found anyway, but yeah, I get on with it, but I couldn't go free tonight and go to work, which I used to do. I just that sounds like the worst idea ever. I don't even touch anything like no, no other. Like that's what we we do that sometimes I, when I was working a boucherie is like, I'd get on it in the midweek, go through the night and go to work, get on the train at like be in the office in a meeting at 9 a.m. and I've just been fucking up all night doing it.

00:47:21:12 – 00:47:43:20
That's, I can't even think about it at the moment. So my, my mates, the Gooners, they'll be listening to this. We are trying to organize a boys day out, and it doesn't need to be a big one. It just needs to be us. Free going to Wetherspoons early afternoon. Typical, because we've got a good day of drinking.

00:47:43:20 – 00:48:05:19
We can get home early, but lo and behold, we've all got families, all got kids doing different things and stuff like that. So it's really hard to kind of put something in the diary, but as I get older, there is a real sense of hesitation from myself that not that I don't want to hang around with my mates or have fun.

00:48:05:21 – 00:48:29:10
This is I'm always thinking about the hangover and what am I going to be like on the Sunday? And I don't want my missus to be angry with me. And I don't want my kids to be sad to see me just loll up in on the sofa. You know how to say, why aren't you save that by going, this is what I'm going to be like.

00:48:29:12 – 00:48:56:01
Be prepared. I don't go out often. This is what I'm going to be like on the Sunday. But we can't as men seem to be able to do that. There is that. But also I don't want to feel like that. Oh, you just dreadful. Oh, God. The feeling is horrendous. And then afterwards, the junk food. I mean, like, I won't start properly working back until, like, Wednesday, like back to full speed sitting there.

00:48:56:01 – 00:49:19:02
I'll, you know, I'll be here in person, typing away, but not really. Not really what I should be doing. And it kind of strikes the fear of God in me, of how bad would I be, what would I get up to? And I've got no willpower. So it's kind of like I've got the best, the best intentions. You know what class?

00:49:19:07 – 00:49:36:19
I'm going to go on 0% Guinness first, then I'll cross over or I never I don't understand the point of that because you did that when the. But the social. Yeah. But I guess at that point is that, you know, you're going to be there for a good 7 or 8 hours and you know, you're going to get smashed out.

00:49:36:21 – 00:49:46:00
That's the point. That was the point. And, you know, you also was really taught not to panic attacks. I didn't really work today.

00:49:46:02 – 00:50:07:22
South of the final, you had to think of it. And I had well, no, that was the semifinal. That was the boat ization. But I, and then I had one on a plane flying back from the final as well. So that was some. So it's all those things that are in my mind. And I know, I know it's going to be fun.

00:50:07:22 – 00:50:27:00
I really want to see my mates. I really want to. Like we were just talking. The best time is when you're in the pub with your mates, you just shoot the show with it. You know you're going to feel that way, just, you know it's going to happen, accept it and just fucking get on with it. Do you have any, pussyfooting around the get involved?

00:50:27:02 – 00:50:51:04
Do you have any, when I was younger, I just this just popped into my head when this is when I had my first job, so I must have been, like, 16, 18 around that when I was working in the warehouse, one of the people there, they swore I, the reason why they didn't get so drunk is because before they'd go out that crack an egg and swallow it whole.

00:50:51:06 – 00:51:13:20
And the thing that I'd been told was, you know, the the jelly type. Yeah. Film of an egg. It would cope the inner lining of your stomach so the alcohol wouldn't seep through your stomach or get into your bloodstream as quickly so you wouldn't become really drunk quickly or, you know, so you'd still have you, you know, your wits about you and you wouldn't be as hung over and stuff like that.

00:51:13:20 – 00:51:31:09
Did you ever do anything to get yourself ready for a day of drinking? No. Just went out there straight out then before. Well, I never I didn't feel like I never in a position. I felt like I've got to protect myself in any way. I just went, let's go out ten toes. Let's get into this. Don't worry about it.

00:51:31:11 – 00:51:52:15
What I found, though, were nothing ever worked other than just drinking shitloads of water. I feel like that replacing that. So you're not dehydrated? Feeling dehydrated is a horrible feeling in itself on top of the hangover, so just make sure you can save as much as yourself as possible. There are these things that you can take before you drink, and then when you get home before you go to bed, apparently really good, like tablets.

00:51:52:17 – 00:52:26:09
But I've never, I'd rather just get on with the hangover, to be honest. Yeah. I mean, I, I try to drink as much water leading up to it. I try to have a meal leading up to it to to soak up the alcohol. It never fucking works. I always get buckled and I always feel like shit. But the next day when I get home and I'm fucking swinging around from door to door, absolutely bent enough, I will go and I will take an hour before I got a bed to try and get a jump start on it.

00:52:26:09 – 00:52:47:23
That's what I'll do. So I'll take that and then I'll put in my. You'll probably find it doesn't make any sense. I don't want to take away your procedure, but if you're sick, they last for hours. You sleep in more than four hours. I am, but during that four hours. Well, what happens if in the first two hours the hangover starts going and then the paracetamol?

00:52:48:00 – 00:53:07:07
You don't know. You don't can stop it. It takes a bit of pain relief. It doesn't fix anything else. Don't be like that. It's just a headache you'd like. You got headache or your joints hurt. Then you take that away. But it's not like, do you think you had some sort of powerful I don't know, I don't know, I'm just.

00:53:07:07 – 00:53:26:02
I'm just trying any and every cape it. And then I have power paracetamol and I and then the ibuprofen I have a new ibuprofen. I don't know if it's new, but you have the standard one. And then there's one where it's more more of a kick to it. You can only get them in a certain few shots. You get the power all day.

00:53:26:04 – 00:53:50:11
Yeah. So I get the, the old passes on the go, and then I often smash those and then also, I can't remember who told me about this, but, you know, these, dissolvable, effervescent drinks that you get. Yeah, but these ones, what my marathon runners have. So after they've done a marathon, they'll take these two specific tablets, let it dissolve down, and it's got electrolytes.

00:53:50:17 – 00:54:11:21
So all these other bits and pieces. And there I've been doing that as well. When I'm really hungover. That's the break glass emergency. I'm really dying stage. Yeah. I'll get a couple of those out. Fizzy up next. And then I'm like, right, I'm feeling a little bit better. I'm then on comes the junk food, like Chinese full of salt.

00:54:11:23 – 00:54:35:02
It's like trying to pick something up. Nothing better than eating junk food on a hangover. I don't care at that point. You've done the damage. Let's let's double down. Double down. Don't bite. Was it boot up? Don't back down to wooden. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. What is your favorite hangover food? Yeah, I think it's Chinese. Chinese or the.

00:54:35:04 – 00:55:03:12
Yeah, I do love a KFC as well. I think it's mine's like a Domino's or something like that. It's just. Oh you love. Yeah. I don't actually like having a crap now. Right. But back in the day I would always go for Domino's. Now I can't even I'll get two slices. Like, it's just I don't know what's happened to me, but because you know how much I did love a, I was about to say that it that when the crouch end time, the peak time, the Sunday the hangover, I'd come over to your house and you'd order two large pizzas.

00:55:03:14 – 00:55:23:01
That was from, that was from the Turkish pizza place. So that went like, Well, I used to so saucy up as well. Why didn't you? What's the list? He used to spray on that barbecue, probably. I don't remember, but I probably would have gone for some, some sort of like, herb and chive, that sort of dip.

00:55:23:03 – 00:55:39:19
But I can have one you love. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I got I think that's ridiculous. I mean, it's it's saying why, why, why did I not just make one ain't like that. Well I don't care if it doesn't. If it doesn't taste like, why is it so you can't recipe. It's insane. Isn't it. The calories in that. Yeah.

00:55:40:00 – 00:55:59:24
Because, you know, it's so good. What is good. But what I don't I, I'm conscious of it. So what are you. I goes to a, salad dressing from, Sainsbury's. It's a Caesar salad dressing. Reduced fat one. I don't know why. Because you're ordering a pizza. It's like 2000 calories in itself anyway. But, yeah. Yeah, that's what I would do.

00:56:00:04 – 00:56:15:24
But it's the problem you've got is when you're hung over in the house and the wife's around, then you're like, I want to order takeaway, but of course, get everyone on board. Yeah, the kids are going to get on board, but the wife's going to be like, you don't deserve a takeaway because of what you did last night.

00:56:16:01 – 00:56:40:18
So I might I'm like, I'm like, I think, I take a, a hangover is dominated by how accepting of it your partner is. Yeah. How bad it can be because you really just want to flake out again. Another part of reason why I'm married is because she's so easy going. If I've come back from London. She asked me hung hangover and I'm like, yes, she knows what I mean.

00:56:40:20 – 00:57:05:11
She knows I've been doing it probably. And and and like, this is not often, very, very rarely. I don't ever even want to go to London to go out anymore. So that's how rare it is. Sometimes you're kind of obliged to go because it's you've been invited. Like, for example, is it Stu MacDonald's leaving do from he's going up to Scotland.

00:57:05:13 – 00:57:25:05
So next Friday I've got going to town but I'm not going to stay. That's the key. If I don't stay, if I get a train back, then I'm generally going to be all right. If I stay, then I know that there's just going to catch up to things. It's not. I mean, yeah, I was chatting to Stu and he told me about the party and if I'd come down and I was like, excuse me, what do you say?

00:57:25:07 – 00:57:45:24
Yeah, yeah. I'm like, yeah, I'll be there, I'll be there. And he said, and then he said, yeah, flaps organizing it. Oh, so he's doing what I've just oh. So I'm not, I've just asked a few people if they want to come to the party. It's not as organized. We're just going to the posh. We're just going to the brass monkey Bowl straight into Pretoria.

00:57:46:01 – 00:58:07:00
Yeah, yeah, that's where we drink to me. That'd be nice to, you know, fancy that. Coming down to London for a couple of tinnies. Quite expensive. No, no. Yeah. No no, no. But before we had a come. Just do it. I was and say, can I just ask ChatGPT if there's any known, hangover cure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:07:02 – 00:58:12:11
Okay.

00:58:12:13 – 00:58:41:02
Can you let me know if there is any known hangover cure that genuinely works? Please? Well, there's no magic cure that works for everyone, but staying hydrated, getting some electrolytes, and having a good meal can definitely help. Sleep also does wonders, so those are some things that can ease the pain a bit. Yeah, she she just said, she just said hangover.

00:58:41:07 – 00:59:05:11
You know, sleep, electrolytes, food, boring stuff. Yeah. And, then can you remember for before we go on, can you remember your worst hangover? Yes, I can, spent four days in Amsterdam, which, on a on a stag do, which wasn't these, like, the worst thing about Amsterdam is people that go there at night like, cunts can't stand them.

00:59:05:11 – 00:59:24:18
And there are a lot of them are stag. These, because it's a beautiful city and it just gets fucking. The reputation of English people in Amsterdam is couldn't be any further and any lower than it is anyway. I didn't spent four days in there. I when when we got the, I don't know what it was.

00:59:24:18 – 00:59:49:21
Got a cab from. No, we went got the train from Skip out to Amsterdam Central. From central. We were staying in this hostel and we got a cab there, and the bloke handed me a card. Just was essentially so, like, party liaison. That's what he said. A personal liaison, something like that. Yeah. And so he did. We just had everything we needed on tap, which isn't good really.

00:59:49:23 – 01:00:15:03
You know, sometimes scarce is a good thing, but it wasn't scarce at all. And, I, we, it was just heavy for days. And when I got home, I spent every penny that I had of my wages. So I'd been paid the Friday we left on the Friday, and I'd spent every single penny. I was probably a little bit over my overdraft limit.

01:00:15:05 – 01:00:36:18
So I am. And when I say hung over, it was more than a hangover. I might. When my head would lie on the pillow, it would vibrate and zap. All right. If you know, like what happens if you abuse MDMA too much that you get the brain zaps and they. So I was having those I was having panic attacks.

01:00:36:18 – 01:01:01:01
I was working at the same time and I had no money left, like, because that was that week was the worst, probably the worst week of my life. And then it's now fixed it. But doing another pill on the Friday, that's the that's the way I fixed me and that the zaps went away. It's almost like a rebooted it with another pill.

01:01:01:03 – 01:01:12:18
I'm not proud of any of this, by the way. I'm not saying if you listen to this, this is not this is not that's not advice. I'd never want to go back to that stage of my life ever again. I wish it would never happen, but there was some funny stuff in there and I'm not proud of it.

01:01:12:18 – 01:01:32:14
I but I genuinely have done some serious damage. I'd imagine so. Yeah. I'm not. I'm just we're just recounting this for the sake of the podcast, but I. Yeah, that was a terrible week in my life. My my one. I've got a couple. So the stag days, they're all stag. There's always a stag do. I went on a stag day.

01:01:32:14 – 01:01:54:18
I was gonna say recently, it's not fucking recently. I must have been at least three years ago. Some, one of the gooners. They had the stag do in Marlborough. First night. Everyone's excited. Everyone goes big. I went big and the hangover I had the next morning, I was walking around and my head had to be at the side while I was walking.

01:01:54:18 – 01:02:12:14
And I was by the pool and at the restaurants and stuff like this, just by the side. Because honestly, I it just fucking ruined it for me because I felt so bad, the sun beating down on you and everyone like, oh, my mates are like, back on it. They've all got pints and they're like, Rick, you, you want a pint?

01:02:12:14 – 01:02:28:03
And I'm like, can you, can you do the coke for this round? And then I may is 3:00 in the afternoon. You still on the I know, I know the next one, next one is going to be a beer. The next round comes in. Would you want. You want that beer now can you, can you choose another Coke as well?

01:02:28:04 – 01:03:04:24
I just and, that day I felt so fucking horrendous. It was unbelievable. That's a bad one. And then on the other Gooners stack day this I fucking God knows how long ago this was. Now that was in Portugal. Albufeira. And again first night went big. Fucking horrible. And I get these tension headaches where it feels like this pressure at the back of my head and the after the first night that was there on the second, and I could just feel this headache on the back of my head.

01:03:05:01 – 01:03:24:00
And, you know, when you just kind of about trying to get through life and you've got this pint in front of you and everyone's drinking and it's just not going down, and you're trying with the best will in the world. Get down. You get back to that level and you just can't do it because you feel absolutely dog.

01:03:24:02 – 01:03:53:16
Those are probably one of the worst times of hangovers that I've, that I've had that remember, I don't care. The dog does work like that's the one hangover cure. I don't think it does what he it has a couple of points in your back, your golden ass ChatGPT. And it doesn't look. Hello there. ChatGPT. Can you, can you let me know whether you think hair of the dog works or not?

01:03:53:16 – 01:04:15:03
I believe it does. But my friend Ricky believes that the hair or dog is a myth and doesn't work. What do you think? Yeah, the whole hair of the dog thing is kind of a temporary fix. It might make you feel a little better in the short term, because it can ease the symptoms, but it's definitely not a real cure in the long run.

01:04:15:03 – 01:04:33:05
It's better to just hydrate and let your body recover naturally. So I kind of lean more towards Ricky's side on this one. But what if you're like a bit of a legend and just want to keep drinking? However, the dog will make you feel better. Surely?

01:04:33:07 – 01:04:53:03
I mean, it might take the edge off in the moment. So if you want to keep the party going, sure it can help you feel better temporarily. Just keep in mind that eventually you'll still have to face that hangover and let your body recover. So moderation is probably key. Yeah, but moderation isn't fun, is it? And if you're legend, you don't want to moderate.

01:04:53:03 – 01:04:57:08
You want to party hard.

01:04:57:10 – 01:05:18:17
As I get it, it's all about having a good time, right? As long as you know what you're getting into and you're ready to face the consequences later, then go for it and enjoy yourself. Just make sure to, take care of yourself afterward. Call me a legend. Absolutely. You're a legend. Just remember to have fun and take care of yourself in the process.

01:05:18:19 – 01:05:38:20
Keep on rocking it is so bizarre. It's actually. It really is. What? What did she say? That. So that people at home. Ricky can't hear when I speak to him? She said, that the. She said Ricky's right. The heritage dog is a bit of a myth, but she's. Because it ultimately just prolongs the hangover. But it does.

01:05:38:22 – 01:05:58:16
Obviously it does take away the pain of feeling rough. Yes, I was right. That's good. Yeah, that's sort of what I wanted to know. So we're going to be moving over to dilemmas and something only you know, the dilemma is called let sleeping dogs lie. And something I need to know is I want to leave, but I can't.

01:05:58:18 – 01:06:26:15
The topic for next week is weddings. Are you getting married soon or are you putting the big day off? What is your non-negotiable at a wedding? Are you a traditionalist alternative to the big day? Are you scared of spiraling costs? The if is the pressure of the big day being focused on you and your bride or the other way round, is it getting you?

01:06:26:17 – 01:06:51:13
Is it getting you down? Have you got any mental stories from weddings? Because I've got a few. I've got a feebly. If you've got anything like that that you want to submit for next week's podcast, send it in to lads anon pod at gmail.com and we will read them out flat for your wedding. You have said it was the best day of your life.

01:06:51:15 – 01:07:10:18
Best free days. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, best free days. I mean that's going to be hard to top. So yeah, a lot of people say I think everybody is everybody. Everybody says, oh that was great wedding. They always say it. But lots of people said it was one of the best weddings I've ever been to. That's. Yeah, it was, it really was.

01:07:10:18 – 01:07:27:13
It was fucking fantastic. Yeah. I wish it were remembered. More of it. I think. Yeah. But then when talk about it next week we will. So you are now going to hear the dilemma.

01:07:27:15 – 01:07:57:02
Oh, just, just tired. You got a tissue for a tissue? You're a bit sad. It will be you. Are you aching in your soul, alone in your flat? Please talk to Vicky Flanagan. Let not stress off your chest. Well, friend, you deserve it. Like you side to get nice and warm between Vicky, your flat.

01:07:57:04 – 01:08:20:20
Let sleeping dogs lie. Highlights. I'm not really sure if this is a dilemma or something. Any. And I'll let you decide what to do with it, if anything. About 14 years ago, I met a girl at work. She was perfect, beautiful, funny, and really easy to be around. We started hanging out with each other outside of work, but it was always just as friends.

01:08:20:22 – 01:08:43:00
She had a boyfriend. She would often complain about him and say she wanted to leave him, but never did. It didn't take long for me to fall in love with her. Then she dropped the news that she would be traveling to Australia for a year with her boyfriend. Fuck. We hung out one last time a few days before her flight.

01:08:43:02 – 01:09:08:09
We just drove around in her car, chatting and listening to music like teenagers. The time came for her to drop me home and as we pulled out for a hug, her eyes locked and we kissed. It was the most heart racing moment of my life. My Immortal by Evanescence was playing whenever I hear it now, transported back to that moment.

01:09:08:11 – 01:09:16:16
How's that one? That was good. Yeah, I'm not going to sing it.

01:09:16:18 – 01:09:43:19
Yeah. Go. Then she was gone a few days later. A few years later, I met my now wife. We have two kids together. I'm very much settled, but I don't love her the way I love the other girl. It's a different kind of love. But with the other girl, I couldn't wait to see her. I'd pick her up, pick up extra overtime just so I could be on the same shift as her.

01:09:43:21 – 01:10:05:22
I often wonder what I would do if she got in contact and told me she feels the same as I do for her. I couldn't do anything to jeopardize my relationship with my kids, so I guess she will forever be the one who got away. Is it a bad move to find your own social and reconnect? Yes, it is bad, but.

01:10:05:24 – 01:10:33:01
And the reason is, is generally you're in love with what might have happened. But the reality is very different. There has been no opportunity for her to spoil anything. All she is, is perfect in your eyes because, yeah, you've built her up to be that. But the person you've created in your head isn't the reality of the relationship.

01:10:33:03 – 01:10:54:00
And it's not. You're not alone. This has happened to tons and tons of people. I don't regret anything and any anything that's led me to where I am now. And I am so happy and and lucky to be in a relationship. I'm in, the only time that I can kind of relate to that is like way back before.

01:10:54:02 – 01:11:18:16
Way before I met my wife. You know, like one night stands that I could have had. I didn't have. And then that moment. But not relationships wise, that must be tough. And it's also it's I mean, it's you what? You're what you could potentially damage and destroy by pursuing this. And it doesn't work out. Could be, you know, irreparable.

01:11:18:18 – 01:11:49:11
So I would just leave sleeping dogs lie. Yeah, I would agree. And eye contact and your your current relationship with your wife and stuff like that. And more often than not, when people go searching for a solution, it's because they might be unhappy in their relationship at the moment. Or things could be worked on, or things are annoying, or something happens and you automatically go searching for the grass is always greener.

01:11:49:13 – 01:12:14:19
So what? I mean, if that is the case, maybe have a conversation with your wife or try and work on your relationship. What's going on at the moment? But ultimately, I agree with Flav and I wouldn't, you know, search for her on social or try to reconnect or try and make your paths meet because essentially, I think it's just a bit of a nostalgia trip.

01:12:14:19 – 01:12:39:19
And this isn't just lost, is it? You feel like you would fall in love with her completely. And you've brought two kids into the world, and they're your responsibility. Yeah. May I just want to say before we end. Oh, we've got we've got, something I, I know something I need, you know. Yeah, yeah. I watched Manchester by the sea last night, film Casey Affleck and I.

01:12:39:19 – 01:13:00:02
It was an amazing film. I can't tell you how gut wrenchingly sad this one scene is. I was in floods of tears. I, I wanted to stop, I couldn't because my wife was like, no, I was I was holding it back because there's one thing crying in a film. There's one thing a grown man sobbing, I don't know, I, I don't think it's the most attractive thing in the world.

01:13:00:04 – 01:13:14:14
No. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. But I but but he he's I don't want will you watch it some if you know he's going to be gut wrenching said would you watch it. No no no no no. You've just told me that. And I'm like I don't need the I'm not I don't want to spoil it for people.

01:13:14:14 – 01:13:39:21
But it is about he lost something and when I don't think people I'm not sure people do. But when you've got kids, if you even want to process a world where they're suddenly taken away from you, means that you could make a decision where that is damaged to some degree, where you're, you know, your access to your children potentially might not be what it was.

01:13:39:21 – 01:14:00:10
And in the event of what? Yeah, is this woman going to be able to give you what your kids give you? It's different, completely different thing. But, you know, in terms of the love and nourishment that you'll get from your kids, it's a different thing altogether. But you're risking that kind of stuff. Yeah. Fuck that. Fuck that, mate.

01:14:00:12 – 01:14:19:08
For me anyway. Honestly, the last thing I could do, I couldn't be fucked to have an affair. I really. I love my wife, so much, right? But I just couldn't be assed, like there's nothing. I've done the sex. I don't know what was that going to be like? What can I walk in? I learn and do, I don't think I didn't think as much.

01:14:19:08 – 01:14:42:08
I couldn't be assed and I couldn't lie to my message. My mate, have you been out tonight? I'd be like, yeah, do you do anything? Yeah. Cheat on you? Yeah. It just come out. There would be no protesting whatsoever. No sneaking around or text messages, WhatsApp or anything like that. I just thought she would be so shocked. Yeah, I'd be shocked.

01:14:42:10 – 01:15:06:22
I'm so angry. It's. I'd be. Do remember that clip that when I watch that every now and then, it cracks me up on our TikTok where we just talked about we talk, I was talking about as if you'd actually cheat on the missus. I'm like, what's that going on with you? So angry at mean, I know I hadn't even cheated on her because that I didn't actually do this.

01:15:06:24 – 01:15:33:20
Yeah, there's your answer, mate. We are now going to jump in, do something, and you know something new. You know, I can't find the jingle, so I just thought I'd do it myself. Right? That's fine. I want to leave, but I can't. Hi, lads. Here's a quick story of something only I know. When I was 18, my mates and I went on a lads holiday.

01:15:33:22 – 01:15:53:24
There were eight of us in the apartment with me and one of my mates sharing a room after a long night, on the booze and God knows what else. I go to bed, but sleep does not come my way. My mate then comes back into the room, followed by a lovely young lady in a state of drunken lust.

01:15:54:01 – 01:16:15:12
They pull out the sofa bed and get down to business. Off my back to them at this point, but I can hear all that's going on. In order to plan my escape, I discreetly roll over to get a view of the situation at hand. To my dismay, they've pulled the sofa bed out. So far that is blocking the door.

01:16:15:14 – 01:16:46:24
Do they look like this? They don't know he's there. They don't know he's there. I realize that in order for me to leave, I'd have to make them stop shagging. Stand up. Pull the sofa bed back to where it was and for them to let me out. What did you do? What do you do? I decided that was far too awkward and planned to just pretend I'd been asleep the whole time and hope my friend would suicide soon enough.

01:16:47:01 – 01:17:12:10
He didn't. It went on for what felt like hours. The problem arose when I had a closer look and noticed the sublime technique with which my pal was laying pipe, and the fact that the girl was actually very, very fit. I got hard very quickly and ended up having the quietest wank I've ever had. At some point during the ordeal.

01:17:12:12 – 01:17:39:20
I'm pretty sure my mate and I made eye contact, but he has never mentioned it to this day. Can you bring up? Yeah, I know. Upon recounting this story, leaving out the wanking part to the rest of the group the next day, they all made jokes about how they. Sure, I would have just enjoyed it. Please tell me this is relatively normal and a younger me wasn't a sex pest, and that is something I need, I know.

01:17:39:21 – 01:18:00:08
You did the right thing. Pretending to be sleep is the only option there. Yeah, you can't, you can't disturb. But the reality is anybody would wake up so they knew you went to sleep, but they knew you were pretending to be asleep. So you've just done everyone a favor? I think. Yeah. I mean, I don't think I. I mean, I haven't been in that situation, but I don't think I would have cracked one out.

01:18:00:12 – 01:18:10:22
Can you imagine cracking one out when one of your mates is on the job next to you? I only just stood up and started masturbating.

01:18:10:24 – 01:18:17:17
I just sat at room for one.

01:18:17:19 – 01:18:30:15
Right. The topic for next week is weddings. If you have any mad wedding stories, let us know. Lads, anon pod gmail.com. And until then, we will see you on Monday.

00:00:00:10 – 00:00:21:02
So what? You've got a problem. If you still are being sent home with period paint. No, I haven't got a problem with it. I'm just saying that she's home and it impacts on me recording at home because I can't say the disgusting things, you. No no no no no, we would do it. We wouldn't. We were doing fine cook the other day.

00:00:21:02 – 00:00:42:21
And I was talking about like literally as I was talking about my wanking activity. Yeah. And I heard the front door go and my children walk through the door and I thought, I have to carry on with this story like I, you know, they're there and I know there is, there is a kitchen door and them and then behind that kitchen door is their father talking about wanking.

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Well, you're doing it again. She's right there. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, she's upstairs now and my Mrs. is in as well today. Wow. Yeah I know fucking girls day off is it. Yeah. What are they doing anyway. You know about the gaff. Yeah. Fucking come on, man. Fair enough. Yeah. Fair enough. I mean just floating about I am was going to say.

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Oh, I guess so, I guess. What can I say. Yeah. As in physically or. No, because I'm, you know, a sphere in that community. Yeah. Because in America, if you're Puerto Rican, you can say it. Can you pull it like Fat Joe? You said a big part, right? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they say that. Yeah. Yeah, I think so, yeah.

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Oh, and there's this, you know, lucky in, like, in films when there's, like a Puerto Rican gang. They say it, right. Okay. I don't know if they. There is a really kind of famous viral video clip of, maybe Mexican. I think he is Mexican. Mexican? Yeah, yeah, a Mexican. And and he was saying that, they said the N-word, and then a black guy walked past and he kind of turned around and seemed to say like, well, what are you saying?

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And he's like, we can say like we're we're part of the same thing. And he is like, what's up, man? And then they're like, there was a big love for it. And I was like, okay, right, I know, yeah, like, I know some rules are. But I know one of my oh no, it's I don't think this is okay.

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Right. But I've just noticed. Well I've, I've noticed this online.

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There's white people saying it now. Oh dear. But not with the heart. In the correct tone. Right. Yeah. I feel like you're walking a tightrope, but yeah, yeah, yeah. There is some cultures if you grow up in a certain area, regardless of your skin color, you can kind of say it if you're like from, you know, same culturally you grew up in that era.

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Yeah. And then there was another one where the guy wasn't clearly culturally, you know, in any way the same. Yeah. But because of the way he said it, the kind in the comments, the black people kind, he kind of nailed it. Yeah. So we give him a pass this time. That one of my favorite like clips on Instagram is there is a white teacher tache.

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He looks like he's from the 70s, but he's being recorded for the local news channel in America. He got fired or suspended the web because he used the N-word, but he said it's, I dga not, you know, your, And he was not using it as a term of like, what's up? Like, in that kind of part of that community?

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Why though? Yeah. But because he says he uses it freely with his mates. It's, it's a, it's a term of endearment. But. Yeah. Yeah. It's so. You bet it is. Quite free to use if you're a writer. What are you doing? Like, you know, you can't be doing that. But he's so animated and so passionate about the word that he's caught.

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He can't believe that he's been done and tripped over by the system because, you know, he was just. It's just a word. And I was like, bro, like, you can't. You can't. It's three words. Words. And the N-word will never, ever say that. Even in music. Even if I'm driving on my own. Ricky, we have. No, no, no, Ricky.

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What? You said you on your own. Everyone does it in your on your own. Hey. No. Hey. What are you. So you're saying you're listening to DMX and the N-word is used? I don't know, 5 to 5 times every 10s. You you you stop. You you don't say the N-word. No, no. In the car alone, with no one can hear.

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No. And just napping alone? No, not at all. Never, never leaves my body. Never I know me.

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So there's that. There's the, the other there's the p word, like. Look, that one. Just to clarify here, I would never rap the N-word if anyone could hear me, okay. Right. When you. But when you're in your office on your own, I think it's okay that because no one can hear. Right? Okay. Or in the car. Interesting.

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Like, if I'm with the kids and I'm rapping along, I don't. I'll definitely not use it then. Right. Interesting. Would you put a new word in? Nuh. Just. No, I wouldn't wrap it up in front of the kids anyway. I just wouldn't do it. I don't know, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I shouldn't do that. I don't know, but.

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Well, I just feel like it. I don't think anyone's gonna know that you're racist. Now. I don't think that that's. That's the case. No. Yeah, I don't know. Like it. Okay. If you were in a karaoke bar and you decided to do Dre cause not know, Mr. Lyrics, it's on the screen. It's telling you what the instructions.

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No, no, I know that I'm the son is. People saying this is part of the song. Is the art form in its fullest? I just think you're asking for trouble if you did it. Yeah. Whereas, whereas. So I just wouldn't do it. Right. I don't think someone who raps along to a song and uses the N-word as a part of the song, even if they're all racist, that doesn't make them racist.

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I'm just like, yeah, save yourself the bother a bit. Yeah, just by not saying it. If you're going out, you know, I'm going to say this. It's my writing a song. I could say, yeah, yeah, yeah, like, why are you protesting that? That's not a deep. Just don't say it, right. Yeah, yeah. But I think if you're on your own in a car and you're wrapping around DMX or biggie, I think you're fine, right?

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Okay. What about driving with your wife? No, you and you. Just you and you. All right, it's a Saturday. It's sunny. You're on your way to, a gig or to do something wonderful. You're enjoying each other's company. When you get to the other side, you're going to book into a hotel. You are free. The wind is, you know, you got your window down, the wind is blowing for your hair.

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And then, Eminem song comes on and you I know, you know most of the words, the most Eminem insults. No in words in Eminem songs. I would say not what you think. He's rapping in words. I don't know how you, just assume he might cause. No, no, no, no. Should we say all right, Dre, then. Yeah.

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All right. Somebody got it. Yeah, he got all the time. Yeah, I think, yeah, I'm sure you should. Should. Should the N-word be used? Should there be any existence of any of the N-word on Eminem's album? If it comes from a black rapper, is it okay because it's it's on his album. It's he's. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there is loads of that just saying that he doesn't say it.

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Right. Okay. Right. Right. That's that's what he does. Yeah. I mean, I can't remember what song it was now, but, yeah, there this a dry song that I really like big. So you didn't know? I didn't know that. Like that. Submarine in the car with the Mrs. Drake. Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah. And then Drake,

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And you feeling young, free, horny, everything. You know, just everything's going. Going well, you're on your way to a gig. Would you then maybe drop the N-word because, you know, it's just you in your life? I mean, I wouldn't be worried if I did it in front of me because she knows I'm racist. And she knows that you use it quite often when you drive as well.

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I think someone like, like, you know what the, If you even say yes, I'm not racist, but I flare ups in traffic. Okay.

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Use it if you want to get the N-word out. Yes, to write it down.

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Yeah. Deary me. FFA. Yeah. How the hell did we even get on to this? But I just want to say, if you're right, because, you know, racism, it's argued, is about oppression. So there is this school of thought which I don't agree with, but there is out there that it's impossible for black people to be racist to white people because white people are not oppressed.

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Right? Okay. Yeah, I've heard this as well. I think I've heard this from you. Well, you know about punching up and punching down. Yeah, I like that. I think that's that. That's what's out there. And you don't you don't believe that everyone should be able to punch each other? I don't think everyone should be racist to anybody, but I don't think I don't think only racism can only come from white people.

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I mean that you see, a lot of them see lots of different arguments. It is very kind of like, you know, if, like if a person is racist to a black person, that's racist. Yeah. You are, you are, you are pointing something out or attacking someone, insulting someone or preventing them from an opportunity because of what they look like, the color of their skin.

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But I see there is a school of thought that only people on earth that can be racist to white people, right? Okay, that just for me, just doesn't quite land. It doesn't sit right. But but, I feel like if you're the ethnic minority. So, like you were saying in your example, a Chinese guy and a black guy, and they're being racist to each of they're kind of like the ethnic minorities.

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They're the minority. So they can say it against each other. And it's not racist because they perceive to be. Yeah, no, that's why they're perceived to be on that, that there's no same social level there because there's no oppression. Right? So if you're primarily in the country, if you're Iranian, like, you know, first generation Indian people, yeah, can be quite racist towards new immigrants I've seen.

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Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. You know, I mean 100% they're like yeah, yeah yeah whatever. Right. And so yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. But it isn't racism because they're, they're Indian I think. No but yeah yeah yeah. Riddle me this Rick okay. Okay. To move to China. That was I was going to bring up this example.

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If you were in India and they were cutting you off, they can be racist on the white level. Yeah. But you're in the minority that I don't think so. That would be racist to you, wouldn't it? Yeah. I'm the white devil. You're the minority. There would be the white devil. Yeah. These backpackers I saw on Instagram Reels and they went to India.

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It wasn't in a major city. There was somewhere they arrived, I think it was India. And they got there and they said only Indian people are allowed to stay here. And these were just I they from Barnsley backpackers from Barnsley. Right. Okay. Yeah. If they weren't allowed to stay there because they were white. That's right. Yeah. But if it happened in England it's not.

00:12:08:01 – 00:12:27:18
That ain't racist. Yeah I think I saw something similar maybe I think we some lads went to go and eat at a restaurant. Yeah. In Sri Lanka. Yeah. And it said because you're not local Sri Lankans you can't eat. Do you know, also in I saw a clip of a bloke who was in I think it was Pakistan.

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Yeah. And they wouldn't, he couldn't pay for anything, but they were just treating him as a guest to the country. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've seen this before. Yeah, yeah. Have this food and then the vendor wouldn't charge him. And then this bloke were left around on a moped and he was paying for everything. He said, last thing you don't pay kind of thing.

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It was incredible. I mean, that is. Yeah, I've seen the same thing in, Afghanistan right now. Where was on. Yeah. I seen a bloke who gets on an old moped like those 50 cc mopeds. Yeah. I think we could see 90s. And how it was a, it was a YouTube series about 15 years ago and it's called C9 e adventures.

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And he gets so. Well, I don't know. I think we probably are definitely. Yeah. I really like it. On see if it's still on the issue, but, so and he just gets on one of these, you know, you know that for people that live in London, there used to be this thing called the knowledge.

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And the knowledge was something that the taxi drivers would have to do. So they still do it. They didn't. They know they tube is stupid. It's kind of like it's a rite of passage now rather than it be like you just. Right. Okay. Black cab drivers. Yeah, we like the black like traditional black cab drivers won't agree with this, but wise tells you where the traffic is.

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You can't do that regardless of, you know, the streets of London. So yeah, just get wise. Save yourself four years of driving around the streets on a moped. Yeah, it's C9. It was what they used to do it on because it does shitloads of, miles per gallon. And resilient. Anyway. Yeah. So this bloke used to drive the C 90s.

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Anyway, it's used to go to all the places you're not supposed to go, like Iraq and Iran. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah. What you find there is just, lovely people, typically hospital people that just want, Yeah, hospital, hospital, bed, hospital. But what they, just wanted, you know, show you their country, their culture.

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Be welcoming the food, cuisine, all of that stuff. They still around the last film we did a year ago, and it was a 1.4 million views. Oh, wow. Okay, it's worth looking at. Anyway, I'd love to do that. Yeah, I I'm not sure how that, how the podcast started and they say, but I'm glad it's I'm glad we had this discussion.

00:15:04:09 – 00:15:17:02
Yeah. You need to know about this thing sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, we all do. We all do. Let's do it.

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Them night hazy like Band of Brothers playing tunes high as quite midnight. Waves surfing through till daylight breaks rhythm. Here's different ways. Love of music. So I, we prayed with our tongues in cheek band as I we like to speak and yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Promise.

00:15:42:24 – 00:16:04:19
Hello and welcome to lads. Anonymous is episode 142. I'm Ricky, he's flab two best mates. One main topic we answer your life dilemmas and confessions in our feature. Something only you know. And everything remains anonymous. Always. So sit back, relax and enjoy the pod. How's it going? I didn't even ask you. How are you? You're right. Yeah.

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All right, get in. Yeah. I love receiving news. Bad news that you can't do anything about us. That's my favorite. So you like receiving bad news that you can't do anything about? Yeah, yeah, but, what about news? Have you received bills? I just dropped my, What was that, a sachet into my mug of coffee. Is it is it blows to blow.

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It is a sachet open. Okay. You could see that that in the moment is is stoicism, right? My. Something bad happened. I dropped it in there, but at least the tomato ketchup wasn't open. So there's the positive, right? Rock. Oh, my God, a fucking drop. Such a in the coffee. I thought my taste died so badly. I got a letter from the taxman.

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Oh, now you can let that. Oh, really? Bring your machine. Yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah. Or you can just go.

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What's the much I can do about this? Well, yeah, I did. I used to beat up that. I didn't really used to let the small stuff consume me and be very light shouty about it, until my mum said something to me about it quite a few years ago. Now. And I at first, you know, very fronted by it like not have days I but I disagree with that.

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Like that's not true. I'm not negative I'm not like get frustrated and throw my toys out the pram and all of that stuff. And she said you do. And then I kind of had a good few years of internalizing, looking at myself and trying to take one small step up the ladder to be a bit more positive when something negative come my way and then destroy, try and work on myself.

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And I feel like I am a lot better at dealing with stuff like that now and not as, you know, it's not enough to handle. Well, what were you going to say? We're going to fucking agree. My mum. Yeah. Fucking slag. But no, I think I think in the, in the past you would have you take exception and react badly to things you can't control.

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Yeah. That's fair. And you did a lot of work and making it, so. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Do you know what we're talking about today? Pass. Yeah. Boy. Spice. Yeah. What is it? Why is it that mate who put it, who put it? It sell me. Tell me you put it there. We don't know that one.

00:18:39:22 – 00:18:59:06
So. So today I have like I found it quite not hard right in the run up. Because normally if we were going to talk about something, I'd be like, right, okay, we'll start off with this flag when you were five, like, you can't start off with when you were young flag. What do you think of spice? No one knows anything about spice.

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And I think this was my point about putting this podcast together for it. So I have I do have a lot of, facts and stuff like that. But when I was reading it all, I got myself into a bit of, pickle into a bit of it. Yeah, a bit of a pickle. Been a bit non. Because I'm not sure I believe any of this stuff because I, I know I can't go into it now.

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I'll do it like further. But it is just like I can't, I can't get my head around space and the facts and figures and everything that we are being told, because how does anyone know? Like, oh, I, I will read out in full, but there is a part of what we as humans understand about the Big Bang, right?

00:19:54:01 – 00:20:14:06
The one second after the Big Bang, we pretty much know everything that that preceded it. We kind of have a guesstimate, but the one second before it, no one knows. Yeah, no one knows. Yeah, well. And there is no the big bang. Create life. Okay. We created the thing that made the big Bang. What is the big bang?

00:20:14:08 – 00:20:32:07
That's I mean, it's just. What is it really? Well, we we're about to find out. Tell me right now. I want to know what the big bang is. Well, I mean, the big bang. No. Let me. I want to get from the beginning. Right. We'll get from the beginning. And by the way. Right, I, I understand, obviously, putting this podcast out into the,

00:20:32:09 – 00:21:02:22
I have no idea who fucking listens. Right. I'll just assume it's, a collection of people, and it always surprises me. The emails that we get now, we've done help requests, and there is a resident doctor that listens to the resident couple of doctors that listen to this podcast, which is crazy. But there have been two gentlemen that, you know, I don't know what they study space, basically.

00:21:02:22 – 00:21:22:12
And they have put into that listen to this pod. You wait until you hear their their emails on. I read them out because it is just like I again, I just don't know about anything. But let's start on a on a lightfoot. Right? I want to start on something a bit like with space. Are you even interested in space, like flat films?

00:21:22:14 – 00:21:50:03
Yeah. Aliens. Yeah, like that kind of sci fi title. Total Recall, that kind of. Yeah. So I like, so recall what like space is like is June part of that stuff? Okay. So yeah. Sci fi. Yeah. Yeah sort of. It's planets and space and all that shit. Yeah, I like that. Those films. Yes. Yeah. I mean, oh, I don't even know if I'm like because I just.

00:21:50:05 – 00:22:12:23
Because it feels so far fetched that I don't know if it's real or not. Does that, you know, you know, I mean like the what's real. Like I don't know, my mind can't project that far. You know, we're all living in, living on Mars. I don't know, I thought the was the one with the free to ease.

00:22:13:03 – 00:22:28:16
Yeah, yeah, I don't think. Yeah, I like that bit. I like that, that frame. Right. Yeah. Well, that's not possible, is it? It's just why it's. But when you listen to the some of the shit that I'm going to read out when I'm waiting, you ask me, teach me about Total Recall and you've got this amazing stuff to read them.

00:22:28:18 – 00:22:53:15
That's right. Okay, here we go. Here we go. Right. So this one okay. This is a lot of it is like, Instagram DMs, but we just take it for a face, right? Yeah. Earth is in its own solar system, basically. Or, basically orbiting around a star. And the solar system is in our own galaxy, the Milky Way.

00:22:53:17 – 00:23:18:12
I think we both know that. That's fine. Yeah. The fastest speed that anything can travel is light. And if we were to travel at the speed of light to the edge of the galaxy, it would take about 55,000 years to the edge of the galaxy. Edge of the galaxy, 55,000 years. And that is light speed, right? This is part of what I can't really grasp.

00:23:18:12 – 00:23:42:20
Like, how does anyone know that the edge of the galaxy is approximately 55,000 light years away? Who? Who made that? What? I don't know where he goes. So there's going to be a lot of I don't know, he's on this. No, no, That's fine. What goes past the edge of the galaxy? Well, I don't know.

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I don't think anyone knows that there's a lot of. Right. So, there's a lot of that. The that space is continually expanding, expanding into within it what we don't know. And see, this is the thing right. When people are on the I am no this isn't ten. Kind of like the earth is flat for me. Nothing. It's not that stuff.

00:24:09:07 – 00:24:43:21
Right? But what I can't grasp is how that we can have these calculations and be so, in our convictions to say the edge of the galaxy or whatever is 55,000 light years away. Right? But it's getting farther away all the time. Yeah, yeah, everything is moving, I think, all of the time. But that part of it, I understand because they can look at the galaxy with telescopes and they can measure.

00:24:43:23 – 00:25:05:18
So like Pluto for example. I mean whatever, like a galaxy hundreds of miles or not, Pluto is probably not a I don't know if they can measure Pluto moving away from us, but they can they can track it from one point to another so they can see it's happening. And they think that the reason why that's happening is because the universe is expanding and dragging.

00:25:05:20 – 00:25:31:08
I think. Yeah, yeah, I think he's right. Go. Yeah. Go on, go on, go to the big bang. There was no bang. It wasn't two things colliding. I thought it was two things collide into big rocks colliding. And that's what I thought it was. It's not. What is it? I don't know, it's just saying that, I've got two comets hitting each other or something.

00:25:31:09 – 00:25:58:00
Then not. I ain't no, nuh None of that. Oh my God. Fuck. Yeah. Sorry. I just like. And that's, And then, as an add on to that, but we can't, sorry to, it would take 55 years and light years, but we can't because we physically can't go fast enough. So if we were to travel in a spaceship, it would take 55 million years to reach the edge.

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That's if we're not going light years outside of our Milky Way. In our observable universe, there are an estimated 2 trillion galaxies. So our galaxy is, you know, as I understand it, the sun and the planets and everything that we we know that we're all of the school, that's our galaxy, that's the Milky Way. So there's an estimated 2 trillion galaxies.

00:26:22:07 – 00:26:35:09
Like, how does anyone know that? I just this is what I can't understand you. You tell me about this, telescope. Right. And I know, I know, this is just you example.

00:26:35:11 – 00:26:55:16
And you and you, you like. And this isn't a telescope that I got for my 12th birthday. And I set it up on the tripod, looked in the sky, and everything was blurry. And I never used it again. You know, these are proper scientific Hubble telescope, all that like. Yeah, but how how do they know? Like how many?

00:26:55:18 – 00:27:15:00
How do you know how many galaxies are? Yeah. There's an estimated 2 trillion. How did they get to the first trillion? I think they just they'll just have sort of equations that they apply to or something. I don't know what the more it's the scariest point isn't that they can see the space and they can make assumptions about it.

00:27:15:02 – 00:27:49:07
Why does it exist? Why are we in on a planet in the middle of it all? And the and the answer, the only conceivably sensible answer to that is, yeah. It's just a fluke. Like our entire existence was just a mistake that happened. Or not a mistake. Just a series of events that led to us being conscious of ourselves, and then to have an existential crisis and break them about, why?

00:27:49:07 – 00:28:10:20
So who the fuck put it there? Okay. Right. Why is it space up there? Why does it look like that? Why are the stars up there? Why is a great big stars if you burn out or you would die instantly? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is true. Why? I don't know. And obviously that's why everyone has the idea. What is God?

00:28:10:23 – 00:28:44:15
God must have created it. Someone must have created it. Exactly. You can't disprove that someone at some point created something you can't quite. Science can't disprove that because they don't know what happened before the Big Bang. No, nobody does. And this is my point. No, it's not my point. But this is one of my kind of things that I feel when I think about space is that if, like you've just said, about the, the Big Bang and everything is and no one knows, right?

00:28:44:16 – 00:29:14:18
Everyone's got this kind of guesstimate what they think happened and what you were saying as well about, it's a series of things, events that had happened over time. And then this is what has come out of it, right? We've got 2 trillion galaxies. Apparently, there must be another one. And there has to be. Yeah, there has to be a planet like ours, but with aliens.

00:29:14:20 – 00:29:17:08

00:29:17:10 – 00:29:27:24
There must be, surely. I just don't like what? Yeah, you would think that you would want. There must be ones.

00:29:28:01 – 00:29:52:22
There must be one. There must be situations that are almost complete to us. But you have a sun and moon and water and nitrogen and oxygen and oxygen and all the things. Yes. Somewhere on in that massive space. Yeah. They said like I just saw some ChatGPT and he said, that's what I was going to ask you today.

00:29:52:24 – 00:30:16:09
Get the the lady up for questions on ChatGPT. Okay. Because I've got some good stuff that we need to, we need to discuss. Okay. But the short answer is, we don't know for sure, but the odds are probably pretty high that there is life out there. Pretty high, which is mental. Yeah. There are other oceans that you can be seen.

00:30:16:11 – 00:30:48:22
1% of our galaxy. You know, our galaxy, the Milky Way, has 100 to 400 billion stars. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies. Did you say 50,000? Here outside the Milky Way, in. In our observable universe, there are an estimated 2 trillion galaxies. All right. Yeah. So this means there's trillions and trillions. The other nightmare. Anyway, yeah, I reckon there are aliens out there, gobby.

00:30:48:24 – 00:31:12:04
Yeah. Like, do you think do you think we. Actually. We've been to space. We've been in space. The. Do I believe that we land on the moon now that we've been into space? We've been into space. Yeah, right. Okay. That's the I believe that's it. I'm with you, brother. Yeah, right. Do you believe that we have landed on the moon?

00:31:12:04 – 00:31:49:21
Yes. The your. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't care whether we have or haven't but but but probably yeah I can why I just because there's a question. Because I don't have all these, I don't have a running tally on me of all the things that, supposedly of why we didn't, you know, I as a kid growing up there was the reflection in the, astronauts helmet that it was supposed to reflect something all about the flag.

00:31:49:23 – 00:32:17:11
It was blowing or something like that. And there's no, in space. There's loads of different things that that exist. But what I find troubling and what you hear about is that we flew up in the 60s, apparently, right, and landed on the moon. And the reason why we're not we haven't gone back to the moon is one I've heard is that we lost the technology that we.

00:32:17:13 – 00:32:39:18
Say is is too expensive. Why do we need to go up there again? We've been there, done that. That makes most sense, doesn't it? Not that we may if might if you can get to the moon in the 60s and now we're in 2026, we would fucking go up to the moon we like. Well, what do you mean why you can't just go somewhere once and be like, yeah, yeah, we went there.

00:32:39:18 – 00:33:02:18
That's it. Done. There were, well, we've only been there once. It doesn't mean anybody else is gone there. I don't think so. I just think there's more important stuff to spend your money on than putting people on a place that is completely on the on the, on habitable, habitable. But, Elon is trying to get us to Mars, right?

00:33:02:18 – 00:33:22:02
He's got a fucking right lobe on for Mars. Hey, I did I think even Elon sent one of his fucking Tesla cars into space. One of his college is just. Oh, but in the Earth. Like he said, he's got loads of satellites up there. He's sending shit all the time. And we're saying that we've lost the technology.

00:33:22:04 – 00:33:48:02
We're saying that's too expensive. May we? We should. If we did it in the 60s, I, I'm, we're sending rockets. Oh, would you want to go? Oh, I'm so obviously that's the only way we're getting back. You're on the. You're on it. Right to the moon. Yeah, right to the moon. No. Right. But if if we had, why not?

00:33:48:04 – 00:34:09:02
Mate, I ain't going to the moon. There's no fucking chance. Absolutely no chance. Imagine you got stuck on the moon, man. I don't want to do it. I wouldn't want to do it. Yeah. How much do I say? 15 billion pounds. And also you've got to go up there. I'm not spending 15 billion pounds. I'm going. I'm not doing anything.

00:34:09:04 – 00:34:36:06
No. I wouldn't even want to get on a spaceship, like that. Okay. That's right. By the. That was my next question. So the, Virgin Galactica, Galactica. Galactica. No, I but I want to do that. And Jeff Bezos is. Do I want to get in a submarine and go down the Mariana Trench? No, no, no. So why would I want to go on a spaceship and leave Earth?

00:34:36:08 – 00:35:02:16
That's a good question. That's a good question. I mean, apparently, that you you go so high up that it's not like you leave it, but. Yeah. Yeah, that is true. Yeah. We we've got a problem with that. May not get him. Yeah I couldn't, I couldn't do it man. There is no fucking chance I would do that. Absolutely none are going to come in with the next the next fact.

00:35:02:16 – 00:35:21:24
Right. So someone's written in. So in a word, it's fucking massive. This is a classic one, but I love it when we see the light from stars in the sky. It's light that was emitted thousands of years in the past. And it's taken that time to get to us. And your eyes, you're literally looking into the past.

00:35:22:03 – 00:35:45:21
And in some cases, the stars that you're looking at don't exist anymore. But the light it, once emitted, is still arriving at your eyes. And in all that time, Spurs still won't have one at home. Yeah. Good. I like that. Right. So because it died ages ago, because it takes so long to get to us, we're still seeing the light.

00:35:45:23 – 00:36:10:20
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So behind the light sort of. It sent the light out and then burnt out and then. So somewhere between what star used to be what happened to burn out Star Thompson? I thought Black Star was it from a till I know it's a think. It becomes like a white dwarf. No, I can't remember what it is.

00:36:10:20 – 00:36:41:21
It's some. There's a name for that. That's it. That sounds. I like that gun. Oh, look. What what is the name of a star? A bunch of may imagine. It's called white dwarf star. Gone, gone, gone. I'm rooting for you. One dwarf. Yeah! Come on, let's go now. Star. Typically the sun like star that has exhausted its nuclear floor fuel is called a white dwarf.

00:36:42:02 – 00:37:07:02
They are incredibly dense, hot stellar cores about the size of Earth, which gradually cool over billions of years from massive stars. The remnant can be a neutron star or a black hole, wherever that means. Yeah. So? So from this white dwarf, there is a gap now where the star used to be in the sun and the light disappearing.

00:37:07:04 – 00:37:32:23
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So I can, I don't know, again, I don't understand how this is this this is my main problem, right? We. But how do we know this? But how do we know any of this is real? These people ought to. But the thing is, I don't know that we thought the world was flat that way once.

00:37:33:00 – 00:37:55:18
Yeah. Once. Right. Yeah, but that's what we were told. The world is flat. And then it turns out I am okay. We've been told many things, and it turns out they ain't the facts. What what what I don't understand. Yeah. Like, it's like some something like flat earth or not landing on the moon. Science can disprove the conspiracy theories for people like.

00:37:55:18 – 00:38:11:17
Yeah, well, I don't believe that science. So what are we doing here? Who's told? Stop talking to me, then. If you can't see. What you doing with this? Yeah, yeah, well, don't talk about that. I'm not having this conversation anymore. Here's the evidence. You don't agree with it, all right? But that's the end of the conversation. That's okay.

00:38:11:19 – 00:38:33:16
And I always say this one, right. Like, all right, they fight the moon landing. Yeah. Okay. Well, now what do you mean to do? The flat. The Earth flat. Is it okay? You're right. You believe it's right? I believe it's round. Now, what do we do? Why, yeah I don't. Yeah, that is interesting. That sounds like Brian Cox.

00:38:33:16 – 00:38:50:05
If he's talking, he sounds like, you know. Yeah, I'll believe him. But yeah I mean like Brian Cox, they like you said. You said you believe he was in the band before he was this renowned song. And I'm not saying you can't be in a band and be a scientist, but where was the science set before the band?

00:38:50:05 – 00:39:20:10
Yeah, true. Like when he and the sign dork, things can only get better. Can can actually get better. You should be allowed to be careers. Know that. Yeah. You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is really selfish. But when he speaks, I'm like, yeah, it sounds like he knows what it's all about. I believe him. Yeah. So okay okay I don't, I, I don't know if what you're saying is true.

00:39:20:10 – 00:39:41:00
He could be saying anything about what my base knowledge of these things is so small that you just have to trust him. Yeah, sure. Right, I actually do. I do have a clip of, coxae. Oh, yeah. So, if you play that and just listen to that.

00:39:41:02 – 00:40:03:00
Or a human fell into a black hole. It depends on the mass of the black hole, is the technical answer. So if it's a small black hole, by which I mean just, you know, a few times the mass of our sun, then you get ripped apart by the tidal gravitational forces before you actually fell in. So as you approach the event horizon of the black hole, it comes a very nasty but for the very big black holes.

00:40:03:00 – 00:40:22:10
So like the the one we have a photograph of, we've got two photographs actually one of the, one of the one in the center of the Milky Way and one in the center of a galaxy called Mighty Seven, which is a very big one, is something like 6 billion times the mass of the sun. So supermassive black hole in matter seven is 55 million light years away.

00:40:22:10 – 00:40:48:03
That one cannot be felt towards that one. Then as far as we know, you would fall across the horizon into the interior of the black hole and you'd be unaffected. You wouldn't notice as you fell across the horizon, and then you'd have something like, I can't remember the exact number, but it's something like 30 hours ish inside the black hole until you approach the singularity, which is in your future when you cross the horizon.

00:40:48:08 – 00:41:07:09
So. So it's not something you can avoid. It's like trying to avoid tomorrow. You can't do that. So you go to the singularity, which is, in Einstein's theory, the end of time. And just before you get there, you get spaghetti either, which means you get stretched in one direction, is squashed in the other, and even your atoms get ripped apart, and then you go to the end of time.

00:41:07:11 – 00:41:14:23
So that's not nice. What would happen if Earth or human.

00:41:15:00 – 00:41:38:07
Well, so. Well both answers. You get a blister. Yeah. Thing is right. I listen to that. And I was like, okay. And he was like, well, it depends because we don't know, like the gravitational pull, the weight of it or whatever it was. And. Okay. And then he's like, oh, then you get to the edge and then you get to event horizon, and then time slows down and then you'll be shredded this way.

00:41:38:07 – 00:41:55:17
And Paul, how the fuck does anyone know any of this? Because we haven't thrown we have a have we tested something if we know like, you know, like someone says, oh like he put throw deodorant cannon to fire, right? And after five minutes it heats up and it explodes. Do you know how I know that? Because I fucking done it.

00:41:55:23 – 00:42:17:12
You know, how many things have we fell into a black cow? You know, you, if you put your hand in the blender, is going to get mixed up in that because. Yeah. Yeah. Motion. Yeah. And a physical material is being pushed fast in one, one way. Yeah. And my material, my hand is less dense and softer. So that's my science.

00:42:17:17 – 00:42:39:08
That's what I like. I do like that. Okay. Like I just they, they just I call them the, the pressures are there if, if measured them, if they've somehow, again, like I, you just accept it. It sounds like he's telling the truth. So don't tell me. Sound like. Oh, basically a supermassive. Yeah, I always find it funny.

00:42:39:08 – 00:43:04:03
They use sort of normal adjectives, like supermassive for something. It's really it's not some more technical term for. Yeah. They just call it. Yeah. It's a supermassive black hole. We do have one of the emails I'm going to read out. Let me just see if it's, I can't scan it quick enough to see if this is the or.

00:43:04:05 – 00:43:11:16
Let me try this one here to say if it's the right. Let's go with this. Right.

00:43:11:18 – 00:43:34:17
Hello. That's I have a master's degree in physics, and I'm halfway through a Ph.D. in quantum physics. Not especially space related. My work is all particle physics. I started my degree doing astrophysics and very quickly bowed when I realized it meant standing outside at 11 p.m. in winter in York, fiddling with some dials to get a telescope to point at a star.

00:43:34:22 – 00:44:07:18
It wasn't for me. What I did find fascinating, however, was cosmology, the study of the origin and development of the universe. The most interesting thing to me was that of all matter in the observable universe, I've noticed that there's been a couple of observable universe that terminology we only know roughly 5% of it. This is just the ordinary matter that makes up stars, planets, and Johann Langer's fat head.

00:44:07:20 – 00:44:36:13
27% is dark matter, which is just some sort of matter we can infer the existence of from certain measurements, but does not interact with light, so we cannot see it. And the other and the other 68% is what we call dark energy. This is what we blame for the expansion of the universe. Brackets, or more accurately, the increase in the rate of expansion.

00:44:36:15 – 00:45:02:01
And we literally no fuck all about it. If you hadn't guessed, if we don't understand something, we just stick dark on the front of it and move on with our lives. One particular strange thing is that we pretty much understand everything that happened roughly one second after the Big Bang, but our understanding of what happened in that first second is very, very weak.

00:45:02:05 – 00:45:32:10
It is pretty well accepted that the Big Bang did happen, although there are some radicals who propose other theories, and we know that the universe will either end with a big freeze, Big Rip, Big Crunch, or Big Bounce. It's worth looking into what each of these terms mean. Interestingly, the area of science with the highest proportion of religious people is astrophysics, essentially because we have no idea how the Big Bang happened.

00:45:32:16 – 00:45:51:22
So why not say God did it? Yeah, of course we all know God doesn't exist, or else we never would have lost daddy. And big fan of all the pods. Keep up the good work. This is it is. That was fascinating, by the way. You fucking it is insane. And it is so good. Is getting on the pod.

00:45:51:24 – 00:46:08:12
Yes. You can say that. That's right, I know, I didn't I know, I know, I didn't think, I didn't think, all right, so what's happened to the nine over 11 episode that doesn't come out yet? I know he is. Have you made any plans to record? How about today? What is happening winds up recording happening tomorrow.

00:46:08:16 – 00:46:25:09
It's not happening tomorrow. You just making common misconceptions. It was a massive explosion in empty space. There is no outside space yet. So there wasn't any space before the Big Bang.

00:46:25:11 – 00:46:43:18
So what was it? It's a world. Yeah, well, yeah, that is weird. I thought there was space. It it's not an it is it. So it so it happened at one point in space. It didn't. It happened everywhere at once. I don't know what that means.

00:46:43:20 – 00:47:01:24
I thought it was sea rocks hit each other. Of course. Loads of energy. I thought the space is already there. Right. And then two rocks at each other. Yeah, one was a bit damp, one was a bit hot, and then the the wet in the heat made some kind of organism that was turned into it was not living on Earth, lost in space.

00:47:02:01 – 00:47:22:14
And there was a collision. This is what to look for. Well, it's just black everywhere. I went. I just got to this to each other. I thought it might be there, but not what there was. And then the collision of this massive collision caused such energy that the the universe started. That's kind of a thought that you can tell.

00:47:22:14 – 00:47:42:21
I've really kind of spent time looking into this. But what I mean, no one ever really does do that. I have no idea. But I'm sure I've seen sort of artistic impressions of the Big Bang. And these two rocks hit these. Yeah. It is. Yeah. And then there's like a beam of light that kind of comes around that looks like a vagina.

00:47:43:02 – 00:48:10:20
Or is it just, are we just thinking about asteroids colliding? And we and our brains are. It's like that cross, that thing called the Meccano effect or something that Carol bond. But there's a name for something where you remember stuff that is true. That never happened. Mandela is it the Mandela Effect? I think so. So there would be bits in, like things that you thought you heard in TV programs and you as a kid, you never did.

00:48:10:20 – 00:48:33:11
Yeah, but you never. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The reality is someone's just edited it. Yes. You did, you did hear it and it was there. But someone's face on Instagram Reels is really it. It's, I thought. Yeah, I thought the Mandela effect was that we believed in something, and it kind of becomes common knowledge that something did happen, but it actually didn't happen.

00:48:33:13 – 00:49:01:17
Fake knows anyway, right? We got another email as well from another fucking bright spark that listens to this. Hello, lads. There are people from more qualified and their mates talk about this and maybe some have already emailed in about this, but just in case they haven't, I thought I'd answer some of your questions. For context, I have a master's degree in physics and I work in medical physics, so I am by no means Stephen Hawkins, but I do have some credentials.

00:49:01:17 – 00:49:36:13
At least we don't actually know if space is infinite or not, but the part we can see is so unimaginably, unimaginably huge that for us, it may as well be. When we say the universe is expanding, we don't mean that new bits of space are being added to the edges. Instead, the fabric of space itself is stretching. This is one of the key pieces of evidence for the Big Bang, alongside other observations such as cosmic microwave background radiation.

00:49:36:15 – 00:50:08:02
You lost me there. May we observe that almost all galaxies are moving away from us, and the further away they are, the faster they are moving. Known as Hubble's Law. A helpful way to picture this is to imagine that galaxies are bits of fruit in a loaf of bread. As the dough rises in the oven, the full pieces, move apart not because they are actively moving away from each other, but because the dough between them is expanding.

00:50:08:04 – 00:50:39:14
Also, there is no center inside the dough as all bits of fruit see others moving away from them. By measuring how fast galaxies are moving apart, we can run the clock backwards and see that at one point, 13.8 billion years ago, the universe was incredibly hot, dense state, which is the Big Bang. Space looks dark because there is no atmosphere to scatter sunlight on Earth.

00:50:39:19 – 00:51:08:16
The sky is bright because air spreads the sun's light in all directions. In space, the light travels in straight lines. So unless you are looking directly at a star, everything looks black. Similarly, it is covered in space because there are very few particles. The sun heats, objects directly through radiation, but since there is hardly anything to store and transfer, the energy space stays cold.

00:51:08:18 – 00:51:27:13
If you were to float about in space, the sun's rays hitting you would, heat you up. Which is part of the reason why space suits are white. There's there's, you know, there's a lot more. There is a hell of a lot. Let's get this geezer on. Let's get him on this. Also get some fucking answers because that's that's that's a second geezer.

00:51:27:13 – 00:51:47:13
That is his on. Wait, wait. Let me. Well, where do they live? Where they live? I can't tell you, the names. Right. Listen, whoever this is, you send sending in, right. Message us and we'll do an episode where we just ask you these questions. Because basically what we've done on this episode is you say something and I'll go, I don't know.

00:51:47:16 – 00:52:09:02
And you and I, and you don't know. We don't know anything. We just reading these facts and these guys just. No, let's get them on. But did the moon landing happening? Is it physically possible to watch the moon landing. Some people go. It's not possible. The pressure, the, Right. So I say we have a waiver. You just said, what does it mean?

00:52:09:06 – 00:52:25:24
I don't know what you just said. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. All that stuff you just said. I don't know what that means. It's. Yeah, I mean, you got a good idea about that. Like the sun and the sun. Like in a loaf of bread? Yeah, that makes sense. You did it. Of course it fucking date what you're doing.

00:52:25:24 – 00:52:48:24
You what you just said. Yeah. You you thought you thought that actually it was space spreading and dragging the planets around rather than the planets moving themselves. No. And then when, like you said, a loaf of bread that was like, oh, okay. Well, let's see what I'm saying is, I don't know if that's true. We got to believe him because he's a fucking he's got masters in metaphysics or whatever.

00:52:48:24 – 00:53:05:20
He said, let's come on, let's ask questions. Okay. Well, I would think that we'll get the physics lads on there. Anyone can listen to fucking Brian Cock say some shit. And I'm like listening to it. And I'm like, well, I have to believe you because there's no world where I could challenge any of this stuff. So let's just.

00:53:05:22 – 00:53:32:20
I saw Who's the American geezer. There's quite a lot of American, Asian something. He's been on Tyson grass. God save him. Yeah, yeah, there's another bloke talking, and there's a new theory about, about what space is and time specifically, and how time works in space. And. Okay, apparently the dimensions connected by wormholes or some shit, I don't know.

00:53:32:24 – 00:53:51:03
Yeah. And I want to say something about Stranger Things. Yeah. Might have been. I don't know what. I can't remember what I said, but it was, like these different dimensions. Yeah. Not. Yeah. But. And they were blown. The mind was blown, and they were like, oh my God fucking. Oh. Like they're blowing each other's minds. Yeah, yeah.

00:53:51:03 – 00:54:09:09
And I'm like, this might as well have been in Arabic, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what what what you're saying. Why this is interesting. Right. Why why is your mind blown? Explain it to me like I'm five years old. Please. Because I don't know what you're talking about. But this is I think this is this has come full circle and said to finish it off.

00:54:09:09 – 00:54:33:21
Now whilst they are talking about that stuff. Right. And, you know, scientists come in with a new theory like you've just said in theory. And they said, actually, well, the way we look at things is from X, y, Z that, you know, it doesn't take that long for a star to rise. The burning stop. Bye bye bye bye, bra.

00:54:33:23 – 00:54:59:14
We've got a new theory. So what I'm saying is, like, I listen to coxae, I listen to this Tyson Grass say whatever his name is, the physics lads that are emailing in on. I hear what they're saying, but I just don't like how can I, how can I believe in what people say? So when it moves so quickly in the room or next week there's a new theory and it's like, what?

00:54:59:14 – 00:55:22:05
Do you know what everything you believed about the sun. Well, actually there's like five burning stars which make up the sun, I don't know, do you know, before we if you look out of space and you think, I hope pointless, but nothing matters, does it? Nothing matters? No. Because this fucking trillion million stars out there, we don't know why.

00:55:22:07 – 00:55:49:24
No. So why is Putin attacking Ukraine? Why is Trump now attacking Iran? I don't know, like just look up, explain that and then and then attack Iran. You have to. Otherwise it's like we are going to be space dust. All of us. Yeah we are, we are. And that's what you want to do. Instead of figuring out what the why the stars up there.

00:55:50:01 – 00:56:21:06
You want to, like, bomb Iran? Duncan I mean, that isn't there. I don't know if I'm butchering this, but there is. Apparently we know more about space than we do about the sea. I've heard that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just not how they found out. You know, they found, the deepest that what they thought is that there's no it can be no life or certainly no like fish whose life is like plankton and shit down there.

00:56:21:06 – 00:56:42:02
But there can be no fish below 808,000m, which is like five miles more than five miles down. Right. Okay. And the way they sent this little robot down, and they put some fish on the robot that fish to see if they would go anything would come down and eat it. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found these things.

00:56:42:03 – 00:57:12:11
It's near Japan. They found these snail fish, disgusting little things. But they they they just found those is my point. They didn't say. Yeah, yeah. And you know what I didn't know is because now he's for about putting a fish on a robot and sending it down this lot. Who cares if. Yeah, I think they really want. And what's money that I collect?

00:57:12:13 – 00:57:33:05
He wants to see what's in it. He wants to see what's in the trench. Dog down to see what's down there. Right. But it's like a tunnel. It's like, we found that out, and. But then there is a point in it about finding that stuff. You don't know. I just think with the cost of, petrol at the moment, like, maybe they could do that later on.

00:57:33:05 – 00:57:51:05
Let's get the price for, Well, I don't get it right. It's that way. So we know more about space than we do about the sea. The sea is, like, literally their physical. We can touch it. The sea's just there. Start studying the sea. Right. All the resources and stuff like that that we could use is there with space.

00:57:51:07 – 00:58:15:07
You're talking about a fucking burning star that's 55,000,000 trillion Brazilian miles away. Don't worry about that. It's nowhere near us. Yeah, worry about the sea. Let's use the sea. Go in the Mariana Trench and find something. Now find. Fly em free. Seven. Oh! What happened to it? Just disappeared. You haven't got the running order for this, have you?

00:58:15:09 – 00:58:25:09
What? Do you know what we're talking about next week? Are we talking about that? How are we ever,

00:58:25:11 – 00:58:50:12
Clearly. Right. That's enough space to actually. Do. You know what? Sorry. There's a couple of patrons that have, I said that, if a patron comments, I'll read out. First one are vivid memories of seeing the Hale-Bopp comment coming. Yeah. The the I highly comment how you comment that this is part four. There's a part I.

00:58:50:14 – 00:59:15:15
Yeah, there's a pub over the right could Halley's comet. Right? Yeah. You remember this is different, how this is called Hale-Bopp comment. I don't know if they're the same in 1997, as a ten year old and being mesmerized by the stars, since we tend to do a trip out to the Cotswolds when the meteor shower comes around in August and watch them together, you can pick out satellites like the ISS.

00:59:15:18 – 00:59:37:05
That's International Space Station, I think. Unfortunately, never seen anything unexplained like that. Very good. Thank you for that. When I, when I, where I live, if we turn all the lights off where I used to live, you would see satellites and shooting stars all the time. I'd never seen one in my entire life until I moved out to the countryside.

00:59:37:05 – 00:59:57:11
And. And you look up there on, like, a summer evening. You might see. You could probably see Shooting Star every couple of minutes. Fuck off. Really? Yeah. Or Shooting star or satellites more often than you see this. I've never. I've never seen anything. Not. Yeah, well, you just see the. It looks like a star just moving across the sky, but it ain't.

00:59:57:12 – 01:00:29:07
It's like it's a piece of metal with the light reflecting off it. I, I think I'd freak out if I thought I'm pretty cool. It is. Good. Yeah. Meteor showers. And you see a few of you. Yeah. That would. Yeah, that would fucking proper scare me. Like I'm in. I remember, I know when I used to, smoke, smoke, smoke the Urb and I was out in the garden having a little blazer, and I saw this light and it was moving across, and I thought, fucking hell, that's a, satellite or something.

01:00:29:13 – 01:00:52:19
And I was. I started proper trip because I couldn't think of what it was, and it was bright and all that light. And then as I got closer, I could hear. And it was actually a plain sight. Listen to this. Hailey's comment was my hated comment is my comment is made up of no, it's called a dirty snowball, something I do.

01:00:52:19 – 01:01:27:10
Your mom, composed of volatile ices, water, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, methane and ammonia mixed with dust and rocky materials. Solid dark nucleus releases these materials as jets when passing near the sun, forming a glowing cone, coma and tail. Right, right, right. Yeah. The herb coughing. The herb coughing. That is, well, I slap, you know, you know that, you know.

01:01:27:10 – 01:01:55:12
What is that? Coughing. The herb is human traffic. And the one, Fuck. We've got one more. Let's come in. Hello, fella. I fucking love space. While there's loads to talk about, I once saved this little snippet from a podcast called The Science of Everything. Episode 11 is about the creation of the universe. Whilst part of the bigger conversation, it really struck a chord with me.

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I've attached my screen recording. Definitely looking forward to listening to the podcast. Have you got the, clip that I sent over in, email that this gentleman? Yeah. Let's play it.

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Go download it. Nye. Yeah.

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Reasonable. Right. And so in answer to the question of why the universe came into existence, I offer the modest proposal that our universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time as a result of random quantum fluctuations. And that's a quote from a Scientific American article that I read you. The universe is simply one of those things that happens from time to time as a result of random quantum fluctuations.

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That may seem like a very bold proposal, but as I've mentioned here, many physicists are taking ideas. This idea and ideas very much like this very seriously just happens every now and then. Yeah, I mean, the thing I love about this is that so the person that sent this in, they've picked this up themselves of this conversation and it really struck a chord with them.

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One of those things which happened time to time as a result of random quantum fluctuations. I don't know how that is applicable in someone's life. In the daily life that crept up like you're you're getting the beans from Tesco's pick up a can and just be like, random, random. But that's that's it's just a random thing.

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Random threaten that. That is how that is how the universe began of just a series of random. Yeah. Well, I, I'm more to the point like life I life, right. I just random and it just happened this now I spend all my time on this random event worrying about a football club that I can't control. So that's what I think.

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That's what I've done with my time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Glad you brought that. Because I had one hour of life where I have wasn't. That's been the end of that conversation. We all going to go on to something only, you know, as we mentioned during the pod, the topic for next week is the Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 or MH 370.

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It was carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew members when it vanished, becoming one of the world's most enduring aviation mysteries. Join us next week where I and Flav will investigate that. I don't know, I mean, I might, I might, fucking pussy out there. What do you mean? Because I'm gonna because I'm going to start reading and research and being like, God, I don't feel good.

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I don't feel good. I might see if there's any documentaries I can watch. Maybe I've got all these olives at work tonight. Maybe I'll, shit. Random and on YouTube. Watch documentary about that. I have a little blast. I mean, I was just obsessed by it when it happened. Yeah. I mean, speak to Ben and find out what the logical thing is.

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I, well, we'll talk about it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to get, get Ben to send a little voice note in, Yes. So. Oh, by the way, as well, so that was a topic for next week. If you have any more suggestions for topics that you want flavonoids to cover, send in to Ladd's Anon pod, gmail.com.

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And we will cover the topics as a podcast. Now we're going to go into something and, you know, coffee and herb coffee or.

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What? We did something. Anything.

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Well, something, you know. Oh, are you sitting comfortably? Then I shall begin. So I went to the Reading Festival in 2008. I think I went in 2009, I can't remember just how did the three, did the three day camping? It was going great. Got there Thursday evening, managed to get past the sniffer dogs at the train station with a big bag of weed, and my rucksack got through bag searches by hiding behind, this lump and squeezing through.

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Set my tent up crowded joint and it was all good. Friday was awesome. Great music. I was nice and wasted. Woke up on Saturday and went over to the toilet area to do my morning constitutional. You know the scene, those containers, those container like crates with about 12 cubicles on top, six on each side, back to back.

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This is what we spoke about this the other day. Didn't wait. Yeah. So I think we've joked someone's memory. Well, I went up the stairs and found the cubicle with the least shit and piss spread everywhere and balanced myself above the hull, breathing through my mouth and trying not to look down. I must have been there five minutes, maybe, when all of a sudden there was this really loud rumbling noise, like the sound of a car wash when it hits your windscreen.

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I barely had time to work out what the noise was, when suddenly all this water came spraying up from underneath a through the gaps between the rivets, between the rivet walls of the cubicle. Not create, not clean water. This was shitty water with the loo road particles and stuff. What the fuck? I screamed and jumped out of the cubicle.

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The fuckers were jet washing the fucking toilet, covering me with Facebook. I was poo and paper in the process. Well, one of the cleaners came rushing over the steps of the cubicle. Should have had a ferry across it saying that they were closed for cleaning. Somehow I'd not seen it or they had forgotten to put it up. Anyway, they rushed me to the shower block, stinking, covered in shit and retching.

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I got washed and that was that. I didn't use the toilets again for the rest of the festival. I took a shit in a pizza box in my tent. I put it in the bin for the rest of the festival, and that is something I know. I know, very good. God, that is good. That is absolutely disgusting. I was like the bit at the end, like having a shit in a pizza box in your tent each evening to and fro in the bin.

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Have you ever had to do a poo in like, I don't know, a crisp packet? Or could you prune a crisp packet? You know, there was, there was this time when I was at university where. So I think I don't know how we broke the toilet, but we broke it. And so there was a moment where we were having like, I didn't do this.

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Just to be clear, I waited till I got to college. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Some people were put in like a bin and then they would put into a like a bin bag or like a, yeah, a plastic bag and then tie it up and then take it out. I'd never done it. I wouldn't do that. Okay.

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Right. But when, when we were in the bag and just fling it as far as you could. Well, yeah, I was about to. I was kind of like. So I got locked out of my. Well. So I got home from work, my missus was out with the kids. I went to the back garden, just sat on the bench for a summer, and I didn't know what to do, just, you know, kick in my heels for the last half hour.

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But till they got home and I realized that my wee job was outside and I was like, oh, fucking skinny little I have a little one skin while I wait for them at the one skin. And as I got to the end, lo and behold, the stomach was a rumbling. I needed a shit and I didn't know what to do.

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And I looked to my left and my daughter's sandpit was there. And you know, one of those pink shells with a lit. Yeah. And I looked there was a there was a red bucket, a castle bucket for me. And I was like, may I, I'm, I have to go, have to go, have to go. And I was like, shit.

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And I think I was wearing a coat at the time. And, I kind of shimmied my trousers down and did a poo in the bucket where no one could see what I was doing, but I'd done a shit in a bucket, right? Pull my cakes up. And then I stood there and I had this realization of, I'm holding a red castle bucket with a massive Lincoln Logan.

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And I didn't know what to do, and I panicked because my missus and kids were going to be dying. So whilst I did panic, I don't know why I did it, but I did it, and I hold it as far like your back garden. I was in my back garden and I it was like I live in a old Victorian terraced housing estate.

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This is rows and rows of gardens and it was like a where it came from. It was like a I did a shot put with this Red castle bucket with my fucking dirt snake in there, and fruit as far as I could just think some poor bastard was going to go in that garden in the summer. I'd be like, oh, someone's trying to this a red bucket.

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And they flipped open. There's no fucking turd just sitting there looking at them. Terrible. Oh my God, I know I'm terrible. Okay, right. That's be the end of lots. Anonymous. Next week we're doing the the lost Malaysia flight. Sending anything that you want know on pod at gmail.com. Patrons, you get your video, you get your audio at free.

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Everything else, you get that today, Friday, all the normies. We'll see you Monday. Have a lovely way. Goodbye. Oh.

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Gareth Flavell: How are you finding this weather? I'm always interested in…

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Flav: Not good.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah ah

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Flav: Not good. Today's all right. It's like 22. It's still a bit muggy, but it's not too bad.

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Gareth Flavell: m

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Flav: But I had two days shoot in London today and it was hell. because not only do you have to go to go through London, you arrive and you're just a fucking mess.

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Gareth Flavell: Sweaty mess. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Flav: Yeah, and you've been walking and um and you can't cool down. You have to sit still for half an hour for it cool down, but you don't have half an hour, so you've got to straight in front of these cameras that going going out to the internet, so it just looked terrible.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: but

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Gareth Flavell: And the lights that would be kicking out heat and everything.

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Flav: Mate, they turn the air con off because they don't want to hear it.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: And you're like, no one, it's YouTube. No one fucking cares if you can hear a slow murmur. I'm boiling, a melting here.

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Gareth Flavell: When I go for a walk in the morning and I've got my weighted vest on, i come back and I'm um'm fucking soaked and I have to take my t-shirt off. And if I, you know, if I take my t-shirt off and I get dressed into someone else, it's just the second item is going to be wet.

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Gareth Flavell: So I have to stand around like for a half hour.

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Flav: There, Drayton.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Air dry myself. Um, But more often than not, I'll just… And even if you do that and you jump in the shower and you come out, you're just still sweating again. you just can't can't get away from it.

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Flav: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What I've found in this ah from this week, because I've had a lot of work, actually.

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Flav: I've been booked for a lot of things, which is where yeah it's really good considering having like the existential crisis of what might happen if Spurs get relegated.

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Gareth Flavell: That's good.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah that

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Flav: So the summer looking quite busy is ah is is really good. Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, boy.

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Flav: But what i found is it's weird is that this isn't necessarily about how good you are doing your job.

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Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

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Flav: <unk>s A lot of it's about how can you build relationships? That's what i found out through the years is Every opportunity comes from relationships

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Gareth Flavell: Correct.

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Flav: and and and and to a good degree nepotism. um But that's not a negative thing because they know and trust you to be able to do something. That's often why you might get booked for something.

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Flav: I just thinking about how this these bookings have happened. And in part, it's been able to do your job. But mostly, it's about the relationships you've built. And like this idea of networking.

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Gareth Flavell: Yes.

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Flav: And when I think of networking, I think of ah walking walking into a room I don't know anyone and having to make conversation.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Flav: It's not really that. it's it's It's thinking about the relationships you have around you. and working on those relationships professionally and then and then by extension the relationships that that person has you can potentially benefit from so it becomes like a web of opportunity but it took years taken me years to realize that really has not or maybe to see it in work in action maybe that's what it is

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. What do you mean by nepotism? I always thought nepotism was ah like family. Like,

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Flav: yeah It is, it is, is. It's like giving an opportunity to your kid because he's your kid.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah.

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Flav: But but what I mean is like, cro maybe cronyism, I think it might be the word. I'm not sure. One word means that you're saying it's job for the boys. It is that.

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Gareth Flavell: Yes.

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Flav: It kind of is that.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Flav: but But what I'm articulating is it's not if you can nurture an environment where you benefit by maintaining and and and in nourishing relationships.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: and it's stuff you just don't get taught at school or understand maybe you don't understand it or maybe it's just because I work for myself I have to ah this stuff has become evident to me oh if you've got a job you don't you've got a job you got nine to five you get paid you um you go home you pay your taxes that's your job there's your salary there so you don't have to worry about it but the more I'm

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: when you're having to work for yourself and then you realize opportunity comes from relationships and if you nourish those relationships the you can benefit from the relationships beyond that relationship the the next stage and then beyond that it's it's it's really all of this stuff where whatever industry you work in you have to be good at what you do obviously but once that's it's not enough just to be good you have to

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: you have to You have to develop, nourish and encourage and expand relationships. And that's why like so much work is done in pubs. And i was in elsewhere, gym like other don't I know what I'm saying.

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Gareth Flavell: Right.

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Flav: I was thinking a lot about yesterday when I was walking through the boiling hot heat of central London and going from one, I've got two jobs in a day, which is amazing. like Honestly, Ricky, we sorry, I'm talking a lot here.

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Flav: but i'm i' written um

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Gareth Flavell: No, no, no, go for it. Go for

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Flav: I had a job yesterday and I was like, this is not work. This is not work. I sat down.

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Gareth Flavell: it. Was it fun?

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Flav: It was just sitting, we were sitting down a conversation, round table, talking about football, talking about how England might do in the World Cup and looking at the squad.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

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Flav: And they said, we don't want you to just imagine you're in a pub with your mates, have that conversation. And I was like, all right. And then you were given Heineken.

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Gareth Flavell: what

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Flav: Yeah, so we just sat there, drank Eineken and talked about the World Cup and then was like, all right, that's work. That's four hours in and out. It's like, I was talking, so did you know Ade Oladipo?

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Flav: He does the boxing, host boxing.

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Gareth Flavell: no

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Flav: All right, okay. I was sitting next to room him and he looked at me goes, this is mental.

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Gareth Flavell: ah

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Flav: Anyway, ri what was he supposed to be talking about?

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Gareth Flavell: ah Well, ah what do you not know what the… no what weird but the um

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Flav: No, what we usually start with some preamble.

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Gareth Flavell: Right. No, I mean, it's just mainly weather. It's mainly weather because I wanted to, because we all, um I know you should never, the fourth wall and all that. lot And I do apologize for this, but it kind of, it's a bridge to what we're going to talk but talk about.

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Gareth Flavell: But in the boiling hot weather, we were all taking photos of ourselves in the WhatsApp group and we all were real just in shorts.

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Flav: yeah

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Gareth Flavell: ah Nobody had t-shirts on. Everyone's sitting in direct sunlight. Everyone's like, like loving how sunny it is. And then you sent a photo of you and you just had your, you ah you didn't have jeans on.

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Flav: no

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Gareth Flavell: No, but you had Travis on and you were like, I'm not, like I'm not that guy. I'll never be that guy.

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Flav: ah I don't own any shorts.

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Gareth Flavell: Fuck off.

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Flav: ah I own just swimming shorts, but I can't really walk around in swimming shorts.

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Gareth Flavell: no No, that'd be weird. Yeah.

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Flav: Yeah, so I mean, they were rolled up a lot. The trousers, they're lightweight. I've got one now, actually. They're lightweight material.

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Gareth Flavell: Mid-shit rolled up to like mid-chin if that.

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Flav: Yeah, no, i didn't have socks on.

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Gareth Flavell: ah

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Flav: No, I just don't know.

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Gareth Flavell: what is it? Are you, are you uncomfortable wearing shorts? Are you uncomfortable with the way your legs are or is it you just, you much prefer to wear trousers?

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Flav: I don't know. i haven't really given it much thought. I just don't own any shorts. I never go out and buy shorts.

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Gareth Flavell: That's mad.

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Flav: i did actually see an um an amazing pair online other day, which I nearly bought, which looked like the Croatia flag, but it were red and white, so I didn't.

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Gareth Flavell: That's mental.

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Flav: Yeah, yeah but they but the design of the short, the the way it was put together, was like, I'd definitely wear them.

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Gareth Flavell: What about some lovely little, like little, were you know, the cargo shorts?

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Flav: But they were quite expensive.

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Gareth Flavell: Like you can get pretty green, CP company, those type of like casual type shorts.

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Flav: yeah maybe. All right, I'll get some shorts.

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Gareth Flavell: You'd look lovely in them.

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Flav: I'll get some shorts, all right?

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Gareth Flavell: I'm just, I'm worried about you just being pink and sweaty and just…

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Flav: <unk> That wasn't… That's nothing to do with it. That was some fucking walking through London and having to sit under studio lights with have the air conditioning turned off.

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Gareth Flavell: That is mental, by the way

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Flav: Yeah, it's crazy. Just turn the air conditioning on. Just turn it on. No one cares. It's fucking melting.

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Gareth Flavell: the way. With a air con as well, what are you like around your house? Like, as in fans? A lot of people now, they're going out, can't take it, air con units. I'm never going fucking be that guy. Fuck that.

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Flav: Uh… and I don't buy Yeah, of course.

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Gareth Flavell: Fans on at night, all that all that's stuff.

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Flav: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Right.

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Flav: We're having the fans on. um Yeah, on the two nights we had we had a fan on all night. The kids had their fans on. um Windows open. Luckily, because of the way you'll see it when you come down next week, in a couple of weeks. But the house is quite wide.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: So the back of the house gets sun all day and it comes in and and Chloe's room is like a sauna.

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Gareth Flavell: Oof.

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Flav: But ah we… um where our bedroom is and where Will's is along the same wall on the other side, it's actually not. It's quite cool. Relatively cool. Still warm.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Flav: So it depends where the sun is. But um yeah, fans on all night. you You let the girls have the fans on, me

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, um well, kind of. This is what i you know wanted to talk about.

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Flav: You can't…

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Gareth Flavell: But like it's really weird.

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Flav: he can't

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Gareth Flavell: I have, not just me, but my kids as well, we have this thing that if you… It's built into them. It's not so much into me. But if you have a fan on all night and it's whirring around all night, the fan will get hot and you don't want it to…

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Gareth Flavell: catch on fire and then you and then you die in your sleep the you know the the house that's on fire but when we were in spain fans were on all night all night all day doesn't matter but in england where it's probably safer yeah

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Flav: girls what want them off because they're scared? Well, that's that's out but that's fine. As long as it's not because you didn't want to save the one pound in electricity.

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Gareth Flavell: no no that is me as well

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Flav: As long as it's not that. No, I mean, some i know family that has to sleep with a fan on every night. They can't go to sleep without a fan, even in the winter. They have to have that air on their face, at the sound.

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Flav: It's almost like they've become used to kind of the… that's that That sound they found really comfortable and comfortable. It's quite common. It's more common than you think.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, like a white noisy type.

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Flav: Yeah, and and this sort of breeze on their face kind of thing. You know, like…

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Gareth Flavell: That is, that's mental. I

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Flav: You know, Wayne Rooney sleeps with a hairdryer blowing in his face.

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Gareth Flavell: was going to mention that.

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Flav: That's a mellow.

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Gareth Flavell: Because if I've got a um fan, tell you what, one fucking thing about the sun is flies. And there's a fly just buzzing around my kitchen and it keeps coming towards me. I'll fucking knock it out in a minute. um Fans on at night, when I wake up in the morning, like my eyes are dry.

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Gareth Flavell: kind of feel a bit hungover. It's a bit, I don't, I don't know. I'm just a bit of a

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Flav: um this um the You know I'm taking these ametriptyline tablets.

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Gareth Flavell: Oh yeah. Yeah.

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Flav: Mate, I'm fucking, I've never slept so well in all my life. the i'm I am going to sleep and I'm waking up when my alarm goes. And my alarm will my alarm could be at 10 in the morning.

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Flav: i will if ah I will fall asleep at nine and I'll wake up at 10 in the morning, whatever. it It never is, but they, honestly, the sleep has been insane.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: When you wake up, are you like groggy? ah Like, is it from a deep, like, like, you know, from like when I used to smoke weed, right.

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Flav: A little bit.

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Flav: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: And I would wake up in the morning and not, I could barely lift my eyes. Like my eyes are like deep set into the back of my skull. And I was like Oh, fucking hell man. This is, yeah, I know.

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Flav: just landed on your head.

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Flav: Yeah, a bit like that.

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Gareth Flavell: ah

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Flav: It takes about half an hour to get going, but yeah, the payoff.

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Gareth Flavell: Right, okay.

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Flav: I mean, that's one of the side effects of it. It's like they make you sleepy. um But sleeping is like, I just shut my eyes and i' get nine hours guaranteed. I'm like, this is insane.

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Gareth Flavell: That's Reem.

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Flav: Yeah, there are other side effects as well. They'll take a little bit long. like there' um You get dry mouth in during the night. So on the odd occasion, I have had to wake up because there's just no saliva in my mouth.

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Gareth Flavell: ah

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Flav: if have But like but like its ten it's tapering off now. All the side effects are coming with kind of tapering off. So that that doesn't happen at

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Gareth Flavell: ah Have you ever had it when you've got like really dry mouth and your your tongue is like a cat's tongue.

00:12:25.08
Flav: Yeah, that's what it's like.

00:12:25.16
Gareth Flavell: It's so dry. There's nothing in there. Oh God, that's disgusting. That is disgusting.

00:12:29.58
Flav: Yeah.

00:12:30.62
Gareth Flavell: Right. Should we crack on?

00:12:31.70
Flav: Yeah, go on.

00:12:59.06
Gareth Flavell: Hello and welcome to Lads Anonymous. It's episode 151. I'm Ricky, he's Flav, two best mates, one main topic. We answer your life dilemmas and confessions in our feature, Something Only You Know. And everything remains anonymous, always. So sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast.

00:13:17.21
Gareth Flavell: um Were you going to say something and

00:13:20.92
Flav: Walk one.

00:13:22.23
Gareth Flavell: Wagwan.

00:13:23.03
Flav: Walk one.

00:13:24.15
Gareth Flavell: Whoa, throwing it back there.

00:13:26.76
Flav: Plug.

00:13:26.91
Gareth Flavell: I…

00:13:27.44
Flav: Oh.

00:13:28.71
Gareth Flavell: haven't said that in years. I say it in WhatsApp groups, but i don't, you know.

00:13:30.22
Flav: It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. Good.

00:13:34.10
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it's fine. the um we we We do have another voice note for Don't Listen.

00:13:40.28
Flav: good

00:13:40.66
Gareth Flavell: ah When I was uploading it, actually, I did see it's a short one, so fuck knows what that is if you were This feature that we're about to run… Don't listen. Really simple. You send in a voice note.

00:13:53.75
Gareth Flavell: We won't listen. It can be anything. It's your time in the sun, your time to be on the podcast. You can say whatever you like. We, you know, we're going to be playing it live. So please no racisms or anything like that. That would be thankful.

00:14:07.16
Gareth Flavell: um Send it into ladsanonpod at gmail.com and we'll play it on the show. Send it in. and one more bit of housekeeping before we crack on.

00:14:19.32
Gareth Flavell: The Lads Anonymous Fantasy Premier League. The FPL season is now over. And I just want to say, I know it's Lads. I know it's anonymous. But I will use the first name only.

00:14:33.82
Gareth Flavell: Many congratulations to Josh with his team Starship Troopers. could never say that. Many congratulations, mate. You've hung in at the top for for a while now.

00:14:47.58
Gareth Flavell: No one was catching you. And there was like the the top three was interchangeable at times. But well done, mate. You hung in there. So fair play to you. Right. We are now going to listen to the Don't Listen voice note.

00:15:16.70
Flav: I think what we just heard was ah it was Gollum and a man having a poo, I think.

00:15:23.54
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, that was Gollum, yeah. Poe, yeah, yeah, the second Poe. That is…

00:15:30.78
Flav: Thanks.

00:15:31.30
Gareth Flavell: I quite like the guy. I want to hear him do his Gollum again.

00:15:33.82
Flav: No.

00:15:43.03
Flav: Oh, God, that's disgusting.

00:15:43.89
Gareth Flavell: God.

00:15:44.39
Flav: That is disgusting.

00:15:46.20
Gareth Flavell: What? I want to know. what did did he He did it making me do things, and then he turns back to his normal voice, and he says something.

00:15:52.73
Flav: I don't care.

00:15:53.78
Gareth Flavell: And then it goes to dirty poop. Right, okay.

00:15:56.06
Flav: Move on.

00:15:56.58
Gareth Flavell: Fair enough.

00:15:57.90
Flav: Thanks for that. Good.

00:15:58.68
Gareth Flavell: um Yeah, send them in. Send more in. not no No more poos. We've done two poos now. Enough of the poos, right? Do you know what we're talking about today?

00:16:07.78
Flav: I'm sure I'm smoking a pancake.

00:16:08.54
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, boy

00:16:12.82
Gareth Flavell: What's the first thing that springs to mind?

00:16:15.64
Flav: Magic mushrooms.

00:16:17.40
Gareth Flavell: Is it really?

00:16:17.93
Flav: Truffles, truffles, yeah, yeah. Weed, prostitutes, that's all the cliché things.

00:16:22.30
Gareth Flavell: yeah o

00:16:24.90
Flav: It's actually so much more than that. I've been to Amsterdam probably more than any other city outside London, I'd i'd imagine.

00:16:29.94
Gareth Flavell: Fucking hell, look at you.

00:16:31.06
Flav: Must have gone, must have done

00:16:35.70
Flav: at least seven times, maybe eight.

00:16:38.52
Gareth Flavell: Jesus Christ.

00:16:39.56
Flav: I took week there once, that was too much.

00:16:42.84
Gareth Flavell: what Why were you there for the… Was that for…

00:16:45.82
Flav: ah Well, they're supposed to be there for two days for Tottenham.

00:16:47.63
Gareth Flavell: Tottenham?

00:16:50.63
Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

00:16:51.54
Flav: So people that aren't Spurs fans who listening to this, Spurs got to the Champions League final. The final was in… ah Sorry, semi-final. And we were playing a team called Ajax of Amsterdam.

00:17:02.81
Flav: And I'd already booked in that week to go to Amsterdam. Just a complete coincidence. Me and my wife.

00:17:09.59
Gareth Flavell: Oh.

00:17:09.85
Flav: So i i was like… was saying to my wife… what was supposed to happen is I would, what actually was supposed to happen. the reason why we booked to go to Amsterdam is because we were making a doc, we wanted to make a documentary about the relationship between Ajax fans and Tottenham fans.

00:17:24.34
Gareth Flavell: Right.

00:17:25.24
Flav: Yeah. So we'd planned to go there and that chance happened. We ended up facing each other in that same week.

00:17:30.52
Gareth Flavell: Oh, God.

00:17:30.94
Flav: So our plan was to go out on, on a Friday to Monday,

00:17:31.13
Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

00:17:36.73
Flav: And I, um obviously Spurs were playing. So we ended up going, flying out and on Monday. and And I just stayed up until the following Monday.

00:17:49.10
Flav: So I got a new flight, basically, and I met my missus on the Friday. Does that make sense? So originally I planned to fly on Friday, but instead I went Monday, watch the Spurs game, and then all my mates left.

00:17:54.81
Gareth Flavell: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah ah No, I wasn't there.

00:17:59.57
Flav: Oh, you know, you left. Where was you? You were there. All right, all my brothers but brothers left. and Anyway, so I spent a week in Amsterdam. That's too long for any tourist to be in Amsterdam for.

00:18:11.46
Gareth Flavell: I think it's too long for any person to be in a like a smaller capital city like Amsterdam. like

00:18:17.62
Flav: Especially it's all around drink.

00:18:18.26
Gareth Flavell: I wouldn't go to Lisbon for a week or Madrid for a week or…

00:18:22.17
Flav: But so Amsterdam especially has so much to offer that it's too much to do in a week. it's too You're there for too long. You do damage to yourself.

00:18:30.42
Gareth Flavell: Wait, ah even though you were there working, were you still dabbling and getting getting amongst it?

00:18:34.39
Flav: you Yeah,

00:18:37.84
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:18:38.36
Flav: yeah yeah, yeah. But with the problem that we had there, right, is when so the way Spurs beat Ajax in the last minute, coming from two, three goals down effectively, to go through, meant that the relationship between the Ajax fans and Tottenham fans evaporated.

00:18:43.29
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:18:54.23
Flav: And so we didn't have a documentary because they none of them wanted to talk to us.

00:18:57.77
Gareth Flavell: Oh, yeah, sure, sure.

00:18:58.97
Flav: So we ended up making the documentary about the game itself. You can go and watch it now It's still on Vimeo. 90 plus six, it's called.

00:19:04.92
Gareth Flavell: Yes. It's quality as well.

00:19:07.09
Flav: Yeah, it was good.

00:19:07.90
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it is quality.

00:19:08.09
Flav: yeah um

00:19:08.89
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:19:10.33
Flav: But that that was i by the end. Well, the end of that story, Ricky, is that I was trying to um I was had enough. I was emotional.

00:19:21.82
Flav: And we were all getting some food and we were going to go home.

00:19:25.53
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:19:26.58
Flav: um And then what I didn't realize is when I tried to check in, my ticket wasn't working. And what I learned on that day was that… When you don't turn up for your… So basically i had two flights going out, remember?

00:19:40.50
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:19:41.33
Flav: So I bought a no out but second out but about outbound flight and was hoping I could just use my return flight from the first ticket it's bought or just fly back that way.

00:19:45.59
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:19:50.42
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, of course you haven't canceled it.

00:19:50.84
Flav: but

00:19:51.62
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, sure. You can use it.

00:19:53.47
Flav: Airlines cancel it. If you don't show up for your first flight, they they sell you so the return flight again for you.

00:19:58.97
Gareth Flavell: i I didn't know that until this story.

00:20:01.43
Flav: Yeah. So not only was I done and was really tired, I then wasn't allowed to go home. So I had to spend another night in Amsterdam.

00:20:11.70
Gareth Flavell: ah On your own?

00:20:13.18
Flav: And my own, they all went, yeah, in a single tear.

00:20:14.20
Gareth Flavell: And yeah you have to wave your wife off?

00:20:19.02
Flav: Rolled down, and for I had to find a new hotel. i had to do all the admin. I had to find a hotel.

00:20:22.68
Gareth Flavell: Oh, no

00:20:24.41
Flav: it was terrible. Do

00:20:25.88
Gareth Flavell: ah so ah saw your hotel as well.

00:20:28.41
Flav: you remember it?

00:20:28.95
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, well, no, you were sending photos and you were saying how depressed you you were that you were in this horrendous fucking…

00:20:35.26
Flav: It was like a um hostel.

00:20:38.24
Gareth Flavell: God.

00:20:38.46
Flav: But you imagine how much money you've blown in a week in Amsterdam, then you've got to do another week and book a new flight. It was fucking… Do you know who sorted this out?

00:20:46.49
Gareth Flavell: Big dog.

00:20:46.61
Flav: You know. be Big, big dog Ben.

00:20:47.13
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, course. Course he did.

00:20:49.24
Flav: What a legend. What a legend.

00:20:50.74
Gareth Flavell: What was your first um your first trip to Amsterdam?

00:20:54.71
Flav: First trip to Amsterdam was about 17. And i stayed on a boat.

00:21:02.09
Flav: Stayed on a boat.

00:21:03.24
Gareth Flavell: Who did you go with?

00:21:04.75
Flav: Amelia's brother, my ex-girlfriend's brother.

00:21:07.67
Gareth Flavell: ah right.

00:21:08.66
Flav: Yeah, he didn't drink. He doesn't drink or smoke. So it was kind of like,

00:21:12.28
Gareth Flavell: oh but what Why was he going there? Did he…

00:21:15.02
Flav: I don't know. i don't I don't know if he did. might have done. I don't know. I remember actually buying some porn mags back then when I was 17. And thought, I'm going to take these home. Because Amsterdam, no one's embarrassed to go into a sex shop in Amsterdam because it's like so liberated.

00:21:29.04
Gareth Flavell: Were you… Like, when you went in, were you not embarrassed? we we Right.

00:21:32.55
Flav: I don't remember going in. I just remember having these magazines.

00:21:34.58
Gareth Flavell: ya hey Yeah, yeah. I'd still be a bit like, oh God.

00:21:38.77
Flav: They're probably, probably. um And then I've been in the sex shop in London as well. i was embarrassed then. Like in an old one when you buy VHS tapes.

00:21:48.17
Gareth Flavell: Oh, God, yeah.

00:21:48.66
Flav: But I had no DVDs, DVDs.

00:21:51.38
Gareth Flavell: and I don't think I've ever…

00:21:51.44
Flav: DVDs in London. It's,

00:21:52.78
Gareth Flavell: Actually, I have been in one, but in Milton Keynes as well. It was in a a place called Fenny Stratford, and it was like, oh, there's a sex shop, oh, there's DVDs, and it's like me and my mates are like, let's go in and have a look when we're younger, just going in, just seeing loads of porn DVDs and being like, no one's going to buy anything, just run out, and hopefully no one see it saw us go in there.

00:22:13.64
Flav: Well, I was so nervous and I went in I was just scanning the walls, just for not really looking anything.

00:22:18.74
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Not making eye contact with tears.

00:22:19.77
Flav: and ah And then then i think, can't remember what it was, but sort stopped and I looked up and it was like, trans porn.

00:22:28.70
Gareth Flavell: ah yeah.

00:22:28.87
Flav: was like, stopped. But I stopped like I was interested in something and that's what it that's what it was. um Anyway, i yeah ah in Amsterdam, was like, I took these two magazines and I thought that's great i'll have them when I get home you if i need to have a wank I've got these two magazines and i don't know why how how badly I did this but my missus must have found them within 15 minutes of me being over yeah she wasn't happy

00:22:45.45
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:22:48.57
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah.

00:22:56.64
Gareth Flavell: Oh,

00:22:59.06
Gareth Flavell: but she Was she was angry?

00:23:00.79
Flav: Yeah, she was. She was a bit like that. Like, she just, I didn't think she, I think some young, ah don I don't know.

00:23:03.07
Gareth Flavell: Oh.

00:23:07.80
Flav: think she just thought it was like cheating or she wasn't good enough. but It was like, it's not, you're not good enough. just, it's just, it's just like cheap, get it done stuff.

00:23:15.13
Gareth Flavell: Smack.

00:23:18.84
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah. what You were saying you were boat. like what the What the fuck is that?

00:23:21.94
Flav: Yeah, you there's loads of hotel boats. You can stay, you know, there's like boats in the thing. You can you can hire the boats, or not to drive, but you can sleep. They're like cabins. You sleep in them for, like it's quite cheap.

00:23:30.87
Gareth Flavell: wow.

00:23:31.54
Flav: It's quite, it's the cheapest way to stay, I think. I've done it with Ollie once when I've been, yeah.

00:23:34.07
Gareth Flavell: a I'd like to do that. my my um My first one…

00:23:38.36
Flav: When was the first time?

00:23:42.30
Gareth Flavell: was when I was 17, 18, maybe. and it was like, as you can imagine, young lads.

00:23:53.93
Gareth Flavell: Around about that time, i kind of remember, I wasn't really a massive weed smoker. So it wasn't something that I was like, and I wasn't really as quite, um is the saying green behind the gills?

00:24:09.07
Flav: Yeah, anyway. Yeah.

00:24:09.98
Gareth Flavell: Green behind the ears.

00:24:10.74
Flav: great yeah anyway

00:24:12.31
Gareth Flavell: ah um But yeah, I was quite noobs to the drug scene back then.

00:24:17.11
Flav: yeah

00:24:17.62
Gareth Flavell: And so I'd gone with like, let's say 10 of my mates. And this is back when I was 17, 18. So we hadn't sorted out anywhere to stay.

00:24:28.53
Gareth Flavell: We just got flights over there.

00:24:29.94
Flav: but

00:24:30.39
Gareth Flavell: We were walking like just, it was like the in-betweeners lads, like with a backpack on. walking through the streets of uh amsterdam and we had no idea what we're doing just going into place to place hotel to hotel and we found this gaff called the last waterhole and it was a youth hostel and we all walked in there and we said we're looking for a place to say there's 10 of us do you have any room and loads of people turned us down there's 10 lads who fucking wants that noise

00:25:03.90
Gareth Flavell: And the guy was, he was a fucking crazy Glaswegian geezer. And he was like, yeah, I've got room. um And he's like, we all together? And we're like, yeah yeah, And he goes, I can fit you all in in one room. We were like, what, one room?

00:25:15.16
Gareth Flavell: And he was like, yeah, yeah, you want it. And were like, yes, please take our money.

00:25:18.28
Flav: Right.

00:25:19.70
Gareth Flavell: Gave the money. And he led us up these stairs and it was an enormous long room. It was like 30 bunk beds all in a row. So you were in room with people you didn't know sleeping in the room that you didn't It was fun, you know, communal toilets, communal shower.

00:25:36.66
Gareth Flavell: And I was like, this is fucking grim. This is grim. And I remember on the first night, I was ah ah woke up, I can hear coughing, and I just like opened my eyes and there was a geezer with a beard just laying there looking at me.

00:25:49.39
Gareth Flavell: And I was just like, oh, God, this is fucking horrid. ah

00:25:53.02
Flav: Yeah, I've never done that. I've never been a communal hostel at all.

00:25:57.02
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I mean, I didn't think I was either, but it was just, we were just young fucking idiots just going there, had nothing booked and just went there. So that was my first kind of, um and then in the morning at this ah last waterhole, they were like, we we have shower facilities, communal showers, everyone gets in together.

00:26:18.75
Gareth Flavell: I was like, okay, that's fine. Yeah. Hot water is from eight in the morning till nine. That's it. That's all your time. So you had to get up at like quarter to eight to go downstairs to have a shower to then go back up to your room. It was just like…

00:26:36.92
Gareth Flavell: I will never, ever sleep like that again. It was grim. But the good thing about this place was that um it was like a music venue. So you had pool tables and jukebox and live music and all of that stuff. But then there was a shop within the hostel.

00:26:56.34
Gareth Flavell: And we all go there and there's 10 of us. We're all excitable, all on the benches. And we were like, hello, sir, can we buy some drugs, please? And and they were like, right, let's bring it down a bit, right? Let's let's calm down, lads.

00:27:12.12
Gareth Flavell: This is a menu. We've got a weed menu here. We've got a hash menu here. We've got magic mushrooms here and we've got other stuff, right?

00:27:19.69
Flav: Yeah.

00:27:21.42
Gareth Flavell: You need to tell us what it is that you want and now what trip you want and all of this. We're like, can we just have drugs? like We want all the drugs. Yeah.

00:27:31.54
Gareth Flavell: And it was like, right, let's start off with this weed here, some purple kush or whatever it was. was like a nice, gentle, buzzy weed. And then we were talking about mushrooms.

00:27:44.57
Gareth Flavell: And he was like… we've got these, but how high do you want to get? Like, have you done mushrooms before? And we're like, yeah, all done mushrooms before. All lying and it all just kind of, um just fucking give us the mushrooms, man.

00:27:54.29
Flav: Yeah.

00:27:57.90
Gareth Flavell: So then we all had the, I think they were Hawaiian. That's what they were called. I think, uh, gave them to us. And he said, what I need you guys to do, i need you to eat a quarter of the tray, give it half hour, 45 minutes,

00:28:15.32
Gareth Flavell: Next quarter, next quarter. You got it? We were like, double thumbs up. We fucking got it, lad. And then he walks out the door. As soon as he walked out the door, my mate turned around and said, we eat every single fucking mushroom now.

00:28:29.56
Gareth Flavell: And then everyone's ripped off the cellophane.

00:28:32.02
Flav: And you'd never taken mushrooms before.

00:28:32.20
Gareth Flavell: Everyone's just never, never taken mushrooms. Didn't really know what it was. It's going to be funny, isn't it? Bright colors. o So did these mushrooms. And I was, you know, I was fine.

00:28:44.92
Gareth Flavell: One of my mates started, you could see him going early amongst 10 lads that didn't know what they were doing, that didn't really kind of understand that you have to be in a you know safe environment. The vibe's got to be set, all of this stuff.

00:29:02.30
Gareth Flavell: And then everyone would just circle like vultures when someone one was on the edge. Oh, look at Ricky. What's he doing? ah Why did you put your coat on that way? And you're like, oh, oh God. oh Oh, no. What have done? Oh, God. like All the eyes are looking at me and I'm fucking boxed on mushrooms.

00:29:20.34
Gareth Flavell: And it went that way around. Okay. So there was quite a few people that were fucked. There was people still coming up. And it was like a real kind of like, oh, God. Like, I felt fine.

00:29:31.96
Gareth Flavell: I was double taking a few things. And then ah started to feel really bad. And I was like, I need to get out of this somehow. And the guy, there was another guy that we were talking to. And he said, if you have sugary drinks, it brings you right out. If you have a a sugary chocolate bar, like a Mars bar or something like that, it kind of brings you out a bit. And I was sitting there on my stool and I kept walking hot and i got I would get halfway to the bar.

00:30:01.24
Gareth Flavell: And then I would stop and turn back and go and at my store again. And I just couldn't go to the bar and order a pint of Coke or a Mars bar or anything like that. And then um it started to get a bit more ah visionary and stuff like that. And I was like,

00:30:17.68
Gareth Flavell: i'm I'm not really feeling safe here. i'm not feeling, not feeling the vibe. but And I was just sitting to the lads, lads, I'm just going to go and have a little, going have a little lie down. and they're like, all right, safe.

00:30:28.25
Gareth Flavell: So I walked up the stairs to this row of fucking double deck, double deck of bunkers. um And I was laying there and I was like, I'll just sleep it off.

00:30:39.35
Gareth Flavell: That's easy. Sleep it off. Laid down. I swear I was getting up every 30 seconds because I could hear the Super Mario music playing in my head.

00:30:47.59
Flav: Yeah.

00:30:51.54
Gareth Flavell: And I would wake up and I'd go, like, and and I was like, i have made a massive mistake here.

00:30:56.18
Flav: Yeah.

00:31:00.14
Flav: You made all of it. You made so many mistakes listening to that story. Like first off,

00:31:03.58
Gareth Flavell: um And then i the last bit, the final bit, I went to, so we had sinks in our in our hostel in the big room. I splashed some cold water in my face to wake myself up, gee myself up. Come on, ri you can do this, man. Just wake yourself. And looked in the mirror and my chin was just moving and like melting towards my shoulder. And I was like, what have you done? Like, what have you done, man? Like, you are, this is over for you.

00:31:32.22
Flav: Yeah, I mean, once there's a couple of… Doing them with loads of mates is a terrible idea if they're they're not. If doing them with loads of mates are all just like call and chilled and they're not going to take advantage of you,

00:31:44.57
Gareth Flavell: Trip, trip setters. They're called, you know, like good.

00:31:46.87
Flav: Trip sitters, yeah.

00:31:47.21
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:31:47.91
Flav: Yeah, no. I mean, like, trip sitter is someone who doesn't take drugs while you do and they just make sure you're okay. But if everyone's mashed and the go-to point is to take the piss out of each other, that's a horrible… cut That is a horrible mix with mushrooms.

00:32:00.38
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:32:01.50
Flav: Also, once you're on them, there's no getting out. or Orange juice, Mars bars, anything. anything it It might bring you to a little bit, but you're on you're on until it runs out.

00:32:09.34
Gareth Flavell: o

00:32:11.19
Flav: it ah's There's no in there's nowhere way in and out. Once it's in you, that's it. Um… And yeah, in like a new place. It's just, yeah. I mean, that's they get loads of people coming up to you. I remember the similar sort of thing. They gave me a chart. They're called Smart Shops in know Amsterdam.

00:32:26.84
Flav: And they give you a chart, like do you want to feel? Do you want high visuals?

00:32:29.56
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah.

00:32:29.76
Flav: you want intense feeling? Do you want, um I don't know what the other options are. but they And they rate them on strength from one to five on stars. And they sell them truffles. and look they're like It's like eating walnuts as opposed mushrooms.

00:32:42.07
Gareth Flavell: Yes.

00:32:44.47
Flav: um Yeah, so… Yes, it was, a it's for for tourists coming in. It's like the first thing you do is eat mushrooms. But you can have such a good time if you just dose properly. Like, it's the best.

00:32:55.80
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:32:55.90
Flav: If you just, if you imagine you're s sipping a drink or a beer like that, it's, you just have a great time.

00:33:03.45
Gareth Flavell: The menu thing, I am, as a young kid, going over there, excitable with my mates, coming from England, going to Amsterdam, hearing about it, and seeing a menu of drugs that they can offer you and being so descriptive of not only of the strength of it, but what it tastes like, where it come from, the strain and all that lot.

00:33:05.60
Flav: Yeah.

00:33:30.20
Gareth Flavell: It's such an alien thing. Like, to… Like, can you imagine there's a place that they… That that happens? And when you were there, I was like this is fucking incredible.

00:33:41.59
Gareth Flavell: This is… This is insane.

00:33:43.93
Flav: Yes, Matt, it's like a different place. It doesn't, i mean, it's you note you know, you hear about Amsterdam because of the way that, you know, how liberal they are and their attitudes towards drugs and sex.

00:33:51.40
Gareth Flavell: Mmm…

00:33:53.34
Flav: ah It's just insane. Like you're compared to how conservative we are in the UK. And that's what's so attractive about it. I think all of sort of from the Netherlands up to the sort of Scandinavian countries, they just view sex in a completely much more open way.

00:34:08.66
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:34:08.92
Flav: um And given, you know, but are ah you you remember I worked for Exposure and we'd have to do lots of sexual health work and and write booklets to give to young people and stuff like that. and at the time, i don't if it's still true now, is that they had the lowest pregnancy rate, lowest STI rate in Europe, the Netherlands, and they were the most liberal when it came to sex, the least repressed.

00:34:30.74
Flav: So um there' there's something attractive, isn't there? The that it's so close…

00:34:33.75
Gareth Flavell: o Hmm.

00:34:35.54
Flav: and the vibe is so chilled out that it is an attractive place. It's an um amazing place. Like I said, I've been there so many times. I went on a a long, long time ago, went on a stag do.

00:34:46.55
Flav: And I i it i think i I've said this before to you, Ricky, I thought i' some sort of somehow reordered my DNA because of the amount of drugs I took in four days.

00:35:02.07
Flav: We had we got in this we slept stay stayed at a hostel similar to yours, but we had our own room, but there was like eight of us in that room. um And as we were was driving over, the taxi man just gave us a card and it said the name on it and then on the back it says party liaison um with a number and it was basically a just a drug dealer.

00:35:24.59
Gareth Flavell: Oh, nice.

00:35:25.51
Flav: And we just kept calling him up and he kept bringing more and more pills and fuck is awful. And, um, I took so much MDMA maylip mostly that when I got back, I couldn't sleep for a week. ah My brain was completely frazzled. It felt like it was electric pulses were, were going on in my brain. Uh,

00:35:48.57
Flav: and, um, It didn't cure, it didn't turn off until the next weekend when I did another pill. and then the And then the MDMA pulses stopped. That was the only way to stop it. It was taking another one later, a week later.

00:36:04.02
Gareth Flavell: ah like ah That is ah that is is so mad. that what In your mind, what like what made you think, like, I'm having all this difficulty because I've done so much. I'm going to do another…

00:36:17.65
Flav: I don't know, man. I was stupid. I just, I was young. Not young. what was like, my God, before I met Ollie, I think. Maybe six months before I met Ollie. ah And my last relationship had broken down.

00:36:30.33
Flav: And ah i was just, I had some money and no responsibilities.

00:36:35.48
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:36:36.77
Flav: i had a flat on my own. I just went mental for a little bit. I didn't like all I cared about was going out getting mashed up and sort of recovering that was it um Yeah, on on that trip, actually, i we we'd we'd taken loads of m d MDMA this one night and I'd lost everybody.

00:36:56.98
Flav: And I was in the center, of walking around the center of Amsterdam and it must have been about two in the morning. And ah didn't know how to, how i didn't know where my hostel was. I don't didn't know how to get there.

00:37:08.02
Flav: ah It was just outside the city of, it's just outside the city center somewhere. And my phone was dead. So I was just walking. And then I heard this whistle from above.

00:37:20.31
Flav: And i looked up and i was like, all right. And which it was a girl, she went, come up. And I was like, what?

00:37:28.92
Gareth Flavell: well

00:37:29.94
Flav: and I was like, ah fuck this is my chance to charge my phone. But I was off it. um

00:37:36.99
Gareth Flavell: That's so funny that you're like, this is my chance to charge my phone. That would not cross my mind. to

00:37:43.48
Flav: Well, I was worried about that.

00:37:44.25
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, course.

00:37:45.14
Flav: i was i was worried about that. So yeah, went in there. It was just bad. And I remember rightly some men in in another room.

00:37:56.70
Gareth Flavell: Oh my God.

00:37:59.51
Flav: And she was you all right? And I was, I think, mate, honestly, can say, are you all right? i don't remember anything that happened. Like I have flashes ah being in this girl's room and my phone charged, or she took my phone from me and charged charged it And that's it really.

00:38:20.63
Flav: and then And then I remember arriving at my hostel in a cab and then ah going couldn't remember where the room was. So you just found a back staircase and sat on the step, laid back on the flat floor and just fell asleep for about four hours.

00:38:40.88
Gareth Flavell: That's so unlike you, but so like, God, so that that's all you've pieced together.

00:38:48.50
Flav: Yeah, that's all I can kind of Yeah, I think something happened, but I can't remember.

00:38:48.84
Gareth Flavell: Whistle it up. You okay? Gone up. Charge your phone. Bit chatting.

00:38:57.66
Flav: I don't remember.

00:38:57.88
Gareth Flavell: but Like sexually or?

00:38:59.16
Flav: yeah. yeah

00:39:00.21
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:39:00.73
Flav: But I can't.

00:39:00.86
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

00:39:02.81
Flav: I don't remember if that happened or not.

00:39:05.34
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:06.98
Flav: Like, I don't know.

00:39:08.01
Gareth Flavell: Let's just say it did. It did.

00:39:09.69
Flav: It probably did. a why was I don't know.

00:39:10.52
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

00:39:11.49
Flav: It was just, I mean, it could have been anybody. It could have been fucking, you know, it was a bad, that was I put myself in a lot of danger there.

00:39:18.60
Gareth Flavell: Oh, God, mate. When you go over there as well, like, you're you not much of puff puff gives weed smoke.

00:39:28.23
Flav: No, I don't like weed.

00:39:28.58
Gareth Flavell: do do you Do you ever do it? Like, even when you're over there, you've been there, like, God knows how many times.

00:39:30.74
Flav: Yeah.

00:39:33.18
Gareth Flavell: And do you still, what you do you have a little toke or not?

00:39:35.42
Flav: Yeah. Yeah, a little toke, but I know it fucks me. Like, people that go over there and eat space cakes and eat whole one, you're like, what are

00:39:41.19
Gareth Flavell: Oh, fuck off.

00:39:42.52
Flav: that You see it all the time though. You see videos of it where people go over and they smash an entire space cake and they go, don't worry, I can handle Because when you eat, it just tastes like chocolate cake or Victoria sponge or whatever it might be.

00:39:52.34
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:55.16
Flav: And then when it hits them, they're fucked for the day. They're like, you're just you can't do anything. You feel terrible. You have to lie down. You can't speak. And you like the whole of your days ruined for what for like five minutes of eating the cake saying and this is nothing.

00:40:09.05
Flav: And then you're and the thing is, it is something to absolutely everybody who eats one.

00:40:15.19
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:40:15.32
Flav: You don't. It fucks you up.

00:40:18.62
Gareth Flavell: ah I've got a mate who went to the the so same game as you, the Ajax-Tottenham And he went there and he had a smoke he had a drink and he was feeling like really like on the edge anyway.

00:40:32.21
Gareth Flavell: And then he ate a space cake. And he said the next thing he remembers that he was like literally leaning over the canal, laying on the floor and just being sick everywhere.

00:40:42.55
Flav: I

00:40:42.78
Gareth Flavell: And loads of people, he said, then he woke up and someone had put an umbrella on top of him because it was raining. So he's just laying on the canal side with an umbrella on him. And he said he got up because he wanted to go to the toilet, passed out again. And he said he woke up and he woke up between two urinals, face like that, and just men pissing. and just and And his head's against the wall like that. with fucking to our mate And I was just like, that is just…

00:41:09.30
Gareth Flavell: Oh, God, so many people get so twisted in Amsterdam.

00:41:10.01
Flav: i don't know why… i don' why Yeah, well, but especially with space cakes.

00:41:12.47
Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

00:41:14.81
Flav: Like, mushrooms do something to you, but these things comatize you. I don't think you're supposed to eat them on your own. i think you're supposed to share them with people. I don't know. you Never in a million years am I trying anything like that. Edibles as well. I just don't like THC, really.

00:41:27.32
Gareth Flavell: yeah i so so back in the day work because i've done i think i've been amsterdam like three times and the the second third time when i went is when i actually smoked weed um and so i just i would just be as soon as i woke up to i got yesterday just smoking weed all day every day it's fucking great um

00:41:48.34
Flav: Yeah. what would it was you what Would you stay in your room or would you just go to coffee shops?

00:41:52.44
Gareth Flavell: coffee shops uh mainly and just yeah just floating about like i don't like my mind ah i don't know if you it felt like what back when i went this is years ago that you could smoke quite freely like that you'd obviously go coffee shops but it wasn't that frowned upon if you were smoking walking down the street but now it's like you it really really strict isn't it

00:41:53.46
Flav: Yeah.

00:42:17.59
Flav: Um, yeah, there's like stuff like you have to take your, well, I think there's always rumors that things strict and that foreign, I know there was like a, the mayor of Amsterdam is going to make it so that only locals could use coffee shops and things like that.

00:42:30.84
Flav: But I think it was just a rumor. I don't if it ever came true. I mean, yeah.

00:42:33.85
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, they had a massive campaign a few years ago about cracking down on tourism in Amsterdam because, you know, i was going to say Brits, but it could be anyone coming over with stag dudes and just being absolute knobs.

00:42:39.90
Flav: Yeah.

00:42:45.49
Flav: Mate, they act like… ah Mate, it's it's um it's so embarrassing. right i'm not I'm not trying to be like oh blood pious about this, but I would fucking hate us.

00:42:55.84
Flav: If I lived in Amsterdam, I would absolutely hate British tourists.

00:42:57.68
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:43:00.92
Flav: You're just sitting there. I remember once there was this bunch of lads. They were from Newcastle or something like that. And they were just jeering the boats and and and shouting and being obnoxious and throwing glasses at the boats and stuff like that.

00:43:14.59
Flav: And I was like, you lot cunts, man.

00:43:14.65
Gareth Flavell: Jesus Christ.

00:43:16.83
Flav: You lot of fucking, you're creatures. Like, get look you shouldn't be allowed here. It's like, it's such a cool place. And you're fucking it up because you think you're funny. um Anyway, um I think you just have to be respectful. i ah You see people and smell weed constantly in the city.

00:43:33.45
Flav: So it's not like it isn't.

00:43:33.93
Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

00:43:35.63
Flav: it Well, in the centre, the further you go out, the less it is like Amsterdam. i mean, when me and Ollie stay and go there now, we don't we don't go to the centre. Well, we might spend some time there during the day, but we we stay out in into in the sort of suburbs and and the towns. Like Harlem is amazing. We stayed in Harlem.

00:43:57.18
Flav: We rented a sort of house in Harlem last time when me and, think was about two years last time I went, about two and a half years ago, maybe 18 months ago. It was, a yeah, a couple of mates of us and their wives.

00:44:09.56
Gareth Flavell: You mentioned Haarlem before.

00:44:09.71
Flav: there's

00:44:10.64
Gareth Flavell: like but What is Haarlem? How far train journey is it away from Amsterdam?

00:44:15.67
Flav: No, it's not far.

00:44:16.25
Gareth Flavell: Or is it walk?

00:44:17.66
Flav: No, it's like a 15-minute train journey outside of the sea.

00:44:19.77
Gareth Flavell: Right. Okay. So it is a distance from Amsterdam.

00:44:22.52
Flav: Yeah, it's the next… It's a city, but it's just the next next one along. It might even come in um under the district of Amsterdam. It'd be like, I don't know, Milton Keynes and not even Northampton.

00:44:33.45
Flav: It'd be closer than that.

00:44:34.46
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:44:35.22
Flav: Um… Yeah, so there's some great… butler The vibe of Amsterdam chills the further you go out. And I'd recommend if you're going to stay anywhere, it'd be somewhere like… It's called The Pip.

00:44:48.57
Flav: I think it's called The Pipe in English. It's The Pip in… And that's a district in in Amsterdam where it has loads of bars, loads of cool little pubs, loads of um nice restaurants without the mayhem of the of the ah city centre. Because it is crazy. It's like just…

00:45:05.27
Flav: ah like imagine a million bikes that all were trying to kill you plus all the tourists like people think of Amsterdam they think of the red light district it's that is that if you want to go out for boozing up and you know having a laugh and there's sort of clubs there and stuff that's that's one thing but if if you want a bit more slow paced like I like it then you go to the pip

00:45:09.30
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:45:29.37
Gareth Flavell: The, um, the bikes and trams is something that I will never kind of get over.

00:45:33.93
Flav: can't hear them, and they can… They will kill you.

00:45:36.31
Gareth Flavell: the The amount of bikes, I don't think I've seen that amount of bikes in one place in my life.

00:45:41.66
Flav: Mate, it's crazy. They love a bike. It is really flat, though. That's what I was saying.

00:45:44.31
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:45:45.22
Flav: There's no hills anywhere, really, in Amsterdam.

00:45:47.19
Gareth Flavell: And they have lot like a lot of bike lanes and stuff that, but it is very quiet. in And the trams, especially when you're boxed and you're just walking in the road, just trying to, you know, in your own bubble, and then you just hear the trams coming.

00:45:58.20
Gareth Flavell: um It's so dangerous. I don't know how there isn't any more accidents. We hadn't, we, we, sorry, go on.

00:46:03.86
Flav: Yeah, no. but but My boss used to call them the whispering deaf.

00:46:10.90
Gareth Flavell: that's That is true.

00:46:12.06
Flav: And they get so annoyed with you because you don't understand the etiquette. But he's not there's nowhere else in the world like it, apart from maybe Beijing. I think they've got loads of bicycles there. But it's like, it's everywhere. And both of them are two ways.

00:46:24.57
Flav: Even both sides, are it dead anyway.

00:46:25.11
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah.

00:46:26.61
Flav: Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.

00:46:27.51
Gareth Flavell: and they're not And the bikes as well. They're not like at mountain bikes or racers or any anything that's cool. They're like fucking the most simple plain like World War II bikes.

00:46:34.71
Flav: Oh yeah, city bikes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:37.73
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:46:38.20
Flav: And they're all they're all the same. It's almost like there's this design um in in ah in Amsterdam for the way the bikes should look. i i once One time when I went tab to Amsterdam with the wife, um I had to work and i had to essentially produce a video. But way back, way, way back, we're talking about 2015 maybe.

00:47:03.19
Flav: I um ah produced this show called Rue de Boulogne, which means Ball Street in French, because the France Euros, the Euros are in France, I think it was.

00:47:14.62
Gareth Flavell: Okay, yeah, yeah.

00:47:16.31
Flav: Anyway, during that period, had to it's basically produce one of these videos. I produced a video, sorry, a weekly video called Rude de Blonde during the World Cup to, or Euros, Euros 26 it is, to cover um this deal we had with um a company called Mondo Goals, right?

00:47:43.93
Flav: Mondo Goals was like a fantasy football thing.

00:47:46.10
Gareth Flavell: Right, yeah.

00:47:46.74
Flav: And you had to pick players from a tournament and, um you know, you compete and and do what you' you're supposed to do in in in in terms of fantasy football. But I got there and immediately started eating mushrooms, even though I knew how had to do this. So there's there's a video on Ball Street of me and the wife in in in ah in in Amsterdam. And you we filmed this video for an entire day.

00:48:13.37
Flav: And then I had to go home and eat at air like midnight. And you can see me getting slowly more and more mashed up through this video.

00:48:20.41
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:48:21.24
Flav: So I'll send you a link.

00:48:22.30
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, please do. um We actually, we've we've got ah an email in about, um hi, Ricky and Flav, just finished the most recent pod. It was Mint. Well, thank you very much for that.

00:48:33.56
Gareth Flavell: And heard you're doing a pod about Amsterdam next week. I'm going to Amsterdam in July for my 19th and was just wondering if you and Flav had anything crucial I needed to know and tips of must-dos and all the stuff before going.

00:48:50.94
Gareth Flavell: I think we've covered ah you know the the the trams and ah bikes. Watch out for them, the the silent killers.

00:48:55.99
Flav: Yeah. Yeah.

00:48:58.23
Gareth Flavell: ah When you do space cakes and stuff like that, don't think you're the the big I am or mushrooms. ah like Genuinely, go go slow. Don't fucking ah go all in to impress anyone. Same with the weed.

00:49:15.13
Gareth Flavell: Have you got any recommendation? Because you were saying about Harlem. You you know these gaffes.

00:49:19.38
Flav: on

00:49:19.89
Gareth Flavell: I'm that traditional go there, central station, get the train in. Oh, let's go grasshopper. Let's go fucking wherever it is.

00:49:27.64
Flav: I mean, there's something…

00:49:28.29
Gareth Flavell: Bulldog bar or whatever it is.

00:49:30.28
Flav: There's something to be said about all of that. You should go and experience those things and they are good. And if you when he says he's going in July, yeah, um definitely do that.

00:49:35.61
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:49:39.22
Flav: 100%.

00:49:39.35
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:49:39.53
Flav: go to the Bulldog, go to the Grasshopper, go go and walk down the red light district district and look at the ladies in the… Because it's mental. Like these these women are like 10 out of 10, stunning, most of them.

00:49:46.97
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:49:50.04
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:49:51.35
Flav: And they're in this box waiting for 50 quid shags. it's so I don't understand it. Like they could be… They could be like, they literally could be, you know, your idea of a high class escort who, you know, you pay thousands of pounds, i guess, for that they that that level. So you're just like, there's this on that thing, you're walking down the streets and different, the different parts of the red light district have different um genres, if you like.

00:50:15.54
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:50:16.15
Flav: So it's it's quite interesting in looking at that.

00:50:17.82
Gareth Flavell: I fell in love with one. I mean, like ah not, not like fell in love, but, um, her name was machine.

00:50:27.18
Flav: Machine it

00:50:27.90
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Machine notice. tis That's what I named her. And she, you know, like you were saying, ah very, you know, high class blondes, massive guns. And, but you know, that under boob, so the, the, the, the the top.

00:50:41.21
Gareth Flavell: was covering her boobs, but you know, that, um that under boob just poking out and underneath the bottom bit.

00:50:46.49
Flav: Hmm.

00:50:46.71
Gareth Flavell: So it's just like it all nipples and everything was covered, but just that bottom bit, ah I just kept going, I need to go to the, to the cash point and walking past there. And then, oh I need to go and get more Rizzlers and then walking past. And then i just obviously didn't go in.

00:51:01.91
Gareth Flavell: course I didn't, but she was insane.

00:51:07.29
Flav: Well, yeah, it's mental. It's strange. It's a very strange thing. And I don't think I've ever seen anyone walk in. and I'm sure they do, of course. In fact, I tell a story on this about my mate during the the stag deal I mentioned.

00:51:22.17
Gareth Flavell: Yes.

00:51:22.33
Flav: And at the end, have I said this on here?

00:51:24.66
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, but tell it again, I like it.

00:51:26.87
Flav: it just, he was geeing himself up to go and see a prostitute for the entire four days. and on the last day he went, right, I'm going to do it I'm going to do

00:51:34.04
Gareth Flavell: um i love the voice.

00:51:35.03
Flav: And, uh, He goes, ah. And was like, go on then, go on, go on, go on, go. And he was like, ah. He's come back 15 minutes later and he went, ah. I like, how'd it go? It was a complete disaster. It was complete disaster.

00:51:48.09
Flav: mean, what happened? He goes, well, she she took me in and then she just pulled my shorts down really roughly and grabbed me by the cock and just pulled me over to the sink and started vigorously washing my cock. Ah.

00:51:59.42
Gareth Flavell: oh

00:52:00.66
Flav: And then started to go down on him and he obviously couldn't get hard because that's the least sexy thing ever. And she just looked up and went, come back when you're brave.

00:52:07.99
Gareth Flavell: wow

00:52:09.18
Flav: so he just wadded off, says not brave. um

00:52:11.90
Gareth Flavell: Did he get a refund?

00:52:12.95
Flav: I don't know. I'm not sure.

00:52:16.31
Gareth Flavell: What are your thoughts about the red light district and and all of that? so You know, sex shows, sex shops.

00:52:20.66
Flav: Again, ah

00:52:25.78
Flav: I mean, a bit weird. like I don't like strip joints and I don't…

00:52:30.22
Gareth Flavell: No.

00:52:30.37
Flav: I could never sleep with a prostitute. like I just don't…

00:52:32.86
Gareth Flavell: No.

00:52:33.80
Flav: don't know how someone goes in there and goes, this woman doesn't want to sleep with me, but she's doing so because I have money. How is that sexy? And then you're like, how can you… how is that I don't know how people find it arousing. And i know i know I know people who have, and I don't judge them, but it's it's just not not for me. So when I go to Amsterdam, I don't go for that. It doesn't mind. i don't like I've never been to a sex show anything like that. i don't have any desire to do that. So…

00:53:00.02
Flav: um I don't mind. think it's good. I think it's important that the you know, how liberated they are and how they think about these things is how most of us should because we all have these sexual urges and and but I feel like some of them in the UK at least is we're kind of repressed into saying like it's this it something that should be done in secret.

00:53:05.67
Gareth Flavell: Yeah,

00:53:16.15
Flav: It's like it' it's mental.

00:53:16.70
Gareth Flavell: yeah. yeah

00:53:17.49
Flav: It's what we're asked. It's how we all exist. um So yeah, I think the word like just is is is incredible. um It has a seedy reputation, but actually it's quite quite chilled. there's loads of coffee shops. and There's loads of good places to eat there.

00:53:32.54
Flav: And it's very buzzy. um And like if you want like a kind of a hectic proper night out in a city centre, that's where you would go, the red light district for sure. So don't i'm not i wouldn't I'm not saying don't go there. i'm saying absolutely go there. It's great fun.

00:53:46.94
Flav: But I just can't spend three days there.

00:53:49.79
Gareth Flavell: No, I just find it crazy.

00:53:51.10
Flav: So…

00:53:53.00
Gareth Flavell: Like, like you're saying that there was different prices for different and like the the the more high end ones are like 50 euros. And I was like, 50 euros.

00:54:01.49
Flav: Yeah,

00:54:04.04
Gareth Flavell: That's nothing.

00:54:05.30
Flav: it seems mad.

00:54:05.62
Gareth Flavell: That's insane.

00:54:06.14
Flav: I don't think, it's not like you go down, you go in there and sort of, um i imagine it's really, really transactional.

00:54:12.38
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:54:13.11
Flav: I don't think there's any kind of, anything sexy about it, really.

00:54:13.27
Gareth Flavell: Oh, yeah.

00:54:15.74
Flav: Yeah.

00:54:15.75
Gareth Flavell: No, no, no. Or ma audio you do you think like there's a bit of a moaning or there's you know like pretending that they like it?

00:54:17.02
Flav: Yeah.

00:54:24.13
Flav: I don't know. i mean, sure surely someone who's listened to this has done it. So send in an email and tell us about how how it went.

00:54:31.54
Gareth Flavell: yeah ah Yeah, I can imagine it's quite…

00:54:31.58
Flav: I don't know.

00:54:34.30
Gareth Flavell: um What's the word I'm looking for? ah like ah Not medical, that's not the word, but… um Oh, fucking hell. But yeah, it's it's just quite mechanical.

00:54:46.43
Gareth Flavell: Not really, um yeah, not nothing like you're actually with someone that you're in love with or that you have a relationship with.

00:54:46.58
Flav: Yeah.

00:54:55.58
Flav: Yeah, when but when you're in Amsterdam, it's not like that. It's there, but it's not like, it's it's almost like a museum. It's like it's weird. It's like a freak.

00:55:02.62
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, that's a yes's a good yeah it's a good way to describe it.

00:55:03.22
Flav: It's like, yeah, but it's just like, it's that's a tiny part of it. But it's the most famous part of it because of obviously the nature of it. But…

00:55:12.41
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:55:13.14
Flav: Yeah, mate. liz and And then, like I said, like do do so do do some time in central Amsterdam. And then I'm not saying go to Harlem. I wouldn't recommend going to Harlem. It's it's just another city. it's It's similar to Amsterdam, but you can find the same experiences if you if you move out to the west. Amsterdam's a really strange city in that it's it's all of the activities in the right-hand side of the city that's the centre of it.

00:55:38.65
Flav: And then it spans out in suburbs.

00:55:39.61
Gareth Flavell: Right.

00:55:40.77
Flav: It spans out towards the west of the of the city. and and And it's big. it' it's like you know It's a small city, but it's not most of it… something like um Almost like South London. If you think at South London…

00:55:52.44
Flav: North London is relatively small small to South London.

00:55:55.86
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah,

00:55:55.90
Flav: So… But you head out there, head to the pip and, ah yeah, chill out there. Depends what you like, really. But there's nothing better. In the sun in July, i walking around Amsterdam, if you like smoking weed, doing that, or just having a beer and just sitting there with people watching, it's like, it's the best.

00:56:12.06
Flav: That's what me and missus do. We eat food and they've got loads. It's not the best cuisine in the world, I've got to be honest.

00:56:18.80
Gareth Flavell: Mmm.

00:56:19.09
Flav: I wouldn't say Dutch cuisine is good. ah There are good restaurants there as in in any city. And i've I've been in a couple of really good, we actually went to like a a really high-end vegan restaurant, me and Lee and his wife, Elaine and Ollie.

00:56:37.43
Gareth Flavell: Oh, yeah.

00:56:38.84
Flav: And was like, at the time, was like, I'll get this, don't worry. Like, we're at the end, and it was like a wine tasting course, and oh my God, it' was expensive, it's like $400. It was like 400 quid. It was mad.

00:56:48.01
Gareth Flavell: Shit!

00:56:48.82
Flav: Yeah. So i do have that level of of of of cuisine, but generally it's loads of cheese and and yeah, they love the sweet stuff.

00:56:57.48
Gareth Flavell: Waffles.

00:57:00.12
Gareth Flavell: Car smashed.

00:57:00.45
Flav: Stroopwafels.

00:57:01.02
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:02.78
Flav: And sort of deep fried stuff.

00:57:08.15
Gareth Flavell: ah that's that's It all sounds great to me.

00:57:10.39
Flav: Yeah, if you're having a smoke, it's pretty good. I think.

00:57:13.05
Gareth Flavell: um Before we finish, i have you ever like gone into ah sex show? or like the like say that when i When I was there, they had this… um it was like It was weird, man. It was like a hexagon, a hexagon shape, and in the middle was a bed,

00:57:34.94
Gareth Flavell: and people having sex so you go into and on the sides of these hexagons were just little cubicles you go in shut the door you pay a euro the screen drops down and then there is a man and woman having sex on the bed and the bed spinning round and like every kind of like 30 seconds the woman will make eye contact you the next 30 seconds there's a man looking at you

00:57:51.00
Flav: Yeah.

00:58:00.50
Gareth Flavell: and it's all behind, obviously, frosted glass. When you're looking across the hexagon, you can see you can't see the people, but you can see the frosted glass, and you can see kind of the the the make-out that there's someone there.

00:58:13.43
Gareth Flavell: um And that was an experience. I thought, while I'm there, I'm going to have to take this in. So I went in there, and when you go in there, there is like tissue on the floor, and you're just like, oh, God, this is this is grim. But had to go in and see it.

00:58:27.61
Gareth Flavell: They also have these other things that were there, which i find which I found were just incredible. And do you remember when you were younger and you'd go to an arcade and you'd go into the really kind of um the more expensive car games where sit in like a bucket seat and, you know, you've got all the monitors and stuff like that in front of you. Now, this was these…

00:58:50.46
Gareth Flavell: it It was like that, but they were like cubicles. So you go into the cubicle, shut the door, and you like sit down, and you like on like ah you're in it's like you're in Star Trek for this command unit in front of you. A joystick to go fast and slow. You've got four different buttons which show a different porn.

00:59:12.98
Gareth Flavell: And so you're there with a massive screen and you're pressing these different buttons for what porn you want with a joystick that goes faster and slower to do, you know, rewinds, action replays, whatever.

00:59:13.40
Flav: Yeah, yeah, see, yeah, yeah.

00:59:24.57
Gareth Flavell: There's a box of tissue next to you. There's a bin in front of you. And I was like, and there was just cubicle, right? Like row after row. And I was like, I'm here. I'm going to go and have a go. Going have a guy And gay yeah, yeah, course I did.

00:59:34.04
Flav: Yeah. did you Did you? Bear in mind it wasn't readily available then.

00:59:39.45
Gareth Flavell: No, no, no, not at all. Yeah, yeah. oh yeah No shame in saying that.

00:59:45.69
Flav: yeah

00:59:45.91
Gareth Flavell: and But one thing I did find, because they have to cater for everyone, that mid kind of my perusal that I was looking and I was like, okay, that's going on.

00:59:59.58
Gareth Flavell: I like that. And then midway through… Two men appeared, bumming. And i was like, oh, God, God.

01:00:06.10
Flav: ah We might as well.

01:00:07.45
Gareth Flavell: don't have to carry on doing this.

01:00:08.47
Flav: but

01:00:08.62
Gareth Flavell: don't want to go so soft. ah ah So that was really interesting. you were saying about how liberal it is and stuff that, it's fucking mental.

01:00:20.09
Gareth Flavell: And then we went to – so ah like – Listening to you do Amsterdam compared to listening to me do Amsterdam or Bulldog, Grasshopper, sex shows. And I haven't even got to, oh my God, I completely forgot.

01:00:34.23
Gareth Flavell: We went to, um have you ever heard of the Banana Bar?

01:00:37.98
Flav: No, it rings bell. but no

01:00:39.10
Gareth Flavell: Went to Banana Bar. And again, this is the most intense, craziest sex show that I've ever been to. We went there and it's although like you go upstairs and with my group of mates, loads of ladies there, obviously, and where you would stand behind the bar, it had a platform. So you couldn't stand behind the bar.

01:01:05.78
Gareth Flavell: So people would be standing on that platform, serving you drinks, and then a woman would come out and she would perform different things to your corner of the room. And there was, you know, the standard ah ping pongs being fired out, ping pong balls, right?

01:01:21.32
Flav: Oh, yeah. Oh.

01:01:22.68
Gareth Flavell: um There was a lady who had, you know, used the dildo and she got my mate to stand back from the crowd and she shot it out and he had to catch it.

01:01:36.34
Gareth Flavell: ah He dropped it twice and we were all like having a laugh about that. He couldn't catch it. And then ah she popped a marker pen in there ah and squatted on a postcard and asked for my mate's name and wrote out, ah thank you for coming to Banana Bar with his name on this postcard.

01:01:52.31
Flav: Yeah.

01:01:58.02
Gareth Flavell: And genuinely, right, I swear on my life, the vagina writing was better than my handwriting.

01:02:06.33
Flav: Yeah.

01:02:06.72
Gareth Flavell: It was insane.

01:02:08.82
Flav: ah

01:02:08.84
Gareth Flavell: and I was like, this is quality. But again, like There's all that stuff there and there's a lot going on. Uh, it is, I haven't been back for years, but it's one of those places that, um, yeah, I like John was telling me, um, when we, we were supposed to go, i can't remember why we were supposed to go.

01:02:24.15
Flav: We should go.

01:02:33.79
Gareth Flavell: Like there's that time that you said about Lee and John.

01:02:35.19
Flav: i Yeah, yeah we I basically invited everyone to go.

01:02:39.00
Gareth Flavell: Yes.

01:02:39.22
Flav: it wants to go? going to go Amsterdam during this time. And then it was only Lee and John that actually made it through.

01:02:45.24
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. And John was saying that um when, when he arrived there and he was like, Oh, Where, where in Amsterdam are you staying? And you're like, I'm not staying in Amsterdam. He's like, what? ah

01:02:54.23
Flav: Well, we we we were in… We were in Harlem. I don't know what the mix-up was. i I can't remember what it was, but yeah. They were in Amsterdam and we were in Harlem.

01:03:03.67
Gareth Flavell: ah

01:03:07.10
Flav: I think my missus booked I'm not sure what happened.

01:03:07.20
Gareth Flavell: I'm just saying.

01:03:09.85
Gareth Flavell: Ah, right. Okay. Um, If you were, it'd be rude not to but mention Anne Frank. You've not been to the house, have you?

01:03:17.13
Flav: Nah.

01:03:17.53
Gareth Flavell: Would you go to it?

01:03:19.67
Flav: Probably not.

01:03:20.90
Gareth Flavell: nay ah Yeah, yeah.

01:03:21.33
Flav: Would you?

01:03:22.24
Gareth Flavell: Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:23.38
Flav: Why?

01:03:24.41
Gareth Flavell: I just to see what it's like, where where they were hiding, what it was like, just to kind of.

01:03:28.76
Flav: I'd imagine like an attic, like most attics.

01:03:30.71
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, sure, sure. But I don't know. It's that's a nice bit of history, isn't it?

01:03:33.29
Flav: Have you not seen that clip of the the bloke goes, you know, the the journalist is talking to him and goes, to you would you go Anne Frank? Would you recommend Anne Frank? he went, no. And he went, why? It's just a house.

01:03:43.41
Flav: Yeah.

01:03:43.80
Gareth Flavell: he start he's the he starts laughing first, doesn't he?

01:03:44.20
Flav: Yeah.

01:03:47.44
Gareth Flavell: And then then he's like, it's just a house.

01:03:47.54
Flav: Yeah.

01:03:49.68
Gareth Flavell: And then it like cuts back to the the producer or something like that. and He's cracking up. Mate, it's a quality clip. Right, before we crack on, is there anything else that you want to bring up about Amsterdam?

01:04:01.14
Flav: um No. I mean, great city.

01:04:04.41
Gareth Flavell: I think I've…

01:04:05.22
Flav: I think we could could definitely move there one day. could i could live there for a year or two. Definitely.

01:04:10.07
Gareth Flavell: Really?

01:04:10.74
Flav: Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

01:04:12.34
Gareth Flavell: Fuck me.

01:04:12.62
Flav: my

01:04:12.82
Gareth Flavell: i don't know if I could do that.

01:04:14.71
Flav: Yeah. I mean, like, it wouldn't be going out and experience Lamsdam. It'd be like, you know, it'd be like a living pace.

01:04:22.30
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I don't know how people, like, with all that going on, readily available, how can you just live your life?

01:04:27.59
Flav: I know. It's mad that you can just get like mushrooms on a Saturday afternoon. But they just the locals just not into it.

01:04:30.87
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:04:32.46
Flav: I mean, it's there all the time. they're just not They just have their normal lives.

01:04:36.72
Gareth Flavell: God.

01:04:37.30
Flav: Yeah.

01:04:38.52
Gareth Flavell: Right. This email was sent in. going to read it out before we finish. Hi, Ricky and Flav. Long time in brackets, female listener of the pod here. And I've occasionally flirted with the idea of writing in, but never thought I had anything major to share until you asked for stories about Amsterdam. That is.

01:05:00.18
Flav: Nice.

01:05:01.49
Gareth Flavell: I'm 52 now and in 1995 I celebrated my 21st in Amsterdam with my pretty average upper working class mum, stepdad and brother.

01:05:14.07
Gareth Flavell: We did all the usual sights, lots of walking and Frank's house, a spot shopping, all pretty standard touristy stuff. Early one evening, we were wandering about looking for somewhere to have a drink and we passed the famous Cock and Bull's Fountain along the main drag of the city.

01:05:32.28
Gareth Flavell: Brackets, I'm sure it has a better name than this, but I'm not sure what it is. The Cock and Bull's Fountain is pretty accurate description anyway. My stepdad was 10 years younger than my mum, who was in her mid 40s. I feel this could be relevant here.

01:05:46.58
Gareth Flavell: And he jokingly suggested we took in a live sex show. Just typing that out makes me realize just how fucking insane that suggestion was.

01:05:58.01
Gareth Flavell: Long story short, we went in, cashed in our multiple drink tokens, all very much needed, as you can imagine, taking in a live sex show with your mum at 5pm isn't something anyone should tackle sober, and watched a show that included some pretty impressive fanny ping pong ball aerobatics.

01:06:21.50
Gareth Flavell: A bloke dressed as a copper banging some woman with the aid of possibly the biggest penis I'd seen aged 21 or since. Basically, just a whole raft of seedy as fuck actual sex. In order to use up all of our booze tokens, our little family of four stayed until the whole spectacle repeated from where we'd rocked in.

01:06:46.10
Gareth Flavell: in brackets, got to see the truncheon in action again. ah After the show, we emerged into the early Amsterdam evening and then all just casually went for a little family meal.

01:06:58.18
Gareth Flavell: Even now, 30 years on, I'm very much, what the fuck?

01:07:03.51
Flav: ah What's that? it

01:07:04.70
Gareth Flavell: I now have two sons aged 19 and 21 and I would never.

01:07:08.63
Flav: but

01:07:09.82
Gareth Flavell: Anyway, I'm sure you can understand this story has hasn't been widely shared throughout my life and part of me thinks that no one would actually believe it, but I can assure you it did. No one was ah traumatized, possibly. Mum and stepdad are still together, normal and mainstream as they've always been. I'm a primary school teacher.

01:07:30.62
Gareth Flavell: but My brother works in IT. We do all laugh about it on the quiet sometimes, and I wonder if my mum and stepdad ever reflect on that particular life choice with any form of regret.

01:07:41.50
Gareth Flavell: Enjoy slash hope you enjoyed Amsterdam and maybe think twice before taking your kids to a live sex show whilst you're there. Love the pods. Have a great summer.

01:07:50.97
Flav: i um I think her parents are up to some…

01:07:54.65
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, what do yeah

01:07:56.05
Flav: It's always the quiet upper of middle class ones, aren't they?

01:07:58.42
Gareth Flavell: Swing dogs?

01:07:59.61
Flav: Maybe.

01:08:00.44
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:01.06
Flav: bit of pegging.

01:08:02.68
Gareth Flavell: oh okay.

01:08:03.64
Flav: Yeah, yeah. Ball kicking.

01:08:07.67
Gareth Flavell: yeah ah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:08.57
Flav: Yeah, all right I reckon her old man, he just stands there with his legs akimbo and his mum just runs up and boots him in the balls. Yeah.

01:08:16.46
Gareth Flavell: Oh, yeah, I've seen those videos. Yeah, I don't know.

01:08:17.82
Flav: yeah How? How do I even… If anyone has been kind of like even tapped on the bollocks, you go down, your body shuts down.

01:08:26.43
Gareth Flavell: Mental, innit?

01:08:26.55
Flav: How is he just sitting there, just run up and go, Bosh!

01:08:29.59
Gareth Flavell: Some of them got boners as well. How have you got boners and still getting got are fucking getting kicked in the nuts?

01:08:34.92
Flav: I don't know.

01:08:36.09
Gareth Flavell: fucking mad anyway that uh that email was fantastic that i was when i was reading it i was fucking wetting myself imagine going to a sex show with your mum and dad or mum and stepdad it's fucking oh god and your brother as well

01:08:41.60
Flav: Bravo.

01:08:46.43
Flav: No, no. No. ah

01:08:49.56
Gareth Flavell: Fucking madness. Right. Something only you know. Down, down, down by the river. ah Topic for next week. The topic for next week is we have to do it. It's here. The World Cup.

01:09:03.96
Gareth Flavell: Your earliest memories. Favourite World Cup. Best and worst kits. Goal celebrations. Vuvuzela's. No booze in Qatar. Boozers, Box Park and everything in between.

01:09:17.56
Flav: Are you looking forward to no

01:09:19.42
Gareth Flavell: ah yeah Honestly, I'll wait until Saturday gets out the way first, right?

01:09:26.14
Flav: it?

01:09:26.25
Gareth Flavell: And then I can have a little breathe, a little think.

01:09:26.26
Flav: No.

01:09:29.02
Gareth Flavell: But, mate, the sun has been so lovely. And beer gardens with your mates, beer, football.

01:09:35.10
Flav: It hasn't been lovely.

01:09:39.70
Flav: There's nothing been lovely about the sun.

01:09:40.24
Gareth Flavell: Oh, mate, I love it.

01:09:42.55
Flav: What, 31, 32, 33 degrees? love that.

01:09:45.50
Gareth Flavell: Yes, yes, yes.

01:09:47.18
Flav: I'm like, when is this over?

01:09:49.13
Gareth Flavell: No.

01:09:49.32
Flav: I'm like, rain, rain as much as you can rain right now.

01:09:52.09
Gareth Flavell: You are disgusting.

01:09:54.61
Flav: I'm not, it's perfectly normal, right? To moan about, this ra ragged what's his name? Ramesh, Ranganathan.

01:10:01.48
Gareth Flavell: yeah, Romesh.

01:10:02.44
Flav: Ramesh, Ramesh. And he said, you went, oh, you wouldn't be moaning if it was freezing cold. Yeah, I would. I would be moaning if it was freezing cold. Because it'd be too cold then. So yes, I'd moan. Now it's too hot. So I'm going to moan about that.

01:10:16.17
Flav: 19, John Bass said it, 19 degrees. That is peak. That's all you want. That's all you need. Yeah, 19, 20. Maybe 21 if you're going out in the beer garden.

01:10:30.02
Gareth Flavell: that's a nice it's a nice one. Are you looking forward to the World Cup?

01:10:32.36
Flav: Yeah, it's not.

01:10:35.67
Flav: So a lot of my work this week has been about the World Cup and I hadn't really thought about it. And now…

01:10:41.43
Gareth Flavell: you're You're getting excited. I can see it in your eyes.

01:10:43.45
Flav: Yeah, now now I'm kind of like starting to…

01:10:44.76
Gareth Flavell: Here we go.

01:10:47.31
Flav: It's a shame just because… Obviously, because it's in America and Mexico, the timings… Some of the games not on until like 3 in the morning. and So though any gameplay that len I'm going to miss.

01:10:57.53
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:10:58.58
Flav: Um…

01:10:58.97
Gareth Flavell: ah What about England games? Are they going to be played?

01:11:00.95
Flav: hey I think it goes from 9, 11, 2 and 4. two and four I think like around that, those are possible…

01:11:08.84
Gareth Flavell: Fucking hell.

01:11:09.18
Flav: Or 10.

01:11:09.58
Gareth Flavell: Four in the morning.

01:11:10.93
Flav: or ten Yeah, yeah. it's like this There's like four games a day, isn't there?

01:11:17.05
Gareth Flavell: Shit.

01:11:18.17
Flav: So…

01:11:19.51
Gareth Flavell: But yeah, I'm definitely going to be um nocturnal for that.

01:11:24.25
Flav: Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to stay up. I can't really do it you know in this modern era. I can't stay up that late.

01:11:35.11
Gareth Flavell: What was I going to say? um so Yeah, sorry. I got completely sidetracked there. If you've got any World Cup stories, anything you want to share, any stories, send it in to ladsanonpod at gmail.com.

01:11:40.05
Flav: don't know.

01:11:47.83
Gareth Flavell: And now we are going to go into…

01:11:57.27
Gareth Flavell: Down, down, down by the river. Hi, lads. Automatic downloader here. Oh, we haven't heard that in a while.

01:12:02.97
Flav: Oh, yeah.

01:12:04.12
Gareth Flavell: ah Following last week's pod, I feel like my time to share something only I know has come. I work part-time as a special educational needs teacher in Switzerland. It's a great job in terms of professional fulfillment, yet I really hate living there. Ooh.

01:12:20.41
Gareth Flavell: The materialistic and bourgeois lifestyle is nothing I can identify with. One more year and then my contract is up and I'll be off the good. Thank fuck. Earning enough money with two days of ah two days of work a week. I spend the rest of my time traveling around Europe by train and on foot whilst visiting the seaside as often as possible. That sounds lovely.

01:12:44.95
Gareth Flavell: um On my many bonanzas across the continent, I embrace a nomadic lifestyle and venture chi into the unknown wild all too often. Out in the middle of nowhere, there's no issue in answering nature's call to release from my rear end.

01:13:01.53
Gareth Flavell: This becomes an issue when I return to the realms of society and populated region.

01:13:07.98
Flav: What was that?

01:13:08.78
Gareth Flavell: Fuck. I'm sorry.

01:13:09.60
Flav: That's a big one.

01:13:13.12
Gareth Flavell: Populated region.

01:13:17.85
Gareth Flavell: I've taken several dozen calls from nature in the outdoors ah this year alone, some of which were more exposed than others. A few weeks ago, I visited the island of Silt in the north of Germany in the amusingly named town of It's a ho.

01:13:36.85
Gareth Flavell: i mean, that is quite that is quite funny. I stopped for what's supposed to be a brief team's video call. The conversation dragged on and after an hour, my tummy started to rumble. My colleagues talking in the background, I dashed off behind some bushes along the riverbank and took an almighty dump, wrapping up the meeting and hastily burying my brown pudding.

01:13:57.85
Gareth Flavell: ah went hand in hand just in time to run to the station and board my train to the seaside. None of them or anyone else really knows what I'm up to when I'm not, when I'm not at work. I've long mastered the art of answering without saying anything when asked about my personal life. They certainly would never have guessed that I was defecating by a river bank hundreds of kilometers away. So that is something only I know.

01:14:24.45
Gareth Flavell: On a final note, huge thanks from the bottom of my heart to you two marvellous gents for the work you do. You've lightened up many a day for me and ah as obsequial as it may seem, listening to some familiar voices talk about the most random of things has helped me through some tough times. I have never had a place to truly call home. Hearing some familiarity from time to time goes a long way to fill the void that can sometimes be the emptiness of my life.

01:14:53.56
Gareth Flavell: All the best, a gloriously disconnected and somewhat lonesome roaming anonymous lad. Well, thank you very much. ah Yeah.

01:15:02.68
Flav: Yeah, legend.

01:15:03.68
Gareth Flavell: Thank you for listening. And like, i don't like I know like the the t the um team's call, right? If you if you need a wee running out and doing a wee…

01:15:14.30
Gareth Flavell: I couldn't do a poo while I'm on a team's call.

01:15:16.24
Flav: Nah.

01:15:17.02
Gareth Flavell: like If you are…

01:15:18.68
Flav: There are people that eat food while having a pee. Like, what you fucking doing?

01:15:22.41
Gareth Flavell: I've got a mate who's listening to this, and I remember when we were younger having a discussion with you saying, isn't it weird like when you're having a shit and you're eating your crisps, it feels like that you're eating your shit?

01:15:32.54
Flav: Yeah, that's weird.

01:15:32.70
Gareth Flavell: And I was like, mate, no, I've never i've i've never eaten…

01:15:35.32
Flav: No one. shouldn't be eating on the toilet.

01:15:37.92
Gareth Flavell: Wait, do you answer your phone when you're having a pup?

01:15:41.50
Flav: No.

01:15:42.87
Gareth Flavell: Even if it is the wife?

01:15:44.24
Flav: No.

01:15:45.19
Gareth Flavell: No?

01:15:45.24
Flav: No one.

01:15:46.14
Gareth Flavell: no one?

01:15:46.36
Flav: No one.

01:15:46.97
Gareth Flavell: Right, okay.

01:15:47.22
Flav: Never.

01:15:48.12
Gareth Flavell: No. Okay, that's fair. That's fair.

01:15:49.85
Flav: What do you?

01:15:50.68
Gareth Flavell: I have done it on occasion um to the wife where I, you know, there's been three missed calls and I'm like, fucking hell, something's happened here. And I pick it up. She's like, oh, it's echoing.

01:16:02.08
Flav: What?

01:16:03.38
Gareth Flavell: Are you in the toilet? And i'm like, yeah, I'm having a shit. What do you want? oh what do you want for dinner tonight? like, fuck's sake.

01:16:09.11
Flav: ah

01:16:10.42
Gareth Flavell: Jesus Christ. Right. That's the end of the show this week. Next week's topic, the World Cup. Get your ah stories or anything that you're looking forward to or not looking forward to. Send it in to ladsanonpod at gmail.com.

01:16:27.42
Gareth Flavell: Have a bloody lovely week.

01:16:29.29
Flav: Cheers, everyone. Bye-bye.