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Ricky: If you had to describe the taste of Coca-Cola, because it's like a unique taste to me.

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Gareth Flavell: Mmm, yeah.

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Ricky: Coke is the taste.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Well, yeah you know, it tastes like Coke. all right.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Yeah. Imagine I've never had Coke. What does it taste like?

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Gareth Flavell: Shit, that's a good question.

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Ricky: Have a guess.

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Gareth Flavell: Because you can't say, oh it's sugary, because sugar doesn't really taste of…

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Ricky: It's definitely sugary, but it that's sweet.

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Gareth Flavell: You you don't, yeah, it's sweet, yeah, it's not, yeah, yeah.

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Ricky: It's generic. It adds a sweetness to anything.

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Gareth Flavell: Mmm. Mmm.

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Ricky: it's not ah I know what you're saying. It's not a way to describe it.

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Gareth Flavell: um i no not caramel no it's not that's not near there yeah um i couldn't tell you mate i couldn't

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Ricky: little bit.

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Ricky: it's a it's a so It's something you use to add flavor. Often you might use it in a curry for sure.

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Gareth Flavell: what

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Ricky: Yeah, you'd use it in curries. You'd probably use it cooking. You might use it cooking meats. um You could use it when you're roasting stuff. But yeah, I think definitely in like curries, that sort of stuff.

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Gareth Flavell: Good lord.

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Ricky: You might use it in a stew. They would sit in in in a stew.

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Gareth Flavell: bay leaves? it a leaf?

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Ricky: No, it's not a leaf.

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Gareth Flavell: Shit.

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Ricky: It's more like a seed. It's like a a little nut. It's like a… I don't what it is, actually. can't tell you must It's a seed. It's a seed, I think.

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Gareth Flavell: che

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Ricky: Cloves.

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Gareth Flavell: na

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Ricky: You taste Coke next time, you'll taste cloves, that tell you that, boy.

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Gareth Flavell: No, I hate cloves.

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Ricky: I hate cloves. I hate that. It's disgusting. When you get a big one and you crunch it and you're like, God, God, no.

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Gareth Flavell: thank

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Gareth Flavell: My nan used to litter her curries and I'd be eating it.

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Ricky: like

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Gareth Flavell: Nan, this is really… I'm like, oh, for fuck's sake, nan.

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Ricky: They crunch. ah They did crunch and you're like, no!

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: No!

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Gareth Flavell: Like hitting a speed bump.

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Ricky: Because…

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Gareth Flavell: Oh, God.

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Ricky: ah it is mad because you you're you can't i guess you can't but the the the taste of clothes seeps through the hard exterior once it's in you know in in a curry but when you get a whole bit that hasn't and it crunches it's like what like break it up break it up and and and dust it into the curry if you want it to taste the clothes why are you putting little hand grenades in there

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah ah so That's a good point, actually. yeah

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Ricky: hang and haes I'm my curry and then bash.

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Gareth Flavell: ah Cloves and cardamom. Cardamom is…

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Ricky: parliament I'm with you.

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Gareth Flavell: about

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Ricky: um with you

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Gareth Flavell: Mate, it's like washing up liquid in your mouth straight away. You're having having a nice day. Carry out with the family. You're like looking and everyone's smiling and everyone's joking.

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Ricky: That's another one.

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Gareth Flavell: And then cardamom, bang, wallet. Ruined.

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Ricky: um what

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Gareth Flavell: Fucking ruined.

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Ricky: where Where are you at coriander?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I can fuck with coriander.

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Ricky: You choose to, you put it in will willfully.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Ricky: Right, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: I will do, yeah.

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Ricky: I don't like coriander.

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Gareth Flavell: Oh,

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Ricky: it Yeah, in a curry it's fine because obviously it's chopped up. It all adds to the sort of the that the overall goal of the whatever it tastes like.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: But if someone puts fresh coriander on like a salad or or on if you have you often have it.

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Gareth Flavell: Right, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, I absolutely, yeah yeah, love coriander.

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Ricky: I'm not i' be a big fan of that.

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Gareth Flavell: But like a like going back to that ah of hiding stuff in in curry, like like you were just saying, coriander, and there there are other things in curry that you can put in an and other foods.

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Gareth Flavell: Like, you know, people, um you know, everyone knows I will not eat anything from the sea, nothing at all.

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Ricky: Yeah, same as my wife.

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Gareth Flavell: Right, just just nothing. Won't even go there. But um what is it? Is it Worcestershire sauce? it's not I think it's like fucking mushed up sardines.

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Ricky: What?

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Gareth Flavell: said which

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Ricky: what what

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Gareth Flavell: but Have a look at the ah ingredients for Worcestershire sauce.

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Ricky: Oh, ah in my head I was hit i heard horseradish sauce.

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Gareth Flavell: but

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Ricky: And I was like, what you…

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Gareth Flavell: You're always thinking there isn't and ah a time in the day where you're not thinking about horseradish. Yeah.

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Ricky: um ah i Honestly, I know now that you said Worcestershire sauce, I heard horseradish. I thinking, love horseradish. just I was thinking, it <unk>s like why does my brain say I love horseradish?

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Gareth Flavell: ah

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Ricky: I know I love horseradish. you My brain in ah inner brain didn't have to tell me I love it. um Yeah, no, I don't know if it's all like mushed up.

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Gareth Flavell: but it's definitely like x extract yeah yeah yeah but you can't taste it and it's fucking ream

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Ricky: Anchovy, there's fish in it. hundred Without question, there's fish in it, yeah.

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Ricky: Do you think you can taste it once you know there's fish in it?

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Gareth Flavell: no

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Ricky: Okay.

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Gareth Flavell: that there's times where I will have something. Like if you were to make a, ah like ah an East Asian dish and it says add fish sauce, you won't taste it because it all mixes in.

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Gareth Flavell: Mate, I'll fucking find it.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Trust me, I'll find it.

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Ricky: Mate, and so so so i did you know that Caesar's dressing… should have fish in it.

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Gareth Flavell: yes Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anchovies.

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Ricky: Anchovies.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah.

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Ricky: well

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Gareth Flavell: why Why do that?

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Ricky: um

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Gareth Flavell: Why? You don't need to hide it in my salad.

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Ricky: It's fine. he No, but seesar Caesar dressing is lovely.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Like, why now I didn't, like, I know it's traditionally, it should have fish. Anyway, when you sometimes i sometimes allow myself to go into Marks and Spencer's if want to treat myself because you you can taste the difference.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Like, you know you know, you taste the difference in Sainsbury's.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Ricky: Bullshit. It's Marks and Spencer's where you taste the difference.

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Gareth Flavell: Right, okay. that's the That's the upper level, is it?

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Ricky: Marks Spencers, Waitrose. Yeah, for I don't know what the equivalent would be in the States, but yeah, and here you've you've got a tier list of supermarkets go something like Neto.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah,

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Ricky: I don't even see them any anymore. Then you'll go in, in my head, you might be wrong here. i'll get You tell me if any of this is wrong. Neto, then I'll go Lidl, Audi, Tesco, Morrison's, Sainsbury's, Waitrose and Marks and Spencers.

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Ricky: That's the, more or less,

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Gareth Flavell: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, more or less. I'd have um Iceland's ah and farm foods bottom.

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Ricky: ice bottom yeah ice and the farm food bottom yeah right um but so my point is when i bought the salad dressing from marx and spencer's in a lovely bottle and i'm looking it and going i'm gonna have some of that on my i gonna have some of that on my lettuce they are and i pulled it all over the kids food and ollie's food and they started eating it was like why does this taste of fish and i was like

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah yeah

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Ricky: fish. and this is I think I made a i made a chicken Caesar mean it's chicken seasons and salad. That's what I made.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah yeah yeah yeah ah cru yeah crummy like

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Ricky: And I even, I blasted some bacon, streaky bacon in the air fryer to the point where it was like crackling. and then you cru And then you just crumb all this this sort of obliterated bacon all over the, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: You're a good dad. You're a bloody good dad. i tell you that

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Ricky: but Obviously, with and it's not, it's really easy to make chicken and Caesar salad. Chicken Caesar salad, yeah. um But this, I thought this would finish off this lovely sauce.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Fucking stinks of anchovies.

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Gareth Flavell: ah

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Ricky: it there's All it is is just it looks like Caesar's chocolate, but it ain't this anchovy sauce.

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Gareth Flavell: Mate, and and the thing is as well, if you bought that from um ah a cheap version, you wouldn't be able to you wouldn't be able to taste it.

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Ricky: would been It wouldn't have any in there.

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Gareth Flavell: It's all blended in and it's all like chemicals and stuff like that.

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Ricky: be too expensive.

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Gareth Flavell: So you wouldn't…

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Ricky: They might put a bit of fish oil in it or something like some sort of… This had proper whole anchovies. Fucking rank.

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Gareth Flavell: MLS, you pour the bottle and a fucking anchovy swims out of it. It's still alive. not fucking caught fresh from the sea this morning, boy. You want to taste the difference?

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Ricky: Yeah. Yeah. yeah

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Gareth Flavell: Fucking hell. Yeah, I don't know why they ah hide stuff in um in our food. Absolutely disgusting.

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Ricky: It's, yeah, not not that, like, Worcestershire sauce, it tastes like that because of the ingredients. Everyone's understanding of a Caesar jut sellars caess dressing is, it's just like, it it doesn't, not but I think the general consensus amongst most normal people is that you don't need to have anchovies to Caesar salad.

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Gareth Flavell: No. and And then, do you know what you hear?

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: But it's it's it brings that, um the saltiness, the saltiness to it. I've got an idea for you.

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Ricky: I'll jizz all over you.

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Gareth Flavell: Why don't you just use salt? Just use salt instead. Right.

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Ricky: Oh, right, right, sorry.

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Gareth Flavell: I think, yeah. Yeah.

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Ricky: I'll jizz on you.

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Gareth Flavell: ah jason yeah

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Ricky: Is that

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Gareth Flavell: i think ah

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Ricky: so enough?

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Gareth Flavell: yeah

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Gareth Flavell: Hello and welcome to Lads Anonymous, it's episode 157. I'm Ricky, he's Flab, two best mates.

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Ricky: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Gareth Flavell: You know the rest.

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Ricky: It's fucking…

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Gareth Flavell: Hey, hey, I've stopped now, I've stopped.

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Ricky: it's I've heard that 171 times. Change it.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, do you me to?

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Ricky: Write something else. Put it into ChatGPT.

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Gareth Flavell: Right, okay, I'll do that.

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Ricky: Just do a new one.

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Gareth Flavell: Right, I'll do a new one.

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Ricky: Just do new one next week, but ChatGPT has to write it. and You just read it out.

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Gareth Flavell: Right, okay, okay, okay.

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Ricky: Without reading it before.

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Gareth Flavell: Right, okay, I'll do that.

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Ricky: Okay. All right.

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Gareth Flavell: i'll do I'll do it live on the fly as as we're recording.

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: ah I'm just still taken aback by like 10.30 Coca-Cola. It's like you're on holiday, you are.

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Ricky: I am ah don't know.

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Gareth Flavell: What do you think you're doing?

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Ricky: i was really hot. um I've been up since about six.

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Gareth Flavell: oh

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Ricky: I didn't sleep well last night.

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Gareth Flavell: no.

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Ricky: I had my cannabis oil.

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Gareth Flavell: How's it going?

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Ricky: Brilliant.

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Gareth Flavell: You, yeah, you, you were

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Ricky: Brilliant.

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Ricky: I've stopped taking the actual medicine from the doctors.

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Gareth Flavell: Wow.

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Ricky: I didn't believe all that shit. I just thought it hippies making stuff up about cannabis oil and cannabinoids and the health benefits of CBD.

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Gareth Flavell: Just to get high. Yeah.

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Ricky: What I'm going to go into this coffee shop and it has CBD in it, does it?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: So what, mate?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, that's true.

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Ricky: it Who cares? Who cares? Where's the bit that…

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

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Ricky: Where's… I'm going to pay a little quid for that, for the CBD. I don't know if you put it in there or not. I don't know. You're just saying you could.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah that's true

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Ricky: Where's the fun bit? It gets you mashed down.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah

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Ricky: Where's that bit? Give me a coffee that does that.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah

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Ricky: Um… So I didn't really believe in i was bit skeptical. But then I had this meeting with the doctor online and he was like, so what's the symptoms? What do you want? What do you want to achieve? And I said, I don't really want to get like mashed.

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Ricky: I can't function like that.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: i need to work. I can't feel like hazy and the next day. he goes, that's fine. So this oil has just come off the trial for your condition specifically.

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Gareth Flavell: Okay, let's go.

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Ricky: And I was like, really?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Yeah, so there's not just THC and CBD. There is THG or something.

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Gareth Flavell: Ooh.

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Ricky: It's like a blend. They've created it.

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Gareth Flavell: Nice.

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Ricky: Yeah. um Hang on a second. I'll get it just in case people are mildly interested. Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: No, no, they.

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Ricky: ah ah Yeah, so it comes in a little bottle of oil. um And bear in mind, you can get you can get it any way you want. But um I didn't want to smoke it.

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Ricky: I didn't want to, you know.

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Gareth Flavell: Vape didn't want to.

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Ricky: va i just kind of didn't want to. just i've I've done enough damage to my lungs over the years.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: i just didn't want to do it again. I can't fucking find it. Sorry, Rick. and But there's a third there's a third ingredient agreed ingredient to it. and

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Ricky: Mate, it's reduced the pain by half easy. So much so that I can, there's some shoes I couldn't wear because my feet hurt so bad. And now I can wear all my shoes without them being too too bad to help.

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Ricky: help up

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Gareth Flavell: Mate, that's Reem!

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Ricky: Yeah, I've stopped taking the amitriptyline completely.

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Gareth Flavell: Oh…

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Ricky: So I've got i' see got tons of that. So if I want to dose myself or kill myself, I can always use that.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah ah

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Ricky: But um I just, ah yeah, weed has, you know, THC, the health benefits to it have been insane. It's so quickly.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: there's I always see, like, there's a famous clip online of a gentleman who is suffering really badly with Parkinson's.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: And the the shaking is uncontrollable. It's fucking, you know, he just can't live his life. And then they showed a clip an hour later of him having…

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Gareth Flavell: like some weed oil or something like that. And he's there sitting, sitting watching telly, having a cup of tea, not shaking all.

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Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: And I'm like, that can't be real.

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Ricky: Yeah. I don't know. did i have seen this footage and it does look extreme, but all I can say is I take a tiny amount and it has had a, the it's it's had a really and positive impact on me.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

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Ricky: And I, I don't like getting high. I don't like the sensation of THC high, right? I don't like smoking weed. Like i said, I think last week on on this pod or someone we're talking to over the time, Rick, but so I wanted to avoid that.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: um But I told you on there, the first time I've done it properly, put half a milligram, which is what the doctor said. No more than half.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: I said, I don't want to feel high. He goes, we'll follow my instructions. And, you know, take too much.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: You will feel high. Take what I tell you to, you'll probably be all right. Unless you're very sensitive. Turns out I am very sensitive. Very sensitive.

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Gareth Flavell: So you, because before you were struggling, like with the, with the dose, did you, did you take the dose down a bit or you just maintained what you were and you got used to it?

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Ricky: I,

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Ricky: no

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Ricky: So, no, I've had to take, I've had to half what he told me to.

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Gareth Flavell: Right. Okay.

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Ricky: I'm taking half of what the doctor recommended.

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Ricky: I went to bed, i woke up and I couldn't tell you, I've never been ah so high in all my life.

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Gareth Flavell: Jesus.

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Ricky: But I didn't know whether I was, Ricky, the problem is, I don't know how long I've been high for. I've just woken up. Am I coming up?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Am I in the middle? Is this plateau in? Is this going to get worse? Is this going to get more intense? Because already this is intense.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Ricky: It's also pitch black in my room. So I don't know whether I'm drowsy from being asleep.

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Gareth Flavell: Oh God.

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Ricky: And I'm kind of hoping I'm not high because I've ah've been on this plane before.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah

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Ricky: I've been on this train, whatever you mode of transport. I've been on this vehicle before.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah yeah

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Ricky: And I know how bad this can get if you overdose yourself. e legitimately I know how bad so i was scared of that it was pitch black and I did think I was dying did think that I thought that my brain my brain was going you you're dying this is what maybe this is what it feels like when you die and i was like don't be silly ah you know you've taken the oil you know this is how it can make you feel and then my brain went yeah but that's what your brain could be would say when if you were dying yeah you took the oil but this has nothing to do with it you're dying

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Gareth Flavell: yeah

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Gareth Flavell: yeah

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Ricky: And your brain is just trying to make it easier for you. And i was like, fuck.

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Gareth Flavell: Brain, just leave me alone.

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Ricky: Shit.

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Gareth Flavell: Stop it.

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Ricky: If everyone could just stop for a bit.

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Gareth Flavell: That'd be great.

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Ricky: That'd be great.

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Gareth Flavell: Being high in a dark room is not is it's really not fun, is it?

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Ricky: it's the Even if you desperately want sleep, get up.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Because you're not going to sleep.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. And your your mind is like filling in the blanks. You're wide awake. You're tripping and it's dark.

00:15:42.23
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

00:15:45.30
Gareth Flavell: So it's like, let's let's give him something to focus on.

00:15:45.42
Ricky: so There was… a Yeah, did him dying.

00:15:50.20
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:15:50.42
Ricky: All his own mortality. Why don't you think about this right now? um Rick, did you ever smoke weed and it got you… You would get visuals?

00:16:00.92
Ricky: Like, hallucinate a little bit.

00:16:02.97
Gareth Flavell: No, I don't think so. No.

00:16:05.63
Ricky: That's what I did on this.

00:16:06.94
Gareth Flavell: Oh, God.

00:16:07.05
Ricky: not not not Not like mushroom visuals, but things were like vibrating and stuff visually.

00:16:13.35
Gareth Flavell: That's not good.

00:16:14.67
Ricky: Yeah.

00:16:15.42
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:16:15.42
Ricky: so the doctor was wrong about me. Oh, he was right. I was sensitive.

00:16:21.66
Gareth Flavell: Well, he probably did like your your weight and height and said, oh, okay, this this lad will be able to take this amount.

00:16:26.80
Ricky: No, he didn't. He didn't do that. He just said, he didn't ask me any of that. He just said, just don't do more than half a gram. I don't know if he was a doctor.

00:16:33.82
Gareth Flavell: No.

00:16:34.50
Ricky: He's just a bloke on a webcam. He could have been anybody.

00:16:39.51
Ricky: Anyway, what I've been up to.

00:16:40.03
Gareth Flavell: Oh, fucking hell. That's well funny. Right. um I am fucking sweating. God, it's only half 10 in the morning I'm already sweating. i a bit housekeeping…

00:16:51.80
Gareth Flavell: First of all, ah thank you very much to all the kind words of the people that have seen the small the small trailer of Fish with Rick on Instagram.

00:17:04.95
Gareth Flavell: And if you don't follow us, go and follow us now, ladsanonpod.com.

00:17:09.75
Ricky: Yeah.

00:17:10.04
Gareth Flavell: So thank you very much to all the kind comments and stuff and everyone that's watched the full a vlog on Patreon, which is 38 minutes long. Too long, but, you know, I'm working my way towards what I'm working my way towards, right?

00:17:21.94
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, You better put the… the the the so I was just trying to find the video and lads are none of us.

00:17:31.77
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:17:32.54
Ricky: And because obviously when you're looking and you get notifications, you see all the notifications to the videos and stuff that you put up. ah

00:17:39.42
Gareth Flavell: ah okay

00:17:40.22
Ricky: Shut the fuck up, you specky nonce is what I'm talking about. Anyway, ah just this random bit of abuse that I get…

00:17:47.03
Gareth Flavell: that Was that what to one of your videos? you.

00:17:50.36
Ricky: Yeah, I'd make it a comment on…

00:17:50.94
Gareth Flavell: yeah but

00:17:52.82
Ricky: I don't know what I was talking about. Probably something really offensive like, well, I suppose it'll be top six next year.

00:17:57.21
Gareth Flavell: ah ah

00:18:00.52
Ricky: No, the trailer looked really good. I've got through about halfway through the episode.

00:18:05.72
Gareth Flavell: yeah thank you

00:18:06.20
Ricky: And ah anyone who loves Ricky will love this.

00:18:09.53
Gareth Flavell: yet our thanks

00:18:10.84
Ricky: Which is the whole reason they're they're patrons because they love you, Ricky.

00:18:11.00
Gareth Flavell: got beche Yeah. So just want to say thank you very much to all the kind words and stuff.

00:18:14.61
Ricky: So…

00:18:18.62
Gareth Flavell: If you want to go and see it, go to patreon.com slash ladsanonpod. Now we have an email, right? And I'm going to read you this email. First of all, I can see you with your with your phone and you're not allowed to look at your phone until I finish this, right?

00:18:35.14
Ricky: Yeah. All right, I've put it down.

00:18:36.98
Gareth Flavell: Okay. Right. Okay, good. So we've had an email in… You won't believe this, but the evidence is here. Just the story I can't prove.

00:18:49.21
Gareth Flavell: A nice quiet afternoon, keeping cool, when a police helicopter appeared, as was settling down to watch Fish with Rick. Next thing, an armed response unit and dogs came down the towpath, past my boat.

00:19:04.28
Gareth Flavell: Thank fuck, and just carried on. Next thing, some Joe public came past and I asked what was going on? Here's the bit you'll love.

00:19:15.09
Gareth Flavell: Turns out this guy was fishing when his line got caught in a narrowboat propeller. The boater extremely pissed off, then threatened the guy with shooting him with a crossbow.

00:19:27.96
Ricky: With a crossbow, yeah!

00:19:30.01
Gareth Flavell: The guy, they got the guy, but an interesting afternoon. I wasn't expecting that. Look at the photos I just sent to you on WhatsApp. So it's ah the ah the…

00:19:42.61
Ricky: Is it crossbow guy? You sent and sent it in?

00:19:45.27
Gareth Flavell: It's Crossbow Guy! boy! Yeah, yeah.

00:19:48.50
Ricky: Oh, shit!

00:19:50.23
Gareth Flavell: shit boy

00:19:52.89
Ricky: So they are, they're all over the place.

00:19:54.17
Gareth Flavell: yeah yeah

00:19:56.10
Ricky: crossbow men on the on the on the canalways

00:19:57.53
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, just ah on the Grand Union Canal, you and across both, best place to go.

00:20:03.35
Ricky: so he threatened to shoot a ah because a line got caught in his propeller who's at fault there Rick

00:20:06.84
Gareth Flavell: yeah must have been a fisherman. Yeah.

00:20:12.41
Gareth Flavell: ah the The fisherman should have reeled in. Because a boat is coming past, you know it's going to churn up loads of water. You know your line is going to get sucked into that current of the engine. It's fucking annoying, right? Reeling in and resetting your rods and all of that. But at the end of the day, you know it's going to fucking happen and you know the dangers of fishing on the canal.

00:20:36.98
Gareth Flavell: So he should have he should have brought his rods in, if I'm honest.

00:20:37.40
Ricky: Yeah, don't fish on the canal then, Frank.

00:20:41.40
Ricky: Go and fish in a fucking lake like anyone else, a pond.

00:20:44.06
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

00:20:46.52
Ricky: I did like your video, Rick. The best bit about it, which you didn't really sell very well, because the best bit about it is Rick and his dad having to fish off to see if you can catch the most amount of fish.

00:20:51.51
Gareth Flavell: ah Right.

00:20:57.78
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I was ah i was ah conscious of um putting my dad on there all the time.

00:20:59.03
Ricky: It starts well for you, Rick.

00:21:06.42
Gareth Flavell: so i like, because i don't he didn't know that I was filming. So ah did I did mention that I am going to be filming and recording it, but I didn't want to keep kind of intruding on his day or our day, the father and son fishing.

00:21:10.72
Ricky: Oh.

00:21:19.54
Gareth Flavell: But I did want to kind of,

00:21:19.82
Ricky: Well, so don't don't like don't put him on stage and get him to pronounce complicated Spurs player names in front of a room full of people. is that what you're saying?

00:21:27.42
Gareth Flavell: No, no, no, don't do that.

00:21:28.58
Ricky: I will never live.

00:21:28.90
Gareth Flavell: well I would never dream of doing that.

00:21:30.63
Ricky: I've never forgiven myself.

00:21:32.00
Gareth Flavell: my God.

00:21:32.43
Ricky: I will never forgive of myself.

00:21:33.62
Gareth Flavell: ah ah oh my god i

00:21:36.32
Ricky: Just how do make this entertaining? f Throw Dad under the Just throw Dad under the bus.

00:21:39.98
Gareth Flavell: It's that quick thinking of you. like Like we're in a room full of like 300 people, 300 people, eyes staring at us.

00:21:42.49
Ricky: Yeah, it's like, this is funny without really… yeah

00:21:47.70
Gareth Flavell: And it's like, right, what what what do I do next? Rick, tell that wanking story. Really, Flav? My missus is sitting there on the stairs. Yeah.

00:21:58.61
Ricky: No, it's when you've pretended to fall down the stairs that you could get out going shopping.

00:22:01.53
Gareth Flavell: out yeah yeah To get out of the family day. Yeah.

00:22:07.37
Ricky: Because you wanted to watch Suttonham. ah

00:22:11.09
Gareth Flavell: Oh, fucking hell. See, live shows are dangerous for us.

00:22:12.62
Ricky: Brilliant. Yeah.

00:22:14.89
Gareth Flavell: They really are.

00:22:15.71
Ricky: I'm panicking. I'm panicking. That's why. I think I did it with… I think I made Alex tell the story about his old landlady, which he had to go and… like His way of paying rent was… Which is not funny at all.

00:22:25.05
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. No.

00:22:26.91
Ricky: It's just funny when when you think about it Alex. It happened to Alex.

00:22:29.91
Gareth Flavell: Alex, yeah.

00:22:31.29
Ricky: Yeah, but Alex… as I should stop talking because he probably doesn't want it told. but yeah Go on.

00:22:34.68
Gareth Flavell: ah Amazing, right? So thanks thanks for sending that in.

00:22:40.90
Ricky: That is quality.

00:22:41.17
Gareth Flavell: Crossbows all over the Grand Union. Brilliant.

00:22:43.38
Ricky: so don't So all that police, for fret like sure he's he's only mucking about, isn't he?

00:22:43.77
Gareth Flavell: Yeah,

00:22:47.13
Gareth Flavell: yeah I know.

00:22:47.48
Ricky: Or was he arrested for crossbow?

00:22:48.95
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, he was. He rested for the threat the crossbow. You don't know. you could have had a crossbow on there. And there has been a spate of murders with crossbows. So you can't say, no, I don't believe him.

00:22:58.86
Ricky: It's just very specific.

00:23:00.22
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it is.

00:23:01.69
Ricky: If I had a gun, I'd shoot you, wouldn't get you arrested.

00:23:04.34
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:23:04.84
Ricky: I'm going to crossbow you.

00:23:06.74
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:23:07.16
Ricky: Well, wait you went to crossbow really quickly. Do you do you have a crossbow?

00:23:11.03
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:23:11.32
Ricky: Yeah.

00:23:13.82
Gareth Flavell: We have an entry for do not listen. And i am going to. so if you've not listen heard it before, we have a feature. Do not listen where people send in voice notes. The voice notes are labeled. Do not listen. We have no idea what's going to be played, but it's your chance to feature on the pod.

00:23:32.98
Gareth Flavell: i don't know what's going to be played. So we're going listen to it now.

00:24:44.41
Ricky: Yeah. Class.

00:24:46.36
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:24:46.29
Ricky: That is class. That's

00:24:47.58
Gareth Flavell: well my god that was that was fantastic i don't even mind the moment yeah

00:24:51.28
Ricky: so good. i actually got, I was getting a bit like choked up. I like, remember, like i remember, that's that's lovely. I remember in all the good days and and yeah, took me back, man.

00:25:00.22
Gareth Flavell: yeah mate that's that's what we want to hear no one fucking dropping their guts all right that was fantastic

00:25:03.00
Ricky: Whoever that was, you're an absolute legend. You're welcome to the show. Yeah.

00:25:09.75
Ricky: yeah That's yeah. Uh, Also, are you in New South Wales? Have you ever seen a shark?

00:25:17.31
Gareth Flavell: I knew that was going to be.

00:25:20.45
Ricky: Mate, they're everywhere. Sharks seem be fucking everywhere at a moment.

00:25:22.58
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, they are, ain't they?

00:25:24.53
Ricky: Yeah, see that poor bird had both her arms ripped off by a crocodile.

00:25:27.80
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:25:29.04
Ricky: you'd just go head first into the crocodilo then wouldn't you? Cause if you've gotten, you've I'm not sure I wanna having lived with arms for 44 years, go through the traumatic process of having them ripped off by a crocodile, then recuts.

00:25:31.67
Gareth Flavell: Well, get over and done with.

00:25:37.59
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:25:42.62
Ricky: I dunno if she did recover, probably not, but then what years lying in a hospital bed while they fix your it shoulders. What? And then I've got a robot arms actually.

00:25:53.08
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, and I was thinking and maybe I could do it like NeuroLink me up, you know? Maybe.

00:25:58.46
Ricky: I don't know. Maybe robot arms would be all right. Obviously, you prefer normal arms.

00:26:01.78
Gareth Flavell: ah could ah could i could could finally do pull-ups. that'd be That'd be right. I could win the competitions at the fair holding onto the bar, so that'd be right.

00:26:08.09
Ricky: Yeah.

00:26:10.63
Gareth Flavell: yeah Unfortunately, that um lady did die.

00:26:14.62
Ricky: Ah, okay.

00:26:15.03
Gareth Flavell: yeah crop Yeah, I mean, a crocodile takes both your arms, you know.

00:26:18.94
Ricky: ah I think we talked about this last week. I'd rather be with a shark in water than a crocodilo.

00:26:23.99
Gareth Flavell: but Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:26.17
Ricky: Okay.

00:26:26.33
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, good Lord. um Do you know…

00:26:27.64
Ricky: that make What a great poem, Ditti, sort of, whatever you wouldd call it. Brilliant. I loved it.

00:26:34.46
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I mean… um And it's nice that ah the that the things that you were kind of noting in your pod, i mean, in your poem about the pod…

00:26:45.88
Ricky: Yeah.

00:26:45.98
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it did make me feel a a bit emotional and a sense of pride as well. So thank you for that. It's a nice reminder that um people enjoy the pod. So thank you very much.

00:26:57.04
Ricky: I think… um you don't think when you're talking that's the thing and when people are hearing it you mean i mean oh maybe we are saying something that's interesting i don't know sometimes you do i was gonna say sometimes you do throw up some subjects and i'm like i don't know how i'm gonna what i don't know i don't have any experience in talking about dreams like what i don't know what dreams mean it's just nonsense upset spooky didn't i upset spooky

00:27:07.74
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Good. Do you know what we're talking about today? no. not

00:27:22.49
Gareth Flavell: ah i ah

00:27:26.85
Ricky: because I said that lucid dreaming wasn't real. Yeah.

00:27:30.04
Gareth Flavell: ah not it's well you know like uh just throwing up that subject loads of people love that pod absolutely loved it yeah yeah yeah do you know what

00:27:30.81
Ricky: What

00:27:36.38
Ricky: and love the love to dream is. Fair enough. Do you know, I do know what we're talking about, hooligans, but just a friend of ours, well, a friend of mine, and you I think you've met him maybe once a time, maybe one, and he had never listened to the internet episode.

00:27:45.78
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:27:54.77
Ricky: It's out of control.

00:27:55.03
Gareth Flavell: Oh, really?

00:27:55.89
Ricky: Yeah. And he was working at the coffee coffee shop and he had to turn it off because he was in hysterics.

00:28:03.90
Gareth Flavell: ah Amazing.

00:28:05.72
Ricky: Yeah, so anyone who hasn't listened, they probably she must have. but Go and listen to the internet album.

00:28:08.89
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:28:10.10
Ricky: The internet show. The internet episode.

00:28:11.61
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah, that is.

00:28:12.94
Ricky: It's out of control.

00:28:13.44
Gareth Flavell: a

00:28:15.96
Ricky: Just let it come to us.

00:28:16.60
Gareth Flavell: ah I swear to God, i so I have that file somewhere. I should really look for it.

00:28:22.93
Ricky: Definitely.

00:28:23.45
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Right. Yeah. We're going to be talking about a British hooliganism. That was a, that was actually submitted by a patron.

00:28:29.85
Ricky: Yeah.

00:28:31.61
Gareth Flavell: So thank you very much. When I say the word football hooligan, what's the first thing that pops into your mind?

00:28:40.82
Ricky: The first thing that pops into people's mind will be probably the eighty s running battles, plastic England away, plastic chairs and tables being f thrown down the street, running battles, lots of posturing, men in designer gear jumping up and down.

00:28:51.35
Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

00:28:57.05
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:28:57.59
Ricky: you know doing more jumping up and down and actually fighting mostly.

00:29:00.63
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:00.82
Ricky: um So that's, I mean, yeah, that's just stereotypical. This is, I mean, people say we don't, ah Great Britain doesn't have culture, which is nonsense, right? We've talked about it on this podcast.

00:29:09.72
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:29:10.77
Ricky: You know you look at the influence of the British empire, good and bad around the world.

00:29:11.19
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:29:14.68
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah.

00:29:15.17
Ricky: That's not not culture, whether it's good or bad is another question.

00:29:17.21
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:29:18.65
Ricky: football is culture, right? The fact that the whole world is watching a tournament that comes from our aisles, that's culture. Cricket, the most played sport in the world from Britain. Anyway, I'll stop. um The point is, ah one part of our culture is fighting at football.

00:29:34.84
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:29:36.38
Ricky: And growing up, if you say you wasn't interested or infatuated by it, if you went to football, you'd be a liar. You'd love to see it kick off.

00:29:43.64
Gareth Flavell: yeah Yeah. yeah yeah

00:29:45.58
Ricky: It's the best. It's the best. It's kicking off.

00:29:48.15
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:29:48.37
Ricky: Brilliant.

00:29:49.21
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:29:49.23
Ricky: Let's go. Let's go and watch. Not to get involved. Let's go and watch.

00:29:51.64
Gareth Flavell: No, no. God, no. So, like, ah yeah, football hooligans, right? If you say say that word for me, Stone Island, CP Company, Burberry Yachts, uh…

00:30:01.12
Ricky: Scootam. Heli Hansen.

00:30:03.83
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, bother boys, that type of stuff.

00:30:07.82
Ricky: Yep.

00:30:08.47
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, that that's the conjuring in one's mind.

00:30:08.88
Ricky: Yep.

00:30:11.32
Ricky: Lads.

00:30:12.15
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. So me and my dad, when we went the old White Hart Lane, where you a lot of the away fans would walk down Seven Sisters Road and then you'd be kettled in along yeah along Park Lane, where it was very narrow.

00:30:22.94
Ricky: Funnel.

00:30:27.10
Ricky: That was the best.

00:30:27.35
Gareth Flavell: And yeah, and I used to wait outside with my dad outside William Hill bookie where you're out of the way, but you've got front row seats.

00:30:38.23
Ricky: Yeah.

00:30:39.03
Gareth Flavell: And we would just wait like West Ham, Chelsea, Arsenal, wait for their escort to be carried in.

00:30:39.93
Ricky: Go on. Kick off. Kick off.

00:30:46.39
Gareth Flavell: And then everyone's just throwing bottles and boots and fucking God knows what else.

00:30:49.24
Ricky: right The the thing that we lost, and it's a, it's a, it's a crying shame. The thing we lost when we knocked that stadium down and built this new one was the part lane alleyway, the the the rabbit run, the,

00:31:02.14
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:31:03.13
Ricky: the The entrance. So for people that don't know, even if you followed Spurs, you might not been able to get to the stadium. where the The old stadium was built on a big rectangle and had four straight roads around it.

00:31:15.51
Ricky: If you come to the new stadium, it's not like that. It's like complex around the stadium.

00:31:19.35
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:31:19.31
Ricky: It's not. It's more of a stretch of land rather than a square. like If you go to Anfield, it's exactly the same. there's this It's just roads, terrace roads. That's the way…

00:31:30.58
Ricky: how the stadiums were built back then. Anyway, at the old White Hart Lane, you'd have to high road and the fans of the opposing football football club, say West Ham or Chelsea or Arsenal, there's only two ways into Park Lane.

00:31:45.35
Ricky: There there is the work to come from Northumberland Park, which is a overground train station or more likely Seven Sisters and they get warts up in a kettle by the police and

00:31:45.78
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:31:50.42
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:31:54.46
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:31:55.19
Ricky: and then they have to turn from the high road into park lane, and they are funneled. There isn't enough room, typically. And on both sides of this,

00:32:01.53
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:32:03.83
Ricky: both sides of this kettle are just Spurs fans.

00:32:08.44
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:32:09.11
Ricky: And when you played West Ham, especially against West Ham, actually, more so than Arsenal, it used to be quite tasty against Arsenal.

00:32:14.49
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:32:19.29
Ricky: Against West Ham, it was 100% going to kick off and sporadically all over the place because ah more than any fan base has come, they hate us the most.

00:32:23.17
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:32:26.52
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:32:29.98
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:32:30.31
Ricky: and they that they want better nothing better than to tag a couple um so yeah they'd get funneled in and it was i don't know if fuck i'm allowed to say it was brilliant but it felt great back then like you there would be bottles flying through the air coins for flying through the air like like a drip remember

00:32:30.66
Gareth Flavell: Lighters.

00:32:43.61
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:32:47.45
Gareth Flavell: lighters

00:32:51.48
Ricky: you remember Leeds? Do you know what going say?

00:32:53.94
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:32:54.01
Ricky: The Spurs-Leeds. And there was a bunch of lads being held against the wall.

00:32:55.54
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:32:58.04
Ricky: but I would say were about 30 of them.

00:33:01.02
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:33:01.43
Ricky: And the police were around them. They were obviously causing trouble. And I think we were going in or leaving. or I can't remember. And they had them kettled. And I was standing, i don't know if you was with me, Rick. And this geezer threw a lighter, like launched it like a Scud missile.

00:33:16.18
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:33:16.57
Ricky: And it just pinged the geezer's head. He was in front of me that weren't even looking at him. It was so fucking funny.

00:33:25.25
Gareth Flavell: How dare you, mate?

00:33:26.20
Ricky: But it was, it was something like weirdly, you go to the football and you get to behave in a way that you wouldn't in normal life. That's what I found. I think that's what people obsessed over, over hooliganism.

00:33:37.27
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, 100%. It was kind of like a zipping out of who you were in your day-to-day life. Ricky in the office. Ricky is a family man. Ricky is the kind of lovely neighbour. Then you go to the football, you have a few beers, you get a bit kind of like the banter with your mates coating each other off at every minute and just fucking around, getting pissed up and whatever else.

00:34:01.98
Gareth Flavell: And then, yeah, like I… Like yourself, I never got involved and I always stood and watched, but I did enjoy they kind of, like you could cut the atmosphere with a knife.

00:34:13.02
Ricky: Yeah. I, we,

00:34:15.36
Gareth Flavell: It was, it was always on edge. Like something would tip over at any point. Yeah.

00:34:21.11
Ricky: Yeah, we've got to establish a fact here is that there are very few people that actually consider themselves hooligans and are involved in that level. And very much, I would say 99.9% of people who are going to football who might have been at least interested in seeing what's happened just watched from the sides and hoped we won.

00:34:39.58
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:41.46
Ricky: there were there's i mean, there's been times, I mean, this isn't, again, hooliganism, but I'm just giving you an exp explicit example of behaving in a way that you wouldn't normally. I remember Spurs playing Arsenal. This would have been… Probably the pod might have even started, actually.

00:34:55.16
Ricky: And do you remember they they decided in their infinite wisdom, the police, to put in um two rails, ah you know, like concert rails when they tried to focus focus the metal, and they sort slot together, and their metal, they're quite heavy.

00:35:04.69
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the metal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

00:35:10.97
Ricky: that like there was They were walking through there, and there was like no police, or the police were being separated. So I started fucking front kicking knee the the the the thing.

00:35:22.82
Gareth Flavell: Who did what you did? it!

00:35:24.54
Ricky: was right in front of the fucking…

00:35:25.76
Gareth Flavell: Fuck! Shit! Shit! it was

00:35:27.38
Ricky: and touch Yeah, it's just fucking booting. I had ah i had ah i had ah ah i had an aqua scoot and peacoat on with a with with a ah purple lining.

00:35:39.58
Ricky: You better remember it, actually.

00:35:39.86
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:35:40.91
Ricky: It was like checkered. It was beautiful jacket. And I was fucking in my in my winkle pickers fucking kicking the fucking shit out of this thing. wasn't just me. It was about 100 spurs. It was quality.

00:35:51.73
Ricky: And it's like, what did I wasn't in no way anticipating actually getting anywhere near them.

00:35:56.79
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:35:56.95
Ricky: But you lose you lostt You lost yourself. but But football hooliganism changed from you could have a fight at the park football if you were that way inclined and you were actively, again, there isn't a single person.

00:36:09.46
Ricky: I don't know anybody involved in football hooliganism at all. So I don't know anyone who's directly involved.

00:36:13.84
Gareth Flavell: No.

00:36:16.44
Ricky: And um I would never have been.

00:36:19.82
Gareth Flavell: No.

00:36:20.21
Ricky: just to hear stories and whatnot but it went from being able if you if you wanted to have a fight at the football you'd generally be able to do it and as long as you didn't get recorded by the police or get nicked then you'd be alright to them having to arrange places to fight away from the ground so that they wouldn't get nicked because those are in in the 90s Thatcher you know she went mental trying to solve this great English disease hooliganism she called it

00:36:30.87
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:36:36.09
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:47.35
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it's so funny that yeah like we could have both said, we would have both come up with a line to say, the great English disease was a across every paper for fucking ages, weren't it?

00:36:56.54
Ricky: Yeah.

00:37:00.83
Gareth Flavell: that's And that's what it was explained as.

00:37:01.34
Ricky: Yeah, it was… Yeah, so was a lot of politicking done by Fatcher in that period where football hooliganism was an issue. And and no doubt costly to the police.

00:37:15.54
Ricky: but its impact on society would have been minimal unless she came, you know, you could easily avoid any any issue about there being, um you know, you'd be getting caught up on it.

00:37:20.21
Gareth Flavell: m

00:37:29.79
Ricky: It probably wasn't worth the attention, but it was newsworthy. So she got on board of it. And so they went they went after a lot of people that are involved in football violence and they did a lot of jail time and then it was massive.

00:37:41.46
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, loads of jets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a huge operation like of really cracking down on it and holding them up as you know examples and ridding the game of these types of people.

00:37:52.54
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, a lot of people went to prison and a lot of it was kind of like set up, not like set up as in to fight, but as in that they knew these things were going on So they would have camcorders and stuff like that to you know make sure they have evidence.

00:37:55.06
Ricky: Yeah, the,

00:38:07.56
Gareth Flavell: And then they would nick them and have all this stuff

00:38:10.76
Ricky: You would see police, like at Wembley, when Spurs were playing at Wembley, police would come in with cameras on their helmets and they were just recording who was in this pub and seeing if anyone was on any bands they're going to be caught.

00:38:18.78
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

00:38:23.02
Ricky: They're recorded, not there and then. They'll find a recording and then you'll get a letter in the post saying you've breached your football order.

00:38:31.80
Gareth Flavell: That's fucking mental, isn't it?

00:38:32.11
Ricky: That's that.

00:38:33.58
Gareth Flavell: remember being in a pub and like a group of people, police officers coming in with video cameras.

00:38:33.75
Ricky: Yeah.

00:38:38.02
Ricky: It was at Wembley, I think.

00:38:39.22
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:39.95
Ricky: think we were all there together. It was probably England. I think it was Tottenham-Chelsea at the semi-final.

00:38:44.15
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it's fucking mad. What, um…

00:38:47.33
Ricky: Hmm.

00:38:48.69
Gareth Flavell: what Why do you think that lads join a football firm or get it or you even just like like like you were just saying, you, ah yeah I mean, you you know, you you're not the family man that you are now, but at that time, kicking on a metal gate or whatever, waiting for West Ham or Chelsea or just letting out.

00:39:10.74
Gareth Flavell: What is it about hooliganism culture that grips…

00:39:16.91
Ricky: That isn't hooliganism. That's getting caught up in a moment, right?

00:39:20.02
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:39:20.89
Ricky: that There is a difference between that doing that. um or even getting into a fight at football, which we have done.

00:39:27.67
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:39:28.39
Ricky: Like I've been involved in a few things um along, I'd say maybe four or five instances where there's been violence. ah ah the Even my family, my brothers have got caught up in something.

00:39:41.82
Ricky: And I just think that's more of just a bloke thing. And it happens when you bring blokes together and then add football to it. but But in terms of football firms and football hooliganism as a cultural thing, subculture,

00:39:55.64
Ricky: I'm regurgitating what I've been told. I did a podcast on this for with a gentleman called Carl Donnelly. co dodly What am talking about? josh Josh Donnelly.

00:40:08.14
Ricky: ah Josh Connelly, his name is. Fuck's sake.

00:40:11.54
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:40:11.85
Ricky: Don't get it wrong. ah But I did a couple of episodes with him. And he when he was younger, he was a massive part of Swindon Towns firm.

00:40:21.05
Gareth Flavell: Yes, I remember.

00:40:21.56
Ricky: um Yeah, good, really good podcast, fascinating. in He's now a life coach, a very successful life coach and ah travels all around while doing breath work with people. It's mental.

00:40:31.83
Gareth Flavell: Fuck!

00:40:32.98
Ricky: Yeah, he's that he he does amazing stuff. You've probably even seen his face on social media at some stage. Anyway, we've sort of become mates. We don't talk often, but every now and then we touch base and see how each other is and that sort of thing. So

00:40:47.03
Ricky: for

00:40:50.02
Ricky: for him he had ah He lost his dad to drugs when he was little. And I'm sure not every story is is as as as heavy as this.

00:41:00.15
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:41:00.47
Ricky: But he felt like he needed he found something in the group of men at Swindon in the pub that was missing from the structure at home. And there is this, sort of in in his experience, i'm not again, I'm not saying that this is the same for anybody else, but in his experience, he there was this kind of like family structure to it.

00:41:09.92
Gareth Flavell: Right.

00:41:20.41
Ricky: You had the top lads, you had usually had one geezer who ran it,

00:41:20.86
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

00:41:24.69
Ricky: And that geezer took Josh under his wing a little bit and, you know, would help him and would, you know, give him work or if he needed a place to stay, he'd stay at his house.

00:41:35.46
Ricky: It was almost like a strange fatherly son relationship.

00:41:39.22
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:40.82
Ricky: And on top of that, he had a lot of like, he didn't care much about his own wellbeing. He didn't, it was never he was never scared of getting into an altercation and what he buzzed off of the reputation he gained when he did get involved. So it was just an opportunity for him to have some structure, even complete dysfunctional and violent structure.

00:42:05.14
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:42:05.94
Ricky: it replaced something that he didn't have. And he worked in a factory. And there's nothing wrong with working in a factory.

00:42:11.26
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:11.47
Ricky: He's nine to five, he's working in a factory. Literally, this is the most stereotypical story. And the weekends, he'd be going to the football.

00:42:20.50
Gareth Flavell: Right.

00:42:21.21
Ricky: So that's what he did. That's why he got involved as a case study.

00:42:25.21
Gareth Flavell: I think it's really interesting like when you're talking about ah the kind of father figure and ah a lot of like ah the lads that join firms and um get involved with this.

00:42:36.78
Gareth Flavell: I kind of feel like it is along the lines of that in society that they've either been misplaced, not understood, haven't found their way, haven't found their kind of their people, whatever. And and maybe like like you're saying with the dad missing out on that um structure at home. And then you join like a group of lads with this camaraderie.

00:43:04.73
Gareth Flavell: and they're sorting you out with a beer, they're asking questions about, you're right, mate. Like, oh, no, I'll sort that out. Yeah, I'll come around on a Saturday and, like, help you out. Like, there becomes this, like, ah friendship.

00:43:19.48
Gareth Flavell: And it's like all these lads together.

00:43:20.29
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, genuinely automatic.

00:43:21.64
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah. All looking out for each other. And if you feel like you've grown up and you haven't had the greatest upbringing, and then there's someone that cares about you and is looking out for you,

00:43:32.02
Ricky: Yeah, that's what Josh… Yeah, it was just what that was intoxicating for him. That's what he said, yeah.

00:43:35.80
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah,

00:43:36.77
Ricky: That, I mean, there are a hundred million different reasons why anybody does anything.

00:43:41.88
Gareth Flavell: yeah, yeah.

00:43:41.88
Ricky: But just in Josh instances, yes, that's that's the that's what happened with him for sure. And because he was he was game… He wasn't scared of getting in a ruck. He was the first in.

00:43:54.16
Ricky: And his reputation grew massively because, ah you know, the some of the stereotype the some of the stereotypical conversations you have is like you never run. You never turn. You never run.

00:44:06.04
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:06.86
Ricky: it comes on top and you get bad, then you get kudos for that, right? you run.

00:44:13.27
Gareth Flavell: but one of the um ah sorry well One of the things when I was younger, ah my dad used to tell my dad told me this. He said, if you're ever getting beaten up at the football or taking taking licks, you never run.

00:44:26.17
Gareth Flavell: You never ever run. You each stay stand there, you take it, and then you you know come back to fight another day because you don't want on your you know on your name, we run Tottenham, and you were part of it.

00:44:36.60
Ricky: yeah

00:44:37.29
Gareth Flavell: And I was 14 or something like that. I'm like, right, get my notebook out. Don't run at football. Right, got it, Dad.

00:44:42.62
Ricky: ah

00:44:43.58
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:44:45.14
Ricky: yeah uh i didn't i was i don't know i wouldn't profess to to really No one really knows why people get involved in these things, but it is there ist it's an intox intoxicating thing.

00:44:57.94
Ricky: When you're part of a large crowd and it's kicking off and you feel secure by that crowd, you can't tell me that the adrenaline isn't going through you.

00:45:02.52
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:45:05.82
Ricky: It just so isn't is intoxicating. It's like drugs, I'd imagine.

00:45:09.66
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, exa-

00:45:09.66
Ricky: I'll give you a case in point without giving you any specific information. But someone I know, for someone I know has a boy. He was 13, 14.

00:45:19.45
Ricky: And he, um

00:45:24.83
Ricky: Swindon were playing Bristol City, somewhere like that. was their derby.

00:45:29.37
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:45:31.19
Ricky: ah And he went, this kid went to just watch it and it kicked off massively.

00:45:36.57
Gareth Flavell: Shit.

00:45:36.57
Ricky: This year, this year.

00:45:38.65
Gareth Flavell: This year,

00:45:39.54
Ricky: Yeah. And I think we went to pick this kid up to give him lift or something like that. Mate, I've never, he was buzzing. Like he was on top. It was almost like he'd taken something, how excited he was by what what he'd seen and what, and you're like, like and that's his like 14 year old kid.

00:45:51.77
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:45:57.69
Ricky: He was intoxicated by what he'd witnessed that day. Like he was like, when can I go back?

00:46:02.10
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:46:05.56
Ricky: I want to do that again.

00:46:07.61
Gareth Flavell: Fuck.

00:46:08.60
Ricky: Yeah. So, so there is that a dump of adrenaline I'd imagine, but you'd have to ask people that are directly involved to get the true answer of why they, why people do, I can only tell you by what Josh said to me.

00:46:09.24
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:46:13.37
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:46:18.87
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, no, completely. yeah i think when you, so when I was younger, I was hugely ah in love, romanticized about football hooliganism, the football culture, ah read loads of the books like Cass and ah Trevor Tanner's book, The Tottenham Boys We're Here, all those different all those different kind of ah literature that I you know read but ah front to back.

00:46:31.81
Ricky: Yeah.

00:46:34.33
Ricky: Yeah.

00:46:39.93
Ricky: Yeah.

00:46:46.33
Gareth Flavell: And and ah not with the idea that I'm going to get involved, but I just loved the stories they'd regale of we ran Amir and we met Amir and all all that.

00:46:51.27
Ricky: Yes.

00:46:55.04
Gareth Flavell: not When you're young and you just kind of fall in love with that. But a lot of them, they all said it was the ah the the the buzz, the adrenaline, like that shot in the arm that you will not get anywhere else doing anything.

00:47:02.62
Ricky: Yeah.

00:47:07.27
Ricky: Just so remember, can I recommend a book? Because this the it would be, think a lot of our American listeners will will get something from this because it's a by a bloke called Bill Buford, some people might know already.

00:47:20.79
Ricky: But he wrote a book called Among the Thugs. If you can get a copy of it, the cover of it's insane. I'm looking at it now. But that he basically infiltrates people.

00:47:31.54
Ricky: um a number of different groups of fans from different football clubs, mainly ah but Manchester United, if I remember rightly. i' heard It was such a long time ago since i read it But it's an American journalist who gets involved in in these people. And just you're reading his interviews that you the and his thoughts and as he it goes through the sort of late 80s in British hooliganism.

00:47:57.85
Gareth Flavell: yeah Fuck.

00:47:58.27
Ricky: And it sort of links with, he goes to sort of lots of National Front meetings. So National Front were like a racist group from the 80s that had some traction back then.

00:48:09.69
Ricky: um So I'd recommend that book. that You know, when Hooliganism was at its peak, he was in the middle of it as an American. Yeah, it's great book.

00:48:19.53
Gareth Flavell: Fuck.

00:48:22.49
Gareth Flavell: that Well, that that reminded me of ah the the American and hooliganism, the film Green Street.

00:48:29.71
Ricky: Oh yeah.

00:48:30.36
Gareth Flavell: what like in in terms of a football hooliganism kind of films, do you have a favourite or one that you think maybe portrays it more better than the other?

00:48:30.39
Ricky: Yeah. Terrible.

00:48:38.14
Ricky: Yeah.

00:48:41.76
Gareth Flavell: Like Green Street, when I watched it, ah the accents, and I was just like, I cannot… I can't get my head around this. Like, this is really jarring.

00:48:52.12
Ricky: They,

00:48:53.06
Gareth Flavell: This is so bad.

00:48:54.89
Ricky: they They made some massive mistakes. They cast the guy who's known for being a hobbit ah in…

00:49:00.34
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. ah ah um ah Is it Elijah Wood?

00:49:01.83
Ricky: What's his name?

00:49:06.41
Ricky: Yeah, Elijah Wood, right? I don't have any issues with him as as ah an actor. He's fine. But you know him as a hobbit.

00:49:13.22
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:49:13.27
Ricky: And now he he was supposed to believe that he's got involved with the West Ham firm as an American. And i don't know. It just… it was bitch The casting was terrible. And the guy the main guy, Charlie…

00:49:26.36
Ricky: I can't believe he's quite young. You'll know him from the gentleman. He's famous. Like, well, you've seen him all kinds of things.

00:49:30.14
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:49:30.96
Ricky: Hell's Ain't No. What's that thing? The motorbiking thing? um There's a famous multi-series thing about bikers in the American. remember what it's called. And he's the lead character in that.

00:49:42.01
Gareth Flavell: Right.

00:49:42.14
Ricky: Anyway, he can't do a London accent.

00:49:42.41
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

00:49:44.00
Ricky: He's from Newcastle, and they've got him and said, do a Cockney accent. He's supposed to be from West Ham. And the he just can't do It it just sounds terrible.

00:49:53.69
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:49:54.46
Ricky: Like, cast anybody else then. Get anybody. Danny Dyer, whoever it might be. Anyone can make it authentic.

00:49:59.38
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:50:00.41
Ricky: So, yeah, that was shit. That's probably bottom of the pile for me.

00:50:03.10
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, for sure.

00:50:04.34
Ricky: um I think The Firm is probably the best. and i And this is like Gary Oldman and it's like the 80s sort of, you know, sort of clobber and stuff.

00:50:12.15
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:50:19.98
Ricky: The only problem i had with it um is there's a main, his main enemy in the firm is, ah what's his name?

00:50:30.71
Ricky: Phil Davies. He plays a character in it.

00:50:32.82
Gareth Flavell: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:33.21
Ricky: And I found him a little bit unbelievable he doesn't look like he belonged at the football if i remember do you remember i'm saying like he's like he was dressed in a way that wouldn't have been didn't make sense to me at that time so that would make it my only critical and the bit with a baby with a razor blade and that like that's uh it's just some really edgy stuff to it so that's probably the the best the cast is really good as a biopic have you not

00:50:39.61
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:47.96
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:50:53.21
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:50:59.13
Gareth Flavell: I've not seen that. No, i need to see that.

00:51:03.61
Ricky: I it's, it's great because it's, there, are there are subtext to it about being growing up, being black in, in East London, um, which as as you imagine isn't easy.

00:51:15.33
Ricky: And then being a unit like cast or is and was it's well written.

00:51:17.34
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:51:20.97
Ricky: It's a good piece of work. It looks good. And, um, you'll enjoy the two hours that you'll watch it. It's about a young man, a black man from East London who you know rises through the intercity firm to come to the top.

00:51:39.67
Gareth Flavell: i went When I was at Tottenham, when I was younger and I was reading all these books, I went to Tottenham West Ham. I came at the ground late. Me and my dad were walking back to Seven Sisters. And i i think I'd got maybe got a can from the shop or whatever. Me and my dad were talking and we were just lost in our own little world. And we were like behind these group of lads. And I was like, kind of like, fuck.

00:52:01.62
Gareth Flavell: like who Who are these people that we're with? And I looked up. And it was the West Ham firm. Cass was there. Loads of other bods as well.

00:52:07.91
Ricky: Really?

00:52:08.71
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah. I looked at my dad and I said to him and he was like, yeah, I know. And we just stood on the corner of the street, let them go. We crossed the road and went back to Seven Sisters.

00:52:16.56
Ricky: When… They hold… when when i they they hold There's like a mysticism to these guys, right?

00:52:27.10
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:52:27.39
Ricky: They're fascinating like and and scary, right? Because it's like, like for example, um we we me and Ricky were next to, in Prague in 2008, one of Spurs' most notorious hooligans or lads.

00:52:43.86
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:52:46.64
Ricky: And yeah there is an aura to them. that because you know their reputation and what they've done and how they love the football club as much as we do, or more probably because they're willing to do more, it's just this there is an aura to them, even as at my age now, where I just think it's it's weirdly impressive. I don't know why, because it shouldn't be, right? In the in the eyes of society, it's not no one would deem what they're doing as an impressive thing, but when you're when you're locked into the subculture that is following a football club, and it's a micro subculture when you're talking about your own specific football club,

00:53:19.96
Ricky: there are going to be outliers in that that whether you like them or not leave an impression

00:53:24.92
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. It's almost like a, like a celebrity kind of factor, isn't it?

00:53:30.84
Ricky: yeah definitely yeah

00:53:30.98
Gareth Flavell: It's like, like when you're, when you're around them or you spot them, you're like, fuck, that's blah, blah, blah. Like, oh my God.

00:53:36.82
Ricky: yeah

00:53:37.34
Gareth Flavell: Like, and then you were like telling him, ah you never guessed who I saw at in the football today. and it's like shit, man. Yeah. That's, um, yeah, they are like, uh,

00:53:45.18
Ricky: Well, we talking about all the different books though, Ricky, like Spurs are the greatest, and it's not really a football hooligan book, but it it was of that time and so definitely captures moments of it.

00:53:56.54
Ricky: And it's almosts it's a bit of a Bible for Spurs fans.

00:53:59.90
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:54:00.41
Ricky: And um i were where you were in the process of making a film about this book called Tottenham Boys We Are Here. And it's by a journalist, a photojournalist, who as a part of his…

00:54:16.41
Ricky: degree, finishing his degrees, final piece in his degree. He's from the north, from Sheffield, his name. Fuck's his name.

00:54:23.88
Gareth Flavell: Is it Paul Wombo?

00:54:25.50
Ricky: Poor one boy is exactly his name.

00:54:27.03
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:54:27.52
Ricky: um And he did this thing at 21. He's now, you know, which is essentially a photo book. It's a case study, a visual photo case study of what it was to follow Tottenham when they went down and in, when did we go down? 88? 78?

00:54:42.58
Ricky: eight eight so eight eight

00:54:44.28
Gareth Flavell: service Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:45.27
Ricky: seventy eight Yes. Yeah, yeah. 78. then we signed Villa and Sir Rabin around that time. And um obviously he's gone on. He's worked in Paris. He's worked in, you know, he's a legitimate but in terms of the in the field of photography. that's that's his so So his experiences of this book, often he doesn't he doesn't even acknowledge the fact that it exists exists very often. He…

00:55:06.76
Ricky: He doesn't talk about it. To him, it was his final piece.

00:55:08.99
Gareth Flavell: That's mental.

00:55:09.81
Ricky: Yeah, it was his final paper. It was his final piece of work for his photography degree in York, I think he was, or Sheffield. So that's like, you know, like you doing your final piece of college. And then for some reason, it becomes like a a Bible for um for for fans of a football club. So this book that he produced…

00:55:31.35
Ricky: would would be sold on Tottenham high road, like a hundred coffees. That was it.

00:55:35.21
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:55:35.35
Ricky: And they sold out like that. And then there were photo copies of it and then colour photo prints. And it's just, it's to this day become like you've on eBay, if you can find a coffee, you're paying 800, 900 quid for it.

00:55:46.05
Ricky: And it's just a series of about 50, 50 photographs and certain some interviews.

00:55:46.81
Gareth Flavell: Back…

00:55:51.45
Gareth Flavell: Back in the day, I was bidding on eBay for a black and white version photocopy of Tottenham Boys Wear Air. And i was like, oh, quality, man. I'd love to get my hand on this book. I heard so much of the stories around it, and I wanted my own copy and blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:56:06.73
Gareth Flavell: And like I was like willing to go to 80 to 100 quid to get out of it. It went for fucking miles more than that. And it's a photocopy of a book, and like, fucking hell.

00:56:15.12
Ricky: Yeah.

00:56:19.19
Ricky: Yeah. ah my my um my my ah My brother Ross, I mean, I actually have it. Actually, you know charlie Charlie has it, our mate, because we' were making the we were making this um we were making this documentary and then it just, for some reason, petered out. We tried to make contact with Paul Womble. Eventually we found him and he just wasn't interested in talking at this time. We're not the first people that have tried to contact him as well.

00:56:43.22
Ricky: um But yeah, so we have two copies. We've got two copies of that. One, a like a color photocopy of it.

00:56:48.09
Gareth Flavell: Fuck

00:56:50.46
Ricky: And another one is is that old photocopy.

00:56:54.26
Gareth Flavell: Fuck you need to get Charlie to get that bloody book back bastards

00:56:56.91
Ricky: I need, well, I'm getting back to my brother.

00:56:59.80
Gareth Flavell: Oh, shit. Oh, it's his…

00:57:01.11
Ricky: Yeah, he's actually asked me recently, where are those books? And was oh, shit. Shit, I better get him back.

00:57:06.17
Gareth Flavell: ah To wrap round this off, right, the the firms of the day, this is always what kind of a interested me, the names of firms, where they came from. what like what Like, we've got West Ham's intercity firm…

00:57:24.70
Gareth Flavell: ah because they was it they traveled on ah there were special trains that ran and if you had a voucher it's like a on this inner city firm and that's what they called themselves and then you have was it um were milwall the bushwhackers

00:57:32.95
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:42.07
Ricky: Yeah. You got Birmingham, the Zulus.

00:57:44.82
Gareth Flavell: zulus yeah um

00:57:46.81
Ricky: i I think Man City with Governors, if that's right. Not the most imaginative names, are they?

00:57:52.09
Gareth Flavell: Where do all these names come from? And that's what kind of that that mysticism.

00:57:56.04
Ricky: Pissed up, coked up geezers in pubs.

00:57:57.17
Gareth Flavell: I

00:57:59.66
Ricky: Probably. Probably.

00:58:00.06
Gareth Flavell: i mean, the goonies, weren't they called the herd or something like that?

00:58:03.77
Ricky: Yeah, something like that.

00:58:06.09
Gareth Flavell: i' like

00:58:06.14
Ricky: um Shall we do a little pop quiz?

00:58:09.91
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, go on, go on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:12.70
Ricky: threaten And you'll get a few. Is this Premier League only?

00:58:15.70
Gareth Flavell: ah Any, I'll do any.

00:58:16.25
Ricky: ah Okay.

00:58:18.71
Gareth Flavell: Right, let's go.

00:58:22.87
Ricky: ah Right, let me give give you one. Because everyone…

00:58:30.87
Ricky: Oh, you were not going to get that. ah

00:58:32.63
Gareth Flavell: and Okay, go on.

00:58:35.19
Ricky: All right, Leeds United.

00:58:38.08
Gareth Flavell: Oh, fucking hell.

00:58:44.15
Gareth Flavell: Give me clue.

00:58:48.18
Ricky: ends in crew.

00:58:50.48
Gareth Flavell: Soul crew.

00:58:50.88
Ricky: Leeds service crew. I think Salkery was cut.

00:58:53.03
Gareth Flavell: Service crew. Soul crew is Cardiff, isn't it? Fuck!

00:58:55.33
Ricky: Cardiff, yeah, yeah.

00:58:59.36
Ricky: Leicester City is the best one, this is.

00:59:04.97
Gareth Flavell: I've got no idea. it something that…

00:59:07.29
Ricky: Baby squad.

00:59:08.14
Gareth Flavell: Baby, yeah, yeah, i was going to say Baby Squad. Shit.

00:59:11.64
Ricky: Baby squad. So Man City was young governors. I think it was a the youth.

00:59:15.06
Gareth Flavell: Right, okay.

00:59:17.59
Ricky: ah The Newcastle Gremlins.

00:59:22.54
Ricky: Norwich City, the under fives.

00:59:22.84
Gareth Flavell: that

00:59:24.31
Ricky: Remember that?

00:59:25.30
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah. I think quite a few people had the under fives, the young crew, like West Ham or Tottenham or whatever.

00:59:31.48
Ricky: Yeah.

00:59:34.36
Ricky: Yeah. Weirdly, in this it says we were Tottenham massive Spurs N17, but not Yids.

00:59:41.18
Gareth Flavell: no yeah.

00:59:41.82
Ricky: Pretty sure it was the Yids

00:59:42.06
Gareth Flavell: I've always known his years, yeah. think Portsmouth had the, ah is it like the 1-5-7 crew or something like that? 6-5-7.

00:59:50.46
Ricky: there. 6-5-7, I think is the name of the time.

00:59:51.03
Gareth Flavell: ah six five

00:59:53.30
Ricky: it the time of the train that they'd get into London or something like

00:59:55.77
Gareth Flavell: so Yeah, so and that. Fucking mental. I do like ah a Blades Business Crew.

00:59:59.04
Ricky: Sheffield United?

01:00:02.55
Ricky: Yeah, at BBC.

01:00:03.03
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. ah ah Funny.

01:00:07.10
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:08.78
Gareth Flavell: i thought it was really interesting you saying that, ah you know, you're that person you meant to pick up, that 14-year-old and they were buzzing. That was like a year ago. like you said a lot For me, i always thought, and maybe this is because of Tottenham and how kind of,

01:00:25.55
Gareth Flavell: it's just sterile there now, but you know, between the, the away fans and stuff, especially outside the ground and how it used to be, you don't see any of that shit anymore at all.

01:00:33.18
Ricky: yeah No, yeah, the police have got excellent at, and, you know, most of and society would argue they've done a really good job in

01:00:44.34
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

01:00:45.27
Ricky: force it out they've also you the premier league has a job in gentrifying the game you know they've encouraging which is a good thing you know in that yeah know you know you've got more women and children um that can come to football and you know it's much less likely to hear racist abuse now or much less likely to hear homers hope it still exists but you're much much much less likely now than it was perhaps back then um

01:00:50.94
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:01:10.83
Gareth Flavell: There's quite a few like like like speak out and like lines that you can kind of connect to to say like this is going on or whatever or.

01:01:19.16
Ricky: Yeah, I just kind well, that's like grassing, you mean. you can People can grass if they want to.

01:01:24.41
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:25.37
Ricky: the i i'm I don't know how to articulate articulate this in a way that is going to make sense to people that didn't grow up going to Spurs or football in the sort of 80s and ninety s

01:01:38.97
Gareth Flavell: yeah

01:01:42.39
Ricky: And while 100% football is safer and more people are going to watch football than ever and it's never been more popular, I do miss the edge a little bit.

01:01:54.17
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:01:54.66
Ricky: and and And like I say, categorically never involved in anything.

01:01:58.90
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:01:59.22
Ricky: But i miss the edge of going to football sometimes. Like Arsenal fans would be worried about coming to Tottenham.

01:02:08.06
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:02:09.66
Ricky: And I'm like, so they should be.

01:02:11.77
Gareth Flavell: yeah

01:02:11.89
Ricky: I got into a lot of trouble for tweeting that actually. I think I tweeted something along the lines of it's important that Arsenal fans feel uncomfortable as possible when they come to Tottenham.

01:02:21.85
Gareth Flavell: ah

01:02:24.47
Ricky: And people go, what about the kids? was like, don't take your kids. It's a North London derby. Of course you're not going to take your kids.

01:02:30.26
Gareth Flavell: um I'd never, like, even now I wouldn't take my my daughter to North London's derby.

01:02:35.09
Ricky: My dad took me when I was… it My dad took me to arsen nor away when I was 11 at Highbury. So this would have been, that would have been 91, 92, so peak.

01:02:51.27
Gareth Flavell: Shit, yeah.

01:02:51.45
Ricky: And then two years later, he took me to Man City away, quarter-final of the f FA Cup.

01:02:51.82
Gareth Flavell: Oh, God.

01:02:56.98
Ricky: And it was one of the worst experiences of my life. They jumped on the pitch. They tried to get us this footage on YouTube, but you can still see it, 93 Man

01:03:04.75
Ricky: He got out and then he had to walk through your main road.

01:03:07.22
Gareth Flavell: Oh god, the moth side.

01:03:08.34
Ricky: At Moss Side, it was horrible. There were people, because I had my Spurs shirt on, had do it up. a Man City fans doing gas noises.

01:03:19.16
Gareth Flavell: god.

01:03:19.61
Ricky: Because obviously of our Jewish connection. It was rank, man. And my dad was like, yeah, go on.

01:03:23.35
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:03:24.45
Ricky: unless This sounds good. Let's go. and Do you want to go and see that? Yeah. All right. But, you know, it's… yeah it' it's it was and it's There was nothing like it.

01:03:36.79
Gareth Flavell: No, I get it.

01:03:36.95
Ricky: And now there is. Now it feels like going to any other big event or concert or…

01:03:42.39
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, yeah, I get it. like when ah when When the football, but when when the fixtures get read out and you get Chelsea, West Ham, Gooners, and it was always that excitement.

01:03:44.02
Ricky: you know what mean? Yeah.

01:03:53.78
Gareth Flavell: Oh, October. It's going to be, you know, cold, under the lights.

01:03:57.23
Ricky: Yeah.

01:03:57.68
Gareth Flavell: It's going to get fucking rowdy. It's going to be naughty. Yeah.

01:04:00.53
Ricky: they've looked at, there's Arsenal fans looked at this fictional release and gone, fuck's sake, we're going go to Tottenham again.

01:04:04.95
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:04:05.62
Ricky: And now they don't. I mean, a little bit.

01:04:07.03
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. ah When I go to these games, I don't mean it is in just another game, but when you're arriving at the ground, there there isn't that same buzz that you used to have of knowing that anything can come on top down the high road.

01:04:08.18
Ricky: Still a little bit aggy, but…

01:04:23.70
Ricky: Yeah. You…

01:04:30.39
Ricky: ah Yeah, like there was against West Ham when you were going, you had to keep your wits about you. And it's hard to articulate why that is a good thing. It's not a good thing in the eyes of normal people.

01:04:45.94
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:04:46.84
Ricky: But when you go to the football, when we go to went to the football, when we were younger, it was just a part of it. And now it isn't. It's a sanitized version of football.

01:04:58.58
Ricky: what it was and the culture around football is has dissipated massively.

01:05:03.00
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:05:03.70
Ricky: And that's a part of things. It evolves, something becomes super popular and it becomes sanitized and stuff. But when you used to go football, and again, this is just two people that were never involved in any fashion in in in football casual, being a football casual or anything like that.

01:05:22.87
Ricky: But we're certainly appreciative of the edge in the air. And when West Ham played it, West Ham especially.

01:05:25.91
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:05:28.47
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:05:28.66
Ricky: Like if you think you could, you know, they hate us. You could feel it in that night. Whereas Arsenal, Chelsea, Chelsea was less less of an issue as well.

01:05:33.62
Gareth Flavell: she

01:05:38.18
Ricky: And Arsenal were let, because Arsenal just felt like they didn't want to be there.

01:05:42.74
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:05:43.52
Ricky: And they kind had to be there. So it was almost like they were victims.

01:05:45.86
Gareth Flavell: Completely.

01:05:47.54
Ricky: They were our victims. No matter what happened on the pitch, Do know i mean, Ricky?

01:05:52.57
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:05:52.70
Ricky: Like they they came in and they, it just felt like they didn't want to be there.

01:05:52.93
Gareth Flavell: yeah ah yeah completely yeah

01:05:57.46
Ricky: They wanted to be anywhere else on earth, which doesn't make any sense. It could have been anywhere.

01:06:00.31
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:06:00.79
Ricky: They chose to be there, but that was the feeling. And this is like our mutual friend is going to be listening to this. We'll hate this.

01:06:08.02
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:06:08.44
Ricky: And you know who I'm talking about, you?

01:06:09.62
Gareth Flavell: I don't yet.

01:06:10.79
Ricky: Yeah, yeah. So send me your message. Do whatever you want to do. Right. But that's what it felt like from my perspective is that you lot, Arsenal wanted to be anywhere else in the world but playing Tottenham on that day, regardless of whether were.

01:06:22.10
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:06:23.12
Ricky: I might be wrong. That's just how I felt. ah Whereas West Ham, like, they want to be here more than anything else.

01:06:29.37
Gareth Flavell: They wanted to be there every weekend.

01:06:31.45
Ricky: Yeah.

01:06:31.53
Gareth Flavell: They want to be there.

01:06:32.49
Ricky: They want this always.

01:06:34.10
Gareth Flavell: Alarm set at four o'clock in the morning, ready for it.

01:06:35.48
Ricky: Yeah. So um um um you remember sporadic violence breaking out everywhere.

01:06:40.89
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:06:41.88
Ricky: Like people had got out of the police court and then it was kicking off. Yeah, I don't know. That's how that's how I remember it.

01:06:49.43
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:06:50.02
Ricky: um Maybe that's a bad thing. I don't know. But that's just how I feel. And I don't give a shit if you don't like it.

01:06:53.43
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. No, no, no. ah No, fuck it. No, no. That's how exactly how I feel. Right. Before we ah jump on, I just got a quick ah email in from one of the patrons. Being a season ticket holder at Spurs in the 90s, I used to see my fair share of trouble home and away. Another notable away game was Leeds away again in the FA Cup 1999. That was another dodgy walk back to the car after the game as well. Don't know what it was about Yorkshire, but remember Barnsley not being the nicest places either.

01:07:26.42
Gareth Flavell: I remember seeing a right skirmish at Northumberland park after the West Ham game, but the most scared afraid I've ever been possibly in general, not just footballing terms was the pre season friendly away at Millwall in 2001. Who the fucking out arranged that?

01:07:44.63
Gareth Flavell: Got in the ground nice and early to avoid the obvious. Then about five to ten minutes into the game, loads of lads came into the away stand and the Millwall lot went into their stands. Within both sets of supporters, you could see people with bloodstained clothing and for the whole game, they were just back and forth with each other. Wasn't even interested in the game.

01:08:07.13
Gareth Flavell: Five minutes before the end, they all left and there was trouble galore outside the ground. Can still see the videos on YouTube somewhere. It was carnage. I was at the FA Cup game the next time we played Millwall some 16 years later and you just feel the tension and hatred in the air. It was a proper throwback to the 90s and the horribleness.

01:08:28.34
Gareth Flavell: I think that sums it up pretty well.

01:08:29.78
Ricky: yeah do you remember them two lads that were giving it to Millwall fans as it as they were all walking past the Spurs fans being knobs and then just giving it and this one of them just dropped one of them you're like i'm not you firstly what did you expect you're asking yeah yeah yeah oh do you BUSH yeah

01:08:35.35
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

01:08:42.04
Gareth Flavell: yeah yeah

01:08:46.89
Gareth Flavell: He's just chanting, fucking hate me, whoa, fucking hate me, whoa. He just walks over, slays him, and just fucking wallops him. What do you expect's going happen?

01:08:56.82
Ricky: just dropped him ah we were podcasting about that at the time. It's like, you're you're not only, you've embarrassed us, not by getting knocked out, by being a cunt, right?

01:09:03.93
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:09:07.10
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:09:07.57
Ricky: ah by by By singing and antagonizing them like they nothing's going to happen to you.

01:09:14.07
Gareth Flavell: ah yeah

01:09:14.65
Ricky: And you it caught up quickly.

01:09:16.28
Gareth Flavell: yeah

01:09:16.73
Ricky: You got caught up quickly. You don't do that. You don't do that to any set of fans, but someone in that group of Millwall fans is going to knock you out. And that's what happened.

01:09:24.31
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:09:24.91
Ricky: um Yeah, that was… ah I remember that. i think the were the worst… Wimbledon. had problems with Wimbledon quite a lot, weirdly. Me, my brothers…

01:09:34.65
Gareth Flavell: What is that? what

01:09:35.44
Ricky: It's always my brother. One brother in particular would have been problem. he… ah say he um

01:09:47.44
Ricky: I remember when, ah quick story, when we went to Spurs of Payne Chelsea in 2008, when we won 2-1, it's at Woodgate.

01:09:56.53
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:09:57.82
Ricky: And whoever designed Wembley Way, I get it's practical because if there's a concert on and everyone's on the same page, there's just one road or walkway that goes from the stadium, Wembley Park, all the way to the stadium.

01:10:06.65
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:10:08.36
Ricky: You can't get lost. It's impossible.

01:10:10.01
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:10:11.11
Ricky: But when foot when there's a final together and fans of each other's teams arriving at the same time after being on the beer for three or four hours and they're amped up, it's always going to kick off.

01:10:23.93
Gareth Flavell: ah yeah

01:10:24.61
Ricky: So it kicked off on… on on um It kicked off on on the on on the concourse in Wembley Park. I saw my dad get… A police policeman picked him up and swung him around.

01:10:36.91
Ricky: You know, like like with kids get picked up by their arms and they swung around like a helicopter.

01:10:39.89
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah. but yeah yeah

01:10:42.99
Ricky: It looked like that. It wasn't that bad, but that's how my mind remembers it.

01:10:46.26
Gareth Flavell: ah

01:10:46.28
Ricky: He just flung my dad. Brothers got into it with some geezer. And then anyway, there was police everywhere, so nothing happened. We're walking down for a few moments apart.

01:10:58.20
Ricky: And some geezer comes up to me and says, um would you want it now, you geared something along the lines?

01:11:05.56
Gareth Flavell: yeah

01:11:05.65
Ricky: And I'm like, I don't even recognize this guy. I don't know he was a part of, but he's obviously seen something.

01:11:11.10
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:11:11.23
Ricky: And he was squaring up me and was like, oh no, this is, he's going to nut me or something's going to happen.

01:11:15.35
Gareth Flavell: ah Oh, God.

01:11:17.45
Ricky: And then like a flash.

01:11:20.76
Gareth Flavell: ah

01:11:21.88
Ricky: My brother, he loved all this sort of stuff. flies over my, flies, it felt like he just flew past my shoulder and just nutted him straight from the nose. ah But I don't think it was quite as fluid as that.

01:11:34.46
Gareth Flavell: ah

01:11:34.40
Ricky: I think he just came round and just nutted the geezer and then he was down and then we just walked off and ah my mate came out went, I'd just seen all of that. Do remember Liz? Lost in Space?

01:11:44.72
Gareth Flavell: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:11:45.49
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. of the old message board days, he goes, I've just seen all of that, your brother's mentor. I was yeah, know.

01:11:51.77
Gareth Flavell: ah

01:11:53.20
Ricky: ah that was ah That was a tricky one.

01:11:55.58
Gareth Flavell: Fucking hell. I've got… a g I've realised the time of the pod, but I've got um loads of stories. like Just like this Seville, there is… a quick Quick one as well.

01:12:04.98
Ricky: Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:12:06.50
Gareth Flavell: When I was 16, went to Anfield… When I was 16, went to Tottenham away at Anfield. Me and my mate… It was just, it was only me and my mate that went, and fuck knows why I'd gone up when I was like 15, 16 up there.

01:12:19.50
Gareth Flavell: But there was these, it was between two Tottenham fans.

01:12:20.15
Ricky: Yeah.

01:12:21.98
Gareth Flavell: And one of them said to the other two Tottenham fans, I need to go and use the toilet. Can you look after my beers? And they said, yes, we will. He went to the toilet. He was ages. And they thought he's got off somewhere.

01:12:33.27
Gareth Flavell: Let's drink his beers. They drunk his beers. He came back and was like, where's my beers? And they were like, we've drunk them. So they started fighting on the carriage, right? And it was in between, you know, where two carriages connect and where it's overfilled where it's overfilled and me and my mate were just pinned up against the door and they were fighting in the carriage and it was going mental, right?

01:12:47.41
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:55.22
Gareth Flavell: And then one of them, then the single guy walked off and the other two friends were there.

01:12:55.90
Ricky: Yeah.

01:12:59.77
Gareth Flavell: And m he looked at him and he goes, Dave. And he's like, what? He goes, I've shit myself. And he goes, yeah. He said it was a bit weird. He goes, no, no, no. I've actually shit myself. And the carriage stank.

01:13:12.06
Gareth Flavell: Absolutely. The adrenaline.

01:13:12.51
Ricky: What? What?

01:13:13.62
Gareth Flavell: It must've, his bowels must've just fucking gone. he for He actually did. He actually did a fucking Lincoln logger in his pants and it stank.

01:13:21.20
Ricky: Why you see that sometimes you street street fights that people just shit themselves during the fight?

01:13:21.90
Gareth Flavell: And then,

01:13:24.47
Gareth Flavell: yeah yeah And then we got to the next stop. Trains, you know, pulling, doors open, Ros's on the carriage, spotted the two guys, arrested them, took them off.

01:13:33.30
Ricky: Get out.

01:13:40.54
Gareth Flavell: God, that was ah that was absolutely disgusting. Fucking hell shit himself.

01:13:43.24
Ricky: That's amazing.

01:13:44.22
Gareth Flavell: Right. Okay. We are going to go on to something only you know that is called get ready for the launch. The topic for next week is when friends drift apart sent in by one of the lads on patron. Uh, we're going to be talking about childhood best mates, why friends drift apart, why men go ages without speaking to mates and pick up where they left off.

01:14:04.28
Gareth Flavell: why friendships naturally fizzle out, or if you've deliberately let it drift apart, all that and more next week. If you've got any stories or anything you want to share, any friendship dilemmas or relationship issues, send it in to ladsanonpod at gmail.com. And we will, of course, read them out. Oh, before I forget the dilemma from last week, can you remember it?

01:14:29.72
Gareth Flavell: So the gentleman, so the gentleman was having, going to be having a long distance relationship with his, uh, Mrs.

01:14:30.11
Ricky: No.

01:14:37.11
Ricky: Yes. Yeah.

01:14:37.80
Gareth Flavell: And she was going to, she was looking for a house share and he didn't want her to house share with load of lads.

01:14:41.82
Ricky: Yes, yes, yes, yes. We're blads, yeah.

01:14:43.13
Gareth Flavell: Right. Yeah. So he heard it. Been meaning to email in and say thanks. You guys more or less echoed my thoughts on it, which was reassuring with extra pearls of wisdom.

01:14:54.73
Gareth Flavell: She's now settled in on a place, five girls and one geezer, which I'm fine with.

01:15:00.03
Ricky: Ah okay. Yeah, yeah fair.

01:15:01.02
Gareth Flavell: Much love. Good, good.

01:15:02.49
Ricky: Yeah good. Good, good. Glad that worked for you

01:15:05.94
Gareth Flavell: um Something only you know.

01:15:14.65
Gareth Flavell: Get ready for the launch. So lads, let me paint the picture. I've been seeing this girl for a little while now. She's 28 and I'm 24. Things have been going well and she invited me around to spend the night at hers as her parents have gone away for the weekend.

01:15:30.17
Gareth Flavell: The only problem was it was my dad's birthday and I was going to a daytime rave. She said no worries and that she would pick me up after. I'm thinking get in there.

01:15:40.57
Gareth Flavell: So after a heavy day drinking, that's exactly what happens. She comes and picks me up and takes me back to hers, which is about a 20 minute drive away. When we got to hers, she said we would have to sleep in the annex at the bottom of the garden as she only has a single bed and we spent a beautiful night together.

01:16:00.18
Gareth Flavell: Then the problem begins. I don't know about you boys, but usually after a night out, I will wake up mega early needing a hangover shit. It was 5am and I was scared she would hear me absolutely dropping my guts in the toilet next to her bed. So I did only the one rational thing a man would do in my position. I sit and hold it in.

01:16:24.09
Gareth Flavell: After what felt like being punched in the stomach by Mike Tyson for three hours, she eventually woke up and tried to initiate some morning fun. I pretended like I felt sick from the night before and thought just to lay there like a dead fox on the road.

01:16:32.53
Ricky: Oh, no.

01:16:38.74
Gareth Flavell: She would get bored and give up. A couple of hours later, she was she was going to have a shower and got dressed and left to go into the main house.

01:16:49.15
Ricky: couple of hours later.

01:16:49.50
Gareth Flavell: ah not

01:16:51.45
Ricky: are going be lying there for?

01:16:51.58
Gareth Flavell: Holding that ticking time bomb in.

01:16:55.58
Gareth Flavell: This should have been my first warning as I saw the opportunity to strike and darted to the annexed toilet. Now, I'm not the tallest man in the world, and I'm only a pathetic 5'8 in Air Max. Pathetic 5'8, fucking chill out.

01:17:10.12
Gareth Flavell: But this must… but this must have been the smallest toilet in the world. This should have been my second warning, but after an intense few hours, I didn't care. I essentially squatted over this toilet with my knees touching my shoulders and felt that sweet release coming out of my tiny arsehole.

01:17:27.85
Gareth Flavell: painted a lovely picture there as of my asshole burnt from the steaming hot mess that came out i began to wipe and wipe and wipe and every sheet looking like a mudslide all cleaned up and feeling like a like a new man after dropping the kids at the pool i go to dispose of the evidence

01:17:28.90
Ricky: Yeah, that's disgusting, mate.

01:17:49.22
Gareth Flavell: It doesn't flush. My first thought is, oh no.

01:17:50.86
Ricky: Oh no.

01:17:53.27
Gareth Flavell: My second is, can't wait to tell Ricky and Flav about this.

01:17:53.56
Ricky: Run. Run.

01:17:57.30
Gareth Flavell: ah ah Now, you're probably wondering what I did now. The only thing a say a sane man in my position would do, of course, use the plunger beside the toilet to scoop up my utter filth and launch it out the window into the woods behind their garden.

01:18:16.09
Gareth Flavell: this, at this, sorry, at that is some, and that is something only I know. Shout out to my brother who listens to the pod and will be listening to this to know the disgusting man he's related to.

01:18:30.82
Ricky: Yeah.

01:18:31.03
Gareth Flavell: so yeah, you wouldn't you wouldn't know. You wouldn't know it's your brother that that did that. Thank you very much for that. Jesus Christ. um ah I've been fishing many a time and holding a poo in is it's it's one of the worst pains and knowing that it could all go just by going for a for a poo.

01:18:40.78
Ricky: Yeah. Yep.

01:18:50.87
Gareth Flavell: it's It's a nightmare.

01:18:51.65
Ricky: But in that instance, use there isn't the pressure. Because I remember when you first start dating the stuff, you don't want to… I'm sure you, I mean, you're a fucking creature. You happily just shit with the door open on your first date.

01:19:04.03
Ricky: I don't know how comfortable you are.

01:19:04.89
Gareth Flavell: for First date? No, not the first date.

01:19:07.53
Ricky: But now, though, everyone's just shit in front of each other, are you?

01:19:08.57
Gareth Flavell: Third date. Yeah, that yeah, yeah, yeah. There there there are multiple people, Puma, doors open.

01:19:12.48
Ricky: What, so you're having a poo and you're going like, everybody come, everybody come, I'm doing a poo.

01:19:15.19
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, doors open. Yeah, no, I just put i pushed the door too. Not locked or anything like that.

01:19:20.62
Ricky: Are the girls still using your ensuite?

01:19:23.54
Gareth Flavell: Yes, they are, yeah.

01:19:25.53
Ricky: So you'll be lying in bed and then they'll come and drop a

01:19:28.34
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, not not if I've got anything to do, but I am. like Normally it's the morning. I'm laying there in bed and they're just brushing their teeth. And then I'm looking at my phone scrolling. What the fuck's that? Are you shitting in there?

01:19:40.76
Gareth Flavell: Sorry, dad. Fucking hell, man. That's disgusting.

01:19:44.74
Ricky: Don't be sorry. Don't do it.

01:19:46.65
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:19:46.62
Ricky: There's another toilet in the house.

01:19:48.38
Gareth Flavell: Look, mate, there's two toilets in the house.

01:19:48.53
Ricky: What?

01:19:50.09
Gareth Flavell: We've got the main bathroom a fucking toilet downstairs. You choose to do it in my ensuite where I'm laying.

01:19:55.98
Ricky: I'm lying here. And I have to like, I find that, I find that rude.

01:20:00.15
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it

01:20:00.77
Ricky: not I know they're your kids and that's different, but like when, I don't if I'm in a car and someone drops their ass and don't, doesn't open the window, to me, that's equivalent of someone spitting on me.

01:20:08.95
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah. oh Yeah, yeah, yeah. that's That's nasty work if you don't open the window.

01:20:16.95
Ricky: Open the window. Oh, sorry. I didn't realize what you didn't realize. What, what part of you farting and then smelling would you didn't realize would happen?

01:20:25.56
Gareth Flavell: ah ah

01:20:26.20
Ricky: Like, yeah if I spat on your face and then go, sorry, I didn't realize, that's the same thing to me. Fucking rank.

01:20:33.61
Gareth Flavell: There's this well funny video um that I saw of two Geordie lads, father and son, and the the father's walking out from the petrol station all jolly and singing to himself. And he opens the door and he's like, you all right, son?

01:20:45.86
Gareth Flavell: And he's like then he just goes, are you shit? Are you shit?

01:20:50.16
Ricky: Yeah, yeah.

01:20:50.82
Gareth Flavell: And he's like laughing to himself.

01:20:51.78
Ricky: Yes. ah

01:20:52.46
Gareth Flavell: And then the dad's retching. He's like, open the windows.

01:20:57.45
Ricky: Bye.

01:20:58.79
Gareth Flavell: Oh, God. Right. That's been the end of Lads Anonymous this week. um Yeah, I've got nothing else to say. I hope you have a bloody wonderful week, everyone. The topic for next week is friends drifting apart.

01:21:10.62
Gareth Flavell: If you've got any stories or anything for not that you want to share, ladsanonpod at gmail.com. And until next week, we'll see you then.

01:21:20.73
Ricky: by

00:00:00:12 – 00:00:24:24
And he, when he painted roundabouts your way. Okay. You know, ask that. I was going to ask you. I was like, you were late to the party. Were you busy painting the roundabout? So you send every letter everywhere. Do you got any devices? Yes. Me? Oh, yeah. No, I'll go there. Yeah. Hundred percent. The start of the first.

00:00:25:01 – 00:00:45:12
The first painting roundabout was in Devizes. Yeah. The. Some of them are terrible. There you go. Like someone who's got no talent painting some of them really neat. And you're like, actually, if you should be a painter. Yeah. That guy is definitely skilled labor 100. Yeah. Paint decorator maybe. And then others are just a atrocity. Like, don't make it to someone else.

00:00:45:12 – 00:01:10:15
You can do it properly. Make him look bad. I'm joking. I'm joking. I am when I drove to Manchester the other week, there was a lot of, bridges that I saw with Union Jacks, Saint George's flags flying over bridges, houses and stuff. I'm so I'm surprised that no one like a no one's going to step further with a white front door and done a red cross on their door, or something like that will happen.

00:01:10:17 – 00:01:39:20
There's a geezer who lives near me who flies. It just. He's just obviously angry at the world. And angry at the situation that this country finds itself in from his perspective, but not just here everywhere. So if it was like I don't know if there's a day to celebrate the Basque region, but he will fly a Spanish flag whenever there's this kind of an American flag, a trump.

00:01:40:01 – 00:02:03:24
And whenever there's this kind of thing that exists, thing, whether the, the state of old or the nationalistic principle is, is it's hats, it's got a flag up. Oh I see. I don't know what he looks like. He might be a woman. I have no idea. He supports everything. He supports everything is sort of the underdog. No, no, no.

00:02:04:01 – 00:02:22:21
Oh. Really? Yes. He's flying Union Jacks and and the old St George's Cross at the moment. Yeah. So while everyone else had the blue and gold for Ukraine, blue and yellow for Ukraine, he had a Russian flag. You get where he's coming from. He didn't think about to be gay. Yeah. I don't know. How does it make you feel?

00:02:22:23 – 00:02:50:06
It? Honestly. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's a it's a it's a larger conversation, but it makes me, I mean, like, obviously people have, a sense of national pride, which is absolutely, you know, fine. You know, like, around, football tournaments, Rugby World Cup, whatever. And, like, I love it, around celebrations, even though I'm not kind of a, a royalist.

00:02:50:06 – 00:03:25:15
And when you've got bank holiday weekends and people have got, the what are they fucking called? You know, just the little triangle banners of the NHL. Yeah, but in bunting, like, I do get a sense of, you know, community. That's the word I'm looking for a sense of community a and a sense of pride. But I feel like that, you know, a certain side, for want of a better word, kind of have hijacked the flags for a different meaning.

00:03:25:17 – 00:03:53:06
Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, it's like where it's like, I get the community feel, the national pride and willing to support. Fuck. You know what this is? No, it's not, it's not. And then when I see that and what I kind of know what the the hidden, agenda is about it, then that obviously makes me feel incredibly uncomfortable.

00:03:53:08 – 00:04:15:00
And it makes me not feel wanted in my own country or that I have, a belonging in my own country. So you'll probably be one of the ones where we go. Yeah, he's all right. This one's all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go down the pub, you'll be a riot. I'd like that in the 90s. Yeah, well, I want this one too.

00:04:15:00 – 00:04:40:14
Right. It's a good one. This one? Yeah. He's laughing at himself. Do that curry joke again, mate. Hey. Yeah. Yeah. It does seem as you've got older, Ricky, you become much more able to talk about how you felt growing up and what what, you know, it meant to be have brown skin in Milton Keynes, which evolved even when I met you.

00:04:40:14 – 00:04:58:15
I watched that happen in you, which is important. Good thing. You know, it's it's difficult at imagine. I can't imagine actually. But, it just shows you. Yeah. Go on, say it just shows you how. How?

00:04:58:17 – 00:05:29:01
Assimilated. Everybody feels at the moment. And divided and angry and this sort of stuff happens. And these is sort of made worse when, you know, the economy's bad and things are going around. There's a kind of existential crisis that people have gone for at the moment. You know, wars and global issues with pricing and it's very depressing out there because on Israel, it just feels we feel a little bit hopeless.

00:05:29:01 – 00:05:42:11
Right. And then and so people who are disenfranchized get angry and vocal and, you know, there is there is an issue with how,

00:05:42:13 – 00:06:09:12
Things have changed apparently in London, like the London that I grew up in. Isn't the London that exists now. And I'm not saying I don't think it's worse, it's just not where I come from anymore. And so, I feel a little bit sad when I go back to London and I can't. I don't feel like I'm at home, you know, I'm not just.

00:06:09:16 – 00:06:40:10
And I look at where brown paper. It's not that. It's just my. What I grew up with. What I remember is gone. Pretty much. I don't I, I don't, I don't hear a lot of Cockney accent to speak differently. And that Cockney accent didn't exist 100 years before. And probably I don't know the right answer. My point is, is cities like London and all across the world are constantly evolving and undulating and changing, especially when there's, you know, cultural melting pot that is London.

00:06:40:12 – 00:07:03:14
And I can understand, intellectualize that and accept it, even though I have not. I have a nostalgic longing for being in London in the 80s and 90s, because that's where I grew up. You know, those little things on TikTok. Rick Roots plays that music of kids playing in the playground, and then the Christmas in the 80s, and I'm looking when I'm gone may take me back a million.

00:07:03:20 – 00:07:28:19
That is like looking at these TikToks. But, you know, what are they doing? And wankers, they know what they do and no one's I mean, Rick and I absolutely do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's funny, like, do you feel like I've got a genuine sorrow and pain in my chest? When I saw it? And what you're actually doing is you're you're transported back to moments that you think were amazing and beautiful and happy and perfect, and they weren't in one at all.

00:07:28:19 – 00:07:47:14
So you're just kind of. You're, What was it? I had the best way to say. But you're a tourist in your own nostalgia. That's what it is. If you go back, you want to go as a tourist? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, good. So. So I'm a long winded way of saying, Ricky, that, I don't think people can.

00:07:47:16 – 00:08:12:07
I don't think I think people a lot of people find difficult to accept that things change and they're angry. Yeah. And I get that. I like for me, I, actually mentioned it on, like the midweek Paul quickie of Ricky about, the costs, you know, the rising costs. And everyone was like the cost of living crisis.

00:08:12:07 – 00:08:35:16
And this was like, I don't know how long ago people were mentioning it. It's like things still aren't coming down, you know, like pints are still 6.50 pound. It's like what? Like I, we would go to the pub. Yeah, yeah. Everything's going up and it's fucking ridiculous. That's the problem. He goes up and then they'll say, oh inflation is coming down but it's not going down to the price before the inflation rose.

00:08:35:18 – 00:09:05:16
No it just it's that these, this now that's the cost of stuff that I didn't know. And I'm still saying when is it going down. It's not going down is it goes down. It never goes down. It's like so you price of earning. Your price of earning. Sorry. Your wages should go up accordingly. Typically wages can be linked not when you freelance like us, but when you have a job you're you should more or less be linked with inflation.

00:09:05:18 – 00:09:38:06
Pay rises should be. So I understand why there is this, this content. Yeah I misplace hey, it's gotta go somewhere. Let's kind of, target immigrants. But then even if they did, stop every single boat, it's like, well, who's to blame then? And it's kind of like going back to the flags and how I feel. It's like after you do illegal immigrants now, it's kind of like there's this rhetoric around sending everyone back.

00:09:38:08 – 00:09:55:21
It's like like when does it when, when does a buck stop? And it gets to me, you know, I mean because it will do, you know, it's like, right, you gotta go back and it's like, well, I don't want to go back to Northampton. I was only born. That made my, my children living in Milton Keynes and me living in Northampton.

00:09:55:23 – 00:10:21:07
Yeah. I don't know, man. I just, I'm so fatigued I can't even watch the news anymore, to be honest, I can't when when news at six comes on, I turn it off every single time. What's a life in the country? And I'll switch to that. Or. Oh, Chateau DIY sos something. Oh, my, what a fucking grave I'm not.

00:10:21:07 – 00:10:38:02
Is. We're getting old, Ricky is a great program. Oh, I make so good, right? They, when they buy those, like, 15 bedroom chateaux in the south of France. Yeah, I got no idea how they're doing up. They're just doing it. They're getting along and they're getting people in there. And I'm like saying how much they. I got to look at my mess.

00:10:38:02 – 00:10:56:01
I'm not sure. Fancy buying a chateau? Yeah. Let me down there shall we. Oh come the. Yeah, I saw it. So it's that kind of like switching off from the world and the people. So there's two sides of the coin. Some of the sides know you need to know what's going on. And the other side of the coin going, do you need to know what's going on.

00:10:56:01 – 00:11:18:04
Because you can't change a thing. I can't watch one more. Come watch one more news story of some poor fucking kid being blown to bits in Gaza. I just cannot, bring that in anymore than I already have let in. So just don't. And like I said this many times, I've got to a stage where I just don't care about anything.

00:11:18:06 – 00:11:38:14
Not. I'm not a nihilist. I care about things are important to me. I, but my family and providing for them and making sure they're as happy as they possibly can be. I just stopped giving a fuck about everything else. The, You know what? I think that is the only kind of way that you can move forward.

00:11:38:14 – 00:12:06:15
Because if you stopped at every single, you know. Yeah, exactly like that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What's his name? What's his name? I'm obsessed with that guy. What's that night? A big sort of gangsta rapper. Useless. But what's his name? Jordan. Jordan? Yeah, it's. It is Jordan. It is George. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. This guy does look scary.

00:12:06:15 – 00:12:24:13
And I wouldn't want to be around him very often, but there's this bit where he's. He's on the James English podcast. So you can you can put those two things together. You already know what type of conversation they're having. What is it, Rick? Well, I'll play it. I'll play it because it'd be better. What? Yeah. Okay. What what what?

00:12:24:15 – 00:12:52:21
What? I'm trying to find it. Rick. What? What who is this Jordan McCann geezer? I don't know who he is, but it's basically, He's saying to James English, he's he's he's daring him because he's read the Bible back to back. Isaiah back to back. He knows every verse. He knows it. Oh, and immediately when he's saying, I know all this stuff, you're thinking this already sounds like bullshit.

00:12:52:24 – 00:13:15:00
But then he's goading him on going gun attack. Yeah, how dare you? I want you to test me. I want you to test me. Any passage in the Bible, I know it and then blitz. And it sounds like. It sounds like Ballocks already, but now he's going. It's almost like. If you say so. When I have confidence that you can convince people that you're right.

00:13:15:00 – 00:13:23:04
It's even when you're not listening. Listen. Listen to this.

00:13:23:06 – 00:13:39:13
That you read the Bible of back to front of the Old Testament, the New Testament. What was that feeling for you for? There's nothing you can ask me about the Bible. Not until you not start showing off a gentleman like you to do that. Anything. Anything you could think of, I. But what's the best basis on it that stands out?

00:13:39:15 – 00:14:03:23
The best verse is if you stop at every door of the box, you'll never reach a destination. That's my favorite verse because it's basically about you don't stop every bit of that box because you'll never reach your destination. So that was an actual quote by Winston Churchill. Not in the Bible. He goes, I've read the New Testament, Old Testament, I what?

00:14:03:24 – 00:14:22:11
I'd actually like you to test me because give me your favorite verse. Don't stop at every the bugs along the way because you'll never reach your destination. Luke said that in each of them, that Jesus terrifies me. But I am obsessed by him. I'm, like, really successful rap career. That geezer. I have no idea who that is.

00:14:22:14 – 00:14:48:11
Yeah, it's a little, rabbit hole, I reckon. Yeah, I've. I've seen that clip, and, yet, I mean, he's giving good advice there. Like, if you, if you just stop at every news article, every TikTok, every row, then you never you never get to your destination, never get on a mutual friend flow. He always says to me, you're you're privileged to be in a position where you can not care, you can afford, you're afforded not to care.

00:14:48:17 – 00:15:12:01
So because of my I don't know what really. Perhaps the life I've built or the color of my skin. I don't know exactly what it means, but, I do appreciate that I'm lucky enough to not have to have bombs raining down over my head so I can actually say I don't care about it. I do care, I do care, but I just I can't let in.

00:15:12:03 – 00:15:35:05
And I think, I think, I don't even think it's as deep as that. I think it's just a generalist that we live in the Western world, that we live in the Western world, we have a British passport, and we have iPads, fucking AI devices, you know, all that stuff that where we, you know, we won't kind of care till one with bad blood.

00:15:35:07 – 00:16:04:24
Anything. You don't get anything good for a birthday? I mean, she got, an electric scooter, which she won it. Okay, I guess not. You can't ride those on the street. The police take her off her. You know, I mean, it's it's Milton Keynes and it's Wolverton, where I live everywhere. I am the police. My, my my boys mate, he had he got an electric scooter for his birthday, and within four hours, the police had it.

00:16:05:01 – 00:16:29:10
He was like, really? I mean, he's he was whizzing around Devizes on it like, yeah, I should not be. There. I mean, it's it's they're kind of going up and down our street at the moment and maybe going to the park. It's all fine. It's all fine. Good, good, good. I've also got a SodaStream, which, you know, like, desperate for SodaStream.

00:16:29:10 – 00:16:56:15
Yeah, exactly. What is it again? Like, is it just carbon emission? Yeah. Carbonated drinks. Yeah. Well, why does she want that? I mean, always when I, when I was her age I also wanted a SodaStream. Yeah. So like she's just drinking like Covid. It's making her own Pepsi. Her own cherry Pepsi. Lime Pepsi. It's like, I don't know, I mean, all of the sort of sirups.

00:16:56:17 – 00:17:15:14
Yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah. That's nice. I was it's slightly different. I mean, it's slightly different, but you couldn't really matter. Obviously you get. Yeah. Yeah, I like it because it's more syrupy. It's that more sweetness that. What are you saying? Are you saying I. Let's broaden the jingle and then I've got a question for you quickly before we go to.

00:17:15:14 – 00:17:47:15
Right. Go, get. On the night I see, like Band of Brothers playing tunes. He's quite midnight. Waves surfing through till daylight breaks. Rhythm hit us different ways. Love of music I we prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band that we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Promise. Hello and welcome to Lads Anonymous.

00:17:47:15 – 00:18:13:13
It's episode 112. I'm Ricky, he's five two best mates. One main topic we answer your life dilemmas and confessions and I feature something 90, you know. And everything remains anonymous always. So sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast. How's it going, Flav? Do you? Don't you worry about that, do you? Are you, Are you a full fat Coke or Coke Zero kind of guy?

00:18:13:15 – 00:18:34:19
Not if I because I don't, I don't worry about the calories. What do you prefer, taste wise? Full fat lie every day. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Get that syrupy fuzziness on my tongue. Let the sugar hit. I don't know, not at all. Man. Like Coke Zero, I think just tastes better. Is less icky. I don't know what to say.

00:18:34:19 – 00:18:55:02
Like, Yeah, yeah. And that's what I like. All right, all right. So I like the fact that I know it's doing that. Yeah. And what about, what about is it canned or is it in a bottle? Children, a bottle of chilled canned. Oh, that's a good question. I think, a Coke always tastes better in a glass bottle.

00:18:55:02 – 00:19:17:17
Yeah, like when you've pulled it up, it does taste better, though. Is different. People go nuts already in mind. It does taste different. Do you think is the fact that when you get a glass bottle, you're normally doing something a bit out of the ordinary, like you're on a holiday or you're in a little restaurant or something like that, a fancy lemon from the bottle when you're in Spain.

00:19:17:19 – 00:19:35:06
That reminds me of being a kid. I don't so much fun a lemon. When I was in Spain when I was a kid, we were really lucky enough that my dad married a woman whose parents had a villa. They owned a villa in Spain, and we would go there for three weeks every summer. Same place. Have you? Yeah, yeah.

00:19:35:08 – 00:19:59:07
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't know what the Spanish accent. Yeah. I think last time I put off money today. Bloody comedian. I the, the, But they had to fund it. And then when I came home, I didn't even think about a fund. Lemon. It was only when I was like, yeah, I mean, I'll only drink sangria if I'm in Spain and when I'm in Spain fucking knocking that shit.

00:19:59:09 – 00:20:20:14
I never drink, I never, I never drink. I think I was put off a sangria because I remember them. I think I remember my mum, my stepmom, drinking loads of it on one holiday and being sick. Sangria, going all over the bathroom. Maybe that was what put me on, the Elite Coke. And this is going to, you know, the Americans are going to list this guy now, today.

00:20:20:16 – 00:20:43:10
But the elite version of the Coke, it's from McDonald's. Yes. Okay. Do you know, give me. That is better than any bottled. I get that because my daughter, often says that, so I mean, I can. Yeah. She. Yeah. She thinks that's the number one. What's your water when you go to McDonald's? When pigment. Yeah, I, I swap it.

00:20:43:12 – 00:21:09:19
I'll, I'll either go, Panera cheese or a Big Mac and obviously chips drink and banana milkshake. And then I will have, little. How often are you doing this, Rick? By the way? Chicken mayo chaser. Maybe once every three weeks, I'd say. Okay. Okay. It's. You haven't. Like a milkshake in. It's like to 800 calories in it.

00:21:09:21 – 00:21:36:06
Yeah. It's. Yes it is. Taste good though. Yeah. Strawberry milkshake. Do you know I've got a fact for you? You know that. What's in the cup? The dye to make strawberry milkshake go pink. Gaviscon. Gaviscon? And it's the only pink thing I could think. Beatles blood. Oh, fuck off. Is it really? Yeah. If you make that up.

00:21:36:06 – 00:21:59:23
No, because I can't drink it because I'm a vegan and vegetarian, I can't eat. I don't give a shit. Like, I don't know why I'm vegetarian. You know the reason why I'm vegetarian is I don't. I can't stop eating meat. It's disgusting to me. Now. I absolutely love fasting, but when we're having roast dinner. Yeah, obviously the gravy, it comes from the base of the chicken.

00:22:00:00 – 00:22:25:21
Yeah. And I have that. Of course I do. It's lovely. But it's very best. I don't like some fucking leopard. I'm having the good shit. Okay, I me, fair play, mate. You ever think about kind of like a doing a, little like like a weekly kind of a quarter of a Scotch egg or something like that.

00:22:25:21 – 00:22:42:09
And then weaning your way back into meat, and then you've got the menu opened up weirdly. It's like that would require commitment. And I. I have no desire or want to do it. So you're asking me to commit to something that I couldn't give a shit about? Do not. I mean, yeah, like, let's say, like, you know what?

00:22:42:09 – 00:23:07:22
What am I. It's like you're saying, am I going to drive to the Ukraine and fight their war? No, no. But would I do a little bit of driving each day to get there? No. So I'm not going. I can't be bothered to start training. What's it? I'm not going to stop eating little bits of meat so I can then eat all of the chicken.

00:23:07:24 – 00:23:25:11
I haven't, I haven't caught up with you in the last. Well, like, probably in the last three days, but I've fucking slept funny, and I've done my neck in. And so my daughter's birthday, I woke up and I was fucked, and I was like, God, that really, really hurt. So now I haven't done that in years.

00:23:25:11 – 00:23:46:04
And, like, if I've ever done that. But then I forgot about it and I went to drive to the shop to get more supplies. And when I looked right, I was just like, you shop? God, yeah, man, I don't know. Do you know what I mean? When you wreck your neck and then you suddenly paralyzed for about seven seconds and you go, I've broken my neck, I've prayed.

00:23:46:06 – 00:24:02:11
Oh, this is my life now. Forever. I can't move. And then. And it just goes away very quickly. I've got to live in this car. That's it. Let us. No, no, because doctors listen to this positively. Yeah, we have. I think we could have got in contact before heavenly. That got in contact quite a few times, actually. What is that bolt of lightning.

00:24:02:13 – 00:24:20:19
Oh, you. So you. Yeah. In a day you might turn. You had left a thousand times. Right. And then the next day you might do it a thousand times for a year. You might do it a million times. And then there's that one time you turn it and it feels like you've broken your neck. What the fuck is happening?

00:24:20:21 – 00:24:43:03
And every time I'm laughing, I'm fucking a blood clot. Hell, yeah. It made you to. When you sleep, do you sleep? When you're right, you're left you back. I sleep on my left, and I. My legs are like, And I sleep on my front, and my legs are, like, in a secret for. So it's like, what, like a baby?

00:24:43:05 – 00:25:02:19
Yeah. Like kind of like I sleep on my front. All right, so sleep on the front like that. And looking forward, your legs like. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. My leg one leg straight. My right leg straight arm. My left leg is, bent inside. And it's like if you're above, you'd see a figure full. Well, I had the easily just on my side.

00:25:02:19 – 00:25:24:21
I'm always on my right hand side. I do shift because my shoulder aches. Yeah, a lot, but I always sleep on the right side pillow. Hugging a pillow. Hugging a pillow. Yeah. Always as close as possible. I've always done it as a kid. I think it's just fully clothed as well. Thank you. I know that you sleep in your jeans sometimes.

00:25:24:23 – 00:25:44:15
I've never. I mean, I've fallen asleep on the sofa. My, sleeping pants. I just go straight to pants. Is. It's everywhere. Everywhere. It doesn't matter if it's freezing cold outside. I want the window open. Right. Okay. Window right in this house. Windows open. Well, even in the winter. Even in the winter. Now you need that fresh air.

00:25:44:16 – 00:26:04:13
You need that fresh air, you know? Yeah, you need to circulate. Right. But boxer shorts. Summer when, boxer shorts and t shirt. I have a little t shirt on. No no no no, I can't, I can't have anything on me like that. And I can't be restricted. And you need the leg. You need the wrist restricted by a t shirt.

00:26:04:15 – 00:26:30:19
That's so he said it's like I might get caught up on something and then I get trapped. Who is that? Someone sent you a message about having the regulator. This is the leg out. Kind of sort the body. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he. But he posted it with the some regulators by wearing G. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that made me laugh as well I got to say.

00:26:30:20 – 00:26:59:21
Oh no. Okay. It's, we, we, we're, we're like 26 minutes in, which is good. The topic for today is things that don't exist anymore. Actually, before I, before I, in London, in London don't exist anymore. You've been back there lately? When you were saying that I was about to bring that up. Before we go into that, though, someone tweeted us, and this is the in the copy of the tweet.

00:27:00:01 – 00:27:28:14
It just says, but called me at 2 a.m. needed a place to crash. Didn't expect to be sending these kind of messages at 43, but here we are. And then he sent a screengrab of the message. I hope you made it. Okay. Okay. Home. But couple of things. Number one, I have your glasses. Number two, next time you're over, please use the toilet and not the trash can.

00:27:28:16 – 00:27:51:18
And then the person's reply saying, oh shit, dot dot dot. I'm so sorry, dude. Stuck. Well, the guy was like, say your buddy is like, I like to. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, sort of dumping that trash can. I think he's just got up and he's had a lash in there bin. Imagine if I came over to yours, even if I was pissed up and I pissed in your bin waiting.

00:27:51:20 – 00:28:17:08
It's that is relatively common. Like, I think a lot of people like my, my cousin, he would sleepwalk and come downstairs and open the, the bin in the kitchen and piss in that when he was sleepwalking. What that's does your mental and I but it was, you know, it's a bit of a joke in our family for a few years until, you know, some jokes get old and you start telling them, do you do you have you ever suffered sleep?

00:28:17:10 – 00:28:39:15
Nothing like that. I've done anything like that in my life. Nothing like not touch wood. Nothing weird or massively significant has happened. I've never broke my leg in a bad way. I'd. I haven't done anything. I haven't slept, walked, I haven't. I talk in my sleep a bit. Other than that, I'm pretty kind of find out what you say.

00:28:39:15 – 00:29:06:03
So it's generally saying, like, health wise, you've never done like, an arm break, leg break hurt your back or done, like, been out of action for hernia a while. Like higher ups. Yeah. You got a, but everybody like all of earnings, you've got one. I probably got one. Okay. Yeah probably. Yeah. I mean, I'll explain the gut.

00:29:06:05 – 00:29:23:24
Yeah. So, no, no, I'm quite lucky I, I've never done anything bad. I know your finger story. That was quite bad. But other than that. Yeah, I've had a couple of finger stories. We we're we're running dangerously over it. I, and don't worry, I'll, I'll, make sure it doesn't run well over.

00:29:24:00 – 00:29:46:07
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00:29:46:09 – 00:30:07:20
There's been like normally when I put stuff out there I I'll say we're talking about this this week and we'll get two emails and then that's fine. That's you know people have replied but it's, you know, you know, I'll have to do work and take stuff into the pub this week. Can't fucking shut their mouths, could they fuck me?

00:30:07:20 – 00:30:49:10
Good lord, there was a lot coming over. So things that don't exist anymore, which was which was, you know, it's a good topic. We've already touched on some nostalgia stuff there, but a big one. We'll start with the big one, the algos catalog or catalogs in general. I mean, I, love I mean, how much joy, when we were younger of flicking through a the Argos catalog, I used to folding the pages down, circling stuff of what I want it probably never got, but still there was hide it.

00:30:49:14 – 00:31:20:00
It's not. You wanted it desperately. Don't get me wrong, Rick. But that wasn't the fun. That wasn't what you were doing. No. And and that what you was doing was just looking at all this stuff. It was like having a toy shop in your. In your front room? Yes. You say you had no money sometimes as a kid when you skin like I know you grew up and your your things were quite, you know, difficult for you look you were fed and stuff but yeah, you know, it wasn't like you, you had a megadrive or snares bought for you the day it came out or anything like that.

00:31:20:01 – 00:31:35:23
Okay. So my dad's side of the family, he was, he had money, he was works as a plumber and always, you know, very hard and brought money. And I mean, they separate. My mum went her way and she was a nurse. So she didn't have money, right. Yeah.

00:31:36:00 – 00:31:54:09
We would go to the toy shop just to look. And that was fun. Yeah that was fun. And so we go to toys R us and it was like, yeah, let's go with Russ. And it was never with the expectation that you would get in something. It was just, this is fucking great. I think this is I think you know what being like, you can be introspective here now mate.

00:31:54:09 – 00:32:11:08
Is that why when the kids were little, I spoiled them? I think too much because I just got them stuff. Oh, you want not get it? Because I had a bit of money, a little bit of money. I just wanted them to have to be able to get what they wanted. Whereas when we were kids, I don't think we always that wasn't a possibility.

00:32:11:10 – 00:32:35:13
So do you think those who do you think that's a bad thing? I know because I mean, you know, I don't know them like you, but the times I've met them, they're not like not oil or anything like that, you know. Not at all, not at all, not not spoiled. I don't know if they understand the value of money like I did in I think.

00:32:35:15 – 00:32:51:12
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I've made it quite easy for them. Whenever they need money, I'll give it to them. Whereas yeah, by the time I was close age I had a job for two years. Yeah, I've got a job in when I was 15 in Woolworths. As soon as I got my something that doesn't exist anymore. Rick Woolies.

00:32:51:12 – 00:33:16:17
Yeah. I, I got, I got my, a National Insurance card, which meant you're allowed to work essentially. And so, I did I went to work in Woolworths and I was there for two years. It was good. I was on yeah, well, my starting wage of 2.63 pounds an hour. That's insane. And they're going to do that, but not a lot.

00:33:16:17 – 00:33:39:05
I always, I always remember as well, my missus worked in Woolworths and that was like when she was 15, 16. And, she never told me we were at school at the time because I remember going with my mates hunting her out to see where she where, go and see her at work. What, you'd find a way for you to turn up and talk to her.

00:33:39:07 – 00:33:58:18
Yeah, well, I just wanted to kind of like her life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a like. Yes, I got, we. When I look back now, obviously, I was like, even at 15, 16, I was, like, in love with her. But back then, there was no kind of. We weren't in a relationship away. You just watch her.

00:33:58:18 – 00:34:21:09
But she didn't know you was watching. Yeah, exactly. Like a friend, right? Or anything like that. The. No, no no no, just hide. Hide and watch. No. But I went into Woolworths and I was looking at all these people and she wasn't there, and I knew she was there and I couldn't understand why. And then one of my mates went, there's escalators over there.

00:34:21:09 – 00:34:44:16
She up stairs and I don't know, let's go up there. And I went up there and that's where the restroom was. And I was like, could a restaurant in Woolworths? Yeah, there was a restaurant in Woolworths. Like a little Woolies restaurant. What? Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Never. Aussie. Never. Yeah. Like that went up there. You never guess so I sure it was my missus and she was wearing a straw hat.

00:34:44:17 – 00:35:06:21
You know, like if you're on a gondola, one of these fucking. Not a straw hat. That was part of a uniform. And we clocked ice and she ran into the back, and I was fucking crying, and all my mates were crying. I mean, yeah, that's that's a classic. They should bring Woolworths back just for that. I, I even when I was.

00:35:06:23 – 00:35:33:20
I'm just looking at the Woolworths caff. Yeah they did have them. Yeah I wasn't aware of that fucking line. Brave I looks terrible. It looks really terrible. So I, I even when I was working at Woolworths, I realized that this, this business wasn't long for ending. It was really a terrible shop. What did it have? It had music, had picnics and all the rest of it.

00:35:33:24 – 00:35:57:23
It was just crap. It was like. It was like blenders. It was the Russell Hobbs blenders. And it was just the clothes were just awful. It was just it was it, wasn't it? The, the modern day kind of catalog. It just had everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was. Yeah, I just opened shop and I'll just get everything when, when just going back to Argos catalogs again.

00:35:58:03 – 00:36:18:10
What would you, would you settle down with an Argos catalog. And people are out there younger there. How many younger listeners we've got. This is how we didn't have phones, right. We had nothing. You're evil out playing football, climbing trees, doing door ginger. Yeah. You're inside looking at Argos catalogs and wanking to K catalogs. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

00:36:18:10 – 00:36:46:08
And that was your life. That private life monopoly. Yeah, yeah. So what? Where would you go straight away in the Argos. Khalil? What are you, straight to toys? Yeah. It was always straight to toys. And back then it's, I had a weird kind of, obsession mascot. It tricks. Yeah. Just all the. You could get some really fucking naughty, expensive ones.

00:36:46:13 – 00:37:04:09
Yeah. They'd have, like, jumps and you could get them, like, you could dress it with heels and trees and stuff like that. And I was like, fuck you. Now imagine having one of those that's set up in your loft. Yeah, I'd have to turn the page because I couldn't even bear thinking about it because it's just so good.

00:37:04:11 – 00:37:28:14
And then, you know, the older WWF wrestlers. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they would always, so I, I was another one. You could get the, terraces, you could get people, you could get floodlights. It was fucking amazing. Oh yeah. Any of that stuff better than. No, no, not that I had no one. No one I got stuff.

00:37:28:14 – 00:37:50:16
Did they know, okay. Now, what it about is about circling stuff that you want, not what you. That was the game. I was a bit more of a connoisseur, though. Of the August catalog. I think I'd take my time of it. Yeah, I'd peruse rather impatiently. The homeware section sometimes. Yeah, I and I'd try and match stuff that was in there with my house.

00:37:50:18 – 00:38:17:14
What's in there? That's in the August catalog and see how many things I could find. Well, would you like, get like a have a look at the, food blenders and stuff like that? Yeah, yeah we did, we never did. But yeah, we've got one of these. Yeah. And then, yeah. Like I say, is, as a hoarder and I sort of moved on to Katy's catalog, really, which then you sort of look at trading this genes, sanity talk.

00:38:17:16 – 00:38:41:10
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. And then obviously when no one around the Brother Brazier section. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I swear I'm pretty sure I can see some muff there. Yeah. I was about to say, I swear to God, man, there was muffins, weren't there? I mean, yeah, through the, through the cabin, but not. Yeah, as a sort of 12 year old boy kind.

00:38:41:12 – 00:39:01:00
Why is it so interesting? My mind will fill in. Fill in the gaps. Because he's good at that. Right? 70 years and. Yeah. Your mind. Yeah. Yeah. I have powerful minds. Good minds. Yeah. I mean, I respect it, I do, I mean, like, speaking about catalogs, I mean, they don't really have a place in the world anymore, but speaking about.

00:39:01:04 – 00:39:22:13
Right. Yeah. But the it's the, the the physicality of having something in your hand and flicking through. It's not the same on your phone. It isn't like it's not an adventure like it used to be. No. And you, because things can be delivered straight to you. It's not an event buying something, whereas something like this, it used to be an event.

00:39:22:15 – 00:39:42:22
You'd have to go round to Argos catalog. You go through the August catalog, then you go to Argos. Yeah. Then you would go to, well, you would write it down. What, the code of the item on a slip. Yeah. And you would take it to some, you know, a seven year old kid who's just, you know, it's a first job.

00:39:42:24 – 00:39:58:23
And she would ring it upstairs and some bloke in the warehouse, I would imagine there was just one bloke in the warehouse, but I'm sure there was like a team that would find your item or they would come back. Right now it's that stock of the. They would find your item and bring it down. It's such a fucking mad process.

00:39:58:23 – 00:40:14:16
It's like you'd go in there, it's like a betting shop, like the slips and the little bench. It can. Yeah, I'm going to have a code to go and get what you wanted. Today is August and the things existed. I don't I don't know. Yeah. This August Sainsbury's. Yeah I'm sure it does. Yeah it does, it does.

00:40:14:16 – 00:40:34:06
I'm 100%. So they, they've kind of they're now inside Sainsbury's. Sainsbury's bought them or something like that. Yeah. Yeah yeah that's it. Yeah. Yeah. I think you mentioned it's about you there but all action soccer, the one where you had like a, you had it was like a small pitch, I think in America they had a hockey version.

00:40:34:08 – 00:40:55:04
And you would use your, the little dials to move your player up and down at the end. And that would. Yeah. Yeah. And that was it. Pro action. Soccer coming in. But it was that was a a phenomenal game. I played that for hours and people. Yeah it was good I never like to boot. Yeah I've got to be honest I like the idea.

00:40:55:05 – 00:41:16:18
It's about you playing. It was the terrible name. Yeah it was, it was shit. It was shit. And I think I did have a boot. Yeah, but I'd never quit. Never got into it, never got proper, got into it. I don't think I ever even managed to iron the thing. So there were massive creases on it. I didn't even get that far.

00:41:16:20 – 00:41:33:00
And you just end up someone being and go and you just flicking as hard as you can, smashing the ball. And that was it. Yeah, that was it. I ain't fucking playing. I think my favorite thing about them, though, was the little boxes that the teams came in and you'd find a Spurs box. Yeah, I like that. Yeah.

00:41:33:04 – 00:41:53:02
More than the actual, you know, the actual playing the game I like, I don't like to look through while catalogs the stadiums that they would build in the floodlights and the and the linesmen and the training and the manager on the side, I was more interested in the kind of collector's element. I think. Yeah. No, I get that actually.

00:41:53:04 – 00:42:15:02
Yeah, I totally get that. I mean, again, like I used to, do you remember that shot Beattie's? Did you ever have a Betis round where you, well, what was in it, I see, yeah, it was, I mean, it was like, I think predominantly it was more like a model shop, like remote control cars and boats and planes, that type of stuff.

00:42:15:02 – 00:42:36:04
The Betis model shop. It. But I don't think there was one near me, mate. Honestly, the Transformers collection that they had in there, I like that. When you were saying going to the show, I would just go in there and just peruse like an old man hands behind my back and just stare at them. It was fucking, mate.

00:42:36:04 – 00:43:06:04
It's beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. Love that shot. Well, a couple of barber shops that people have listed our price. Oh, I mean, I. Oh, what's our prices? My best job. Did you really. Yeah, yeah. When I was at university, there was something like, I don't know, 200 applicants for one job. And I got it because two years prior to leaving to go to university, I'd worked on the the music desk at Woolworths.

00:43:06:06 – 00:43:26:06
So I oh, a manager is an amazing mate. I think I done their job, I was doing their job and so I would, I got this, I got this job, know what's our price for about a year and then I can't be bothered to go into the reasons why I no longer work there. But it wasn't very interesting.

00:43:26:08 – 00:43:45:04
Something, just not worth nothing. I'll continue to say this. Yeah. And. Yeah, I know you're pulling me in. You're pulling me in it. I don't I don't want to say I'll tell you off, but the, It's nothing. It's nothing bad to do with me. Someone else, the, I fight the boss, basically. No joke. Yeah.

00:43:45:06 – 00:44:06:18
So the. Yeah. And I got the job now before it sort of went out of business, maybe three, three years later. But it was the best. Especially where it being the university. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's coming in. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. You tell you what, we what the most popular albums at the time we were selling was not being played.

00:44:06:20 – 00:44:32:07
It was what I don't remember about being played. No. I think it's like, it's drum and bass. I think it's still around. What the fuck? Anyway, they had an album called, The Unknown. That was what it was, and that it was White Ladder by David Gray. Ladder? Yeah. What else would it have been?

00:44:32:07 – 00:44:59:16
Obviously, the Eminem Marshall Mathers album. I think those are the big ones. The, the thing for our price, the thing that sticks out for me is I met a certain celebrity and our price, I knew they were there, I was there, I queued up for, hour and a half. I met the British Bulldog, got a sign I.

00:44:59:18 – 00:45:19:15
It was fucking great. David Bowie. Smith. Yeah. Fucking wonderful. Absolutely wonderful. A couple of other stores that people have mentioned comment. Com it doesn't exist anymore. I mean, I don't know if it was that great is the Dixons I've done I've Dixons exists just appliance stores. Anything that you can buy online just went out business pretty quickly didn't it.

00:45:19:17 – 00:45:49:12
Yeah. I mean see in a clothing I remember seeing I and I remember some VHS best British home stores. Yeah. My mum some of your mum would go and you'd be dragged along on a Saturday afternoon. Yeah. Like we got VHS in my mind was like top tier. Like it was like an immense. No. Oh was it. Well I don't know if that's when my mind VHS was like it was a respectable clothing store that.

00:45:49:12 – 00:46:17:16
But, you know, I had a bit of something about it, obviously not enough about it because it's fucking gone out of, business. But. And then the last or someone as mentioned is, Athena night people going there by posters like, they're like, yeah, I've heard of that. I've, you know, I've, there's one in Milton Keynes and you just go in there just that these massive like A3 or A2 racks, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:17:16 – 00:46:50:08
Like in HMV just flipping through them, flipping through them. We had three people mention this one blockbuster videos. They man, it was the best. Yeah. It was safe. Yeah. You know there still exists one in in America somewhere and it's exist as like a museum. Like not much to that era really. And still go and rent videos, VHS DVDs.

00:46:50:10 – 00:47:16:20
You can go there. Rick. What was your memory of blockbuster? How would you what would it what would you do? What would it be? So I would always, it would always be the action films as well. It always be like, like I think at the time, like a Jean-Claude Van Damme, my father's influence, those type of action films that I would kind of mainly go to.

00:47:16:22 – 00:47:41:02
Then it was popcorn and like that where our blockbusters was, it was in, I mean, it was in a place called old Brook, which is a bit bit sketchy. So I didn't really like spending a lot of time there, but I did enjoy getting videos out with the misses as well. But that a lot of people have this.

00:47:41:04 – 00:48:07:05
It feels like almost over-the-top nostalgia for blockbusters. Did you and your family were you, a blockbuster family? Yeah, we would go. We would rent films out all the time. But but mainly on a on a Friday night or Saturday night. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So we would all go round blockbusters to the point where the staff knew us and.

00:48:07:05 – 00:48:25:03
Okay, not like, like the manager would know us and give us a nod and that would have a chat with him and that kind of thing. And so you would walk around the store and you'd look at these boxes and, and, and you'd think I found one. I found a film I want to rent. Commando or a man.

00:48:25:03 – 00:48:44:24
Yeah, yeah. Okay. Something like Freddo. Yeah. Just hoping that the boxes behind them, because there's the box was behind him. It meant they sock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, some fucker has got it. I'm watching my film. I want it to work. But the really the thing that game changer for us when we were kids is that you could rent video games from there.

00:48:44:24 – 00:49:11:17
So we had a place, we had a megadrive computer. You know, so you can make a drive or. Yeah. And all like, so we at times there was like five of us kids staying over, so we would rent two games consistently. Tecmo World Cup. Yeah. And European club soccer. We last game, we rented those games enough to buy them ten times over.

00:49:11:19 – 00:49:33:18
But it was the I think we realized it was the thing we did. So that nostalgic sort of we didn't want to buy the games. We wanted to rent them from blockbuster. And you realize that if you wanted them for another night, you get an extra day fee. It's fine. Yeah, that's got paid. Right. They take it.

00:49:33:19 – 00:49:59:05
I came back, some of someone actually put oh, they've put, blockbuster and they put and also tried to sneak a look at the blue videos when mum wasn't looking there, was it? They did have blue videos in, but did they know? Not in blockbuster. Well, deny that this is a movie talking. I don't know, it might be, that red Red cheese diaries.

00:49:59:05 – 00:50:24:07
That's something other or maybe a bit of cleavage on show. Not so not like you. No no no no no no no no no I don't think. No not no hardcore porn. People have put that the, things that don't exist anymore that they do miss smoking sections in pubs, restaurants, busses and planes. I mean, like, planes.

00:50:24:07 – 00:50:46:06
I don't ever remember that. They still is. Weirdly, they've still got no, no smoking signs on planes. Like, it's like, surely everyone knows by now. No, they don't, because people got. But I've been in a plane toilet and I can distinctly smell vape unless someone's at a turn out. It smells of blueberry. I don't think that's happened.

00:50:46:08 – 00:51:09:11
I, I, I would, I thought at the time, I remember living in a time where you could smoke and drink in pubs, and then even the smoking ban coming in. I think it's is a brilliant thing I do now. I didn't at the time. At the time I was fucking like every weekend I'd go out forced to go out in the cold to have a cigaret.

00:51:09:13 – 00:51:33:19
And I was livid, utterly livid. I could not understand what was going on. Change, I hate change. We all hate change. Something, right? Cancer. More direct. That's the thing. Yeah, I know, but I oh it was you remember as well, sitting there with no Wetherspoons and like it was like a line where people were smoking and people were like the nonsmoking.

00:51:33:19 – 00:51:51:22
And it's just like you're just in the same place. It's fucking mental how this was even a thing, you know? I mean, not and smoking on busses. You used to have smoke on the top deck of busses, but I think. But there are no so I, I like even though that's come in, I think that's that's definitely a thumbs up.

00:51:51:23 – 00:52:13:10
Yeah for sure. Red, red phone boxes. I mean the road, the there's still about but I have a we've just moved to a new village. We will be moving to a new village and they they've got a red phone box there. But it's just a but I just planted it, so it's, it's not a phone. And we'll it's just become like a big garden.

00:52:13:12 – 00:52:34:17
I quite like that easily. I mean, phone boxes, they just turn to fucking. They just stand there pasted. I a fucking grim places. Yeah, yeah, it was just. It was a grim one. You know, mum used to use phone cards so you'd buy a phone book. Phone call. Yeah. I was going to mention that. Yeah. And then we collect them because they've all different designs on them.

00:52:34:17 – 00:52:55:13
Yeah. Yeah. Something. Yeah. My mum used to go and ring my dad, so we didn't have a home phone when we were little. We got one in them, but I remember my mum and me walking to the phone box to ring my granddad in Birmingham. Yeah, my old mine used to have loads of those cards. I was fucking.

00:52:55:17 – 00:53:14:17
It was so weird time. Yeah. Right before we get run over, I am going to read just list out the thing that people have a nostalgia for and things that don't exist. I don't know whether they want them brought back or not, but, National Service, I don't ever I obviously we didn't live for a time of national service and thank.

00:53:14:17 – 00:53:38:07
Fuck that that hasn't happened to us yet. Milk deliveries and glass bottles. Yeah. We were never a family of that. We we always go to a shop and buy, a carton. I remember my step brother was a, did a milk delivery driver milk float for a bit? Really? Yeah. Oh, my. I'd have to get up at fucking insane time.

00:53:38:07 – 00:54:01:19
He did, but he would Nick playing football stickers so he'd nickel and bring him home to us. And we just, because we don't do the the Premier League sticker book back then. Yeah, but why? Why, well, why would he get a Panini sticker? It is. He would deliver milk. Harvey's milk float would be like delivering the magazines to the shops and and, I don't know, mate.

00:54:01:20 – 00:54:24:10
And it wasn't just milk. It was all. It was food. Right? Was. Yeah, bread. And it was eggs and it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, because I, I don't know how he got them, but you just come back with a box of panini football stickers. So fill the book. Yeah. As it turns out, it wasn't as fun as just buying the of slowly filling him up by buying stickers all the.

00:54:24:12 – 00:54:48:20
Is it? Yeah. The gaming system in there. Iron brew, chewy sweets. I don't really remember those, chicken chicken legend from McDonald's now that I remember, it just doesn't say the worst sweets. The worst sweets back in the day was fruit salad. Cherries, mate, I love the ice. Oh, dear. Blackjacks and fruit salad. Yeah, they might go right.

00:54:48:21 – 00:55:16:11
Jack. Licorice. Yeah, yeah, I never understood licorice was a licorice. Was was a it was a hangover from a time where people had nothing. Yeah. But when licorice was a cherry blossom. When times were dire. Yeah, yeah, I quite liked it. Quite liked it. Sunny delight. I think you can still get Sunny Delight, but, Yeah. Opal fruits are now Starburst chew.

00:55:16:11 – 00:55:38:09
It's. Yeah. Hubba Bubba Panda pop drinks. Now we're talking about soda streams earlier. It tastes like panda pop because Panda pop had that syrupy full sugar. Like, you know, when you're when you've got an ice pop and you get to the end and it's all the lovely juice at the end of the ice pop. Yeah, not really strong knock out.

00:55:38:11 – 00:55:58:11
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I like that someone's put, 99 pea flakes that were actually £0.99. Yeah, I missed that. I went to fucking ice cream van a couple of weeks back. Could not believe the price of it. It was just like, mate, it's. How can you put £0.99 flake when you're charging me that 4.50 pound? Yeah, something like that.

00:55:58:12 – 00:56:18:22
And it's not making me think this ice cream is shit. It's shit. It's always been shit like that. Mr. and Mr. Whippy. Yeah, ice cream generally is shit in my opinion. Yeah. I like anyone who sits down for a nice bit of ice cream. No one does that. And if you if you're eating ice cream as an adult, you need your bread bubbled.

00:56:18:24 – 00:56:36:07
Yeah. My, my children enjoy ice cream course, but it's not it's not something that I would go out and and buy and mate when you fucking get ice cream out the freezer, it's rock hard and not trying to scoop that shit out. Fuck that. Do you know Margaret Thatcher was involved in the invention of the Mr. Whippy?

00:56:36:09 – 00:57:01:14
I think it might even be attributed to her because she was a biochemist or something like that. And that's how that came, right? I, I'm going to read out the rest. And you're going to bring that up. Bring that up, Jamie. Non-smart. Phones. Yeah, I get that. When you just used to play snake. Yeah, that was that blue lock again, with the technology.

00:57:01:20 – 00:57:24:01
Bluetooth ING songs are noisy images. Teammates. I remember just sitting in public places and just finding people's Bluetooth name and just messaging random people. Right. Pair of tits. And then you'd see their head pop up like they had just sent me. That is me. My feet. It's gonna be brilliant. Do you remember this might be on their ringtones.

00:57:24:03 – 00:57:40:11
Yes. Yeah, yeah, it was your ring. So people don't know you would. You would pay yet. How did you end up paying for ringtones? I can't remember the phone I did. You phone up a number and they sent you the the ring. Yeah. It was, it was like, I don't know, it was like a text ring. Yeah.

00:57:40:11 – 00:58:01:15
So you would text 6156 and it would give you your code for that. So your song for 1.49 pound and it would be like, yeah, you'd get about 30s of the song is fucking that it rubbery ready. But who were you if you didn't have a proper ringtone. What I mean, what do you with my Nokia phone, I just had the simple Charleston.

00:58:01:17 – 00:58:27:14
Oh I, I Bumblebee. Oh, okay. Bumblebee. Yeah. Charleston. I like Charleston is a Panama City banger. Yeah, yeah. I wasn't silly enough to pay money. Well, city enough or could afford to pay 2 pound for a fucking ringtone, but, dial up internet, huge TVs, you know, the big fucking. They like that way now instead of flat screen.

00:58:27:14 – 00:58:55:04
Yes, I remember, is that what they call it? CRT? Yeah. Trying to pick one of those up. Fucking absolutely ridiculous. Cassette Walkmans, VHS. Yeah. There's, there's a lot of stuff. Their channels shutting down for the night. That was that's when you know, when it's time to get a bed. I miss that I, I know for the girl with the, what you call it, she was, was those awful easel they called an easel.

00:58:55:06 – 00:59:19:01
Easel? Yeah. Yeah, I'm like a puppet. Yeah. And she was trying naughts and crosses or the puppet. What? Why was that? Why do they even play for so long? If people. People. It was it channel four. Was it BBC? Channel four? Right. If you're listening to this, you Americans won't know about this. They won't know by, typing on your phone.

00:59:19:03 – 00:59:54:03
The channel four. Yeah. Channel four. Channel four. Night time holding screen. Screen. Go. Images. I mean, it'd be nice. Yeah. Like I've got it. Yeah, yeah. It's so weird typing test card. Don't we have to do channel four nights? Test card? Well, oh. Is that what it was for? The test card? It's a BBC as a BBC, not channel four BBC test card F with some.

00:59:54:03 – 01:00:18:22
We had to stare a lot at stupid kids C decades back, TV channels would shut down for the night. Yes. No, 24 hours. Running TV before circa 2001, the BBC, in his infinite wisdom, would get tired and head off to bed. But if you turned your TV on, you were greeted with with the screen of crackling static and you had to stare at a weird image y.

01:00:18:24 – 01:00:42:15
And the image, as we ever describe is is puppet a go a blackboard? And they're playing. They're playing. Naughts. And crosses. Although it's nostalgic factor for many Brits, for us, we can't say we do like the thing. It's terribly written, but what? What the hell is it actually saying? We see a little girl staring and smirking at something off camera while she completes what appears to be a game of, naughts and crosses.

01:00:42:18 – 01:01:04:02
Next, there is some sort of grinning green monstrosity. This is as weird as it sounds as well. We can only assume it's sentient and competing with the little girl in the aforementioned game. BBC why did you put a picture of some daffodils or something? Why play young minds with such horrible, horrifying possibilities? Anybody did some research and it first appeared in the 2nd of July, 1967.

01:01:04:02 – 01:01:28:01
The little girl is Caroline Hersey, born in 58. She's now a costume designer, but was eight at the time of the picture. Due to decades of exposure on TV. She thought she was the most seen face on British television history. That's meant to. But it's certainly all the same tradition, we guess. This is certainly odd that the same test card was used for so long.

01:01:28:03 – 01:01:48:20
There's no explanation. Tradition is our best guess, but Brits get wrapped up with long standing things. Instead of using a nice image above the clock, we have to stare at a little girl with a bizarre thought. That is, That is fucking odd. I hadn't thought about that in ages. No, and I, I know when someone put that in, I was like, that's a that's a really fucking weird one.

01:01:48:22 – 01:02:16:09
The last one I'll choose is, that people it doesn't exist anymore. The fear of quicksand. I mean, as a kid, terrified. Like it was everywhere. I'd go into the word don't go anywhere. Quicksand or lava. And that's the end. It wasn't helped by Neverending Story. Well, the film, the never ending story, where they have to. If I have to say no.

01:02:16:09 – 01:02:35:20
Yeah, yeah, yeah. When the the these horse goes into the quicksand goes and he can't get it out and it goes beneath the quicksand, I can't remember that. That's the most harrowing scene. And it's, it's widely regarded as the most difficult scene in child movie to watch in the history of filmmaking. Oh, no, it was, Watership Down.

01:02:35:22 – 01:03:02:04
Yeah, that's pretty good all the time. I would argue that isn't child's program. I would argue that that is a cartoon for adults. No. Kids support stuff like heroin. It was for kids. Horrible, horrible. Do you, there is quicksand near us in oh, state. Would you? I've seen it. And it doesn't look like Sandy's water. It's water full of sand.

01:03:02:06 – 01:03:27:03
That's interesting, because the person who sent this in is from round your way. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. You know, you do. You think so? So here we go. He'll be listening. So if you fancy seeing a bit of quicksand, mate, go to El Stoke. Would there is a if you enter from the Rose and Crown pub entrance, you will and walk down the track there.

01:03:27:03 – 01:03:46:17
Eventually. Come to a pond, a large pond on the side of that pond on the other side as you approach it there. And I don't know what's happened to them now, but at that time of year there were pools of what only looked like really watery sand and bubbles coming through it. If you went in there, you were in this, like a little sock going in there.

01:03:46:17 – 01:04:10:20
That would be cousins that, that's fucking awful. So I found out about Margaret Thatcher. Oh, yeah. God. Good as it will finish off this Thatcher invent a type of ice cream processors. What else? And ChatGPT said, sort of, but it's overstated. Margaret Thatcher didn't personally invent a type of ice cream. But before a political career, she briefly worked as a research communist chemist for food manufacturers J.

01:04:10:20 – 01:04:31:19
Lyons and Co in the late 40s at Lyons Lyons. The team she was a part of helped develop a process of soft serve ice cream more cheaply. The innovation was essentially about pumping more air into the mix, meaning you needed less dairy fat and could sell it at lower prices. This is this is the same principle of Mr. Whippy ice cream, right?

01:04:31:19 – 01:04:56:21
Okay. It's funny, I've like things spread and they're like, no, no, she invented it. She did it all. I've never heard that in my life. That's how I heard it. And I was like, well, it's weird. I like her. Right. Okay, we are going to go over to something only, you know. But before we do that, the topic for next week, we've actually funnily enough, we've mentioned it on this pod today already.

01:04:56:23 – 01:05:23:07
The royal family. Are you a royalist? Should they still exist? What are the pros and cons of having a royal family? Who are your favorites, least favorites? And is it worth keeping them due to the money that it brings in to the country? If you have any thoughts on that, send it in. Or if you've met any of the Royal family, send it into Lad Anon pod at gmail.com and we'll read them out.

01:05:23:07 – 01:05:48:09
I meant, I met Prince Charles. Fuck off twice. What? When I tell you, I say no, say yes, I say, why don't I know this? You need to tell me more stuff. I haven't thought about it in the 25 years since it happened. Just pop in my head that, okay, there's something only you know is called a can of beef stew.

01:05:48:11 – 01:05:56:20
And you are going to listen to that in a second.

01:05:56:22 – 01:06:04:01
Why? Dumb thing. You know.

01:06:04:03 – 01:06:30:23
The can of beef stew. Six months ago, I ended up at a little house party in outback Western Australia with some close friends of mine. We're still all in our 40s, and we had a great night of drinks, music, stimulants and mushrooms and decided to call it a night at 4 a.m.. The host house was amazing. They didn't have kids, so they'd largely built it by themselves and featured beautiful wooden floors and handcrafted benches and stairs.

01:06:31:00 – 01:06:53:05
I retired to one of the three spare rooms, feeling buzzed but in a fantastic mood. I rarely sleep during these nights, so I had Radiohead cued up on the headphones as I lay down on the bed, ready to bliss out until the sunrise. 20 minutes later, I started to hiccup. No biggie. SIP some more, and we'll be good.

01:06:53:07 – 01:07:23:23
Two minutes, five minutes, 15 minutes passed and I just couldn't stop. The constant hiccuping started to spiral downhill, my stomach started to churn and I began to feel really ill. As a naked sleeper, I was already fully unclothed. There was no time to put anything on, and I walked urgently to the guest toilet down the hall. Everyone was asleep, thank fuck, and I sat down with a thump, sweating on the cold toilet seat.

01:07:24:00 – 01:07:47:16
I'm not sure I've ever felt worse. I've had many huge nights, but the waves of nausea now fully hitting me were next level. I was going to vomit. Or was it going to shit? I had no idea. I just sat there in silent horror. Five minutes pass and I've done neither. The waves of sickness have slightly lessened, and I decide that I need to go back to bed to ride this out.

01:07:47:18 – 01:08:05:06
I stand up from the toilet and then completely pass out. I have no idea how long I was out the side of my face and body is ice cold. From lying on the wooden floor. The sun's not up yet, so it could have been. Couldn't have been long. 10 to 15 minutes at. I guess. My chin is throbbing from where I presume?

01:08:05:06 – 01:08:34:07
I slammed into the floor. I somehow get myself up on all fours and begin a slow crawl back to my bedroom, past the doors to the other guest rooms. After a few meters, I decided I needed to stand up and walk the remaining distance to my room as I lift my torso vertically to get up my bowels, release their contents with a sound like tipping out a can of beef stew in horror.

01:08:34:13 – 01:08:54:21
I look down at the runny but chunky brown mass between my legs and on that beautiful polish floor, for fuck's sake, still feeling like death. I must have stayed in that position for what felt like two minutes, trying not to be sick while smelling the foul stench beneath me. I just couldn't work out in my head how I was going to fix this.

01:08:55:00 – 01:09:13:23
While feeling so ill, I muster up all my strength and finally get up and make it back to the toilet, where I clean myself up. I then grab what's what's of toilet paper. I make 2 or 3 runs back and forth, scooping up my own shit, praying that no one opens the door or comes out to see what I'm doing.

01:09:14:00 – 01:09:36:19
I eventually got it all clean, even finding some disinfectant and making sure the floor was spotless. I finally retreat to my room after much washing of the hands and eventually bail out of the home in the early hours of the morning. And that is something I need. I know, thank Christ, that's what it's all about. Mate, can you imagine that happening?

01:09:36:21 – 01:10:00:20
That is like that? You're worse, not you. Shit. You've shit on their floor. Like everything's coming out of you. It's the middle of the night. You've been fucked up on drink and drugs and it's just. That is, you know, reminds me of. For some reason, I think about this story quite a lot, Rick, is you need in your toilet, in your mate's house.

01:10:00:22 – 01:10:23:17
Yeah. And having to go downstairs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And within earshot of. Yeah. With his mum who was visiting for the weekend, his wife and children. Well, Dan exited your ass. Yeah, exactly. And the stench was terrible. Absolutely. So why why did they send me to the downstairs? I mean, probably that I don't know if they knew that I needed a poo.

01:10:23:19 – 01:10:47:09
Maybe they just thought I needed a quick way. That would be that. But I'm like, yeah, so I've got this thing right, like, when you're designing a house, don't put a toilet wrapper right by a front room. Well, the toilet for me has to be about as far away from communal areas as possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like when?

01:10:47:11 – 01:11:19:01
And this is the thing, right, Ricky? What do you do when you go to a hotel room with your missus? Yeah. Do you use if you need a pump, do you use the toilet in the room. Or would you go downstairs to the reception and use the community all the I would I mean, like, it depends how badly I need to do it, but I would try and go for one and try and find a different toilet because you want a hotel room BMC you don't really want, the stench of shit throughout your room.

01:11:19:01 – 01:11:46:03
Yeah. Why would not that so I think that people out there think obviously I'm weird for that. I'd think it's common courtesy not to use the toilet in this room. And the whole room's going to be permeated with your shit turd. Yeah, like be a decent human being. Just go downstairs. That's not sexy, is it? If you're like, if you're if you're in that hotel room and you're, you know, you're way with the missus, so you.

01:11:46:05 – 01:12:06:19
Something might be happening. Yeah, but you don't want the stench of stale turd. I'm going to put in for the later and ask you how many of you poo in if you're in a hotel room, how many would you poo in the in the toilet? Would you go downstairs and one away from me? I'm gonna. I feel I'll be attacked.

01:12:06:21 – 01:12:30:06
I think the general mood. I know a couple of them. Alex would go in. You're so stuck up and. But it's. What? Yeah. I mean, like, I wouldn't be scared to do that. It's not like I'm doing it because of. If you need to go, you need to go. Yeah. I just wanted to see me poo or hear me poo or smell my poo, but if,

01:12:30:08 – 01:12:55:07
Yeah, if I'm more often than not, I find a way in which the missus. But I'm there for an occasion, wedding or something like that. So you want it to kind of be more conducive to, Well, hopefully happen later. You don't want to skip. Yeah. Don't be scared. And up the toilet. Yeah. Let's not let us know.

01:12:55:07 – 01:13:12:24
So the topic for next week is the Royal Family. If you've got anything on there, any stories or anything you want to add, send it in to lads anon at gmail.com. And until then we will see you on Monday or for patrons Thursday. All right.

00:00:00:15 – 00:00:21:04
Should hit record. So, you little brown bum. Well, so what you are is that the tan lines and, like, to be honest, you look just look a bit browner than you normally look. Brown. That's disappointing, is it? Yeah. I thought it was only white people that are interested in getting tans. May I fucking slather myself in that?

00:00:21:06 – 00:00:42:00
Like vegetable oil? I want to cook. But you already have lovely color. Yeah, I want more. I want to go. I want to go. I want it to be that people are. Oh, good. You've been on all day. Does anyone say that? Yeah. They do it for a fake day. My dad loves it as well. Let's hope he's getting old.

00:00:42:00 – 00:01:05:17
But there was a time where he would look. He could have been your dad. He that. Yeah, he'd got that brown. He reminds me of, you know, Ray Winston. Sexy beast. Yeah. In the, Spanish sun. Just like, you know, I suck, you know? Fuck. You know? Fuck. You know? Absolutely love it, man. Back from all. They didn't.

00:01:05:19 – 00:01:30:24
Yeah. Back from holiday. My back from holiday came back Tuesday and it was free and fly it. Yeah. Well, I talk about, well, money saving thing or what? You choose freedom. Well, what I did was I flew back Tuesday morning. 12:40 in the morning. So I landed at, like, 3 a.m. and then got home at 4 a.m..

00:01:31:01 – 00:01:52:00
So the main reason for that is on the Monday you get a clear run of Monday. You still get all of Monday out in Spain. Yeah. And you can do your package and you can still do a bit of sunbathing. You can still go to the pool and stuff like that, and then lock the villa up at night and then drive to the airport, dash the car and then on neutral.

00:01:52:02 – 00:02:14:14
I realized that I've been doing that, so I get all of Monday. But then also equally remembering I'm terrified of flying, but terrified of flying at night is even worse than it was. And I'm like, but yeah, I just a stupid. And I know it's stupid. How can they, you're flying at night? How can you not see?

00:02:14:14 – 00:02:37:11
Yeah, I can think. You can't see each other. They can see each other, but can and, can I, can they? And the thing is, thing is as well, on the Saturday, my cousin was out for his two weeks summer holiday, my cousin Ryan, and he was staying in central Tribeca. And so I met him for the footie on the Saturday.

00:02:37:13 – 00:03:06:12
And after the nice eight straight in there, he was like, you never guess what? And I thought, well, he said something. I put something up on our flight and I say, not now, not now. I'm flying a Monday. Yeah. And he was like, when they got to Alicante, the plane landed. Touchdown ties to tarmac for 10s and took off again.

00:03:06:14 – 00:03:25:20
That's not you don't want that. Like you don't want that. And then they say over the name of it, it's. Well, yeah. Go on. The botched landing. Something like that. A bulk landing or what's it called, a bulk bulk landing. Is that what is. Apparently I didn't have. Did you know that I've been on one? Oh, I've.

00:03:25:20 – 00:03:47:21
Yeah, yeah. After five days in Amsterdam, I was fucking in a terrible way. And it was me, the wife, and we were sitting next to these lads had also been out there for that, but they are less decorum than us. And, we landed a I think it might have been Gatwick and then we're on hit the tarmac and then not.

00:03:47:23 – 00:04:16:05
We got back up and then we had to circle Gatwick for about 45 minutes waiting for us. Oh my God. Waiting for a slot to get back down. It was horrible. Yeah. And I spoke to my cousin and I think there was a bit of the, there may have been miscommunication in the panic of it and stuff. And the issue, it was saying that they couldn't speak to the pilots in the cockpit to understand what was going on, because they were busy.

00:04:16:07 – 00:04:35:23
And then you're not right. That's why they say, no, that's that's not what I want to hear. Well, like I say one little thing. Sorry, we've have to go around. These things happen. It more common than you think. Don't worry. Yeah. They were too busy to let 200 people stop shitting themselves. Exactly. Everyone keep your seatbelts on. No one.

00:04:36:04 – 00:04:57:21
No one. Get up out your seat. And it's like, what is going on? What the hell is going on? And then they think they heard electrical fault and something else. And something else. What do you mean they heard from who? From the estimate. What they're whispering. Yeah. I don't know what was happening, but they heard an electrical fault.

00:04:58:02 – 00:05:20:09
So obviously their minds racing, and they're like, fuck me. This is like, is this air in here again? Yeah. This is, you know, like, something's happening. But I messaged Ben obviously straight away and I was like, mate, this is happen here. Here's the wording that I've heard. And he said, electric fault, an engine failure that doesn't really go.

00:05:20:10 – 00:05:46:08
They may have misheard, but what's happened is that the tailwinds he always blames on tailwinds. Everything everybody thinks tailwinds everything. Oh yeah. Planes going upside down. Yeah. Oh my. My wife shagging the next door neighbor. Tailwind. Yeah. Tailwind. Fucking I've enough for your tailwind Ben. Stick your fucking tailwinds up your on. But yeah that's as well. But it's constantly sticking tailwinds up his ass.

00:05:46:10 – 00:06:10:07
And he said that Alicante is a known kind of short landing zone. So it's probably fallen short of where it's supposed to land. And then it just jumped back up in airspace again. And then ten minutes later it did the circling and it landed. But again, that's not what I wanted to hear. So when it was my turn to fly, I was like, fucking, it's nighttime.

00:06:10:09 – 00:06:30:18
I've got booked landing on my head. I've got tailwinds there. And then molecules were saying one of our best mates was in on holiday in Cornwall, and the best mate was saying to my daughter, about this,

00:06:30:20 – 00:06:51:14
Not tornadoes. What is it? You know, in, the Atlantic hurricane and hurricane. Yeah, that was actually it was coming across I think it was coming across. It was. Yeah. But it was more it was like a thousand miles west. But there was there was something in the Atlantic. Yeah. I didn't know that. And I didn't want to know, I couldn't I couldn't bring myself to research where this fucking thing was.

00:06:51:16 – 00:07:13:23
But they said it was extra blowing in Cornwall. And I was like, God, we're going to have to fly through that. We've got to get in there. And I was like, okay, right, maybe it's just past. Maybe it's just bullshit. Your mind's racing. Yeah. We take off from Alicante, a seatbelt signs on, we do that kind of thing where you bank left because you're going on your new trajectory.

00:07:13:24 – 00:07:35:14
Yeah, I've got my headphones on. I'm not fucking on the seatbelt sign. Still on. We're not. We've not 15, 20 minutes in the air now, this should have done the thing. You can now go to the toilet and fucking it about. Yeah. And, I put my phone out and I said them. We left the seatbelt signs on because we're going to be flying directly into turbulence.

00:07:35:16 – 00:07:58:03
For for a short while, I lost a slot. Yes. Okay. Can you not can you can you just not fly into turbulence? Can you just go a different way? Why do you have to fly directly into the tailwinds? You go, yeah, tailwinds. And then I'm sitting there and I'm, you know, luckily it was more of the vibration of the plane going side to side.

00:07:58:05 – 00:08:15:04
I don't mind now. I can handle like it's the room where you go up and down, but you feel like you're just dropping out of the air that you never had, that I've never. In my time I felt like the plane had dropped to. Oh, I've never experienced that. Really? Yeah. Not. Not like it feels like it's dropped 100ft, but it hasn't kind of thing.

00:08:15:04 – 00:08:32:14
I never had that effect for me. We've had a little bumpy ones remembering when we flew to Genoa. Yeah, we kind of like we need held hands at one point because we did that hand face. I don't know when I, I never want to sit next to you on a plane, ever. Nice. I know there's nothing you can do to help me on that plane.

00:08:32:16 – 00:08:55:21
I also, I saw this thing on them TikTok of, stress test of the air, the planes, the wings. Oh, yeah. It can bend all over the shop. Then things like they can really kind of almost touch hands at the top of the plane. Really. Maybe not that much, but there is. Yeah. So we're right. The planes on the wings aren't going to fall off.

00:08:55:23 – 00:09:17:06
Yeah, that I mean, that's good I mean, I so at the moment I've done my, more who doesn't I've done with your flight line. Yeah. I'm a flight. What, what, like people that want to join the mile high club by, like. Well, how can you get relaxed enough to get an erection, perform in a tiny little cubicle?

00:09:17:08 – 00:09:39:12
Zero. And not just. Yeah, it is a terrible idea. And it's like you're going to the toilet and, like, especially, like, easier loads of people are in mock outs, like you want to. You want fucking five different fumes of shit while you're like, no getting kinky now, I don't know. I'll, I'll wait. I'll wait until I, you know, till I don't get it when I'm going.

00:09:39:14 – 00:10:11:21
Yeah. Just get to a bed to wherever I need to. Yeah. Ridiculous. But anyway, I'm back. I've got a renewed sense of, optimism. Yeah. Because there was so much fun, wasn't it? Yeah, it was fucking about. I went that absolute about, never do that to me again. No, no, I've learned my lesson. You learn. You learn these lessons that the internet in Spain, more specifically at my, family, that is, is fucking terrible.

00:10:11:21 – 00:10:38:23
And the hate that doesn't have. Yeah, the heat doesn't help. All of it doesn't help. And next time I've, I probably just won't record or I'll try and do a pre-recording somehow or whatever, but whatever. Yeah. I'm. I'm back. How are you, mate? Yeah. Good. So fine. Everything's fine. Ricky. So I run the jingle. Let's do it.

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The night hazy light. Band of brothers playing tunes. Hi. Is quiet. Midnight waves surfing free till daylight breaks rhythm. Here's different ways. Love of music. Sad. We prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band as I we like to speak. And yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Brothers.

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Oh. Hello, guys. Welcome to good. I'm hungry. Hello, and welcome to lands anonymous is episode 111. I'm Ricky Heath, lab two best mates. One main topic we answer your life dilemmas and confessions. And I'll feature something only you and I. And everything remains anonymous. Always. So sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast. I'm really hungry. Why always 12, seven, eight net.

00:11:31:17 – 00:11:51:23
You know, at lunch. Yeah, I had breakfast at like eight. Yeah, now I'm hungry. Are you hungry? No, I've not had breakfast and I've not had lunch. You don't usually have it. You know, you bring your body, you might not actually be hungry, but your body's going. This is when you usually eat now. So what? What is it doing?

00:11:51:23 – 00:12:15:14
Is it trying to feast on the fat reserves that are there? I mean, hope so, yeah. May, Fuck. You know, if it does, you know, like, I'd lost maybe 6 pounds before I went to Spain. And it wasn't in preparation in Spain. It was just. I've realized that I've put on a bit of timber, actually, a lot of timber.

00:12:15:16 – 00:12:45:16
And it's kind of like, I need to diet and I need to try and, you know, lose weight. You feel better and yeah, be better. And obviously I've gone to Spain and for the past two weeks I've just been eating anything and everything. I don't normally have breakfast. My first meal of the day is 1:00 north of 1:00, and I was having like straight away when I was waking up, having a breakfast and having a lot mid like mid-morning snack at 11, half 11 and going back in again like I want it.

00:12:45:16 – 00:13:00:15
Just why was I doing all of that? Drinking lots of alcohol and, and now I'll come back and I've run up the stairs and I can feel things jiggling. And I'm just like, for fuck's sake, that's what holiday is about, knowing it. Unless you go to Center Parcs when it's not like that, you have to ride a bike everywhere.

00:13:00:17 – 00:13:19:12
I lost about, I reckon, 5 pounds in a weekend. It's in the past and I was drinking and I was eating and doing all kinds of things because there's no called the no way. The only way you can get around is on a bicycle uphills. So yeah. You think assets in a park be relaxing and relaxing. It's an expensive, arduous, stressful experience.

00:13:19:12 – 00:13:40:02
Guys sitting apart. Yeah, I was going to say part of the the reason as well. Like normally you'd be like, oh, I'll get some food. And then you look and it's like £20 for a burger and you're like, you know what, maybe I'm a wait until I get back to the chalet or something. We, we I went, we we took Sammy and Jess and the sun dude.

00:13:40:04 – 00:14:03:21
Oh, yeah, we went to the we went to the what's called the Center Parcs in in Wiltshire. Lonely. Lonely. Yeah. And, obviously Jess is a big fan of this podcast, and we talked about our little adventures down the slide together. Did you, do you take her in the rapids? She went down. Really? I didn't go in, rapid.

00:14:03:24 – 00:14:13:16
I only go on rapids view. You, Hahahahaha! That's fair. Yeah, that is fair. No, I didn't go on the rapids.

00:14:13:18 – 00:14:34:07
You're waiting for me. I get that, and I will be dancing to go in those rapids, because that is what is the plan that we're not going. We are going. Oh, when are we going? I don't know, you said, wasn't it. There was. No, it was we. I said we can go then. And your. The answer was don't demonize go in week beforehand so we don't know what we're doing.

00:14:34:09 – 00:14:51:08
Right okay. That's why we left it. So like we've got like we what. We're just waiting for your answer and not nothing. Come five three weeks has passed and you just haven't bothered. All right, all right. So did you not have enough time when you're sitting on the sun lounger in the sun to just think about the fact that this is the problem that needs solving?

00:14:51:10 – 00:15:12:03
I did not do it. You don't have to do it. It's fun to decide I'm going to do this. Of course I want to. Just when I did, when I don't know when was the day again? It was October. It was the October. I think it was the October half term. That was in October, September, September. Yeah. You can't do October and I can do October.

00:15:12:03 – 00:15:37:00
I can do the Mrs.. Your right. This is this is that this is the truth. Everybody right. Ricky's missus is going to the Woburn, one with her branch for a birthday party for a year. Yeah. Yeah, right. For your birthday party, right? Yeah. Well, I proposed to take you. Yeah. Mrs.. And your children. Which is the key to your children.

00:15:37:02 – 00:15:57:16
Who are we going to enjoy? Set up box way more than you. And they're missing out because you're going inside the box a week before. Think about that. They keep asking me about it as well. Well, they're going to know about it. That's what's going to happen because I've got their numbers and I'm going to message the little one and I'm going, I want to take you to send the parts, but we can't go because your mum is going to week before and she doesn't care.

00:15:57:17 – 00:16:19:00
Yeah, I'm just being a dick. That's what I think you should do. Should I? Yeah. Because you're because she ultimately she just wants to. She just wants the girls to be as happy as they possibly can be. That is her modus operandi. Yeah. So if I cause a bit of pain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So in the happiness.

00:16:19:02 – 00:16:55:20
Yeah yeah yeah yeah. All we can just postpone it to the half term in October. So I always decide let us know. Yeah. Today's topic is do you know what today's topic is. Comedians. Yeah. Well humor. Humor, humor. Yeah. Humor. And this was actually submitted by, one of our patrons, and they were talking about humor and how dark is dark and what you can say and what you can't say.

00:16:55:22 – 00:17:21:10
Just kind of the the state of kind of not really comedians, but like, what's acceptable when, when can you joke about things anymore? And it's like, how, how soon after nine, 11. Are you allowed to joke about it? Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. So I just wanted to, what's your sense of humor? Like, what are you.

00:17:21:12 – 00:17:49:10
Oh, would you say you're a dark guy? I'd say in the past, yeah, when I was a kid. And I thought it was edgy to, like, dark comedy and same dark stuff. Yeah, but as you grow older, it fades, surely, because the extremities of which, of the subjects you're talking about, they can only like, you know, there was a phase where, you know, dead babies were not off limit.

00:17:49:12 – 00:18:15:15
Yeah. And enjoyed not. Yeah. Physical dead babies weren't enjoyed the jokes about them. Like, what goes plop, plop, fizz. Two babies in an acid bath. So, there was there was a time I found that very funny. Yeah. Now I don't find it funny. Oh, yeah. And there was another one as well, I think, it was a Chicago dance.

00:18:15:16 – 00:18:39:06
I was thinking Chicago. The Hennessy favorite. He was the one. What's what's the difference between, like, ten dead babies and a Ferrari? Well, I don't know. I don't have a Ferrari in my garage. Yeah, there was also that one where. What's worse than the pilot? Dead babies. The one at the bottom trying to eat its way out. Okay.

00:18:39:08 – 00:18:43:08
Oh.

00:18:43:10 – 00:19:18:06
That's pretty grim. It is grim. It is grim. I like I don't think I've grown out of that. Really? Like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my my humor is very dark kind of gallows humor. And, if I was to say, like, sometimes I say stuff in our WhatsApp group in, like, lads WhatsApp groups, and I say it, no one kind of does an emoji or a laugh or anything like, you know, when you think you've gone too far.

00:19:18:10 – 00:19:39:17
Yeah. And I'm not fake. And that will stay with me for days. And I'm like, I wasn't really, you know, the whole joke of me saying these things is because, you know, I'm not like that and I'm playing up to that stereotype. I just thought you was like that after 20 years. You're saying you're not like that? No, no, I don't think so.

00:19:39:17 – 00:20:03:20
You you want to make the joke? You want to get the credit for making people laugh? Yeah. You also want people to know that you're not really like that. Yeah, yeah. You don't make the joke then, Rick, whatnot. Yeah, but that's. You are like that. I am like that. Probably. Yeah, yeah you are I am not I think I think like some I everyone's been in that situation.

00:20:03:20 – 00:20:26:08
Go do arrest this do arrest yet and it's worse in groups. So it's far in you know WhatsApp group is fine because everybody knows. Right. And there's nothing any of us could say that could offend another person. I don't think more or less. No. Unless it was like genuine feeling, you know, like whatever might be racism or something like that, you feel then that would.

00:20:26:09 – 00:20:45:24
But generally, you know, you're on safe ground because everybody's on board with the sort of stuff that's going on. And there's this idea that you're you're locked in a secret room that no one can see. And when no one's watching, people behave completely different to when people are watching. Absolutely. Which is why WhatsApp groups were really important, right?

00:20:45:24 – 00:21:10:09
Because it enables people to just be who they want to be without fear of what others might think. Yeah, people also understand when they're in WhatsApp groups that it just stays in WhatsApp. Well, you wouldn't behave this way in public. You wouldn't behave this way online. You wouldn't say these things to people didn't understand. So they're really important because most of the time people are pretending.

00:21:10:11 – 00:21:32:14
Yeah. And and that's what makes sort of cancellation culture so stupid is someone might say like, I don't know, like so, but that was just, I want to bring up who. But it was recently someone I know who had a bit of pylon happen to him because of anti Islamic stuff that he'd said on on what's so.

00:21:32:16 – 00:22:07:03
No sorry on, on on Twitter when he, when he was saying that there was, he was responding to it was when Andrew Rigby had his head chopped off. Right. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was chopped off. Yeah. Yeah. Well, was certainly, you knifed so the next slash the terrible. Right. And he was there was an article that came out that said that this wasn't a, this wasn't necessarily a Islamic related, like a muslim violence, a Islamic act of violence.

00:22:07:05 – 00:22:27:11
And he was responding online, a series of tweets saying, how can you not think that this wasn't right? And there was a few other bits. You open the WhatsApp of every single person that's condemning him. You will find something in there. That's probably even worse than what he was saying. He was making a political point, amongst other stuff that was much more, unpalatable.

00:22:27:13 – 00:22:38:00
But like, it's there's just everyone just walking around like a walking hypocrite. Yeah. Apart from my wife, he doesn't engage in any of this sort of stuff.

00:22:38:02 – 00:23:03:11
Really. The women, their WhatsApp group, which I've seen a couple of times, they're not doing the edgy banter, is it? Is it like butterflies and doves flying and rainbows? Well, we had a WhatsApp group called Tits and Cake. Yeah. And we found that they had they found out about that WhatsApp weave and there was a WhatsApp group called Cox and Kebabs.

00:23:03:13 – 00:23:33:21
Right. Good. That was their one. But that wasn't actually my wife. That was that was connected to other people. But I like to think that they do, but I'm not sure my missus and I might do with it with your, with your style of banter and your, what you've put in the WhatsApp group. Do you have you ever expose your messages to this stuff that you that made you laugh or that is really close to the bone, the gray area?

00:23:33:21 – 00:24:01:24
And it's a bit like if I said this out loud, what would my wife. Yeah, there's tons of stuff in there that she it'd be difficult to explain. And, you know, in the WhatsApp group, there was so many things like they're like the storylines are built up through like for example, we've talked about Kyle quite a lot in recent podcasts, but, if you just read what Kyle wrote, you think this guy's also why are you friends of him?

00:24:02:01 – 00:24:23:23
But if you know Karl, you know that this all part of Karl's character as the extended version of himself. And actually, when you meet him in real life and you speak to him, he's just genuinely a really courteous, lovely person. Yeah. Who just finds this stuff funny. And so I think that. Would it be a tricky explanation? Something like that.

00:24:24:00 – 00:24:50:02
So yeah. But the good case in putting here is remember when we first started fighting cock, we had the 30% telegram group? Yeah. When someone new came into that group, they had to be shown the drill video. Now, the drill video was a man living in pain, having a drill inserted down in and out of his. What do you call it?

00:24:50:04 – 00:25:14:04
Urethra. Yeah. How awful. He was going to say. No, I knew it. You can. Yeah. But you love that because I heard I heard well, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, they put it up and down that. Yeah. And then that's it. I know I'm not like, these are people that are signing up for the fight and called patron.

00:25:14:06 – 00:25:34:17
And they've joined this group, which they assume is going to be a talk chat about Tottenham Hotspur. But the first thing I see is a drill going into a penis, you know, like the rule of the, the all the people. By this rule, if you can't handle the drill video, then well, you shouldn't be here. It's just trying to survive it.

00:25:34:17 – 00:26:05:24
Boys, help me out. So my missus saw that and she wasn't appalled by it, which shocked me. Oh, she what she saw that day. She is odd, but she wasn't like, you're weird, right? Because I say stuff to my Mrs.. Like, stuff that I know I shouldn't say. Well, she knows me. So, you know, just playing up to stereotypes and stuff like that.

00:26:06:01 – 00:26:17:14
What of stereotypes? All of them. All the stereotype. Like a lot. It's a lot. I mean, I would probably get myself canceled if I would, you know, just.

00:26:17:16 – 00:26:40:03
Like, explain to me, Ricky, show me. I don't know if it's like, you've never done this about me. I'm surprised. No. So you're you're you're a fucking liar, for starters. So I know someone. I know someone I won't, but. Yeah, but when they saying, do you want to go for a Chinese, they'll do a Chinese accent. Oh, is that all right?

00:26:40:05 – 00:26:50:05
I mean, I see this is what I wanted to. This is a great thing to discuss, right? What? So. Right when no one's listing.

00:26:50:07 – 00:27:12:12
It's like if a tree falls, if it's true, if it's racist. Between you and the mate is Eredivisie. But it's true. It's true. Like, if you're in the car and no one's around you and you're rapping along to DMX, is it okay to say the N-word in that moment? Right. What's your answer? I mean, I, got I probably the N-word for me.

00:27:12:12 – 00:27:33:09
Yeah, he's one of those ones that I always said around. There's no way when you're rapping along to DMX on your own. On my own now, you will not say the N-word in that moment. No, no no no. Me you, No no no no me. Hang on. I'm not allowed to enjoy the song. I get it around people.

00:27:33:09 – 00:27:50:24
I wouldn't say it around people. I wouldn't even start rapping around people and, like, well, I had this conversation with John Bass on his podcast, Notorious Pod, and we were talking about whether or not it's all right for white people or any of any race to say the N-word while rapping along to music, obviously, because, yeah, it's about intent, isn't it?

00:27:50:24 – 00:28:20:08
In context. And I was like, well, if you're around other people, firstly, we probably shouldn't be the ones that decide whether or not it's okay or not. Right to to white men. But yeah, but but if you're on your own, there's absolutely no problem. Like no one's hearing you. It's just you. That's true. But if you're in a car and someone can lip read or, you know, I guess, all right, you know, cos you're in a, you're in a cell, you're in a sealed room, right?

00:28:20:10 – 00:28:52:17
A soundproof room. Right? No one can hear you. There's no possible way they can hear you in that moment. Yeah. Is it okay to rap along and use the N-word? For me personally, I wouldn't do that. But if no one else can hear it. No, would I not? No. Would I? Ricky? Deary me. But again, it's the like you're saying about the the accent that you, your friend would put on if they're ordering, a Chinese man.

00:28:52:17 – 00:29:12:09
Not to the Chinese. They wouldn't call up the right order in that accent, but they would do it to you. Yeah. Do you? I won't do it. But, you know, would you like to have a Chinese for dinner? However, just give me an example of what that would sound like. You know, you're trying to get me. You're trying to do the same thing.

00:29:12:11 – 00:29:43:10
They would just mock up a Chinese accent, and we all laugh a little bit, and then. So. So what? I think what I'm trying to, understand not understand here, but what is the punching down and punching up argument. Right. And in the context of are you doing it to laugh at an accent or a culture or play up to a stereotype?

00:29:43:12 – 00:30:17:12
Is that okay? And that's the thing is, like the me in the way of humor, I get if you, doing accents and stuff to to take the piss. But Jen, like a generic stereotype of a certain culture or anything. Yeah. It is deemed as racist, but it's kind of like in the softer side of the context, you know?

00:30:17:12 – 00:30:23:23
I mean, it's not like you,

00:30:24:00 – 00:30:51:09
Tearing down someone's culture or being, corrosive in the way that you're portraying or anything like that. I'm not saying that it's okay to do, but it's one of those bits that I don't know that in humor today that a comedian would going up on stage or anyone doing anything like that, you you probably can't do that. And there are a few comedians that would do that.

00:30:51:09 – 00:31:14:02
Do you know what I mean? I think it's about how good a comedian you are. I think there's some. My favorite comedian, Bill Burr, managed to toe this line brilliantly. Some people say it doesn't toe line me goes over the top. But he he says something and you think in this is borderline racist. But then he brings it round and by the end it isn't that.

00:31:14:04 – 00:31:20:15
But because he's obsessed like an obscenely funny man.

00:31:20:17 – 00:31:42:01
I think you could. If you're very skillful about it, you can you can toe that line if you're willing to. But that's different from, say, Roy Chubby Brown, who's just racist is not funny. Yeah. Like that isn't like Roy Chubby family. The the funny man on earth. Unless you are a racist. Yeah. And I thought he might have cleaned up his act that I don't know.

00:31:42:01 – 00:32:05:16
But the when he was massive, Roy Chubby Brown was like, it was just vile. Shit is crap. And, what was I always get mixed up between. Is it Bernard Manning? Yes, I know, but it doesn't. Bernard Manning who makes steaks is is that Bernard Matthews? I'd say this is what I mean. I get mixed up with saying that both of them are getting it.

00:32:05:16 – 00:32:34:07
Bernard Manning is the comedian, I'm sure. Yes he is. Bernard Matthews is the guy that makes kind of bread crumbs, chicken that you stick in the oven or something. Yeah, yeah. That's it. Yeah. So those types of comedians, right. Again, it's that point of how they're saying stuff and how they're portraying it in the context. It is just mean and being horrible and being racist.

00:32:34:07 – 00:33:22:00
And that was the joke back then because he was a flexible what the way a lot of people viewed these issues. That's right. And now you get to a point in today's society that if you were to base your comedic or any jokes around that some people or a lot of people would find that offensive because it's like a direct attack on these cultures and it isn't a kind of a bill, where there's a story to it and it comes back around, or it's kind of that more higher type of comedic routine where it shows the why you're poking fun and, you know, the pros and cons, whatever it might be.

00:33:22:02 – 00:33:51:12
Now, if people were trying to kind of be like saying those horrible things, you can't say anything anymore. Fucking snowflakes everywhere. It's like, no, I like we've moved on as a society, I feel like we have or trying to move on. And there are some things are still up for, like for laughing about with the humorous side to it, like you said about Bill Burr.

00:33:51:12 – 00:34:20:08
But then there are other people that are just horrible and it just isn't funny. You can tell by the acts whether or not they're being horrible or, you know, they're like, can I say, Rachel, your ban Burning Man? Is it? Yeah. But I mean, you know, they were over time and said things that are deeply and reinforced, you know, xenophobic beliefs, I guess.

00:34:20:08 – 00:34:49:18
But my I'm sorry, but you can say a lot of things. Yeah, yeah. If you can only be funny by being really offensive, then you're probably in the wrong game. Yeah. I mean, my, my old man, he he told me he actively went out back in the day or a ticket to go and see Jim Davidson and yeah, he enjoyed it.

00:34:49:20 – 00:35:18:03
Yeah. Because he did. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know much about this character but it was did he do a character called Chalky White. And it was like, a stereotype I think is of of, a black guy maybe of, you know, Caribbean or me, I, I don't really, I don't because I didn't really want to watch it and I didn't really want to find out about it, but he would do this whole routine.

00:35:18:03 – 00:35:37:21
But then he would do a how routine about all the races. My dad said he got into this club and he was with his mates. He sat down. And Jim Davidson is like scanning the room to see where people of ethnic minorities are. And he's like banging them one by one. I'm not dad. How could you even go into that?

00:35:37:21 – 00:35:57:17
Like, why would you even buy a ticket to that? And he said, Jim Davidson then spotted my dad and he was like, right, got a little Indian fella here, let's fucking go ten toes into him. And before he got to like his second or third sentence of going after my dad, the entrance door opens and then in walks a black guy.

00:35:57:24 – 00:36:20:19
And then obviously both barrels were directed that way. And I'm like, dad, I, I can't understand. And he was like, it's funny, Rick. I loved it. And I was like, okay, that's you know, it's just, you know, I mean, I couldn't I still can't get my head around it, I guess, I guess perhaps, I don't know, I can't profess I mean, it's your dad is free to find what every like.

00:36:20:19 – 00:36:49:24
It's funny, you know, there's he it's not for us to tell him that. I think he is. Perhaps there was a societal thing going on there at the time where, you know, in terms of the hierarchal nature of race in Britain during the 70s and 80s, I'm presuming that's when it was. Yeah, there would have been a clear, clear sort of structure that, perhaps is not evident anymore.

00:36:50:01 – 00:37:36:22
That's why Jim Davidson isn't relevant anymore. No. And I think he's well, like with those, like with those types of jokes and stuff like that, that they were saying back then would like, do you think and like even people say now but like defined or think it's, it's dangerous because he, it kind of it reaffirms like those stereotypes or that it's like it makes, it makes it people comfortable saying that stuff and believing it is like, yeah, I remember, I remember T and I, I've said this conversation, I've said this a few times that our friend felonious is black man.

00:37:36:24 – 00:38:10:14
He we were way back when we were meeting. Maybe it must been about I think it's when we went out to Manchester for the awards actually, if I remember rightly. Yeah. And I was maybe saying stuff was a bit closer for someone might do you in WhatsApp group when you're familiar with your mates and he said, he said to me something along the lines of, look, I know you're joking, but you say enough, you become comfortable with it and if no one picks you up on it, then who's there to stop this process from evolving, going on to other people?

00:38:10:16 – 00:38:31:07
So you become to influence other people. So from that moment I was like, yeah, right. That makes it. I can't it wasn't, you know, I'm not about in myself here as a racist. I'm just saying there are things that I said about it, like, you can't normalize these things. And that's what comedy, if it is just blatant racism and people like.

00:38:31:07 – 00:38:59:04
And sure, it loads people that were like it. It normalizes that feeling of ridiculing or looking down on someone because of the color skin, which is a dangerous, dangerous place and, to be in. And we're in this age now where racism seems to be reaffirming itself rampant. Yeah. And I don't think it's any more rampant, actually, Rick, I think it's just people are more comfortable with it now.

00:38:59:04 – 00:39:27:12
Right? Okay. So I think the same people were always felt that way, but they're beginning to be empowered to speak out. And, you know, the movements, the easy, the ease of spread of information now influences people like algorithms are feeding. You know, this created this channel of information that's feeding into the person, you know, about asylum seekers and about hotels and about all this stuff going on, there's no doubt, are issues, things that need to be discussed in a sensible way.

00:39:27:12 – 00:39:56:16
But it's it's creating a real sort of powder keg of it feels like that anyway. Or maybe it was always, but yeah. So normalizing that feeling is, is, is dangerous. Yeah. I mean, that is, that's a great example, by the way. And it is that normalization and, you know, it, it, it you kind of go down this path of woe.

00:39:56:16 – 00:40:17:02
If I don't know, fucking Frankie Boyle said it, then so can I. And it's like, well, there's two different things. There's a lot of different things there, like the context and like he's a comedian and he's doing, an actual bit about it, which involves a whole skit around what he's doing and what Frankie and Frankie Bowes said.

00:40:17:02 – 00:40:49:00
Racist comedy. Now that that was an example, I couldn't I couldn't think of a comedian quick enough without any kind of, okay, I know he's edgy, but he's like a left wing, isn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, actually, well, well, we've spoken about Frankie Boyle. What? Like. And we're talking about things close to the bone, and we're talking about things like, it takes a lot for me to be like, oh, God, that's that's horrendous.

00:40:49:00 – 00:41:09:24
Like, I don't know if, you know, you know, when you're kind of like, should I laugh at that? Or is that that's gone too far? Now, we do have a clip of, a Frankie Boyle joke that most people that, you know in the UK will understand that. So if you could, play that clip and tell me what you think.

00:41:09:24 – 00:41:14:15
Five. Okay.

00:41:14:17 – 00:41:24:22
Currently, Jordan and Peter Andre are fighting each other over custody of Harvey. Well, eventually one of them will lose. You have to keep him.

00:41:24:24 – 00:41:37:00
I have a theory that Jordan married a cage fighter because she needed someone strong enough to stop Harvey from fucking on.

00:41:37:02 – 00:41:54:18
I, I thought the first part of that joke was very funny. Yeah. Having to keep Harvey, obviously, because he's got special needs and that would be a bird. And then laughing at that is edgy and taps into something that was funny. That's the thing about.

00:41:54:20 – 00:42:18:19
It is marriage in a cage fight. It's so someone can stop Harvey from fucking there is. That's pretty. That was that made me go. Ooh, but isn't that also a part of comedy pushing the envelope? Yeah. Is that too far? Right. Do you think so for me at that time. So this is when there was quite a lot of spotlight on baby Katie Price.

00:42:18:21 – 00:42:46:21
And she had this child who has got, a lot of disabilities with Dwight Yorke, the football player. He didn't want to know. I don't know whether it's because of the, you know, the child had disabilities or it was Katie Price, whatever the situation was. But it was like the joke. The part of it is about like a disabled child and who is quite well known within the media as punching down.

00:42:46:23 – 00:43:08:11
Yeah. And I was like, fuck, I was not. Even for me, who laughs at most things? Even that I had a inhalation of like it was a fuck that was like, oh my God. I mean, what are they doing as comedians is to seek some sort of reaction? Not. And generally, if you're laughing, that's the best kind.

00:43:08:11 – 00:43:29:02
But to just go, yeah, I think he had a, he had a, it was his thing thingy stick at the time. Thank bow to be edgy like Jim Jefferies as well as an Australian comedy comedian. Yeah he was yeah he was pretty on on on a knife. It really it depends on how offensive and how funny you found it, but.

00:43:29:04 – 00:43:40:00
My issue here, Rick, is there is a line, but.

00:43:40:02 – 00:44:12:03
You it's not a bar. You should be allowed to offend people in pursuit of comedy, in my opinion. We don't want a world where you can't say stuff because some sections of society will be offended by it if it's problematic. And I appreciate that might sound contradictory to what we've just been talking about. If it's problematic to the point where it is feeding into a political sector, like if you're a comedian Jim Davidson, who feeds into a far right sort of I don't even want to say reform.

00:44:12:03 – 00:44:33:13
I mean further, further right than that and that and that's your crowd and that's your state. And that is a problem. But if you're a comedian who's just wants to say something funny, but is someone out there who might get offended for it, then I'm sorry you have to be offended by it, because the right to be offensive is important.

00:44:33:15 – 00:44:41:02
So you can't. So. But this is the point. We can't say anything. This is for someone to be offended. You have to be.

00:44:41:04 – 00:45:07:07
It's fine if someone and it's it should be encouraged that people, for example, can make jokes about Islam or can make jokes about Christianity without fear of reprisal cancellation. Yeah, in our culture, where free speech is supposed to be important, yeah, yeah, yeah. But if your whole thing is about the destroying to destroy someone or something because of their race and using comedy to do it, that's a different thing altogether.

00:45:07:09 – 00:45:30:01
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Totally agree. And especially like, if you're that your shtick is, as a comedian, doing the single thing about homophobia and that's all you kind of do, then you are, you know, systematically going out to, to gun those people down. Which brings me on to another clip that I thought we would talk about the Ricky Gervais script.

00:45:30:03 – 00:45:58:13
And he he's got into a lot of trouble over this one, this specific one. And now he kind of he, he talks about, do you know what? Just if he just, play the clip and then, we'll, chat about them. Which one was this? So it's the Ricky Gervais, this one punching down. Yeah.

00:45:58:15 – 00:46:10:15
Women. No. Women. I mean, the old fashioned ones. Yeah, they old fashioned women. Oh, you know, the ones with wombs.

00:46:10:17 – 00:46:31:24
Those fucking dinosaurs. You know, I love the New wave. I know the new. I mean, they're great. You know, the new ones we've been seeing lately were the ones with beards and cocks. They're as good as. They're as good as gold. I love em now. It's the old fashioned way there and now the old fashioned way. Oh, they want to use a toilet.

00:46:31:24 – 00:46:39:15
Why shouldn't they use your toilets for ladies? They all ladies look at their pronouns.

00:46:39:17 – 00:46:54:04
What about this person? Isn't a lady well, his penis. Her penis, you fucking fagot.

00:46:54:06 – 00:47:00:20
Yeah. So, I mean, how did you feel about that one?

00:47:00:22 – 00:47:10:22
Well, is Ricky Gervais a comedian? Yes, he is. All right.

00:47:10:24 – 00:47:41:11
I think in this instance, he has a point to make. And he's using comedy to make it is a political point. It's so hard to have these conversations about country because I'm just thinking about what I've just said. But yeah, he believes that something is wrong with the way they're approaching a particular subject. So in this instance, I mean, I think we've talked about this before, but.

00:47:41:13 – 00:48:06:15
It's funny because it's almost ridiculous because the reality is and grammatically and biologically, they can only have two sexes. Right? But it's a different conversation about identity politics. And so it's a very difficult thing which just ask me to talk about it. Yes. So, what I will say is so that he got a lot of blowback about his punching down in the trans community, and he shouldn't be doing that.

00:48:06:15 – 00:48:29:15
And there was a lot of outcry as punch. Is it punching down the because of how strong the identity politics movement is? You can you can have you canceled like that or less. So these days it seems. But the one point and said that everyone was terrified of talking about, being accused of being transphobic, that to me is quite a powerful community.

00:48:29:17 – 00:48:56:05
I don't think that's all I said. So I think the, the kind of, the narrative a, a white man with immense power and money punching down on a community that is obviously under the microscope a lot at the moment. And it is a, you know, political hot potato. And it's just an easy, easy win to to make that kind of joke.

00:48:56:07 – 00:49:17:02
What was it? Was his color genuinely brought into this? Sorry. You call him a white powerful man. What what does his color have to do? Anything. Well, it's you know, that's the a white man is generally like the top of the, Is it patriarchy? Is that is that the right word? And I think, yeah. So you're in the most privileged position, that kind of thing.

00:49:17:04 – 00:49:44:01
Yeah, completely. Now there is another clip. We're not going to play it, but I'm just going to kind of, just talk about where he says about, yeah, he did make that joke and it's fine. But what he also says is he's about equality. He makes jokes about Africans famine, about, you know, homophobia. He does anyone and everything.

00:49:44:04 – 00:50:06:13
He will pretend to be on the left side to make a joke about the right. He'll be he'll make a joke about being on the right side to make a joke about on the left, as long as it makes it funny and everyone gets it. So it's, although it is like, you know, a very contentious thing to talk about at the moment for me.

00:50:06:13 – 00:50:31:01
Like, he does go after anyone and everyone. So it's although, like you were saying, like obviously the, you know, the trans community, outraged about it. But it for me, it's like I laugh all the different other jokes that go on. But then if there was a racist joke and I'm like, oh, you can't say that.

00:50:31:01 – 00:50:49:16
It's like, well, you Rick, you you've just laughed at all these other jokes. And because it's kind of it's on you, you're like, oh, you can't say that. But it's like like you're saying about offense, like you, if you're going to sit down and watch comedian, they are going to make jokes that you're going to laugh at because you are laughing at stereotypes.

00:50:49:16 – 00:51:06:03
And then there is going to be one where the gun turns around on you and you just kind of like, can you go get off your seat and say, oh, that's that's disgusting. It's like, well, now it's all part of the principle that there would be groups of people, regardless of these sort of things, that will find it offensive.

00:51:06:03 – 00:51:32:20
And if he's particularly attacking the trans community, then obviously there's going to be uproar there. You remember, this is compiled on the fact that there's been horrendous things done to trans people. Yeah. And so it's almost like they've got to a point now that they have to fight against these things because they they think it reinforces, it reinforces the hatred towards trans people.

00:51:32:22 – 00:52:05:02
So they felt compelled to fight against it in that instance. So it's important to remember, recognize the journey. But the issue is that the in and obviously the issue for Ricky, the race is it's got to the point where, the it's gone beyond fact. It's gone beyond the binary nature of this. Yeah. Which is in, in terms of biology, as for all the species, generally you can only have male and female, right?

00:52:05:07 – 00:52:23:01
So yeah, for him to make a joke about that is fair because it's got to a point where it's, it's in it's a conversation in our, in our, you know, sphere and what things and these things are being discussed and they can be discussed and they should be discussed and, and but but also make some fair game for comedy, I guess.

00:52:23:01 – 00:52:47:01
So fuck those men, be offended or don't be offended. Exactly. And to finish it off, I just want to hear your top three comedians. I'm going to go first. You're going to go first. Yeah, yeah. Well, what what what just why you think so? I've just put you on the spot there. So Mickey Flanagan hugely enjoy his work.

00:52:47:07 – 00:53:09:20
And I do love the kind of, East and Cockney council state says it like it is that type of, it is a bit, you know, some of it is a bit of misogyny, some of it is a bit this and a bit that, but I just it he fuckin has me in hysterics. Absolutely love him.

00:53:09:22 – 00:53:33:19
Second, Bill Burr I think like when I first saw Bill Burr, I just thought he was this really angry kind of man and I just didn't really get it. And then I saw another reel and I was like, actually, that's quite funny. And then I went through, I found this page. This is quite a few years ago. And just all of it was just he was just getting he was just so angry at anyone and everyone.

00:53:33:21 – 00:54:02:19
But it is done in such a great way. I thought, this fucking guy, I'm having a bit of this guy. And then the third I would probably say is might surprise you, Russell Kane. I love Russell. Yeah I do yeah. He's bit where the we talked about his dad and how masculine his dad is and like butch and and then the so proper cockney and about a cat getting electrocuted by the Christmas tree is like that is fucking elite tier.

00:54:02:19 – 00:54:24:11
It was so funny. Yeah. But somehow. Yeah, his dad was, a bodybuilder. So he was bodybuilder, cockney proper fucking sort of the that kind of guy. And he says about this story, and then he has this skinny little waif of the comedian son who wears mascara and has a blond tint in his hair, and he's like, what the fuck?

00:54:24:11 – 00:54:54:03
You know what happened there? Right. The topic for next week, we are going to be discussing where the fuck you know, things that don't exist anymore. Pablo Queens. Where have they gone? Flav. Teletext. Right. Okay. Nice. Woolworths kind of pops where you know. Yeah. The good the blue bring Kylie Cole one morning kids TV raves in fields and warehouses.

00:54:54:03 – 00:55:20:18
Top of the pops music channels, all of this stuff that sounds great that that I don't know where it's going, but we're going to just have a good old chat. And if you've got something that you used to love that no longer exists, send it in to lad's Unknown pod at gmail.com and we shall read it out. Now the dilemma we have is called how do I do it?

00:55:20:18 – 00:55:28:13
My free fucking comedians are not. Oh my God, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, I forgot.

00:55:28:15 – 00:55:41:23
Okay, I'm going to cry. I'm going to go. Russell Brand, Russell brand. Yeah. Russell brand. Wow. Okay. Yeah, yeah. You know Crosby.

00:55:42:00 – 00:55:48:01
And Louis C.K., I.

00:55:48:03 – 00:56:13:11
Know my favorite Bill Burr. I think Bill Burr is the greatest comedian the planet is ever produced. Really? He is number one. I know a lot of people say Dave Chappelle, I think I think Bill Burr, for me, number one comedian that we've ever produced. And we got Bill Hicks. Yeah. And I would probably go.

00:56:13:13 – 00:56:36:22
I might, I probably I'd like maybe Robin Williams remember he signed up with some incredible back in the day. Yeah yeah yeah yeah I do. You know what I know is is Hannibal worse. Hey. Yeah. You know him. He's from he's the the guy who stand, you know, the, Oh, man. What's that? Made it mad? Show the, where?

00:56:36:24 – 00:56:54:03
I can't remember the guy's name, but he goes, he has celebrities on, and it's just this crazy showing, but sometimes he shoots someone. One of his band members, he, the the the test will explode suddenly be a giant fish tank on the screen. He'll start bleeding from his nose. You don't know what I'm talking about. The night.

00:56:54:07 – 00:57:17:12
Oh, my God, I don't know. I've got to tell you. People will be screaming for us. Yeah, that's what you just saying is absolutely mental. The Eric Andre show. You never heard of the Eric Andre? Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have have the Hannibal Buress was. He's the guy that stands next to the guest uncomfortably. Right. Okay, okay.

00:57:17:12 – 00:57:35:10
He check his he's specials. I think there was one on YouTube, mate. So funny. Really good and unique. Okay, so I think those those are your top three. Sorry about that. I just, Motherfucker. Yeah, I'm a motherfucker. I am a fuck. Yeah, I know I used to when I was a kid in terms of, like, edgy comedy.

00:57:35:10 – 00:57:56:11
That's not funny anymore. Stephen Lynch I used to listen to him a lot. I used to do comedic songs about the Special Olympics and stuff like that. Yeah, I never get, like, see, I actually had, you know, I was just about to veer off them, but I'm coming back now. You're like, when I. When we first met, you liked, Mighty Boosh.

00:57:56:13 – 00:58:20:23
Yeah. And that kind of abstract type comedy. And I was like, I don't know what the fuck is going on. What? This is fucking minute. How can you like this? It's mad. There's something as mental as that was so popular as well. It was hugely popular. They did three seasons on BBC. Yeah, that I mean. And my cousin, as well, he used to love,

00:58:21:00 – 00:58:41:02
Is it flight of the Conchords? Is that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's like flight. I forgot the songs and I was just a couple partners. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get any of this stuff. It's quite funny, isn't it? That stuff that you see and you're like, I have no idea why people find this funny. And then other people are like, this is religious, this is me.

00:58:41:02 – 00:59:00:01
This is everything I'm about. It's like the office is not really funny anymore, is it, when you look back. So. Oh fuck is this? Oh, at the time it was like, brilliant. This is groundbreaking. Now you like this? Is it, is it good? This is good. People still like this shit that I. Yeah. I think you don't like it.

00:59:00:06 – 00:59:20:14
It's because I still I do this, it's still like up there. And you're always that guy that wants to fly under the radar. No, that's not cool anymore. It's not, you know, like, you know, when it when Netflix, you know, making a murder or whatever, and you're no one's heard of it. You've already seen five episodes. You're like, this is brilliant.

00:59:20:14 – 00:59:47:02
Then when everyone catches on, you know, yeah, I. Yeah, the office isn't even it shouldn't be considered as a top tier comedy TV show, because it's not even his best comedy TV show. Extras. Extras is so much funnier than The Office. I think they're both. They're both fantastic. Well, it's the top three. You're saying your top three comedy shows and you've got Office and Extras in the top three?

00:59:47:04 – 00:59:59:04
I would say office is definitely in the I probably wouldn't have extras. Extras, Hispania, I mean, these people all are close for love. And I saw everything.

00:59:59:06 – 01:00:18:24
Was Patrick St Patrick's to it all. What's it all about? Is it time where someone's clothes fell off and he saw everything? It's so good. I could watch that and laugh out loud every single time. The extras. I need to rewatch that. Yeah. I haven't seen it in years. She should watch along. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

01:00:18:24 – 01:00:54:01
Fucking love to do that. Not to do that. Oh, by the way, before I, go into this, it's, I should have done this at the top of the show. Really? Just got excited because we were chatting again in normal surroundings, but, patron, I have said this to the the patron not, but I, I, you know, I say this tentatively have started to have discussions about a potential Latin anonymous live show.

01:00:54:03 – 01:01:10:19
Right. What do you want to discuss this for me when you say you discussions. I haven't been involved. Any of them. Yeah, I know this is why I should have lot I should have, but. And this is what it's tentatively. Yeah, but the wheels are in motion without you been so busy. Do you think I've been talking to Charlie?

01:01:10:21 – 01:01:35:05
Yeah, yeah. You know, he's busy now. Yeah, I know he's busy, but. But, man, get stuff done. And this this is his wheelhouse. So, like, he he knows all about this. So there will be a, you know, hopefully a live show by the end of the year. And if you want to get tickets for that and you want to be first in the queue for that, because these are going to be intimate shows, right?

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01:02:26:19 – 01:02:53:06
So I'll just tell you, got an issue for a tissue? You're a bit sad because I will teach you a can in your soul, alone in your flat. Please talk to Ricky. Bed. Let that stress off your chest. Well, friend, you deserve to play like you're safe here to get nice warm between Ricky and then.

01:02:53:08 – 01:02:55:23

01:02:56:00 – 01:03:20:09
Accidental accent. So some of you may know who the YouTuber Lilly Singh is. And if you don't, she's an Indian Canadian YouTuber who used to make a lot of funny skits back in 20 tens. But I was maybe 8 or 9. I used to watch her, and she had a lot of skits where she would impersonate her Indian parents and they had Indian accents, so she'd do the accent.

01:03:20:14 – 01:03:47:11
Now, me not knowing that mimicking people of a different races accents could be perceived as offensive or racist. When talking about parts of her videos I found funny to my parents. Mostly I'd recreate the accent, not trying to mock anyone, but just because I found the skits funny. Now, obviously years later, I know this isn't okay, but I feel really guilty.

01:03:47:13 – 01:04:09:01
So my dilemma is should I feel bad for this even though I didn't know nor was trying to offend anyone when I was 8 or 9? I'm very hyper aware about different acts of racism now years later, so that's why it's very upsetting to me that despite no ill intent, I did that. I don't know if this is really a dilemma.

01:04:09:02 – 01:04:29:14
No, but forgive yourself. It's funny. Yeah, no one remembers that. And and even if they do, is the consequence, innit? You can say what you want. What's the consequence here is that people might remember you doing weird racist bit you still ages ago, but you don't do anymore. It's not that deep. Yeah I mean have you ever done the can you like in your mind?

01:04:29:16 – 01:04:51:04
Are there any times that have you. I've done an accent. Well, I mean, done an accent or done a thing where you just feel like, oh, it's a bit. Well, accents are off limits, Rick. See, this is this is a great. This is great, this is great. This about punching down. Yeah, yeah. I've always had this theory that I'm scared to outside of the WhatsApp group.

01:04:51:06 – 01:05:18:06
Like I go, can you punch down to Chinese people? Like they're literally one of the most powerful nations on earth? It depends what you are. Depends what the bit is. What is your bit? I ain't got a bit. I'm right, I reckon. I reckon if you're doing a Chinese accent while ordering the Chinese. Probably on dodgy ground there.

01:05:18:08 – 01:05:41:14
Yeah for sure. Whilst ordering the Chinese. Yeah for sure. Yeah. And also it will even even with you move in the idea of having a Chinese. If you use a Chinese accent there you're better. Yeah. But if you're talking about China's nuclear program, you're probably fine. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Like Kim Jong UN seems to be the butt of a lot of people's jokes.

01:05:41:16 – 01:06:02:19
And no one would you mind? Isn't he Korean? No, no, I know he's North Korean. I'm not confusing to. I know that he's not. Why are you doing this? I'm, you know, not moved. You know, you're making the suggestion that I didn't know that he. I thought he was Chinese. I don't think I know he's North Korean sake.

01:06:02:21 – 01:06:29:06
I think, I think he, Why would. Sorry. God, no. No, no. So. Well, what, like what? I try to as a 42 year old man, and I would. I don't think I'll ever understand the rules to the game, but, like, it's okay when we do a South African accent. See if you feel fine. Fantastic accent.

01:06:29:06 – 01:06:51:12
France. I love it so much. But then if you were to do any other accent, I don't know. If I don't know Canadian accent now, I wouldn't feel comfortable. Yeah. Okay. I mean, it's both Africa. Yeah. Like do Somalian accent. I wouldn't know how to do Somalian accent if you had to try it. Just try. No. Never doing that.

01:06:51:18 – 01:07:18:00
Yeah. No, don't do that. But the, the, Yeah. No you're right. But the thing is, I think what it is, is, is if it's white, it's right. All right. So self qualifications, are you thinking about white certificates when you say that you can say whatever you want about anyone in Scandinavia. It doesn't matter if it's racist towards Scandinavians because their, their quality of life is so good that you're allowed to take the piss out of them like a good friend.

01:07:18:00 – 01:07:40:09
Mark Nesbitt, who? Yeah, he's the least scanned. I look more Scandinavian than he does. And he was actually born and raised there. Yeah. So we can do as much as we can make fun of Mark. Or can we? Because he's short and ginger and he's got crosses as well. He's especially Bellamy. Yeah he is. He's got he's got a lot of, things going on.

01:07:40:11 – 01:07:57:04
So yeah, I like that accent thing. I've always found it a bit, I don't know, like what? What can you do? What can't you do. So just stay clear of it. So I just thought that, dilemma, which I know, interestingly, I think you can do a Jamaican accent.

01:07:57:06 – 01:08:09:21
I think he might be right. Yeah, I think I'm not going there. You just in case you can't. But I think, and I've got this wrong. But I think he can I think things like you could do a South African. I think you can do a Jamaican accent.

01:08:09:23 – 01:08:12:12

01:08:12:14 – 01:08:34:03
Mexican. Mexican. Feels like there. What? There's an interesting. Right. It's an interesting one. You know, there's a skit and I don't know who what the intention was behind it, so I don't I'm not supporting this person. But he made an interesting, TikTok where he dressed up in a sombrero and, and a Mexican hat, and he went around asking people, is it offensive, what he's wearing?

01:08:34:05 – 01:08:52:14
And he obviously went to people who, just walking on the street, white people, black people, whatever. And I'll say, is this offensive? They all they all said, yeah, you're appropriating their culture. It's not your culture. You shouldn't do that. Which all made sense. And then he went to the Mexican define it's offensive. And they're like, no, we love it.

01:08:52:16 – 01:09:09:17
It's interesting in here the or did he just edit in the ones that said they loved it and not the ones I didn't love it. We don't know. But this is this assume that the if the culture that you're appropriating is a fan of it, then are you really appropriating the cultural are you celebrating the culture? That's the thing.

01:09:09:19 – 01:09:34:15
Tricky one. Yeah, it is a tricky one. I mean, I would probably say if you're celebrating, then it's fine if you're doing it because. So a friend of ours started up, a friend of ours started up a, a Mexican food stall. Oh you're right. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah. And I said, where some Saberi 100 year for you.

01:09:34:15 – 01:09:59:09
So. Yeah, I'm a big hot. Yeah. What's the, the thing that goes over, you know, the poncho. Yeah, I was embarrassed. That isn't it. I was thinking so poncho mustache. Yeah. Some sombrero. Yeah. So is it Mexican food? Yeah. When he was I know I don't I don't feel comfortable doing that. I don't resort it's marketing. No, people might find it.

01:09:59:09 – 01:10:06:19
And I was like, you got to do it anyway. Oh, I'm not doing it anyway. It's bad enough that I'm making money off food.

01:10:06:21 – 01:10:10:12
Take the piss out of the way they dress as well.

01:10:10:14 – 01:10:20:08
I think. Yeah, I think that's the right something I do, you know. This one's a bit.

01:10:20:10 – 01:10:26:19
Something, you know.

01:10:26:21 – 01:10:57:01
It was 2001. I was in my third year at university. I was well away from home. I lived in student digs on the outskirts of the town. My third year, I found a room in a house already occupied by two fellow students, by females. To begin with. We all got along great and everything was a good laugh. Towards the end of my time at university, things suddenly took a bit of a sour turn when they both started stealing from me.

01:10:57:03 – 01:11:21:06
It's why is this so prevalent at university? When they say stealing, I bet it's food. Is it food? Yes. It started with real menial things like toilet roll and toothpaste, which I always kept in my room, but it soon escalated to them eating my food and ripping bass out of the fridge. The final straw came when money started going missing.

01:11:21:06 – 01:11:44:22
I'd left lying about in my room. When I confronted them, they just denied it and they both turned on me and started spreading rumors about me. They made up at our local boozer. I was never sure, but apparently they told girls that I like down the pub, that I had an STD and they stayed away from me. 000 complete ballocks.

01:11:44:24 – 01:12:12:08
But this was the final straw. Time for revenge as they just helped themselves to my food. I started buying these cheap pizzas from Tesco. I'd bring them home unopened and leave them in the ER and cupboard for a week or so, then chucked them in the freezer. They would come home battered from late nights out, choc a frozen pizza in the oven, then gorged himself stupid on what was now moldy pizza.

01:12:12:10 – 01:12:35:06
Being a bit worried I was going to kill one of them, I moved on to more subtle modes of revenge. So every morning before going out to lectures, I'd have a shower and a quick wank into one of their shampoo bottles. It got a bit tricky trying to aim my man juice into the small aperture of the bottle, so I invested in a small funnel from the pound shop.

01:12:35:08 – 01:13:00:17
So every morning before heading out, I'd quickly chop up the shampoo with my savings over from the past past 24 hours, they never said anything or possibly even notice. But the internal pleasure I got from seeing them both out and about, knowing my little soldiers were stuck in their hair brought me great pleasure. I left uni that year and never heard from either of them ever again.

01:13:00:19 – 01:13:23:03
I will always remember that for as long as I live and that is something. Until now, only I know you know what someone did when I was at university. I bought a whole chunk of cheddar cheese. Nothing. I mean, that is like gold. When you university opened it and someone had just bitten a chunk at the corner. Like you can see the teeth on.

01:13:23:05 – 01:13:42:16
Boy oh, boy, what is going on here? That's barbaric. That is that is fucking. That's not on the on where I live, about six people. I have no idea. And you're a vegetarian. It's like one of the only things you can eat. Do you know what I mean? Not. Well, now, I wasn't actually a vegetarian then. It was that you turned vegetarian.

01:13:42:16 – 01:14:08:09
Yeah. Yeah, it was that year, 2000. The 80,000, I think. Oh, 1999. I remember just one bit about that house, 27 Peacock Terrace. You can actually go and Google that on, on, Google Maps, see where I live, how you spell blue Dot the doc. Okay, okay. That was because it was converted into student house.

01:14:08:09 – 01:14:30:08
There's, like, free toilet cubicles in one room. Yeah, it was weird. And we would been out the night before, and I done the worst. All the worst smelling shits I've ever been, like, even, you know, like, you know, everyone, generally, you call your own stench, right? Yeah. Yeah, this was abhorrent and had just finished. Not like coke be.

01:14:30:12 – 01:14:40:05
This is just in its. I can't think of the worst possible smell you can make. Yeah. And just as I,

01:14:40:07 – 01:14:58:18
Just as I was coming down the stairs, bearing in mind the hallway led to a stairway that led directly into the bathroom. Yeah. Yeah, mate. Dave knocks on the door. May I just passing. I am busting for a piss. Can I just use your toilet?

01:14:58:20 – 01:15:12:15
Oh, yeah, but go crack. It was. And upstairs was watching. And as soon as he went, it turned and was like that led.

01:15:12:17 – 01:15:40:04
Light. As it turned around like that, I was like on the floor. Yeah, it was a Ginger Dave. Yeah, yeah. We have you. What was the last time you spoke to him? Before? I called him about a call him about a year ago. He really does like landscape gardening now in, down in Cornwall. Two kids and a wife.

01:15:40:04 – 01:15:57:16
Yeah. Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? Like when I was at university, I had three really strong friends for Reed. Yeah, we had Adam and we had Dave, and we all lived in a house. Well, I actually lived in a different house, but I spend all my time in the house, and we were so tight we'd go out together.

01:15:57:16 – 01:16:19:13
We went there for like two and a half years and then university stopped. And then you're like, that's it, and friendship's gone. Like, I spoke to free the other day and it was, I, I don't know, it's not so much time and living that's happened that, you can't what you in your mind space. You're still 20 University.

01:16:19:15 – 01:16:38:18
Yeah. What you realize when you're talking to them is that they're not that. Yeah, yeah. I always like when I did. You still feel like that connection to them? Like when you. You're back there? Was it. We're just too old. It just meant that I just. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like you were catching up after you caught up.

01:16:38:18 – 01:17:00:05
What do you. What do you talk about? You don't know anything about it. So. Yeah, I always like I always find it weird. Not weird, but I always sit and think. When you've been working somewhere at a place for five years or wherever, and you spent more time with them than you would your actual family or being at your house or whatever?

01:17:00:09 – 01:17:23:23
Yeah. You're all in this kind of thing together, pulling in the same direction. And then when you leave, you never speak to them again. And like, you used to go on lunch, go, go out for lunch or after work beers or, you know, going to fucking some event with these people. But, you know, you're upset because you've had an argument where you're misses and you're talking to one of these people, what should I, you know, all these different things.

01:17:23:23 – 01:17:41:16
And then just like that, it's like, never talk to them again. I mean, I mean, you're there. Yeah. I guess that's like like real friendships. Are they. They just work. No, they work friendships. But then you're all people that you do meet and they stay friends, you know. Oh, that was a that was a friendship like I. Yeah.

01:17:41:18 – 01:17:46:12
The.

01:17:46:14 – 01:18:08:08
That's why you knew, like, Bull Street was such a good place when I was working there, as everyone was laughing and everyone maintained friendships pretty much since then. Yeah. So, visual art arch nemesis, James Walker. He's not my arch nemesis. It can't go that that boy. Cool. He's everywhere. He's he's everywhere. He's grafting. He's everywhere grafting.

01:18:08:10 – 01:18:31:11
He doesn't. He never stops. Right. So the topic for next week is things that no longer exist. Work, friendships. Yeah, a lot of friendships. If you've got any of those that you want to email across to us, do so. Lads, unknown pod, gmail.com. And until then, we will see you next Monday. Yep.

00:00:00:02 – 00:00:25:19
Fucking kids are back to school. Ricky. Tell me about God. I know he hates hates school more. Me or will? Like, do you know how difficult it is as a parent? Right. And you sit down and and. Your son says to you, I hate school. Knowing full well you to send him there for the next eight months.

00:00:25:21 – 00:00:54:20
Yeah. And it ain't about him trying to get out of it. It's he hates it but he's got, he's got to go and we going for his process where he's you know he probably won't do well on his GCSEs. He won't do what he says. He's right and we're already planning for what might be next year. But it's almost crazy that he's gotta go through the next eight months, gotta go through and sit GCSE and and and and and to get a sheet of paper at the end that goes.

00:00:54:20 – 00:01:17:23
Yeah there you go. You can't do it. Yeah. But this is how well you memorize stuff. Yeah, yeah. Here's a sheet of paper. That's how terrible you are. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah I don't know I don't I mean there's, there is a process of, there's a process of sticking with something that's important and seeing things through.

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But I just don't there's, there's other than that I genuinely, genuinely cannot see any value in it. Yeah. And it's a shame. But it's a different, different thing altogether is is she, college or sixth form or her, you know. Oh, shit, man, she's got A-levels this year. She did it right in her first year. She's not.

00:01:42:11 – 00:02:05:02
That's never she. If she wants to go to university, she will be able to. If she wants to, then what she wants to do. So, so. But, Yeah, but luckily there's this. There's this place called the. Well, there's a college near us. It's really good. And it does sort of all you if you want to become like a, a car mechanic or you want to become a bricklayer, or you want to do something like that, it's like, you know, it's a kind of apprenticeship.

00:02:05:03 – 00:02:26:23
Such courses that that's decent. I remember when I went to college at, Bletchley College, they media studies and out the back there was like, like garages and bricklayers and, you know, people that wanted to do, you know, stuff with their hands, like, and if you can get good of it, you can on a fortune.

00:02:27:00 – 00:02:55:02
Yeah. Exactly. Like my kids got getting them ready for school. Obviously, they were like, oh, I don't want to go back to school and getting back into that routine, but luckily it wasn't. I didn't feel like the paying of knowing that they desperately didn't want to be there or anything, but. So that was kind of nice. But it's just the the chaos in the morning and it's the same every morning.

00:02:55:04 – 00:03:15:00
It's the same like trying to get them to be ready for the next day. Have you got your bag packed? Have you got your lanyard. Have you got your glasses there. Have you got your phone. Like, are you like try to get their school shoes like together in a pair by the front door so they can just slip them on and get out.

00:03:15:02 – 00:03:36:12
And then the next morning of like I give a countdown like a half six, go in there, wake them up, and then it's like, right. 645. Right. 650 yeah. We've got a late. That's. Yeah. And I keep that at the same thing every fucking time. It's the it's literally are they. And they get in there and they end up on their own by their own alarms.

00:03:36:12 – 00:03:52:12
Or do I have to go wake them up. No. Fucking no. I've got to go in there and do it. Yeah. Chloe wakes herself up. She has done for free. God, what a dream she's done. Yeah, but she's 17. She's done it for free for about three years she's been doing it, whereas, well still recall I don't. I know that woo is waking up.

00:03:52:12 – 00:04:11:04
I can't trust that he won't go back to sleep. And that's why I have to say it does get boring. Yeah. And then it's like obviously getting all of that sorted, then getting them out the door and it's like, they're moaning at me and it's like, well, I don't want to be doing this. I want to be in bed two.

00:04:11:06 – 00:04:27:22
I don't want to be having to walk to the bus stop and getting you ready. What I'm so sad about that. I mean, they can. Yeah, they of course they can. But, you know, while they're young and I can, I, you know, I will do that. So you do want to do that. You know I don't want to do it.

00:04:27:22 – 00:04:48:13
I'd rather not do it, but I'd rather. So if something ever happens and then that's the day I'm like, right, okay. I'm not walking. You just go anymore. Then the next week, just like waiting for my kids to come home and they've been kidnaped right over that, right? Yeah. Exactly. The, And also eventually there'll be a time where they don't need you or don't want you to walk them.

00:04:48:15 – 00:05:10:09
See, this is this is the thing that we have in our house whereby my my girls, they'll have a shower, and my missus is like, well, both of us, like, you've got to get ready, you've got to go to bed, blah, blah, blah, trying to get everything sorted. But they will wait around for their mum to blow dry and brush that hair.

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And I'm like, girls, you, you can fucking do this for yourselves. You are old enough. And then my missus kind of pops a head round the door. And as always like that, there'll be a time where they don't want this. They don't want me to do this, and I can't do this for them. And. And I'm not for that.

00:05:28:19 – 00:05:53:13
Right. Fine. Everything is delayed because it's eking out those last opportunities to be with your children. And. Yeah, of course, I'm not going to be walking them to college when they're 18 or whatever the fuck it is. So I guess it is. Yeah, I guess it is those bits where I'm you're trying desperately to hang on, but I've already noticed the independence of my girls.

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And yeah, it does make me sad. But yeah, they, they growing up to be young women and be independent in the world. And I don't want to hold them back. I want to give them the kind of, guardrails of, you know, what's good and what's bad and to be a bit more street savvy and stuff like that.

00:06:09:14 – 00:06:27:03
But they'll never be street savvy if I'm, like, walking ten paces behind them while they're at the local shopping center or whatever, you just got to let them do what they got to do and make your own kind of fuck ups. Ready to be speak about ready in last week probably did. No it didn't. No no no no.

00:06:27:03 – 00:06:48:10
You told me that you would do you you never guess what I've got to do in a couple of weeks. I've got a gun collect Chloe at 2:30 in the morning, but we've not spoken about it. Yeah. So that was hell. That was. That was absolute hell. Ricky. Everything you thought it would be. But worse.

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So I was, I was looking at the, the live traffic map thing on my. And it was my stupidity, really, but always it tells you how long, including traffic it would take you to get there. And it's like hour and 20 minutes for me. So I'm not gonna pick her up at 12. I'll leave it about 9:45.

00:07:05:12 – 00:07:28:03
It gives me a good, you know, maybe 50, 60 minutes, you know, leeway so I can pick her up. Yeah. I got to Redding. It was gridlocked. I'm talking every road gridlocked. I can see her where she is on a map and see where I am. And I'm right. We are miles away, and I cannot move my car.

00:07:28:05 – 00:07:54:15
She has, like, seven, about eight, 15% battery. Good. If she starts walking and her battery runs out. I don't know where she is in Redding. No. So I said, in the end, her and her friend did have to start walking because I'd sat in a road, some random road in Redding, like a residential street, ran back to the cars for about an hour, didn't move.

00:07:54:15 – 00:08:15:09
I ended up picking them up at half past the 2:15 in the morning. I was supposed to pick them up at 12, and then we had about an hour and a half drive back. So did they. So you said I'm at, I don't know, fucking Spencer Road. And they were like, right, we've got that on the maps.

00:08:15:09 – 00:08:38:05
We know how to get there. We got 15%. Yeah. That'll be kind of what it was like a 40 minute walk. And they'd been in the festival all day. It's not like they would just go to our bed and then they were knackered. Right. So that, so I was saying, look, let's walk half way. I'll meet you at this point that cuts out this road and all that.

00:08:38:07 – 00:08:59:02
Anyway, we got there and they were lit. She had like no battery left, but we got there and we got out and sprawled. It was just, a mass of bodies of these kids asleep on the trees. And I'm saying, oh, yeah, on the, on the streets of Redding. And I'm like, what is where are your parents? Why is it someone came to pick you up?

00:08:59:04 – 00:09:25:13
But imagine if you knew your daughter. Your your oldest daughter is, what, 14? Yeah, right. In three years time from now, she could be asleep under a tree in Redding after watching Travis Scott at 2:00 in the morning. Yeah, I, yeah. No. Charles fucking, Yeah, exactly. God, man, that is. I mean, saying that there was a time when when all of this, going to Bilbao and I couldn't get a hotel or anything like that.

00:09:25:13 – 00:09:47:05
There was a point that I thought, can't can I sleep on the beach? But it's just for one night, like, as a 40 year old man with my 70 year old dad, I just to get there, I make it. But I was like, nah, I can't do that. Cannot in a million years. What I even consider doing that I wouldn't go unless I had a fucking decent hotel sorted.

00:09:47:07 – 00:10:09:24
I just wouldn't go. I didn't, I could not give a shit whether it was an FA Cup final, Champions League final, the thought of walking around with my dad and not having somewhere to stay, you couldn't. You could guarantee me a Champions League final five nil win against Arsenal. And I still wouldn't go if I didn't have a hotel, rating 100%, I would.

00:10:09:24 – 00:10:30:00
No, I just I don't I'm just well past that shit. Like when you, you drove to. That was the incredible thing when we drove. Where did you drive to Seville? Yes we did. Yeah. My bad. Yeah. So that wasn't even an important game. It was a group stage game in the Europa League. Was it? Or was it?

00:10:30:00 – 00:10:49:15
Yeah. This quarterfinal. No it wasn't. I don't even think it was quite the final stage at that point. And you spent most of that time asleep with your dad in the car is played. Oh my God, you are Minarik. And the, the, fuck, you know, the things you do. I think they they have you seen, it's been another crash dog.

00:10:49:17 – 00:11:16:23
What? Yeah. Not not not play. No, though. What the. That you know that tram. Is it a tram in Lisbon? Really? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, last night I think it was some those little, 17 dead. It's gone up to 17 now. Fucking hell. This morning it's 15. Christ. Well, how I've been on those things. Oh, my Lord, really?

00:11:16:23 – 00:11:40:00
I've been up that street. I'm watching it. So that street is super, super steep. And as a specific tram for that hill alone, I feel I would. You're not getting up there. Basically, me an early struggle, to be honest. So it must have been that it might have been that. So I've 17 people die in that, I, I've always wanted to go to Lisbon.

00:11:40:02 – 00:12:00:01
I've always wanted to go on that little tram thing as well. It's really cool. And I've been told that Lisbon is a quality. Say, yeah, it's great. So I've wanted to go there and take the girls there and stuff, and I. So I saw the news and I thought, like, is this tram? Is it like a, you know, those things are suspended and they're more in the air.

00:12:00:03 – 00:12:21:24
Oh no. It looked at that and it's like on the floor almost. It's like quite so. Yeah. No, it's. Hello. How the fuck. Just on the rail. On the street. And then how does that move quick, Rick. They move slowly like, I don't know, eight mile an hour. I mean, I read the article when he said brakes, the brakes fail to work.

00:12:21:24 – 00:12:47:15
Oh, they might have they might have come down on the ceiling into a building seven into a building, 17 to 21 injured. Max. Yeah. Matt. That is. Yeah. It's a shame. Like we were saying about, like, infrastructure and our old infrastructure to maintain it. Yeah. Hey, who's doing that? Who? He's doing it. Someone's gotta be responsible. Like what?

00:12:47:17 – 00:13:02:02
Oh, what, you want me to get on a fucking. What's it called? Cable car. What? What are 600ft off the ground? Yeah, I'll do that. Who's check this? Who's the last person to check every single part of the.

00:13:02:04 – 00:13:21:16
Out. Bless you. You saw the, You saw the one in. I think it was in India where they were just hanging. Yeah, hanging off the side of it. I mean, people were in there, a bloke was on his phone. It was all sort of open, like, you know, if you found. Well. What? Me? What are you doing?

00:13:21:18 – 00:13:50:03
TikTok on TikTok. There's, you know, the one that goes over, London, over the Thames. What's it called? The sky. Something. Yeah. Oh, I think it's the Emirates. I think Emirates operate it now. I've, I've quite fancied going on there. I wouldn't mind that. Oh, yeah. No, I trust the Arabs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No I mean look at the infrastructure and the speed at which they build things.

00:13:50:05 – 00:14:07:05
Yeah. That's true. I have no issue with them. But there is that bit of me that if that falls and you're in that metal cage and you plummet into the Thames, you're out of that. I don't really want to plummet to my death. I mean, I been eaten by a shark and plummet into my death in a cable car, probably on the same level.

00:14:07:07 – 00:14:35:20
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Plummet. Plummeting. Yeah. No, both of them are. Both of them are fucking grim as hell. And you kind of like, is an instant death when you're aware of your imminent demise. Yeah. The one something popped up at my, reels this morning, actually, and it was, about the discovery of a explorer. Everest. Yeah. Part of a part was thawed out.

00:14:35:22 – 00:15:06:06
They found a they found his body fat. Found his body, intact, well-preserved because of the ice and snow and stuff. And went on further investigation. His right arm and his right leg had broken. Oh, well, he has a liver, broken leg and broken arm in that freezing cold snow. Yeah, exactly. He died. So he'd fallen. He'd obviously broke his arm and leg lying there in the freezing, knowing that there's no way out.

00:15:06:12 – 00:15:30:24
They said the position of his body is how he's died. Is. It was like a prolonged death. Just like they were broken bones in the snow thinking, oh, fuck, no one is going to find me ever. And they did it for, like, a lot 20 years or it was probably longer than that. I, I read an incredible book called Into the Air by, John Crouch cracker, cracker.

00:15:30:24 – 00:15:57:06
And he's about a, expeditions up to the top of Everest. And it was written 1991, 1997, I think it was, but an excellent book about an expedition who went right and then it went wrong. Oh, or badly wrong on the bottom. Came back down in time is it's all true as well. Personal accounts. It was, I'd never gone up there that far.

00:15:57:08 – 00:16:16:20
Have you ever seen so many attractions? Well, you know, hundreds of people do it every year, like everybody, you know, when you go all kind of average at now, you like, right? All right. Well, people have loads of people. I've swum across the Atlantic on my own or of of solo rowed across the Atlantic. Fairplay. Tell me about that.

00:16:16:20 – 00:16:35:22
Yeah, I went up Everest. Tell me all about that. You know, the thing that freaks me out about these guys? They have to get out. Let's get out and into the water to, to clean the barnacles and shit. And underneath the boat, because it drags the boat, it takes some more energy. So they have to clean the hull.

00:16:35:24 – 00:16:57:04
Is it the hull underneath the boat? Yeah, yeah. In the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Just with a pair of goggles and a snorkel. Night. Fucker. Like, below them is hundreds and hundreds of feet of dense water depth. Death. Yeah, I would just I'd be like, well, I'll just be slow. I'll be slower than expected. Yeah. You know, I read a book called,

00:16:57:06 – 00:17:16:07
What the fuck was it is about a family who decided to get on a boat. I remember I read this, get on a boat. No, it wasn't. It was a, It was a book. He was also introduced, interviewed by a lad Bible about a family that gets on the boat, takes the kids out of school.

00:17:16:07 – 00:17:40:11
The twins. A son and a daughter, a mom and a dad who's got some sailing experience but not a load. And he decides to get in a sailing boat and sail around the world with his entire family. How do you find that? When Rick battled it badly and and the bits of the book where you're like, they're all, this is like, read, mate, read it, or just watch what I said.

00:17:40:11 – 00:17:58:18
You read Bible thing and if they survive, yeah. Because, yeah, the books were written. If they didn't survive, you wouldn't have a book. But yeah, just thought that. Yeah, they did. But it just meant it's meant mental story as well. At one point, the the daughter just gets off at one point. So I don't want to do this and moves to Spain and marries a Spanish man.

00:17:58:18 – 00:18:23:04
It's almost like it's just you get this entire sort of 15 year era of these, this family that just did this mental thing, and there's a bit where they want to, you know, explain too much because people want to read it. But there's a bit where they spend some time on a dinghy and yeah, dinghy is in Falmouth Maritime Museum.

00:18:23:04 – 00:18:41:17
The actual dinghy they're in like is historic story what they went through. And you can go and look at the dinghy, the family they picked up some of the people on the way as well. The amount of people that were in this dinghy for a bit. Oh my God. Yeah, that sounds fucking mental. I mean, to be fair to the to the door, if I, if I had a choice of.

00:18:41:19 – 00:18:54:16
But yeah, if I was out of choice come back and say any country I don't care, I would marry a local and just be like, this is it. This is my life now. So I rather that than be in the sea. If you're old man on your mum. When? All right. We're going to go sailing around the world.

00:18:54:18 – 00:19:04:07
The the first port you get off and marry a local. Yeah. Just don't take me on that expedition. I don't want to go on.

00:19:04:09 – 00:19:18:20
The jungle. Right. That's the. Fucking. I can't find the folder. Others. I keep all this bin. Good.

00:19:18:22 – 00:19:48:09
On them like I hazy like Band of Brothers playing tunes. Hi. Is quite midnight. Waves surfing through till daylight breaks. Rhythm hit us different ways. Love of music I we prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band I we like to speak and yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Brothers. Hello and welcome to lads anonymous is episode 113.

00:19:48:11 – 00:20:12:08
I'm Ricky, he's two best mates. One main topic we answer your life dilemmas and confessions and our feature something only you and I. And everything remains anonymous. Always. So sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast. How's it going? Flav? You well? I'm good. Yeah. You believe in yourself? Yeah. I'm good, I suppose you. Nothing changes. Really. I've got a question to ask you.

00:20:12:08 – 00:20:44:11
Actually. Well. Oh. So, I saw it on, a real. And I was surprised with the comments and everything, so that. What better person to ask this question when you have a shower? Do you use or or do you use a exfoliating, like sponge or a sponge or anything to to wash your body? Yeah. Or do you use a shower gel into the hands and rub it around your body?

00:20:44:15 – 00:21:11:17
You use a I use a shower gel into a exfoliating sponge. Dar. Yeah. Interesting. What is that? That's normal, wouldn't it? Well, I mean, how if people were like, yeah, that's what I do. And half people, mainly men will not shower gel in the arms and rub it around my body. I do do that as well. I might double up like under the armpits as well.

00:21:11:19 – 00:21:27:15
But you feel like you need the purchase of the sponge and the, you know, the rough bit, but you scrub. Yeah, yeah. In order to get your skin clean that your hands are not going to do. That's what I would. That's how I'd go about it. I'd actually prefer a scrunchie, if anything. Over a sponge. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah.

00:21:27:15 – 00:21:47:09
That's what. Yeah. There's a exfoliating scrunchy thing. What I don't understand Reiki is people that use the brush for their back. I've never done that. No. That's fucking that's too much for us. Yes. It was always really hard. What are you doing that. Yeah. I still do not. Yeah, yeah. You're a patron. You can see what I'm doing.

00:21:47:09 – 00:22:11:05
It just that. And then you feel like you can't tell if you got your old back anyway. Yeah. I mean, wash your legs. That was the next question. Do you wash your legs and, like, in between your toes and stuff like that? Yeah. And when you, when you're in the chat there. Yeah. Yeah I lean down and, and I clean between my toes.

00:22:11:07 – 00:22:35:20
It's almost essential for me to do that because I've got peripheral neuropathy. And so yeah, I'll get extreme numbness in my toes for protects in emails. I've been to the doctors, I've had tests. It's like we know what it is. Yeah. And I'm not diabetic and all that sort of stuff. I've tested for everything and they think actually it's a symptom of long Covid and the oh that's.

00:22:35:20 – 00:22:58:20
Yeah. And it will never go away. So I have like extreme numbness when I wake up in my toes. And so I have to check that I'm not injured them. Because if you if you can't feel anything, I, I was going to ask why why would you be specific. And that makes sense. Yeah. If you've got an injury and you don't know it's there and you're not clean, you can become infected and all kinds of shit can happen.

00:22:58:20 – 00:23:27:21
So I have to be I have to be conscious of that. Yeah, yeah. Fuck it. Oh, yeah. Jesus. Well, I mean, I tend to like, more. I'd say three quarters of, Hayden's shower. Joe. Man. And then once or twice a week in the shower, I use the exfoliate, because I was always told that humans have, like, an oil on their skin, like a natural oil, which is a protection of the skin.

00:23:27:22 – 00:24:01:15
But. And if you're scrubbing that every single day, you're kind of scrubbing that oil off so your skin isn't as, protected by your natural oils. But I don't know. That's what I've always believed. I think probably being clean is better than protecting that natural. Well, I mean, like, you get natural. Kind of, on your body that you would clean anyway, but then exfoliating every single day, like, women don't wash their hair every single day because I don't know the reason why, but they just dying.

00:24:01:17 – 00:24:27:09
But, I don't know what the science behind that is. Ava. Well, I don't know either. What what? What, how many times you shower in a week? I'm going to go with. I'm probably a six sixer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I can't I can't function if I've not had a shower. You feel a bit grubby every single morning.

00:24:27:09 – 00:24:51:22
I have to. What? You, You still two baths a week? Unfortunately not. No. Like everybody in our house, apart from, there's one member of our family that we try to shower every day. But the one you have to kind of force it a little bit more like fucking get a shower. But things are changing. Is is getting older?

00:24:51:24 – 00:25:11:00
Yeah, but it's but it's like it's. I think the thing is, when jumping in a shower into a cubicle. That's so easy. Yeah. Running yourself a bath and soaking for ages. That's a fucking ordeal. It is an ordeal. But when you get in arenas. Hey, what, are you sitting in the bath? Oh, yeah. No, no, not barfing everyday.

00:25:11:00 – 00:25:28:04
Fuck that. No, no, I know that. But you do. You occasionally run yourself a bath and sit in the bath. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When a time when I've been out fishing or something like that or. It's been. I've been out in the cold when I've been a football, I come, I run myself a long hot bath, stick a podcast on and just lay there.

00:25:28:06 – 00:25:54:19
I, I, you keep topping up the hot water as well then, you little pig. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. I imagine a little belly poking out of the water as well. Okay, the tiny penis just floating on the surface. Yeah. Unfortunately, we haven't had a bath in our in our house for about three years because, we decided to do the moonwalk in the bath.

00:25:54:21 – 00:26:11:01
These hell went through the bath and created a massive hole in it. Oh my God. Yeah. So we've never renewed it because we knew we'd be buying a house. The house doesn't belong to us. We're putting in a new suite with it cost 3 or 4 grand or whatever it might be. Yeah, yeah, we never did it.

00:26:11:01 – 00:26:27:22
So it's just been showers. So my missus is desperate for a I was going to say moving to, you know, whenever like we go to my mum's house or we stay in the hotel, she just sits in the bath for ages. Yeah. Oh, you'd have to, you'd have to. Do you know what we're talking about today? I'm honestly no clue.

00:26:27:24 – 00:27:01:02
The royal family. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Boy. You said earlier. Well, actually, what you're. Before we get into that, what are your thoughts on the royal family again? Really? Are you a royalist or are you, a royalist? No. Anti. No. I'm not for them. I really personally couldn't give a fuck about. Yeah.

00:27:01:04 – 00:27:30:13
Yeah, I get that. But that's my approach to most things that don't directly concern me. Yeah, like my dad's banging on about Angela Reeves and Sadiq Khan, and I'm not that I don't give a shit. And I do look at I do I find people and I don't want to upset anybody, but I find people who are super like royalists and go and attend the birthdays and the weddings and stuff, and they cry.

00:27:30:13 – 00:27:58:07
And then that. Yeah, I when Diana died during the how mental that was. Yeah. She tell you I was that in the run another liner. Okay. I'll save it for later. I've got a story about that. A couple of stories about Diana check out. Well, fuck. You know. Yeah, but I do find that odd like that. The people get so swept up in the this this sort of like, they're like little peasants looking up at the royal family going, oh, my God.

00:27:58:09 – 00:28:27:09
And you're like, you're like, well, they're just. Yeah, that fucking the family. And through bloodline, I've had an elevated status. Yeah. I don't understand what you find so special about them, but I guess it's the same principle with movie stars and with, you know, podcast as well. I mean, I think, movie stars and, what podcast?

00:28:27:09 – 00:28:51:13
If you said, if you, you've kind of earned the right to be there, right? You've, it's your hard graft of how you've elevated yourself into those positions. And, you've earned it, really. Whereas you're born into a bloodline and you're given millions to do as you please. And I live a life of I mean, luxury probably isn't the right word.

00:28:51:13 – 00:29:12:01
Fucking God knows what. Yeah, well, what they get up to. So. So would you. I wouldn't swap my life with their life. Like, no, you can't do anything. You can't sneeze kind shit without someone knowing about it. You can't move. You can't go on holiday, you can't have a normal life and everything would have to be like a military position just to have a bit of peace.

00:29:12:03 – 00:29:29:15
Have you ever watched The Crown? Yes, I well, I got into series three. I think it was. Yeah. He's kind of can do that dip in and out of it, but I, I didn't think I'd want to watch it. He wanted to watch it. So he started watching. I was like actually this is fucking good. And then I ended up watching it.

00:29:29:15 – 00:29:49:19
Oh, but even if that a lot of that is drama, drama dramatized, it's also not. There's also massive like elements of truth in there, right? Not not necessarily about storyline but the themes in it. Yeah, I'm 100%. Yeah. But the obligation, what's required of you, you know, the lines you have to toe. I just wouldn't want to do it.

00:29:49:19 – 00:30:16:01
Right. I mean, from a position of a 42 year old man now going into the royal family. Yeah, it would be fucking shocking. But if you're born into that life, I suppose, you know, no different. Yeah, but you can also be disgruntled with it. And as you see in the show out disgruntled some of them, the Marcus. Yeah.

00:30:16:03 – 00:30:52:23
Like rebellion each other and there was shagging around. He got you got to keep the bloodline in this. It's true. I've, I've actually take it like my mum's always been interested in it, but I'm actually, like, quite interested in, like, the ancient history of Britain and and kings and queens and what they actually meant back then, because that's when they were a monarchy and the king was ruler, and he would get in through, it doesn't matter if he was good or prepared or of age, or had enough live appearances to rule a country.

00:30:53:00 – 00:31:12:15
Just if you were the son of your father, that was it. You would. Yeah. I like the, the skullduggery of things as well. Yeah. Like where someone is naturally going to be the next ruler and they go out to battle and they don't come back. And then it's kind of like, who's going to be king? And there's fallout from.

00:31:12:17 – 00:31:31:16
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I like that in the, in, you might there's a thing on BBC at the moment called King and Conqueror. We watch, we're watching. It's about William the Conqueror coming over France. Well, you know, me and John joke, I know. Well, I joke about the Empire. I'm not sure if John's joking about the Empire, but.

00:31:31:18 – 00:31:54:22
But actually, there's always this thing about Frenchie yellow bellies. And, you know, in the in the war, they folded. They took us over the Normans, the Normans took over Britain, the only part of Britain they didn't quite well, actually. Technically they did. They came in and took over in 1066. What? The French took Britain, did they? You've had William the Conqueror and you.

00:31:55:02 – 00:32:16:00
Yeah, I know, yeah, I know. When he said William the Conqueror, it means he's conquered. Conquered Great Britain. I thought it was just like the South, like it's complicated in the South. And then he didn't do. But he. He became the king of England, I think. Sure. Yeah, that's fucking mental. But they would like Earls. It wasn't just.

00:32:16:02 – 00:32:34:05
It wasn't just, it ain't just like you're the king of England. And then you have to power. There would be earls of like Northumbria and Cumbria and Mercia. Yeah. And they would also have armies in their regions. Yeah. So you would have to play to their fiddle to some. It's to some degree you'd have to work with them.

00:32:34:07 – 00:33:00:18
So there would be. So Earls would potentially marry their sisters off to kings in blood like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh would have a bloodline in, into the, into a royal. You know, I mean talking about talking about all that. I mean, that's what I'm kind of like, That's what I feel like I'm. I'm not, I'm not a royalist.

00:33:00:18 – 00:33:26:09
I, you know, I haven't got, China plates with King Charles. His face on in my fucking front room and any of that shit. I mean, yeah, I'm not. I went to steak, obviously. I went to my nan's, villa this summer holiday. I found loads of royal stuff there, like royal plates and, like, loads of, kind of,

00:33:26:11 – 00:33:52:04
Yeah, just weird stuff that they love. The royal family and I, I'm not kind of, abolish the monarchy. Although if it happened, I probably wouldn't really care, to be honest. But I'm not a. Yeah, I'm not a devout royalist, and I'm not. I've, I'm going to do a protest or march because of them. I think it just exist, isn't it?

00:33:52:04 – 00:34:13:12
It's just like tradition. It happens. I don't really kind of. It doesn't pay any difference to my life, as you said. Yeah. So I mean, I'm kind of it's all it's the way we do things in our country as well, wasn't it? And the Commonwealth and and the Empire, you know, whether you like them or not, are important parts of our history.

00:34:13:12 – 00:34:41:10
And if you got away with the royal family, you'd be disbanding an important historical art. It an important thing about British history, isn't it? It's like we've always had a king or queen. So we would, you know, if a vote went saying yes or no, would you abolish the royal family after after Charles goes, that's it. It's gone.

00:34:41:12 – 00:35:05:05
Would you, would you vote for it or against that? Keep them. Oh, I would not the hundreds and not even vote. I wouldn't care, but, I would if I had to, I would vote to keep them. Yeah. I motive someone who wants to get rid of them. Because. Yeah. Should we ask Churchill? Because we don't really know, do we?

00:35:05:07 – 00:35:25:10
Yeah. Well, I mean, I think a lot of people are, you know, they're, you know, our taxes go towards our lifestyle, right? So we're we're part of what we're paying for them. Certainly. It's how much money that they generate. They the does the royal family.

00:35:25:12 – 00:35:35:12
Really make us make the UK money? Oh, yeah. For sure.

00:35:35:14 – 00:35:59:17
There's no way that you. Where, I mean, like for in terms of what it costs us to. Right. Okay. Here we go. Right. Recent attempts to measure the size of the impacts of royal family on UK tourism have estimated the capital value of the UK monarchy as a business of to be 65 billion pounds, and an annual contribution to the UK economy of 1.7 billion.

00:35:59:18 – 00:36:21:12
So why don't they make us 1.7 billion pound here? How much does it cost us though? That's the thing it was no, it wasn't gonna be 1.7 billion or whatever. But and I think the 510 million a year. Right. Okay. So that's a bit the 1.2 billion pound in profit. Okay. So that's not an argument, is it?

00:36:21:14 – 00:36:42:21
I just don't see I think I think people get on their high horses about authority. Like they don't like authority and they don't like, you know, echelons in society, they don't like people who are born to be better than them. And so they want to disband the monarchy, and they want to do all these things and to shut up.

00:36:42:23 – 00:37:12:08
They make this 1.7 billion pounds. Are you going to do that? Then just shut up. I going to say that, you can't do that and I'll listen to you, but what about the, Prince Andrew taxpayer's money lawyers for his, alleged activities? Yeah. That's not good, is it? Nah, that ain't good. But what do you what do you do in that?

00:37:12:08 – 00:37:20:20
It's. I. Everyone deserves a fair trial. Yeah.

00:37:20:22 – 00:37:43:23
Until he's proven guilty, then it's not money misspent, is it? Wow. I mean, yeah, it didn't it didn't go to trial in the end, did it? Yeah. He he paid her with without tax money, though. Yeah. It's not a five. Yeah I mean I don't know if you can say it's with our tax money. That's a Tea party everybody but.

00:37:43:23 – 00:37:59:21
Well I mean like where else is that money going to come from. He ain't got that fucking down the safe Rosie. Yep. Nobody. They do have interest like the like, What's his face, Harry. He owns his own money. No. They all can earn their own money. They are all just sitting there. Just gone. Can we have some more money, please?

00:37:59:21 – 00:38:28:02
Treasury? They are. I mean, if they continue. I mean, it isn't doing that. No. If he's if he's if you're generating 1.7 billion pounds for the economy. Yeah. Then they can take whatever they want up to the tune of 1.7 billion pounds. What for for non-salary. I mean, I'm not specifically I that's exactly what it sounds like.

00:38:28:08 – 00:38:53:22
No, I'm saying that to the point where they are making the economy money. They're not taking anything but creating, aren't they? So if they've got legal fees or if they've got to buy a new car or whatever, it might be, it's fine because they make money. I mean, obviously I was reading up earlier that the, I think some of their, the building maintenance per year is like 40 odd million.

00:38:53:24 – 00:39:10:04
They make 1.7 billion. It could be 400 million. It doesn't matter if they're making money. Yeah, it's mental though. What you want them to do, just live in wrack and ruin? No, that's I think some of the buildings they go into rather because that was it. No. No one's in them. Yeah. Because I don't think anyone else in them ever.

00:39:10:04 – 00:39:29:02
I think it stops at some stage where it's not like you can be like Seventh cousin removed and you're still getting money from the government, I think. I think there's a line where the money, you don't get the money. So there's people like extended versions of the royal family who live in these big houses but don't really have any jobs and can't afford to run the houses.

00:39:29:03 – 00:39:50:23
Remember that program on the BBC? Yeah, that mad geezer who at that met that really incredible manor house. But it was just an absolute shithole because he couldn't afford to run it. And the kids were got a mental drive and ran out on, what I call the quad bikes all over the place. Yeah. This is madness. It was it was quite funny.

00:39:51:00 – 00:40:13:19
The documentary that. But, mentioned that you've met a couple of the royals. Oh, yeah? Who've you met? How? I've met, Prince Charles twice. How? It's not very interesting. So what? I work for exposure. We, we did a lot of work with the Prince's Trust. And this is what I'm saying. Like, if people can turn.

00:40:13:22 – 00:40:38:14
Do you know how much email using work? The prince's trust us. Incredible, crucial work. The benefits that some of the most vulnerable people, vulnerable people in society. Yeah. Of every background. Yeah. So there's many charities that they work for that they raise the profile. Yeah. Put money in. And do you know you know a lot of work with them.

00:40:38:14 – 00:40:59:20
Yeah. For them. Well, yeah. Look what Diana did with the, with raising awareness about Aids and minefields and stuff like that. Like, you might have an issue with the royal family, but you're not doing anywhere near as much good as they are. You're just angry on your sofa, on your phone. That's all you are. That's your entire contribution to this situation.

00:40:59:22 – 00:41:27:10
Is tweeting something that you dislike. The royal family. Yeah, yeah. But you are you what you do look at what Prince Charles is doing. If I can do bits here is continuing to do bits and you're just fat and angry on your on your phone. He's got cancer and he's still doing bits. I he's dad was driving the Land Rover until he was like 98 for he went yeah crashing it every now and then.

00:41:27:12 – 00:41:47:13
Yeah. So he did the Prince's Trust. Prince's credit, the Prince's Trust. The trust did huge amounts of work. And we were at, do the Limehouse. Do you ever been to Limehouse? It's like a club in in, central London, Chancery Lane, I think it was. No, I don't think I have actually very fancy place. I went to a couple of nights out in London, Limehouse, but they never did an event in this instance.

00:41:47:13 – 00:42:08:03
And I was there and working for when I was a youngster. Exposure, which is a charity I used to benefit from. I did some work for the Prince's Trust, and we met him then and then the other times when we opened the new section of the College of, when I was a form of university, and he came and opened it and.

00:42:08:07 – 00:42:30:09
And you met him. Yeah. So was there, I mean, not Charles and he was just shaking the bodies, and he was lovely. I would hang on a second. Hang on, hang on, hang on. I, any of these two events. Yeah. Was there skin to skin contact? Did you shake his hand? Yes. Fucking everyday. Yeah. He shakes. Only hands.

00:42:30:09 – 00:42:57:22
He shakes. Yeah. Probably about 400 fast. Yeah, I know, but I didn't know that. Like the any fucking term dictionary close up to him. Yeah I well the first time would have been in like 97. It does some cursory like the like the rules do some cursory there like get out of the car. They wave to people, then they go over to the poor people and give a couple of handshakes and accept a few flowers, and then they go on their way.

00:42:57:24 – 00:43:17:17
You know, I mean, so it weren't he wasn't mingling. It was he was like going through a crowd as he shook our hands. It wasn't like I sat down with Charles, Prince Charles. No, no, no, but you still. And then and you'd imagine the whole place was locked down. Security was like the new campus at Falmouth University. They.

00:43:17:18 – 00:43:36:08
You weren't allowed in or out unless you was on a list. But we had we had lessons there, so we had to sign in and go for a police barricade thing. Yeah. As mental. Yeah. I'm not really I've never been impressed by that sort of stuff. I'm not bothered. I didn't even want to wait and shake his hand.

00:43:36:08 – 00:43:59:02
I just had to because we, we at the, I was representing the exposure and it would have a bad luck if I had just left. So like the guy Andy. So run the organization said like, you know, shake his hand and and I was like, all right, we're all but not I don't care about, prepped or anything like that has to say, like, don't say anything to Charles.

00:43:59:02 – 00:44:17:20
Just sit around and shake it right like that. No, no, nothing like that. So whatever you I mean, yeah, you say whatever you want. Most people are really courteous, aren't they? And it was just. It was. Yeah. You look at him go, that's Prince Charles. That's cool. Yeah. I met Tony Blair. Well, how did you meet Tony Blair?

00:44:17:20 – 00:44:45:05
I did a was on TV. I was on TV with Tony Blair. You know, so I was a, I was, I was, I was so they what they wanted to do was Tony Blair was prime minister, and they wanted, to get a group of young people to Gwilym or talk to him. All right. And, they contacted exposure about that, and they said, can you send anyone?

00:44:45:07 – 00:45:09:19
And they went, yeah, Gary, you'll do it. So I went to the studio. They picked me up in a car, went to the studio, and we were talking to Tony Blair about a lot of things, but mainly about Iraq War a lot. And, and, and he and Tony Blair said, you know, the most important is also about weapons of mass destruction and all that sort of stuff.

00:45:09:21 – 00:45:32:18
And Tony Blair said, you know, it was a dictatorship before, we were attempting to spread democracy into, an area, you know, so people can vote for whoever they want to, rather than being told who their leader is. And in some, someone of the preference, a democracy in rubble. Because obviously, the blown up blown up in my head, in my head it's me that said it.

00:45:32:18 – 00:45:51:02
But actually I don't think it was me. I think someone else did it. I'm trying to give myself credit. I didn't do it. Yeah. And he he bit to that. He said, no, no, no it's not rubble. And it was that was an interesting experience. It also made me never want to work in TV again because the producers were nobs.

00:45:51:04 – 00:46:12:06
I met a lot of producers in my time, and I would say 70% of the nobs. Really? It's a shame. It's what? Fucking exposure. They call you around a bit point. They. I was deeply entrenched in exposure. Yeah, for a long time. He's the guy that every day in my summer holidays, I'll spend all my time there.

00:46:12:08 – 00:46:41:23
That's. That is, That's how I got into university. I didn't have the grades. I flunked everything so. Well, because you worked at exposure. They were not. They were like, obviously, there's an issue with academia with this kid is a bit thick. Yeah, but he's got something about him. This boy, you know, he's if you're spending every day of your of your summer holiday working for a media magazine, which is what I was doing, they said, well, there's more to life than A-level results.

00:46:41:23 – 00:47:09:09
Luckily I didn't finish my degree. I left, but, if I wrong about that. Fucking it, I feel so. I haven't met anyone. Any royalties or any, Well, I mean, I'd like to. That'd be nice. Why? When I worked at, Moorfields Eye Hospital, when they opened their children's ward, the Queen came and opened their eyes with a group of people behind barricades.

00:47:09:09 – 00:47:41:05
And she just drove past and loads of people. I was just behind barricades with everyone else. While the Queen drove up to the children's ward, and she opened it another tool round it, and I was like, that's the closest I've ever got to a royal, and one that I'd like to live vicariously through. My brother in law, my brother in law got, an MBA and he had to go to Buckingham Palace.

00:47:41:07 – 00:48:11:00
My sister was there and it was the Queen who gave him the award, and he's got an absolute fucking. So if I show up the Queen putting his, MBA on. So, I mean, that's that's one thing, actually, that I will say that it's made the family incredibly proud of that we've got someone in the family that have been to Buckingham Palace, got an MBA, met the Queen, and, that is good.

00:48:11:02 – 00:48:44:16
Yeah. My, my, my sister's husband, Gary, so. I mean, and that was a seven in the RAF. I don't know how he got it. I don't know how he got it. He, he was he was he was serving in Afghanistan. And, he tells me the story, and I can't really. It was something like there was an operation that couldn't go ahead and for it to go ahead, they would have had to do loads of paperwork and red tape, and it would've been a couple of months.

00:48:44:16 – 00:49:05:17
And by that time things would have passed and he was able to get things done a hell of a lot quicker, and the operation was delivered to success. What do you so certain? And you think he doesn't deserve it? No, I didn't say he didn't deserve it. Got. No. I'm saying we're incredibly proud of him for doing that.

00:49:05:17 – 00:49:20:20
But what did you say you did? You did. Don't think he did much know what he was. What the fuck? What have you been listening to? What, are you proud of him? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Incredibly, the whole family is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like the energy. I was it's like you had a bit of an issue that you.

00:49:20:20 – 00:49:50:17
Perhaps you shouldn't have the. You didn't own it. No no no no no. What a front 9999 boots on the floor I don't want to sit it out. Last sight. Yeah. That is the closest thing. And that is like, really kind of, pushing it with a second hand visits of the Queen and stuff like, but, yeah, apart from that, I've not really like.

00:49:50:22 – 00:50:18:14
How do you feel about Harry and Meghan? That kind of, Because it's it's it's a massive thing. And it has been for years within the. Well, I mean, with the country, the press, the worldwide press. Like, do you feel like they've acted like knobs? Do you think that the attention that they that Meghan's got is deserved?

00:50:18:19 – 00:50:43:15
The feel? I'm looking at you and I know you don't care. Oh you don't. No no no no I said no I'm telling you how I feel. I do find her immensely irritating. Yeah. Like I'm kinda with Piers Morgan on this now. I mean, I'm not because he's like, he went too far. Like digging up her dad and not picking him up because he ain't dead, but, like, is he dead?

00:50:43:17 – 00:51:09:05
And like, the. Yeah. Sort of bringing that up. And I just thought I was just like, unnecessary from him. But she's a fucking spang. And she, she's just there's just something intensely irritating about her, and. Yeah, that fucking podcast. Yeah, I was, Yeah. For that fuckin. Yeah, yeah, I haven't we yet. I haven't got my book deal yet.

00:51:09:10 – 00:51:33:06
The power of yet. How about you fucking run in front of a troll lorry? Yeah. So they her decision making and that sort of stuff I find irritating. I don't really give a shit about, like, the infiltration into the royal family or the dilution of it. But you're you have a job when you become a royal, which is what isn't.

00:51:33:08 – 00:51:55:20
This is why I would never swap my life with theirs. You have to do. But you do have to behave in a certain way. There is an etiquette to be a part of the royal family and, the lifestyle they want to live. They, you know, they weren't able to do that. And which is why they've been kind of disbanded or what do you call it, excommunicate, which is when they receive no money, no protection, nothing, no legal protection.

00:51:55:20 – 00:52:28:18
They're on their own now. But then you look at what happened with his mum and how they were treated. I wonder, he thinks a bit like, fuck you lot. He's mum. He's my. That was like. It's horrendous what those two kids went through, losing your mum in that way in such a violent way. She's already been you know, they've gone through the divorce and you know, being bearing witness to a, marriage that wasn't based on love.

00:52:28:20 – 00:52:56:02
You know, kids pick up on all of that stuff. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, they. I'm no wonder they took it. Took it pretty badly. And how public it was obviously. Yeah. Well, I know everyone's trying to get their, you know, pound of flesh with stories and photos and hounding and stuff like that. See how I remember for years after, like people trying to get stuff out of them and how they feared and, and all that.

00:52:56:02 – 00:53:18:06
I just think, man, is fucking imagine having to be that, that focus about the way that your mum died, let alone that she's that she is dead and the way that it happened. And it's just kind of on top about that all the time. It would fucking drive you to be like, yeah, and I don't, I don't want this for my kids.

00:53:18:11 – 00:53:41:08
No, of my, my wife whatever. No one wants to experience them. Mother dying. It's something most of almost all of us will have to deal with at some stage in our lives. But the way she went and the public energy around it that just did not go away for weeks and weeks and weeks, and the funeral that was so, you know, watched the world around and it was easy to forget.

00:53:41:08 – 00:54:12:21
The two kids had lost their mum. And where it is gone, where where where were you when Diana died? Oh, she died on my birthday. So reading my 16th and I went down and I went downstairs, to see my dad, and he went, Diana's dead. And I was like, right, I'm 16. I'll give lesser shit than I did.

00:54:12:21 – 00:54:36:20
Now, how long do I have to wait? Until asking for my presence? I've got to be here now. Oasis CD for that on that, the lovely, So you could tell I was happy about that. That's where I was when I found out. Yeah, I was, I was in I was my dad. I went down to my dad.

00:54:36:20 – 00:55:00:21
My dad was in bed with his wife, and, I sat down, he went, Diana's dead. That was it, buddy. Well, it was you. I was, I was in Spain, eminence. Yeah. Came back, came into the front room. Nance. Glued to the telly, tears rolling down my face. Yeah. What's the matter with you? Diana is dead. What side of the family is it?

00:55:00:21 – 00:55:27:12
Your side? No. Diana. Diana, I don't know where. Diana. Nan. What? You got it? She's got. Look at the telly and looking at the telly. Is that. Oh, fuck. And then picking up. Obviously Diana's dead. That's that's really awful. And then that scene that, you know, the tragedy of how it happened and picking through the pieces of that scene, the photos of the car and all that, it's like, fuck me.

00:55:27:12 – 00:55:53:19
This is actually this is really bad. This is mental. My nan was devastated, as you can imagine, that that sort of generation would have been in the big way. I worked at Woolworths at the time. Oh yeah. And, this went for for younger audiences won't mean anything, but we would sell VHS tapes. Yeah. Woolworths.

00:55:53:19 – 00:56:21:24
That was one of the things that we sold. There were stockpiling, stockpiling VHS. There was a mound in the middle of the store, Woolworths store. There must have been about 4005 pack boxes of VHS tapes. People were queuing up at the door to buy them just so that we could record, there could record, the, the funeral home fucking and read it.

00:56:21:24 – 00:56:38:23
Yeah. And then, because people would record things for posterity back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. You remember like that. You remember back in the day we had we should have talked about this last week when we talked about things that disappeared, but we people would have, cabinets that were dedicated to keeping VHS tapes in them.

00:56:39:00 – 00:56:59:13
And then on the edge of them would be old ones, like what people are taped like 1982 FA Cup final. Yeah. Those are those, you know, whatever it might have been. My dad used to tape Tottenham matches, highlights of Tottenham matches, and I would watch them when I was a kid. Yeah, about the time I've seen Spurs play QPR at Loftus Road on a plastic pitch when I was a kid.

00:56:59:15 – 00:57:20:02
You get to what's his name, Terry Hurlock. And anyway, yeah. So we'd sold, sold loads of those and then what's his face? Elton John came out with candle in the wind. Yeah, I was working. Yeah, yeah, I was working at Woolies, and, I would we sold so many of them. It was ridiculous. We couldn't keep up with demand.

00:57:20:02 – 00:58:02:16
Was selling out. That's insane. I didn't I hadn't even that wouldn't have even crossed my line. I always remember that because where Diana was buried. Is that, like her family? Fucking residency lands in Northampton. The car was driven down the M1, but it came past Milton Keynes. And I remember loads of people going to the side of the M1, out just on the edge of Milton Keynes with flowers and then just seeing, waiting for the car to be, you know, the coverage of it driving down an epic.

00:58:02:18 – 00:58:27:05
It's fucking mental. I'm watching TV of a funeral, of a car, driving down the M1 till it gets to Milton Keynes for me to be like a Milton Keynes hey, hey oh, sorry. Diana sighs. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember my neighbor, my neighbor went, okay if flowers drove down to the M1, fuck. You know, it's like when the Queen died and everyone queued up to go and look at her.

00:58:27:06 – 00:58:52:11
Was it was that right that happened in it? I'm sure it did. Because didn't thingy push in. Yeah. Phillip Schofield sky. Yeah, yeah. Then what happened. Yeah. All that all came out after he pushed away Holly Willoughby. Yeah. She's they've them to know they were Vicky's faves. And now look their whole career was, did I don't know if I remember rightly.

00:58:52:17 – 00:59:21:13
And again, I've always sort of borderline defended a pedo in this podcasts. But I know that you've defended the pedo. You've gone with Piers Morgan. Rick. Schofield technically a pedo. Is he a pedophile? Okay, I don't know. I don't know if it is confirmed because he was a well I mean he met a boy. He said he's definitely like grooming.

00:59:21:15 – 00:59:38:08
Yeah yeah yeah. Well I mean one could, one could assume. Did he bump the boy after he was 16? What do I say. So that we don't get done for this? Well, there's not there. So people think if you just say allegedly. Yeah, yeah. So yeah. Yeah, people just think if you say allegedly, you fine. You can say what you have.

00:59:38:08 – 01:00:00:13
You want, you know. Okay. All right. So my understanding is that he did not have sexual interaction with a underage boy. Okay. But there may have been a suggestion that he groomed the boy until he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know what the truth is, but I don't like it. Yeah. One minute past his 16th birthday.

01:00:00:15 – 01:00:21:23
Matt, get off straight away. I said, I don't know what the f for gay sex. I think it's under 18. And it was that change like it was it changed up to. No actually I always put it up for everyone. I'm 16. Why is it, why would it be for gay sex? You've got to wait. Two years later, there would have been some, extreme homophobia back in the day when they were making rules out.

01:00:21:23 – 01:00:54:24
Imagine. So the Sexual Offenses Act was passed, which decriminalized his prior private homosexual acts between men over the age of 21. In 1967, cut by. I think now everybody is just over 60. Yeah. I mean, that's that's fair. I think that being, you know. Yeah, it does it does feel young. But then I, you know, you use a 12 and you know, nine and I 16, 16 the the magic number.

01:00:55:01 – 01:01:15:12
But I mean, that's when kids did like experiment and when you're at school and stuff like that, I don't I mean, I don't know, I can't really say well, what I would, I mean, if it was up to me and my children now 30, no, six with, none. None. None. None. Not even looking at. Remember, boys. Yeah, I remember talking to Claire.

01:01:15:12 – 01:01:41:01
Go, guy. And just don't just stay away from boys. Just don't have boyfriends. Like the dream. Dream surely is. You. Your girls were into girls. That's the dream. Well, I mean, I don't know if it is. Well, are you homophobic? No no no no no no no no no you're not. You'd be upset if they were lesbian. No.

01:01:41:01 – 01:02:05:04
God, no. Well, you say you're you're no child of mine. Is that what you'd say? No, no no, no, that's the problem. That's not what I was thinking. That obviously you'd want your children to have children, but then they can say, I take that back. But I would say my life, my your dreams have grandchildren. But you, they can like we know.

01:02:05:04 – 01:02:22:02
Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know when I 21 now I know, I know so sorry there's been ladies instances. There are a couple you know that apologize to them I know I know that no I'm not apologizing and I apologize to no one I know, but now I'm not doubling down. That was a mistake.

01:02:22:02 – 01:02:40:05
Yeah, I'm not a no apologizing. It was, when I. When it was coming at my mouth, I was then I thought, you know, it was the thing of. That would be the dream. I don't I think it would be the dream. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Of course. I it would be the dream because men are assholes.

01:02:40:07 – 01:02:56:07
Oh, yeah. Got the creeps. But they also not, there are loads of decent men out there that treat women very well. I'm looking at one right now. I'm looking at one. Well, put a name on the fucking mortgage.

01:02:56:09 – 01:03:15:07
I couldn't think anything of bringing any harm to my wife. I couldn't know or her in her in any way. I don't even want to say anything that might upset her. No, but the amount of things, like with the house, I'm like, I might not need to do that as much as that. Yeah, but but, you know, because it makes you happy.

01:03:15:09 – 01:03:40:05
Yeah. I mean, you got a I mean, you've got a because you don't want to. Yeah. Now I get that, I get that, yeah. How, how is just, just to give me a quick update on the house. Yeah. It's we're many floors down kitchens in. Good. Yeah that's good. Bills are coming. Bills are still coming. Good. Not our not said not say good bye.

01:03:40:09 – 01:04:11:17
Just this is what it is. It. It it is right. We are. I've just realized what the fucking time is. God, we I mean, I'm just looking at a picture of, Michael Jackson's daughter Paris. She's white, she's white, and. What? She looks so white. It's unreal. Yeah. Was Michael Jackson ever black? Really? I mean, I was just shout, I don't I was, no, but was is because look at his daughter.

01:04:11:18 – 01:04:30:23
Like, maybe the, you know that everyone said no. He turned white later on because he bleached his skin and all that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Maybe the lie was that he was black when he was young and I wouldn't have had alopecia. That's the one. But you know what? What do I mean? The, impetigo. Impetigo? Yeah. Is that 9999, isn't it?

01:04:31:00 – 01:05:00:16
Yeah. Come on, let's get this. Ricky, what is it? That poor old Mickey is getting labeled? Well, what was it? It's not alopecia. It's not impetigo. What's the word? You know, I'm not going to get it. I'll be honest, because I would have gone with impetigo. But look. Look at this picture. Look at this picture. I saw a picture of it the other day, and I was like, she is also on the WhatsApp.

01:05:00:20 – 01:05:25:15
This is why she. Yeah, she is. So she got it as well. No, I take no I don't know how you would explain it. She has, European features, completely European features. But didn't he have, relations with the Nan? Yeah. No, no, no, I'm sure that he did. She comes from a white woman, clearly. But he would.

01:05:25:17 – 01:05:56:01
His DNA would have some imprint, and it clearly hasn't. Yeah, unless they he didn't use his sperm. He used another man's from. Whose do you think he used? I probably someone that called Peter or something. Yeah, I've seen that I and I get where you're coming. There is the you know, there isn't. It doesn't really seem, a hint of Michael Jackson in that, no.

01:05:56:01 – 01:06:13:15
Michael Jackson. Maybe it was a surrogate. Maybe it was some sort of surrogacy thing. I know it must have been. Have you seen blanket as well? Blanket? You know, his son? Some full blanket. Well, that's what you used to call him, didn't they? I thought they held a blanket over his face, so he didn't want to be like.

01:06:13:15 – 01:06:46:04
So his face didn't appear in the papers. Okay. No, it's the a blanket as well, I tell. No, it wasn't all. Prince Michael Jackson died playing a fucking blanket. Am I getting mixed up with, Keith Lemon and one of his impressions, I think. I think it was just held over the he's names. Be biggie. Biggie. So he looks more Arab, but they kind of you can sort of say maybe mixed race out.

01:06:46:04 – 01:07:19:13
Oh, that kind of makes more blanket Jackson. He does have a little blanket. I told you. So that they look more Middle-Eastern there. Yeah. Doesn't really but but fine. Like you can see the sort of there's something there going on. Like there's a nice mix there. Whereas the border that's just a white woman. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing. Yeah. I will investigate this over here.

01:07:19:13 – 01:07:42:06
Peter. I mean, sahab, on the. Well, I mean, it was probably. Yeah, I was going to say maybe not for the kids. Oh, no. All for the kids. Yeah. I mean, there is, isn't it's hard to say whether he was or wasn't. I mean, it's like, you know, when when he's gone now we can all come out the woodwork and say, yeah, touch me.

01:07:42:07 – 01:08:13:02
Give me 500 mil. But he needs any Neverland documentary I have. He definitely done it. You reckon? Yeah, I reckon he was erratic. Odd behavior, sleepovers, childlike mentality. So. But I don't think there was like, they didn't fix. In what, bombing? No. Maybe not dicks out. Yeah, maybe. Dicks out. You can't have your dicks out with kids.

01:08:13:02 – 01:08:31:12
That's that's against the law, Ricky. Yeah, yeah. You're right. Yeah. People just walk around listening to Michael Jackson like he didn't do that. Didn't bum the kid. Yeah. I mean, like, if if Michael Jackson's song comes on, would you say Skip? I don't want to listen to this. Would you be like, oh, let's play as well. So yeah.

01:08:31:12 – 01:08:50:00
Yeah, yeah I would if it come on remix to ignition on Wheels, I could do anything. I think I've heard it so many times. I don't want to listen to that anymore. Oh, come on, you still will. If he came on the club. No, I don't. I just find him horrible. Now I draw the line of lost profits.

01:08:50:02 – 01:09:15:09
Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's too much. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I mean, I've got myself down to where I maybe two weeks ago and because I did like a couple of their songs back in the day and I was trying to remember one song, was it called I can't, I can't, I don't know, I, you can't sing its profit song.

01:09:15:15 – 01:09:42:19
I think it was called something like Shinobi Dragon versus Ninja some and I, it's a fucking weird name. Dragon Ninja version, I don't know. Anyway, it was a banger. I enjoyed it, but then, and then because I'd looked at that or I was researching it, looking what the song was called, lo and behold, a little new story pops up of Ian Watkins.

01:09:42:21 – 01:10:05:05
And then that was on my feed, and I was reading into what was going on with his life. His court case and all that. Mate, it is fucking insane. Yeah. Literally insane. Yeah, that is like King of Nonces. Yeah. He's disgusting. He's at the top of the hill. No, I'm not saying all of it's disgusting. None of. It's right.

01:10:05:06 – 01:10:29:06
That is like the worst. Like you're ranking them is number one worst rate. I mean, not Saville's got to be savage, so I was I was bad, yeah. So I was like, two. Maybe it depends upon the severity. Like if he was fucking babies. Ricky. Yeah, I know, yeah, it's number one. The younger they are, and the more you do is the worst.

01:10:29:08 – 01:10:57:03
Yeah. No, you're right, you're right. It's all bad. But that's the worst. And the people helped him. The women in the nurseries helped him. It's like yeah, well, how do you even start that conversation that day? How do you broach the subject that you want them to help them molest babies? Mine is when you read it. Have a little read about it after this is just to kind of get enough flavor.

01:10:57:07 – 01:11:21:08
Yeah, but, you know, I know enough. But if you're doing Top Trumps, he's number one. Like he is the top trump. I would have argued Savile, but, what you've just said there with the babies. But yeah, he went babies I think surveillance. How long do we know what Saville did specifically? Like did that ever come out or do we just assume it was it touching or was he did he doing it all?

01:11:21:10 – 01:11:41:19
What do you mean with Saville doing it? Oh, well, I like a lone wolf. I don't know, was he doing the worst bits of, like, penetration and stuff like that as well? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, really, I don't know. I've never heard. Yeah, I've tried to shy away from that news then. Yeah. He the on numbers levels he'd probably be maybe one.

01:11:41:22 – 01:12:15:24
Yeah. Oh yeah. That's a, that's what I was going for because it's years and years and years. Yeah. And if I know so and MJ and R Kelly who's worth their. You've got to go for R Kelly because he, he was found guilty. Was there it did. Was there a court case about MJ? I, I don't know, I feel like there was in people or outside the court case and they released stuff when he was found, actually.

01:12:16:01 – 01:12:41:05
Okay, go. And in all of this as well, you've got fucking Gary Glitter knocking about Cambodia. I mean that is what's he doing now. Where is he in Cambodia? I don't really know. He got booted out. We know we know that one. Yeah, yeah. If they keep you out of what you up to? He, I think he got.

01:12:41:05 – 01:13:09:11
He came back, didn't he? He came back and got, went to prison. Hang on this. Oh, no. Here is an update as of, oh, that's great. Signatory. It's a stay in jail parole. Bit refused in 2015, 81, whose real name is Paul Gadd, was jailed for child sex offenses. And then in 2023, less than six weeks after being released halfway through his 16 year sentence, he was recalled for jail for breaching license conditions.

01:13:09:13 – 01:13:37:15
Plus this bag. Hang on a second, say, well, he got 16 years and he walked after six. You call it half your sentence that you got out after eight. Good behavior. That's mental. That is mental. It's just something like that I think. Yeah. Child sex offenses. Okay. He should have half his sentence. Really? I'll never understand that. You know, like you get life for murder, which is 14 years and 15 years and then, you know, five good baby.

01:13:37:17 – 01:13:57:15
Like walking after seven. Whatever I turned, I just had a I dreamt last night I was in prison. And that's to convince a parole board to let me go. And I also dreamt that John was interviewed. Bravo for the fighting cock. And he wanted out. He wanted to leave. You were Eric with me? You. So. Yeah, John was doing.

01:13:57:15 – 01:14:15:02
And then we turned up late, and then we got involved. And you. And listening to you. I think you want to leave Tottenham. And Perry was like, yeah, yeah, I tell you, I only playing some. And I was like, this is such an exclusive. I release this on the phone. Some people can go mad anyway. And then I was in prison.

01:14:15:04 – 01:14:45:24
I can't remember what, you know, why you live in these places. You know, he fake, right. The topic for next week was, It is going to be our worst purchases ever. Could be a product service. If you've been to a shit festival, bad holiday, anything. What have you been short change about? What have you walked away from experience thinking fucking hell, I cannot believe I've paid money for that.

01:14:45:24 – 01:15:06:00
I will never, ever do that again. If you've got any stories as usual, send it to lads anon pod at gmail.com and we will read them out and we are going to go swiftly onto something only you know.

01:15:06:02 – 01:15:13:00
What? Something? You know.

01:15:13:02 – 01:15:42:08
Thai biscuits. I was on holiday with my mates in Thailand. It was the night of the full moon party. We were steaming and managed to secure some disco biscuits. We all double dropped as we thought they can't be that good because we bought them off. A random Thai woman. We. We were wrong. They were very strong. The last thing I remember, I was getting off with the woman who sold us the pills.

01:15:42:10 – 01:16:04:20
I completely blacked out. I have no idea what happened. And the next thing I knew, I was sitting at a random gaff at 4:00 in the morning with two German lads, a Thai couple, a dog, and the woman next to me that sold me the drugs. She kept rubbing my leg, so I thought I must have been getting home, getting on with her all night.

01:16:04:22 – 01:16:24:24
We were all mounted and as the conversation went on, one of the German lads asked her about what it's like to be a ladyboy. I was fucked so that I just went along with it, then slowly realized I was going to have to go back to this ladyboy place. I'm just going to have to do the deed after to.

01:16:25:01 – 01:16:46:22
I didn't know where I was, so I just went with her and I moped. I was starting to sober up and I really started to not want to do this, but I thought, I'm into deep hair. And I was too polite to say I didn't want to shag, especially, especially if his dick was bigger than mine. We got we got into a room and I lay on the bed.

01:16:46:24 – 01:17:11:14
Couldn't get hard. Oh. She eagerly started to suck my belly with a there was nothing. So she grabbed my legs, threw them over my head. I thought I'd start eating my sweaty ass like it was a fancy sandwich. I eventually managed to come in an embarrassingly short time, still with a floppy knob of never had post up clarity like it.

01:17:11:16 – 01:17:33:10
Shortly after, she went to the toilet and I wondered if she wanted me to return the favor. So I grabbed my clothes off the floor and bolted out there like a fucking rocket. I walked back to my hostel whilst occasionally puking on trees that I walked past. When I got back, I told my mates the same story, but about the fact that she had a cock between her legs.

01:17:33:12 – 01:17:55:20
And that is something only I know that. Is that Isabella? Yeah, that is it. But, I just love the little bits of detail. The it's the little bits of detail in there that, you know, this actually is the principle trade off. Yeah. Yeah. No, that was it for me. Is was like this happened, this actually happened.

01:17:55:20 – 01:18:16:07
So pilled up. But you couldn't you didn't know where it was. I've, I've had a couple of instances like that where I've taken so much MDMA. I, I've been in situations that I don't know how I got there, who the people are around me, those. That was one time in Amsterdam. But we've taken so many pills and I was just in this house.

01:18:16:09 – 01:18:40:15
I don't know how I got there and, talking to people. And because I was in that state where you're so high off MDMA that you start having conversations with yourself and your net. Yeah, yeah, it's almost like you're disassociated from here. You you are. Yeah. And then you're talking to yourself. I was doing that in front of a room full of strangers.

01:18:40:17 – 01:19:10:05
May and anybody. They could have killed me. It's mental to think back the things that we've put ourselves through, the situations we've been. We've done that. Because it's amazing. Right? The topic for next week is I've forgotten. You already forgot. That's it. Things that you, you know, I forgot. And I can't find that the running note. That doesn't matter if you've been let down by,

01:19:10:07 – 01:19:28:14
Yes, I was, but this is ever product service, festival or holiday. You cannot, let anonymous patron to that if you've, if you listen to this now, send in to lads anon pod at gmail.com. And until then we'll see you on Monday. Well, Thursday I.

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Go. Oh. Have you seen the, photo floating about of Bonnie Blue? That she could be potentially a man? Like there's a photo floating about. It's Bonnie blue. There's another photo next to her of a guy in the lead shirt. Yeah, and it's a guy, and they look identical twins, for sure. Yeah. I mean, there's a couple of things it could be I that that'd be so easy to generate by.

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And you would never, Yeah. Go on. What is that? I don't think it is. Well, maybe it is. I don't know, it would be. Well, funny if, all these men would end up. But this is the thing is, it is it does that make them the virtual? That's. Of course it doesn't. Because in their mind, it's ego.

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Yeah. And she is, outwardly portraying the go. Yeah. And they all think she's a woman and she thinks she's a woman. That is all completely straight. And if they think that checking a woman, then it's probably like, yeah, then they are. Then that makes her a woman. And now we're gonna do identity politics, aren't we? Because what is a woman?

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Yeah, yeah. No, she doesn't have a womb, but she. Everybody thinks she's a woman. She thinks she's a woman. She's got the bits of a woman. Although in the little bits that I've seen, you know. Yeah. Of her, I've seen it doesn't look right. But then you think that she's the batter and it takes. Then maybe it would, like, you know, Ricky Hatton's face look different at the end of his career, is what I'm saying.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Someone else sent me a, a news article of, a, you know, woman who was picking up guys from the bar, taking them back to her gaff, having sex with them. But she only liked it doggy style, and she wanted a sheet between them for hygiene purposes. One of the guys pulled the sheet off.

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Turns out it was a guy. Yeah, it wasn't a woman. Yeah, but tackle there. And so? So you think he got dumped for that? What for? Like the hair? Yeah. What's the crime here? I don't know, I, live here. And false pretenses. Yeah. I guess you could lure someone to your flat and fall asleep. That probably is a crime.

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So I'd say I've got. I've got a bike to sell on Gumtree, and you get there and. Right. No bike is just a sheet because you get a refund because the product isn't as described. Yeah. I, So. So at what point is it what point does the man give in between the sheet? Yeah. What? At what point is it a homosexual act when the sheets are moved?

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It's like Schrodinger's cat, innit? Yeah. Gay and not gay. Time. Isn't it? Because he's, for all intents and purposes, like it would if you turned up. Come with you pull. Someone pulled you a club and and you got there and it's like, I want to have sex in a sheet of the fuck? What's weird? First off. No, no, I'm going home.

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Yeah, but I know if you're holding the sheet, if you think it is holding the sheet, if you've had a skinful and and you're up for it, that would be part of me. That be like, this is weird, but it's still going to. You live five minutes away from this bar, okay. That's probably most meant to be fair.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is weird, but this is just going to do it in which you would just go for it. I wouldn't. Yeah, I certainly wouldn't. Probably. On, Well, well. And it's like, yeah, it is like, how do you, you you're not, a heat guy, are you? I would say no. No, I would almost definitely say no.

00:03:59:01 – 00:04:24:06
I mean, there's one thing there's like at 26 degrees in Spain and the 26 degrees in the UK. Two completely like it's not even sunny. It's overcast. The cricket today is going to be sensational. Ricky. Because the Indians your lot. Yeah, yeah. Fucking posted up a big, big opening day yesterday. You know someone up 351 for free. I know you hate all this shit, but that's good though, innit?

00:04:24:06 – 00:04:46:05
351 for free. That's that's in it. I mean it's it's not mental but it's really, it's like going two nil up half time in football that 251 free. That feels like that's unbeatable. Well it depends. But if you want to get into this it depends on the wicket. Right. This is a batting wicket. High scoring outfield. So you know that you can with decent.

00:04:46:10 – 00:05:03:17
Oh all in the always great test. Even England a good good test team. So. But yes it was good. It's a good opening day. It's frustrating. Yeah I was watching it know just slapping the ball all over the place and I was getting frustrated. Right. But it was sunny, clear clear sky. The thing with England England, Ricky.

00:05:03:19 – 00:05:21:08
Yeah. Is the ball swings like nowhere else on Earth. Why is that? I don't know, really. I don't think there is any kind of. It has to be the right conditions. So humid. It's probably to do the air pressure. The humidity in the same reason, I don't know someone who's listening to this will know and I don't know.

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But in the same way that the heat at 26 degrees in London feels unbearable compared to 26 degrees in Spain, it's something to do with the humidity and the air pressure. Anyway, today overcast and if it's like this in London but it's overcast. Second day India got a face the England attack. In these conditions, which are perfect, the balls will move all over the place when the ball about what will you be.

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Will you be indoors watching it? Yeah. As soon as I've done this I'm going to go about. You see, they started going about an hour and 40. Shit, man. I'm going to be out in the garden. Doing the garden in my back garden is. It's not good, man. It's not good that I've got a lot of work ahead of me.

00:06:08:17 – 00:06:31:10
But I'm going to say before I interrupt you about the heat, I, my door, obviously we spoken about it before, and she is going to take McCray on Tuesday. Oh, yeah. Oh, she's going to got tickets in India. Yeah. Go and got tickets. I was just like, oh, my, I don't even know because I had to pay for my missus and both my daughters.

00:06:31:10 – 00:06:49:07
So at the I kind of remember how much it was now. Yeah. Something like that. Absolutely disgraceful. But that's where we're at now. And it hasn't been 100 pound for that. May it's insane. In it. I don't like it when read it. If Radiohead do tour, I'd be I would be like 400 pounds a lot. But it's just like, yeah, it is.

00:06:49:08 – 00:07:13:09
Just seems to stand it now. It's all the prices. Prices have gone up or what? What petrol? Yep. Price. Right. Food prices are up. Tate McRae tickets. Well under quid. Really? Yep. Prices that everyone's got. My wages are not going up. No. Well stop in every now and see my wages up as well. Like football tickets like £6,580 like standard.

00:07:13:09 – 00:07:32:09
It's just like I don't I don't understand it. How does I understand any of this anymore. How do you maintain it. How do how do we I mean, you've lucked out because, you a missus who's now the breadwinner in it. That's. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's making your name off of the mortgage soon, Rick. She'll be home.

00:07:32:10 – 00:08:11:01
No. Good, good good good bad. Yeah. So, like, obviously she's going to see Tate McRae, but she's, She. Because obviously she loves this artist. She has gone back and bought her three albums, which is fine. Bought them. But she's she's bought CD's. Really. She's bought CD's. And every time she comes back from the shopping center, every Friday, she goes there off to school with her mates, and she shows me her new Tate McRae CDs, and she is, like, beside herself.

00:08:11:01 – 00:08:36:20
Dad, have you seen this? They look at the colors on this disc. Show me the disc. And then she slides out the album artwork and she's flicking through the photos and saying, the lyrics are here and all that, and I'm like, this is so fucking cool. She's so, like, involved in it. I mean, it's just like, I remember those days of when I used to go and get my CD, the little cellophane wrap, ripping it off, going through it.

00:08:36:22 – 00:09:01:16
What photos are in there? What lyrics? Who did the photography? Where was it? What was the location producing that stuff. So yeah yeah yeah yeah, I must have read Through Your illusion. One and two boxes of roses. The booklet that came with that, like a probably a million times. I'd sit on the and listen to the music and read the words as, as, as I was listening to.

00:09:01:18 – 00:09:32:21
Yeah. See, that's, I mean, Spotify factual. I mean, it's incredible things. Spotify. But, you know, people aren't typically releasing albums anymore. It's released song a song every two weeks, which is fine. And this is the way that the platforms gone and you're the platform. The medium is the message, isn't it? So the way you absorb something is that is is how there's a correct way for each, platform.

00:09:32:21 – 00:10:01:11
And it changes the way you absorb, music or film or whatever. Like Netflix has done the same thing. It's too much choice. It's hard. And that some some mental films. Because I didn't have a choice. Yeah, yeah. And you'd have to persevere with albums and you'd fall in love and develop a relationship with albums. You think of an album in the past, and if I think of, like Alanis Morissette, for example, I think of my first girlfriend and Jagged Little Pill, that album.

00:10:01:11 – 00:10:22:08
Yeah, I feel like I've, I've lined in my bed. My, my dad just bought me, a Sony, CD player, a Sony sound system and two little speakers. And then it had a cassette CD. Nice. Yeah, they're on it. They weren't one of the most garish ones of all the lights and the bars, I remember them, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was quite cool, sort of sleek.

00:10:22:08 – 00:10:38:09
And I used to sit and listen to that and pump the music out. And you just have to sit there when you're not distracted by your phones, you just sit there and listen to an album from start to finish is amazing. So that's what my daughter's doing. I mean, she's got she's got a little CD player pops it in.

00:10:38:12 – 00:11:01:03
She's really careful with the CDs as she's listening. She's flicking through the booklet and all of that, and I'm like, that's not quite, that's not a lovely little. Yeah, it's a nice, nice little, nice little throwback. It's lovely. I was taking the boys to school on Friday and we got there and he went, oh no. And I went, well it's non-uniform day.

00:11:01:09 – 00:11:20:14
And he's got me fully dressed up in his uniform. In high school, like two minutes before the bell, guys, he looked at me and went, Foxy, please. So he calls me. They will call me Foxy. It's a long winded. So we talked about that on this podcast. Yeah, I did internet dance the other day and I that came out as well.

00:11:20:16 – 00:11:45:14
I know I am, I don't, do you know what? I don't actually think we've gone into the foxy on here. We went I saw I posted a clip on our Instagram account. If you want to follow us at lads anon pod. And it was when you were describing how many different names. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if you mentioned Foxy, I can't remember because Jess in the comments, mentioned it and they will call me thought so quickly.

00:11:45:14 – 00:12:09:19
Very quickly I went I went to when I met my missus, we were in in, in Lisburn in another live and basically we'd managed to I don't know, can I say this? I don't want to go and get me gone. We smuggled loads of drugs over into Portugal. Oh, market loads. How did you do that? I think we put them in,

00:12:09:21 – 00:12:27:02
No, no, we put them in, vaginas. Not. No, no, no body orifices. Fuck. You know you can't. Those those machines, can you? They can do your body, can't they? I think you can. Maybe if you stick you up your ass, you might be right. Shampoo bottles. Oh, yeah, it does. Wrap it up. And working on shampoo.

00:12:27:02 – 00:12:48:14
Well, there you go. Anyway, I probably would never do that again in my life, but in this time I did do that. And, you know, for ten years ago. Right. And obviously, despite the drugs being decriminalized in, in Portugal, it's this not easy to get. You have need some new people. In fact, the biggest ball like I've had trying to get drugs is in Portugal.

00:12:48:16 – 00:13:09:18
Yeah. Like, I don't know, it's just a there aren't there doesn't seem to be a that it's weird in it. But in Lisbon, you know the guy in Lisbon, he just drives around on a moped. But outside of Lisbon. But I'm. It's poor. It's impossible. You're not. There's nothing. There's no drug culture there. Because, well, it exists, but it's managed.

00:13:09:18 – 00:13:25:23
And so you don't necessarily get people on the street, or you don't need to find a dealer because people have got it all locked up there. You like you, you're allowed to carry a gram of, I think it's a gram of cocaine without being arrested. So it's not completely legal, but it's decriminalized and it was more over drugs.

00:13:25:23 – 00:13:49:04
Nick will tell you about this. More. Better. Maybe it was, it it I had incredible results in I think it was, heroin overdoses and sort of aid. There was a bit of an Aids epidemic in Portugal and it with lots about shared needles and stuff. So they just took sensible approach and decriminalized it. So and and you know, just that was easy.

00:13:49:06 – 00:14:15:07
I mean, you said one at one time there was like 1 in 5 people, addicts been exposed to the HIV virus in Portugal. Yeah, I think that seems a lot. That is a lot anyway. So it makes it really difficult. It just couldn't get drugs over there. And it was at a party. It was at the festival. And she, I had a, I had a shirt on that he used to pull girls basically because it was a white.

00:14:15:09 – 00:14:38:24
It was, it was, it was a dog that was on a pin striped shirt. It was a pretty lary shirt, but you get a I remember it well. It's a good icebreaker. Basically. Some often a girl would mention it before I'd even have to say hello. So, obviously that worked works on them then bunch of girls, because I kept pointing at the bloke with the because they knew we had MDMA as well.

00:14:38:24 – 00:14:57:10
So they, they would just, like it was MDMA and it was a fox on it. It wasn't a fox, it was a dog, but it was a mash. They thought it was a fox. Do you have a photo of that of you in, that, I might checked it away, mate. To be honest, I did. I took it in my wedding.

00:14:57:10 – 00:15:16:11
Do you remember how the wedding. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You ever find a photo of you in that shirt? Send it over. I don't have a photo in shirt within the shirt, but I might have the shirt at home, so, I might take of it. I'll never get it on. Take a no. It's just take a photo of it and send it over.

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Yeah. Talking about, festivals. Should we, run the theme tune, get into it. Just just just just to say before we do that, that would have been a lovely segue, right? But I'm going to ruin it by saying Portugal has one of the highest HIV prevalence rates in Western Europe.

00:15:46:03 – 00:16:13:09
On the night, I see, like, Band of Brothers playing tunes high is quite midnight. Waves surfing through till daylight breaks. Rhythm hit us different ways. Love of music that we prayed with our tongues in cheek. Band I we like to speak and yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Brothers.

00:16:13:11 – 00:16:38:15
Hello and welcome to lads anonymous. Is episode 99 on Ricky? He's Flav two best mates. One main topic we answer your life dilemmas and confessions in our feature. Something only you know. And everything remains anonymous always. So sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast. First of all, I want to say there was no quickie with Ricky that came out this week.

00:16:38:17 – 00:17:04:23
We had, you know, we had a nuff submissions for me to be able to do the part, but it would have been a bit more theory as well. And I've said before on here that I don't really want to put stuff out just for putting stuff out sake. I don't want to waste people's time. I don't want to just stick someone out just to say, oh, well, I said, I put everything out on for 30 minutes every Wednesday or Thursday.

00:17:05:00 – 00:17:28:21
So I'm sorry about that. And I think we did receive emails and DMs asking where it was. The technical, you know, issues or whatever. I just didn't put it out. So apologies. It will be back when I'm on next week. Yeah, yeah I don't yeah I know. Right. Yeah yeah. No yeah it is. Yeah. What is today's topic?

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Flav. It's, today's topic. Is it festivals? Yeah. Before we get into the festivals, historically, injecting drug use was the major transmission route for HIV in Portugal, but heterosexual contacts is now the most significant. Hence what I was saying earlier about the decriminalization of drugs and, you know, sharing, you know, it's not just like Dixon fans are doing it.

00:17:55:18 – 00:18:21:24
I was going to say you said heterosexual. Yeah. Heterosexual. Wow. Yeah. That is well, why is it so high that I am? Why is it I, I think that because of the needle sharing issue in Portugal was so prevalent that aids HIV spread much quicker than other Western European cities. Right. And then when you know the virus is in the community and you're not wrapping up.

00:18:22:01 – 00:18:43:02
So I mean, so we've you've got choice. Would you rather have a country full of drugs or a country full of Aids? Well, you generally you've got you're much likely to have a country full of Aids if you have a country full of drugs. I think. So they go hand in hand. Yeah. Especially if there's not enough educated education in young people.

00:18:43:04 – 00:18:53:17
Yeah. Wrap up. Sorry my mum, that, Sorry. Wrong answer. Might.

00:18:53:19 – 00:19:26:12
So festivals. Glastonbury is about to kick off. Yeah. Glastonbury is the only like fireworks on New Year's Day or New Year's Eve. It's the only time I put the telly on and watch fireworks. Glastonbury is the only time that I would sit that the vast majority of the weekends. Yeah, I'd been watching bands with my missus, having a glass of red wine, getting some snacks, and I would discover I actually discover artists that.

00:19:26:12 – 00:19:46:14
So you wouldn't really. Yeah. It is. It's so much fun. It's the best weekend. Like you're right. And it's exactly the same. My mum is is like, she's got I think she's got five days off. Yeah. Oh she's off. So we, we so originally Rick what we'd planned we got mates if you ever Babington House. But this is where it's celebrity.

00:19:46:16 – 00:20:09:04
Yeah. Whatever the celebrity. Yeah. Yeah. They when they're at Glastonbury, they get on the choppers and they come to Babington House. Wow. Which is like in Froome I think in West Baden, Wiltshire. And we somehow we thought we had tickets to get in right now. So we were going to go and watch it there. But we don't have I don't know why I'm telling the story, but we nearly did.

00:20:09:06 – 00:20:32:01
We nearly did. But we that's what we plan to do. But now we're just going to. It'll be absolutely fine. We're just sitting on a sofa, a glass of wine, watching all the bands, and I will sit there and watch it all as a no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, same. And like all. Yeah, like I'll be, you know, the earmarked bands that I want to watch and I know I'll enjoy it discovering new bands as well.

00:20:32:01 – 00:21:06:14
That's brilliant because I didn't know who these people were. Like the tunes then. Also, there's other people that I'm like, I don't really like their music. But then the stage presence and I like what they're about on on the stage as well. So you it is such a kind of, what's the word I'm looking for? It's just you have a lot of, emotions when you're watching these people, because not only that, you're watching bands that you want that you like, but it's discovering new bands and new people and seeing the whole atmosphere there.

00:21:06:16 – 00:21:31:10
It's absolute equality. Yeah, right. Have you ever, Well, I mean, I know the answer to this, but have you ever been to Glastonbury? No. I've tried. How many times you've applied every year for about 15 years. And now I'm the I know what I want to go. Yeah. I don't I feel like I don't understand how everybody can get tickets and I can't for every year for 15 years I haven't.

00:21:31:10 – 00:21:52:04
I get so angry thinking about it. I'm like, how surely I'm, I don't know, maybe this is the fairest way. Or maybe these wankers have set up these sniper bots and just get tickets that way. How can I compete with that? Do I have to do that as well? And is that the future of getting tickets to Glastonbury or any festival is just you have to have a bots to snipe everybody else.

00:21:52:08 – 00:22:18:13
And if everybody's got a bot, what, what? Who wins? Yeah. Do you know, I do think that you have to invent a Super Bowl to beat the bots. I like, I know, I know people as well and much like, London Marathon because I think the, applications were not the applications, but people found out whether they had been accepted to London Marathon this week as well.

00:22:18:15 – 00:22:37:03
And I know people like London Marathon and Glastonbury that have not been given places at the marathon or got tickets for Glastonbury the years, years on years. And you just think after a while, so am I ever going to get a ticket? It's like, what am I even doing this for? Like, you get to stay in your life?

00:22:37:03 – 00:23:09:10
No, I've never been, never, never, never, never applied. They never applied. It's always been, it seems quite spendy, like it needs to be. I think if you go to Glastonbury, it's like a holiday, isn't it? Yes. Because you're there for like 3 or 4 days. 350. Yeah, exactly. All right, so I do know people that just bought spend their way in so they get like special wristbands and then they just they go in and buy a premium pass, basically, which lasts for a grand.

00:23:09:12 – 00:23:30:01
Yeah, I did, because they have those like little, not little bit those types, those luxury kind of. Yeah, glamping. And you can buy those and get your, you know, your wristband and all that lot and that would cost thousands and I'm sure like what a guy. But I'd, I'd like to stay in a bit too much. Yeah.

00:23:30:02 – 00:23:49:12
I mean we can't. How much are we going to talk about festivals. All of my festivals. And with both talking about one we've never been in. Yeah, I know that this world will get round to the ones that we up and. But what I would say is, the idea of going to Glastonbury is less and less appealing the older I get.

00:23:49:14 – 00:24:10:12
And to sort of point where I'm probably not even gonna bother ever again. Really? Yeah, I just can't. I mean, I can't, if, unless I'm in one of them lovely tents or better off not on site at all, like out of sight that whenever I've done a festival, the only one time I've come to at a festival and that was Boomtown and that was hellish.

00:24:10:14 – 00:24:28:02
What? You actually had a tent and you know, all that stuff because my brother was my little brother was playing, so he was a part of a music collective that got wristbands. So he got me a bit. Me and my wife, a wristband. But there's nowhere off site. You can't get off site. Boom. Time's up. Based in the middle of a field in the middle of nowhere next to a motorway.

00:24:28:02 – 00:24:55:17
It's not like there's not much there unless you can drive in and out and get in, and that's impossible. But yeah, we camped there for three days. That was a happy couple of days, to be fair. Yeah. I mean, I say this like this time of my life, 42 I couldn't think of anything worse than camping for 3 or 4 days.

00:24:55:19 – 00:25:14:14
Whilst I'm camping for 3 or 4 days, the food I'd be eaten is look like burger vans and all that lot for 3 or 4 days. Doesn't have to be they. They've got tons of stuff now. The is the AC can sections. You can I mean your choice would be burger vans is what you said kebabs and what.

00:25:14:18 – 00:25:36:04
Yeah it would it would be that. But then also you'd have the, the nice kind of like stuff that they serve up. But again that's got you spending like ten, 10 pounds a meal for a cardboard box and some coriander sprinkled over some of this. I mean like, yeah, but but you don't go there because it's cheap.

00:25:36:04 – 00:25:53:15
You go to like, if you go in there again, this is going to be expensive. Then don't go in it is that would be your probably charged down the food's ten. No no it I would obviously do it. But in the back of my mind I'd better go. This is but it is it can be on top in it.

00:25:53:18 – 00:26:16:11
I mean, I know I don't my brain doesn't operate like that at all. I know it doesn't. Oh, I went Amsterdam and spent on the first weekend of the month after being paid and spent all my pay and I got back and I let my bank out and it was nothing left. I've got nothing left. And I was like, how am I going to do another 27 days till payday has come down in my life?

00:26:16:11 – 00:26:39:00
That was that might have been the lowest point in my entire life that that moment really? Probably. Yeah. Well not really. Well, yeah. Because I was on the comedown. I, I've said this before, I felt like I had fundamentally rearranged my DNA because I'd taken so much MDMA and, and so I felt pretty low about it. Ricky, honestly.

00:26:39:02 – 00:27:01:03
But, yeah, if you did the festival now, does the idea of 3 or 4 days of drug taking, is that not. No. Yeah. All of that stuff is just I. I'm not built for it anywhere. No, I'm just not that guy. You have a Wall Street? Not for me, not for multiple days. No, I'm not like it is the worst thing I could ever say.

00:27:01:03 – 00:27:25:16
It's so unhappy. It looks so unhappy, right? It's just like. Yeah, it's so terrible. Yeah I did yeah. And the thing is, like, back then, I could of got just got my way through it and just, you know, soldiered on. But not not at the moment. Have you ever been to a UK festival? Boomtown was in UK.

00:27:25:18 – 00:27:50:04
Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, that was. It's just around the corner from where we live. It's in Andover, which is, Yeah, like a 45 minute drive for me. I've got some stories and been, like, go on then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you, if you're watching, if you're listening to this, I want to, I want you to go in your phone, open up Google and,

00:27:50:06 – 00:28:06:16
When. Right. Okay. Don't do it yet. I'm going to tell you what to put in after this story. All right, so, we were in this this, this business bit, which is like a punch bowl in, in, in, in the ground. It's like a crater at some point that started hitting create this massive crater. That's what it looks like.

00:28:06:18 – 00:28:24:18
And they put stage down there. Is it is it actually or the. It's just it just looks like it looks like, you know, 10,000 years ago, an asteroid came down and created this, hit the Earth and created this ball out of nowhere, it looks like. Yeah, if you if you put a like a if you put, like a punch bowl.

00:28:24:20 – 00:28:43:05
Yeah. Or a cereal bowl just sunk it into a. That's what it looked like. This is kind of crater. Yeah. Anyway, the, the, they had a big, they have a big stage there. Often it's sort of like drum and bass or reggae or something. I've been times a bit of a bit more of an experience than a festival.

00:28:43:05 – 00:29:13:14
It is a festival, but it's isn't a bit like proper on top there. It's like, yeah, there's a lot of this guitar genius. It's not so. So it's not like a bad vibe, like it's not edgy. It's not like, oh, this is going to. Oh right. No, no, no. The opposite. It's very hippie and lesbian and and lots of drugs and like, open drug use and much when I went much more, just really good vibe.

00:29:13:15 – 00:29:26:10
Lots of people having fun. It was the there's no edginess to it. It's not it's not Redding or Leeds, for example, where there's just like, no beds everywhere. Oh, God. Yeah. So,

00:29:26:12 – 00:29:45:12
Just thought, just as I pause there, my, daughter's going to Redding Festival to watch Travis Scott, of all people. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah. And there's a documentary on Netflix about when all those people died at one of his concerts. And obviously I watched it the other day and, oh, for fuck's sake, Flav. Oh, I don't know that I need to know these things.

00:29:45:12 – 00:30:04:17
Well, I'm here and then I'm thinking, well, it's a documentary anyway. She's excited about it. So she says, well, you listen to it. It's just shit. But anyway, whatever. It's not for me, is it? Right. But listen to it really honestly. It's like more on music, but it's not for me. It's not. It's not for me. It's a different generation.

00:30:04:17 – 00:30:28:03
I don't have to me, lots of surely listen to some Beatles fuck. So anyway, so I'm walking around, and we're in this punchbowl and we're listening to some music and, and I've dropped a drops of pill and for some reason and. No, I know it doesn't sit with me. And I know that's why I don't touch it very often, but I had a spliff.

00:30:28:05 – 00:30:49:06
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it sent me sideways as it came. Does like THC and me just do not mix I feel like, yeah, I had that cake for my mum. Made a day. I was dead. Yeah. So it sent me sideways and I was like, fucked. And then came up on the pill at the same time, and I was like, oh, I know I'm feeling numb in a bad way.

00:30:49:06 – 00:31:08:13
And I was like, well, get me out of here. The one and only time I've worked out on drugs, I think, said sort of wife, you got to get me out of that, right? And I'm walking around. She's walking me around this festival as I am praying it out. Now, I don't even really know where I am. It's like I can see what's going on around me, but I don't know what's real or what's not.

00:31:08:13 – 00:31:24:14
It might not even be the pill it feels like. Now I'm saying it might be. It might have been TCB. It's just like a it's like a hallucinogenic, but also a bit like ecstasy as well. At the same time, it's quite a nice combination, if you like that sort of thing. But maps, I didn't realize that because I was tripping out.

00:31:24:16 – 00:31:43:24
And I'm walking around and there's. So what happens at Boomtown and I've got my missus on my, what happens in Boomtown is that they have. It's the theater throughout the free dates, so they've got a theme to it on. And this time it was like undercover, sort of big brother thing that existed at this festival all the time on your wrist.

00:31:43:24 – 00:31:59:24
But on your wristbands, you had, like, a QR code that you had to be scanned to get into different sections. It was like a dystopian future. And that was it. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't sound ideal if you're tripping book. I mean, it was fine before bits and bobs, but then when I was, I was like, oh wow, this is a lot.

00:32:00:01 – 00:32:18:07
And then there was this. They would do this set pieces. Rick. Where it would, they would play out. It would be like drama. So this bit where this man left, the bit left the like there was doors and buildings, fake buildings everywhere where these plays would take pace for ten minutes and then it disappeared. And something else that happens elsewhere.

00:32:18:09 – 00:32:42:12
It's all part of a big story. And this policeman, it's not arresting this man and pinned him down on the floor. And I'm like, is this real? Or is this is that actually happening or is it is this a play or is someone actually being arrested? I'm praying out and I'm and I'm like, if I'm chatting away chewing my Mrs..

00:32:42:12 – 00:33:08:00
His ear off like for ages and then after a couple of hours. No, no. So we're walking on one bit and I'm obviously tripping balls and I'm looking to my left and there is the biggest fire I've ever seen in my life. And the smoke plume, it was like was in a war zone. It was like an oil refinery had been hit and the smoke was black.

00:33:08:00 – 00:33:33:05
Thick smoke was traveling up into the air. And I'm like, is that real? Is this real? Well, it looks real. Was it real? Well, it looks real. And I'm like, this is this is a lot. I'm not sure. I'm not sure I'm going to be all right anyway, in a couple of hours past. And I was like, Holy, I'm so sorry I didn't stop.

00:33:33:07 – 00:33:55:02
I didn't see your ear or I should turn your ear off for about three hours. I'm so sorry. And she went, you haven't said a word. You haven't said a single word for three hours in my head, I was down rabbit and rabbit and rabbit in and red. Anyway, as I came round, it turns out that someone had dropped a cigaret in the car park.

00:33:55:02 – 00:34:21:00
It was a obviously hot, dry day. Yeah, and it caught fire. One and basically 300 cars in the car park caught fire. And that blow away. Yeah, that was happening while I was tripping out. For real. And if you Google Boomtown car fire, I think it's 2025, something like that. You'll see how bad this was. So. Oh, so it was real and it wasn't part of the fucking.

00:34:21:00 – 00:34:41:00
Oh, man, it was real. Yeah, yeah, but 20 years, 2016, mate. Google it. Look at it now. Ricky is insane. Can you do that? Yeah, yeah, I'll do that. Mate, that sounds fucking. Absolutely. Yeah. That is not, That's not I do. I want to send you an image. I'm going to send you an image or send me an image.

00:34:41:02 – 00:35:22:10
I mean, yeah, that is you. Yeah. I couldn't think of anything worse. So this is this is the thing. You did get there again. Take me back. This is the worst. So this is kind of like, how I feel with, festivals at the moment, if that was to happen to me. And I think going to a festival now, I, I would have in the back of my mind the kind of if I was, you know, taking anything or how much I was drinking because the amount of people and how big these places are fills me with a bit of fear, you know, not being split up with people.

00:35:22:12 – 00:35:46:11
So running out of battery, not being able to find anyone, like that kind of stuff is just a bit more of a anxiety kind of, yeah, I didn't thing I've got to into these festivals now. Like, God, I've just seen the fire. That is fucking insane. That's what I was looking at. So I didn't know that the fire existed.

00:35:46:13 – 00:36:14:20
I was just walking around, tripping my boat, tripping balls. I looked at my lesson. That's what I saw. If you're listening to this, we are post it on our Instagram as well. That is fucking horrid. Yeah. When, my first music festival that I went to, I didn't actually stay either, but I went to Redding and I believe it was the Friday night and Arctic Monkeys were headlining.

00:36:14:22 – 00:36:47:04
This must have been around 2009. Maybe. Maybe even earlier, I can't remember. But in my mind, right. I was, you know, I grown up like music festivals, you know, rock and roll, dude, that kind of vibe in my mind. Ozzy Osbourne and LED Zeppelin, that kind of thing. And I was so excited and I was with my mates and we're all kind of like together and we're all trying to like, we got to stay together, lads, you know?

00:36:47:04 – 00:37:19:12
We don't wanna lose each other and everyone be sensible drinking and drugs and all that. And as soon as I got into the festival until, like, the, the main, the main stage Wolf Mother was playing and there's a song they have called woman. Yeah. And it is kind of like real like a throwback. Yeah, yeah. And I like, I could see a sea of people and it was like a swimming pool of people, and I just ran away from my mates and just died straight into this crowd.

00:37:19:14 – 00:37:56:04
Literally minutes before was saying, stay together, don't get lost. And I was just like, I was so overcome with emotions. I'm like, this rock and roll guy. I just fucking ran into the sea of people. And I was like, this is what it's about. This is insane. And it was it was amazing. And then obviously with my nostalgia of rock and roll bands and what it's like to go to a music festival and stuff like that during, the set of Dirty Pretty Things, I said to my mates, I'm going to crowd surf.

00:37:56:06 – 00:38:19:08
They're like, you're going to do what I said, get me up. I want to crowd surf. So they got me out and we shout out to the people around us, help him. He's going to crowd surf. So I got started crowd surfing. You got you. They just lifted you up into the crowd. They lifted me up, lifted me up into the crowd and said to the other people helped pass him along.

00:38:19:10 – 00:38:42:18
And that got me going. Yeah, come along. You pass him along. And that got me going right. And, and crowd surfing. You see it on TV, you lying on your back, and everyone's like, got you underneath your back and supporting you. And you're gliding like you're on a bed across the crowd. Now, that didn't happen. I was spun round like I was in a fucking washing machine.

00:38:42:20 – 00:39:04:01
I didn't know where I was, I didn't know where up was. I didn't know where time was. I didn't know where my mates were. I didn't know what was happening. And then before I knew it, I was at the front of the crowd and they just threw me over the metal fence at the front of the stage. So I just started, wanted to throw people for you were like, But I'm in a panic attack was always was.

00:39:04:03 – 00:39:21:19
And I know they just threw you over the gate. If they threw over the gate, they're like, you know, like what holds people from that? Who was ever at the front of the main stage? I got to that bit and they just threw me over and it just smashed onto the floor. And I got up and they stormed, picked me up a pointing to the side of the stage.

00:39:21:19 – 00:39:38:05
You said, run down there and you'll have to rejoin at the back of the back of the thing. I thought, oh no, I'm never, ever going to find my mates like, what the fuck am I going to do? So I started panicking. So I started running down this kind of aisle. Yeah, that's adjacent to the main bit where the main stage was.

00:39:38:11 – 00:39:57:10
And I was obviously Barcode Man, and I started running and I tripped and you know, when someone tripped and they're running for like 50m that they're just about to fall over and they just tumbling. And I was just doing that for ages. And then all of a sudden I just banked onto the floor and I was like, how fucking embarrassing is this?

00:39:57:12 – 00:40:15:15
Go up. Got back to the main stage, couldn't find my mates for love normally. Then after 33 pretty things had finished and the craft dispersed and I found my mate and I was like, oh how's it going? And blah blah blah. They're like, I'll call it a. And we were chatting and, and then I was like, fucking.

00:40:15:15 – 00:40:46:17
Now I'm knackered. I need a beer and a cig. So I went to get my cigs out. I was like, oh no. And when I went to crowd surf, I'd had my Lambretta zip up track tied around my waist. In that jacket was 20 Benson Cheeky bag and my Nikon Coolpix two megapixel camera that I'd taken. And back then that camera cost me like £200.

00:40:46:20 – 00:41:13:14
Yeah, so it was all in that jacket and it had come undone while I was crowd surfing. Lost the jacket, lost my cigs, lost the bag, lost everything. And I was like, oh, for fuck's sake, say so you're not aware of what I mean? Where you've got stuff. I'm constantly aware that. I mean, I guess I'm older now, but yeah, but you know what I'm like as well, man, I'm just just in that moment, I was like, I'm.

00:41:13:16 – 00:41:34:08
I'm a music festival and I'm crowd surfing and I love dirty, pretty things like this. Carl Barat like, it was just so much kind of an assault on my senses, of overwhelming, of joy that I just went just went with it. And I didn't check what I had in my pockets and that this jacket was tied round me or anything like that.

00:41:34:10 – 00:41:56:04
Anyway, the day the day wears on and, it's it's England, isn't it? So it's a bit, it's a bit cold, a bit nippy. And I was like styling with other people that we'd met there. And they had a tent and one of the lads that was with me, he said, Rick, I've got a spare jacket back in my tent.

00:41:56:04 – 00:42:13:12
You want me to go back and get it and I was like, yeah, please. I'd be really appreciate it. So he lent me his jacket and he said, about after Arctic Monkeys finishes, please, just like, give me my jacket back. And I was like, yeah, yeah, no problem. So by then I was absolutely steaming Arctic Monkeys. Come on.

00:42:13:14 – 00:42:30:06
My mates are kind of like standing around the back. And again I see a crowd of people and I'm like, I want to be in there. I want to be jumping around. I want to be swaying to the crowd. So I just walked off on my own, got right to the front and was being swayed by loads of people.

00:42:30:08 – 00:42:50:18
Then I was really hot and I was like, fucking hot, man. I think I'm like panicking and just tripping out and I can't get out anywhere. Really hot, sweating, wearing this person's jacket. And I was like, I don't know what to do. And in my mind I was like, this, this is going to be the best solution. I, did this jacket, wrapped it into a bow.

00:42:50:20 – 00:43:13:17
I just threw it behind me. Just let let the gods decide what happens with it. And I just enjoyed the Arctic Monkeys gig being at the front came away from it, you know, after an hour, found these guys again, and it's like, well, here's my jacket. And I saw, I don't know, man, I'm sorry. I've lost it out of lost it in the crowd said that like his own jacket.

00:43:13:17 – 00:43:32:02
What? So he had a night Jack. So he was camping there for the weekend. So he had an amount of clothes here. And so he had a spare jacket with him. Yeah. And I and I took it and. Yeah, I just threw it because I wanted to I didn't want to be weighed down with being really hot and a jacket on mate in this crowd.

00:43:32:02 – 00:43:49:08
So I thought in my mind at that time, just, just get rid and deal with the consequences later, which I had to. And, I apologize for that. Tiny. I'm really sorry. I know you're not listening to this, but if I put that energy out there, then sorry about that. Well, we do a dirty, pretty things guy.

00:43:49:08 – 00:44:20:23
Or a Babyshambles. Grime. Babyshambles. Oh. Did you hear about Babyshambles? But the guitarist, Patrick Walden died 46 this morning. What about what? Well, how? They've not said. They've not said. Be absolutely. Love the hate. Absolutely. Brown. Don't up. Dear. Yeah. The one we saw, play a gig at the open. No, it was the opening. And then.

00:44:21:00 – 00:44:42:21
Boris. Yeah. He might. Yeah, it may have been. I think it was the little one. It may well have been, but they've had quite a few. You know, members. But he, back in the day, I mean, not even back then. Well, respected guitarist and musician. Not like just some guy that's getting up there, but he was like, in the music industry.

00:44:42:21 – 00:45:13:03
He was well thought of and always helped people out and taught them stuff and like, really nice guy. But back in the day, I believe and obviously it might come to, you know like now. But he he was very much a yeah. Not heroin guy. Weirdly, I had this weird feeling about Babyshambles back in the day was that it was just something for Pete to do.

00:45:13:05 – 00:45:38:23
And yeah, it was like. It was almost like throwaway music for him to me. Right. And like, I love I love both those albums. There's two albums in total, right? Yeah. More. Well, all the time. Yeah. There was, what were the names of them? There was one, do you know what this is? I don't even know the name.

00:45:39:00 – 00:46:02:17
And it was one of the songs down in Albion. Yeah. Go. Kilimanjaro. Well, fuck for, But, if you don't mind, I, I, I prefer Babyshambles over Libertines. I've gotta be honest. Down in be shot as they chose my price shot as nation. Well, you're not surprised. Not surprised. Because you know what I. I shouldn't really say it, but I kind of agree.

00:46:02:19 – 00:46:21:24
I don't know. I have a great mind to agree with that. I think if you look at the, the albums two just they're just that in my head. I mean, I like liberty. I think the thing is, is I never got into libertines in the way that you did. And that was it. Yeah, yeah. But Babyshambles really kind of,

00:46:22:01 – 00:46:38:14
I don't really got into it anyway. I guess it's debatable, but the point is to for me, it was like. It was almost like so easy for him. It's so easy to produce this stuff. It feels effortless. The albums, it feels like they. He went in and recorded it all in one take. That's what those albums feel like to me.

00:46:38:16 – 00:46:56:09
Yeah, I think he does because he's, he's obviously always writing. And I think in those lulls that he had this stuff written, but he just didn't. He just needed people to record with him. Yeah. And just to get like, it's like it's kind of like a solo album. But he just need needed people to to do that.

00:46:56:11 – 00:47:29:07
Yeah. European festivals. Yeah. There you have been to one I haven't been to. I've done, I've actually you've been to gone. Yeah I've done, I've done another live three times and Primavera in Porto that last year. So, so not alive I did, I did in two 2010, 2012 and 2016. And the first, Little Pig had listened to headliners for the first year.

00:47:29:09 – 00:47:58:22
It was it was. Stone roses on the Friday night. Nice. It was Radiohead. Oh, thank God. And the cure on on Sunday. I mean, that is like when you said when like, the thing about Glastonbury is you before you buy the ticket, this is right before you buy the ticket. You don't know who the headlines are. You don't know who the main, the main people are.

00:47:58:22 – 00:48:24:08
You buy it. Yeah. And then whoever's there is, there. But like when you're when you've bought a ticket and you know who's headlining and the main bands are going to be, I mean, that is a fucking hell of a lineup. And when I say that about the pain, paying the money for the ticket, that's that's fine. If you're watching this as a as the, main acts, you know, I mean.

00:48:24:12 – 00:48:49:05
Yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, if you, you would pay 100,000 pound a night to and then the tickets were not euros, but then like, but then was alive. Life was, was the best. Best I think the best best. The best festival on earth. It was cheap. Not many people knew about it. It was too busy the last time I went in.

00:48:49:05 – 00:49:17:11
20. When do we go? 2018. Did I say so? I went 2012, 2014, 2018. That's what went, they that it was too busy. It was, it was rammed like oversold. It, it felt like and it was just the price of it was completely different. And then and then when we went in, I never even heard of it, to be honest, when we went into, 2014, which is the year I met Olly over there.

00:49:17:13 – 00:49:42:05
Yeah. Oh, that was Arctic Monkeys. Oh, the Black Keys, Libertines headline. Oh, God, I know, oh I watch. Yeah. And you had subtracts. Jamie Execs was playing elbow the Eels Ben Howard. It's such a great lineup but it was small is only three stages. That was it. Yeah. And he didn't stay. We stayed in their lovely little apartment.

00:49:42:05 – 00:50:03:14
It's. And leaving noz and leaving Primavera is a walk. It's a two minute walk. And you're out in the festival leading to the streets. So Glastonbury, it's like a fucking for our mission. In and out. And like, now if, if we're going to pick a festival, it's it's somewhere. Somewhere in Portugal. Primavera was perfect that we saw me and the missus went last year to be saviors of Pet Shop Boys.

00:50:03:14 – 00:50:19:20
Rick, may I, I know you love a bit of Pet Shop Boys. Oh, I love them. I like them live. They are something else. I don't know if you've ever seen them, but what happened I I'd happily me and you go to go and watch a mini gig reading anyway. Yeah, yeah we, we do a little road trip anyway.

00:50:19:20 – 00:50:38:06
You want to go? Oh, I'll go and watch them with you 100%. It was one of the best life gigs I'd seen. And, you know, all the songs, you don't realize you know more. Yeah, but the outside voice is so good. Neil Tweedy and the action levels are incredible, and it sounds incredible. And it's like, this is a great way to spend 90 minutes.

00:50:38:08 – 00:50:55:23
See that? That's not that's what you want in it. That's what you want to festival. Didn't you even go? Did you go to Croatia, to a festival am I making. Oh yeah. Yeah we did. Yeah I forgot about our. And that was, Sun Star. Yeah. And we saw. So we traveled to Croatia. We had a week in Croatia.

00:50:55:23 – 00:51:18:11
My missus somehow squeezed in a two day festival, coach trip to the Fitz Lakes, which is like a national park. Then we went down to Zadar. We saw about four different cities, like holidays. And my misses are not holidays adventures. There are, I should pretty quiet you street Rick, I think you I was literally about to say that is my kind of woman.

00:51:18:13 – 00:51:43:16
We would like probably for holidays. We should swap. Yeah, absolutely. You can't just sit on the beach or in a bar and you should get off in your fucking adventures. Although, I've got to say, I've got to say it was. It was the best holiday I've ever had. I loved it, it was amazing. That sounds amazing. Yeah, but we saw prodigy in Croatia and, I can't remember who the second night was.

00:51:43:16 – 00:52:03:10
Oh, Fatboy Slim so good. Oh, my God, that would have been fucking amazing. Yeah. And there was, I would say this was built around a lake, this festival. So I would say there couldn't have been any more than 5000 people. 6000 people there. It's wicked. After all this festival chat, I'm kind of changing my mind.

00:52:03:15 – 00:52:22:04
Yeah, let's do one. In a foreign country, the cheaper. Yeah, yeah, the cheaper you get, like 2 or 3, 4 or 5. Very little. All the out of it might hundred and ten. Whereas Glastonbury you, you're down 15 under two grand probably. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You're paying for the name it you. But the tax by the time you fly over there you've seen some good music.

00:52:22:04 – 00:52:41:08
Weather's amazing. No rain, no mud. Yeah. Oh great food. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Lisbon and Porto. I've probably two of my favorite cities. I know Porto is for me right now. Number one, I want to go back to Porto. I've never, never been Porto. Number one, I'd like. Yeah. If you say, what do you want to do for a weekend?

00:52:41:08 – 00:53:00:08
If you said less flights, Porto for a weekend, I'll be like, well, up for that, is it? It's, well, nice. So you go to the festival, you go there about 6:00 at night, you get home about two in the morning, you go to bed, you get up, you may be done, get some breakfast or whatnot. Maybe go time out.

00:53:00:10 – 00:53:20:01
They've got a time out square in Lisbon, which is amazing to drink red wine. And they've got all these discounted, high quality food market stalls and you just challenge your fancy bit of fun with my beard. My might want a bit of pizza, you might want steak, and you just go out and get it and sit down. More red wine and then caps at a festival and you go again, mate.

00:53:20:01 – 00:53:43:11
It's a dream. Oh, it's a time you start to. I start to waver a little bit on my day. Free. I'm not. I'm a little bit ropey now. But mate, that's the one, that's the one, that's it, I am. I went to my cousin's stag day and we went to Sonar Music Festival, and that was in Barcelona. And it was, it was it was hot.

00:53:43:13 – 00:54:08:11
It was, it was very good. But when I was going there, oh, it was kind of a bit apprehensive because it wasn't my kind of music. It was I can't even describe the kind of music that it was. Dance music. More to to that. And there wasn't any like, you know, oh, I am looking for bands when I go and, you know, when I look at the lineup, I'm like, where's where's Libertines?

00:54:08:11 – 00:54:37:12
Where's Arctic Monkeys? And everyone's like, it's not that festival. And I'm like, no, yeah, I haven't, I don't understand or haven't read any of those names in my entire life. But when we were, we had this massive, villa that we rented and a pool, massive barbecue area. So during the day when it was hot and sunny, we were just chilling by the pool and eating, but we were blasting out all the music that was going to be there.

00:54:37:14 – 00:54:59:08
And there was a I don't know if you call them a band, you know, but that they were called moderate and everyone was like dialed in to go and see moderate and to hear, a specific song. So we kept playing this song and kept playing it and playing it. And then when we got to this festival, we had night tickets.

00:54:59:08 – 00:55:21:09
Right? So you got there at 9:00, you checked in at nine in the evening, and then you go home like fucking seven in the morning. So you can imagine what kind of like it was like at night time. Would you remember the song moderate? Off the top of my head. More like. No. Hey, let me, I'll find it.

00:55:21:09 – 00:55:37:18
Hang on a second. So. So, Yeah, because I could play a bit so people can know the vibe. What? You listening to? Right. Okay, I have a second. I'll find it. All right. So you want. So. So what I know so far is that you've gone to the festival. There's none of the sort of, the sort of rocky bands that you would like with the.

00:55:37:19 – 00:56:00:06
But you kind of. It was your cousin went into his house and electronic music, isn't he? So. Yeah. So. And you've been playing this song, this moderate song for over and over. When you kind of move, everyone's dialed into seeing this group play their song. What was the song called? I think it was called Bad Kingdom. I'm pretty sure it's called bad or so I want to play.

00:56:00:09 – 00:56:20:13
I want to play a bit now. Right?

00:56:20:15 – 00:56:40:24
Here she pretends no one's gonna shatter tears. No need to shout. Just to stay. The things.

00:56:41:01 – 00:57:16:23
Bay, that is pukka. I might have apparently band only crew, let's call it. Yeah, me. And so we were like, listen to this. Have a band, drink. Like, oh, acts drinking and stuff like that. And we managed to locate some, some beans. So it was that right before moderate comes on, I'm going to do this bean. So did the bean, needed, needed to drop a little dirt snake as it is as it appeared after dropping this bean came out and like, you know, when you know, when you you're, coming up on it, not real hard come up.

00:57:16:23 – 00:57:32:18
And I was like, I need to splash some more of my face to get myself back in the game. And then came out and everyone was like, right, got a drink? And then it was that moderate time. And then when that came on, that kind of euphoric feeling of being with everyone. Yeah. And everyone's like, oh my God.

00:57:32:18 – 00:57:58:01
He's like, it was fucking amazing. Utterly amazing. And it's not my kind of music, but I was so pumped for everyone else waiting for this act to come on and being with everyone I know my cousins makes it just such beautiful people, really nice people are such a great vibe. Yeah, and being at this, festival in Barcelona, you can only imagine, like, how great it would be.

00:57:58:01 – 00:58:23:02
And like, lads listening to this in the sun, there's music, laughter. There's no fucking drama. There's no bad vibes. It's no, you know, alpha males trying to be wankers and all that. Like it was just everyone that love and caring and kindness and all that stuff for each other. It was, I absolutely call it a that's a that's hard thing to capture outside of a festival like you can.

00:58:23:02 – 00:58:43:08
Yeah, but that sort of the sun beaming down at a certain time. I know you were the light, at night session, but I think thinking back to when I was alive in 20 2012, right. There was a moment. And I don't think I've ever felt contentment like this moment where we were in the back. It was the sun was going down.

00:58:43:08 – 00:59:07:01
So it was probably around 9:00, 8089 at night. And it reached a level where at like this beautiful orange glow was over everything. The sun was still up, but it was an orange glow over it, over everything. And I'd obviously taken a pain and like, yeah, there is a common denominator right. But if you had, if you had all of the, if you have all of the attributes sprinkled in.

00:59:07:01 – 00:59:33:19
So a little bit of MDMA great mates. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sun hitting at the right spot and then this great, this song that I've been waiting to hear which is no kind words by Maccabees. And it came on and I was like, this is the best. I'm never going to feel this good ever again. Let me play a bit of that so people know, yeah, please take because I like that.

00:59:33:21 – 01:00:17:03
Dear friend of mine has broken his human broke from tradition. Broken his vision of the future. La la la la. No no no no. Dear friend of mine is testing his body. Tempting disaster. Testing water. Within a month, the sculptor. Allo allo allo. Not alone. To go to someone like such an they've reformed Maccabees. Are you going to go and see him?

01:00:17:05 – 01:00:37:17
I'd love to. They would play. They're playing. All Points East is a day festival. Victoria Park. Yeah. But I don't have anyone to go with. No, we've seen like, because we've seen, I've seen them about six times. Yeah. I think I've kind of met Mrs.. Like them. But I think the sick time is probably like enough for her.

01:00:37:17 – 01:00:55:01
Yeah. I've, I've got the same with the streets. Like if it's on the tour and I just want to go and everyone's like we've, we've seen them like how many times and I've got no one to really go with. It's the thing with this Oasis stuff. Now let's come round. Yeah, I'm speaking to, but I'm just all of our mates who did get tickets all like, I'm not really that bothered now.

01:00:55:01 – 01:01:11:14
The excitement's worn off. I'm, Really? It doesn't bother me that I don't have a ticket. Oh, I don't feel any kind of FOMO. So does it. Yeah, but I want to see the band. But what is it that. Yeah. But if because I said there's a there's a few things because I've seen them so many times.

01:01:11:16 – 01:01:29:05
When we went to. And, this is no kind of, barometer of how the gigs going to go, but, you know, when when Anthony. Joshua. Yeah. And Liam came out and, you know, it wasn't built for, doing an Oasis gig or whatever, but when I heard it, I was like, it wasn't really. Did you?

01:01:29:06 – 01:01:44:01
It wasn't. Was the was a no emotional shift. And it was the sound was terrible, but sound was terrible. Yeah, but that's not on him. Probably. Or you. No, it's not, it's not, it's it's not. And that's why I don't want to kind of pinch you get a ticket right now I didn't. Oh no no no Oasis tickets.

01:01:44:01 – 01:02:04:09
No Oasis tickets. So I mean, the only reason why I really want to go, and I'd love to go is to take my missus because she's never seen Oasis. So that's that. That's all you see and all you see and what you all see. An oasis? Yeah, but, like 15 years older. Yeah, like a lot of it's going to be.

01:02:04:11 – 01:02:22:09
I think I might be wrong, but I think a lot of it is going to be running on nostalgia. Yes, 100%. That's why I'm kind of like, you know, when the tunes come on, you'll probably barely be able to hear it anyway because everyone's singing up top, which is fine. And it is going to be a pure vibe.

01:02:22:09 – 01:02:40:14
Stay, as a point of to say, Teen Oasis at their peak and how it sounds and all that, like I'm. Yeah, I'm not at all kind of, got any fame out of that? The only. Yeah. The only bit is that I'd like to go with the misfits, but I reckon closer to time you'll be able to get to us.

01:02:40:14 – 01:03:11:09
If you wanted to go up to. I think that's. I think that's what I am. I'm kind of like angling for. I think that's what I'll probably do. So it's piss me off. Like Glastonbury Festival. Well, Maccabees are playing, but they're like, they're playing on Sunday, which is fine. But then, like, you can barely read the name on the poster and I'm, hang on a second, because I can read Olivia Rodrigo's name because it's the biggest one on there, and not even in the same ballpark in my.

01:03:11:11 – 01:03:33:19
Yeah, yeah, it's I guess, yeah, we are. We are getting out. I do that. I said, when I look at the times, I'm like, why do you can't even fucking play? They get him on that stage, man. Yeah. Can I have a Biffy Clyro fuck me the fuck off. Biffy Clyro categorically are the worst guitar band there has ever been.

01:03:33:21 – 01:03:43:17
Yeah yeah yeah some shit, yeah, I take that. Great. I don't know anyone who's into him. I don't know anyone.

01:03:43:19 – 01:04:09:05
Like that ever. Did you know what vibe Z Denzel Curry I love about Denzel Curry I it I have no idea. You know. No, Denzel Curry's got, he's kind of like, I guess it's probably in the same ballpark as Travis Scott. Actually, to be fair, no, I'm slightly more. I'm just angry of him because I watched the documentary and he didn't take care of people.

01:04:09:07 – 01:04:37:17
Yeah. That is, listen to the album. If you don't like this album, you won't like any of them. Good. Or is it is rubbish, rubbish podcast in, from from the fucking name of it now first one tattoo. Tattoo. No. Imperial. Imperial related to Imperial. Anyway. Then you'll carry Imperial. Yeah, right. We're going to jump on now.

01:04:37:17 – 01:05:00:18
But having listened to this podcast, I've got mad fame. I of go to a music festival brought in in Europe. Yeah. And 20, 2060. Yes, yes. Yeah, for sure. I'll get my missus on it. We've got to finish the house and then we can start. We can potentially spend some money that isn't on fucking fixing an old house that wants to fall down.

01:05:00:24 – 01:05:25:10
Let's all this house wants to do it all done. It's all it wants to. Just let me go. I can't let you go. You're very expensive. Stay up. I'm leaving you for ages. God bless you, man. Fuck. You know, but we are going to be jumping into. We've got a dilemma this week and something I. You know, the topic for next week is episode 100.

01:05:25:12 – 01:05:44:10
And I thought, because it's episode 100, let's have a bit of fun. Let's not get too serious. We've had so many emails of this over, since we've started, lads and on, and I think it's time to kind of get the monkey off our back with it. So we're going to do a whole episode of Would You Rather?

01:05:44:12 – 01:06:10:23
And we want to hear your, you know, that most disgusting, soul searching, chin scratching, thought provoking, would you rather questions. And because it's episode 100, right? If you want to have your name read out on the pod for sending in this monstrosity, I know it's Lads Anonymous that feel free to say read this out and read my name out.

01:06:11:02 – 01:06:37:15
So we will for episode 100 will read your name out along with your would you rather? And Flav and I will do our best to answer every single one as as as best as we can. Let's get some. Let's get dark. Yeah, let's get, Yeah, let's get really dark. Let's get really the the dilemma is called cut out and something on, you know is right.

01:06:37:17 – 01:07:15:04
I'm off to die over now, which is an absolute bell. So we're going to go into dilemmas. Oh. Just you got an issue for a tissue. You're a big fat cat. We'll give you a can in your soul alone in your flat. Please talk to Vicky Flanagan. Let not stress off your chest. Well, friend, you deserve like you're safe here to get nice warm between breaking your and.

01:07:15:06 – 01:07:34:14
Cut out. I gave up booze almost two years ago. After a major health scare and some realizations about my life and dreams of the set health scare. I've just turned 28, and I'm now living in a new country, speaking a new language and working in a career that's genuinely rewarding. I'm at peace with myself in the world.

01:07:34:16 – 01:07:54:22
These are all things I used to dream about, and honestly, none of it would would have been possible if I'd kept drinking and using. Which brings me to my dilemma. After I left the UK, quite a few of my friends cut contact for no reason. I was even cut from the group chat with without being told why I can't help.

01:07:54:24 – 01:08:21:18
I can't help but wonder if it's that tall poppy syndrome thing. Brits some think Brits have where people don't like seeing their mates do. Well or change direction. On top of that, one of those might still owes me £400 and it's ignored all my messages about it. Now in three months I'll bet my mates wedding in Norway this May is one who's been supportive and sound since I left.

01:08:21:20 – 01:08:40:23
It's the first time I've returned to Europe, and the first time I'll be seeing all of them since I left the UK will be staying at the same hotel and spending a lot of time together. It's weird, to be honest. I already feel a bit out of place and the only one who doesn't drink, and I'm not sure how to handle the whole situation.

01:08:41:00 – 01:09:02:14
The tension, the money, the energy all around there. What would you do in my shoes? I also wanted to say, wanted to say, good on both of you for making positive changes regarding your lifestyles and self-improvement. As guys, it's something we should all be encouraging each other to do more. I'm here if you need any advice about it.

01:09:02:16 – 01:09:24:04
Say, I think God, he's been cut from the group chat with the lads that I used to knock about with. No one's told him why. Yeah, one of his mates owes him 400 large. Fuck him straight away. Guy. I'm coming over. I need can you bring that money with you? But you owe me £400, and then he's going to be spending a lot of time in a hotel.

01:09:24:09 – 01:09:43:15
A wedding with them. Oh, yeah. That's why it needs to be sorted before you go so. Well. Yeah, that's a good idea, actually. Well, I think you need to address it. So, you know, you let me free up £400, and that's a lot of money. Yeah. The principles there. I know I've been cut out of this friendship group for some reason, but money is money management.

01:09:43:17 – 01:10:00:12
Yeah. This is it's a principle thing I need. I need you to give me that £400 back. Otherwise you means you think nothing of me at all. And, man, it's going to be awkward, but you just got to grin and bear it. I don't know, you can't control what other people do. You can only control how it makes you feel.

01:10:00:14 – 01:10:24:23
Yeah, and if it's amazing that when you stop drinking, how many of your relationships and friendships disappear? And not because, it's not because it's like a conscious decision how he doesn't drink. So we don't want him around anymore. You just realize that the thing that was connecting you all these years was alcohol. In the pub. And if you take that away, you realize the friendship isn't there.

01:10:25:00 – 01:10:48:18
And that doesn't mean that they're not friends. It just means there's different people serving different purposes in your life. Right? Yeah. Ricky and I don't see each other now. I've got another relationship doesn't revolve around alcohol at all. So that wouldn't be affected by it. But I've got other friends who if I didn't drink, I think within a year I'd probably never speak to them again.

01:10:48:20 – 01:11:11:23
So yeah. And it's well, like the only thing I added in, like, even if you haven't spoken to these people when you've been out the group and whatever else, normally what happens in these situations, you kind of pick up where you last left off and it isn't as awkward as you actually think it's going to be. You'll be like, how's it going?

01:11:11:24 – 01:11:31:07
How's Rachel? It's like, do you remember that time when we went to that prick? Yeah, yeah. That's what that's funny. That's right. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just that the nostalgia trip. And afterwards when you leave, like. And you're not invited back into the group or whatever, it's just about getting through this weekend and it's just kind of riding that out.

01:11:31:07 – 01:11:49:05
And I know you're probably going in there thinking, God, this is going to be awful, but it's always worse in your mind going into that. And when you see them and you're having a beer and everyone's having a dance, you know, on the dance floor when everyone's being silly and stuff like that, those kind of things just all kind of dissipate and go away.

01:11:49:05 – 01:12:04:17
So I think you're going to be sound. But like flab says, get, get in front of that 400 pounds and message that guy and say, look, I'm going to be going and I need that money and we need to we need to sort something out. We don't have to be friends after it. We don't need a group chat.

01:12:04:17 – 01:12:31:21
We don't need anything. But I need that 400 pounds. So that's what I think you should do. Yeah, I agree. I don't that the something I need, you know is well, let's just say strap on your seatbelts. Okay. Wow. Something, you know.

01:12:31:23 – 01:12:53:22
Right. I'm off to Dover now, once I press send on this email, I will immediately delete it. Then I will go to my recently deleted emails and delete it from there. I will then drive down to Dover and get on a ferry and Chuck is fine into the middle of the English Channel as I can never be revealed and must remain anonymous.

01:12:53:22 – 01:13:17:16
Can I just ask you, did he use an anonymous email to send this in? Like a I can't even I can't even remember and I well, but I say maybe it maybe did. Yeah. Go. I'm 60. I'm a 63 year old man. I see myself for 27 years. I got when I was 18, I met my first wife, we got married and had a couple of kids.

01:13:17:16 – 01:13:35:19
But when I was 36, she told me she didn't love me anymore so much. I try my best to save the marriage and lived at home with her for about a year before I eventually moved out after about 11 months. After she told me the news, a mate of mine was going to Hampstead, and asked me if I wanted to come.

01:13:35:21 – 01:14:04:06
Absolutely, I thought, I haven't had my leg in over a year, and I still write like that with some of the lovely window box women. I didn't take a lot of money with me, as I knew I was moving out and needed it for rent, to live. So my trip to Amsterdam was on a little bit of a budget, but I was allocated about €70 for my visit to Canada or Cynthia or whoever it might be.

01:14:04:08 – 01:14:25:04
So on the first night I said to my mates, right, I'm off. I'll be back in half an hour. I made my way around the red light district. I found it all a bit awkward and didn't really want to walk up to a door and knock, so I just walked and walked and walked until this gorgeous woman beckoned me over and I went straight in.

01:14:25:06 – 01:14:46:02
There was no kissing, but she was fondling me to get me hard, and I was having a bit of, a, grope with the boobs, which was clearly enhanced. She got me on the bed, put on a condom, and started to suck me off, which was great. She then stopped and mumbled something to me along the lines of, do you mind?

01:14:46:04 – 01:15:02:14
I said, do you mind what she said that I'm a ladyboy. I reached down between her legs and sure enough, there was a tiny, withered old dick there.

01:15:02:16 – 01:15:33:21
I quickly assessed the situation. I don't want to waste my money. I'll shut my eyes and do the deed. I ended up shagging him her up the ass. In fairness, he put his hand over his cock and balls so I couldn't see them. I shut my load, got changed, disgusted with myself and walked out of the place. My mate were asking how we, when I lied, said it is fucking brilliant, but not sure that I'll do it again.

01:15:33:23 – 01:15:55:04
They asked why and I made up some excuse about not feeling comfortable paying for it. Yeah, on reflection it wasn't totally unenjoyable. She was gorgeous. My dick was bigger than hers and she did it. Did have a cracking pair of tears. I've been true to my word and haven't done that again since I paid for it. I hope you enjoyed the story.

01:15:55:04 – 01:16:18:03
It took, took me for a while to put this down on paper. Write about down to diver now that is something I need. I know you know, this is the point. This is the whole point of this section coming up in this section is just because everybody's living with stuff. Yeah. So more of that that is about all that could be up there with.

01:16:18:05 – 01:16:43:23
I mean, I think that's up there with the bloke who sucked off an old man in a Holiday Inn because he didn't want to be read. Well, what if you got a folder with all these in Rick? What the the the me reading them out of your. No, no no no, I will I kind of there is want I back through them.

01:16:43:23 – 01:17:04:04
Yeah I think I will go back for emails because it might be the best thing to read out the best one again next week. Oh yeah. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Do you keep the emails that easily. Yeah I've got, yeah I've got everything. I've got everything. Got absolutely everything as a good idea today. Yeah. Just fine. So find like the top three I don't know who those top three are.

01:17:04:09 – 01:17:24:13
Absolutely. So the next week's topic is going to be a massive bonanza of would you rather. So sending you'll do your worst deal. Worst lads. Send them over. Send it into lads. Unknown pod at gmail.com. And until then we will see you on Monday.

00:00:02:10 – 00:00:37:15
My kids complain that they get sandwiches every day for lunch. They don't want sandwiches anymore. That is dumb. That is outrageous. I know, I don't want sandwiches anymore. The staple of our great country. I know farmers plowman's, but here they are. Plowman's. Lunch is bad. King tomato lays two bits of pizza. Doorstop pieces of bread. Yeah. Pickle. Lovely butter.

00:00:37:16 – 00:01:03:22
What do they want instead? Like they're going for a fight. Like with kids. You find something they like and they're like, right. Let's buy 30 of those. Yeah. Then they. And they go off them. So at the moment we're buying these kind of pop, right. Pop baked sausage rolls. They're not from Greggs or something like that. Yeah a four pack that they had that they're the ones.

00:01:03:22 – 00:01:24:23
Yeah. Stick them an air fryer. And the girls the other day, obviously they had their sausage rolls for lunch and I was feeling a bit angry. I thought, I'm going to I'm going to have a little go see what, see what it's like, too. It was. It was fucking ring to dike. I'd love to have two, but would you would you stop yourself if you thought that was lovely?

00:01:24:24 – 00:01:46:05
I'm not going to tell you, though, because what we talked about last week. Yeah, yeah. Jiggly got. Did you post a picture of you, by the way? You bought it? No no, no, it's funny you said that because I look back at it and I absolutely bottled it. I was like, you know what? I'm really comfortable. I've posted myself as an IOI woman on our Instagram, but I looked at that file.

00:01:46:07 – 00:02:08:21
I was just like, I cannot you can cannot paste it anymore. It is disgusting. It is disgusting. Do you know what you're talking about? We're like bringing up kids. So it is. Yeah. You it's you get to a point where you just think whatever, they're hungry. If they will eat it. We have to give it to them because kids are nuts.

00:02:08:23 – 00:02:27:16
If they don't like their breakfast, they just won't eat it. And then the alternative is, well, you going to go hungry? I'd rather do that. I'll choose that. Look, just eat the food you can so you like. Oh, no, you like sausage rolls. Quick, give them sausage rolls because at least they have something in their bodies. Your kids will legitimately go, I don't want to eat that.

00:02:27:18 – 00:02:48:02
And I'm happy to starve for the next eight hours. Yeah. At some point in becoming an adult, that changes it. Yeah, it does. Like one of the things as well, like when I, when I was doing the sandwiches and they were like, oh, we're not eating sandwiches. Don't want them, don't want them and I want like, I'll do anything, I'll put anything in them.

00:02:48:02 – 00:03:11:14
And then they're like, right, chocolate spread. Then I want chocolate spread out. And I was like, I can't both. Yeah, I can't send you to school having chocolate spread sandwiches. This is ridiculous. What is there, like five? We won't eat anything. So what's so offensive about two bits of bread? I made, sausage baps for the kids to drive in the other day, but the.

00:03:11:14 – 00:03:28:21
Oh my God. Yeah, but the only. The only paps we had were that they're lovely, Rick. They're lovely. Right? They are pretty grown up. But, you know, when you go to Sainsbury's and they've got cheese on top of the on the baps. Oh. But it's sort of like grilled on to the top. Top of them. Yeah yeah yeah.

00:03:28:21 – 00:03:51:17
No they're, they are like if you like a sausage bap it's just elevates everything to another level. Yeah. And so Chloe's in the back and she was I don't like this. And I went boy it's two. Chrissy. It's too gritty. I turned round I said Chloe, eat that. Eat it. Because there are children in this world with no food.

00:03:51:19 – 00:04:09:07
Do you understand? I don't have enough to eat, but it's starving to death. And you're talking to me about food that's too gritty, you know? Right? Because, like. Like when I was 17 and my mum said that to me, I wouldn't give a shit about us kids. Fuck those kids. That's what I would think in my head. I die in here.

00:04:09:09 – 00:04:31:17
They show me one starving kid and I'll eat the fat on. If I was in that car and I was on my way to school, and you pass me back to, like, a sausage bap or bean like, hang on a weekend. Yeah. What am I getting this treat? What? Not what? I got cheese. Yeah, it's got cheese on the top of my back.

00:04:31:19 – 00:04:49:21
Are you fucking mad, Rick? Imagine that. We say. What you mean. You went on a road trip, right? And at the end of the road trip with some fish in right. Oh my God. Right. Imagine we drove and then out of nowhere, we're driving. I pull out a sausage bob for you. And you didn't know you were going to get.

00:04:49:23 – 00:05:09:21
I would probably swerve into the central reservation system because life wouldn't get better. After that. It's be over. Like, what's the point when you can't ride in this? We've got to do a road trip, right? We can eat. We we have to. We could do a road trip, right? And we can make it at work thing. So, so tax deductible.

00:05:09:23 – 00:05:28:21
Yeah. Well, we get in a van and we record as we go. Made that a lot, a lot. Honestly, you're saying that I'm going to make this happen. But you know, you say that and you don't. You know. No, I will de I will. Do you watch you made such cheap lunch. I did make something happen. I did.

00:05:28:23 – 00:05:58:21
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00:05:58:23 – 00:06:21:04
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00:06:21:08 – 00:06:45:18
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00:06:45:18 – 00:07:16:21
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00:07:16:23 – 00:07:44:18
I just want to, I, I can't thank them enough. I'd be appreciative of enough for them showing support and coming on board, and we hope to see a lot more of you soon. Before we jump into today's topic, I do have to bring up something which is in the shape of a sausage roll. Conor McGregor's hog. He's got an absolute fucking.

00:07:44:22 – 00:08:14:11
You see, you sent the photo in. Yeah, he he he is. It's not a new photo, is it? I don't know, I've never seen that photo. Yeah, he's got a weapon, mate. He's got a fucking or is it pipe Tyson in a pot size. That's good. It's, Yeah. I mean, I yeah, not only is he sort of harder than anyone we know, but he's also packing in an absolute.

00:08:14:13 – 00:08:32:08
Although it did strike me as a little bit like, you know, when you give it a pep talk. Yeah, yeah. Flick the end a little bit. Make it. Yeah, yeah, a bit more presentable. Yeah, a little bit at the end. Yeah. Like when, like, you know, before you had one night stand, you do a few press ups before she got in the room.

00:08:32:10 – 00:08:51:17
If all men will know that you kind of, you know, sort of quartermaster is not a bad way to end sexual situation. So, I don't know, maybe he was quartermaster because there's there's two photos. There's one where he just got it out and there's another with a with a weight on the end or something like that. Is it a weight?

00:08:51:18 – 00:09:11:07
I thought he was, conquering? I don't know, it looked like a weight. Like he was, like, working out his cock. I look both of them. And I was like, where did the cock ring come from? Well, before, that first picture's not good enough. I need to put cock ring on. And he sent it to Azealia Banks.

00:09:11:09 – 00:09:36:03
It just doesn't make any sense. It is. It's crazy innit? Now what? Like I get that he's. That he's probably sending those types of pictures to random. What? Actually, I don't get why he's sending them to random people at all. He's Conor McGregor. People are obviously going to share that photo. No, it's never ever going to be kept between two people.

00:09:36:05 – 00:10:01:01
But then Azealia Banks, like I did, read that there was a quote somewhere that they'd been sending each other saucy pics from like 2016 or something. Yeah, that's what I thought back from back then. So but I mean like and and her to tweet that like it's pictures is fucking mental. She's a bit like not since she anyhow.

00:10:01:03 – 00:10:32:09
Yeah she is but he's even he has like there was some more photos that emerged of him canoodling with some lady on a beach somewhere. Now he is just cocaine is a hell of a drug. Maybe. Yeah, it really is. He's just living the I mean, I want to say the high life. He's a but there is a, Azealia Banks too and say I when that came out, I was obsessed with her a little bit.

00:10:32:09 – 00:10:57:17
And that video, I don't even know. You know, you come in with the same Toto tales where you play around, fool, you know, and I not that they're not none of that like me. You don't know this song. No, You Don't know is really about two, one, two. I know her name, I don't know, I don't know the I.

00:10:57:18 – 00:11:16:16
So I've got to play some now because it's just people don't know. Not going and going.

00:11:16:18 – 00:11:30:23
Hey, I can be the answer. I'm ready to dance when the band. But then when they hit that it get to camera. Good to see you bring that temper into the game. That you should still be in the bit you want to. You can be an angry fit that punk with the beat. And you know what you want to become.

00:11:30:23 – 00:11:47:07
When I'll be fine. I just want to shove that punch which are beaten to the metal. She didn't kick her, which a bit. You come from for reasons you know women get money from in the season. Well, it might come in the evening. It's a bit too deep and I get that. Can't get any. If I just. That can't get here.

00:11:47:09 – 00:12:08:03
I just can't get any of that. But it goes on. But what a banger. What a bang. I can't believe you've never listened to that song, Rick. You. I think you have. I think you can. You can you not believe that? I've not listened to that song. It was massive. It's got 250 million views on YouTube. Well, I must have heard it then.

00:12:08:03 – 00:12:30:19
I must have y'all, you come in with the saying, so? So, tails. No no no no, no, I can't. But the thing is, it's too late for you to go. I've just heard the song is about, it's the sound of the summer, right? What what people what the way this works, why we put the podcast together is only I can hear the music I play.

00:12:30:19 – 00:12:53:00
And Ricky just had to sit there in silence for the last 51, so I enjoy it. I enjoyed it cause I liked your dancing, so it's so good to entertain me. Anyway, I, I was infatuated with her a little bit after that. Was she really in a sexual way or an artist? Why not? Yeah, I've got to be honest, I didn't,

00:12:53:02 – 00:13:16:09
I, I don't really like any of her music other than that song, so I. Yeah. No. Yes, I was Ella Banks. I can see where kind of blank on her MacGregor was coming from. Yeah. Fair enough, fair enough. Did you hear me? I also sorry, I just, because I was reading the news this morning. Did you see, what's his face from MasterChef?

00:13:16:09 – 00:13:33:15
John Torode. There's been a pair of them, right? Fucking pair of ass. I wasn't in the army. What's going on? I'm a racist. Like, you know, I guess there are. Not sure. I wouldn't say that, but the right. He's of an age and he's from South Africa. I that's right. Yeah. Is it Australia? I think so, yeah.

00:13:33:15 – 00:13:59:23
More or less the same country, I mean. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. And so, yeah, a bit racist. Make sense? The other one, fucking Greg Wallace. He's just. He just keep doubling down. I didn't do anything wrong, but yeah, I on Greg 50 people have all come and complained about you. I'm done. Anything wrong? 50 women are saying that you've either exposed yourself or you've said some sexual stuff.

00:14:00:00 – 00:14:20:23
Yep. Not true. None of it's true. But then and then and then it's been upheld. So some of this is true I don't yeah. Yeah I don't acknowledge it. I don't know what it. My brother Ryan has hated Greg Wallace for about 15 years. Yeah. Every now and then you get a voice note from you. And I fucking hate Greg Wallace.

00:14:21:00 – 00:14:44:00
One of my favorite things of, the Twitter area was someone tweeted Greg Wallace saying, can you retweet my sponsorship? That I'm or like, fucking run. I'm doing whatever it was, to, to help me out to get some sponsorship money. And Greg Wallace replied, Greg, question mark, because the guy had addressed him with Greg with one J and he says it with two G.

00:14:44:01 – 00:15:13:05
Yeah. They, you know, you're one. And then the guy replied saying, I'm really sorry to bother you. I'm really sorry about the, the type I blah blah blah. Thanks again, master. That's class. That is class. But that jumped right. Like what I wanted to say. It's like he apparently has said something. You can't really find out what he said, but something deeply racist.

00:15:13:07 – 00:15:42:21
I think you should guess what he said. Involved. You reckon? Yeah, definitely. Apparently he said it in, in a social setting in 2018, 2019. When he said it, the person knew he wasn't being malicious. And John immediately apologized afterwards. This is what like what the report says. And now John is saying he has no recollection of the incident and he flat out denies it.

00:15:42:23 – 00:16:17:12
Now, that's what you're saying. That's one strike for John. And Greg's got like 50 strikes. So you can kind of say that Greg more than likely has been saying some things of a sexual or sexual nature that's inappropriate that he shouldn't be saying. And John has got one strike. This is back in 2018, 2019. Now, we don't know what he said, but I feel like there should be some kind of cancellation rule that you can only go back five years is the code because people change.

00:16:17:18 – 00:16:41:06
Social has changed in five years. Throw up this well it's not. It's more than five years, isn't it? If it's 2018, it's six, six, seven. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I, but the problem is, when you work for the BBC, it's court of public opinion. That's all money. And so you don't like, you don't survive scandal? I don't know if it's time.

00:16:41:10 – 00:17:04:14
I think context is important. I know that say that I would never. I don't think there's any. It's never. I wouldn't feel comfortable. Truly comfortable dropping the n bomb anywhere, I don't think. No. If that is what you did. Yeah. So. Yeah, but I think, look, it's a difficult one because you have this thing with Thomas Partey is like in the air.

00:17:04:14 – 00:17:34:18
As a lawyer, you're innocent until proven guilty. So you should be able to work during that period. So it's like what the. And you've seen instances in football where players have been accused of rape. They've been found guilty of sold the suit. Their football clubs were canceled in the contract. I think the best position to do that is is what Man City did with Mendy was terminate his contract when they heard how serious the allegations are, and then bite the bullet afterwards if they got it wrong.

00:17:34:20 – 00:17:56:01
And it's such a difficult thing to prove anyway that yeah I don't know man. It's a fucking messy situation. But with Gregg Wallace, how where does he get this confidence from that he looks at himself and goes, yeah, that big, fat, bald head is what people want to see. I bet they want to see my cock as well, I don't where does he get that confidence from?

00:17:56:03 – 00:18:20:05
I don't know, I saw I was scrolling through TikTok or something like that and he was on. I'm pretty sure it was like strictly. He was on Strictly Come Dancing and he he squatted to the floor really quickly and his trousers split. They were all laughing and he said, junior, the funny thing to his female, partner, I don't wear any underwear.

00:18:20:07 – 00:18:39:15
She's like, are you kidding? And like, you could feel the mood change. And he's like, I haven't worn any underwear since I was like 17 or something like that. Yeah, it's all like under there. And I was just like, mate, this is. It's all it was. Yeah, yeah. It was just like, oh, he's young. Like, yeah, God, he's in his fruit veg as well.

00:18:39:15 – 00:19:00:10
Lenny. Yeah, he's a greengrocer early. So he started and then he also said he was part of the Millwall firm. He was a bit of a Millwall lad back in the day as well. Yeah. How is he? How do you like. Because the greengrocers I knew growing up in London shouldn't be a master chef. And so how's he got that?

00:19:00:12 – 00:19:24:17
I don't know, no one knows nowadays, but I just before we start the podcast, can I give a shout out? Yeah, of course you can. I want a shout out to a very special person. His name's Matthew Smith. And, he tweeted in January 10th, 2022. The N-word. No, he didn't really. He said the.

00:19:24:19 – 00:19:36:22
He said ever since Bateman revealed he sticks a like like a just a fucking hell. But I nearly choked. Fuck me.

00:19:36:24 – 00:20:00:11
See if you want to see Ricky's reaction, you can join Patreon and see all video but me couldn't hear it. Yeah. So he tweeted. Ever since Flav, Bateman revealed he sticks a leg out of the duvet as a regulator, something I've done for years. I literally think of him every night before I go to sleep. And then three years, three and a half years later, he's tweeted again.

00:20:00:11 – 00:20:22:17
July 17th, 2025, three and a half years later, the regulator gets a mention on lads and on pod, and three and a half years later, I still think of love every time I go to bed at night. Matthew, I just want to. And you're not the only person. You're not the only person who's told me this. I love the fact that I live in people's heads just before they go to sleep.

00:20:22:19 – 00:20:46:10
Because of the regulator that we mentioned last week. Yeah, I popped my leg out of my duvet two days ago, and I literally it was like half 12 at night, and I started giggling because it was just the name, the regulator. It's just fucking us pissing myself. And and I did think of you as well. I was asked to name it, what what if what if you get up that a little bit, Matthew, and just go, can I have love?

00:20:46:12 – 00:21:02:14
Whisper it wherever you are. That'd be lovely. Just muffle it into a pillow. Yeah. If you've got a wife, you better with. I love. So I wrote a jingle. Yeah.

00:21:02:16 – 00:21:29:15
The night hazy like Band of Brothers playing tunes. He's quite midnight waves surfin. Free till daylight breaks. Rhythm hit us different ways. Love of music I we prayed with our tongues in cheek. Bands I we like to speak and yeah, times change. But no matter what the bond remains. Promise.

00:21:29:17 – 00:21:50:00
Ricky. He. Oh, shit. I read the wrong bit. Fucking. Oh, motherfucker. That's fun. Ricky, he's two best mates. One main topic we answer your life dilemmas and confessions, and I feature something on, you know, and everything remains anonymous. Always. So sit back, relax and enjoy the podcast. I was having so much fun. Then I just forgot where I was.

00:21:50:00 – 00:22:03:23
I forgot we even had to roll a jingle. We just got to tune into it. Do you know what the topic is for today?

00:22:04:00 – 00:22:24:09
No road trips? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And you mentioning road trips? Just then I thought that I thought you were doing some linkage. No, I, I just main myself, so I'm conscious, but I, I feel like I want to do a road trip. I'm kind of. I want to do it. I want I I'd like to do it.

00:22:24:09 – 00:22:47:09
Get in the car with you or rent a van. Maybe do some fishing at the end of it. Yeah, maybe record some stuff. So, like I mentioned, like, just get on, like, maybe somewhere in the Cotswolds or. I mean, but it must be somewhere, maybe down to Folkston to see Charlie. Yeah. Oh, that'd be good. I've been researching some lakes down by you as well, so.

00:22:47:11 – 00:23:09:15
Yeah. Have. Yeah, yeah. Someone, Oh, fucking I forgot, you know, the, the fishing gentleman that that follows that. Yeah. Ship I ship I yeah, he, he lives in Laycock, which is a beautiful place. It's a great place. Let's go. Frank 90 minute Laycock like Laycock. Yeah. I mean they filmed some of, Downton Abbey and, Harry Potter there.

00:23:09:15 – 00:23:37:08
That's how picturesque. Oh, English quintessential countryside. Laycock is. Lovely. Yes. Beautiful. Yeah. I've actually been, researching some which call it GoPros and stuff like that. So I'm, I'm I'm ready for this. I'm ready for this road trip. I'm want to get all up in that, do you do you I mean, off you've just said that you are looking to to do one.

00:23:37:08 – 00:24:00:00
Do you, do you enjoy road trips? Yeah, I do, I think, I mean, I've, I've been on the possibly the longest road trip any person could do in Europe. Yeah, I think. All right. If you think I think you're right. Have you got a segment in the. Do you want me to speak about that now, may.

00:24:00:00 – 00:24:24:15
Let's fucking do it. Okay. So this is you can actually go back and watch two videos we made around this road trip. You're on the Bull Street YouTube channel. Or if you type flash drives to Russia, that should come up to Russia. So I works for a company called. I'll put it in the show notes.

00:24:24:15 – 00:24:51:09
Yeah, I, I worked for a company called Bull Street, and one of the last things I did with them was they produced it. They got a sponsored, sponsored deal with Vanarama, which was, you know, like a van. I think, company. And anyway, guy called Jed who was like, he head up the sales team. He's like, Flav, you might be driving to Russia.

00:24:51:09 – 00:25:05:01
Would you want to drive to Russia? And I was like, I'm not really. I don't want to, I don't. What do you mean? I don't want to drive to Russia. Literally. This is what you're going to be driving to Russia. And what do you mean? And I was like, cause in my head, I'm always almost out the door.

00:25:05:01 – 00:25:21:03
Anyway, I'm leaving in November and this was in the summer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, I'm in the position where I can say no to this stuff, but I'm also not. I still need three months worth of work out of this. Yeah. Can't do an advance. I'm not really, mate. Yeah, well, we're putting a bid in.

00:25:21:03 – 00:25:56:23
We're putting a pitch in to Vanarama. And if we get it, you've got to drive to Russia with James and Sam. And I was like, oh, all right, then they get the gig. And so we have to drive to Russia. It was interesting beforehand because we were there, it was put together a package of like guidance of do's and don'ts when you went to Russia because Russia at that time was still there was there's a gap between what Russia is and what Europe is, and there's a massive difference.

00:25:57:00 – 00:26:30:19
And, you know, with hindsight, you could you understand what the 2018 World Cup was all about. It was about change in public perception of Russia before they invaded Ukraine. But none of that was sort of, we weren't aware of that then. Anyway, we, this useless lady, that used to be used to work. We've put together a package for us to, to, to follow and under security and guidance, it said journalists will not be given leeway.

00:26:30:21 – 00:26:53:01
So if you are captured or kidnaped, saying you're journalists won't help. Just written right in a sentence. In a word. Which. Yeah, I'm looking. Is that. Yeah. That's it. We're driving to Russia. That's the guidance. That's my advice. That's why I advise it. Just don't say you were a journalist. What do I say that, So, yeah, we drove.

00:26:53:01 – 00:27:21:11
We spent three days, four days driving across, Europe into. It's not actually. I mean, it is Russian territory, but it's it's annexed from mainland Russia, and it lives in between Poland and. Another country, I think the next country along there. Is it Hungary? Maybe. No, it's got to be a like, And so Lithuania or something.

00:27:21:13 – 00:27:45:23
Yeah. Lithuania. There you go. There's Lithuania. Belarus though. Lithuania. And so we drove there, and obviously that is the one of the ports to the Baltic Sea, which is why Russia never gave it up. Right. But yeah, we drove for, drove for that long to go. So going where, where do you drive from? So you started in London?

00:27:46:00 – 00:28:19:06
Yes. The cross to France. Yeah. When drove down to freedom through Kent to Dover. We got the ferry over into, into France, Calais and then up into Belgium or down into Belgium to Brussels. And we stayed in Brussels for the night. Nice. A bit boring. Brussels. Then we got up the next day and we drove through Belgium and in just to the edge of Germany.

00:28:19:08 – 00:28:46:07
So we drove for about. We're allowed to drive for about eight hours a day. That was what the remit was. Okay. And then on the third day, we drove all the way through Belgium, Poland into into Russia. But the problem we had when we arrived in the Polish and Russian border was the border control stopped us and held us for about two hours and eventually said, you can't take this van in.

00:28:46:09 – 00:29:06:15
They checked our visas. I because you have to own the vehicle to charge to, to, go through the checkpoint. You cannot go through in a card. You don't own. So we I think why, it's just one of the rules is just. You can't you can't come through in the least vehicle. You have to own the vehicle.

00:29:06:15 – 00:29:21:24
You know, at least you have to own the vehicle. Or, like, rent a vehicle. You have to own it yourself. I don't know, I don't really want to track whose vehicles going into the country. Yeah. Yeah, I see, good point. Whatever it is. So bearing in mind this whole video is about this van that we're driving through, and he says.

00:29:22:02 – 00:29:42:18
And the bloke says, you can't, we can't get through. So we're like, he said, you can go through, but the van stay in here at the border. So this poses a couple of problems is you can't walk through the, the, the, you can't walk through the checkpoint, the border. It's not like one in Europe where it's free movement.

00:29:42:18 – 00:30:01:24
You just drive through the country. Yeah. This was separated. Russia was separated from Poland by about a kilometer of what is effectively no man's land. It's. There are gods there that work there. There's a duty free shop in the middle of it. Weirdly, that's not that story. Will that that duty free shop will come into play later in the story?

00:30:02:01 – 00:30:21:13
Okay. So it we're we're sort of stuck here. Right. And we like we don't know what to do. So we call street who call Vanarama and we explain the situation. We can't get the van into into the country. And they're naturally like they're paid for that. They're paying for everything. They're paid for the van, they're paying for us.

00:30:21:13 – 00:30:47:17
They everything's coming out of Panorama's budget. Yeah. And they said, can you drive around to another checkpoint? And that checkpoint worked out. And it was about another eight hour drive around around the Polish border. And it could be that we get there and, there's no ticket. There's no there's no way of getting through. Yeah. What you did you did you drive to the other one?

00:30:47:18 – 00:31:07:03
No. It was ridiculous. Request. We would have got there. We wouldn't have this same problem. So we we just lost eight hours. So we were like, well, the as much as the video is about Vanarama and we've managed to make the video feature the van a lot. And really getting into the city with the van isn't the be all and end all.

00:31:07:05 – 00:31:27:16
So we left the van at the border and as we sort of sitting there thinking, I don't know what to do, this bloke are nowhere comes up to us. I can't remember his name. He was from, I think he was. I think he might have been from Belarus or he might be Lithuanian. Lithuanian. So it was Eagle. Eagle.

00:31:27:16 – 00:31:44:19
How do you know if I. You. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Well, I told all of this on this podcast. No, not all of it. Right. Anyway, Eagle picks us up and like thank God fucking Eagle. You're a legend. He goes I've got I've just got to drive my missus into into into Leningrad, which is where we were going to.

00:31:44:21 – 00:31:59:18
And then I'll come back and I'll get you. And we're sitting there for two hours and we're like, this guy's not coming back. Why would he come back? This is a faff. I wouldn't fucking do this for someone. And, all of a sudden we heard beep beep beep beep beep beep and it's fucking eagle. We were jumping around center right in,

00:31:59:20 – 00:32:19:05
And, yeah, we get in, get through. And he dropped us through the border and then just dumped us, basically. And we had to make our own way into Kaliningrad. That was all was fine, right? We got on this bus. I've mentioned the bus before with these loads of school girls, and they were just asking us questions about what, how how England is, how Russia is seen by Europe.

00:32:19:05 – 00:32:36:24
And it was really interesting. And then we were dropped off and it was good to me like, alright, we have to go to get a cab to where we're saying an Airbnb where we're staying. So sorry. The school bus was, did they pick you up from the border and take you into Kaliningrad? So yes, they did, but they weren't.

00:32:37:00 – 00:32:58:12
It weren't like we were just told that they might help us, I think. Right. And then we got on this bus and there was no one in it. And then again, this is feature in the video. And then all these girls appeared and like I said, girls, I was young girls, it wasn't like that. And, and they gave us a lift in and then dropped us off and that was, that was that.

00:32:58:14 – 00:33:22:01
And then we had to get on, we got in a, a cab. No one speaks English. Meet some of the younger people. Do. And why would they? But not because nationalistic and proud. Right. And it's almost like, who is this fucking English person trying to get in my taxi? And the three of us get in this bloke, and it's dark by this point, right?

00:33:22:03 – 00:33:40:19
And we're drunk, we're driving along and we're driving in areas we don't know it at all. I've got in the back of my mind kidnap. Yeah, sure. All this stuff. And I'm driving Ricky. And I'm like looking around. I look at James, he's oblivious. He's looking at his fucking laptop. He doesn't know what the fuck's going on. Sam's asleep.

00:33:40:21 – 00:34:07:13
I'm in the front seat and we're driving along, and he takes a left turn into a road that has no street lights. And the road is barely a road. It is bumpy. There's potholes everywhere. He's driving really slowly. I'm looking around, trying. Doesn't feel right at all. I'm really. Yeah. He's me. Wear my skin in under 90 minutes and it takes another turn.

00:34:07:13 – 00:34:26:15
And then Rick, out of nowhere, he just bursts into laughter. He's not listening to the radio. He doesn't have a phone on. He's just driving. And he's been silent the whole time and he starts cracking up. I'm talking about really laughing out of nowhere. I've been silent for 20 minutes of the drive and he just starts crying.

00:34:26:18 – 00:34:44:13
It's almost like he was suddenly aware of how scared I was. Yeah, yeah. And it made him laugh. And then I'm like, we're dead, we're dead. And I'm looking around. James still on his laptop, Sam still asleep. And I'm like, don't kill me if you're going to kill and kill them because they don't know that I'm aware, right.

00:34:44:13 – 00:35:11:03
I'm. Well, I'm afraid if you're going to kill, kill them too, because I'm. I'm scared it. And they don't give a shit. They don't respect you. I respect you anyway. He drops us off at our Airbnb. Oh, lovely. Lovely stuff. Right? Why was he cracking up? I don't know, don't know. Do you think he knew that he was playing a joke on you guys and taking down any space to be funny?

00:35:11:03 – 00:35:31:20
I was about to get to the because we took multiple taxis in and out when we were, you know, going to the game and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, that was the way in. Oh, right. Okay. Now I've got part two of this story. Yeah. Going back, which was more mental than, than it was the story isn't the journey that the story is how we got back.

00:35:31:22 – 00:36:05:21
Can I just say maybe we should interject with I'll do the second part in like 20 minutes when. Right. Okay. Do you want to. Yeah yeah yeah yeah that's fine. But just thinking about it. Right. I always think about like, if you zoom out of these things, like as a 43 year old man, British guy that you've been to, like Russia or an annexed bit of Russia, and you were driving around in taxis in a place that predominantly speaks Russian if you just, you know, I mean, it's just mad in it.

00:36:05:23 – 00:36:29:17
Well, I don't know that I wouldn't as Brits, we don't normally go to that side of the world or get involved in that culture, or it's something so alien to me. But certainly since, since. Yeah. More crazy. Yeah. It was, it was nice. I would tell you I had a good time. I really enjoyed Russia. I enjoyed planning great.

00:36:29:19 – 00:36:58:12
I enjoyed the people more or less. And, I, I think it was not what people reported it to be. That's why it was my take home. It was almost like, you know, when, you know, the point is to these things, when Sportswashing is involved is to change public perception. But the reality is, when you remove all the news and all the hype and all the bullshit, when you go to a country, you typically find them to be quite hospitable and friendly and welcoming.

00:36:58:14 – 00:37:22:07
Just people. Yeah, I remember this guy who, it was a YouTube channel and it was I loved it and it was called scene. I think it's called C90. You know, those old mopeds that taxi drivers used to do the knowledge on that really old plastic. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah. It was like they were like orange or it was like a colored chassis, but it had plastic wooden leg protectors for the wind, you know what I mean?

00:37:22:12 – 00:37:40:24
Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Really basic mopeds. And he drove one ladies around all of Europe and Eastern Europe is called C90 adventures. Brilliant. It was like ready rough and ready. Yeah. But I watched all of those. And then he did tours afterwards where people would join him for seeing it on the C90 and he would tour over.

00:37:41:01 – 00:38:04:18
It was almost like a response to do you remember you and McGregor? And. Yeah, his mate, got him on those big bikes and they just. Oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, I love that show. But it was an almost like a, sort of, a really basic version of that. Yeah. So it's still on this C90 adventures.

00:38:04:20 – 00:38:39:24
You're still making videos actually. But yeah, you can go back. Mate. It's incredible. Yeah. But it's mad. Yeah. To say it, to say that I done that and like. And it was a long, and tiring ten days, which should have been seven days. It should have been six days. But it took ten. Know when you were over there and when you're going through the different countries, you was it just a race just to get there and get the job done, or did you partake in any just trying different food and cultures and this and that and the other?

00:38:40:02 – 00:39:00:06
No. So the drive over there was drive, sleep, drive, sleep. But yes, that's what it was. There was no chance to do that. But we were in Kaliningrad for two days in total because we had to cover the game as well. And we and we walk in and in the video there's this bit where people didn't believe us that we didn't have tickets.

00:39:00:06 – 00:39:21:17
So we were in this car. We were driving to England, playing Belgium in the for dead rubber for, the group stages of the World Cup. And we didn't have tickets and there was no way the bullshit hadn't secured us any. And Vanarama had no connections, and we just didn't have tickets for this game. So we're driving all, all the way over there.

00:39:21:17 – 00:39:45:10
But really, just to show this fan off, we didn't. People didn't believe us. They didn't believe us, mate. They thought, there's no way you're driving over. There were no tickets. That's what we did. But did you get tickets? Yeah, we got tickets through Simeon Millinery. What? Yeah. Simon Mignolet was, the Belgian second choice goalkeeper. Yeah. And England were playing Belgium.

00:39:45:12 – 00:40:04:14
Yeah. And I just have a way of finding getting axed. Just apart from things like Glastonbury or finding a way of getting into places. And I just remember that. Done some work for a guy who, who had some connections in the world of football. And I rang him. And is there any chance I can get a ticket for this?

00:40:04:14 – 00:40:24:23
Specially because a dead rubber didn't mean. And both teams are free. And about an hour later he contacted me and went, there's two tickets. You have to go to this hotel and pick it up. Pick the tickets up, ask, say. Similarly, I had left me two tickets. So we went there. We picked the tickets up, but he said there's only two.

00:40:24:23 – 00:40:43:23
And it was free tickets for us. Right? There's only two tickets and we're like, well, at least two of us again. Like it's something. Yeah. Anyway, we get there, we opened it and it was four tickets from the how many? Oh my god, spare ticket. People thought it stage. Yeah. People thought it was just a wind up. It won.

00:40:44:02 – 00:41:14:01
We didn't have tickets and we pulled this off somehow. And we were sitting in with the Belgian players and their families and stuff in the. In the end, you can still see I'm Mertens mum and dad, but right in front of us that's mental. Yeah. Like the again, this isn't as, one of those moments because it's part of the world that is quite, you know, a bit of shrouded in secrecy in this very political when that's it.

00:41:14:01 – 00:41:47:16
That's why that's amazing. But when I look back on my life, I flew with my mate at the time. He had moved to America, and another mate and I, we had flown over to go and see him. So we went to Portland, Oregon, which is the very north west of America. And our plan for being over there for three weeks was to go to Portland, Oregon and drive down the West Coast to San Francisco and then drive down to Los Angeles.

00:41:47:18 – 00:42:12:19
And that's what we did. So when we when we got there, like to I mean, just like thinking back to it there, I was in America. Yeah. Driving in a car down the west coast of America is like my dream, Rick. I think it's not fucking like who. Who is that guy? Who was that guy? It's. It is.

00:42:12:19 – 00:42:35:09
It feels like a dream that I. That I've done. That is unbelievable. Anyway, we got there and his dad had got a new job and he was working, you know, quite well off there. And we it was time for us to leave, time for us to drive to, to San Francisco. And we were going to take their like version of a Ford Focus.

00:42:35:11 – 00:42:57:18
And as we're leaving, he said that if he got the car keys and he said, yeah, sure. And he chuck them over and he grabbed them and he said, you've you've chucked over the wrong keys, that you've chucked me the keys to your Mitsubishi Spyder convertible and he was like, yeah, now I have enjoyed the trip that we were like, oh my God, fuck.

00:42:57:20 – 00:43:25:07
So we put all our stuff in, you know, dropped the top on it. And at that time, what were you. Ludicrous. I think it was back then. Yeah. And we just had the tunes blaring out and it was like driving down the long open road. I don't think I've ever felt as free in my life. That's what it says.

00:43:25:07 – 00:43:56:01
Road trips all round. And it just that freedom music kind of forget about everything. Exactly. It was just with mates. The weather was good, the tunes a pump in the long open road and like there wasn't anything or anyone to stop past, you know? I mean, it just felt incredible. Now as we're driving down, I think the trip all in all, like the drive is like a 20 hour drive or some shit that and we did it.

00:43:56:03 – 00:44:18:04
We did it in stages. But the one the trip that I remember was we were driving from San Francisco and we were driving to LA, and there's like a couple of routes you can go. There was the coastal route or there was a more like inland kind of route, and we were like, we went to on the way down, we went to this inland kind of route.

00:44:18:08 – 00:44:41:13
Yeah. And as we were driving, all I remember seeing fields like miles and miles of fields that were just black, absolute black fields, and I had no idea what it was. And we spoke to someone and they said, that's when there's been a thunderstorm and lightning has struck Highfields, and it's caught alight and everything just goes to black, just burns out.

00:44:41:15 – 00:45:15:18
And I was like, fucking hell, that's mental. And I remember being on this highway, right? And we were driving down it and I looked to the back, no cars. I looked in front. No, we were like just in the middle of nowhere. Like not a single sound is not really eerie. And as we got down there, it was starting to get hotter and hotter and I was like, we would actually put the roof up now and, put the aircon on, and I can't remember where we were exactly, but we were probably we were close to Death Valley, so it was maybe like 3.5 hours away from Death Valley.

00:45:15:18 – 00:45:34:09
But you still got the, you know, the heat from where we were. And I remember getting out of the service station like the roof spin up air coming on. We opened the car door and the sun that hit me. It, like, almost brought me to my knees. It was that hot. I was like, this is fucking mental. We have to get back into the car now.

00:45:34:11 – 00:46:00:12
So we quickly filled up, jumped back into the car and carried on our journey dans le. But in that drive was like like you saying it's you, it's your dream. And back then I was 19 and it kind of felt not like it's a wasted trip. But I feel like when you're older, you can appreciate everything a lot more because you're young, you're not taking anything in.

00:46:00:13 – 00:46:32:09
You're just there for the ride and the experience. But I'd love to do that trip again because it was just fucking incredible. And San Francisco is lovely. And I was once you've done all the Beverly Hills, you know, the, you know, Walk of Fame, all of that, there's not really much to it. Sorry if you're listening from LA, but it's, it's a bit of, it it's it's no London if you, you know, try and compare or anything like that.

00:46:32:14 – 00:47:05:01
Very different. I know, but it's. Yeah, it was like one of those trips that I kind of wish, and I hope to do it again because of that sense of freedom, an open road and no cares. And it was it was absolutely incredible. That's probably the longest journey that I've ever done. And I swear on my life that, maybe I'm misremembering, I don't know, but when we decided when we were in L.A., we had to go back to Portland, Oregon, and we wanted to stay in L.A. for a bit longer.

00:47:05:07 – 00:47:20:14
But if we had to stay there, if we want to stay there a bit longer, that means we wouldn't be able to do as many stops going back up, am I? Makes it. I can drive it a month. We're like, mate, that's like 18, 20 hours of driving. You can't do that, he said. I can do it.

00:47:20:16 – 00:47:41:10
And I swear to God, he fucking drive like 18 hours straight. I could not see why you had to do it. Yeah, we had to do it because we kept delaying it and we wanted to stay in L.A. a bit longer. And you had a flight back? Yeah. If someone. Yeah, I can do it in one. I swear to God, he did it in one place.

00:47:41:12 – 00:48:16:20
Which is fucking mental. So that's been the longest and probably the most, favorite trip I've done. I've also done another trip where, I went with my uncle when I was like 14, maybe 13, 14, 15. I can't quite remember, but we drove from Milton Keynes to Spain, so to Rebecca and I was we we taken this estate car and I was in the back with another lad who was a similar age, who was his partner, son.

00:48:16:22 – 00:48:36:10
But I remember when I was, when we were driving down there, we were in France, we stopped over and we by a river. And where the, support structure for the river was, it all dried out? It's all mud. So I said I was going to go down. Let's see if I could see any fish. And I like be careful, be careful.

00:48:36:12 – 00:48:57:02
And then I said, I'm going to jump on that, that mud sitting there and they were like, no, you don't need to jump down into that bit because it's just mud. Like, just stay there. Obviously I didn't listen and I jumped and I sunk up to my hips in the mud. So I was stuck in a bug. I'm I had to pull me out, for the whole trip.

00:48:57:04 – 00:49:16:17
It's just lying there, my boxer shorts fucking in the back of this, in the back of this car is an absolute nightmare. But, and when we were traveling to Barcelona, I remember that the. I don't know, I don't know if it's the same now, but we we saw all these cargo, short loads of police cars, like blue lights, and we're like, fuck, get down here.

00:49:16:17 – 00:49:36:00
We're not supposed to be in the back. So driving for a few hours, like through Barcelona and that side, we would like ducking and ducking. And then we only realized that they weren't police cars. They were taxis. Just weren't free. That whole bit of not fucking doing it. What are you going to say about the the second part of your.

00:49:36:00 – 00:50:01:00
Oh, yeah. So the, the films, the films end those two films, the films end with us walking away after being beaten by Belgium, and the film ends. But we still had a trip home. We set out to get back to the border. So we had a couple of things that were in front of us we didn't know had, so we had to get back from Kaliningrad to the border.

00:50:01:02 – 00:50:15:09
And it's not like you can get a taxi through, like you say, you have to go through in an own vehicle, I think. I don't know why we couldn't get a taxi. There was some rule that we couldn't get a taxi through. I can't remember exactly. So we get to the border anyway, which is like a cab to the border.

00:50:15:09 – 00:50:42:13
They drop us off. And there was a queue of tourists just waiting to hitchhike through the. Through the border. Yeah. And we join this queue, bearing in mind we have all the camera equipment, we've got laptops, we've got all our stuff. And people were getting in these sort of family vehicles, these little SUVs, the little van.

00:50:42:13 – 00:51:02:16
Yeah, yeah, nice little vehicles. And we get to the end. And this guy, he's, Who? Or Ricky, he looked like a crackhead in a the most busted up vehicle ever. And he looked at us and goes, do you have any drugs? And I'm like, like, maybe we don't have any drugs for money. Yeah, we got money. You guys okay?

00:51:02:16 – 00:51:30:16
Get in. So we got in this, like, cracked out little Honda Civic. We put all our stuff in there was our Frankie mate, and he goes, no, Frankie, no, fuck me. You pay me. And he went through and stopped at this little duty-free shop and I'm going to miss Jesus. He goes by four bottles of vodka. So we went in there, bought four bottles of vodka, gave it to him, and he and the car won't stop.

00:51:30:18 – 00:51:55:09
So we get back in, the car won't start. I'm like, we're in the middle of this. These two checkpoints right in the middle where it says duty free shop and there's nothing there. And he's like, you have to push. You have to push to get the cars are rolling, start. And I'm thinking if we push him and he goes and decides to give us all of our gear is gone, but we can't not push him.

00:51:55:09 – 00:52:18:10
Rick, because we stuck. So all of our this is everything. Our passports, everything. We're in the hope that this guy doesn't. He's we've just bought four bottles of vodka. Just doesn't drive off and fuck off. We push it, he gets started and he thankfully lets us back in. We get through the checkpoint, we get to our van and we're like, brilliant.

00:52:18:15 – 00:52:40:22
We're through. Out of nowhere, this man says, can you give me a lift? And we're like looking at him like, this guy's right, but he's asking for a lift to the nearest sea or nearest town. Well, in your vanarama van. Yeah, he's there. And he was like, yeah, I will listen. I'm like, Eagle helped us. Surely we have to help this guy.

00:52:40:24 – 00:53:02:11
James is like, fucking don't help him, man. Look at him. And I'm like, I feel bad. Like I feel like I should. Anyway, I said, I'll sit in the back with him. And we sat in the back and he was just mad. He was just a mental guy who, we managed to drop off on the edge of, I don't know, but the local place in Poland was,

00:53:02:13 – 00:53:29:22
Anyway, we drove all the way through Poland with the idea of getting to a game in France, though. So watching the game that France was playing to just make a final thing, a video content. So we ended up not seeing it. We had got about 2 or 3 hours done sleep, and we set out to drive to Paris the next day we was driving along the motorway and James was driving the first time.

00:53:29:22 – 00:54:00:11
He driven in the whole time because he was editing a lot. Right? And all of a sudden on this dual carriage motorway on a bridge, tire blows. Oh my God, yeah. Tire blows. We are holding up the entire motorway. And we were like, we don't know what to do. The tire is broken. We've got an English, fucking English, number plate.

00:54:00:14 – 00:54:21:23
So everyone's like imaginary French people, not French. People are German. So we're still in Germany at this point. Germany going, oh my God, I fucking motherfuckers like this and we don't know what to do. The police came and escorted us off, off the, bridge onto, like a side, but, we had to call for RAC or whatever the respective thing is in Germany.

00:54:22:01 – 00:54:44:17
They tow us to this tiny little town that has a, It was a Mercedes. There was a Ford. They had a Ford garage. It was a Friday. And they said, we can get you a tire, but not till Monday. And we're like, we're. Where are we? We're in the middle of this, in this tiny little retirement village of a of a town in Germany.

00:54:44:19 – 00:55:03:14
And the boys had to get back, like James had to get back to his Mrs. and Sam at work to do, because he's got his own channel and stuff. And I was like, you know what, lads? I'll stay with the van. No. Yeah. So I stayed in this tiny little village, this little German village for, for three days, waiting for a tire to turn up.

00:55:03:16 – 00:55:19:09
What? They win. Yeah. They went. Yeah. Left me. But just like it, it it was. I mean, you saying what? I want to be honest with you, I'd been in the car van with them for a week, and I was like, yeah, I'm fine for a bit of space here. Like, yeah, yeah, what I'm going to do, I'm just going to sit.

00:55:19:11 – 00:55:39:01
I'm going to sit in, I'm going to have a few beers and just chill out in this hotel for two days. That that felt like a dream to me. Really. But I was stuck in, and I was like, all right, so we waited till Monday. They split the tire. I'm relieved at that point. I've had enough. I wanted to drive home.

00:55:39:03 – 00:55:57:08
I was driving home, and then I realized it dawned on me that England were playing Colombia in the World Cup that evening. Do you remember the game? No I don't. We went through on penalties, remember Eric Dias was winning. But here we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm. Oh fuck that. It was that game. Yeah, it was that night.

00:55:57:10 – 00:56:15:15
And I'm driving and I'm working it out and I'm thinking, I want to get home to be with my dad in London to watch this game. I, and I was racing against time. And as I was driving towards the border in Calais, there was an incident and a big fire engine going by and we were stuck there.

00:56:15:17 – 00:56:45:10
I mean, I watched the first half on the ferry going over to Dover, and the second half I listened to on the radio, on the, on the, on the M20. Rishi there was not a single soul on this road. There wasn't anybody in the whole world were watching this, this, this second half against Colombia. And I was driving along and I listened to Eric Dyer score the winning penalty, and I was beeping my own and I was pumping with this.

00:56:45:12 – 00:57:11:18
I think we'd fucking done it. And I'd spent my my way of experience. And that was in the van I've been practically living in for eight weeks and eight days. And Rick, only I look back now fondly. It was one of the most stressful seven, eight, nine, ten days of my life. Yeah, I can imagine because it's, although you're there with people that are a good lot and in normal circumstances it would have been great.

00:57:11:18 – 00:57:34:06
But all the content you've got a film edit, make sure things are signed off and all of that. And then on top of that, the fucking world blowing out and the, you know, trying to get through the checkpoint to know that would be a fucking nightmare. I mean, looking back, that's that's an amazing, amazing trip. I'd love to do something like that.

00:57:34:08 – 00:57:59:08
Maybe not like drive to Russia, but like somewhere across Europe. That would be fucking amazing, right? We are. We are going to go on to. Well, we're going to go and dilemmas and something 98 dilemmas is going to be a bit different. We've got no dilemmas this week, but we're going to introduce something else and we are going to go to something funny, you know, which is called Bag of Tricks.

00:57:59:10 – 00:58:40:11
The topic for next week is UFOs. So have you ever heard of the Falkirk Triangle? I haven't because we are going to be going into that. So the Falkirk Triangle refers to an area in Scotland and encompassing Falkirk, Bonnybridge and the surrounding areas known for its high number of UFO sightings. So we'll be talking about that, the incident at Roswell, New Mexico, and the retrieval of alien bodies, the v shaped flying saucers, the balls of lightning that you see in the sky, anything that you have.

00:58:40:17 – 00:59:04:06
I mean, have you ever had a close encounter or what you feel is a close encounter? Or know anyone? Do you remember, like in the 60s, people being fucking abducted willy nilly? No, I don't do that anymore. Like where where was that got? It's because people have. Now there's a burden of proof involved in everything. Now. Yeah.

00:59:04:08 – 00:59:33:06
You really got a doctor there, J g all right. Yeah. What do you look like? He had a lung thing and a, balloon head. And, what's this? A Netflix documentary as well, where they were people were, you know, they were so sure of the out of this world technologies that they had seen that couldn't possibly have come from planet Earth, that we're going to be talking about UFOs and aliens in next week's pod.

00:59:33:08 – 01:00:02:17
If you've got any stories or anything that you you like this kind of shit, you would know some of the stories. So send in to lots anon pod at gmail.com and we will read it out or speak of it. Now we are going to be going into not dilemmas. So when all I had written, I kind of, I don't know what you'd call it, just a premise of what lots anonymous was going to be about.

01:00:02:23 – 01:00:28:04
I wrote this actually in January 2023, and we didn't do our first episode until January 24th, a year later. But this feature was called. And another thing. So this was about, two best mates pissed up on a bench in the kitchen at the afters. Or you've sloped off with a pal at a party we sent down. You pissed up?

01:00:28:05 – 01:00:54:04
Yeah. Jacked up. And you just put in the well to rights. You know, you've either stressed out about something, you're frustrated life's hard or whatever. Oh, there's just something that's just pissing you off. You're, you know, you just want to get it off your chest. And this is going to be a new part of the pod that is going to be on rotation with dilemmas when we get them in.

01:00:54:06 – 01:01:22:10
So it's. Just a place where the phone. Shit. Yeah I have a moan. Share your frustrations. Get get stuff off your chest. When I was watching a lot of Glastonbury, when it was on and, I there was there's a couple of things easier, right, for men to be on men's shoulders at Glastonbury and easy if you're little enough to go on another man's shoulders.

01:01:22:10 – 01:01:45:18
What is that? Is that I don't know. And also, like, should anybody be on anybody's shoulders, a glass and Brie, like, you know, everyone's view. Yeah. It's irritating and it's obnoxious. You've paid all that money and you're blocking everyone's feet. But my daughter actually saying those people on those people shoulders, like, imagine that. Imagine if we were there and that person was in front of us.

01:01:45:18 – 01:02:12:06
Yeah, I can get off. Yeah. The and the other thing I'll say line. Another thing the like people that are holding up smoke bombs, vegetables. They're rubbish. They look rubbish. You're not doing anything. If you want to do someone flare like one that lights up like you've got. Oh, you're holding fire. Yeah. Do that. Don't turn up with a with a smoke bomb and go look at what we are.

01:02:12:12 – 01:02:35:07
You know, it looks rubbish at it stinks. Stinks of egg. Well and the other another thing Ricky. Yes. All right. Glastonbury. That really annoyed me. Was people would have laminated signs with the word June on it, holding it up at a deejay. All they know is a tune. It's been released, they can go on Spotify and they've got 400 million plays.

01:02:35:07 – 01:02:58:14
They know it's a tune. Also, don't eat to limps. Laminate a piece of paper that was chewing on it. You will basically see I know this is a tune I want you to know. They don't know who you are. They won't remember you. You look like a knob. Yeah. Those are. Those are my additions to the. I mean, that is exactly what we're looking for.

01:02:58:16 – 01:03:22:20
So it can be as short as you want, as long as you want. Send in a voice note, send an email. Send it into lads. Unknown pod at gmail.com. We'll play your and another thing and we'll have a little discussion about it. We're now going to jump into something only you know where you go, who he is and what we do.

01:03:22:20 – 01:03:37:07
Ricky. Yeah, I'm still going to. I can't find the jingle I know. Yeah, but I love it. Wow. Something, you know.

01:03:37:09 – 01:04:05:03
Bag of tricks. So a chair, a story that still makes me smile. But I can never share with anyone, lest my wife will kill me. A few years back, my wife and I were traveling to an all inclusive resort in Jamaica for our first holiday without kids. Jamaica. Jamaica. WhatsApp from. I think it's from, NAS and

01:04:05:05 – 01:04:26:09
Who's Bob Marley's son? Ziggy. No. Damon. Damian Marley. Yeah, I think yeah. You know, at the moment. But maybe it's welcome to jam Rock. I don't know, sorry. I, if because we were without kids and would have lots of other alone time, my wife and I decided to pack along some adult toys to add a bit of fun.

01:04:26:11 – 01:04:48:01
When my wife and I travel, we try to only pack carry on baggage so we don't have to deal with the hassle of checking bags. This is relevant to the point. You'll see why we get to the airport and head through the security checkpoint. As my wife and I are waiting for our belongings to go through the metal detector, one of the security agents us.

01:04:48:03 – 01:05:09:22
Whose bag is this? Indicating my wife's carry on. My wife whispers to me, oh, God, it's the sex toys. Yeah, that were packed in the carry. How many times have they taken you? Can't they just have normal sex for a couple of weeks? Why the necessary toys? Of course I, I was going to mention this as well.

01:05:09:22 – 01:05:32:01
Not what rocks full of sex toys. Well, how good are these sex toys? You can't deny just a bit of in out and in my mind as well. And then it is still a bit of like there's some smears on there. Well, what's the oh go to anyway? My wife whispers to me. Oh, God. Oh, it's the sex toys.

01:05:32:03 – 01:05:57:08
She quickly walks up to the female security agent who is about to open the carry on in a very public setting, leans in and whispers to her, there are a number of items that are, of a personal nature, which have probably triggered the x ray. The security agent smiled at her, winked, and said, no problem. Discreetly. We checked the bag and we are on our way.

01:05:57:10 – 01:06:24:04
The embarrassment to our wife and her packing wasn't over. We get to our resort, unpack our bags and head out for dinner. When we got back, we found our room had been turned upside down by room service that come in and gotten the gotten the bed ready. What my wife hadn't realized is we had set. We'd set to get service and then unpacked our bags and left the bag of sex toys sitting in the middle of the bed.

01:06:24:06 – 01:06:42:03
Housekeeping came, came in and got our bed ready and laid the sex toys out nicely and neatly in the middle for us. Brilliant. My my wife was mortified. I just laughed as I thought it was a funny way to start a vacation, and a story that she'd never let me tell anyone. And that is something I knew.

01:06:42:03 – 01:07:03:20
Wait, no. That's good. That reminds me of when my stepmom cleaned up my room when I was, must be about 1415, and she took my porn mags and and there was a pile of clothes that had to be ironed because they were clean, but just thrown in my wardrobe because that's what I did. And she placed the two porn nights on top of the pile of clothes.

01:07:03:22 – 01:07:22:08
Man. Only, what did she think, though? Was it a kind of a power move? It's just not that I know. I know what you. She would have told my dad that my dad told me to do it, and I told him to do it, so I thought it'd be funny. That's what it was. Like I said, there was no above that.

01:07:22:08 – 01:07:41:08
Right? Yeah, I can imagine. That's not not ideal. I can imagine these two as well. I've gone back and, you know, like, where you were, someone that they. Oh, they torture equipment. It's like, left on a on a medical tray. They go back into their room. Let's just not deal with those. And fucking cock rings lined up.

01:07:41:10 – 01:08:05:17
Fucking mental. Right next week, as we mentioned, we're going to be chatting about UFOs and aliens. If you've got any stories, send it in to lads anon pod at gmail.com. If you want to join the patron, go to patron slash lads anon pod and until then we will see you on Monday.

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Ricky: I'm going to see Tame Impala on Saturday and I'm really excited.

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Gareth Flavell: when i went When I was at a wedding last week, do you remember we had a discussion saying, i don'tmit I don't know the name of a single Tame Impala song?

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Ricky: Yeah, but there's plenty of like artists. I don't know the names of their songs.

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Gareth Flavell: Right, and then um when and then when i i I sent you a video and went, who's this? That was the joke, and you went, no, that's taken thats Dracula by Tame Impala. I'm like, but you've missed that's not we had a conversation with not knowing the names.

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Ricky: Uh…

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Ricky: Right, okay.

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Gareth Flavell: You just ruined it.

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Ricky: Right, okay.

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Gareth Flavell: You notice I didn't respond? I was angry.

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Ricky: Yeah, you don't respond to a lot of my stuff, to be fair.

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Gareth Flavell: yes Oh, you had you had a mad request yesterday. i was like, I'm never doing that.

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Ricky: What was… no No, I did not. Did I really?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, you sent a mental one. but well

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Ricky: ah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember

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Gareth Flavell: Any chance you can ask, I can't read it out, but you can see it knock up and I'm like, Charlie doesn't even pick up the phone to me anymore, so let alone, no, he's like,

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Ricky: LAUGHTER

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Ricky: Does he know? He'll be listening to this as well.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, no, I mean, the our relationship's done pretty much.

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Ricky: ah poor Charlie.

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Gareth Flavell: he yeah he's he's got He's got a baby and he's got a really important job at Getty. And thumbnails for me are like probably, in terms of priority, I probably don't, they they don't exist on his list.

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Gareth Flavell: So much so that I'll ask him for a thumbnail and it just won't come. So you're in response to your question, no.

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Ricky: Oh, God.

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Gareth Flavell: You make a thumbnail.

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Ricky: Yeah. Okay. Right. Okay. I'll do that then.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, you do it.

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Ricky: what I was going to say, I did email you.

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Gareth Flavell: Charlie, if you are listening, I love you and I'm so i'm so happy for you.

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Gareth Flavell: God.

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Ricky: We both are. I emailed you with a couple of, um, audio files.

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Gareth Flavell: Yep, I've sorted that.

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Ricky: Yeah. Oh, fucking hell. Let's go.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, but well, it's…

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Ricky: We don't need it yet. Don't need it yet. I'm just,

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Gareth Flavell: Okay, but when when you when you make them into MP3s, it's just so easy for me.

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Ricky: I did do that though.

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Gareth Flavell: I know. That's what I'm saying.

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Ricky: Oh, okay. Okay. Good.

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Gareth Flavell: Because if I was going, fucking, I opened them up and bet these are still M4As and i was like, they weren't. I was like…

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Ricky: Hey, hey.

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Gareth Flavell: So you go and say, Apollo, that's the…

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Ricky: and Yeah, going Tame Impala, but I just wanted to…

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Gareth Flavell: house I don't feel of anything about that, really.

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Ricky: Right, that's fine. But what I'm about to say, might you might kind of… Actually, i don't know. I'll just say it. But I've been really looking forward to this gig. Not only because Tame Impala was one of the last remaining kind of ah acts that I wanted to go and see, right?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: But… it's It's in Birmingham, right?

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Gareth Flavell: Ugh. Oh, all right, okay, okay.

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Ricky: which is which No, no, no, it's fine. No, it's good. It's good. um it's It's a day out for the lady and I.

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Gareth Flavell: Okay, yeah like she likes Tame Impala as well.

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Ricky: Lights, Tame and Filer as well.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: And it's a day out in Birmingham. And it's kind of like, do you know what?

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Gareth Flavell: Okay.

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Ricky: I mean, fred Fred again was different because like traveling back from Muswell Hill, it's it's ah it's hard getting back.

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Gareth Flavell: On the shovel. was it easy It's easy. from the Birmingham is easy.

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Ricky: yeah Yeah, it is easy. But I was like, do you know what?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Right next door, isn't it?

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Ricky: she's Fuck you. Shall we just get a hotel for the night?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

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Ricky: Right. Go to the gig, have a few jars, go to Broad Street, have a few more drinks, go to our hotel, you know, and then come back in the morning.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. They're rumpy bumpy.

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Ricky: Right. Okay. Rumpy pumpy. Right. this You know, this is what, so in my mind leading up to this,

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

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Ricky: get to Birmingham midday, check into the hotel at three o'clock, have a little mooch about around Birmingham, go out for some, like go out for a bit of, bit of a bite, bit dinner before the gig, not massive, just some, so some nibbles, the beers flow in, you're getting excited for the gig.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: You don't have to rush everything. You know, great, wonderful gig. You come out, you go to a little wine bar or something like that. And you, you have a few more drinks, maybe get a takeaway. I don't know.

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Gareth Flavell: Then the Rumpy Pumpy.

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Ricky: Then you go up to the hotel room and yeah, the the the drunk sex is great. Absolutely fantastic.

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Gareth Flavell: Call it

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Ricky: Rumpy pumpy, right? actually ah Bit of rumpy pumpy, right? And then wake up in the morning and you've got your breakfast.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Everyone loves the breakfast in the hotel in the morning.

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Gareth Flavell: 100%.

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Ricky: Let me go.

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Gareth Flavell: Especially a buffet.

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Ricky: It's like kind 24 hour. Yeah, it is,

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Gareth Flavell: It sounds like a dream. right Thought I'm missing the point.

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Ricky: As we're leading it up to D-Day, do you think we need to get a hotel? Because London is the same distance as Birmingham, right? Might as well just get a train, like an hour from London, an hour of Birmingham. It's the same.

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Ricky: So might as well not do did the hotel, save some money. ah um Right, okay. Okay. Yeah, that's cool. All right. we We'll get a train the way home. It's going to be… it's good Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Thought I'm missing the point, but yeah, okay.

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Ricky: It's going to… um um Plus, we'll be we'll be hanging on the way back on the train and drunk and loud people. Bright lights. All that. light It's fine. Okay, we'll do that. Should we go a bit later?

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Ricky: Because then, like, we won't have to dump the girls and my mum. like so so now with we're we're looking at trains that get into Birmingham New Street…

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Gareth Flavell: Oh.

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Ricky: half hour, 45 minutes before Tame Impala come on. So it's gone from let's get there at lunchtime and book in and, you know, lay down on the hotel, jump around on the hotel bed. That's always fun. To going by the skin of our teeth. If the train delays, we're fucked, right?

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Ricky: To go and see a band that I wanted to see for years.

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Gareth Flavell: How

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Ricky: And now it's just like nip in and nip out. Get in, get out. live by the fraught tension of, am i am I going to see them? Is the train going to be delayed? How do I get back? All of that stuff.

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Ricky: So it's gone from really looking forward to something that's in the future, and it's going to be a great day, simmered down to just a ah kind of a wee kernel of fun.

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Gareth Flavell: or how have you meant have you explained to this? have you you

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Ricky: No, no, haven't. i'm I'm doing this now, and then you're going to say, as my best mate Rick, what you need to do is you need to um take the the emotion out of it, or if you want to take it,

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Gareth Flavell: Me. Take me. Take me.

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Ricky: you need to, I don't know, tell me. Well, like I know for me, my mother's guilt is, I'm not saying fathers don't get it, but like a mother's guilt of leaving their children and being away from the home and stuff like that, that, you know,

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Gareth Flavell: i i I understand your frustration. I do.

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Gareth Flavell: Not when they're 12 or 14.

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Ricky: I know.

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Gareth Flavell: You don't really want to be around them at age.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: No. Less. More time away, if anything.

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Ricky: yeah I mean, it's been very aggy in this household this week.

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Gareth Flavell: um

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Gareth Flavell: How's it?

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: aye

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Ricky: So i mean a lot ah what why don't we just stay away for the night? Imagine the buffet in the morning, breakfast buffet.

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Gareth Flavell: Does she like Tame Impala?

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Does she like Tame Impala?

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Ricky: Yeah. And plus, even if she didn't, it's like you're going out for the night to go and watch a live act, have a beer. Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: I think, yeah, I mean, like the pro did you so explicitly explain that you were looking forward to the whole day or or not?

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Ricky: ah well I mean, personally, do you think I need to explain that?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: I mean,

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Ricky: If we're going out to a gig in Birmingham, an hour away, even if we're going to a gig in London and you're going in with your partner, right.

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Gareth Flavell: hotel, yeah, you you need to plan the hotel. but Yeah, you need to go, yeah spending your time away, you would need to at least talk about it, yeah.

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Ricky: Right, okay.

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Gareth Flavell: You didn't.

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Ricky: No, no, well i if we're staying away,

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Gareth Flavell: yeah You spoke about the hotel.

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Ricky: yes. yes

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I think… I think I could… Something could happen with Oli. think that could happen… Something like that could happen with Oli. Especially leaving later.

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Gareth Flavell: What are you going to do

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Ricky: Well, I would do what I always do. and Happy wife, happy life.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, that true. That is true. i

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Ricky: ah And all all of the rest is fine. But you know where you kind of have something that you've built up to that you're looking forward to and then it just ends up not being that thing.

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Gareth Flavell: I think that's a part of a man.

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Ricky: And it it does happen. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I think i i think people feel, and not that's not happening here. It's like you don't really get presents for Christmas. Everyone else does. And your birthday is sort of less celebrated, I think, than then everyone, or the than the female.

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: It's almost like a bit feminine to enjoy your birthday in a weird way. But I don't mind. like when When I wake up on Christmas morning, i don't i can't I don't care if I've got presents or not.

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Gareth Flavell: It doesn't matter. I like to be that someone thought of me, but i'm not bold I don't want the same amount of presents as the kids.

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Ricky: Yeah. Or even more expensive.

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Gareth Flavell: Or anything, really.

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Ricky: Yeah, okay.

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Gareth Flavell: a Socks and pants would be absolutely fine.

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Ricky: Oh, mate, if I got socks and pants just for Christmas, ah i like I would be…

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Gareth Flavell: I can't think of anything I'd want. I quite want a PlayStation 5 because I have to like to give mine to my son, obviously, because how am I to have a PlayStation 5 he's got nothing like that?

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Ricky: okay.

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Ricky: Was it a begrudging? like Okay.

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Gareth Flavell: No, I just gave it to him. barely even looked at it, to be honest.

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Ricky: Right, fair enough.

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Gareth Flavell: But he's his computer died and it was his birthday and we bought him a Nutelli. Anyway, that was why. you want to explain something mental? Yeah, so you're just going have to have just go and come back, I guess.

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. that I mean, and and that's all fine.

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Gareth Flavell: You can leave earlier. Leave earlier. Just so those sort the kids out.

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Ricky: think, yeah, yeah, I think, I think, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: And we are going to leave earlier. I want to enjoy and relax. you you Yeah, you…

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Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I think, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Because, you know, I often do the Tottenham travel plan. ah where I kind of like the military operation of where I get to places when i'm that's like an hour away because of the trains.

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Gareth Flavell: yeah

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Ricky: Well, I've done one for for this gig. So i will explain to her that we will have to get there early because everything is quite a close shave and we don't want to miss anything really.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I just want relax.

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Ricky: If we're going all that way, then.

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Gareth Flavell: I want to leave a bit earlier. So can we just sort the kids out? I think you're within the rights there. I think it should be fine. Something weird. This sounds quite boring, but just want to… We were going to my mate's wedding in Essex last week.

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Gareth Flavell: And…

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Ricky: Okay, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: um

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Gareth Flavell: I got a job in London on the Friday that we were supposed to be going to the hotel because the wedding was on Saturday and we live far a long way away from Essex. And i was like, right, I can't turn this job down.

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Gareth Flavell: um And we're still going to the wedding. So what you're going to do is you're going to drive to me. You're going to pick me up in London and then we and then we're going to go to Essex.

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Ricky: ah okay yeah

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Gareth Flavell: london London is massive. And I looked at and I was just like, right, where's… Where can we do this? What stations near the M25? Faden Bois.

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Ricky: Yeah,

00:11:06.74
Gareth Flavell: Or Faden Boys. don't know how you say it.

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Ricky: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: What is it?

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Ricky: No way.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, Faden Boys. um I left my… She left work. Dropped the kids off.

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Ricky: yeah

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Gareth Flavell: She left work.

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Ricky: yeah

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Gareth Flavell: I left my job.

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Ricky: yeah

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Gareth Flavell: And we arrived at Faden Boys exactly the same time. As I was walking out, she pulled into the into the car park.

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Ricky: no way

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Gareth Flavell: It was like a military operation that works out perfectly. i thought was sitting there for about an hour. was going to have find a pub. It was like, Bosh, get in, go. was brilliant. It just works. Stuff like that never works.

00:11:40.97
Ricky: Don't you just love it when a plan comes together?

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, indeed. I want play jingle.

00:11:44.95
Ricky: on then.

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Ricky: Hello and welcome to Lads Anonymous, it's episode 148. Ricky, he's Flav, two best mates, one main topic, we answer your life dilemmas and confessions in our feature, something only you know, and everything remains anonymous, always, so sit back, relax and enjoy the pod.

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Ricky: That, um, that how we record now, obviously where the theme team plays and I can hear it and then I have to come in. It always makes me feel like I'm a ah radio presenter or something like that.

00:12:38.76
Ricky: Cause I have to get the timing right. it makes It makes me feel like important or something.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: Hmm.

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Gareth Flavell: It makes me just feel I want to take pills every time I hear it. I want to take pills. I want to go out and take pills.

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Ricky: ah

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Gareth Flavell: um i got I got a message, mate. You know, you talk like Tame Impala. You love Tame Impala.

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Ricky: m

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Gareth Flavell: I got a message from the one of the band members of Mount Kimby who, because they were watching The Overlap and I was on i posted a picture of myself hosting on The Overlap.

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Ricky: Wha- wha- why? How?

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Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: um for those everyone's gonna know what it is um and they liked it and then they followed me mount kimby followed me the band's um instagram account and i was like i fucking love mount kimby and then i posted a picture and i and i i posted a picture of ah with the sound with with blue blue train lines

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Ricky: One of their tracks, yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: and the And now I was thinking, ah, because I knew, that I thought they followed me, maybe they'll see this. And then they reached out.

00:13:40.89
Ricky: What did they say? they Tottenham fans or just…

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah, the one one is, he said,

00:13:47.49
Ricky: I like your little beard.

00:13:49.72
Gareth Flavell: it wasn't but weird like that.

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Ricky: okay.

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Gareth Flavell: He says, hi fly off Kai from Mount Kimby here. Unreal to get an early shout on the pod, because i mentioned it on the pod. Season ticket holder and long time listener of Fighting Cock.

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Ricky: Fuck. Yeah, good. Yeah, that's good,

00:14:02.39
Gareth Flavell: Even listen to and enjoy the lab. So parasocialness is mutual. So I said, I've got this parasocial relationship. But I was like, this is so cool.

00:14:09.74
Ricky: yeah.

00:14:09.71
Gareth Flavell: Really pleased that you've heard the music. And I said, hello, mate. Such a lovely thing to read. In my most hedonistic years, Mount Kimberley were there with me. The last few days, I've been listening to the Sunset Violet.

00:14:22.81
Gareth Flavell: I'm sort playing up to it now.

00:14:23.67
Ricky: yeah good yeah that's good yeah

00:14:24.02
Gareth Flavell: Listen to the album, mate. Sunset Violet. It's really good. Thank you for the music and stay in touch. We'll have a beer one day over Spurs.

00:14:32.18
Ricky: Hey, that's cool.

00:14:34.17
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. And, and what else happened? James Madison liked my tweet. No, no, liked my picture.

00:14:42.23
Ricky: Really?

00:14:42.97
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:14:44.18
Ricky: ah You've got it all going on.

00:14:44.22
Gareth Flavell: I mean, i know it's ridiculous because I'm like 44 and I shouldn't be sort of, you know, enamored by that. But am.

00:14:52.95
Ricky: um I don't understand why you wouldn't want to share those feelings. That's cool, man. know what mean? Right, we've got a ah lot to crack on with today.

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Gareth Flavell: What are we talking about?

00:15:08.15
Ricky: Right, now we'll get to that bit, right?

00:15:09.66
Gareth Flavell: all right.

00:15:09.91
Ricky: First of all,

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Gareth Flavell: Okay.

00:15:11.42
Ricky: ah the you know the new feature of… dont Don't listen, right?

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Gareth Flavell: Don't listen.

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Ricky: ah Don't listen.

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Gareth Flavell: love it.

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Ricky: this a fucking but This is a mental feature.

00:15:18.89
Gareth Flavell: love… What is it for people that might have…

00:15:21.40
Ricky: ah so So don't listen is a feature devised by Flav whereby you send in an audio, ah yeah a voice note to us via email, wherever it is.

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Ricky: And we don't listen to it. We just play it. And then we riff off whatever is being played to us.

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Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:15:42.60
Ricky: Last week, someone sent one in and Flav and I had no idea what was being said.

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Gareth Flavell: ah Yeah, it was mental.

00:15:49.78
Ricky: It was mental, right? And they've written in, Hey Rick, so I knew that reaction was coming.

00:15:56.96
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

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Ricky: I'll try and put some context around it. First of all, that's an Irish accent you're listening to, which says, all right. You hear United got Ronaldo back.

00:16:08.05
Ricky: United! It was a voice note sent around back when Man United re-signed Ronaldo.

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Gareth Flavell: but

00:16:15.38
Ricky: It was one of the funniest things that we had ever heard. The more you play it, the funnier it gets.

00:16:21.98
Gareth Flavell: It was weird.

00:16:23.16
Ricky: It was. um And as well, it it's but it was one of the funniest things we have ever heard.

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Gareth Flavell: i was

00:16:29.92
Ricky: Who's we?

00:16:30.78
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, just more context, if anything.

00:16:32.82
Ricky: Yeah.

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Gareth Flavell: Let me see if I can find it.

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Ricky: Okay. um so Yeah, and they like obviously I had no idea.

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Gareth Flavell: I'll play again.

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Ricky: I thought I was quite good with like my meme culture and like what's going on, but I hadn't heard of it.

00:16:44.09
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:16:45.41
Ricky: There was one person in our comment on Spotify that knew exactly what this was. So fair fucks to you, to the lad S that got that.

00:16:52.34
Gareth Flavell: Really?

00:16:57.98
Ricky: Well done.

00:16:58.15
Gareth Flavell: I've got it. I've got it.

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Ricky: I'll go and play it, play it.

00:17:01.07
Gareth Flavell: Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

00:17:02.13
Ricky: Okay.

00:17:03.00
Gareth Flavell: Hold on.

00:17:03.82
Ricky: Hold on.

00:17:05.02
Gareth Flavell: Hold on.

00:17:05.86
Ricky: That's what say to Mrs.

00:17:06.97
Gareth Flavell: Fucking hell. Why isn't that working? All right. Give me give me and let two minutes, Rick.

00:17:10.42
Ricky: Right. Okay. ah

00:17:11.45
Gareth Flavell: Two minutes, Turkish. right.

00:17:13.18
Ricky: And then we have another voice note that has come in today, ah which is part of which is part of that.

00:17:19.70
Gareth Flavell: Right, now I've got it.

00:17:21.36
Ricky: Okay. This is last week.

00:17:21.72
Gareth Flavell: Right, so this is the one from last week.

00:17:22.84
Ricky: this is last week

00:17:23.96
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:17:38.91
Gareth Flavell: I've never heard that before.

00:17:39.96
Ricky: No, I haven't. No, that's it that's a new one. That's a new one.

00:17:49.97
Gareth Flavell: Alright,

00:17:50.10
Ricky: ah That's good. Right. Okay. And um I have no idea what's going to come next.

00:17:56.28
Gareth Flavell: Oh, we can do it now, are we?

00:17:56.49
Ricky: It's what we might as well. So this is that this is the new ah don't listen audio that we received this week.

00:18:08.98
Gareth Flavell: Oh, for fuck's sake.

00:18:09.40
Ricky: Oh, for fuck's sake.

00:18:11.77
Gareth Flavell: but

00:18:12.09
Ricky: so Oh my God.

00:18:14.46
Gareth Flavell: You are fucking disgusting.

00:18:17.62
Ricky: Fucking hell.

00:18:18.90
Gareth Flavell: i can I know who did that.

00:18:21.24
Ricky: Really?

00:18:22.33
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, ah without question that was Jack. Without question.

00:18:25.75
Ricky: ah do you know what? i can't i can't I can't confirm or deny because it's a lads anonymous.

00:18:29.69
Gareth Flavell: it was It was him. It was him. It was him.

00:18:31.74
Ricky: It's lad it's lads anonymous, but that was fucking foul. Whoever did that.

00:18:39.29
Gareth Flavell: You do know, you fucking pig.

00:18:39.64
Ricky: But yeah, yeah, that that is.

00:18:41.88
Gareth Flavell: It's exactly the kind of thing he would do. Yeah.

00:18:45.73
Ricky: Yeah, it is. I mean this is this is a on point for lads. So thank you for that. ah Actually, do you know what? I'm not going to say thank you for that. That was absolutely grim.

00:18:53.22
Gareth Flavell: It's disgusting.

00:18:54.65
Ricky: If you want to hear your audio played out and we don't know what it is, it could be absolutely anything. Send it in.

00:19:01.66
Gareth Flavell: Was that the only one sent in?

00:19:02.99
Ricky: That's the end. Well, no, we've got we've got more, but I'm not going to fucking do them all in one hit.

00:19:04.96
Gareth Flavell: All right. Fine. Send them in. Don't listen. Don't listen. Whatever you got.

00:19:10.50
Ricky: Yeah.

00:19:10.96
Gareth Flavell: It doesn't have to be mental. It could be anything. This is your chance.

00:19:13.66
Ricky: Yeah, yeah. Just feature on the pod. Send it in to ladsanonpod at gmail.com.

00:19:16.51
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:19:20.50
Ricky: But just make sure you mention it in the title on the or on the file.

00:19:25.20
Gareth Flavell: All right, next time.

00:19:26.06
Ricky: Don't listen. And I won't. That's it. And it will just go straight out. I've sent you another. ah So last week, the topic was ah male friendships and the rules and bro codes and stuff like that.

00:19:34.59
Gareth Flavell: Okay. All right.

00:19:39.26
Ricky: Somebody has sent us in a voice note. about their rare situation. You're going hear it now.

00:20:31.03
Gareth Flavell: I mean, the blokes broke the brocode there in a big way, didn't he?

00:20:33.30
Ricky: Yeah, yeah. yeah

00:20:35.74
Gareth Flavell: What a scumbag.

00:20:36.02
Ricky: Who's done that?

00:20:37.05
Gareth Flavell: What a scumbag.

00:20:39.07
Ricky: can't, yeah, that's fucking, that is, that's pure outers, man.

00:20:40.70
Gareth Flavell: That ain't your mate.

00:20:43.67
Gareth Flavell: i would I would really think about eliminating that person from my social circle.

00:20:49.17
Ricky: Eliminating them forever.

00:20:50.33
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I mean, I know sometimes you can't and you don't want to, um but fuck, if he could do it to him, he could do it to you. Yeah.

00:20:58.23
Ricky: um oh God, I didn't even think of that. That is fucking, yeah, that is, that's naughty. I mean, I mean, it's obviously more than naughty, but it's like, you know, bro codes of not mentioning what other people get up to.

00:21:12.77
Ricky: you But then, like, you're all mates. You can't, you can't lie about that. And especially if that if there's conversation and banter and stuff like that happening, you are, the other person who this is happening on are going to look like a total cunt because they don't know that that geezer

00:21:17.24
Gareth Flavell: did it

00:21:30.61
Ricky: serving up his missus, which is, mean, I think I, would you grass in that situation? i i don't know if I could grass.

00:21:37.43
Gareth Flavell: No, I don't think I would.

00:21:39.09
Ricky: I don't know if I could grass, but I would be like,

00:21:42.03
Gareth Flavell: I'd be like, mate, you and you are a fucking scumbag.

00:21:44.85
Ricky: ah you take to the person direct.

00:21:45.14
Gareth Flavell: lee Yeah. Yeah, you're shagging your mate's missus.

00:21:46.85
Ricky: Right. Okay. Yeah.

00:21:48.85
Gareth Flavell: Fuck off.

00:21:48.98
Ricky: Right.

00:21:49.53
Gareth Flavell: Get away from me.

00:21:49.72
Ricky: Yeah.

00:21:50.41
Gareth Flavell: That's what i'll be like.

00:21:51.58
Ricky: Yeah.

00:21:51.61
Gareth Flavell: Never call me. Never call me.

00:21:53.62
Ricky: Right. Okay. Good.

00:21:54.94
Gareth Flavell: o

00:21:55.47
Ricky: That's good advice. that say Yeah, it's good. um

00:21:57.34
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:21:58.55
Ricky: Before we move on to today's topic, a quick shout out to the gentleman who will be listening, who sent me, um he heard us talking about chili. Did you ever get to the bottom of your jalapeno pizza, by the way?

00:22:12.19
Ricky: Why it was so hot.

00:22:12.25
Gareth Flavell: No, i was just, I might go back and have another one.

00:22:14.94
Ricky: Right. Okay. You need to do that.

00:22:15.77
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:22:16.50
Ricky: thank

00:22:16.44
Gareth Flavell: i didn't get back to it. No, don't understand.

00:22:20.41
Ricky: And then, um, I was speaking about Tabasco sauce. The original Tabasco sauce is no longer no good for me.

00:22:24.82
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:22:27.85
Ricky: And I have habanero Tabasco sauce.

00:22:28.15
Gareth Flavell: You need

00:22:30.17
Ricky: and This gentleman said, I have one called Tabasco scorpion sauce. I think it's called.

00:22:36.31
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:22:37.27
Ricky: I have an unopened one at home with a plastic seal on it. you want me to send it to you? Yeah.

00:22:43.93
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:22:44.09
Ricky: Free chili sauce. Why not?

00:22:45.88
Gareth Flavell: Have you had some?

00:22:46.71
Ricky: Yeah, have.

00:22:47.90
Gareth Flavell: Oh, what's that?

00:22:49.34
Ricky: Yeah, it's it it's a bit it's a bit lively. it is a bit lively.

00:22:51.51
Gareth Flavell: Do some now. Do some now.

00:22:52.66
Ricky: No,

00:22:55.64
Gareth Flavell: Would you not be able to talk if…

00:22:57.50
Ricky: no no, no, I would be. i would be able to talk. It's fine. But thank you very much to the person who sent that. That was a very lovely, kind gesture. And I did have it on my spag boulder in the week.

00:23:08.02
Ricky: So thank you very much. It's getting… it' getting a

00:23:10.23
Gareth Flavell: Did you put it on the reddit?

00:23:11.61
Ricky: Yeah, fucking that. Yeah, doused it. When I've done the first like little knockout of it, it's so only supposed to like drip, but like loads shot out.

00:23:18.36
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, you're like, oh no.

00:23:18.53
Ricky: And I knew was going to be like ah a Russian roulette of a bite that I was going to get a scorpions. And I did. So thanks for that. And last thank you to everyone on Patreon. I put a video out that I was testing the um I keep calling it GoPro because it's easier to say that, but it's that actually DJI camera. Doesn't matter. But I was doing different angles of filming in my car from when I do fish with Rick. um And I posted it on Patreon as free content to say, to get people's feedback. There's been fucking loads about which angle is best. So thank you to everyone that answered. And by the way, if you've not signed up to patron, you can do it for free and you can comment like everyone else did. patron.com slash lads, a non pod. So thank you for all the feedback with that video.

00:24:07.90
Ricky: Do you know what the topic for today is right?

00:24:10.76
Gareth Flavell: can't remember.

00:24:12.10
Ricky: Okay. So you've done your homework of your five serial killers.

00:24:16.79
Gareth Flavell: Oh, yeah, no, I haven't.

00:24:17.34
Ricky: ah ah It's fine.

00:24:19.67
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:24:20.70
Ricky: It's fine. um

00:24:22.36
Gareth Flavell: ah My favourite one's Dennis Nilsson. He's good.

00:24:24.82
Ricky: Right, okay. Well, it it it won't um it won't surprise you that he is in the rankings today.

00:24:31.22
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:24:32.15
Ricky: course he is. Of course he is. Now, before we get into this, right, serial killer, the definition, a serial killer is typically defined as an individual who murders three or more people over a period of more than a month,

00:24:47.51
Ricky: with a cooling off period between each event. These murders are usually separate events driven by psychological motives such as thrill-seeking anger or a need for power and control. I quite like the bit that a cooling off period. Not a serial killer if there isn't a cooling off period.

00:25:07.10
Ricky: ah Just, you know, to gather your thoughts about what you did. Go again, because you enjoyed it.

00:25:11.67
Gareth Flavell: Why haven't we got one at the moment?

00:25:14.30
Ricky: Well, I mean, that that we I do answer that ah later on in the pod.

00:25:17.90
Gareth Flavell: All right.

00:25:19.45
Ricky: I mean, I don't answer, but we will discuss it. But I do need to, I have to chat to you about some ground rules here.

00:25:28.00
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

00:25:28.34
Ricky: Because um I know this is serious content, right? um We need to do it properly and we need to have respect for it. Does… the timeline matter to you when it was committed.

00:25:41.69
Ricky: What I'm talking about is Victorian era England or modern day.

00:25:46.04
Gareth Flavell: ah Yeah, it's got me one day to interest me, really. Like,

00:25:50.33
Ricky: Right. Okay. Right. Okay. I see. Yeah.

00:25:52.82
Gareth Flavell: jack Jack Ripper is it's just too long ago and like I don't even know if it actually happened.

00:25:59.82
Ricky: Right.

00:25:59.91
Gareth Flavell: I know people say it happened but could just made it up.

00:26:01.21
Ricky: Yeah. Right. Okay. So the waiting is on modern day. Right.

00:26:06.36
Gareth Flavell: Up for me. Yeah, if I'm rank the ranking if i'm ranking them, yeah.

00:26:07.13
Ricky: Right. Sure. Okay, that no, that's this good to know. i know

00:26:11.62
Gareth Flavell: I'd even go like as far back as like the 70s is a bit. I want

00:26:15.32
Ricky: ah Okay, no, no, you've got to say 60s.

00:26:18.56
Gareth Flavell: 60s. Why?

00:26:19.10
Ricky: Because everything, anything that happens, 60 plus matters in life, anything.

00:26:19.16
Gareth Flavell: Why?

00:26:25.10
Ricky: Respectfully, you know, Beatles, Tottenham winning trophies. um What about amount of dead bodies?

00:26:39.83
Gareth Flavell: If it's too much, less interesting. Like Shipman, 200 payments, 200 patients, killed. And he was just sort of, was he finishing off oldies?

00:26:51.61
Ricky: Well, I mean, that's 200, though.

00:26:52.76
Gareth Flavell: All right. I know, but he's not he's got to be…

00:26:55.37
Ricky: Oddie count is fucking that mad.

00:26:56.80
Gareth Flavell: He didn't stab anyone, did he? That's the thing. he didn't like

00:27:00.28
Ricky: Well, the syringe, maybe.

00:27:00.25
Gareth Flavell: He didn't… in ah i know i know i know that Shipman is like the guy.

00:27:03.13
Ricky: okay, no, no.

00:27:07.51
Gareth Flavell: you know He's done the most. But it's almost like he was doing him… ah don't know. I just felt like… If if we're thinking of serial killer, you're thinking of like violent death.

00:27:13.46
Ricky: Public service or something. Right, okay. Okay. Right, okay. And um what about, so if we're talking about body counts, what about alleged the conviction?

00:27:28.31
Ricky: We've got…

00:27:28.36
Gareth Flavell: Alleged is fine because you know you've got them.

00:27:28.46
Ricky: a come Yeah, and alleged, I think we can assume that they fucking did it.

00:27:30.34
Gareth Flavell: He's got them on there.

00:27:34.11
Ricky: Let's let's not be let's not beat around the bushes.

00:27:36.12
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:27:36.55
Ricky: Let's not be silly about this, right? And the waiting is, well, how gruesome. What about if it's like a gun to the back of the head in comparison to…

00:27:44.31
Gareth Flavell: No, guns. It's got be knives. Yeah.

00:27:46.44
Ricky: Knives. Oh, right. Knives. Yeah, knives are…

00:27:48.62
Gareth Flavell: Like, are we talking about UK or are we going into the US?

00:27:49.40
Ricky: Yeah, they're pretty certain, eh?

00:27:53.40
Ricky: British. British. No, I'm not fucking American.

00:27:55.26
Gareth Flavell: Because ours are shit compared to theirs.

00:27:55.97
Ricky: Oh, well, you just… You wait.

00:28:00.24
Gareth Flavell: Alright.

00:28:00.38
Ricky: Just you wait. And then, ah finally, the… um

00:28:07.06
Ricky: Kind of a… If it's sex, kidnapping, children…

00:28:12.47
Gareth Flavell: and There's always sex involved isn't there juotypically but typically but yeah much worse of your child obviously.

00:28:14.17
Ricky: the Yeah. Does it make it worse if it's child? Right. Okay. What about child and sex?

00:28:22.50
Gareth Flavell: Of course that's like the worst of both of of everything.

00:28:24.60
Ricky: Right.

00:28:24.56
Gareth Flavell: okay.

00:28:24.88
Ricky: Okay. I just need to understand the weight in, right?

00:28:27.29
Gareth Flavell: okay okay

00:28:28.06
Ricky: Okay. And do they get, I'm not going to say extra points because, you know, we're not actually scoring, but if there was a nickname, you know, the Yorkshire Ripper,

00:28:31.04
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:28:41.62
Ricky: Something like that. but Does that that hold any weight in the conversation?

00:28:47.00
Gareth Flavell: I think so. I would imagine. I mean, in some sort of nickname. and ah Sometimes I find it really confusing, like nicknames and and stuff.

00:28:57.40
Gareth Flavell: Like, she was like, what's her name?

00:28:59.06
Ricky: Yeah.

00:29:00.46
Gareth Flavell: What's her name? Foxy Noxy.

00:29:03.22
Ricky: okay

00:29:04.22
Gareth Flavell: Like, she they thought they murdered Meredith Kutcher.

00:29:08.12
Ricky: yeah

00:29:09.56
Gareth Flavell: But the paper's called her Foxy Noxy. And I know that's kind of something that she referred to herself, I think. And they ran with it. But why run with it? It's weird. I always thought that was really weird. Like she's talking about murdering someone and you've given her like a playful name.

00:29:22.16
Gareth Flavell: I've

00:29:23.00
Ricky: Yeah, i

00:29:25.40
Gareth Flavell: always struggled with that.

00:29:26.42
Ricky: Yeah, that was weird. That was very weird.

00:29:28.82
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:29.82
Ricky: um We will… I mean, we'll do we'll do an American one after. oh Actually, I do want to get… like Do you think… um

00:29:39.38
Ricky: American serial, like murderers, and American serial killers are glamorized more than that.

00:29:42.33
Gareth Flavell: better yeah yeah

00:29:44.20
Ricky: like Like Britain, it's like fucking cold November rainy day and you've juked them up at a bus stop. And America, it's like they've got shades on, they're sitting in the car the coffee and…

00:29:56.98
Gareth Flavell: yeah you're like Dahmer's my favourite Jeffrey Dahmer yeah Bundy was like he had loads didn't and didn't women loved him as well didn't they

00:29:58.55
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. No, Bundy. Bundy is fucking…

00:30:06.68
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:09.33
Gareth Flavell: I'd known… ah and And wasn't he known, Ted Bundy? He was like a public personality.

00:30:16.14
Ricky: don't know, actually.

00:30:18.79
Gareth Flavell: I think he was…

00:30:18.93
Ricky: I don't know. He's fucking, yeah. ted but yeah I think for, like, I've got hold myself here. But Ted Bundy is, like, for me, the he's he's the one. He's the one. Do you think, like, our kind of, like, Netflix generation of this kind of dramatised documentary, Ed Gein, all these other bods,

00:30:44.50
Ricky: That it's kind of um trivialized it entertainment rather than fucking…

00:30:49.59
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's fascinating, right? Obviously, death and people that take people's lives has always been like, you can't help but not but but but but be interested and and by it.

00:31:00.47
Ricky: o

00:31:01.77
Gareth Flavell: And the monster series that Netflix are doing, they've done Dharma, they've done Hello, Dear Mother… What's his name? Gein.

00:31:09.84
Ricky: Ed Gein.

00:31:10.87
Gareth Flavell: um is so well put together, those those programs, that in some…

00:31:15.26
Ricky: Yeah.

00:31:17.60
Gareth Flavell: I wouldn't say glamorizes it, but you get kind of access. It is so well made and so real that you kind of get access into the way that it's almost like explains why they became what they became.

00:31:26.53
Ricky: Hmm.

00:31:35.99
Gareth Flavell: Which is fascinating, right? But Ed Gein had the really weird relationship with the mother and with sex and and ah went through lots when he was a kid. And then and it talks about the aftermath of of his killing spree when he was in hospital and how the manipulation continued, especially of women.

00:31:56.54
Gareth Flavell: And how people would message him all the time. Or women would message him. What is it with women's obsession with with with these things? Like my step-mom and my ex-girlfriend would would always talk about and want to watch things about murders.

00:32:11.67
Ricky: Yeah.

00:32:14.49
Gareth Flavell: Maybe because it's so scary.

00:32:14.75
Ricky: I

00:32:15.80
Gareth Flavell: And obviously women are more vulnerable physically.

00:32:18.39
Ricky: so i think it's just quite interesting, isn't it? Trying to understand where people and why people have done it. It's like the main thing of why people fucking go down these alleys.

00:32:30.18
Ricky: Right. we've got We've got a lot of, we've got some good solid British guys to go through. Guys and girls, actually. I am going to start off with the the icon of this.

00:32:36.85
Gareth Flavell: Yep.

00:32:41.12
Ricky: the the The one who sits at the top of the chain as in time with Jack the Ripper. five victims, ah the unidentified Victorian killer who murdered five women in London in 1888. It's the, um he did that.

00:33:01.40
Ricky: He sent like clues and letters to the police. And also he had such a way with a knife that he was able to kind of cut all their organs out and display them and display their bodies in a way that was just…

00:33:21.14
Gareth Flavell: Maybe he was, are you saying he might be a doctor or a surgeon or a butcher?

00:33:24.99
Ricky: Or a butcher. Yeah. And don't you think it's mental how no one knows who it is? Those five killings happen and then, boom, stopped.

00:33:35.61
Gareth Flavell: was it So the films that been made about him suggest that he had some sort of political leaning. He might have been a political figure as well or a surgeon or someone like that. He was known publicly. that's that That was in films and stuff. I think you've seen, what was that one where Johnny Depp played a detective?

00:33:53.21
Gareth Flavell: And that was what he was alluded to in that.

00:33:55.10
Ricky: Right.

00:33:56.15
Gareth Flavell: um But, yeah, it was always prostitutes as well, wasn't it? Yeah.

00:34:01.69
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah. this That's a very common theme. Poor prozies.

00:34:05.05
Gareth Flavell: They never caught him.

00:34:05.98
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

00:34:06.87
Gareth Flavell: I suppose it's because they're kind of seen as on the fringes of society. that they're like like they're They're less likely to be seen or publicly or be missed, perhaps.

00:34:13.88
Ricky: Yeah.

00:34:16.89
Ricky: Yeah.

00:34:17.85
Gareth Flavell: And also, they're more vulnerable and they're selling there's always just generally like a sexual element to it.

00:34:19.16
Ricky: but More vulnerable.

00:34:24.99
Gareth Flavell: And the fact that they're selling telling their bodies, maybe that's what's attractive. I don't know. That's what seems to be alluded to in my pseudo psychology I'm going for here.

00:34:32.09
Ricky: Yeah. back Back in the day, police didn't really care for prostitutes.

00:34:36.62
Gareth Flavell: prostitute in the I did, I did, I never did it in the, in the, um I went to the London dungeon and they did a big thing about Jack the Ripper then.

00:34:36.96
Ricky: Yeah. as the It was kind of their own law. But, you know… um But when we spoke before, the Victorian era wasn't really your kind of, didn't didn't whet your appetite. Jack the Ripper. I always wanted to do a Jack the Ripper tour.

00:35:01.78
Ricky: Any good?

00:35:01.72
Gareth Flavell: That was quite good when I was a kid. always found London dungeon a weird thing. Have you been?

00:35:05.56
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah, have. Yeah, yeah.

00:35:07.06
Gareth Flavell: Miserable.

00:35:07.90
Ricky: Yeah.

00:35:08.53
Gareth Flavell: Absolutely miserable in there. It's like I've got all these sort wax mannequins that move that are being tortured and stuff.

00:35:14.65
Ricky: yeah i've never i've been to london dungeon but i've never been to the actual um so london london dungeon's the actual museum yeah london bridge i've not been i've not been there you know where the you know the two is it kings that were buried there whatever and all everything else that's fucking museum yeah tourist attraction but not to the actual

00:35:14.95
Gareth Flavell: And I'm like, what's the appeal

00:35:23.25
Gareth Flavell: here? It's in London Bridge.

00:35:34.10
Gareth Flavell: what You've been into the London Dungeon tourist attraction.

00:35:39.90
Gareth Flavell: Oh, Dennis Nilsson.

00:35:42.04
Ricky: No, I'd like to do that, actually. Right, okay, so… We'll get into…

00:35:49.37
Gareth Flavell: so Why not talk about him now? what what do have to Is he number one for you?

00:35:51.85
Ricky: Because… he's He's not, no.

00:35:55.39
Gareth Flavell: ay

00:35:55.93
Ricky: He's not. ah so Let me just get these these couple of little ones out the way.

00:35:56.72
Gareth Flavell: He's number one. Well, number one for me.

00:35:59.81
Ricky: So we've got Marianne Cotton, 21 victims, Victorian era, poisoned fucking everyone, right? I don't really know that name. So she is, unfortunately, I'm going to discount her.

00:36:11.13
Ricky: Amelia Dyer. She was known as the baby farmer, believed to have killed dozens, potentially hundreds of children in her care. And we've got a more modern day.

00:36:23.66
Gareth Flavell: Dennis Nielsen.

00:36:24.66
Ricky: no No, he's coming. Don't you worry about him. ah Beverly Allit, four victims, a nurse who killed four children in her care in 1991 and later on confessed to 11 murders.

00:36:42.36
Ricky: Right. This one.

00:36:43.51
Gareth Flavell: Is.

00:36:44.21
Ricky: i know this one.

00:36:45.12
Gareth Flavell: No.

00:36:46.93
Ricky: i i Do you remember this one? So ah Joanna Dennehy.

00:36:51.13
Gareth Flavell: no

00:36:52.41
Ricky: She stabbed and killed three men, attempted to kill another two and wanted to do nine like Bonnie and Clyde. She was known as the Peterborough Ditch Murderer.

00:37:05.88
Ricky: In court, she was laughing and confessed, she saying she wanted people to see her fun. Killing is more-ish. She only did it to male victims. Wouldn't do it to any ah women or especially women with children. But she fucking just bowled about knifing people and then throwing them in ditches.

00:37:27.22
Gareth Flavell: there was There was one, was that is that in America?

00:37:30.33
Ricky: No, no, is it?

00:37:30.73
Gareth Flavell: Peterborough?

00:37:30.89
Ricky: No, so all of it. it's All of it's Britain.

00:37:33.02
Gareth Flavell: Imagine sort of bowling around Peterborough of all places and then just getting murdered.

00:37:35.73
Ricky: Yeah.

00:37:36.78
Gareth Flavell: but

00:37:37.05
Ricky: Out walking your dog. Out walking Frank. And that's it. Excuse me, mate.

00:37:40.02
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:37:40.66
Ricky: You got the time? Yeah, it's quarter bus.

00:37:41.60
Gareth Flavell: But…

00:37:42.94
Ricky: Bosh! Fuck.

00:37:43.84
Gareth Flavell: And that's…

00:37:45.80
Ricky: Why have you done that? Bosh! Another one. Did you find it funny? Right. Now we're getting into, we're starting to go into a bit more choppy waters here.

00:37:54.80
Gareth Flavell: Dennis Nilsson.

00:37:57.92
Ricky: Levi Belfield.

00:38:00.21
Gareth Flavell: Oh, I don't like that one. He killed Millie Downing, didn't he?

00:38:03.00
Ricky: Fucking excellent. Good knowledge. Good knowledge. Well done. Well done.

00:38:07.38
Gareth Flavell: I mean, it it was it was when I was in my 20s and that.

00:38:09.98
Ricky: Yeah, it was big, wasn't it?

00:38:10.65
Gareth Flavell: and are ah But wasn't a lot of the phone tapping stuff that happened in the media on and off the back of that case that they'd… Basically, these journalists that have been fucking tapping her phone to find out what happened in the run-up to her being murdered.

00:38:22.72
Ricky: Yeah.

00:38:25.78
Ricky: Yeah.

00:38:26.47
Gareth Flavell: Voicemails and shit like that. That is… And then that was the downfall of News of the World, which is a Sunday newspaper we had in England.

00:38:32.98
Ricky: Yeah.

00:38:33.24
Gareth Flavell: It was dismantled. And I mean, it wasn't really taken away because they just rebranded it, The Sun on Sunday. But yeah, News of the World was the Sunday version of The Sun. So and in back in the… it Well, still to this day… You have your newspapers all through the week. And on Sunday, you have a bigger version of the newspaper. So traditionally in England, the Sunday newspaper was quite important.

00:38:55.96
Gareth Flavell: And you would sit down, you would read before the advent of the internet.

00:38:59.49
Ricky: Nightmare for paper, boys.

00:39:01.14
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it was indeed. um And the snoozer of the world was the scummiest version of all of those. It was essentially the you know tabloid newspaper in the most extreme.

00:39:07.42
Ricky: Yeah.

00:39:11.61
Gareth Flavell: And they tapped Millie Downing's phone along with many, and as it transpired, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of phone calls, phones, of celebrities, everything, to get information on a girl that had been murdered.

00:39:18.65
Ricky: Yeah.

00:39:23.08
Gareth Flavell: type what What kind of fucking rat does that?

00:39:26.39
Ricky: Yeah, that is grim.

00:39:26.46
Gareth Flavell: um So, but he was, um he I thought he just did one. Was he, he killed more?

00:39:31.19
Ricky: three three Three plus victims…

00:39:33.30
Gareth Flavell: And all girls?

00:39:34.66
Ricky: Convicted of murdering Millie Dowler, Marsha McDonnell, and Amelie De La Grange, I think her name is.

00:39:36.92
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:39:43.26
Ricky: Serial killer, sex offender, now goes by the name of Yusuf Rahman. Rahim. Yusuf Rahim, I think.

00:39:51.44
Gareth Flavell: Well, he's converted to Islam.

00:39:53.11
Ricky: He has, yeah. He, prior to that, kidnapper, murderer. He's like a bus stop traditional…

00:40:04.12
Ricky: see younger a young girl, a bus stop, bundler in the car, killer, chuck her in the woods. But that was a big one when we were growing up, wasn't it? That was like…

00:40:11.73
Gareth Flavell: there was yeah because i don't remember the other girls and I thought it was just Millie Dowling which is um

00:40:21.22
Gareth Flavell: which is yeah miss yeah terrible already no let's go you know why like Dennis Nilsson are we can we start with him or is he not

00:40:24.21
Ricky: Right, now we we are… um This is… Yeah, this is this is this is the big stuff here. Right, okay, why? No, he's not. Not yet.

00:40:34.42
Gareth Flavell: All right,

00:40:34.85
Ricky: Not yet. Yeah. Is that Ian Brady and Myra Hindley's music? By God! do do egg comes the Moors murderers.

00:40:47.80
Gareth Flavell: What was the deal with them then?

00:40:47.93
Ricky: That was…

00:40:48.96
Gareth Flavell: I remember Ian Brady and Myra Hindley were kind of the most famous until Fred i mean until fred West turned up.

00:40:54.10
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:40:57.56
Gareth Flavell: but Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Brady, those were the big ones when we were growing up.

00:40:57.86
Ricky: Okay. Okay.

00:41:02.52
Ricky: Yeah, they were. And with the Moors Roaders, so kidnapped and killed five children in the 1960s, buried them on Saddleworth Moor.

00:41:13.69
Ricky: At least four were sexually assaulted and dubbed the most evil woman in Britain, Myra Hindley was.

00:41:17.14
Gareth Flavell: Fucking hell.

00:41:22.17
Gareth Flavell: That was it, it wasn't it? There's a female that's involved.

00:41:24.44
Ricky: Yeah. ah what And the but case was so famous because the police failures, media frenzy, and the fear affecting women across the country and crimes against children. The public fucking loathe them. Now, when I say the public loathe them, obviously they're murderers, but these guys, like they were, when I was growing up, ah even though it wass like kind of like 40, 50 years later, like it was still in my head about…

00:41:52.86
Ricky: the Moors murderers and Myra Hindley, Ian Brady. So they're, you know, they've got five to their name. There's probably more, but it's children again and sexual stuff.

00:42:02.99
Gareth Flavell: What? Your children's fucking fucked, man. Like, what is wrong with them? um And that's it. It's, like, fascinating to figure out what's gone on in their brains to the point where they normalise this, where they can do it.

00:42:10.07
Ricky: Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:14.71
Ricky: Yeah.

00:42:16.34
Gareth Flavell: um it always used to I used to live in Holloway, and um it would always sort of blow my mind. that there was Holloway is a famous female prison and any any anyone who's done anything really bad would probably spend time in Holloway prison and just always used to look at when I used drive down the um the road from Camden and just think like there's like when was a kid and that like hidden to me could be in there and others

00:42:30.30
Ricky: Yeah.

00:42:35.13
Ricky: Yeah.

00:42:46.56
Ricky: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's mad, isn't it

00:42:48.89
Gareth Flavell: yeah crazy

00:42:49.46
Ricky: Would you ever want to go in one? Like maximum security prison just to…

00:42:53.66
Gareth Flavell: you Have a little look. Yeah, wouldn't mind.

00:42:54.86
Ricky: Would

00:42:55.45
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, have a little look.

00:42:57.25
Ricky: We've got one in Milton Keynes, Woodhill.

00:42:59.03
Gareth Flavell: maxim Maximum.

00:43:00.18
Ricky: Maximum, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

00:43:01.59
Gareth Flavell: Really?

00:43:01.69
Ricky: Cat A, yeah.

00:43:02.85
Gareth Flavell: Oh, mate. Terrible.

00:43:03.38
Ricky: Yeah, there's some been some fucking absolute wrong-uns in there.

00:43:04.41
Gareth Flavell: we ah We've got what? what we We've got Earl Stoke Prison, but it's a cat's seat.

00:43:12.57
Ricky: Oh, so that what they could climb over the fence and get you?

00:43:15.91
Gareth Flavell: I bet they're only in for like fraud and that, so I don't think they will i don't mean they could get me even if they wanted to.

00:43:20.92
Ricky: Oh, they just got run up to you and say, what's your bank details?

00:43:21.25
Gareth Flavell: I bet not.

00:43:23.90
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it's nothing violent.

00:43:24.00
Ricky: And you tell them and then you fraud it up. Nightmare.

00:43:27.16
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:43:27.35
Ricky: ah ah ah By the way, if anyone is listening and can hear a gentle hum in the background, some dickhead has decided to cut their grass. I mean, it is 11 o'clock on a Friday.

00:43:40.02
Ricky: So, know, there are. that's good.

00:43:41.08
Gareth Flavell: I can't hear it, so they won't be able to.

00:43:41.41
Ricky: Can interest you in Lucy Letby?

00:43:43.28
Gareth Flavell: I wouldn't know.

00:43:45.98
Ricky: can i interest you in lucy letby

00:43:51.99
Gareth Flavell: Interesting.

00:43:53.11
Ricky: kind Like, where where where does she figure?

00:43:54.06
Gareth Flavell: It's quite… what isn't it like what's What's she been accused of?

00:43:56.33
Ricky: Is she a serial killer? which is Is that classed? Right. A neonatal nurse found guilty in 2023 of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others, making her one of the most prolific child serial killers in modern British history.

00:44:17.88
Ricky: So by the kind of, know, by the letter of the law of serial killer, that would put her in this category. Seven victims, probably more.

00:44:26.54
Gareth Flavell: But she, and and yeah, but there is isn't there some controversy around how she was convicted? and and

00:44:32.15
Ricky: Yes. Yeah, I'm glad you're glad you picked up on that.

00:44:34.99
Gareth Flavell: Well, it's all over the news in the last couple of years, isn't it? so

00:44:37.72
Ricky: they still They still, I think, I believe it's still ongoing. And there was quite a recent bit of media.

00:44:40.44
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. What is it? Do you know?

00:44:43.70
Ricky: No, I don't. i think it's good.

00:44:45.48
Gareth Flavell: Luckily, I've got it here. The case became one of the most high-profile criminal trials in modern British history because the victims were newborn babies in a neonatal unit and because prosecutors argued she deliberately harmed infants in different ways while working hospital shifts.

00:45:01.15
Gareth Flavell: Since the conviction, there has been a public debate and a media discussion about the medical evidence and safety of the convictions. Some doctors, statisticians and commentators have questioned aspects of the prosecution's case, while courts have so far upheld the convictions.

00:45:15.78
Gareth Flavell: As of now, legally, she remains convicted.

00:45:19.86
Ricky: Oh, fuck. So, right.

00:45:21.27
Gareth Flavell: But I think it's an ongoing, i think it might be…

00:45:23.74
Ricky: I don't think she gets away from that. i think she I think she's pretty much nailed the cross on that one. But yeah, I mean, it's like, as in, ah for the waiting, there was no knives. There's no, you know, it's quite a, again, it's kind of like Shipman, wasn't it? Where she was like over drugging or doing stuff like that, I believe.

00:45:42.81
Ricky: Um, like injecting air into veins and stuff or something weird like that she was doing. um

00:45:49.85
Gareth Flavell: um

00:45:51.22
Ricky: which, ah you know, it's horrendous, horrendous stuff.

00:45:51.51
Gareth Flavell: Well, it was just, yeah.

00:45:56.38
Gareth Flavell: so but says It says some doctors and experts have argued that several of the babies were already extremely premature or critically ill and infections, pooralll poor care, natural complications or underlying conditions could explain similar of the deaths and collapses.

00:46:12.86
Gareth Flavell: um Critics have focused on disagreements between medical experts. Some say the prosecution experts interpreted events as deliberate harm where ah when there may not have been clear scientific proof.

00:46:26.78
Gareth Flavell: A major part of suspicion came from Lucy Letby being present present during many incidents. Some s statisticians and commentators warn that coincidence alone sometimes looks suspicious in hospitals where staff work many shifts and they argue courts should be careful about pattern evidence.

00:46:45.24
Ricky: Oh, okay. I mean, that's interesting, isn't Like, so she's the full guy because she's been working shifts and she's been present at most of these.

00:46:59.74
Ricky: I mean, that is like…

00:47:01.69
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, but they're saying it's not evidence. it's code it's it's

00:47:04.60
Ricky: Yeah.

00:47:05.54
Gareth Flavell: It's coincidental, potentially.

00:47:07.16
Ricky: Right, okay, shit. And some of them could have been the children were ill anyway and it was just bad… Healthcare care and stuff. I mean, that is, that is yeah, that's fucking choppy waters there. um We are going to go on to my favourite, not your favourite.

00:47:23.35
Gareth Flavell: Dennis knows…

00:47:27.38
Ricky: It's the Wests. Fred and Rosemary Wests.

00:47:30.49
Gareth Flavell: He had such a weird looking face, didn't he?

00:47:32.68
Ricky: Mate, he was so, he's so, for both of them, the pair of them, just by looking at their photos, you knew they were out to no good in Gloucester.

00:47:33.24
Gareth Flavell: i

00:47:40.36
Ricky: You fucking knew it.

00:47:42.26
Gareth Flavell: You know there's that famous picture.

00:47:44.28
Ricky: Yes.

00:47:44.78
Gareth Flavell: He just looks evil, doesn't he?

00:47:46.04
Ricky: Yeah, yeah. Ten plus victims we're talking about here. The couple murdered at least ten women and girls, including family members, at their home in Gloucester. The crimes included rape,

00:48:01.99
Ricky: bondage, torture, mutilation. The victims' bodies were dismembered and typically buried in the cellar or garden of the West Residence in Gloucester, which became known as the House of Horrors.

00:48:17.24
Gareth Flavell: Roswell. the Yeah.

00:48:19.34
Ricky: Horrors.

00:48:19.58
Gareth Flavell: Summit Gardens. Roswell Gardens.

00:48:22.46
Ricky: What were they?

00:48:23.05
Gareth Flavell: 47.

00:48:23.67
Ricky: ah Oh, was it? thought it was Cromwell Street.

00:48:26.20
Gareth Flavell: Cromwell. Cromwell Street.

00:48:27.10
Ricky: Right, okay.

00:48:27.20
Gareth Flavell: That's it. Yeah.

00:48:28.98
Ricky: um Actually, Fred was convicted of ah previous to any of this ABH, child molestation, deception, indecent assault, possession of stolen goods, theft and unpaid fines.

00:48:44.73
Ricky: ah Rose, after their second child, became a prostitute. and used to conduct service in the second bedroom at the top floor of their home.

00:48:56.63
Ricky: So not a happy home life, as you can imagine, but this was one of those, you know, when you just hear news stories about um things that live on in your mind, and I remember them doing their kind of air excavation work.

00:49:14.39
Ricky: I believe I do. And, um, you know, when they're digging in the garden, they're finding more bodies under the patio. Um, in the, I think one was found in the chimney, in the chimney breast, like just pushed up into the chimney. This is their own children.

00:49:31.74
Ricky: This is fucking, this is, I remember thinking this is the most insane thing I think I've ever heard.

00:49:32.82
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:49:38.66
Ricky: Yeah,

00:49:39.38
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, it was mental. And I found them under the, in the patio. Yeah.

00:49:44.02
Ricky: yeah, yeah. yeah Yeah, patio dogs. im Fucking…

00:49:48.76
Gareth Flavell: It says here that many of his Fred West crimes involved dominant like so that basically criminologists and psychologists point to a combination of factors that are likely contributed to his crimes.

00:49:51.86
Ricky: Yeah.

00:50:00.60
Gareth Flavell: Many of his crimes involved domination, torture, humiliation and violence.

00:50:05.48
Ricky: Ugh.

00:50:05.50
Gareth Flavell: and investigations believed he derived a gratification from power and control over his victims. but so ah what West grew up in ah in a deeply troubled environment marked by abuse, neglect and disturbing family dynamic dynamics.

00:50:21.78
Gareth Flavell: While most abused people never commit violent crimes, severe early trauma can contribute to distorted behaviour and emotional development.

00:50:29.52
Ricky: Oh, well, so West is, her yeah, it's fucking very grim.

00:50:31.48
Gareth Flavell: Pretty grim.

00:50:35.58
Ricky: so I mean, so for for me, that is, that's what that's I'm going to say that's my my ah number one for me. Moving on to the next one. Who is it?

00:50:46.72
Gareth Flavell: Dennis Nelson.

00:50:47.65
Ricky: No.

00:50:48.28
Gareth Flavell: ah

00:50:48.63
Ricky: yeah ah It's the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe. Peter, 13 victims. thirteen victims So he's outdone Fred here.

00:51:01.85
Ricky: and Rosemary, convicted in 1981 for murdering 13 women and attempting to kill seven others in Northern England. The search for Sutcliffe was one of the largest and most expensive manhunts in British history. West Yorkshire police faced severe criticism for their failure to catch Sutcliffe, despite having interviewed him nine times in the course of their five-year investigation.

00:51:27.96
Ricky: That's embarrassing.

00:51:28.04
Gareth Flavell: Blimey. Yeah.

00:51:31.04
Ricky: Interviewed nine times. Still couldn't get him. That is like… And as well, the name, the Yorkshire Ripper, modelled after fucking Jack.

00:51:41.72
Ricky: That is…

00:51:42.62
Gareth Flavell: He… Did he… um it He… It was just prostitutes for him, wasn't it?

00:51:48.22
Ricky: um

00:51:48.34
Gareth Flavell: Or not?

00:51:49.59
Ricky: it says here 13 women attempted to kill seven.

00:51:49.91
Gareth Flavell: Not just… but

00:51:52.99
Ricky: i Yeah, he did. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Yeah. He was one. He was the gentleman that I think he was a local area and then moved to the red light districts because of the vulnerability and the way that police looked at um prostitutes back then.

00:52:09.40
Ricky: But yeah, he's, um I mean, 13 victims is that's, that is, that's a lot.

00:52:15.27
Gareth Flavell: It's mental. Let's talk about Dennis Nilsson.

00:52:18.01
Ricky: Do you know who the next one is?

00:52:19.19
Gareth Flavell: Dennis Nilsson.

00:52:20.83
Ricky: Dennis Nielsen.

00:52:22.12
Gareth Flavell: Do you know why I'm like not obsessed with him, but sort of interested in him? Because it happened in Muswell Hill where, and I would walk past his house and the house still stands.

00:52:27.96
Ricky: Yeah.

00:52:32.59
Ricky: Yeah.

00:52:33.37
Gareth Flavell: and people live in that house now, but he killed like 25, no, it was about 15 men.

00:52:35.74
Ricky: Oh my God.

00:52:39.07
Ricky: 15 fit so uh dennis nelson civil servant who killed at least 15 young men and boys in between london in london between 1978 and 1983 um he's also necrophile

00:52:56.34
Gareth Flavell: So you'd have sex with the but but bodies or,

00:52:58.49
Ricky: dead bodies yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah loved it

00:52:59.77
Gareth Flavell: hey he um So it happened yeah near where I lived. And the fact that what's mental about it is that this street is just a terraced street.

00:53:11.03
Ricky: o

00:53:11.40
Gareth Flavell: So there was just hundreds of houses on this one street. It's a very long street in Muswell Hill around the back of it. And to walk from one end to the other on this single street would probably be about 10, 15 minutes.

00:53:22.54
Ricky: Fuck!

00:53:22.64
Gareth Flavell: And it's long and winding.

00:53:24.54
Ricky: Right.

00:53:24.66
Gareth Flavell: And there were just houses everywhere.

00:53:26.87
Ricky: Yeah.

00:53:27.03
Gareth Flavell: And the fact that he'd managed to get as many people into the house, kill them and dismember them and keep the parts for so long without being discovered, just fucking blew my mind.

00:53:33.88
Ricky: Yeah.

00:53:39.36
Gareth Flavell: Like people are in the house next door, enjoying their lives, going to sleep and the next door is… just carnage and he got caught because he was flashing body parts down the toilet and it clogged up the drains and they they they sent in a rentacle like a rentacle like a you know these drain clearage company but yeah one of them and they just found chunks of flesh in the in the um in in the sewage and then obviously at that point they they they found body parts but it worked for a long long time And if you haven't seen, there's a brilliant dramatization of this with Robert, no, what's his name?

00:53:45.27
Ricky: Yeah.

00:53:50.84
Ricky: Yeah. don I think it's Dinerod. Yeah.

00:54:16.18
Ricky: Yeah.

00:54:21.54
Gareth Flavell: Doctor Who.

00:54:23.46
Ricky: Uh, uh, Tennant.

00:54:23.54
Gareth Flavell: Neil, no, what's it? Dave Tennant or Neil Tennant?

00:54:26.88
Ricky: I can't, we're doing Petshop boys, isn aren't we? Neil Tennant.

00:54:29.27
Gareth Flavell: and Neil Tennant, yeah, David Tennant.

00:54:31.35
Ricky: Yeah.

00:54:32.89
Gareth Flavell: Neil Tennant is Pet Shop Boys, isn't

00:54:34.09
Ricky: Yeah.

00:54:35.45
Gareth Flavell: And because they because he looks a bit like him,

00:54:39.00
Ricky: Yeah.

00:54:39.64
Gareth Flavell: And when they when he when he's in character, it looks almost identical to dent how Dennis Nilsen looks in in real life.

00:54:46.87
Ricky: It was great. It it was, a yeah, it was great.

00:54:48.73
Gareth Flavell: was good one.

00:54:50.42
Ricky: And when the plumbers um were found that what they described as, it looked like human flesh and bones, Nilsson was there and he said, I think someone has tried to flush KFC down the toilet.

00:55:09.42
Ricky: And that's what that is.

00:55:11.19
Gareth Flavell: that where Is that a Howie?

00:55:11.80
Ricky: that Yeah. Yeah. And then they were like, hmm.

00:55:15.31
Gareth Flavell: Did he say KFC, was it? It was chicken.

00:55:16.82
Ricky: Yeah. well Well, I think he said KFC.

00:55:19.54
Gareth Flavell: Oh.

00:55:20.50
Ricky: ah well a Or, yeah. I don't know.

00:55:23.60
Gareth Flavell: It's definitely cooked chicken.

00:55:23.78
Ricky: i so Yeah, definitely cooked chicken. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:27.00
Gareth Flavell: Yeah. Yeah,

00:55:27.45
Ricky: But, um yeah, and then obviously that's how he was caught. 15 victims. That's minimum. And then we get to…

00:55:37.11
Gareth Flavell: there's probably more.

00:55:38.68
Ricky: Oh, 100%. I was reading this account of him and he was his first victim. He was.

00:55:44.92
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, he did say Kentucky Fried Chicken. I just checked. Yeah, he did say that.

00:55:47.74
Ricky: yeah Fucking mad thing to say, isn't His first victim, he went to a pub.

00:55:50.42
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:55:54.57
Ricky: They refused to sell him because sell alcohol to him because he was so drunk. He managed to kind of chat to this 15 year boy 14 year old boy.

00:56:08.22
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:56:08.86
Ricky: because the boy thought he was about 17, said, I'm going to get drinks from the offy, want to come back to my house, went back to his house. They had a night of drinking, listening to music and just chatting.

00:56:22.42
Ricky: They both fell asleep. And Dennis woke up in the morning and saw the boy was still asleep and was like, I want him to stay. I don't want him to go.

00:56:32.73
Ricky: i want i want to keep him here.

00:56:34.52
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:56:35.48
Ricky: So he was like, I'm going to be here around Christmas time. I'm going to be here all on my own. I want the boy to stay for like two weeks over Christmas period.

00:56:46.52
Ricky: Then he just got like a ah tie or something like that, strangulated him and then drowned him in a bucket of water um and then wanked over his body twice and then hid him under the floorboards.

00:56:51.22
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:56:53.78
Gareth Flavell: Jesus.

00:57:04.02
Gareth Flavell: What about the smell?

00:57:05.59
Ricky: ah He was there for eight months. um And then he was like, fuck, it absolutely honks in here.

00:57:13.41
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:57:14.11
Ricky: need to do a little with bonfire in the garden and dash dash this young lad on the bonfire, which is, yeah, i mean, like, yeah.

00:57:15.80
Gareth Flavell: Get rid. Get rid.

00:57:21.91
Gareth Flavell: Think about the smell. You haven't thought about the smell, you bitch.

00:57:23.72
Ricky: good What? What's that? Yeah.

00:57:28.28
Gareth Flavell: That's always sunny in Philadelphia.

00:57:30.01
Ricky: ah ah No one ever thinks about the smell, even with Ted Bundy stuff.

00:57:30.87
Gareth Flavell: big

00:57:34.65
Ricky: Right, we're just going to go to the top Donnie here. Last one.

00:57:38.62
Gareth Flavell: Who is it?

00:57:39.99
Ricky: You know who it is. It's fucking Shippo's.

00:57:41.41
Gareth Flavell: Shippers. Shippers.

00:57:44.01
Ricky: Shipdog. Howard Shipman, 200 plus victims. like Right, Dennis Nielsen is 15 plus. Shipman is 200 plus. Some people even report of 250.

00:57:55.89
Gareth Flavell: man.

00:57:56.28
Ricky: Manchester GP, Shipman was convicted of ah In 2000 of murdering 15 patients, but a 2005 report estimated he killed approximately 250 people, making him one of the most prolific in history.

00:57:57.78
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:58:14.49
Ricky: I mean… Do you think he doesn't get like the credit he, like the the kind of, a not the credit he deserves, as in, no, I'm talking about the the the why he isn't glorified as the the top ah murderer because he was a GP and it was administered drugs.

00:58:20.06
Gareth Flavell: Credit either.

00:58:32.83
Ricky: It wasn't your type of sexual predator, ah knife crime, that type of, it's like you were saying about just prescription drugs and a syringe here and cheer in there.

00:58:33.34
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

00:58:42.39
Gareth Flavell: What was it? what So what was he doing? Were they turning up and then…

00:58:45.46
Ricky: I don't actually know. i like i remember at the time he was saying about… um I remember at the time watching the news story and there was something to do with he was making some of them getting so drugged up and out of it that they were changing their will and putting his name down.

00:59:07.35
Gareth Flavell: Really? Yeah.

00:59:08.12
Ricky: Yeah, but i kind of remember, a lot that's what I remember when this was all kicking off back in the day, that he was getting them to, that they were so out of it that they were changing their will.

00:59:18.43
Ricky: And i was like, but wouldn't surely, like, if these people were dying and like his last 10 patients have left large sums of money to Shipman in a will, wouldn't you kind of think something's going on here?

00:59:33.05
Ricky: You what you know, he wasn't very clever about that, Harold.

00:59:33.37
Gareth Flavell: yeah

00:59:38.42
Gareth Flavell: ah It says, no one can be completely certain why Harold Shipman killed so many people. He never fully confessed or explained himself. Psychologists, investigators and ch criminologists put forward a few theories. Power and control.

00:59:49.82
Gareth Flavell: Many experts think Shipman enjoyed the absolute control he had over life and death. God complex. Some investigators believe he the alert developed a sense that he alone decided who lived and died.

01:00:02.52
Gareth Flavell: and He had some sort of psychopath like psychopathy. Psychopathy.

01:00:07.99
Ricky: I mean, that's fucking crazy. I'm still kind of like, I don't know how he did it. Like, I know he's like, i've like ah like he was prescribing patients with stronger medication than they needed, but I don't understand why.

01:00:13.78
Gareth Flavell: it says surely that's trackable as well oh look he took too much of this type of drug right where did he get the drug the gp all right that's weird we better check might have made a mistake and then it's happened a hundred times um

01:00:35.91
Ricky: I think that's that's how it was found out because so one of the ah like the nurses or someone in the in the practice had to count a sign death certificates and was like, fucking hell, like Shippers has got loads on his desk. a lot Why has he got so many death certificates that I have to count a sign? This can't be coincidence. This is weird.

01:00:56.92
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:00:57.14
Ricky: And I think they tried to investigate him and maybe they did they didn't at first, but then they eventually did.

01:00:57.23
Gareth Flavell: Mm-hmm.

01:01:03.90
Ricky: But I don't ah don't like understand it. Like giving old people like stronger medication than they need that slowly killed them. now what lot i didn' Maybe it's the God complex of what i this is what I can do and no one can stop me.

01:01:17.24
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, he's just like… Yeah, I've said most of his money… It wasn't about money. said, unlike some killers, money does not appear to have been the main motive. He did forge ah a victim's will late in his crimes, but most murders… Most of the murders had no obvious financial benefit.

01:01:32.78
Ricky: I do remember, I remember reading the story as well that um he had bought, they found in his house a specific type of typewriter that types in a font for wills.

01:01:32.84
Gareth Flavell: It's just a nutter.

01:01:43.09
Gareth Flavell: right.

01:01:43.90
Ricky: So I don't know, but I mean, yeah, maybe.

01:01:45.97
Gareth Flavell: I think it might have just been that one case where he was forging a wheel.

01:01:49.06
Ricky: so out of all those, you still, Dennis is your top.

01:01:49.30
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:01:54.14
Gareth Flavell: I mean, yeah, because it was so close. know Every time I walked past the house, I would look look at it and…

01:01:59.62
Ricky: Light candle. a

01:02:00.82
Gareth Flavell: No, but I don't… It would, like… It'd have a weird energy about it.

01:02:04.44
Ricky: yeah

01:02:04.54
Gareth Flavell: I know that's just my mind playing… It's just my mind doing it. I understand that because I know what happened, but it just felt… The air feels thick around that house.

01:02:11.64
Ricky: when when i was a kid i remember a uh someone died in the house you know like very kind of ah children's uh stories and how they get twisted and stuff someone died in a lower ground floor flat there was blood sprayed all up the walls

01:02:21.69
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:02:28.09
Ricky: The person died, but there was no ah mark on this person's body. And no one knows how they died. There was a ah common thing that their eardrums burst and blood sprayed out of their ears all over the walls.

01:02:39.80
Gareth Flavell: ah That's that oh aorta.

01:02:42.01
Ricky: ah Yeah.

01:02:42.92
Gareth Flavell: it Probably a ruptured aorta that came out of the mouth, maybe.

01:02:45.18
Ricky: Yeah, something like that. um But every time when I used to do my paper on it, I'd have to deliver to that house. um so And it used to freak me the fuck out.

01:02:54.49
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, you sort of quickly go in, drop it off, and then then you're out.

01:02:56.49
Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't be pushing the newspaper all the way through the letterbox like I would to everyone else.

01:02:58.92
Gareth Flavell: Hmm.

01:03:03.10
Ricky: Like, just quick jab and then then fucking run for it. ah For me, I'm going to have to go with Fred and Rose because it was their own children and the way they were buried and sex. yeah Everything that kind of came apart for Fred was just fucking absolutely…

01:03:21.28
Ricky: It's so grim. You can't even, ah can't even comprehend how someone is so cruel and callous and troubled and all of that.

01:03:26.55
Gareth Flavell: It's horrible, isn't it?

01:03:29.90
Ricky: So right, there we go. That's, that's the list. Okay.

01:03:33.75
Gareth Flavell: Good.

01:03:33.94
Ricky: um with Good discussion there. We are going to go on something only you know. The topic for next week is the simulation theory.

01:03:41.04
Gareth Flavell: Okay.

01:03:44.92
Ricky: The simulation theory proposes that all reality, including human consciousness and the universe, is an artificial hyper-realistic computer simulation created by an advanced civilization.

01:03:52.28
Gareth Flavell: Interesting.

01:03:58.30
Ricky: Uh, we'll discuss other theories. Uh, there's a lot flying about at the moment, a lot of, ah conspiracy theories, um, how we're all living. and AI plays a part in this.

01:04:09.26
Ricky: Um, but like there is that I've got a few questions that I'd like to have a chat with you about. So if anyone else has any theories they've seen, then send them in and we'll discuss them.

01:04:14.45
Gareth Flavell: right.

01:04:20.59
Ricky: Lads are non pod at gmail.com. And we are going to go into something only, you know,

01:04:32.89
Ricky: Getting shit-faced. I just finished up an adult rec league basketball game. I got in my car and drove home. I sat on my couch, wallowing in my performance and out of shape body, thankful that my girlfriend was at work instead of sitting through my shitty basketball game.

01:04:54.58
Ricky: I love her dearly and even had a pair of underwear customized with her face on them. It only cost me 20 bucks. Decent quality.

01:05:06.07
Ricky: a great buy. She loved it when I wore them. I just drunk a small protein shake. I feel a rumble in my stomach thinking it's just a fart.

01:05:17.69
Ricky: I attempt to let rip. It wasn't just a fart. I had absolutely shat my pants, wet and stinky. I ran into the bathroom, cleaned myself up and threw away the underwear.

01:05:32.54
Ricky: I immediately ordered another pair of the same customized underwear to cover it up. To this day, my sweet girl does not know i shat right on her face.

01:05:44.86
Ricky: And that is something only I know. I mean… we're talking about serial killers here. Who orders underwear with their partner's face on it?

01:05:58.36
Gareth Flavell: Yeah, that is pretty circular energy, yeah.

01:06:00.09
Ricky: I mean, that is like, I understand. And I've even thought about it. The thought has crossed my mind to buy my missus pajamas with the kid's face on it or my or my face on it just for a laugh, just for a little gimmick, you know, present or whatever.

01:06:06.56
Gareth Flavell: Yeah.

01:06:08.89
Gareth Flavell: With your face. Oh, right, yeah, yeah.

01:06:15.54
Ricky: But to buy, and can you imagine wearing boxer shorts with your wife's face on it?

01:06:20.76
Gareth Flavell: No, because I'm not like i'm normal.

01:06:22.94
Ricky: Yeah, exactly.

01:06:25.12
Gareth Flavell: I don't think you should rate it.

01:06:25.62
Ricky: Exactly. no i'd No, no, no, no. It's pretty grim. ah Thank you for that. By the way, everyone else, if you listen to this, something only you know, the the last four have been about people shitting themselves, right? We have run out like people shitting themselves, okay?

01:06:44.41
Ricky: We don't have any more.

01:06:45.21
Gareth Flavell: Maybe it's time. Maybe is it time to um to end?

01:06:47.51
Ricky: Maybe, maybe it might be. that's ah That's absolutely fine. We can do that.

01:06:52.50
Gareth Flavell: m

01:06:52.98
Ricky: So if there's anyone else out there

01:06:54.84
Gareth Flavell: Last call.

01:06:55.80
Ricky: last call for something only you know that you really want to get something off your chest send it into lads and on pod at gmail.com we also have it like you can go to any link in any of our social profiles where there is a anonymous form so you can write it on there send it in there's no location emails or anything registered we'll have no fucking idea who it is So if you're one of the people that are regularly in the DMs that say, I've got something, i need to get it to you. Now is your time to feature on the pod.

01:07:28.15
Ricky: So next week is simulation theory. I've been Ricky. He's been Flav. We hope you have a lovely week.

01:07:36.59
Gareth Flavell: Bye-bye.

01:07:37.30
Ricky: See you later.

01:07:58.60
Ricky: Thank you.